The public seems a lot more open minded than the jurys. Like this year: Italy, Finland and Ukraine were not the classic pop/chanson song and were downvoted by the jury.
I’m happy for Go_A the Ukraine band, they are having a lot of success all over the world, their song was i think the most different and addictive of the festival, it was impossible to forget it after a couple of listening
I think the difference is really that the public doesn't take eurovision as seriously. A song is good? Vote. A song is awful but catchy as hell? Vote. A song is bad but the staging is amazing? Vote. The public votes for entertainment, the juries vote for quality and general relatability, but that's completely missing the point in my opinion. Eurovision is not a singing contest, it's a huge fuckin party, and the public understands that. The juries don't.
@@jonnybuijze1770 That's the idea behind a jury, but it obviously doesn't work in practice. Måneskin, Hataari and Go_A are obvious high quality music, that are a bit outside of the box. It seems the jury is far more interested in opposing innovation and alternative expressions, than look for actual quality. Music is an art of entertainment, so acts like Keiino, Sunstroke Project, or many of the other acts that were catchy, fun, and full of party are still great music. It's not just hitting a high note or whatever. Quality in an evironment like esc is also about mass appeal.
@@justkay9884 I'm not going to decipher every vote cast, but televoting is usually even more predictable than jury voting, largely due to the politics behind it.
Italy's often underrated, Poland has been extremely underappreciated and Russia simply gets spaughtered by the juries everytime they have a chance to win. Politics truly rule their voting process.
I mean I would agree that bringing politics into how you vote on a song contest is not being the smartest but doesn't Russia always get a lot of points??
@@jeremya.9709 Not always politics, but personal reasons top, yes. Polish jury this year gave 12 points to San Marino. Rafal and Senhit became friends during the competition and were posting a lot of stuff together on social media during the rehearsals, they even sang Waterloo together for some reason. I find it surprising, but the 12 points from polish jury just have to be connected with this.
@@jeremya.9709 Politics huh. Like Serbia getting over half of its points from televoters because its Serbia? You really should check the 2000s results if you want to look at political results.
@@rowo2774 Well, for example, as a Polish person, I wouldn't vote for Rafał's terrible performance and I guess many wouldn't as well. And I really want TVP to give us chance to choose the performer, and not choose a person because he occasionally sings in one of it's game shows. In my personal opinion, which will not be actually that popular as my first statement, I think Polish music is americanised very much, and bad at all.
@@esc1zach685 pretty high. People here are talking like the jury hurt Italy, when the fact is Italy won because both the jury and the audience gave tons of points to them.
Poland in 2014 with "We are slavic" and Ukraine in 2021 with "Shum" were such a dope song about slavic culture. I am so mad that jury put them down. Yes, I am Polish.
Greetings from Ukraine. One more interesting fact, I dunno how the vote was in 2014 but in 2021 the jury from all slavic countries gives 0 points to GO_A - Shum. How that's possible? slavic countries dislike slavic music?
@@marinafes which is also sad, in a sense that it’s a MUSIC competition. I loved many of the Russian performances (not too much this year), and would have no problem giving them a vote. I am Ukrainian btw. I hate when people have a mindset of “oh yeah that song slaps, but I hate their country so they’re not getting my vote.”
Me an italian: oh it is great to have the possibility to show our great songs and culture with the world and get those singers the awards the whole europe thinks they deserve The jury: thou shall not
For me, what they did to Michał Szpats (The Polish one) is the worst thing ever in the show. Jury 7 Points.. but from televoting more than 250points. That was a big big mistake and still one of my favorite songs of Eurovision. Also this year, Jury voted so different from Public choices.... Lituania, Italy, Finland and Ukraine...
I remember I stopped watching Eurovision immediately after I saw that he got 7 points((. This was my favorite song of that year. I was like WTF??? I was so disappointed and angry with those stupid juries
So many times Italy, Poland, Russia robbed... If Turkey would be there I'm sure that juries may not vote for Turkey. For example 2009 2010 2011 2012 😕 there were big differences.
@@TaurusGirl22 only Turkey? So many countries has more than Turkey but of course Turkey has so many diaspora too but this is still unfair. So you'd like to say for example, SERGEY DIDNT DESERVED JURY POINTS IN 2016 BECAUSE THEY HAD SO MANY DIASPORA VOTES. Just so funny :/ simply Malta hasn't enough diaspora votes but they always gets more points by jury? Explain to me.
@@oyunaskieurovision don’t get me wrong I love Turkey and turkish entries but it’s biggest diaspora in Europe and the most patriotic one also. Turkey always got for example maximum points from my country Belgium because we have big diaspora and the Belgians got mad and didn’t want to watch Eurovision for that reason. Even if you send shit song diaspora will vote. For example 2012 entry was bad but still got too many televotes from countries where are many turks. So the jury’s giving less points is somehow justified. Russian diaspora votes too and Russia has too many allies so Russia always ends in top 10 even with bad songs.
@@ve8578 no? it was one of the best if not the best polish performance out there on esc. the only person i believe could've beaten the performance was alicja but she's didn't get a chance to perform cuz of covid
@@ve8578 bullshit. It was the best Polish performance, Michał had everything to win: great song, amazing voice, looks and charisma, He was perfect for Eurovision 😌 too bad jury sucks
@@vviku8295 No, his song had very old and primitive style and melody. In addition low level of emotion, so juries didn't want to put this song on high place. Many other songs impressed juries more than colour of your life. His look isn't important.
