Everything went awry once that pilot took over. Not coincidence.....definitely suspect. Ohhhh, but, lts everything else, but, the true perpetrator ......
Let’s just say the issue was structural, and the airplane suddenly went haywire when the captain left the cockpit. Let’s ignore Al Batouty’s inappropriate barging his way into the 1st officer’s seat. Let’s ignore the data pulled from the black box. Let’s even ignore his being BANNED FROM THE US just hours prior to the flight… …What seasoned, well respected, experienced pilot DOESNT communicate the issue to the captain once he returned to the cockpit?? I’ve never flown a plane, and have zero flight experience, and even I know how extensive info should’ve been positively SPEWING from the 1st officer once the captain returned.
@@TheSharna23 I absolutely adore your post. You watched the video, digested what we all saw, applied common sense, and drew logical conclusions. What refreshing clarity of thought … not often found in the internet!!
Classic Egypt. The whole country is paranoid about appearance and CYOA mode. I've followed some youtube travel channels and they all say dealing with Egyptian authorities, they are among the worst in the world.
Obviously. Egypt is rife with criminals, cover-ups and fraud... crash was yet another example of why we should always have 2 people in cockpit at ALL times.
Fighting for your father’s honour? He was a creep towards women, a man who was too incompetent to make Captain. Doesn’t sound very honourable. One thing isn’t clear. When he was told he was embarrassing his country, and wouldn’t be allowed to fly any more, was he being restricted from flying everywhere, or only to and from the US?
She believes her father would survive this self-inflicted free fall because he's a fighter pilot. Goes to show her level of incompetence in judging who merits the honour. When all they see are unrealistic scenarios then they probably aren't really living in reality.
@@mercdragons The Captain is fully responsible for the flight. He failed to make an obvious, simple decision in the cockpit. His copilot was left to argue for something his Captain should have immediately handled. If the Captain had acted responsibly, these lives and this aircraft would have been saved.
@@gregadomeit4020 It stands for Diversity, equity, and inclusion. It is a thing corporations came up with to give the appearance of being in favor of diversity without actually doing anything meaningful. Now the MAGA dipshits on the right use it as a dog whistle for racism and bigotry.
I hate that attitude where a person of any non-western nationality commits an act of violence, people throw accusations of racism in spite of obvious facts. The balance of good & evil exists in every country, race, cultural demographic & western countries are racially diverse.
its because racism towards europeans has increase the last 20 years and we have noticed. I am sorry but when you call a whole race the sub humans of humanity then racism will increase in that race 🙄
Well it's europeans that brought that racist behavior and concept to the world and now non europeans are retaliating and giving westerners a taste of their own medicine, so yes for europeans everything is about race and have influenced others to think that way, also europeans are always stereotyping people and nationalities, this is a perfect example in this video, to europeans it has to be a terrorist crime just because he's egyptian
There was a similar story recently where a student pilot clearly committed suicide. The investigation report was extremely detailed - to the point where it was literally scientifically impossible to dispute the suicide (but of course many did including the family). Yet suicide was never mentioned - even once. And anyone with even an ounce of commonsense and the ability to judge objectively knew full well that the investigators who wrote the report knew precisely that as well. But I am not going to mention what the specific case number was for the very same reason the investigators did not use the word "suicide" - there was no legal finding of it being a suicide and investigators have zero legal powers and a specific brief to not cast blame - only to state what happened and how those events caused an accident.
"Why was it not failed equipment or bad weather?".....because the truth is too difficult for you to hear. The reality is that he killed himself and everyone on board.
I always thought that this crash was a deliberate, suicidal act. I understand why Egyptian government officials would prefer to reject the facts, despite overwhelming evidence. I'm sorry for el Batouty's family. I'm sure that he expected that his actions, both on the ground in New York and in crashing the plane, would never be revealed. It's a horrible story.
If I was the F.O and I sat transfixed repeating I rely on God a dozen times while shutting the engines down and completely ignoring the captain, I can assure you I'm up to something pretty nefarious.
Um that relief dude seemed a little too agitated and eager to take over flying duties. 🚩🚩🚩👀 him coming in and disrupting the cockpit immediately after takeoff is a big no-no. Captain should have shut him down. They hadn’t even reached cruising altitude had they? 🤦🏾♀️
Do remember that this is just a recreation. A lot of what we got is just how they interperated the situation when they were making the documentary. It also wasn't immediately after takeoff, rather roughly 20 minutes after. Which is within the time to also get to cruising altitude. The flight attendees don't move around during takeoff or landing either, so it would have been weird if he did infact go up to the cockpit before they were cruising.
I feel bad for his family because they loved him and they're trying to defend him and I really can't imagine what i would feel like if somebody told me my dad killed hundreds of people. But it's obvious that he did do it. He crashed the plane. Horrible, horrible tragedy.
