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- Опубліковано 21 вер 2020
- You asked and we listened! Ryan Muckenhirn joins Jimmy and Mark to discuss the almighty .338 Lapua. What is it, where did it come from, what makes it so special, and how has it developed a nearly made-of-unicorn-dust status in shooter’s eyes? On top of that, we touch briefly on the .338 Norma Mag and how the 6.5 creed has very likely been the reason we see fewer commercial .338 Lapua offerings on the market today?!
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From a finnish standpoint it is nice to hear that our engieering in arms production is appreciated. Your winchester .308 and the nato version are two of the most used cartridges in my country. About 50 000 moose meet their maker by a hit of a .308 winchester on a yearly basis
No one here in the US would believe you on that moose figure, or they’ll start in with the “they’re smaller over there” (like they’re certain they’re gonna shoot the new world record or something).
What bullet, and at what distance are y’all usually shooting Alces alces? And how many shots taken? I take my .308 out moose hunting her in Alaska, but the moose have won every time so far.
@@509Gman Yeah i know it sounds a lot but it is just an yearly average. Last years moose kill count was 58219 heads. We have to keep the population down because they cause a lot of car crashes and deaths. I myself am a bowhunter but the shooting distances that i have personally seen are from 22 to 110 yards and the cartridges that lot of my friends use are the sako hammerhead 308 win 11.7g and lapua naturalis 308 win 11g. The hammerhead is a heavy hitter but wastes a lot of meat if you get a poor shot. Male moose weight in finland averages from 480 to 700 kilograms.
The 308 is an excellent cartridge, its not surprising its well respected abroad. What rifles are most prevalent in Finland?
@@greatlakespowerstrokefx4 Yes the 308 is extremely versatile and the cartridge is also used by finnish defence forces in their RK62 and RK95 ak variant service rifles. I'm mainly a bowhunter and i rarely use anything bigger than .22lr. But a lot of people use rifles made by tikka, sako and valmet. Also the new takedown version of lynx td15 straight pull bolt action rifle and the new blazer R8 are very popular.
@@greatlakespowerstrokefx4 But if i had to name one rifle that i see the most in the woods, it would pobably be the tikka T3 / T3x. It is well made, cheap (the T3 lite is under 1000$) and all around a good hunting rifle.
I have found the 338 Lapua is just the right size for North American woodchucks.
lol yeah I would say so. 338 Lapua for a groundhog? overkill maybe
I take it you hunt some very large woodchucks !
Not much left to clean. LOL.
Nothing but a red mist left... lol 😂
Well he aint chuckin wood any more
Another vote for a full length podcast all about A.I. Cartridges.
I own the ruger precision 338 lapua. It's a magical beast no doubt.
Was the muzzle brake on yours indexed off kilter by chance?
@@TheIamfrustrated I bought mine 2 years ago and mine was fine
i got the savage precision version. there's something special about shooting it
I've got an Accuracy International AXSR in .338 lapua magnum.
I homeload the Hornady A-tip.
@@TheIamfrustrated yes, about 7*
Would love to hear about a full length episode on the AI's and a different episode on the Nosler family of cartridges
Yes
Yes I always wanted to know about Nosler
.338 lapua is a great squirrel hunting caliber
Nah, it’s better used on rabbits.
😂😂😂😂
Great choice for if you want to hit them a mile away for sure. Also saves you walking all that distance to collect it, as there's nothing to collect.
@@gpearce11 .338 for squirrel is almost launching nuke. Mercy...
What squirrel? 😆
I would love to see one on the 280 Remington
An episode on the 280 Remington and it’s child the 280 AI would be a great episode.
Yes.
The 338 Lapua is the new fantasy round for shooting to a mile, by people who don't make it out past 600.
