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I despise Jordan Peterson with all my heart. I can’t stand how easily people fall for someone who wraps utter nonsense in lofty words, making everything seem so complex that no clear conclusions can ever be drawn. But what I hate the most is the way he pretends-with his irritating gestures and mannerisms-that he alone can see through the so-called complexity of it all. Absolutely repulsive man.
if this is your opinion your iq is 110 at best. you just smart enough to understand the fringe of these concepts, yet not smart enough to go deeper still
peter son needs to be called out for his rudeness; his continuous interruptions, he's the typical conservative that doesn't want to hear the opposing side, it's another side of his arrogance.
Peterson is not only incapable of listening, he's incapable of thinking his way out of a dry pile of leaves. Harris listens and addresses Peterson's convoluted pseudo-metaphysical babble with real clarity and insight. Just watch Peterson while Harris is responding; you can see him laboring to muster his next complicated nonsensical objection.
You can tell whenever Peterson is about to start in with his nonsense when he sits upright and forward. He's learned it's the best position to release his BS. Here's Peter's shtick... Ask a word-salad question and constantly interrupt as the question is being dealt with. There's no such thing as a "heavenly dome." Rational people call if A ROOF! 🤣🤣🤣
"It's impossible to write something like Cain and Abel. It's only like a paragraph long and so detailed" Let me introduce you to The Silmarillion, where the 40 year long War of Wrath is told in "like a paragraph". "There Morgoth stood at last at bay, and yet unvaliant. He fled into the deepest of his mines, and sued for peace and pardon; but his feet were hewn from under him, and he was hurled upon his face. Then he was bound with the chain Angainor, which he had worn aforetime. His crown they beat into a collar for his neck, and the two Silmarils which remained to Morgoth were taken from him and guarded." Here (in just like four sentences) we have the most powerful being in the physical world being absolutely punked and cucked and maimed and bound and thrown into the void beyond the world and even THAT wasn't enough to completely stop him. And knowing the context of the rest of the story, and how much it means to see Morgoth show fear openly, after all that he's done and he still tries to ask for pardon. How is that not cooler and more meaningful than some dude plowing a field getting jealous and killing his brother before kicking rocks and saying "I unno!" when asked what he did lmao. That's just average life in Kansas. Literally every single meaning claim JP or anyone else makes about the Biblical stories is MORE TRUE for the Silmarillion. JP is lost trying to figure out what Tolkien understood about the Bible and he was able to create his own story that perfectly explains everything the Bible fails to. Particularly the necessity of evil, and why evil must always be more powerful than good. “And thou, Melkor, shalt see that no theme may be played that hath not its uttermost source in me, nor can any alter the music in my despite. For he that attempteth this shall prove but mine instrument in the devising of things more wonderful, which he himself hath not imagined.”
Yeah and the more so since many of the more known stories in said bible are retellings of known stories within other religions haphazardly put together. In the Cain and Abel case: The Cain and Abel story predates the Bible and originally came from the Sumerian story of Caan and Abael who were Enki's great grandsons. It would not surprise me if those stories that do not have a known precursor actually do have one that has gone lost. At best the Bible is much like the Decamerone. Lose stories held together into a story framework.
I admire Jordan's tenacity, how he leans into the debate, his mind constantly reeling and fidgeting for the next thing he absolutely must say and say again, demanding to be heard on every point big or small. The stakes are always high, continuous maximum intensity. It takes its toll. Sometimes, it seems, the audience applaud Sam Harris merely to take a breather, which infuriates Jordan and brings out his worst. What would happen, I wonder, if Sam simply gave up, acquiesced on every point and threw himself at Jordan's feet? Dead wind in his sails, would Jordan finally lean back, shut up and listen?
Jordon Peterson is always on stage, always acting and insisting that he is always the main character. Please stop the buffoonery and start acting like a man rather than someone prancing around .
As a project manager, I’ve had people on my team that communicate similar to how JP does. They are a fucking nightmare to deal with. Nothing gets figured out or resolved as these people will argue over everything to no end.
The Christians were building cathedrals and churches and making art writing hymns and poetry just like the Roman’s did. And the Greeks before them. And the Egyptians before them and so on and so on.
Seeing JP try to rationalize his beliefs in the supernatural makes me question the efficacy of his psychological practice. He uses the reasoning and broken logic of someone who is clearly delusional.
