It never fails to amaze me how a collection of tall tales, fables and Semitic posturing has become something we have to discuss ad infinitum. I think the end (or beginning) of this discussion is the basic fact that it's just a bunch of hooey made up by ignorant, iron age people. How much time we're forced to waste on critiquing an essentially worthless set of rules and beliefs that really have no worth other than as control of the masses and a salve for death!
@@dmanson4649 *_Psychological projection_*_ is a defense mechanism in which the ego defends itself against unconscious impulses or qualities (both positive and negative) by denying their existence in themselves by attributing them to others. For example, a bully may project their own feelings of vulnerability onto the target, or a person who is confused will project their own feelings of confusion and inadequacy on other people._ _Projection incorporates blame shifting and can manifest as shame dumping._ You're welcome.
@@vejeke : Well what a hackneyed response. How many times have you used that before? The truth is the OP COULD be discussing either of those ideologies I listed. They all have similarities with religion & their followers that will demean & insult the unfaithful rather than engage in honest debate about the belief system. You have just proved my point, so thankyou for that. Which ones are sacred cows for you?
@@vejeke : If that’s true you’ll easily be able to answer the following: 1. In your opinion, what “unconscious impulses” arose in me that I denied the existence of? 2. What, in your opinion, gave rise to the “feelings of vulnerability” you claim you have proof of? 3. What “blame” did I shift and what “shame” did I “dump”?
^_^ Beliefs and also diet: Ha'satan was first a verb, later a noun. The only real significance of so-called Satan is in the Book of Job. There, Satan is a designated tempter, assisting so-called Yahweh ("God", but Yahweh means male, female, and plural). Yahweh kills millions or more and Satan, under Yahweh's direct orders, kills 10 or so. Lucifer means light-bearer, as so-called Jesus said he was too. Lucifer isn't in Jewish text, it's a mistranslation (one of the many). Hell was added in after Christianity was invented by Romans and started. Near-death experience consensus debunks hell too. Near-death experience consensus debunks religions and debunked material atheism dogma. So many mistranslations, self-contradictions, misconstrued ideas, unhistorical accounts, unscientific claims, unoriginal content, forgeries, and so forth in the Bible. "Jesus'' isn't even a Jewish name, so it's kinda racist, and 'J' didn't exist back then either. He's unoriginal, unhistorical, was a Jewish rabbi not a Christian, said he didn't come to do away with the prophets or the law, has no birth records, no death records, no crucifixion records, various conflicting stories of him (not being born on Earth, dying in space by Satan on a crucifix, living on Earth but never going on a crucifix, the last words are three different statements [literally impossible], etc.), and so forth. On record, Jewish people never did crucifixion, Romans did, and the recently discovered Book of Judas says "Jesus" insisted "Judas" sell him out to cause a scene. It was only with him getting handled by the Romans did he say he was the messiah, falsely, as unapologetic Bible scholars in the great documentary, The Christian Dilemmas (free on UA-cam), have said, and plenty of others have said too. He was 250 years too late to be the messiah. As well, virgin birth (a mistranslation and wasn't in original Christianity, but added later to compete with other virgin births in religions Christianity copied everything but the Church from) isn't what the messiah was supposed to be, a messiah isn't supernatural. The messiah wouldn't leave his area and go missing, unlike Yeshua ("Jesus") who did for over 10 years. The messiah wouldn't have been against the government, but for the government. So on and so forth. "Son of God" and "Son of man" are common phrases in Jewish religion. Also the verse, "Ye are all Gods, ye are all sons of the most high" exists, and even "Jesus" mentions that. "Jesus" said he didn't come to change the law, nor do away with the prophets, but to fulfill law, and he was a Jewish rabbi. Christianity and writings of him very oddly emerged 60 or so years after he so-called died, quite so very odd. As mentioned earlier, no records of him being born or having died, and so forth. The Kingdom of Yahweh is a geographical location on Earth, and Jewish people didn't push an idea of heaven anyways. Many Christians falsely claim that place to be heaven. "Jesus" said, as the Egyptians said way before him, that, "The kingdom of heaven is within you, and he who knows himself shall find it" (kinda sexist there with just "he", but a lot of religions, especially all the Abrahamic ones, have been quite sexist). Hell being added later into Christianity, to do fear-mongering (to keep customers so that they collect 10% tax-free, against Jewish practices of not accepting money in a "holy" place, and to have plenty of little boys to ***e, apparently), via mistranslations and added Hades from Greek mythology (which Greeks didn even have a Hell). Just as the laws for suicide and abortion were added in later on in Christianity, but not original at all to Christianity (as mentioned to keep customers). Furthermore, "Jesus" wasn't even supernatural in original Christianity. So on and so forth. Several mistranslations, forgeries, unscientific claims, unhistorical events, contradictions (doublets and triplets, amongst other contradictions), and so forth. Many have left their religion after having a near-death experience. Religions were mostly spread by extreme violence and very brutal laws. Religion is thankfully dying more and more each year, according to statistics, and plenty today have to fake being Muslim because Islam has verses in the Qur'an (Qur'wrong… I made that up… lol) and in the Hadiths to kill those who leave the religion. I'm Jewish-mixed, and like most of us Jews, non-religious. We're the least religious of any culture. Hehe. I'm spiritual and very anti-religion.
The rapture is a christian concept. You saying that you are an athiest and believe in rapture is nonsensical. Think before you post illlogical comments.
@jon9394 You are either a lost soul that a religion has convinced you to go out and "fight the good fight" against atheism or whatever perceived danger(s) to your belief system. Or you are so Thick in the head you can't pickup on Basic sarcasm. Just W O W
:p Beliefs and also diet: Ha'satan was first a verb, later a noun. The only real significance of so-called Satan is in the Book of Job. There, Satan is a designated tempter, assisting so-called Yahweh ("God", but Yahweh means male, female, and plural). Yahweh kills millions or more and Satan, under Yahweh's direct orders, kills 10 or so. Lucifer means light-bearer, as so-called Jesus said he was too. Lucifer isn't in Jewish text, it's a mistranslation (one of the many). Hell was added in after Christianity was invented by Romans and started. Near-death experience consensus debunks hell too. Near-death experience consensus debunks religions and debunked material atheism dogma. So many mistranslations, self-contradictions, misconstrued ideas, unhistorical accounts, unscientific claims, unoriginal content, forgeries, and so forth in the Bible. "Jesus'' isn't even a Jewish name, so it's kinda racist, and 'J' didn't exist back then either. He's unoriginal, unhistorical, was a Jewish rabbi not a Christian, said he didn't come to do away with the prophets or the law, has no birth records, no death records, no crucifixion records, various conflicting stories of him (not being born on Earth, dying in space by Satan on a crucifix, living on Earth but never going on a crucifix, the last words are three different statements [literally impossible], etc.), and so forth. On record, Jewish people never did crucifixion, Romans did, and the recently discovered Book of Judas says "Jesus" insisted "Judas" sell him out to cause a scene. It was only with him getting handled by the Romans did he say he was the messiah, falsely, as unapologetic Bible scholars in the great documentary, The Christian Dilemmas (free on UA-cam), have said, and plenty of others have said too. He was 250 years too late to be the messiah. As well, virgin birth (a mistranslation and wasn't in original Christianity, but added later to compete with other virgin births in religions Christianity copied everything but the Church from) isn't what the messiah was supposed to be, a messiah isn't supernatural. The messiah wouldn't leave his area and go missing, unlike Yeshua ("Jesus") who did for over 10 years. The messiah wouldn't have been against the government, but for the government. So on and so forth. "Son of God" and "Son of man" are common phrases in Jewish religion. Also the verse, "Ye are all Gods, ye are all sons of the most high" exists, and even "Jesus" mentions that. "Jesus" said he didn't come to change the law, nor do away with the prophets, but to fulfill law, and he was a Jewish rabbi. Christianity and writings of him very oddly emerged 60 or so years after he so-called died, quite so very odd. As mentioned earlier, no records of him being born or having died, and so forth. The Kingdom of Yahweh is a geographical location on Earth, and Jewish people didn't push an idea of heaven anyways. Many Christians falsely claim that place to be heaven. "Jesus" said, as the Egyptians said way before him, that, "The kingdom of heaven is within you, and he who knows himself shall find it" (kinda sexist there with just "he", but a lot of religions, especially all the Abrahamic ones, have been quite sexist). Hell being added later into Christianity, to do fear-mongering (to keep customers so that they collect 10% tax-free, against Jewish practices of not accepting money in a "holy" place, and to have plenty of little boys to ***e, apparently), via mistranslations and added Hades from Greek mythology (which Greeks didn even have a Hell). Just as the laws for suicide and abortion were added in later on in Christianity, but not original at all to Christianity (as mentioned to keep customers). Furthermore, "Jesus" wasn't even supernatural in original Christianity. So on and so forth. Several mistranslations, forgeries, unscientific claims, unhistorical events, contradictions (doublets and triplets, amongst other contradictions), and so forth. Many have left their religion after having a near-death experience. Religions were mostly spread by extreme violence and very brutal laws. Religion is thankfully dying more and more each year, according to statistics, and plenty today have to fake being Muslim because Islam has verses in the Qur'an (Qur'wrong… I made that up… lol) and in the Hadiths to kill those who leave the religion. I'm Jewish-mixed, and like most of us Jews, non-religious. We're the least religious of any culture. Hehe. I'm spiritual and very anti-religion.