I agree. It’s funny how you these young kids buy these and make a video of them shooting to a mile. I’m like great it’s doing what it’s designed to do. I had no problem hitting a 12” plate at a mile with my .308. You want impress me with a .338 hit a 12” plate at 3k
"No problem hitting a 12" target at 1 mile with a 308"..... now that's a fantasy
@@chrissmith2444 😄 right!
Lol this man must have a 1 mile long wind tunnel to shoot in with that 308
I know a guy who retired an enemy combatant officer at a little under a click once...., with a single cold barrel shot.
Let’s definitely hear an Ackley episode!!
Love these talks, very informative! Would yall be up for doing one on the .416 Barrett?
I have a 340 weatherby I had built about 30 years ago on a Rem 700 action with a match grade stainless barrel and hs precision stock standard weight barrel that I had magnaported. Worked up hand loads with 250 nosler partition until tight extraction and ejector marks.3100 FPS over the Ohler chronograph, To hot. Backed the charge off to 2950 fps, safe load. During load development I would take headache pills before I would shoot 30 or 40 rounds. The Magnaporting helped big time with the recoil, before that my trigger finger and second finger would be swollen and sore from the trigger guard and right cheek bruised from muzzle climb. Problem with a powerful standard weight rifle like this is to shoot it a lot takes a lot of money and a strong constitution! On the other hand when you’re seeing a lot of grizzly sign or you want to shoot something large at long range it definitely instills confidence.
great comment man, and 250@2950 fps is very close to old weatherby ballistic charts 250@3000 fps and very close to 5000 ft p of energy!! at tht load , it really wacks one's shoulder if i d have to guess ("do u really have to guess" David Carradine to sophie in Kill Bill) lol....
the .338 lapua has still bigger case volume than .340 wby, but performance vice i reckon their the same level....any .33¨s capable of launching 250 ¨s@ 3000 (or very close to) is just friggin awesome power right there!
perhaps i will upgrade my .300 wby to .340 wby in near future, and handload as to get to 2960-3000 fps with 250 gr.pills!! if possible and safe...
The information about the 338 Lapua was very informative and greatly appreciated. A lot of this I hadn't heard of in any discussion. Thanks again.
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The cartridge talk podcasts are my favorite. In previous talks the 22 hornet was mentioned but I would like to hear more about it.
Stumbled upon this today as I am the proud new (but second physical) owner of an Armalite AR30 in .338. This was such an informative and enjoyable segment. Thank you
We're glad you found it helpful :)
My C.A. Mesa Long Range in 338LM worked like magic on a solid bull elk at 655yds this year, 270gr eldx at 2865fps. Bull turned around, took 3 steps and landed on his face, all done.
A few years back I shot a 2 point elk at about 300. It hit a little back and left a great blood trail in the waist deep snow. By the time I crossed over the canyon, tracked it over the ridge. All that I found of my elk was a gut pile and a set of tracks out to a road near by. I don't know who it was but man they were fast. I don't take long shots anymore.
@@michaelvangundy226 holy carp!!!
@@eaznutts5714
They live in burrows big enough to stop your lawnmower. Mostly come out at night to decimate a crop of cantaloupe. Claws are an inch long and teeth like a beaver. I always have a 410 with 7-1/2 shot for rabbits. One shot at 30 yards. Woodchuck will just get mad and run away. Last year there was a one eyed monster with a limp pestering my neighbors. It was so big it wouldn't fit in the trap. I have pets so I can't use poison or leg hold traps. One day there was a loud screech on the hyway and a car with a bashed in radiator. He didn't know what he hit but it was big and dark. He thought it was a small bear. I just laughed . I tracked it back into my place but lost it in the creek. If it lived through that I'm going to start carrying a rifle.
I have a savage 111 LR hunter in 338 LM. Have had it 10+ years. I love it, I hand load it and if I'm not seeing half minute groups in my 200 yard zero I'm not happy. I have customized it somewhat over the years and reached out to 1000 yards with it.
The Stories after the "10 min Talk" where better than the talk! Loved it!