I'm old enough I use to watch these live on tv when they came out. I love rewatching these now a days all these years later cause it reminds me of spending my summer vacations at my grandparents house while I was a young lad in school. Now both of them are gone and seeing these again remind me of happy memories with them.
True. In this accident and other accidents in Egypt, there is never a clear investigation revelation, because they don't want to admit to the embarrassment, so they put more than one possible cause.
Most of there pilots are ex- Egyptian airforce maybe its those that the don't want to embarrass From what I have heard they are a very proud good bunch of fighter pilots.
I'd like to point out that they found 136 sheered rivets, yet the only plane that crashed with a sheered rivet was the one being flown by Gameel Al-Batouti. The family saying there's no way their father would commit suicide, I doubt Al-Batouti saw it as suicide in his mind he was wronged and he probably saw this as him martyring himself. The only strange thing is with the way Egypt is you'd think he'd wait until they got closer before crashing the plane, but I'm guessing he figured it would be easier to bully the newer first officer out of the cockpit then hoping the other relief pilot would leave during their shift.
There should be a system installed in planes that records audio and video for an entire flight that is battery-powered, so there is a record of what goes on in the flight deck
If you could protect, say, an SD-card from the intense heat of a fire, the intense g-forces of a crash, and waterproof it enough for an submersion crash, then that may be a solution. Put one in each the voice recorder and one in the flight recorder. If you have enough computing power, you can put two in each, one as a redundant backup.
@@raanthur3750 If I was to take a guess, it may have something to do with withstanding heat and power issues. SD cards are susceptible to heat, and I'm thinking that an SD's tolerance for heat is lower than magnetic tape. However, they could build a CompactFlash card (won't have as much memory, but the case can be built to higher heat tolerances). But the development costs may be prohibitive. The other is the electrical issue. Quickly pull an SD card out of its socket and you may end up with a corrupted module. CompactFlash are a bit more robust, but still could suffer from the same issues if the power is abruptly cut off, whereas magnetic tape simply stops. This could be fixed with a battery backup or a delay-charged capacitor, but that's also R&D money. So, it is possible to build one, but it looks like potentially nobody will pay for it.
@@ki5aok Yeah I thought it would be something like that. Possible, put too expensive for anyone to do. Just didn't have the knowledge to back up that thought.
@@ki5aok Modern flight data recorders already use solid-state drives - I don't think they use internal batteries, though. If I had to guess, even powering an FDR wouldn't make it record cockpit audio after engine out, since it also has to listen to cockpit microphones that would be powered off in that situation.
i was talking with a flight attendant about a year ago who said she was working with some of that crew on the flight in, before it took off for egypt and she had known them all.
Replication of the event couldn't come up with the same results no matter what they tried, the design of the aviators was made to be able to be controlled even if one side broke, how come the engines where shut off and not brought down to a lower speed to be able to reduce the amount of speed and start to attempt to regain control, also how come he shut off the auto pilot and sent the nose downwards? Clearly this was a game ending mission meant to delete himself off the planet and end others after figuring out he couldn't fly to the United State anymore, clearly that made him upset and he did this
@Jose-hs4vk I don't blame the Captain for that, really, it's odd, but not an obviously bad choice. Leaving shortly after the dude so suspiciously took over is a bit dodgy...
This case is one of the most complex aviation disasters I’ve ever read about. The contrast between mechanical theories and the psychological aspects makes it almost surreal. The struggle for control in those final moments and the cultural, emotional, and investigative tensions make for a story that’s impossible to put out of mind.
Boy the family spokes person is really reaching to save that guys. The night before , way before the accident anything to put time in the way. Don't matter those crime don't go away.
I recall another episode that a flight crew was fired and put on the plane and purposely shot the pilots on board, then resulted the plane crashing. Since the flight crew can bypass the security checks back then, but after that they implemented that everyone has to go through the security check. Sadly it couldn't prevent this incident from happening. It maybe better to fire the person in question when that person land at their destination and taken away their badges and authority. It would have saved lives of the people on board.
It's so hard to believe that someone beloved is capable of delivery hurting others, but all the evidence points towards a suicidal- homicide mission. I feel terrible for all of the families that are in pain for this tragedy, how sad that so many lives are lost and so many more resulted damage by the anger and fear of a single man.
Saying it will forever be a mystery is doing a disservice to the investiagtors. A selfish entitled man who was a disgrace to his country and his country refused to accept the truth of his actions. R.I.P to all others on board. Totally avoidable.
217 souls on board killed? "Zayer is no problem vis zat"? Yeah, sure. Episodes after multiple episodes show how dangerous it is to climb on board a heavier-than-air craft. And it seems to be getting worse as every year goes on. I am an old guy now, but I am not ready to throw in the towel quite yet. Forget it. I will never fly again.
I'd much rather fly by orders of magnitude versus travelling in a car, bus or train. This applies only to the commercial air transport category though. I would not fly on a smaller aircraft with a pilot who merely has a commercial licence. Statistically that is more dangerous than getting into a car. For me, two pilots, each with ATPL, commensurate flight hours, two engines, 40 plus passenger capacity.