^_^ I've been a big fan of the guest for some years now, and a big fan of Sam Harris, fellow Jewish and non-religious brother, for several years now. I'm glad we can push more and more facts of how flawed and unoriginal the Bible is through people who have studied the Bible, having their PhD, to know what they're talking about. Near-death experience consensus debunks religions and debunked material atheism dogma too. Religions and material atheism dogma are cancer to society.
^_^ The Left Behind series sold over 80 million copies. Most readers claimed that the rapture is in the Bible, because of mere stupid assumption. There is no rapture in the Bible. That was a notion passed by Christians in the 18th Century. Lol. That's how he starts off the book. A lot of people think a lot of stuff they believe are in the Bible, and plenty isn't. The trinity, original sin (mistranslation, and "Jesus" even says we don't carry the sins of the 3 fathers before us, that we have challenges, etc.), purgatory, rapture, obviously Jesus isn't a Christian (but the Bible never even says that he is, but plenty of morons try to say Jesus was a Christian), etc.
@Sean Hummer I can't imagine paying $14.99 per month, even for great content like this. I wish he were charging $9.99 per month... I could see that. I don't want to pay more for Making Sense than for Netflix.
This is the type of content that drew my interest to Sam's work in the first place over a decade ago. I wish he'd return to these former topics of his, rather than political subjects to which frankly he adds little.
His political musings are spot-on. Anyway, Sam is overwhelmingly devoted to meditation, mindfulness, nature of consciousness, and spreading the teachings of buddhism (in a secular manner). Take a look at the podcast guests and overt political topics are probably a fifth of his content.
From the age of five, I was indoctrinated with all this insane nonsense in the communes of a sick cult my mother had joined. The book of Revelation was among their favourites and these ignorant fools would search for signs and confirmations on the nightly news on TV. I was forced to read and memorize the bible every single day or risk punishment. I grew up being taught that the End was close, that the rapture was iminent and the rest of the world was doomed for being non-believers. Now, all my abusers are old and decrepit, I still live with the scars and, of course, Jesus never did return. If ever a book needed to be removed from the world...
I am very sorry to hear that. This is just part of the damage that religion does, but I would argue it is the most widespread. Personally, I oppose religion on all fronts, but only in the sense that people take it seriously. The bible in particular has utility for some, and I do mean some, of its content, but more so as a means to furnish history in that its effects cannot be ignored if one wants to know our past. Religion should be studied as part of history or literature, no more.
@@bertrandrussell894 I appreciate your kind comments and observations regarding this subject. Of course, I don't literally wish to ban or remove the book itself, but was expressing my resentment at the actions it has promoted by persons who followed it to the letter. My comment also stemmed from a certain incredulity that they're now editing and 'sanitising' the works of modern writers such as Agatha Christie, Ian Fleming, Roald Dahl, etc. so as not to shiver the timbers of sensitive readers while the bible, with it's misogyny, homophobia, incest, child sacrifice and wholesale slaughter of entire populations, is considered sacrosanct. The past should faced honestly, as you intimated, not censored.
@@skylinerunner1695 I entirely agree. Its staggering this is called the "good book" when its is responsible for a great deal of the intractable violence and ignorance of both today and the past. At least you have seen through it for what it is.
Ol' Sam diving back into the religion waters from whence he came...When you start to hear the full story of christianity, from the perspective of someone who has read the texts in their original languages, you get an appreciation for the staggering level of bat shittery. Bart is now an atheist, but there are not many people who have studied the bible as fully. All religions sound just as crazy when you analyze their faith claims.
Atheist: one who denies what he doesn't want to submit to but knows it is true in reality. I don't need to see the car I buy being made, as I believe it didn't just appear, but had a creator. So our creator God ... ❤. Comments deleted/muted so no need replying.
I just gave a like #313 to the Justin & Victoria Boudreaux channel with alive ministries. Next thing i see is podcast #313 - interesting & it caught my attention.! ☮️✝️☮️
:3 The Left Behind series sold over 80 million copies. Most readers claimed that the rapture is in the Bible, because of mere stupid assumption. There is no rapture in the Bible. That was a notion passed by Christians in the 18th Century. Lol. That's how he starts off the book. A lot of people think a lot of stuff they believe are in the Bible, and plenty isn't. The trinity, original sin (mistranslation, and "Jesus" even says we don't carry the sins of the 3 fathers before us, that we have challenges, etc.), purgatory, rapture, obviously Jesus isn't a Christian (but the Bible never even says that he is, but plenty of morons try to say Jesus was a Christian), etc.
It's interesting how the Christian god starts out as a wrathful, jealous, capricious god of war to a god of salvation and mercy and love, back to a wrathful, vengeful god again. Fear based faith is so fun! 😂🎉
I'm not a Biblical inerrantist much less a believer in the rapture, but I thought it was misleading to omit the perceived Biblical evidence for the rapture that has convinced various Christians of its reality; see 1 Corinthians 15:51-53 and 1 Thessalonians 4:15-17.
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That bothered me as well, for example Matt 24:41-42 was also not taken into account.
This was a good one, a few things in here I did not know before like 666 actually refering to Nero. Of course i was raised to think very differently...
Remember when he used to say We Never Want Money to be the reason someone cant afford to listen to this podcast... And now its just the most exxpensive podcast on the planet
An issue is that if closely translated to Hebrew, all of the dialogue turns into rhythmic, rhyming, or assonant poetry. So it likely was originally conceived in a Semitic language.
:p Beliefs and also diet: Ha'satan was first a verb, later a noun. The only real significance of so-called Satan is in the Book of Job. There, Satan is a designated tempter, assisting so-called Yahweh ("God", but Yahweh means male, female, and plural). Yahweh kills millions or more and Satan, under Yahweh's direct orders, kills 10 or so. Lucifer means light-bearer, as so-called Jesus said he was too. Lucifer isn't in Jewish text, it's a mistranslation (one of the many). Hell was added in after Christianity was invented by Romans and started. Near-death experience consensus debunks hell too. Near-death experience consensus debunks religions and debunked material atheism dogma. So many mistranslations, self-contradictions, misconstrued ideas, unhistorical accounts, unscientific claims, unoriginal content, forgeries, and so forth in the Bible. "Jesus'' isn't even a Jewish name, so it's kinda racist, and 'J' didn't exist back then either. He's unoriginal, unhistorical, was a Jewish rabbi not a Christian, said he didn't come to do away with the prophets or the law, has no birth records, no death records, no crucifixion records, various conflicting stories of him (not being born on Earth, dying in space by Satan on a crucifix, living on Earth but never going on a crucifix, the last words are three different statements [literally impossible], etc.), and so forth. On record, Jewish people never did crucifixion, Romans did, and the recently discovered Book of Judas says "Jesus" insisted "Judas" sell him out to cause a scene. It was only with him getting handled by the Romans did he say he was the messiah, falsely, as unapologetic Bible scholars in the great documentary, The Christian Dilemmas (free on UA-cam), have said, and plenty of others have said too. He was 250 years too late to be the messiah. As well, virgin birth (a mistranslation and wasn't in original Christianity, but added later to compete with other virgin births in religions Christianity copied everything but the Church from) isn't what the messiah was supposed to be, a messiah isn't supernatural. The messiah wouldn't leave his area and go missing, unlike Yeshua ("Jesus") who did for over 10 years. The messiah wouldn't have been against the government, but for the government. So on and so forth. "Son of God" and "Son of man" are common phrases in Jewish religion. Also the verse, "Ye are all Gods, ye are all sons of the most high" exists, and even "Jesus" mentions that. "Jesus" said he didn't come to change the law, nor do away with the prophets, but to fulfill law, and he was a Jewish rabbi. Christianity and writings of him very oddly emerged 60 or so years after he so-called died, quite so very odd. As mentioned earlier, no records of him being born or having died, and so forth. The Kingdom of Yahweh is a geographical location on Earth, and Jewish people didn't push an idea of heaven anyways. Many Christians falsely claim that place to be heaven. "Jesus" said, as the Egyptians said way before him, that, "The kingdom of heaven is within you, and he who knows himself shall find it" (kinda sexist there with just "he", but a lot of religions, especially all the Abrahamic ones, have been quite sexist). Hell being added later into Christianity, to do fear-mongering (to keep customers so that they collect 10% tax-free, against Jewish practices of not accepting money in a "holy" place, and to have plenty of little boys to ***e, apparently), via mistranslations and added Hades from Greek mythology (which Greeks didn even have a Hell). Just as the laws for suicide and abortion were added in later on in Christianity, but not original at all to Christianity (as mentioned to keep customers). Furthermore, "Jesus" wasn't even supernatural in original Christianity. So on and so forth. Several mistranslations, forgeries, unscientific claims, unhistorical events, contradictions (doublets and triplets, amongst other contradictions), and so forth. Many have left their religion after having a near-death experience. Religions were mostly spread by extreme violence and very brutal laws. Religion is thankfully dying more and more each year, according to statistics, and plenty today have to fake being Muslim because Islam has verses in the Qur'an (Qur'wrong… I made that up… lol) and in the Hadiths to kill those who leave the religion. I'm Jewish-mixed, and like most of us Jews, non-religious. We're the least religious of any culture. Hehe. I'm spiritual and very anti-religion.