Love the “fly on the wall” 2nd half 👍🏼 move YT vids should end this way. SO GOOOOOOOOOD!
YES!!!! Finally the mighty 338 Lapua!
Thank you for ignoring the timer: you had me sweating since it was just getting interesting. 10 minutes is about the amount of knowledge I get from a Google search. A half hour is about right. Perfect length.
Could you do 9.3x62 and or 35 Whelen. Most people shoot big game inside 350 yds. Thnx
Just put together a whelen cant wait to turn it loose on an elk October 9 th
35 whelen is badass
awesome discussion on this round .
Love to hear 10 minutes on the 35 whelen or 338-06. The 06 based cases are often overlooked by the modern crowd, but can you get much more horsepower from a standard length, non magnum rifle?
Very interesting to learn this info. Thank you.
Some revolver rounds such as .454 Casull would be interesting with some history attached. Really enjoying these 10 minute talks 👍
Saved my life twice in alaska of a charging grizz
.454 casull makes dirty Harry look like dirty Harriet. By far, my favorite revolver cartridge. I love makin people jump at the range with mine 🤣🤣
Great video! Still waiting for a 257 Roberts episode :)
Own a BK110 love it, also have weatherby .338/.378. Both are deadly on heavy American game. Both incredibly accurate
Picking up my strike eagle for my lapua this weekend. 2 things I love is my savage rifles and my vortex scopes
Well,,,,,,,my oldest son in law has been planting the seed in my brain for a year on the thought of opening my safe and seeing a 338 Lapua in a chassis, just begging to go out and play. Great info guys,,,,, and don't be surprised if you see a pic of a Razor on top of a 338 chassis and an old guy with a really big smile!
I’m an old guy with a .338 with a Razor on top and yes I smile a lot.
Hey as always I love the program I was wondering if you would doing update on the 68 Western When you did it you gave it good reviews but didn't know much about it I would love to hear if other people are interested in it
Would you consider doing a Podcast comparison of the 300PRC to the 338 Lapua? I know it would piss alot of people off, but I think it would be very interesting.
I can be nerdy, too. On the show, NCIS, Mark Harmon plays special agent Leroy Jethro Gibbs. Formerly, Gunnery Sergeant Leroy Jethro Gibbs of the US Marine Corps. (once a gunney, always a gunney.) They were investigating a case involving a sniper and had recovered enough evidence to determine it was a .338 Lapua. Which brought back Gunney Gibbs memories of his days as a Marine scout sniper. In service, his weapon was a .338 Lapua, picked for superior BC.
Modernly, Barrett has made the MRAD system, first adopted by SOCOM to have three barrels and kits. .308 Win, .300 Norma Mag, and .338 Norma Mag.
And then another special branch wanted more traditional barrels and parts and so another MRAD was built with .308 Win, .300 Win Mag, and .338 Lapua Mag.
Nominally, the .308 is for practice but is also could for short distance urban conditions. .300 Norma Mag or Win Mag is for enemy agent interdiction. And the .338 Norma Mag or Lapua Mag is for materials interdiction, such as vehicles, objects. True, if they really want a big round at long distance, the .50 cal may take two people to deploy, one carrying the upper and the ammo, the other carrying the lower Or, they have a Ma Deuce and pray for a hit.
I have read the memoirs of a few Ranger snipers. .300 Win Mag was popular because of the BC. Dial elevation, hold left or right edge of target into the wind and get a center of mass. Except for one guy, who was dubbed the Reaper, and he shot an SR-25,
I chose a 338 LM for more effectiveness on largest NA game at greater potential distances . I was very surprised at the 338 LMs inherent accuracy ! My Savage Stealth Evolution has consistently grouped in 1/2 moa and I have a few groups that are sub 1/2 moa with Hornady VLD match 285 grain loads . Hornady Precision Hunter 270 grain ELD-X is very close . I have some handloads using Barnes 280 grain LRX-BT with IMR 7828 yet to be tested .