There is simply too much of this story: an old h.... pig, a Mubarak trying to interfere. And a family that cares more about the pig's reputation than mourning the victims and showing respect for all these families.
Another rerun of a previously posted video ... I guess Mayday Air Disaster has run out of new stories to feature on their channel. I still watched the entire episode in case I missed something the first time. Nope, I didn't ... ✈🔥
Yeah, it probably is partly for the ad revenue, but it could also be because they've covered all disasters and have to wait until there's another. I enjoy a good disaster investigation as much the next fan of the genre, but it's not something we should be hoping for really 🤭
Whatever may be the cause, we cannot deny the fact that the relief first officer broke the protocol, and entered the cockpit too early. Not only did he break the protocol, but also entered into an argument with the command first officer which increased emotional tension within the cockpit. Secondly, during the dive, when the captain entered the cockpit, the relief first officer did not communicate the problem to him. Both these blunders could have been easily avoided. Especially when so many lives were at stake.
This is sad. The aviation community were not consequential after this incident, otherwise that Eurowings or Germanwings suicidal pilot would have been stopped through new aviation regulations and or measures. The two incidents are similar.
Wrong! He should put it down in the radar shadow and with some switches popped out (FDR/CVR + some random to make it look like shorts). It would be much more difficult for other pilots to understand. I don't expect such a clever guy would do it such simply. Personal issues are normal for clashes between two different cultures. I have an Ukrainian GF, and we had to resolve it as well (and there is just about 2k km between us, but quite a different culture, we have to deal with.
" people with this culture / religion don't commit suicide ". Yeah, sure, a muslim committing suicide with a plane and killing hundreds of innocents is impossible... A few very punchable faces in this episode.
I know right. Although this did happen 2 years before 9/11, and 12 years before social media, so Islamic terrorism and suicide bombing wasn't as globally publicised as it has been since.
@@trawlins396 'A few'. Oh right. So there have been no st*bbings, b*mbings, public d*c*pitations, public h*nging, carjacks m*rders, aeroplane hijacks, aeroplane b*mbings, aeroplane sh00t downs, etc? That's just in the last 25 years. Would you like me to give full details of everything because you are cleatly wilfully blind.
whoever kills a soul unless for a soul1 or for corruption [done] in the land2 - it is as if he had slain mankind entirely. And whoever saves one3 - it is as if he had saved mankind entirely. This is what the Quran says which your media won’t show you while brainwashing your brain . like he said a few incidents don’t make the rule
I'm wondering, was this interview done before or after 9/11? It takes a great deal of shamelessness or complete lack of knowledge about the meaning of the word "irony" to give that answer after 9/11.
Egyptian’s don’t commit suicide, case closed! Look, I see you’re struggling with this. I understand that you believe deeply that suicide is not possible among any Egyptian due to what’s written in your religion. However you need to accept that not everyone is pure and they can make mistakes like exposing themselves at hotels and stalking women and even taking over the plane when no one is around and crashing it after they told him he was working his last flight. So I guess Denial really is a river in Egypt? C’mon man, of course this was suicide/216 murders
Delusion is strong with both the Egyptian and Malaysian governments. They are complicit in the murders of hundreds of innocent people in two separate airline disasters.
Egypt is not the only culture that doesn't believe that its people commit suicide. And it always ends badly. Not so much in this case but it often comes from a place of pain. If you can't admit that people are in pain you have a problem. And no this isn't only an Islamic thing.
This was an intentional crash, i worked on airplanes for the Air Force and now i work on airplanes else where, loose or sheared rivets from flight well annoying to fix unless its a lot of rivets in certain areas it won't crash an airplane
Why do people assume that just because there are mitigating or seemingly exculpatory circumstances, they automatically make a suspect innocent? Doesn't it occur to them that a suspect may deliberately act in such ways and "engineer" things such as deeds and conversations, emails, diary entries, etc, so as to deliberately cast doubt on their guilt? If I were a criminal, the first thing on my checklist would be to do those exact things. I am not specifically mentioning this in relation to the story that is the subject of this video but this comes up all the time. It's not rocket science. It's the opposite - bleeding obvious! There was a recent story of a student pilot who in my opinion committed suicide in a C172 during their first solo (the only person on board was the pilot). People defended this pilot in precisely the same way that people defend the first officer in this video, yet when you look at all the evidence objectively only one conclusion can be reached.
There is a beginning and end for all this. This pilot should have retired months or years ago. He manipulated his coworkers into call him captain even when he was not worthy or officially obtained this title during his tenure. Never be afraid to speak up. Use discernment. Sometimes there are dire consequences as it was in this case. This was very sad to watch
After watching this for the 2nd time, I think Pilot Suicide could be a possible cause of this accident and the only reason that i think is the co-pilot was depressed. I agree with NTSB btw. Maybe the Egyptian Government doesn't understand much about Aviation and it did prove that again by EgyptAir Flight 804 in 2016.