🎉🎉❤❤I've been a big fan of the guest for some years now, and a big fan of Sam Harris, fellow Jewish and non-religious brother, for several years now. I'm glad we can push more and more facts of how flawed and unoriginal the Bible is through people who have studied the Bible, having their PhD, to know what they're talking about. Near-death experience consensus debunks religions and debunked material atheism dogma too. Religions and material atheism dogma are cancer to society.
;p The Left Behind series sold over 80 million copies. Most readers claimed that the rapture is in the Bible, because of mere stupid assumption. There is no rapture in the Bible. That was a notion passed by Christians in the 18th Century. Lol. That's how he starts off the book. A lot of people think a lot of stuff they believe are in the Bible, and plenty isn't. The trinity, original sin (mistranslation, and "Jesus" even says we don't carry the sins of the 3 fathers before us, that we have challenges, etc.), purgatory, rapture, obviously Jesus isn't a Christian (but the Bible never even says that he is, but plenty of morons try to say Jesus was a Christian), etc.❤❤
Bad writing is just a matter of taste. At least that author ended up changing global human culture permanently. There must be something about a book which can seem meaningful to hundreds of millions of people over millenniums and accross hundreds of cultures. If that doesn't epitomize literature, then what will?
$14.99 per month seems too excessive for a podcast. I pay less for Netflix. I appreciate Sam's content and want to support him... but that is too much per month.
Man I will love a multi episode series with Sam and Bart, I don’t get tired of listen to them. The previous and present episode are super fun. A series debunking the bible would be of great public service
Revelation is to be spiritually understood. Jesus does not Come with a literal sword….but the sword is the ‘word of his mouth’ he’s come to change our hearts our egos our pride and takeaway all deception. This is the hardest thing to do and that is the biblical ‘Great tribulation’. Jesus came to save and not to condemn. The book of Revelation is about Jesus coming into us and walking with us to save us! It’s a beautiful message when you look at it from heavens standpoint and not read the book in a carnal fleshly sense! Corporate Religion wants you to do that to mislead! They have made Jesus and GOD look bad and brutal! GOD don’t force…he does not pop out of heaven and say here I am! There is not fiery place of torment…Hell is the common grave that’s what the original word of Hell means…hades and Sheol the common grave!
there was a time when Sam Harris was interesting and worth my time - but then he was broken by Donald Trump and COVID....I've had to rethink everything I got from him Now I stop here to hear whatever like I'm going to a circus side show...
Would love to hear a discussion between Bart Ehrman, and fellow bible scholar Paul Wallis (5th Kind), specifically on the idea that the Bible/Genesis, when properly translated, does not describe God, but rather a non-human race that engineered humans!
I first found out about Bert Ehrman, when he was a guest with Aron Ra. he flat out knows the bible probably better than anyone. he has been a guest with several Atheists. and his knowledge of the bible is helpful for Atheists. to better understand it's idiosyncrasies.
1 Thess 4:15-17 is where the rapture of His remnant will take place. Yet keep laughing while you can but make sure you call on Jesus before He returns for judgement day. They laughed at Noah too in his days, building a boat when there was no rain. Hell is the second death. This world isn’t our final home. Believe in our Lord Yeshua Hamaschiach before it’s too late. Study the Hebrew text and ask the Holy Spirit to teach you all things, before you open your mouth to speak against the Lord again. May God bless you with salvation. Every knee will bow and every tongue will confess Jesus is Lord, our true healer, provider, our all in all, blessed hope, no man can ever compare or come close. He is our Creator and we His creations ❤Love God and love others. So simple love 💗❤️🩹He binds up the wounds of the broken hearted. He is the healer of all things. He defeated sins and death, the final sin. 😢🩸✝️🐑🕊👑🙌🎉💯☁️⚡️🔥🥹It won’t be good. Accept Jesus today in your heart as King! This is the prophesied testimonies of the risen King.
Naomi Wolf: “Because lies embraced our whole culture since 2020, and because public intellectuals for the most part did not stand up to the lies at the time, and because many even participated in the lies (hello, Sam Harris); since horrible things happened to those of us who did stand up to the lies - most public intellectuals at this moment cannot address the really important events of the recent past.”
Love the dialogue. Very professional as always. Disclaimer: I'm a Christian. Y'all mentioned revelations not being about justice, but instead wrath. I haven't heard anyone create an air-tight distinction between how justice is different from retribution. Maybe a future episode could cover that discussion. If I'm innocent, and I let you kill me - what amount of recourse is Just, and what amount is wrath? If God says vengeance belongs to me - who am I to say what is Just? The key, for a Christian, is to focus on doing good and bare only the cross of exacting law as far as is agreed upon for preservation of the public. Love your show.
I've been going through a Sam Harris phase as of late, and I've gotta say, it's WAY more entertaining when I can see people's faces. All of those live debates are BANGERS, and these podcast thingies feel like a slog. Why not just put on a face cam? I don't get it. It's extra dopamine and free views. Also, Sam is probably rich. Why does he care about forcing viewers to pay? Is he being forced? I feel like the extra exposure from giving away podcasts for free would be more valuable. I know this is probably not going to change. It's a shame. Sam is such a monster of an intellectual. He DESTOYS everyone he disagrees with. He never misses on anything ever. There is so much potential for him and this podcast to grow in popularity if his team/him focused more on what gets more clout rather than what makes more money.
Bart is kicking against the goads. He is betting against the odds. No bookie when bet on Bart. The odds are too great against Bart. Bart: I'm willing to bet eternity on my lack of knowledge. I am not a smart man!
Really would like to hear his take on cancel culture in reference to David Pakman. He often goes after the left for this, but it’s been a very long time since I’ve heard anything about when the right does it. Book banning is another thing that I’d like to hear his take on.