@@1amino2fenyloetan no? Lol if it was old and bad then why people vited to it? U are just next one hater who want to convince people to your theory. Go talk to trees buddy. U say same thing to every person who said that Poland in 2016 was hurted so much. Always: old style and melody, juries didnt want it to win bla bla bla
KEiiNO, Mélovin, Hatari, Blind Channel, Go_A and Måneskin are the most recent that had such HUGE discrepancies that just ??? You can clearly see the so called juries don't care about the culture, representation and self-expression. And even though Måneskin had such high score from the judges, I can't see any other reason other than their political views and unwillingness to be "the ones that cost them their win" given how it was such a huge favorite, I fail to see why the judges favored them by the music but the only other rock band was given such a low score at the same time. (Don't get me wrong, I love Måneskin and I'm SO GLAD they won, but it IS odd that the judges saw them in a favorable light while Blind Channel was left to dust almost).
I think Maneskins style of rock is more modern and the juries look for songs that would suit the modern market. I loved Blind Channel, it was my top song of the night, but it had a more dated Nu-metal feel to it and lots of people drawing similarities with older bands. I don't think they considered it as marketable in today's music world... thankfully the voting public proved them wrong.
@@kirstyphillips1972 Maneskin more modern? That was glam-rock right out of the 80's. I`d call it AC/DC 2.0 , lol ... it's the opposite of modern but it doesn't mean it's a bad thing. I liked the Song and am happy wor their win, although I liked Blind Channel a wee bit more.
Poland was done dirty in 2016. One of the crowd favourites yet they received a measly 7 points from the jury. What system do these juries actually use to choose what song is good and what isn't because i'd really like to know
That says more about the public voting for these countries no matter what than it does about the jury. Former soviet countries stick together in terms of public voting and italian have a large diaspora across europe. If it weren’t for the juries these countries would win every year and Eurovision would be finished
@@johnnyxrcfc LOL your comment doesn't make sense. Actually the Public Voting reflects more the favorites of the show. The jury are the ones who constantly vote their neighbor countries (eg. Cyprus always votes Greece and vice versa). You already saw what happened to Poland in 2016. Everyone liked the song, but the jury neglected it.
@@rheizelkot7715 well maybe this is my opinion and bias but the example of Poland in 2016 to me shows that Poland has a lot of neighbours rather than that song was good. On the contrary I thought that entry was poor and them only getting 7 points from the jury seemed fair to me. Dont get me wrong there are flaws in the jury but without the jury, only a handful of countries would win the competition and countries that dont have neighbours or are smaller would never have a chance at winning regardless of how good their song is. The juries are flawed but the public vote has a lot more flaws.
@@johnnyxrcfc Italy have a large diaspora across Europe? wtf We just send strong songs that people love mostly every year, when it doesn't happen we don't get that many points (2014 or 2016)
@@johnnyxrcfc Italy doesn't have "a large diaspora across Europe", not more than any other country. And this year, Italy gets most of the public votes from eastern Europe countries, and there are not many Italians living there at all
If you want jurys meaning to have any credibility, there can only be one jury approved by the contest administration, not every country with their own jury, i counted for 222 points given to neighbours or friendly countries, that weren't top7 favorites this year. Countries like moldova, bulgaria, azerbaijan, greece, cyprus, macedonia etc still have the same outcome, as if there wouldn't be any jury. To hell with jury!
Yeah, in the past (before the 2000s) the juries used to be musicians... and I do not mean just singers: people with music degrees who could hear a violin player lift their pinky fingers too much: they could analyze the songs, the singing, everything. But as of late, there are singers in the jury, so they vote for the best singers (those were indeed Switzerland, France and Malta this year 2021), but they cannot judge the songs, and cannot detect masterpieces like Ukraine's techno-folk. AND that's when they judge the singing, because the "let's vote for our friends" crap is disgusting. At least it was not very bad this year: there were many good songs. But Ukraine and France were my winners: they were European traditional music, especially Ukraine.
@@isabelguzmanmiranda5025 idk the specifics of who is in the jury but i feel like most if it is just political the moste obvious example is of course greece and cyprus (there are probably others that do the same) but yeah personally i think we should just yeet the whole jury or make their votes mean less
Sweden got 28 points from Iceland, Norway and Denmark, Norway got 21 points from Iceland, Denmark and Sweden, Serbia got 36 points from Croatia, Slovenia and North Macedonia. Politics exist with the televote and jury results.
@@isabelguzmanmiranda5025 i feel like the chance of it going back to being made of musicians is unlikely. I hope it will so that it can be fair, but if it continues with how it is now then i stand by the two options i mentioned in my previous comment
as a polish person, i’m really disappointed of most of our representants on eurovision although I think 1994 and 2016 were great years for us I’m so sad we didn't win or place higher.
I was watching this and thinking, "I disagree with some, agree with others, but the robbery of Keiino's Spirit in the Sky better be in the first place". Yeah, I think we all agree on that one. I would have upped Gabbani's Occidentalis Karma more, but Sorbal won because the public voted for him, so... Sometimes it is a popularity contest, and the jury calls the attention to the good singers or good songs. But Spirit in the Sky was robbed: it was clearly the best song of that year, AND it had folkloric elements, which is what Eurovision should be all about. Thanks for mentioning poor Daniel Diges. He sang very well (he sings like frakkin' Julio Iglesias), the song was not bad at all... but for some reason, he was disliked. Pity, I think he did a great job.