Makes perfect sense to tell a pilot he's fired right before his last flight duty. What could go wrong?
And he was in debt and wanted the insurance money like the 1994 FedEx Plane hijacking
@@MorsOktober Nothing was stated about "debt" and "insurance". What is your source?
😮👍🏻
@@MorsOktober what debt?
Everything went awry once that pilot took over. Not coincidence.....definitely suspect. Ohhhh, but, lts everything else, but, the true perpetrator ......
His family doesn't believe their father would do something suicidal, all I can say, his family is as nuts as he was.
It’s always the wives and daughters who are so blind to the BS like they didn’t see the same thing we saw
@@leahhayes8256 Wasn't it the son who was trying to defend him on the program?
And if it’s suicide the insurance company doesn’t pay out!
@@ratemisia It was his nephew and daughter.
Both in complete denial.
Very typical of Muslims.
They deny all sorts of abominations in their religion.
I'm not excusing it, but it unfortunately makes sense that family will be bias. Sometimes, they surprise us.
Let’s just say the issue was structural, and the airplane suddenly went haywire when the captain left the cockpit. Let’s ignore Al Batouty’s inappropriate barging his way into the 1st officer’s seat. Let’s ignore the data pulled from the black box. Let’s even ignore his being BANNED FROM THE US just hours prior to the flight…
…What seasoned, well respected, experienced pilot DOESNT communicate the issue to the captain once he returned to the cockpit?? I’ve never flown a plane, and have zero flight experience, and even I know how extensive info should’ve been positively SPEWING from the 1st officer once the captain returned.
Exactly my take.
@@TheSharna23 I absolutely adore your post. You watched the video, digested what we all saw, applied common sense, and drew logical conclusions. What refreshing clarity of thought … not often found in the internet!!
Wow!
the Egyptians weren't interested in finding the cause of the crash, they were more interested in a cover up to exonerate the maniac pilot
Classic Egypt. The whole country is paranoid about appearance and CYOA mode. I've followed some youtube travel channels and they all say dealing with Egyptian authorities, they are among the worst in the world.
Obviously.
Egypt is rife with criminals, cover-ups and fraud... crash was yet another example of why we should always have 2 people in cockpit at ALL times.
literally trying to spout nonsensical excuses for a dude that was chanting that he trusts in god over and over. Egypt is an embarrassment.
@@a1612 you are so right
Fighting for your father’s honour? He was a creep towards women, a man who was too incompetent to make Captain. Doesn’t sound very honourable.
One thing isn’t clear. When he was told he was embarrassing his country, and wouldn’t be allowed to fly any more, was he being restricted from flying everywhere, or only to and from the US?
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@Jose-hs4vkYes always blame someone else.
She believes her father would survive this self-inflicted free fall because he's a fighter pilot. Goes to show her level of incompetence in judging who merits the honour. When all they see are unrealistic scenarios then they probably aren't really living in reality.
@Jose-hs4vk Good point.
@@mercdragons The Captain is fully responsible for the flight. He failed to make an obvious, simple decision in the cockpit. His copilot was left to argue for something his Captain should have immediately handled. If the Captain had acted responsibly, these lives and this aircraft would have been saved.
Didn’t respond to the captain’s questions. Turned off the engines over the ocean. It’s obvious.
There is no doubt in my mind he deliberately crashed that plane.
I thought it was dei?
@Abstract.Noir414 quick question if you could please help me out. What is this DEI thing?? Very curious
@@gregadomeit4020 It stands for Diversity, equity, and inclusion. It is a thing corporations came up with to give the appearance of being in favor of diversity without actually doing anything meaningful. Now the MAGA dipshits on the right use it as a dog whistle for racism and bigotry.
Diversity Equity & Inclusion.
@user-uw2nc7fq1q thank you for the help I hand no idea
Of course it was done on purpose, the man who crashed the plane was about to be fired when they landed and he was in debt
Islam has a lot to do with this decision
@@Christiangirl2828 Nonsense.
@@Christiangirl2828 no way are you mentally ok?
@@Christiangirl2828 I agree with you
@@Christiangirl2828 Sadly it does.
I hate that attitude where a person of any non-western nationality commits an act of violence, people throw accusations of racism in spite of obvious facts. The balance of good & evil exists in every country, race, cultural demographic & western countries are racially diverse.
its because racism towards europeans has increase the last 20 years and we have noticed. I am sorry but when you call a whole race the sub humans of humanity then racism will increase in that race 🙄
I haven't seen a single comment about race. Don't exxagerate
Nationality and race are two different things
Well it's europeans that brought that racist behavior and concept to the world and now non europeans are retaliating and giving westerners a taste of their own medicine, so yes for europeans everything is about race and have influenced others to think that way, also europeans are always stereotyping people and nationalities, this is a perfect example in this video, to europeans it has to be a terrorist crime just because he's egyptian
Well said
From the start of the investigation, we notice the Egyptian investigator tries to influence ITSB away from co-pilot error.