Thank you for this conversation - my mum was brought up in the [Open] Brethren in the 50s, south England and so i feel a personal connection to this subject
^_^ Beliefs and also diet: Ha'satan was first a verb, later a noun. The only real significance of so-called Satan is in the Book of Job. There, Satan is a designated tempter, assisting so-called Yahweh ("God", but Yahweh means male, female, and plural). Yahweh kills millions or more and Satan, under Yahweh's direct orders, kills 10 or so. Lucifer means light-bearer, as so-called Jesus said he was too. Lucifer isn't in Jewish text, it's a mistranslation (one of the many). Hell was added in after Christianity was invented by Romans and started. Near-death experience consensus debunks hell too. Near-death experience consensus debunks religions and debunked material atheism dogma. So many mistranslations, self-contradictions, misconstrued ideas, unhistorical accounts, unscientific claims, unoriginal content, forgeries, and so forth in the Bible. "Jesus'' isn't even a Jewish name, so it's kinda racist, and 'J' didn't exist back then either. He's unoriginal, unhistorical, was a Jewish rabbi not a Christian, said he didn't come to do away with the prophets or the law, has no birth records, no death records, no crucifixion records, various conflicting stories of him (not being born on Earth, dying in space by Satan on a crucifix, living on Earth but never going on a crucifix, the last words are three different statements [literally impossible], etc.), and so forth. On record, Jewish people never did crucifixion, Romans did, and the recently discovered Book of Judas says "Jesus" insisted "Judas" sell him out to cause a scene. It was only with him getting handled by the Romans did he say he was the messiah, falsely, as unapologetic Bible scholars in the great documentary, The Christian Dilemmas (free on UA-cam), have said, and plenty of others have said too. He was 250 years too late to be the messiah. As well, virgin birth (a mistranslation and wasn't in original Christianity, but added later to compete with other virgin births in religions Christianity copied everything but the Church from) isn't what the messiah was supposed to be, a messiah isn't supernatural. The messiah wouldn't leave his area and go missing, unlike Yeshua ("Jesus") who did for over 10 years. The messiah wouldn't have been against the government, but for the government. So on and so forth. "Son of God" and "Son of man" are common phrases in Jewish religion. Also the verse, "Ye are all Gods, ye are all sons of the most high" exists, and even "Jesus" mentions that. "Jesus" said he didn't come to change the law, nor do away with the prophets, but to fulfill law, and he was a Jewish rabbi. Christianity and writings of him very oddly emerged 60 or so years after he so-called died, quite so very odd. As mentioned earlier, no records of him being born or having died, and so forth. The Kingdom of Yahweh is a geographical location on Earth, and Jewish people didn't push an idea of heaven anyways. Many Christians falsely claim that place to be heaven. "Jesus" said, as the Egyptians said way before him, that, "The kingdom of heaven is within you, and he who knows himself shall find it" (kinda sexist there with just "he", but a lot of religions, especially all the Abrahamic ones, have been quite sexist). Hell being added later into Christianity, to do fear-mongering (to keep customers so that they collect 10% tax-free, against Jewish practices of not accepting money in a "holy" place, and to have plenty of little boys to ***e, apparently), via mistranslations and added Hades from Greek mythology (which Greeks didn even have a Hell). Just as the laws for suicide and abortion were added in later on in Christianity, but not original at all to Christianity (as mentioned to keep customers). Furthermore, "Jesus" wasn't even supernatural in original Christianity. So on and so forth. Several mistranslations, forgeries, unscientific claims, unhistorical events, contradictions (doublets and triplets, amongst other contradictions), and so forth. Many have left their religion after having a near-death experience. Religions were mostly spread by extreme violence and very brutal laws. Religion is thankfully dying more and more each year, according to statistics, and plenty today have to fake being Muslim because Islam has verses in the Qur'an (Qur'wrong… I made that up… lol) and in the Hadiths to kill those who leave the religion. I'm Jewish-mixed, and like most of us Jews, non-religious. We're the least religious of any culture. Hehe. I'm spiritual and very anti-religion.
:D The Left Behind series sold over 80 million copies. Most readers claimed that the rapture is in the Bible, because of mere stupid assumption. There is no rapture in the Bible. That was a notion passed by Christians in the 18th Century. Lol. That's how he starts off the book. A lot of people think a lot of stuff they believe are in the Bible, and plenty isn't. The trinity, original sin (mistranslation, and "Jesus" even says we don't carry the sins of the 3 fathers before us, that we have challenges, etc.), purgatory, rapture, obviously Jesus isn't a Christian (but the Bible never even says that he is, but plenty of morons try to say Jesus was a Christian), etc.
Just one quick note: Ehrman mis-spoke around minute 24 and says the founder of the rapture is John Henry Darby and the name is actually John Nelson Darby.: )
Praise Bart he's doing the Lord's work lol. There is a God and God is not in Revelations. In fact God is in no writings however sacred, whereby God is meant to act like a churlish human. Those traits are not of God. So yes Bart is doing God's work .. .of disabusing some people of the notion that God is a monster.
✝️ *For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life. For God did not send His Son into the world to condemn the world, but that the world through Him might be saved. “He who believes in Him is not condemned; but he who does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God. And this is the condemnation, that the light has come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil. For everyone practicing evil hates the light and does not come to the light, lest his deeds should be exposed. But he who does the truth comes to the light, that his deeds may be clearly seen, that they have been done in God.”* John 3:16-21 NKJV ✝️
Everything has just turned into hero worship. Personally I find the people who come from the joe rogan camp are particularly bad for this. I’m fairly confident the majority of the people who heard about lex first heard it from rogan.
@@gnomishviking3013 for sure and maybe they consider him “anti establishment?” The things people are criticizing him for are shocking though/ such as not apologizing for being overly concerned about Covid at the start or that Kanye west interviews shouldn’t be interviewed. You’d think he was saying actual controversial things
@@The.woman.in.the.high.castle everyone on the internet just wants to be right and fling their feces at each other. For myself I find Sam one of the most grounded and reasonable “intellectuals” but people don’t want reasonable and grounded ideas anymore.
The Council of Nicaea there was voting. The “ divinity” of Jesus was voted on at the Council of Nicaea. The form of Christianity that is followed today aka Pauline Christianity, was basically created at the Council of Nicaea. Why Bart claimed no books of the Bible were ever voted on confused me. The Gnostic texts were discarded at the Council of Nicaea and votes were casts and the books of the New Testament that are in the Bible today were voted on
The council of Nicaea had nothing to do with determining biblical canon, which is what Erhman said. The canon was officially agreed upon in the council or Rome bc it was already a fairly popular list. No voting took place.
I would like to see Harry get some guests on that actually challenge his views and I mean guests that can hold their end of the argument ( like his wife lol) seriously let's see the other side of the issue
I feel like Sam and Lex discussed why this will never happen pretty thoroughly a couple of weeks ago and that Sam explained his position sufficiently there
This is my favorite Sam. The absolute slack jawed awe at the (as he would say) profundity of nonsensical dibble cobbled together to form a worldview. :D
Last year I lost a dear friend to the Jehovah's Witnesses, a doomsday cult with apparently more roots than I knew in my city and surrounding area.
@zachflame123
They do tend to be kinda "sneaky".
This conversation finally put some context to a couple Iron Maiden songs.
Best comment.
Which ones, Number of the Beast, Hallowed Be Thy Name, Powerslave?
Finally
It never fails to amaze me how a collection of tall tales, fables and Semitic posturing has become something we have to discuss ad infinitum. I think the end (or beginning) of this discussion is the basic fact that it's just a bunch of hooey made up by ignorant, iron age people. How much time we're forced to waste on critiquing an essentially worthless set of rules and beliefs that really have no worth other than as control of the masses and a salve for death!
You could be discussing climate change, CRT, trans ideology or any number of other left wing ideologies. They have become religions.
@@dmanson4649 *_Psychological projection_*_ is a defense mechanism in which the ego defends itself against unconscious impulses or qualities (both positive and negative) by denying their existence in themselves by attributing them to others. For example, a bully may project their own feelings of vulnerability onto the target, or a person who is confused will project their own feelings of confusion and inadequacy on other people._
_Projection incorporates blame shifting and can manifest as shame dumping._
You're welcome.
@@vejeke : Well what a hackneyed response. How many times have you used that before? The truth is the OP COULD be discussing either of those ideologies I listed. They all have similarities with religion & their followers that will demean & insult the unfaithful rather than engage in honest debate about the belief system. You have just proved my point, so thankyou for that. Which ones are sacred cows for you?
@@dmanson4649 Thanks for proving my point.
@@vejeke : If that’s true you’ll easily be able to answer the following:
1. In your opinion, what “unconscious impulses” arose in me that I denied the existence of?
2. What, in your opinion, gave rise to the “feelings of vulnerability” you claim you have proof of?
3. What “blame” did I shift and what “shame” did I “dump”?
Wow, Sam Harris and Bart Ehrman, two people I've been listening to independently for the last several years... really excited to hear this.
they had this conversation a while back: ua-cam.com/video/bYKeiBiyHu4/v-deo.html&ab_channel=WakingUpwithSamHarris
@@madmindofmitch shit, I knew seeing their names next to one another sounded familiar. thanks.
:3
^_^ Beliefs and also diet:
Ha'satan was first a verb, later a noun. The only real significance of so-called Satan is in the Book of Job. There, Satan is a designated tempter, assisting so-called Yahweh ("God", but Yahweh means male, female, and plural). Yahweh kills millions or more and Satan, under Yahweh's direct orders, kills 10 or so. Lucifer means light-bearer, as so-called Jesus said he was too.
Lucifer isn't in Jewish text, it's a mistranslation (one of the many). Hell was added in after Christianity was invented by Romans and started. Near-death experience consensus debunks hell too. Near-death experience consensus debunks religions and debunked material atheism dogma.
So many mistranslations, self-contradictions, misconstrued ideas, unhistorical accounts, unscientific claims, unoriginal content, forgeries, and so forth in the Bible. "Jesus'' isn't even a Jewish name, so it's kinda racist, and 'J' didn't exist back then either.
He's unoriginal, unhistorical, was a Jewish rabbi not a Christian, said he didn't come to do away with the prophets or the law, has no birth records, no death records, no crucifixion records, various conflicting stories of him (not being born on Earth, dying in space by Satan on a crucifix, living on Earth but never going on a crucifix, the last words are three different statements [literally impossible], etc.), and so forth.