I find it hilarious to see all these winners in the list. Somehow it's like we're telling the juries "step aside, you have no taste." lol (more seriously though, I remember voting for a good chunk of these.) (Also Sergey's song being 3rd place again made me cackle.)
Every year during the jury vote I see people online just going "what? huh? how? THAT? why? wait what now?" I don't know what needs to happen, but the jury should be comprised of ONE representative from each country who is participating and we move on. The jury vote section is too long anyway. Partly it is very interesting to see the difference between the viewing public and "professional jury", but it has gotten to a point where I don't know a single soul, who enjoys the jury section and their existence.
Spirit in the Sky is such a banger that it became my current "play it on repeat" song along with its groups whole first album, it really does deserve the Done Dirty crown
@@Sunflower-kq6wo because the majority obviously wanted Maneskin to win by giving them 318 points and I respect people’s opinion. Unfortunately, can’t tell the same about (mostly) biased juries who vote for neighbors and ignore countries they had issues with. As Italy received the most points from viewers and Ukraine came second, this is how it should have been in the end. And that would be fair, although I like Shum more.
Juries best know who is the favorite and who people will like and that's why they give some points or don't give any points-concurention. Some of these songs deserved to be the winners. I'm so sorry for Il Volo and Hatari and so happy for Maneskin.
KEiiNO were robbed. In their jury rehearsal for the finale there was a malfunction where the screen went black on two separate occasions, and there was a camera operator in frame once. EBU should've let them record it again, but they didn't. I believe this had a significant negative effect on Norway's jury score in 2019.
The whole time I was watching this, I was just thinking, "Keiino are number 1 on this list, aren't they?" Lol. Absolutely fucking CRIMINAL how the juries robbed them in 2019. But as far as I am concerned, they were the winners. So proud of them!
When I see the difference between juries and televoting, I don't understand why we give juries such a weight in televoting.... Sometimes, the points they give are ridiculous. I'm not pretty sure that there are only professionnel people of music composing the juries, it's impossible! Sometimes, they really have a lack of taste!
Только вдумайтесь ! Польше 🇵🇱 профессиональное жюри (типо) выдаёт 7 баллов, а люди 222 балла - ЧТО? Т.е. люди влюбились в голос и песню, а жюри такие: «Не, вообще не зашло»
Мне кажется, профессиональные жюри максимально политизированные. Зависит от страны, конечно, но в большинстве случаев (например, Россия в этом году отдала 12 баллов Молдове 😤) Кстати, мне одной эта польская песня диииико напоминает зеленоглазое такси?
@@khanser1012 там политика слишком сильно стало играть роль, особенно у жюри, а вот люди в большей степени от этого отстраняются, допустим в этом году Украина от русских людей получила 12 баллов, а украинский народ поставил 5 или 6 (что тоже неплохо) , в то время как жюри этих стран поставила друг другу по нулям.
@@klaus2412 Ну да, если зайди на официальный сайт Евровидения и посмотреть, как голосавали люди и жюри в РФ, то там просто полярные мнения. И это не только в России.
The jury gives me such mixed feelings. It's great that we have professionals within music to judge the songs, but I feel that sometimes they forget what they are a part of. Yes it is great that sings are highly technical and all that, but that doesn't mean that it is good in a eurovision setting... I feel they usually favour safe and sometimes boring songs. Like there is 46 countries that have 5 juries each, bit how is the voting still less diverse. Maybe they should make sure to have professionals from different genres too? Not only generic pop music. However, when watching other statistics about jury and televotes it is interesting to look at the diversity of votes in each year. Like for example, månskinn did get 5th out of 26 in the jury votes which is not that bad, but it still made the difference number quite large. Some years the juries agree more and some years the juries have more even voting.
2019 was the biggest steal in ESC history. I completely adore KEiiNO and would honestly be the first minor to take a COVID19 vaccine in my country (Sweden) just so I can travel and watch them
I think the jury did not trust that the song could be a candidate to win. I don't see another reason, because it was the best song by far and it defines a lot the Eurovision spirit.
@@NSq12 Just looked it up - in '19 there were 41 country - so if literally every single country gave 12 to a country, it would get 492 from both the jury and the televote respectively. North macedonia 2019 247-58 = 189. 189 is 38.41% of available points difference. Sweden 2018 In '18, there were 43 countries - 516 253-21 = 232. 232 is 44.96% of available points difference. So, yeah, sweden would still be over.
@@sla9432 well some people might have that opinion about many songs from Eurovision history. The song i wanted to win hasn’t won since 2009. I dont get why so many people still talk about 2010 as if turkey were cheated. It wasn’t a great song, it only did so well because the band had a big following+ bloc voting. Lena’s song was the favourite of the european people and the juries. Why is this still an argument?
@@johnnyxrcfc What makes you think it wasnt a great song? I still listen to Satellite to this day but Manga’s song was objectively better from lyrics to production to performance.
В 2021 году реально несправедливо,если бы жюри ставили оценки не по политическим идеологиям итп, то Украина была бы минимум на 2 месте,а то и выйграла бы
And so I will remember more about those songs that did not win Eurovision. For me, for many years, it is only an overview of what trends a given country or artist of the country he represents.
The version updated after the 2022 contest:
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The public seems a lot more open minded than the jurys.