There's no mystery here. The evidence is conclusive.
Seppuku😢
There was a similar story recently where a student pilot clearly committed suicide. The investigation report was extremely detailed - to the point where it was literally scientifically impossible to dispute the suicide (but of course many did including the family). Yet suicide was never mentioned - even once. And anyone with even an ounce of commonsense and the ability to judge objectively knew full well that the investigators who wrote the report knew precisely that as well. But I am not going to mention what the specific case number was for the very same reason the investigators did not use the word "suicide" - there was no legal finding of it being a suicide and investigators have zero legal powers and a specific brief to not cast blame - only to state what happened and how those events caused an accident.
Can't believe they're protecting this piece of crap
Arabs have no honour 😔
@@legitbeans9078 at least we don’t throw a nuclear bomb on innocent civilians
welcome to islam
"Why was it not failed equipment or bad weather?".....because the truth is too difficult for you to hear. The reality is that he killed himself and everyone on board.
I always thought that this crash was a deliberate, suicidal act. I understand why Egyptian government officials would prefer to reject the facts, despite overwhelming evidence. I'm sorry for el Batouty's family. I'm sure that he expected that his actions, both on the ground in New York and in crashing the plane, would never be revealed. It's a horrible story.
Pretty clear the man was suicidal and crashed the plane
If I was the F.O and I sat transfixed repeating I rely on God a dozen times
while shutting the engines down and completely ignoring the captain,
I can assure you I'm up to something pretty nefarious.
Imagine losing a loved one on an airliner, finding out the life altering news, and then immediately having to catch a flight. Stress upon stress.
Pilot purposely killed everyone on board. Egypt just refused to admit it.
Seems as if Al Batuti did that deliberately
DUH!
Is it REALLY a mystery though?
Um that relief dude seemed a little too agitated and eager to take over flying duties. 🚩🚩🚩👀 him coming in and disrupting the cockpit immediately after takeoff is a big no-no. Captain should have shut him down. They hadn’t even reached cruising altitude had they? 🤦🏾♀️
The captain is to blame.
@@melisentiapheiffer3034 ...he caused the plane to crash?
Do remember that this is just a recreation. A lot of what we got is just how they interperated the situation when they were making the documentary. It also wasn't immediately after takeoff, rather roughly 20 minutes after. Which is within the time to also get to cruising altitude.
The flight attendees don't move around during takeoff or landing either, so it would have been weird if he did infact go up to the cockpit before they were cruising.
So sad, El Batuti intentionally crashed this plane, thereby killing all those precious innocent souls on the plane. So very, very sad 😢😢😢
@@oluseyiawokoya9889 it's called Al Batuti
that guy is a murderer. i do not care what religion he is. denying it is an insult to the victims, and to the pilot who fought to prevent this
the First Officer is a murderer of Egyptair Flight 990
Amazing how blinded some can be by personal and religious feelings. That's sad.
That’s Islam for you.
Read the Quran, it’s diabolical. As is their fake prophet, Muhammad.
This one is utterly fascinating, the organizational culture of this pilot group. And the fact that he was left alone at the controls.
I feel bad for his family because they loved him and they're trying to defend him and I really can't imagine what i would feel like if somebody told me my dad killed hundreds of people.
But it's obvious that he did do it. He crashed the plane. Horrible, horrible tragedy.
Who else loves these!❤
i do. But they keep uploading the same episodes
what a dumb question..... everyone who watches
Our mothers?
@@TyphoidMarcus probably because they haven't made a new episode on tv in years?
I'm old enough I use to watch these live on tv when they came out. I love rewatching these now a days all these years later cause it reminds me of spending my summer vacations at my grandparents house while I was a young lad in school. Now both of them are gone and seeing these again remind me of happy memories with them.
How airlines crash
American Airlines: Structural failure
Garuda Indonesia: Careless crew/airline/airport
Egyptair: Two possibilities and causes
Radical muslims flying a plane. What could possibly go wrong?
True. In this accident and other accidents in Egypt, there is never a clear investigation revelation, because they don't want to admit to the embarrassment, so they put more than one possible cause.
Most of there pilots are ex- Egyptian airforce maybe its those that the don't want to embarrass
From what I have heard they are a very proud good bunch of fighter pilots.
Yeah nevermind.
There's something fishy about this, the fact that the FIB got involved speaks volumes.
The Federal Investigation Bureau?
The murderous pilot's daughter was talking like there had never been any investigations into the crash.
It's ridiculous that they even humored the "mechanical accident" idea after all the evidence made it obvious what happened.