On record, Jewish people never did crucifixion, Romans did, and the recently discovered Book of Judas says "Jesus" insisted "Judas" sell him out to cause a scene. It was only with him getting handled by the Romans did he say he was the messiah, falsely, as unapologetic Bible scholars in the great documentary, The Christian Dilemmas (free on UA-cam), have said, and plenty of others have said too.
He was 250 years too late to be the messiah. As well, virgin birth (a mistranslation and wasn't in original Christianity, but added later to compete with other virgin births in religions Christianity copied everything but the Church from) isn't what the messiah was supposed to be, a messiah isn't supernatural. The messiah wouldn't leave his area and go missing, unlike Yeshua ("Jesus") who did for over 10 years. The messiah wouldn't have been against the government, but for the government. So on and so forth.
"Son of God" and "Son of man" are common phrases in Jewish religion. Also the verse, "Ye are all Gods, ye are all sons of the most high" exists, and even "Jesus" mentions that. "Jesus" said he didn't come to change the law, nor do away with the prophets, but to fulfill law, and he was a Jewish rabbi. Christianity and writings of him very oddly emerged 60 or so years after he so-called died, quite so very odd. As mentioned earlier, no records of him being born or having died, and so forth.
The Kingdom of Yahweh is a geographical location on Earth, and Jewish people didn't push an idea of heaven anyways. Many Christians falsely claim that place to be heaven. "Jesus" said, as the Egyptians said way before him, that, "The kingdom of heaven is within you, and he who knows himself shall find it" (kinda sexist there with just "he", but a lot of religions, especially all the Abrahamic ones, have been quite sexist).
Hell being added later into Christianity, to do fear-mongering (to keep customers so that they collect 10% tax-free, against Jewish practices of not accepting money in a "holy" place, and to have plenty of little boys to ***e, apparently), via mistranslations and added Hades from Greek mythology (which Greeks didn even have a Hell).
Just as the laws for suicide and abortion were added in later on in Christianity, but not original at all to Christianity (as mentioned to keep customers).
Furthermore, "Jesus" wasn't even supernatural in original Christianity. So on and so forth. Several mistranslations, forgeries, unscientific claims, unhistorical events, contradictions (doublets and triplets, amongst other contradictions), and so forth.
Many have left their religion after having a near-death experience. Religions were mostly spread by extreme violence and very brutal laws. Religion is thankfully dying more and more each year, according to statistics, and plenty today have to fake being Muslim because Islam has verses in the Qur'an (Qur'wrong… I made that up… lol) and in the Hadiths to kill those who leave the religion.
I'm Jewish-mixed, and like most of us Jews, non-religious. We're the least religious of any culture. Hehe. I'm spiritual and very anti-religion.
I don't know about other atheists, but I certainly believe in the rapture: We can see that Christians are starting to disappear. 🙂
The rapture is a christian concept. You saying that you are an athiest and believe in rapture is nonsensical.
Think before you post illlogical comments.
@@jon9394 I think it was a joke
@@jon9394 whoosh
Atheists spread ignorance and make the claim it is the superior position and people are dumb enough to follow.
@jon9394
You are either a lost soul that a religion has convinced you to go out and "fight the good fight" against atheism or whatever perceived danger(s) to your belief system.
Or you are so Thick in the head you can't pickup on Basic sarcasm.
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This is the guest that's going to drive me to finally pay for Sam's podcast.
:p Beliefs and also diet:
Ha'satan was first a verb, later a noun. The only real significance of so-called Satan is in the Book of Job. There, Satan is a designated tempter, assisting so-called Yahweh ("God", but Yahweh means male, female, and plural). Yahweh kills millions or more and Satan, under Yahweh's direct orders, kills 10 or so. Lucifer means light-bearer, as so-called Jesus said he was too.
Lucifer isn't in Jewish text, it's a mistranslation (one of the many). Hell was added in after Christianity was invented by Romans and started. Near-death experience consensus debunks hell too. Near-death experience consensus debunks religions and debunked material atheism dogma.
So many mistranslations, self-contradictions, misconstrued ideas, unhistorical accounts, unscientific claims, unoriginal content, forgeries, and so forth in the Bible. "Jesus'' isn't even a Jewish name, so it's kinda racist, and 'J' didn't exist back then either.
He's unoriginal, unhistorical, was a Jewish rabbi not a Christian, said he didn't come to do away with the prophets or the law, has no birth records, no death records, no crucifixion records, various conflicting stories of him (not being born on Earth, dying in space by Satan on a crucifix, living on Earth but never going on a crucifix, the last words are three different statements [literally impossible], etc.), and so forth.
On record, Jewish people never did crucifixion, Romans did, and the recently discovered Book of Judas says "Jesus" insisted "Judas" sell him out to cause a scene. It was only with him getting handled by the Romans did he say he was the messiah, falsely, as unapologetic Bible scholars in the great documentary, The Christian Dilemmas (free on UA-cam), have said, and plenty of others have said too.
He was 250 years too late to be the messiah. As well, virgin birth (a mistranslation and wasn't in original Christianity, but added later to compete with other virgin births in religions Christianity copied everything but the Church from) isn't what the messiah was supposed to be, a messiah isn't supernatural. The messiah wouldn't leave his area and go missing, unlike Yeshua ("Jesus") who did for over 10 years. The messiah wouldn't have been against the government, but for the government. So on and so forth.
"Son of God" and "Son of man" are common phrases in Jewish religion. Also the verse, "Ye are all Gods, ye are all sons of the most high" exists, and even "Jesus" mentions that. "Jesus" said he didn't come to change the law, nor do away with the prophets, but to fulfill law, and he was a Jewish rabbi. Christianity and writings of him very oddly emerged 60 or so years after he so-called died, quite so very odd. As mentioned earlier, no records of him being born or having died, and so forth.
The Kingdom of Yahweh is a geographical location on Earth, and Jewish people didn't push an idea of heaven anyways. Many Christians falsely claim that place to be heaven. "Jesus" said, as the Egyptians said way before him, that, "The kingdom of heaven is within you, and he who knows himself shall find it" (kinda sexist there with just "he", but a lot of religions, especially all the Abrahamic ones, have been quite sexist).
Hell being added later into Christianity, to do fear-mongering (to keep customers so that they collect 10% tax-free, against Jewish practices of not accepting money in a "holy" place, and to have plenty of little boys to ***e, apparently), via mistranslations and added Hades from Greek mythology (which Greeks didn even have a Hell).
Just as the laws for suicide and abortion were added in later on in Christianity, but not original at all to Christianity (as mentioned to keep customers).
Furthermore, "Jesus" wasn't even supernatural in original Christianity. So on and so forth. Several mistranslations, forgeries, unscientific claims, unhistorical events, contradictions (doublets and triplets, amongst other contradictions), and so forth.
Many have left their religion after having a near-death experience. Religions were mostly spread by extreme violence and very brutal laws. Religion is thankfully dying more and more each year, according to statistics, and plenty today have to fake being Muslim because Islam has verses in the Qur'an (Qur'wrong… I made that up… lol) and in the Hadiths to kill those who leave the religion.
I'm Jewish-mixed, and like most of us Jews, non-religious. We're the least religious of any culture. Hehe. I'm spiritual and very anti-religion.
^_^ I've been a big fan of the guest for some years now, and a big fan of Sam Harris, fellow Jewish and non-religious brother, for several years now. I'm glad we can push more and more facts of how flawed and unoriginal the Bible is through people who have studied the Bible, having their PhD, to know what they're talking about. Near-death experience consensus debunks religions and debunked material atheism dogma too. Religions and material atheism dogma are cancer to society.
^_^ The Left Behind series sold over 80 million copies. Most readers claimed that the rapture is in the Bible, because of mere stupid assumption. There is no rapture in the Bible. That was a notion passed by Christians in the 18th Century. Lol. That's how he starts off the book. A lot of people think a lot of stuff they believe are in the Bible, and plenty isn't. The trinity, original sin (mistranslation, and "Jesus" even says we don't carry the sins of the 3 fathers before us, that we have challenges, etc.), purgatory, rapture, obviously Jesus isn't a Christian (but the Bible never even says that he is, but plenty of morons try to say Jesus was a Christian), etc.
He was on his podcast before btw talking about "What is Christianity"
@Sean Hummer I can't imagine paying $14.99 per month, even for great content like this. I wish he were charging $9.99 per month... I could see that. I don't want to pay more for Making Sense than for Netflix.
This is the type of content that drew my interest to Sam's work in the first place over a decade ago. I wish he'd return to these former topics of his, rather than political subjects to which frankly he adds little.
Worse than "adds little". His sociopolitical forays have severely eroded his former formidable stature as a public intellectual.
@@twntwrs Says random internet nobodies.
@@TheAlibabatree Ad verecundiam and ad hominem with just four words, well done!