Please do the 7mm Rem Mag, compared to the 300 Win Mag!!!
great info on the 338 Lapua. Suggestion for next talk about ammo ballistics. there is all kinds of videos about 6.5 creedmoor vs 7.62x51 (308). but what nobody test or talks about is the expansion of the bullet when hitting its target. So i would like to know more on which is better for expansion of the 6.5 creedmoor vs 308.
Never fired a 338 Lapua, would like to have one though. I know their .22lr and .308 is probably the best factory ammo I've ever fired in those calibers. It's top-shelf stuff.
its a beast but your wallet cries every shot
257 Weatherby is what I would like to see y’all talk about. 25-06 on steroids. Nothing like pushing an 80 grain Barnes at 4000 ft./s.
great video series
I'm really enjoying getting into long range shooting this year. I'm learning a lot. I was wondering what are some good 338 lapua big game hunting rounds. I'm thinking of using my Christensen 338 lapua rather than my Ruger 338 win mag for moose this coming year.
You should look into the 300 HAM'R by Wilson Combat. Neat and capable new round. Maybe add the other 223 based rounds like 25-45 Sharps. I just put one together for hunting.
Also the new-ish Norma cartridges.
Would love to see a podcast on the Sherman Mags. Super High BC 195gr Berger 7mm EOL @ 2950 out of a SHORT ACTION using less powder than a WM.
An episode on .17 caliber cartridges would be cool. The hot rod barrel burner 17 Remington at 4200 fps, 17 WSM rimfire at 3000 fps, 17 Mach 4 wildcat, 17 Hornet, 17 HMR, etc. Its one of the few loadings which can have a heavier powder charge than the weight of a bullet. (17 grain bullet, and 20+ grains of powder for example.)
I’d love to see someone neck down a 50 BMG cartridge to .17 cal, and see what velocities a 15.5 grain round would reach with 220 grains of powder behind it.
Looking to upgrade a Browning ABolt from 30.06 to 338 Lapua just in case I ever get to go to the Yukon. Inherited from my dad, and I already have a 30.06 so I don't need another one. The 338 will give me more knockdown up close and extend my range just in case I need it. Recoil is manageable under hunting conditions and I can use a lead sled at the range !!
280 Rem/280 AI are what IMO dream are made of!!! Would be a GREAt 10min (and much, much more) talk!!!!
Love to hear more about the 6.5 55 ,
260 rem ,303 British,22 hornet ,338 fed
Definitely do a full length ackley improved episode. Or a t least a 10 minute on the 280 AI
Why didn't u mention a 338 edge or the 338 titan. The 338 is a 8.59 in metric. I got 7 338.maybe my fav caliber. I have a David Tubb 338 xc an 338 ai. Both in defiance deviant actions with 36.5 barrels. I do have a 338 lapua ,338-378 weatherby 31.5 barrel on a 1917 Enfield action. A 338 rum 31 inch barrel and a 338 edge. All but the edge have Krieger barrel. It's a Hart on the edge. Everyone needs to experience the 338 calibers. I'm getting 3394 with 230 bergers out of my 338 lazzaroni titan with a 36 inch barrel. That's smoking. My edge I'm getting 3294 with 225 barnes ttsx bullets with 98 grains of h1000. No pressure. Love your videos.
Need a podcast about the .338 Lapua, .338 Remington Ultra Mag, and the .338 Edge, as well as the A.I. all in one.
Love to hear about the 270
Win
I was in the U.S. Army infantry school in the 1980 and I was taught the .50 cal was to be used on personnel and equipment
Love the talks! Do 300RUM!
You guys have to get Ryan to do one of these about the .270!
.17 Remington!!! Do it. Very underrated.
So that unicorn you are talking about, I have one. TRG-S in 338 lapua and it has never been fired. Still have the 40 rounds of lapua ammo that I bought with it.