I'd like to point out that they found 136 sheered rivets, yet the only plane that crashed with a sheered rivet was the one being flown by Gameel Al-Batouti. The family saying there's no way their father would commit suicide, I doubt Al-Batouti saw it as suicide in his mind he was wronged and he probably saw this as him martyring himself. The only strange thing is with the way Egypt is you'd think he'd wait until they got closer before crashing the plane, but I'm guessing he figured it would be easier to bully the newer first officer out of the cockpit then hoping the other relief pilot would leave during their shift.
Scary to think that if the captain didn't leave to go to the toilet... this mightve not happened... 😢
Egypt experts were on denial.
Never tell the truth, culture of secrecy
The Mystery Is Why I Watch These 🧐
Because they are awesome. Too many reposts but awesome nonetheless
Because it’s interesting
There should be a system installed in planes that records audio and video for an entire flight that is battery-powered, so there is a record of what goes on in the flight deck
If you could protect, say, an SD-card from the intense heat of a fire, the intense g-forces of a crash, and waterproof it enough for an submersion crash, then that may be a solution. Put one in each the voice recorder and one in the flight recorder. If you have enough computing power, you can put two in each, one as a redundant backup.
There's a reason it's not a thing. Be it impossible to do somehow, money, etc.
@@raanthur3750 If I was to take a guess, it may have something to do with withstanding heat and power issues. SD cards are susceptible to heat, and I'm thinking that an SD's tolerance for heat is lower than magnetic tape. However, they could build a CompactFlash card (won't have as much memory, but the case can be built to higher heat tolerances). But the development costs may be prohibitive.
The other is the electrical issue. Quickly pull an SD card out of its socket and you may end up with a corrupted module. CompactFlash are a bit more robust, but still could suffer from the same issues if the power is abruptly cut off, whereas magnetic tape simply stops. This could be fixed with a battery backup or a delay-charged capacitor, but that's also R&D money.
So, it is possible to build one, but it looks like potentially nobody will pay for it.
@@ki5aok Yeah I thought it would be something like that. Possible, put too expensive for anyone to do. Just didn't have the knowledge to back up that thought.
@@ki5aok Modern flight data recorders already use solid-state drives - I don't think they use internal batteries, though. If I had to guess, even powering an FDR wouldn't make it record cockpit audio after engine out, since it also has to listen to cockpit microphones that would be powered off in that situation.
i was talking with a flight attendant about a year ago who said she was working with some of that crew on the flight in, before it took off for egypt and she had known them all.
And?
@@trawlins396the comment we needed
What did she say about Al Batouti?
Replication of the event couldn't come up with the same results no matter what they tried, the design of the aviators was made to be able to be controlled even if one side broke, how come the engines where shut off and not brought down to a lower speed to be able to reduce the amount of speed and start to attempt to regain control, also how come he shut off the auto pilot and sent the nose downwards? Clearly this was a game ending mission meant to delete himself off the planet and end others after figuring out he couldn't fly to the United State anymore, clearly that made him upset and he did this
@Jose-hs4vk I don't blame the Captain for that, really, it's odd, but not an obviously bad choice. Leaving shortly after the dude so suspiciously took over is a bit dodgy...
I can see ur point but in these countries the social dynamics are all about fear and honor, theres little room for rational thinking@Jose-hs4vk
This case is one of the most complex aviation disasters I’ve ever read about. The contrast between mechanical theories and the psychological aspects makes it almost surreal. The struggle for control in those final moments and the cultural, emotional, and investigative tensions make for a story that’s impossible to put out of mind.
Boy the family spokes person is really reaching to save that guys. The night before , way before the accident anything to put time in the way. Don't matter those crime don't go away.
Well, you tell a pilot who is already frustrated he won't fly again. Of course, that's good news.
This waa no accident. It was deliberate and intentional.
This series of rerun reminds me to watch these air disaster videos once again to learn and revisit something
Me and you both
Considering that the FDR recorded what happened, it was likely a deliberate action regardless.
I recall another episode that a flight crew was fired and put on the plane and purposely shot the pilots on board, then resulted the plane crashing. Since the flight crew can bypass the security checks back then, but after that they implemented that everyone has to go through the security check. Sadly it couldn't prevent this incident from happening. It maybe better to fire the person in question when that person land at their destination and taken away their badges and authority. It would have saved lives of the people on board.
I saw that episode. That man had just gotten fired as well.
It's so hard to believe that someone beloved is capable of delivery hurting others, but all the evidence points towards a suicidal- homicide mission. I feel terrible for all of the families that are in pain for this tragedy, how sad that so many lives are lost and so many more resulted damage by the anger and fear of a single man.
FO was a nutcase.
would be good to say at the beggining of the video WHEN this event happened
Tawakkal tu Alallah means i depend on Allah which can be said in all situation be it sad,happy, difficult not only in good time
That captain definitely did it. What a evil human and Egypt just wanted to cover it up.
If he wasn't part of the crew why did he insist to be the first officer on a journey he was not planned for?