Like this year:
Italy, Finland and Ukraine were not the classic pop/chanson song and were downvoted by the jury.
Juries are boomers
Italy wasn't downovoted, they were 4th as voted by the jury. And the 3rd place had only 2pt more.
I’m happy for Go_A the Ukraine band, they are having a lot of success all over the world, their song was i think the most different and addictive of the festival, it was impossible to forget it after a couple of listening
I think the difference is really that the public doesn't take eurovision as seriously.
A song is good? Vote. A song is awful but catchy as hell? Vote. A song is bad but the staging is amazing? Vote.
The public votes for entertainment, the juries vote for quality and general relatability, but that's completely missing the point in my opinion. Eurovision is not a singing contest, it's a huge fuckin party, and the public understands that. The juries don't.
@@jonnybuijze1770 That's the idea behind a jury, but it obviously doesn't work in practice. Måneskin, Hataari and Go_A are obvious high quality music, that are a bit outside of the box. It seems the jury is far more interested in opposing innovation and alternative expressions, than look for actual quality.
Music is an art of entertainment, so acts like Keiino, Sunstroke Project, or many of the other acts that were catchy, fun, and full of party are still great music. It's not just hitting a high note or whatever. Quality in an evironment like esc is also about mass appeal.
**culture and fun exist**
juries: we don’t do that here
bc there's only politics
@@vampire_3 and this is why the rules for jury votes should be changed
@@justkay9884 Haha...and televoting isn't swayed by politics? 🤣🤣
@@TaranWanderer2 ehm why should they vote someone like Finland then
@@justkay9884 I'm not going to decipher every vote cast, but televoting is usually even more predictable than jury voting, largely due to the politics behind it.
Italy's often underrated, Poland has been extremely underappreciated and Russia simply gets spaughtered by the juries everytime they have a chance to win. Politics truly rule their voting process.
The public seems to be much less political than the juries.
The juries should not have any Power tbh
Wtf no, russia gets plenty of points from jury every year.
@@belzebuba i think so too 😅 Idk why someone says Russia get unfair amount of points. Almost always Russia is on high plces or Top3. So...
I mean I would agree that bringing politics into how you vote on a song contest is not being the smartest but doesn't Russia always get a lot of points??
Poland 2016 and Norway 2019 broke my heart and it still hasn’t healed...
I agree, but I will add Ukraine 2018 to this list
Ukraine 2021 and Australia 2016
@@bambooflute2589 australia 2016? they got like 300 points from the juries
@@rhd-_-2854 public broke the heart
Cyprus 2018..
Fuego is my favorite Eurovision song ever, and it still hurts that Eleni Foureira didn't snatch the victory.
Poland 2016 still breaks my heart, he deserved so much better
I wonder if the juries are really professional. In my opinion they're just alliances between musicians and composers.
it's not even that they're unprofessional
it's just poLItIcS
thank god televoting exist at least we can see what people really like
@@jeremya.9709 juries should be reduced to 40%
@@jeremya.9709 Not always politics, but personal reasons top, yes. Polish jury this year gave 12 points to San Marino. Rafal and Senhit became friends during the competition and were posting a lot of stuff together on social media during the rehearsals, they even sang Waterloo together for some reason. I find it surprising, but the 12 points from polish jury just have to be connected with this.
@@jeremya.9709 Politics huh. Like Serbia getting over half of its points from televoters because its Serbia? You really should check the 2000s results if you want to look at political results.
well, televote means( in fact) some kind of alliances among countries
Well, looks like jury doesn't care about Eastern Europe(especially Ukraine, Poland, Russia) and Italy🤔
Hello? Spain. UK. DE....
@@xevi.despertaferro5452 Those countries too, but it is not just jury problem but audience's as well. Audience doesn't vote as much too
The problem is that many people will always vote for their ethnic mother country. That's why these countries always do well in tele vote.
@@rowo2774 Well, for example, as a Polish person, I wouldn't vote for Rafał's terrible performance and I guess many wouldn't as well.
And I really want TVP to give us chance to choose the performer, and not choose a person because he occasionally sings in one of it's game shows.
In my personal opinion, which will not be actually that popular as my first statement, I think Polish music is americanised very much, and bad at all.
Oh man the jury does not like Italy lol I'm just super happy the televoting came through for Måneskin this year
Juries are simply very no fun
Their jealous because their not Italian 🙂
The jury gave over 200 points to Maneskin
They came 4th in the jury
@@esc1zach685 pretty high. People here are talking like the jury hurt Italy, when the fact is Italy won because both the jury and the audience gave tons of points to them.
Damn, jury really hates ethnic rythms and Italy
Poland in 2014 with "We are slavic" and Ukraine in 2021 with "Shum" were such a dope song about slavic culture. I am so mad that jury put them down. Yes, I am Polish.
Greetings from Ukraine.
One more interesting fact, I dunno how the vote was in 2014 but in 2021 the jury from all slavic countries gives 0 points to GO_A - Shum. How that's possible? slavic countries dislike slavic music?
I agree abouth shum, but the polish entry looked a lot like just a trick to get slavic votes.
@@tam8539 because eastern europe hates ukraine ig
@@AngrykK Eastern Europe hates Russia so as whole world 😅 don’t misinform people
@@marinafes which is also sad, in a sense that it’s a MUSIC competition. I loved many of the Russian performances (not too much this year), and would have no problem giving them a vote. I am Ukrainian btw. I hate when people have a mindset of “oh yeah that song slaps, but I hate their country so they’re not getting my vote.”