His political musings are spot-on. Anyway, Sam is overwhelmingly devoted to meditation, mindfulness, nature of consciousness, and spreading the teachings of buddhism (in a secular manner). Take a look at the podcast guests and overt political topics are probably a fifth of his content.
Ehrman is always a pleasure to listen to.
Just found this by listening to Lex Fridman. New subscribe here. So glad I found you
My parents are fundamentalist Christian and believe when natural disasters occur or more shootings happen, God‘a return is imminent.
From the age of five, I was indoctrinated with all this insane nonsense in the communes of a sick cult my mother had joined. The book of Revelation was among their favourites and these ignorant fools would search for signs and confirmations on the nightly news on TV. I was forced to read and memorize the bible every single day or risk punishment. I grew up being taught that the End was close, that the rapture was iminent and the rest of the world was doomed for being non-believers. Now, all my abusers are old and decrepit, I still live with the scars and, of course, Jesus never did return. If ever a book needed to be removed from the world...
I am very sorry to hear that. This is just part of the damage that religion does, but I would argue it is the most widespread. Personally, I oppose religion on all fronts, but only in the sense that people take it seriously. The bible in particular has utility for some, and I do mean some, of its content, but more so as a means to furnish history in that its effects cannot be ignored if one wants to know our past. Religion should be studied as part of history or literature, no more.
It was all nonsense.
@@bertrandrussell894 I appreciate your kind comments and observations regarding this subject. Of course, I don't literally wish to ban or remove the book itself, but was expressing my resentment at the actions it has promoted by persons who followed it to the letter. My comment also stemmed from a certain incredulity that they're now editing and 'sanitising' the works of modern writers such as Agatha Christie, Ian Fleming, Roald Dahl, etc. so as not to shiver the timbers of sensitive readers while the bible, with it's misogyny, homophobia, incest, child sacrifice and wholesale slaughter of entire populations, is considered sacrosanct. The past should faced honestly, as you intimated, not censored.
@bluered blew Small world. Glad you got out.
@@skylinerunner1695 I entirely agree. Its staggering this is called the "good book" when its is responsible for a great deal of the intractable violence and ignorance of both today and the past.
At least you have seen through it for what it is.
Ol' Sam diving back into the religion waters from whence he came...When you start to hear the full story of christianity, from the perspective of someone who has read the texts in their original languages, you get an appreciation for the staggering level of bat shittery. Bart is now an atheist, but there are not many people who have studied the bible as fully. All religions sound just as crazy when you analyze their faith claims.
Ehrman is the reason why I'm an atheist today
Atheist: one who denies what he doesn't want to submit to but knows it is true in reality. I don't need to see the car I buy being made, as I believe it didn't just appear, but had a creator. So our creator God ... ❤. Comments deleted/muted so no need replying.
Check out the mathematical universe by Max Tegmark. It provides very satisfying explanation why the universe has to exist out of necessity.
Fascinating stuff here. Also really enjoyed his recent appearance on Lex Fridman and the Daily Stoic.
Best podcast Sam has put out since 2019.
I just gave a like #313 to the
Justin & Victoria Boudreaux channel with alive ministries.
Next thing i see is podcast #313 - interesting &
it caught my attention.!
☮️✝️☮️
:3 The Left Behind series sold over 80 million copies. Most readers claimed that the rapture is in the Bible, because of mere stupid assumption. There is no rapture in the Bible. That was a notion passed by Christians in the 18th Century. Lol. That's how he starts off the book. A lot of people think a lot of stuff they believe are in the Bible, and plenty isn't. The trinity, original sin (mistranslation, and "Jesus" even says we don't carry the sins of the 3 fathers before us, that we have challenges, etc.), purgatory, rapture, obviously Jesus isn't a Christian (but the Bible never even says that he is, but plenty of morons try to say Jesus was a Christian), etc.
It's interesting how the Christian god starts out as a wrathful, jealous, capricious god of war to a god of salvation and mercy and love, back to a wrathful, vengeful god again. Fear based faith is so fun! 😂🎉
Will Sam Harris delve into the Talmud? Asking for a friend.
It would be interesting to see the ratio of Sam's time spent on Christianity and Islam v. Judaism.
@@JackSchitt-p9t Leather Apron Cub should look into that.
I'm not a Biblical inerrantist much less a believer in the rapture, but I thought it was misleading to omit the perceived Biblical evidence for the rapture that has convinced various Christians of its reality; see 1 Corinthians 15:51-53 and 1 Thessalonians 4:15-17.
That bothered me as well, for example Matt 24:41-42 was also not taken into account.
You know the Bible is true because there is nothing too farfetched in it.
You know alien abduction is real because nothing to farfetched.
LOL
This was a good one, a few things in here I did not know before like 666 actually refering to Nero. Of course i was raised to think very differently...
Guys go sub to Bart Ehrman. He's been putting out great vids recently discussing all aspects of the Bible.
Check out Bart Ehrman's course on the historical Jesus from The Great Courses. Very well worth it!!!!
Fun fact, the Plymouth Brethren mentioned around 12:00 is the denomination British Occultist/poet Aleister Crowley was raised in.
I’ve dealt with them in business, strange community, no electricity or radio waves allowed, and they dress in old fashioned clothes
Its been so long since Sam talked religion and atheism. I do miss it so…
Remember when he used to say We Never Want Money to be the reason someone cant afford to listen to this podcast...
And now its just the most exxpensive podcast on the planet
An issue is that if closely translated to Hebrew, all of the dialogue turns into rhythmic, rhyming, or assonant poetry.
So it likely was originally conceived in a Semitic language.
I am a fan of Bart Ehrman, he seems so fun.
Same here.
:p Beliefs and also diet:
Ha'satan was first a verb, later a noun. The only real significance of so-called Satan is in the Book of Job. There, Satan is a designated tempter, assisting so-called Yahweh ("God", but Yahweh means male, female, and plural). Yahweh kills millions or more and Satan, under Yahweh's direct orders, kills 10 or so. Lucifer means light-bearer, as so-called Jesus said he was too.
Lucifer isn't in Jewish text, it's a mistranslation (one of the many). Hell was added in after Christianity was invented by Romans and started. Near-death experience consensus debunks hell too. Near-death experience consensus debunks religions and debunked material atheism dogma.
So many mistranslations, self-contradictions, misconstrued ideas, unhistorical accounts, unscientific claims, unoriginal content, forgeries, and so forth in the Bible. "Jesus'' isn't even a Jewish name, so it's kinda racist, and 'J' didn't exist back then either.
He's unoriginal, unhistorical, was a Jewish rabbi not a Christian, said he didn't come to do away with the prophets or the law, has no birth records, no death records, no crucifixion records, various conflicting stories of him (not being born on Earth, dying in space by Satan on a crucifix, living on Earth but never going on a crucifix, the last words are three different statements [literally impossible], etc.), and so forth.
On record, Jewish people never did crucifixion, Romans did, and the recently discovered Book of Judas says "Jesus" insisted "Judas" sell him out to cause a scene. It was only with him getting handled by the Romans did he say he was the messiah, falsely, as unapologetic Bible scholars in the great documentary, The Christian Dilemmas (free on UA-cam), have said, and plenty of others have said too.
He was 250 years too late to be the messiah. As well, virgin birth (a mistranslation and wasn't in original Christianity, but added later to compete with other virgin births in religions Christianity copied everything but the Church from) isn't what the messiah was supposed to be, a messiah isn't supernatural. The messiah wouldn't leave his area and go missing, unlike Yeshua ("Jesus") who did for over 10 years. The messiah wouldn't have been against the government, but for the government. So on and so forth.
"Son of God" and "Son of man" are common phrases in Jewish religion. Also the verse, "Ye are all Gods, ye are all sons of the most high" exists, and even "Jesus" mentions that. "Jesus" said he didn't come to change the law, nor do away with the prophets, but to fulfill law, and he was a Jewish rabbi. Christianity and writings of him very oddly emerged 60 or so years after he so-called died, quite so very odd. As mentioned earlier, no records of him being born or having died, and so forth.
The Kingdom of Yahweh is a geographical location on Earth, and Jewish people didn't push an idea of heaven anyways. Many Christians falsely claim that place to be heaven. "Jesus" said, as the Egyptians said way before him, that, "The kingdom of heaven is within you, and he who knows himself shall find it" (kinda sexist there with just "he", but a lot of religions, especially all the Abrahamic ones, have been quite sexist).
Hell being added later into Christianity, to do fear-mongering (to keep customers so that they collect 10% tax-free, against Jewish practices of not accepting money in a "holy" place, and to have plenty of little boys to ***e, apparently), via mistranslations and added Hades from Greek mythology (which Greeks didn even have a Hell).
Just as the laws for suicide and abortion were added in later on in Christianity, but not original at all to Christianity (as mentioned to keep customers).