I watched this right before my flight. Big mistake
😂😂😂 Bon voyage
Just like the guy from German Wings now that was Crazy 🙃🙃🙃🙃!
But that was solved because the wreckage was located. MH370 has never been found and maybe never will be.
A deranged, narcissist pilot takes innocent lives. Very sad !
I really respect the real captain ❤
theres no mystery, Mr Batouty is guilty to his grave
i never wanted to learn arabic until i heard the guy at 33:45 teaching it - now i want to learn arabic but just from him
With great power comes great responsibility
Thank you Spiderman
Saying it will forever be a mystery is doing a disservice to the investiagtors. A selfish entitled man who was a disgrace to his country and his country refused to accept the truth of his actions. R.I.P to all others on board. Totally avoidable.
Did the first officer just say "allahu akbar" at 00:30 ?
@@jgoodgood7795 yes
217 souls on board killed? "Zayer is no problem vis zat"? Yeah, sure. Episodes after multiple episodes show how dangerous it is to climb on board a heavier-than-air craft. And it seems to be getting worse as every year goes on. I am an old guy now, but I am not ready to throw in the towel quite yet. Forget it. I will never fly again.
still the safest form of transport by a mile and ur opinion aint changin anything
@@V1Fleetz There's literally hundreds of thousands of take offs and landings every day all over the world without incident.
I won't fly anymore either. It's Russian Roulette.
@@V1Fleetzwrong! The safest and the most ancient transportation has always been cruise ship transport, and that is not an opinion, its a fact
I'd much rather fly by orders of magnitude versus travelling in a car, bus or train. This applies only to the commercial air transport category though. I would not fly on a smaller aircraft with a pilot who merely has a commercial licence. Statistically that is more dangerous than getting into a car. For me, two pilots, each with ATPL, commensurate flight hours, two engines, 40 plus passenger capacity.
"This is a simple air crash"😅nephew really trying his best.
Hey it IS simple. The dude crashed the plane.
we could see that egypt was trying so hard to cover the F.O suicidal decision 😂
He committed suicide
“…and took 200+ with him, as an act of revenge…”
That crash made no sense.
There is simply too much of this story: an old h.... pig, a Mubarak trying to interfere. And a family that cares more about the pig's reputation than mourning the victims and showing respect for all these families.
The terror that he caused these innocent people is beyond forgiveness.
9 min into the video and I already deducted it was deliberate. Smh
Another rerun of a previously posted video ... I guess Mayday Air Disaster has run out of new stories to feature on their channel. I still watched the entire episode in case I missed something the first time. Nope, I didn't ... ✈🔥
Many channels started doing this.
Recycling for ad revenue.
Yeah, it probably is partly for the ad revenue, but it could also be because they've covered all disasters and have to wait until there's another. I enjoy a good disaster investigation as much the next fan of the genre, but it's not something we should be hoping for really 🤭
You're free to pay for additional episodes. They're all on Prime.
@@trawlins396 Why don't you trawl off and mind your own business. This is public platform and as far I'm aware free speech is still a human right.
@@The_Viking_Highlander I wasnt talking to you Karen
I think they called him captain out of sarcasm and he took it seriously or wanted to take out everyone who made fun of him.
@Jose-hs4vkso what? he would have delayed the murderer for 4 hours
i think he flew it into the water on purpose.
@@kiltedvet420 good thing you don’t get paid to think
Whatever may be the cause, we cannot deny the fact that the relief first officer broke the protocol, and entered the cockpit too early. Not only did he break the protocol, but also entered into an argument with the command first officer which increased emotional tension within the cockpit. Secondly, during the dive, when the captain entered the cockpit, the relief first officer did not communicate the problem to him. Both these blunders could have been easily avoided. Especially when so many lives were at stake.
They were not blunders, they were deliberate.
I had two family members on this flight. We all know what happened here .....
This is sad. The aviation community were not consequential after this incident, otherwise that Eurowings or Germanwings suicidal pilot would have been stopped through new aviation regulations and or measures. The two incidents are similar.
Why did it take the Lufthansa suicide incident in 2012 to implement the not being alone rule on cockpit? Why not after this incident?
Shameless family
Wrong!
He should put it down in the radar shadow and with some switches popped out (FDR/CVR + some random to make it look like shorts). It would be much more difficult for other pilots to understand.
I don't expect such a clever guy would do it such simply.
Personal issues are normal for clashes between two different cultures. I have an Ukrainian GF, and we had to resolve it as well (and there is just about 2k km between us, but quite a different culture, we have to deal with.
"The most controversial flight" IDK... TWA800 is a more controversial flight than this one.
Agreed.
This was is clear cut- suicide mission.
TWA Imo, was a cover up.
TWA 800 is fully understood and documented in the NTSB reports.
You just need some common sense to know that the captain crashed that plane.
I'm sorry for the Egyptiptian women who according to this seemingly are not allowed to object when a filthy old man want's to buy her.........