Even here, Sergey Lazarev is 3rd😅
This is definitely a curse...
I still didn't get over the fact, that Lazarev and Il Volo didn't win😔
I'm so annoyed about 2016 Lazarev, it was such a good song and he deserves it! I do hope he comes back with a song like Take it Off!
@@azan-183 I don't think he will participate for a third time🤷♀️
@@firelady235 possibly, I do hope he will! But I think we will see Senhit for a third time, she is a Eurovision Queen!
@@azan-183 I think he won’t. It’s hard to be third twice in a row)
@@nadvildrake6816 that’s true!!
Michał Szpak’ song was awesome!
Michał Szpak..well true... he deserved so much better...
Finland 2021 🇫🇮 🔥
The funny thing is that these are the most memorable songs of Eurovision 😂
sergey being third again lmao
OMG, I’m dying 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 Poor guy. I just hope he will eventually return and win Eurovision.
@@flaviniaa he just needs to pick another country
@@Chaotixpain Moldova watching this: 👀
@@BiBi-kw3no would be very nice choice
@@flaviniaa I don’t think he will:( It’s not easy to be on the third place twice in a row
Me an italian: oh it is great to have the possibility to show our great songs and culture with the world and get those singers the awards the whole europe thinks they deserve
The jury: thou shall not
Same for Turkey. We sent great songs and they didn't give a shit
Italy 2015 will ALWAYS be a very sore point for me. Televoting showed WHO they wanted but noooooo
I feel sad about GO_A, in semi-final jury gave them 2nd place in final 9th
For me, what they did to Michał Szpats (The Polish one) is the worst thing ever in the show. Jury 7 Points.. but from televoting more than 250points. That was a big big mistake and still one of my favorite songs of Eurovision. Also this year, Jury voted so different from Public choices.... Lituania, Italy, Finland and Ukraine...
I remember I stopped watching Eurovision immediately after I saw that he got 7 points((. This was my favorite song of that year. I was like WTF??? I was so disappointed and angry with those stupid juries
I'm good with numbers, but I won't even start with % ratio there. Around 3500%? It's crazy.
2021 Finland and Italy
Смешно то что Лазарев и тут занял третье место😅😂
Это слишком жестоко)
Michail Szpak Poland классная песня! ❤️ Оооооооо color of your life, ooooooo 😍
We have the same name
So many times Italy, Poland, Russia robbed... If Turkey would be there I'm sure that juries may not vote for Turkey. For example 2009 2010 2011 2012 😕 there were big differences.
I mean the fact that naNga is still a fan favourite after all these years says a lot ...
Yeah, I agree. Manga should have won in 2010 instead of that girl with frog voice who couldn't even sing. Cheers from Poland!
Turkey gets huge diaspora votes from all over Europe so it’s fair
@@TaurusGirl22 only Turkey? So many countries has more than Turkey but of course Turkey has so many diaspora too but this is still unfair. So you'd like to say for example, SERGEY DIDNT DESERVED JURY POINTS IN 2016 BECAUSE THEY HAD SO MANY DIASPORA VOTES. Just so funny :/ simply Malta hasn't enough diaspora votes but they always gets more points by jury? Explain to me.
@@oyunaskieurovision don’t get me wrong I love Turkey and turkish entries but it’s biggest diaspora in Europe and the most patriotic one also. Turkey always got for example maximum points from my country Belgium because we have big diaspora and the Belgians got mad and didn’t want to watch Eurovision for that reason. Even if you send shit song diaspora will vote. For example 2012 entry was bad but still got too many televotes from countries where are many turks. So the jury’s giving less points is somehow justified.
Russian diaspora votes too and Russia has too many allies so Russia always ends in top 10 even with bad songs.
Poland 2016 was LITERALLY robbed oh my god!
Yes, of their dignity and pride. By Szpak's performance.
@@ve8578 no? it was one of the best if not the best polish performance out there on esc. the only person i believe could've beaten the performance was alicja but she's didn't get a chance to perform cuz of covid
@@ve8578 bullshit. It was the best Polish performance, Michał had everything to win: great song, amazing voice, looks and charisma, He was perfect for Eurovision 😌 too bad jury sucks
@@vviku8295 No, his song had very old and primitive style and melody. In addition low level of emotion, so juries didn't want to put this song on high place. Many other songs impressed juries more than colour of your life. His look isn't important.
@@1amino2fenyloetan no? Lol if it was old and bad then why people vited to it? U are just next one hater who want to convince people to your theory.
Go talk to trees buddy.
U say same thing to every person who said that Poland in 2016 was hurted so much.
Always: old style and melody, juries didnt want it to win bla bla bla
Yeah. Sergey is in the third place.
It's just the destiny.
Yep, even here:)
KEiiNO, Mélovin, Hatari, Blind Channel, Go_A and Måneskin are the most recent that had such HUGE discrepancies that just ??? You can clearly see the so called juries don't care about the culture, representation and self-expression.
And even though Måneskin had such high score from the judges, I can't see any other reason other than their political views and unwillingness to be "the ones that cost them their win" given how it was such a huge favorite, I fail to see why the judges favored them by the music but the only other rock band was given such a low score at the same time. (Don't get me wrong, I love Måneskin and I'm SO GLAD they won, but it IS odd that the judges saw them in a favorable light while Blind Channel was left to dust almost).