God I wish at some point Sam had just said ... Stop, no more diversions. Why do you keep running away? Why are you doing everything you can to avoid the point I'm trying to make? We are here to discuss, so stop running away and address the point I'm trying to make.
How can the icon of an imaginary author of the universe support one's commitment to truth over fiction? JP is the master of word salad and is no friend of truth telling.
JP reckons the Cain and Abel story is brilliant because it is so concise. Guess that is because he can't answer a yes or no question in 100 sentences. 😅
JP lost one income and found a new one! Shame he has no qualifications to support his endeavour and bigger shame that so many people in the audience clap his every f@rt.
I read that he only eats meat. If so, he is in a state of ketosis, although a moderate one. So he would be light headed and not able to think clearly. I also have concluded that he does not like women, as a group, as well as individually. Also, he does not seem compassion oriented. As Sam Harris said of Peterson, his defense of the Bible is doing some kind of emotional work for him. I think Peterson needs a therapist to help him with his eating disorder and his misogyny.
I think it’s absolutely insane that a guy who isn’t clear about his beliefs is able to think he has a valid position to speak on Christianity and “debunk” the bible to his views and understanding. He’s making things very unclear and some of us are able to recognize this but sadly there are also some who think he’s a genius. I mean, the way I see it is the devil using his tongue to confuse and mislead people.
Are we really pretending that genesis is well written? It's reads like an elementary schooler wrote it. "God said let there be light, and so there was light, and god saw that the light was good. Then god separated the light from the darkness.." This is not good writing.
9:10 Harris questions the authenticity of Petersons beliefs. The cloud applauds. Then Peterson flings a statement to make it look like the crowd is applauding for him. Snake.
@alisonhiggins8459-----They make sense, the problem is that when they are incoherently babbling is because they are possessed by the holy spirit and when this happens, according to their sacred book (?) there has to be another person whose job is interpreting what these special people are babbling. Hallelujah. Isn't god wise??
I would like to expand, but to honor brevity I just say this: 'What is the difference between the way the people that wrote bible lived and the people of today? God? Jesus? FREAKING SCIENCE !!! The people that this guy JP admire and defend didn't even have toilet paper to wipe their rears.
I just reread the story of Cain and Able, and I fail to see any great wisdom in it. To find “wisdom” you have to read into the story a whole lot of things that aren’t in it, which says a whole lot more about the human ability to rationalize away irrational beliefs than it does about the divine inspiration of the original.
Sam, you must have the strength of Zeus... 2:15 this guy talking and saying nothing. 3:02 Mental Health is worldwide issue. god bless the guy. I am a Jewish Atheist. 5:00 ....
I have just created a new salad dressing. It's called the "Jordan Peterson" - a melange of over-striven and nonsensical ingredients designed to crush and overpower the taste of the real and essential items. When cornered the man becomes an insufferable fire-hydrant of bullshit masquerading as intellectual insight. Whereas, Sam Harris, in clear, calm and indisputable logic, lays bare the actual and winning words of his position . . . 2:03
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I despise Jordan Peterson with all my heart. I can’t stand how easily people fall for someone who wraps utter nonsense in lofty words, making everything seem so complex that no clear conclusions can ever be drawn. But what I hate the most is the way he pretends-with his irritating gestures and mannerisms-that he alone can see through the so-called complexity of it all. Absolutely repulsive man.
Well put 😂
He’s a con man preying on those with a limited vocabulary.
Save your hearts energy for a worthy opponent
if this is your opinion your iq is 110 at best. you just smart enough to understand the fringe of these concepts, yet not smart enough to go deeper still
Exactly. Remember how he would cry? His publicity team must have realized the tears weren't vibbing with his target audience.
jordan thinks he's asking a really tough question to begin with. sam easily responds.
The sacred artifacts that Sam is talking about come from God ffs
When the cornered Peterson becomes agitated, it twinkles its fingers to dispense BS in in attempt to confuse its opponent. Better luck next time.
peter son needs to be called out for his rudeness; his continuous interruptions, he's the typical conservative that doesn't want to hear the opposing side, it's another side of his arrogance.
Truely one of the best word salad spewers. Peterson is just a bullshit artist.
Peterson is not only incapable of listening, he's incapable of thinking his way out of a dry pile of leaves. Harris listens and addresses Peterson's convoluted pseudo-metaphysical babble with real clarity and insight. Just watch Peterson while Harris is responding; you can see him laboring to muster his next complicated nonsensical objection.