Furthermore, "Jesus" wasn't even supernatural in original Christianity. So on and so forth. Several mistranslations, forgeries, unscientific claims, unhistorical events, contradictions (doublets and triplets, amongst other contradictions), and so forth.
Many have left their religion after having a near-death experience. Religions were mostly spread by extreme violence and very brutal laws. Religion is thankfully dying more and more each year, according to statistics, and plenty today have to fake being Muslim because Islam has verses in the Qur'an (Qur'wrong… I made that up… lol) and in the Hadiths to kill those who leave the religion.
I'm Jewish-mixed, and like most of us Jews, non-religious. We're the least religious of any culture. Hehe. I'm spiritual and very anti-religion.
🎉🎉❤❤I've been a big fan of the guest for some years now, and a big fan of Sam Harris, fellow Jewish and non-religious brother, for several years now. I'm glad we can push more and more facts of how flawed and unoriginal the Bible is through people who have studied the Bible, having their PhD, to know what they're talking about. Near-death experience consensus debunks religions and debunked material atheism dogma too. Religions and material atheism dogma are cancer to society.
;p The Left Behind series sold over 80 million copies. Most readers claimed that the rapture is in the Bible, because of mere stupid assumption. There is no rapture in the Bible. That was a notion passed by Christians in the 18th Century. Lol. That's how he starts off the book. A lot of people think a lot of stuff they believe are in the Bible, and plenty isn't. The trinity, original sin (mistranslation, and "Jesus" even says we don't carry the sins of the 3 fathers before us, that we have challenges, etc.), purgatory, rapture, obviously Jesus isn't a Christian (but the Bible never even says that he is, but plenty of morons try to say Jesus was a Christian), etc.❤❤
It debunks false, crudely-interpreted religions. Not religion.
The author of Revelation is one of many biblical authors who are bad writers.
Bad writing is just a matter of taste. At least that author ended up changing global human culture permanently. There must be something about a book which can seem meaningful to hundreds of millions of people over millenniums and accross hundreds of cultures. If that doesn't epitomize literature, then what will?
hey sam. 899 php is too much for me. its higher than netflix and spotify together. but I love the way you do things. wish had a professor like yuou
You just have to email them and tell them you are too broke to afford it and you will get a free subscription.
@@hankhillsdisappointedsigh Is that true, still.. They took that note out of the beginning of the episode
I am getting this free on UA-cam
$14.99 per month seems too excessive for a podcast. I pay less for Netflix. I appreciate Sam's content and want to support him... but that is too much per month.
Man I will love a multi episode series with Sam and Bart, I don’t get tired of listen to them. The previous and present episode are super fun. A series debunking the bible would be of great public service
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I've been hoping for just such a series!
I too think Ehrman would be great on it.
Allllllright. I’m subbing. Your description dated this as Mar 25,
2013 btw
The date's wrong in the description (2023, not 2013).
Surprised to see 200 downvotes, this was a super interesting conversation. Thank you!
Adults believe this?
Revelation is to be spiritually understood. Jesus does not Come with a literal sword….but the sword is the ‘word of his mouth’ he’s come to change our hearts our egos our pride and takeaway all deception. This is the hardest thing to do and that is the biblical ‘Great tribulation’.
Jesus came to save and not to condemn. The book of Revelation is about Jesus coming into us and walking with us to save us! It’s a beautiful message when you look at it from heavens standpoint and not read the book in a carnal fleshly sense! Corporate Religion wants you to do that to mislead! They have made Jesus and GOD look bad and brutal! GOD don’t force…he does not pop out of heaven and say here I am! There is not fiery place of torment…Hell is the common grave that’s what the original word of Hell means…hades and Sheol the common grave!
When Bart drops his logic on biblical texts, it's like a ninja leaving an SBD in a cocktail party.
That's illogical
there was a time when Sam Harris was interesting and worth my time - but then he was broken by Donald Trump and COVID....I've had to rethink everything I got from him
Now I stop here to hear whatever like I'm going to a circus side show...
Would love to hear a discussion between Bart Ehrman, and fellow bible scholar Paul Wallis (5th Kind), specifically on the idea that the Bible/Genesis, when properly translated, does not describe God, but rather a non-human race that engineered humans!
Oy vey!
I first found out about Bert Ehrman, when he was a guest with Aron Ra. he flat out knows the bible probably better than anyone. he has been a guest with several Atheists. and his knowledge of the bible is helpful for Atheists. to better understand it's idiosyncrasies.
Greatly appreciate the work both of you have done in advancing truth. Thanks.
Sam has been infiltrated lol. Nobody knows this dude😂 bot comments
Sam… how about the book of Isaiah and their messianic message of taking over the world?..😉
Whenever a Christian tells me about the end times, I just tell them, "Armageddon outta here" 😂😂😂
People tend to overrate defectors from opposing ideological/religious camps.
I bet the 144000 are the only people who can see the difference between Genesis 1 God and Genesis 2 Devil...
1 Thess 4:15-17 is where the rapture of His remnant will take place. Yet keep laughing while you can but make sure you call on Jesus before He returns for judgement day. They laughed at Noah too in his days, building a boat when there was no rain. Hell is the second death. This world isn’t our final home. Believe in our Lord Yeshua Hamaschiach before it’s too late. Study the Hebrew text and ask the Holy Spirit to teach you all things, before you open your mouth to speak against the Lord again. May God bless you with salvation. Every knee will bow and every tongue will confess Jesus is Lord, our true healer, provider, our all in all, blessed hope, no man can ever compare or come close. He is our Creator and we His creations ❤Love God and love others. So simple love 💗❤️🩹He binds up the wounds of the broken hearted. He is the healer of all things. He defeated sins and death, the final sin. 😢🩸✝️🐑🕊👑🙌🎉💯☁️⚡️🔥🥹It won’t be good. Accept Jesus today in your heart as King! This is the prophesied testimonies of the risen King.
Love seems to be the most difficult thing for a Christian to do. Supremacy seems to be the easiest.
Naomi Wolf: “Because lies embraced our whole culture since 2020, and because public intellectuals for the most part did not stand up to the lies at the time, and because many even participated in the lies (hello, Sam Harris); since horrible things happened to those of us who did stand up to the lies - most public intellectuals at this moment cannot address the really important events of the recent past.”
Thank you for this reminder to adjust my subscriber settings.
Love the dialogue. Very professional as always. Disclaimer: I'm a Christian. Y'all mentioned revelations not being about justice, but instead wrath. I haven't heard anyone create an air-tight distinction between how justice is different from retribution. Maybe a future episode could cover that discussion. If I'm innocent, and I let you kill me - what amount of recourse is Just, and what amount is wrath? If God says vengeance belongs to me - who am I to say what is Just? The key, for a Christian, is to focus on doing good and bare only the cross of exacting law as far as is agreed upon for preservation of the public.
Love your show.
Hey Sam I was Like #1000 so I should be your next guest.
How can Sam pronounce Nietzsche that way?!?!?!
Bart has his own podcast now on youtube
Love my making sense time!
I can't even listen to one minute. 😳
I've been going through a Sam Harris phase as of late, and I've gotta say, it's WAY more entertaining when I can see people's faces. All of those live debates are BANGERS, and these podcast thingies feel like a slog. Why not just put on a face cam? I don't get it. It's extra dopamine and free views. Also, Sam is probably rich. Why does he care about forcing viewers to pay? Is he being forced? I feel like the extra exposure from giving away podcasts for free would be more valuable. I know this is probably not going to change. It's a shame. Sam is such a monster of an intellectual. He DESTOYS everyone he disagrees with. He never misses on anything ever. There is so much potential for him and this podcast to grow in popularity if his team/him focused more on what gets more clout rather than what makes more money.
I'm surprised but actually the history of the bible authors is quite fascinating. Ehrman is a very interesting speaker
Bart is kicking against the goads. He is betting against the odds. No bookie when bet on Bart. The odds are too great against Bart.
Bart: I'm willing to bet eternity on my lack of knowledge. I am not a smart man!
Damn you Sam, as soon as it was getting more interesting is when you put up the paywall!! haha. Good move Sam. Good move.
Awesome!
Really would like to hear his take on cancel culture in reference to David Pakman. He often goes after the left for this, but it’s been a very long time since I’ve heard anything about when the right does it. Book banning is another thing that I’d like to hear his take on.
Mythvision deserves more subscribers
Thank you for this conversation - my mum was brought up in the [Open] Brethren in the 50s, south England and so i feel a personal connection to this subject
Incentives work - and appears revelation has a lot of incentives to believe/worship God.
What a fun surprise!! Longtime fan of both these gentlemen - looking forward to this exchange!!