I think Maneskins style of rock is more modern and the juries look for songs that would suit the modern market. I loved Blind Channel, it was my top song of the night, but it had a more dated Nu-metal feel to it and lots of people drawing similarities with older bands. I don't think they considered it as marketable in today's music world... thankfully the voting public proved them wrong.
@@kirstyphillips1972 Maneskin more modern? That was glam-rock right out of the 80's. I`d call it AC/DC 2.0 , lol ... it's the opposite of modern but it doesn't mean it's a bad thing. I liked the Song and am happy wor their win, although I liked Blind Channel a wee bit more.
Italy in general gets good points from jury’s, maybe not so much like from televoting but it’s always in jury’s top 10
@@TaurusGirl22 except in 2014 (20th with the jury) and 2018 (17th with the jury, 3rd with televote)
@@lillolollo1217 yeah those are also my least favorite ones
Jury Hated Italy Russia Turkey and Keiino 😞
Poland too
Poland was done dirty in 2016. One of the crowd favourites yet they received a measly 7 points from the jury. What system do these juries actually use to choose what song is good and what isn't because i'd really like to know
Poland deserved more points in 2016... that man is really talented
Italy, Ukraine and Russia have been several times in this Top :/
That says more about the public voting for these countries no matter what than it does about the jury. Former soviet countries stick together in terms of public voting and italian have a large diaspora across europe. If it weren’t for the juries these countries would win every year and Eurovision would be finished
@@johnnyxrcfc LOL your comment doesn't make sense. Actually the Public Voting reflects more the favorites of the show. The jury are the ones who constantly vote their neighbor countries (eg. Cyprus always votes Greece and vice versa). You already saw what happened to Poland in 2016. Everyone liked the song, but the jury neglected it.
@@rheizelkot7715 well maybe this is my opinion and bias but the example of Poland in 2016 to me shows that Poland has a lot of neighbours rather than that song was good. On the contrary I thought that entry was poor and them only getting 7 points from the jury seemed fair to me. Dont get me wrong there are flaws in the jury but without the jury, only a handful of countries would win the competition and countries that dont have neighbours or are smaller would never have a chance at winning regardless of how good their song is. The juries are flawed but the public vote has a lot more flaws.
@@johnnyxrcfc Italy have a large diaspora across Europe? wtf
We just send strong songs that people love mostly every year, when it doesn't happen we don't get that many points (2014 or 2016)
@@johnnyxrcfc Italy doesn't have "a large diaspora across Europe", not more than any other country. And this year, Italy gets most of the public votes from eastern Europe countries, and there are not many Italians living there at all
I really sympathize with the participants from Norway in 2019. Thanks for the video! 😃
I was at an ESC public viewing in 2019 and I called at least 30 times for Norway that evening. My phone bill was happy.🤣🤣
Aw I forgot about Michal in 2016 I loved his song, still have it on my phone
Balkan countries, Turkey and Italy are always underrated by the jury votes.
Keiino, Melovin and Francesco Gabbani are the reasons we need televoting.
Hearing Shum right after Yodel It! is an experience I didn't think I ever needed in my life
If you want jurys meaning to have any credibility, there can only be one jury approved by the contest administration, not every country with their own jury, i counted for 222 points given to neighbours or friendly countries, that weren't top7 favorites this year. Countries like moldova, bulgaria, azerbaijan, greece, cyprus, macedonia etc still have the same outcome, as if there wouldn't be any jury. To hell with jury!
Yeah, in the past (before the 2000s) the juries used to be musicians... and I do not mean just singers: people with music degrees who could hear a violin player lift their pinky fingers too much: they could analyze the songs, the singing, everything. But as of late, there are singers in the jury, so they vote for the best singers (those were indeed Switzerland, France and Malta this year 2021), but they cannot judge the songs, and cannot detect masterpieces like Ukraine's techno-folk. AND that's when they judge the singing, because the "let's vote for our friends" crap is disgusting.
At least it was not very bad this year: there were many good songs. But Ukraine and France were my winners: they were European traditional music, especially Ukraine.
@@isabelguzmanmiranda5025 idk the specifics of who is in the jury but i feel like most if it is just political the moste obvious example is of course greece and cyprus (there are probably others that do the same) but yeah personally i think we should just yeet the whole jury or make their votes mean less
@@missrainbowfactory4977 The jury should be made of musicians... they obviously vote politically. It was not so before 2000.
Sweden got 28 points from Iceland, Norway and Denmark, Norway got 21 points from Iceland, Denmark and Sweden, Serbia got 36 points from Croatia, Slovenia and North Macedonia. Politics exist with the televote and jury results.
@@isabelguzmanmiranda5025 i feel like the chance of it going back to being made of musicians is unlikely. I hope it will so that it can be fair, but if it continues with how it is now then i stand by the two options i mentioned in my previous comment
as a polish person, i’m really disappointed of most of our representants on eurovision although I think 1994 and 2016 were great years for us I’m so sad we didn't win or place higher.
well, I guess my country's gonna send Sergey for the 3rd time :D
And he going to be 3rd place XD
@@jan5691 3 times 3rd place that's the magic of numbers xd
@@thezhonya 😂
please don't , i really don't like him, juries seemed fair to me with him :D
Are they really or was that just a joke? Sergey was my favourite in his first one and one of my favourites with scream.
Poland... Michał Szpak... I hate jury :(
Keiino was so iconic though, how dare they.