What’s your opinions on 338 federal?
How bout a discussion on the fastest 30 cal,the 30-378 Weatherby Magnum?👍😁
there are some nicer long range options like the .416 cheytec, but the .338 is a great round
I love my .340 Weatherby which uses 20 grains less powder to do the same thing. It does have the belt and weird radius shoulder. The .338 Lapua requires a weird bolt face. The .338 Edge would be great but Remington brass limits it. These medium bores are great for taking energy out further. If you want to have the same amount at a .308 Winchester does at the muzzle at 500 yards, the .338's are the way to go.
340 Wby doesn’t use 20 grains less powder than the 338 Lapua. Maybe 5 grains. The 338-378 uses 15-20 grains more than the 340 but also gives you +200 FPS.
I own both the .50 BMG and the 338 Lapua. Here are my thoughts. The. 50 BMG gun is huge and heavy and 3-4 MOA with military ball or maybe 2 MOA….maybe less… with match ammo. Oddly the ammo is cheaper than 338 LM. The 50 BMG is ultra loud. The overpressure is ridiculous. And, its a genuine liability to shoot as an errant projectile can travel 5-6 MILES. NO range in my state allows them.
The 338 is an ultra powerful precision rifle cartridge. It was designed as a sniper cartridge to penetrate 5 layers of body armor at 1000 yards. The 338LM has a huge muzzle energy of maybe 5200 ft/lbs and requires an effective muzzle brake to shoot it well. However, the 50 BMG match rounds sling 750gr, high BC bullets at 13,900 ft/lbs!!……The only rifle capable of semi-comfortably shooting this round, in my opinion, is the Barrett M82A1………..The .50 BMG is in a league of its own no matter how you want to look at it.
I must have got lucky. I got an upper for an AR in 50 bmg. It shoots factory ball at 1 minute. The blast from it is guaranteed to put a smile on anybody's face. Surprisingly light recoil. I have a bad shoulder and I can shoot 10 rounds no problem.
@@michaelvangundy226 I’d have to see that for myself………the sweet shooting, light recoiling, cheap but 1moa AR upper in 50 BMG. Ha ha ha. There are no .50BMG “uppers”. Your .50 is something else.
@@747driver3
I bought it from Brownells about a decade ago. It's a bolt action single shot 30 inch barrel made by Zel Customs.
@@michaelvangundy226 OK. Hardly a Barrett and No one that has a 50 cal bolt rifle has described the recoil other than ridiculous. It’s your call but I would be hesitant to light off a 50 BMG in anything other than a dedicated 50 BMG rifle. Good luck.
Have you did a 10 min talk on the 338 mag if so I can’t find it ?
Boot Obermeyer in Bristol WI was one of the initial developers of the 338 Lap
I always use to use the .338 Lapua for hunting
Man looking at that a year ago you were looking at a unicorn 🦄 of ammo there. I've always wanted the cartridge but can't find it anywhere so I'll stick with what I know until it become more available.
I’d love to see one of these talks on 308 Norma magnum
Me too
Please do an 8.6 blackout 10 minute talk!!!
I romanticize the cartridge. Would love a conventional stock, 20-22” barrel .338 lapua with a box mag.
Look at the Savage Long Range Hunter, which gives you all of that, although the barrel is longer. But that is easily changed.
Just entering the world of PRS and have been looking at Savage Arms "Stealth" series, but in .308, 6.5 Creed or maybe .300 WinMag. Found a 'brand new', SA Stealth Evo, in a southpaw (a must) at a decent price, except its in .338. I am now researching everything I can on .338. As usual, start here at "Vortex Nation". I am hearing/reading, anything I wish to reach out and touch past 1000 yards should be done in .338. I am also hearing it might be "too much" for a novice in PRS....Interesting tidbit on Lapua .22's, I think I will head off and purchase some right now and have some fun.