^_^ Beliefs and also diet:
Ha'satan was first a verb, later a noun. The only real significance of so-called Satan is in the Book of Job. There, Satan is a designated tempter, assisting so-called Yahweh ("God", but Yahweh means male, female, and plural). Yahweh kills millions or more and Satan, under Yahweh's direct orders, kills 10 or so. Lucifer means light-bearer, as so-called Jesus said he was too.
Lucifer isn't in Jewish text, it's a mistranslation (one of the many). Hell was added in after Christianity was invented by Romans and started. Near-death experience consensus debunks hell too. Near-death experience consensus debunks religions and debunked material atheism dogma.
So many mistranslations, self-contradictions, misconstrued ideas, unhistorical accounts, unscientific claims, unoriginal content, forgeries, and so forth in the Bible. "Jesus'' isn't even a Jewish name, so it's kinda racist, and 'J' didn't exist back then either.
He's unoriginal, unhistorical, was a Jewish rabbi not a Christian, said he didn't come to do away with the prophets or the law, has no birth records, no death records, no crucifixion records, various conflicting stories of him (not being born on Earth, dying in space by Satan on a crucifix, living on Earth but never going on a crucifix, the last words are three different statements [literally impossible], etc.), and so forth.
On record, Jewish people never did crucifixion, Romans did, and the recently discovered Book of Judas says "Jesus" insisted "Judas" sell him out to cause a scene. It was only with him getting handled by the Romans did he say he was the messiah, falsely, as unapologetic Bible scholars in the great documentary, The Christian Dilemmas (free on UA-cam), have said, and plenty of others have said too.
He was 250 years too late to be the messiah. As well, virgin birth (a mistranslation and wasn't in original Christianity, but added later to compete with other virgin births in religions Christianity copied everything but the Church from) isn't what the messiah was supposed to be, a messiah isn't supernatural. The messiah wouldn't leave his area and go missing, unlike Yeshua ("Jesus") who did for over 10 years. The messiah wouldn't have been against the government, but for the government. So on and so forth.
"Son of God" and "Son of man" are common phrases in Jewish religion. Also the verse, "Ye are all Gods, ye are all sons of the most high" exists, and even "Jesus" mentions that. "Jesus" said he didn't come to change the law, nor do away with the prophets, but to fulfill law, and he was a Jewish rabbi. Christianity and writings of him very oddly emerged 60 or so years after he so-called died, quite so very odd. As mentioned earlier, no records of him being born or having died, and so forth.
The Kingdom of Yahweh is a geographical location on Earth, and Jewish people didn't push an idea of heaven anyways. Many Christians falsely claim that place to be heaven. "Jesus" said, as the Egyptians said way before him, that, "The kingdom of heaven is within you, and he who knows himself shall find it" (kinda sexist there with just "he", but a lot of religions, especially all the Abrahamic ones, have been quite sexist).
Hell being added later into Christianity, to do fear-mongering (to keep customers so that they collect 10% tax-free, against Jewish practices of not accepting money in a "holy" place, and to have plenty of little boys to ***e, apparently), via mistranslations and added Hades from Greek mythology (which Greeks didn even have a Hell).
Just as the laws for suicide and abortion were added in later on in Christianity, but not original at all to Christianity (as mentioned to keep customers).
Furthermore, "Jesus" wasn't even supernatural in original Christianity. So on and so forth. Several mistranslations, forgeries, unscientific claims, unhistorical events, contradictions (doublets and triplets, amongst other contradictions), and so forth.
Many have left their religion after having a near-death experience. Religions were mostly spread by extreme violence and very brutal laws. Religion is thankfully dying more and more each year, according to statistics, and plenty today have to fake being Muslim because Islam has verses in the Qur'an (Qur'wrong… I made that up… lol) and in the Hadiths to kill those who leave the religion.
I'm Jewish-mixed, and like most of us Jews, non-religious. We're the least religious of any culture. Hehe. I'm spiritual and very anti-religion.
:D The Left Behind series sold over 80 million copies. Most readers claimed that the rapture is in the Bible, because of mere stupid assumption. There is no rapture in the Bible. That was a notion passed by Christians in the 18th Century. Lol. That's how he starts off the book. A lot of people think a lot of stuff they believe are in the Bible, and plenty isn't. The trinity, original sin (mistranslation, and "Jesus" even says we don't carry the sins of the 3 fathers before us, that we have challenges, etc.), purgatory, rapture, obviously Jesus isn't a Christian (but the Bible never even says that he is, but plenty of morons try to say Jesus was a Christian), etc.
make them free, I'm poor
_Apocalypse Never_ ... the horror. the horror.
Just one quick note: Ehrman mis-spoke around minute 24 and says the founder of the rapture is John Henry Darby and the name is actually John Nelson Darby.: )
Hey Will good to see you here!
sounds like a great terrible movie - could we not interest Mel Gibson?
For Sam to be treated in the way
Emboldened me to keep going
Never 🛑 stop
This is the sam I miss.
Being thrown into the Lake of Fire is also referred to as The Second Death. Who’d have thought it huh?
Date is wrong in the description. 2023 NOT 2013.
Well... The world isn't getting worse, it's constantly getting better
Two of my very favorite guys to listen to together in one place... perfect!
Praise Bart he's doing the Lord's work lol. There is a God and God is not in Revelations. In fact God is in no writings however sacred, whereby God is meant to act like a churlish human. Those traits are not of God. So yes Bart is doing God's work .. .of disabusing some people of the notion that God is a monster.
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*For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life. For God did not send His Son into the world to condemn the world, but that the world through Him might be saved. “He who believes in Him is not condemned; but he who does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God. And this is the condemnation, that the light has come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil. For everyone practicing evil hates the light and does not come to the light, lest his deeds should be exposed. But he who does the truth comes to the light, that his deeds may be clearly seen, that they have been done in God.”*
John 3:16-21 NKJV
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So this god murdered his son. What a prick. Do yourself a favour and let rationality pull the worm out of your head.
Yeah, no. We decided to do it a little different.
Mmmm.... pass.
Sam should actually debate a marxist sometime
Will admit that I don't normally laugh out loud listening to Sam, but this one made me giggle in a few places - could tell he was having fun with it.
Me too - especially 17:20 and 21:44 !
How about a podcast about Mary , Mungo and Midge.
That was pretty interesting. Certainly learned a lot.
bart simpsons got a lot smarter damn
The abortion bit later on was fascinating.
Yay finally people who love Sam. Everyone on the lex channel was dissing him. Not cool man
Everything has just turned into hero worship. Personally I find the people who come from the joe rogan camp are particularly bad for this. I’m fairly confident the majority of the people who heard about lex first heard it from rogan.
@@gnomishviking3013 for sure and maybe they consider him “anti establishment?” The things people are criticizing him for are shocking though/ such as not apologizing for being overly concerned about Covid at the start or that Kanye west interviews shouldn’t be interviewed. You’d think he was saying actual controversial things
@@The.woman.in.the.high.castle everyone on the internet just wants to be right and fling their feces at each other. For myself I find Sam one of the most grounded and reasonable “intellectuals” but people don’t want reasonable and grounded ideas anymore.
Bart is much more interesting than Sam. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
The Council of Nicaea there was voting. The “ divinity” of Jesus was voted on at the Council of Nicaea. The form of Christianity that is followed today aka Pauline Christianity, was basically created at the Council of Nicaea. Why Bart claimed no books of the Bible were ever voted on confused me. The Gnostic texts were discarded at the Council of Nicaea and votes were casts and the books of the New Testament that are in the Bible today were voted on
Yeah, I caught that, too. I’m agnostic, so it’s not like I was looking to “get” him, but it seemed like a glaring error.
The council of Nicaea had nothing to do with determining biblical canon, which is what Erhman said. The canon was officially agreed upon in the council or Rome bc it was already a fairly popular list. No voting took place.
❤💚💜 Keep up the good work!💛💚❤
I wish your podcasts would be available to waking up subscribers 😢
Finally you had Bart on again
liberal christian hahahahaha
Sam: "Armagett'n"
I would like to see Harry get some guests on that actually challenge his views and I mean guests that can hold their end of the argument ( like his wife lol) seriously let's see the other side of the issue
There is no other valid side of religion. It's like saying, "Let's get the other side who disagrees with gravity."
Oh that’s cool, you can do conversations!
I feel like there’s another guy the audience wants you to have a conversation with :3
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@@BattousaiHBr Bret Weinstein, probably.
Sam should meet with Bret on the issue of the failure of intellectuals.
Which intellectuals ?
I feel like Sam and Lex discussed why this will never happen pretty thoroughly a couple of weeks ago and that Sam explained his position sufficiently there
This is my favorite Sam. The absolute slack jawed awe at the (as he would say) profundity of nonsensical dibble cobbled together to form a worldview. :D