I was watching this and thinking, "I disagree with some, agree with others, but the robbery of Keiino's Spirit in the Sky better be in the first place". Yeah, I think we all agree on that one.
I would have upped Gabbani's Occidentalis Karma more, but Sorbal won because the public voted for him, so... Sometimes it is a popularity contest, and the jury calls the attention to the good singers or good songs. But Spirit in the Sky was robbed: it was clearly the best song of that year, AND it had folkloric elements, which is what Eurovision should be all about.
Thanks for mentioning poor Daniel Diges. He sang very well (he sings like frakkin' Julio Iglesias), the song was not bad at all... but for some reason, he was disliked. Pity, I think he did a great job.
I find it hilarious to see all these winners in the list. Somehow it's like we're telling the juries "step aside, you have no taste." lol
(more seriously though, I remember voting for a good chunk of these.)
(Also Sergey's song being 3rd place again made me cackle.)
How epic was when keiino got 291 from televoting🥰
Every year during the jury vote I see people online just going "what? huh? how? THAT? why? wait what now?"
I don't know what needs to happen, but the jury should be comprised of ONE representative from each country who is participating and we move on. The jury vote section is too long anyway.
Partly it is very interesting to see the difference between the viewing public and "professional jury", but it has gotten to a point where I don't know a single soul, who enjoys the jury section and their existence.
Poland 2016 ❤👍
up until this day i haven't recovered from the injustice that happened to Norway 2019
It doesn't make sense to include winners in this because if an entry won, by definition the jury failed to hurt them.
Yeah I would've preferred the ranking to be based on position instead of points (like Melovin being 7th with the public but last with the jury)
Spirit in the Sky is such a banger that it became my current "play it on repeat" song along with its groups whole first album, it really does deserve the Done Dirty crown
Ukraine had to be second this year :/
And why not the 1st?
@@Sunflower-kq6wo because the majority obviously wanted Maneskin to win by giving them 318 points and I respect people’s opinion. Unfortunately, can’t tell the same about (mostly) biased juries who vote for neighbors and ignore countries they had issues with. As Italy received the most points from viewers and Ukraine came second, this is how it should have been in the end. And that would be fair, although I like Shum more.
5:59 - WHAT!!! Colours of Your Life got 7 points from the jury?!! HOW!! 😱😤
My Favorites :
I can (UK, 2011) - 6 Pionts
Popular (Sweden, 2011) - 6 Pionts
We Could Be The Same (Turkey, 2010) - 6 Pionts
Lion d'ici (Austria, 2016) - 8 Points
City Lights (Belgium, 2017) - 8 Points
Waterline (Ireland, 2012) - 8 Points
Fairytale (Norway, 2009) - 8 Points
Love Me Back (Turkey, 2012) - 10 Points
Fuego (Cyprus, 2019) - 10 Points
Loco Loco (Serbia, 2021) - 10 Points
Dark Side (Finland, 2021) - 10 Points
Under The Ladder (Ukraine, 2018) - 12 Points
Higher Ground (Denmark, 2018) - 12 Points
Discoteque (Lithuania, 2021) 12 Points
Grande Amore (Italy, 2015) - 12 Points
Zitti E Buoni (Italy, 2021) - 12 Points
BTW Russia and Italy are quite underrated by juries
Very*
They hate Russia because of politics, but why they hate Italy🤔
they are overrated by televoters ;-)
It breaks my heart how Spirit in the Sky was robbed.
Omg you just reminded me how much I loved Hunter of Stars. Sebalter really deserved more, I hope he’ll come back to Eurovision soon.
Spirit in the sky!! ❤️❤️❤️
Italy has won over the jury's bias this year.
Juries best know who is the favorite and who people will like and that's why they give some points or don't give any points-concurention. Some of these songs deserved to be the winners. I'm so sorry for Il Volo and Hatari and so happy for Maneskin.
poor Poland, each time :(
Rafal didn't help :v
@@WielkiSens You cant get robbed by jury if you dont qualify to final. 200 IQ move by Rafał.
@@krzysztofwisniewski8325 that's true 😁
I'm still not getting over what they did to Keiino and Michal Spazsk
still sad for Joci - Origo😢 One of my top ESC-songs and most listened ones! Love from Switzerland
KEiiNO were robbed. In their jury rehearsal for the finale there was a malfunction where the screen went black on two separate occasions, and there was a camera operator in frame once. EBU should've let them record it again, but they didn't. I believe this had a significant negative effect on Norway's jury score in 2019.
Wait, hold up, Norway? Alexander won both jury and televote.
Juries clearly hurt individual and interesting performances. Those ESC should actually be about. Juries really need to be abandoned.
I still watch the song of keiino as a footbal fan that wil say how great this song is!
Biggest robs in my opinion: Non Mi Avete Fatto Niente, my winner 😔
MaNga, The Roop, Fuego, HATARI(!!!), Blind Channel, Go_A.
The whole time I was watching this, I was just thinking, "Keiino are number 1 on this list, aren't they?" Lol. Absolutely fucking CRIMINAL how the juries robbed them in 2019. But as far as I am concerned, they were the winners. So proud of them!
It's fun to see that some of these actually won in the end.☺😉
Love that's there's 3 winners here.
The Jury always want some soft cleard Pop shit, able to be taken in rotation in the mainstream radio ....