Dawkins nailed it: "JP is drunk on symbols".
He likes to hear himself talk....as a wise old person once said, "talks a lot, says nothing"
You can tell whenever Peterson is about to start in with his nonsense when he sits upright and forward. He's learned it's the best position to release his BS.
Here's Peter's shtick... Ask a word-salad question and constantly interrupt as the question is being dealt with.
There's no such thing as a "heavenly dome." Rational people call if A ROOF! 🤣🤣🤣
i would like to nominate this thumbnail for youtube thumbnail of the year
WHAT IF I TOLD YOU
THE ON RAMP IS DESIGNED FOR YOU TO REACH THE SAME SPEED AS TRAFFIC BEFORE MERGING
The Golden Rule is simple. Religions make everything complicated.
@jeffsaxton716---No, no, religion eliminates the brains of the people.
"It's impossible to write something like Cain and Abel. It's only like a paragraph long and so detailed"
Let me introduce you to The Silmarillion, where the 40 year long War of Wrath is told in "like a paragraph".
"There Morgoth stood at last at bay, and yet unvaliant. He fled into the deepest of his mines, and sued for peace and pardon; but his feet were hewn from under him, and he was hurled upon his face. Then he was bound with the chain Angainor, which he had worn aforetime. His crown they beat into a collar for his neck, and the two Silmarils which remained to Morgoth were taken from him and guarded."
Here (in just like four sentences) we have the most powerful being in the physical world being absolutely punked and cucked and maimed and bound and thrown into the void beyond the world and even THAT wasn't enough to completely stop him. And knowing the context of the rest of the story, and how much it means to see Morgoth show fear openly, after all that he's done and he still tries to ask for pardon. How is that not cooler and more meaningful than some dude plowing a field getting jealous and killing his brother before kicking rocks and saying "I unno!" when asked what he did lmao. That's just average life in Kansas.
Literally every single meaning claim JP or anyone else makes about the Biblical stories is MORE TRUE for the Silmarillion. JP is lost trying to figure out what Tolkien understood about the Bible and he was able to create his own story that perfectly explains everything the Bible fails to. Particularly the necessity of evil, and why evil must always be more powerful than good.
“And thou, Melkor, shalt see that no theme may be played that hath not its uttermost source in me, nor can any alter the music in my despite. For he that attempteth this shall prove but mine instrument in the devising of things more wonderful, which he himself hath not imagined.”
Yeah and the more so since many of the more known stories in said bible are retellings of known stories within other religions haphazardly put together. In the Cain and Abel case: The Cain and Abel story predates the Bible and originally came from the Sumerian story of Caan and Abael who were Enki's great grandsons.
It would not surprise me if those stories that do not have a known precursor actually do have one that has gone lost. At best the Bible is much like the Decamerone. Lose stories held together into a story framework.
Jordan is like a little kid descovering fiction books for the first time and thinking they're true
I admire Jordan's tenacity, how he leans into the debate, his mind constantly reeling and fidgeting for the next thing he absolutely must say and say again, demanding to be heard on every point big or small. The stakes are always high, continuous maximum intensity. It takes its toll. Sometimes, it seems, the audience applaud Sam Harris merely to take a breather, which infuriates Jordan and brings out his worst. What would happen, I wonder, if Sam simply gave up, acquiesced on every point and threw himself at Jordan's feet? Dead wind in his sails, would Jordan finally lean back, shut up and listen?
"What Evans do we have...." Right off the bat, Peterson is losing
Peterson: Never has a man said so many words to say nothing.
Now I underatand. Peterson has become the Defense for the Indefendable. He's a modern day Johnnie Cochran.
Peterson is so empty-minded!
How so?
Jordon Peterson is always on stage, always acting and insisting that he is always the main character. Please stop the buffoonery and start acting like a man rather than someone prancing around .
As a project manager, I’ve had people on my team that communicate similar to how JP does. They are a fucking nightmare to deal with. Nothing gets figured out or resolved as these people will argue over everything to no end.
I agree. The same people who have all the answers do none of the work and cause all the problems.
The Christians were building cathedrals and churches and making art writing hymns and poetry just like the Roman’s did. And the Greeks before them. And the Egyptians before them and so on and so on.