Maybe consider their baby sniper round, the 6.5x47Lapua. In certain countries like South Africa, DENEL produces a sniper rifle in this calibre.
Seems like 10 years ago there was a huge 110BA Stealth boom! Hell I almost bought one lol
How often, if ever do you guys check the comments on the old podcasts? Would you guys consider doing a varmitting podcast? Maybe a cartridge talk about what rounds are best? Including barrel lengths? Bipods? Tripods? Spotters?
That would be a pretty neat one to dive into - we'll definitely look into. Thanks for the request and for tuning in :)
How is it for squirrels? I have a major squirrel problem, will this help take care of it.
If I was going to buy a 338 it’d be the 338 RUM. The only time the RUM falls behind the Lapua is with 300 gr bullets
One advantage to the LM is you can get rifles with 10 round mags. I’m not sure if the RUM would also function in the LM magazines. Buddy took a elk with a 300 RUM it’s a sweet round also.
340 Weatherby is almost identical ballistics. Definitely a close contender, what ammo is available for you?
Ammo about the same price
I personally have 2 338 lapua rifles. One is a Ruger Precision (not bad), and the second started as a Remington 700M. Had a master gunsmith rebarrel with an ultra match, blueprint action, replace stock and install a magazine system. Remington actually more accurate at long range than stock Remington.
Hi you need to have a talk about the Rem. Ultra mag 300-&338 cal. I have bout an their high accuracy in the 700 BDL SS rifle is a true 1000 +yd combo's very reliable Great product an USA made
Do all the Weatherby cartridges!!!
How about comparing and contrasting 338 lapua against 338 norma or the 300 win mag against the 300 norma mag
I'd like to see this comparison too.....
How about the .338 win mag?
Prc cartridges? Love the vids!
I think the single biggest reason for the .338Lapua not being offered by most rifle manufacturers is because it doesn't fit the "standard" in terms of bolt face and action length. It demands a larger action which doesn't readily fit a wide variety of other cartridges, and it takes a larger bolt face which also doesn't fit many "standard" cartridges. So any kind of "modularity" as far as the action itself is thrown out the window, and because it's so "specialized" it's kind of only suited for the .338 market and that's not a very large market segment so most manufacturers don't see a big enough return on investment to set up the manufacturing and tooling to make one.
Ruger set themselves up quite nicely with the Ruger Precision rifle as "a step above" the Savage without going crazy on price, and I've seen a fair number of those rifles and people really like them.
I seem to recall something about a no name alphabet agency wanting a long range, accurate round that was capable of penetrating airline windscreens at distance as well.
You forgot the 330 Dakota. It's a wild cat but still a great cartridge.
Please make a 10 minute talk about the 300 win mag =D
Interested to see the Sig-cross 277 fury
Why did the military select the 338 Norma over the 338 Lapua? Also, why is the 300 Norma ignored so much? Seems to be better on paper everywhere except extreme long range.
That's why the 300norma and 338 norma are the USA new contract sniper to retire the 50 bmg
Would you do the 338-378 Weatherby? Nobody on UA-cam has a good video on it.
What about the 338rum? It a tiny bit off from the lapua no? Why no love for it?
any thoughts on the 10.3x68?
Can you guys do an episode on the .338 edge?
How's the barrel life in that load?
What happened to the .270 wsm??
Makes you wonder if its not true brass but a brass plated steel near the primer and ejector collar...?
the 338 Lapua has more energy at 2km, than a 44mag has at the muzzle
"He wept when he opened it up " 😂😂😂😂
Let's see the 257 Roberts!!
Some folks complain about Lapua brass but it lasts twice as long reloading easily
The NAVY could’ve just used the 338-378 Weatherby and called it a day way back then. But budget money ‘has to be spent or we won’t get it again’.
Do 7 Rem Mag pleaase!
My 338 Lapua Magnum Savage, MDT chasse LSS XL