When I see the difference between juries and televoting, I don't understand why we give juries such a weight in televoting.... Sometimes, the points they give are ridiculous. I'm not pretty sure that there are only professionnel people of music composing the juries, it's impossible! Sometimes, they really have a lack of taste!
Только вдумайтесь ! Польше 🇵🇱 профессиональное жюри (типо) выдаёт 7 баллов, а люди 222 балла - ЧТО? Т.е. люди влюбились в голос и песню, а жюри такие: «Не, вообще не зашло»
Мне кажется, профессиональные жюри максимально политизированные. Зависит от страны, конечно, но в большинстве случаев (например, Россия в этом году отдала 12 баллов Молдове 😤)
Кстати, мне одной эта польская песня диииико напоминает зеленоглазое такси?
@@khanser1012 там политика слишком сильно стало играть роль, особенно у жюри, а вот люди в большей степени от этого отстраняются, допустим в этом году Украина от русских людей получила 12 баллов, а украинский народ поставил 5 или 6 (что тоже неплохо) , в то время как жюри этих стран поставила друг другу по нулям.
@@klaus2412 Ну да, если зайди на официальный сайт Евровидения и посмотреть, как голосавали люди и жюри в РФ, то там просто полярные мнения. И это не только в России.
This list is *even better* than a list of the top televote songs, proving that jury points and good songs are inversely correlated.
I still stand by the fact the Juries need to be scrapped and I’ll die on this hill
The jury gives me such mixed feelings. It's great that we have professionals within music to judge the songs, but I feel that sometimes they forget what they are a part of. Yes it is great that sings are highly technical and all that, but that doesn't mean that it is good in a eurovision setting... I feel they usually favour safe and sometimes boring songs. Like there is 46 countries that have 5 juries each, bit how is the voting still less diverse. Maybe they should make sure to have professionals from different genres too? Not only generic pop music.
However, when watching other statistics about jury and televotes it is interesting to look at the diversity of votes in each year. Like for example, månskinn did get 5th out of 26 in the jury votes which is not that bad, but it still made the difference number quite large. Some years the juries agree more and some years the juries have more even voting.
that goodbye to yesterday didnt finished higher is a shame
Michał Szpak jest the best
Not me who clicked the video just because I saw Mattías at the tumbnail
Still disappointed for GO_A, my 2021 favourite. They really deserved at least to be on podium.
maNga ❤️
fuego should have got more points from the jury. unbelieveble
2019 was the biggest steal in ESC history. I completely adore KEiiNO and would honestly be the first minor to take a COVID19 vaccine in my country (Sweden) just so I can travel and watch them
Melovin♡♡♡♡
Keiino probably would've won this year's Eurovision if they had been in it! Will never get over how good Monument is!
Thanks god, this piece of shit didnt win melody grand prix
They would win televoting but the jury would probably screw them over again
@@adambransby9199 still could have got 150+ jury points
I think the jury did not trust that the song could be a candidate to win. I don't see another reason, because it was the best song by far and it defines a lot the Eurovision spirit.
I don't think they would be even in top-10, this year is totally different.
Where's the semi-final video so I can cry about Igranka for the millionth time?
This ranking is a bit incorrect, as some songs included here were placed first by the juries
Jury hate Italy, Poland and Russia :c
So many of these are CRIMINAL
So juries hate Turkey, Serbia, Russia, Ukraine well nice
Could you make Top 50 hurt by TELEVOTERS the most in grand final video
I guess Dami 2016, Australia, would be 1st..
If we're going by the system he does (that is, biggest difference between % available points), then it's something like Sweden 2018 at the top.
Nope. It should be North Macedonia in 2019...
@@NSq12
Just looked it up - in '19 there were 41 country - so if literally every single country gave 12 to a country, it would get 492 from both the jury and the televote respectively.
North macedonia 2019
247-58 = 189. 189 is 38.41% of available points difference.
Sweden 2018
In '18, there were 43 countries - 516
253-21 = 232. 232 is 44.96% of available points difference.
So, yeah, sweden would still be over.
@@MiudmonDice ✅
The fact that some songs here are also in the top 50 of most successful songs for a jury on this channel 😅 you can tell anything with numbers.
Time to welcome Cha cha cha to the list
go_a were robbed they deserved 2nd
Ignore the jury votes you get a perfect Eurovision
Michał Szpak 💜Greetings from Poland 💜
I'm really supprised that Blanche didn't get more votes from the juries as her song is they type of elegance they love
I have been asking myself for years: How MaNga couldn't win that year?! They deserved it...
Not really, germany won the popular vote and the jury vote that year so it was a pretty resounding win
@@johnnyxrcfc I think she means that Manga’s song was better
@@sla9432 well some people might have that opinion about many songs from Eurovision history. The song i wanted to win hasn’t won since 2009. I dont get why so many people still talk about 2010 as if turkey were cheated. It wasn’t a great song, it only did so well because the band had a big following+ bloc voting. Lena’s song was the favourite of the european people and the juries. Why is this still an argument?
@@johnnyxrcfc What makes you think it wasnt a great song? I still listen to Satellite to this day but Manga’s song was objectively better from lyrics to production to performance.
the top 5 where so good and number 2 was just great fun
В 2021 году реально несправедливо,если бы жюри ставили оценки не по политическим идеологиям итп, то Украина была бы минимум на 2 месте,а то и выйграла бы
And so I will remember more about those songs that did not win Eurovision. For me, for many years, it is only an overview of what trends a given country or artist of the country he represents.