The deeper reality Jordan is looking for is being beyond his intellect
Maybe I am being facetious... but does Jordan Peterson just think the entire Eastern Hemisphere was flinging poop at each other for most of history?
Seeing JP try to rationalize his beliefs in the supernatural makes me question the efficacy of his psychological practice. He uses the reasoning and broken logic of someone who is clearly delusional.
God I wish at some point Sam had just said ... Stop, no more diversions. Why do you keep running away? Why are you doing everything you can to avoid the point I'm trying to make? We are here to discuss, so stop running away and address the point I'm trying to make.
Lie detector technician : Answer yes or no sir
JP: 🤔
How can the icon of an imaginary author of the universe support one's commitment to truth over fiction? JP is the master of word salad and is no friend of truth telling.
JP reckons the Cain and Abel story is brilliant because it is so concise. Guess that is because he can't answer a yes or no question in 100 sentences. 😅
JP lost one income and found a new one! Shame he has no qualifications to support his endeavour and bigger shame that so many people in the audience clap his every f@rt.
I read that he only eats meat. If so, he is in a state of ketosis, although a moderate one. So he would be light headed and not able to think clearly. I also have concluded that he does not like women, as a group, as well as individually. Also, he does not seem compassion oriented. As Sam Harris said of Peterson, his defense of the Bible is doing some kind of emotional work for him. I think Peterson needs a therapist to help him with his eating disorder and his misogyny.
Jordan is off his rocker.
I think it’s absolutely insane that a guy who isn’t clear about his beliefs is able to think he has a valid position to speak on Christianity and “debunk” the bible to his views and understanding. He’s making things very unclear and some of us are able to recognize this but sadly there are also some who think he’s a genius. I mean, the way I see it is the devil using his tongue to confuse and mislead people.
Sam Harris is awesome. Love how he put JP in his place and made him have a hissy fit. So much so he lashed out at the crowd even. lol😅
Are we really pretending that genesis is well written? It's reads like an elementary schooler wrote it. "God said let there be light, and so there was light, and god saw that the light was good. Then god separated the light from the darkness.." This is not good writing.
3:52 JP "yes, it is as insanely crazy as astrology..." 😵💫
9:10 Harris questions the authenticity of Petersons beliefs.
The cloud applauds.
Then Peterson flings a statement to make it look like the crowd is applauding for him.
Snake.
Peterson and chopra should unite to make no sense at all together
@alisonhiggins8459-----They make sense, the problem is that when they are incoherently babbling is because they are possessed by the holy spirit and when this happens, according to their sacred book (?) there has to be another person whose job is interpreting what these special people are babbling. Hallelujah. Isn't god wise??
Well put.
I would like to expand, but to honor brevity I just say this: 'What is the difference between the way the people that wrote bible lived and the people of today? God? Jesus? FREAKING SCIENCE !!! The people that this guy JP admire and defend didn't even have toilet paper to wipe their rears.
That was very well said.
No o e could have written Cain and Able?! WTF
I just reread the story of Cain and Able, and I fail to see any great wisdom in it. To find “wisdom” you have to read into the story a whole lot of things that aren’t in it, which says a whole lot more about the human ability to rationalize away irrational beliefs than it does about the divine inspiration of the original.
14:22 ten sentences of Cain/Abel took a millennia
and multiple minds to write❓🙄
Sam, you must have the strength of Zeus...
2:15 this guy talking and saying nothing. 3:02
Mental Health is worldwide issue.
god bless the guy.
I am a Jewish Atheist. 5:00 ....
TF is Jordan saying? So many words to say nothing.
Word salad with no evidence. Getting bored with Peterson. Lives in his own mind which is narcissistic.
Peterson cracks me up. Fancy words will only mask the Dunning-Kruger effect. The Bible is only a story imagined by primitive minds.
Jordan Peterson is one obnoxious dude! He is clearly educated way above his level of intelligence.
I have just created a new salad dressing. It's called the "Jordan Peterson" - a melange of over-striven and nonsensical ingredients designed to crush and overpower the taste of the real and essential items. When cornered the man becomes an insufferable fire-hydrant of bullshit masquerading as intellectual insight. Whereas, Sam Harris, in clear, calm and indisputable logic, lays bare the actual and winning words of his position . . . 2:03
he’s literally saying NOTHING. he spends 3 minutes saying NOTHING at all. Peterson is a doofus