" people with this culture / religion don't commit suicide ". Yeah, sure, a muslim committing suicide with a plane and killing hundreds of innocents is impossible... A few very punchable faces in this episode.
I know right. Although this did happen 2 years before 9/11, and 12 years before social media, so Islamic terrorism and suicide bombing wasn't as globally publicised as it has been since.
A few incidents don't make the rule..
@@trawlins396 'A few'. Oh right. So there have been no st*bbings, b*mbings, public d*c*pitations, public h*nging, carjacks m*rders, aeroplane hijacks, aeroplane b*mbings, aeroplane sh00t downs, etc? That's just in the last 25 years. Would you like me to give full details of everything because you are cleatly wilfully blind.
whoever kills a soul unless for a soul1 or for corruption [done] in the land2 - it is as if he had slain mankind entirely. And whoever saves one3 - it is as if he had saved mankind entirely.
This is what the Quran says which your media won’t show you while brainwashing your brain .
like he said a few incidents don’t make the rule
I'm wondering, was this interview done before or after 9/11? It takes a great deal of shamelessness or complete lack of knowledge about the meaning of the word "irony" to give that answer after 9/11.
Egyptian’s don’t commit suicide, case closed!
Look, I see you’re struggling with this. I understand that you believe deeply that suicide is not possible among any Egyptian due to what’s written in your religion. However you need to accept that not everyone is pure and they can make mistakes like exposing themselves at hotels and stalking women and even taking over the plane when no one is around and crashing it after they told him he was working his last flight.
So I guess Denial really is a river in Egypt? C’mon man, of course this was suicide/216 murders
Delusion is strong with both the Egyptian and Malaysian governments. They are complicit in the murders of hundreds of innocent people in two separate airline disasters.
“…unless they’re named Cleopatra, eh?”
Egypt is not the only culture that doesn't believe that its people commit suicide. And it always ends badly. Not so much in this case but it often comes from a place of pain. If you can't admit that people are in pain you have a problem. And no this isn't only an Islamic thing.
This was an intentional crash, i worked on airplanes for the Air Force and now i work on airplanes else where, loose or sheared rivets from flight well annoying to fix unless its a lot of rivets in certain areas it won't crash an airplane
Why do people assume that just because there are mitigating or seemingly exculpatory circumstances, they automatically make a suspect innocent? Doesn't it occur to them that a suspect may deliberately act in such ways and "engineer" things such as deeds and conversations, emails, diary entries, etc, so as to deliberately cast doubt on their guilt? If I were a criminal, the first thing on my checklist would be to do those exact things. I am not specifically mentioning this in relation to the story that is the subject of this video but this comes up all the time. It's not rocket science. It's the opposite - bleeding obvious! There was a recent story of a student pilot who in my opinion committed suicide in a C172 during their first solo (the only person on board was the pilot). People defended this pilot in precisely the same way that people defend the first officer in this video, yet when you look at all the evidence objectively only one conclusion can be reached.
You're in denial if you think this wasn't deliberate. Get it? Denial?
Was I see it was deliberate, it's was crime!!!
whats scary is there is a full on tv show that can be made 1 episode about a plane crash :S
I'm wondering if the the recently trained military could be a factor? As a target?
This is what the Egyptians are claiming
No
You mean the Jews did it?
There is a beginning and end for all this. This pilot should have retired months or years ago. He manipulated his coworkers into call him captain even when he was not worthy or officially obtained this title during his tenure. Never be afraid to speak up. Use discernment. Sometimes there are dire consequences as it was in this case. This was very sad to watch
Suicidal Muslim pilot who committed mass homicide or Suicidal Muslim pilot who committed mass homicide? You decide.
The only faulty thing on this flight was captain El Batuties mind !
What's the name of the narrator?
Maynard Day
Lol 😆
So please why didn’t the young pilot in the cockpit originally didn't go back there?
Whats that dude talking about, that culture does not commit suicide. ??? thats all they do?
I know right. Like the Nazi's, Muslims genuinely think that they are the master race and everyone else is disposable.
That's not true at all. Educate yourself. 🤦
@@trawlins396 11th September 2001 ring any bells?
@@The_Viking_Highlanderyou’re just brainwashed
@@AhmedMahmoud-rq5eo 🤣🤣🤣Says the muslim? 🤣 Yeah right 🤣
After watching this for the 2nd time, I think Pilot Suicide could be a possible cause of this accident and the only reason that i think is the co-pilot was depressed. I agree with NTSB btw. Maybe the Egyptian Government doesn't understand much about Aviation and it did prove that again by EgyptAir Flight 804 in 2016.
Watching from South Africa 🇿🇦.
Me and you both
ja datt bringt auch watt !!! mit 2 Händen den Gashebel drücken !!! yes, that helps too!!! press the throttle with two hands!!!
When was there ever “zero gravity”?