Re-Issue: Everything Wrong With The Hobbit: The Desolation Of Smaug
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- Опубліковано 15 лип 2014
- Yes, you have probably seen this before. Hence the "Re-Issue" part of the title. We have made a sacrifice to the gods of online video and are now able to bring back to life our sins video for The Hobbit: The Desolation Of Smaug. We hope you enjoy it as much the second time around as you did the first.
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"Is Middle Earth just Gandalf's personal life sized Doll House?"
Actually it kinda is, yeah. It's canon.
Actually, it's more like Eru Iluvatar's playhouse with wizards as landlords.
what does that mean?
@@avivastudios2311 I believe they're talking about gandalf being a Maia (immortal beings created to protect Middle Earth if I remember my lore correctly xd)
@@yomama8935 istari, yeah. You have Eru at the top, he created the universe, then the Valar, some of whom came down to middle earth, then their servants are the maiar, Sauron and the balrogs are all fallen maiar who served Melkor, then you have the istari who are maiar given human form to walk middle earth and push events to happen in the right way. Gandalf is an istari, along with Saruman, Radagast, and the mysterious blue wizards who get like two mentions ever.
Yeah Gandalf is one of the many gods in middle earth
You can't blame Smaug for not using the fire. It takes a dragon 1d4 rounds to recharge its breath weapon.
I thought in the book almost all of them died
Only Thorin, Fili, and Kili died in The Hobbit. Balin, Ori, and Oin all died in Moria prior to the events of The Lord of the Rings. The rest of the dwarves were alive and well in Erebor. The only other dwarves whose death was recorded was Dwalin and Gloin, who both died after the beginning of the Fourth Age.
+projectbaum wrong Dain Ironfoot died at the battle during the siege of Minas Tirith (Gondor.) When the dragon fell and after the battle of the 5 armies was fought,The city of Dale was retaken. 60 years later Sauron marched the Orcish armies from Gundabad towards the Lonely Mountain. Bard was dead by the time but his son Bain had taken up the throne of Dale. However HE was dead by the time this happened and HIS son Brand was King and Brand And Dain Ironfoot was killed. Brand was killed by an Orcish arrow through the back and Dain was killed defending his body. I am also a Middle Earth Scholar and I'm 11
+Chris Dow When Brand died his son Bard ll ruled over Dale. The heir to The Lonely Mountain was Dain's son Thorin Stonehelm
Smaug is a noob. He should've taken Metabreath feats...
"Do you (elves) ever arrive *before* an attack?"
They did exactly once, at Helm's Deep.
They learned they had to arrive early from this movie. Ha!
Technically in the books I don't think they even did that!
@@animewarrior3 no they didn't haha
I mean, I was fine with it since it's cool to see elves in combat..
But they were from Galadriels clan.. the Noldor..
Which means they're aaaaaaaaancient, the fuckers that fought armies of balrogs and melkor, the real dark lord, Sauron was his pussy henchman haha
They wouldn't have had any problems
But that aside, for the film it was totally fine
11:12 love the indignation
@@KaladinVegapunk Well, even super experienced soldiers can only go so far. Discipline and experience don't stop you from getting tired eventually, or falling when you're hit.
3:56 You're right about this, but everybody wrongfully blames Peter Jackson. As a matter of fact, there was studio interference and they wanted more emphasis on a love triangle. Jackson wanted to focus more on the actual adventure
Thank you! I cannot emphasize how much it annoys me when people automatically blame Peter Jackson for everything! The studio interfered! A lot! Do your research! Arghhhhhhhh!
christopher tolkein said in an interview why he doesn't and his grandfather wont like the lotr, that jackson was too faithful in the books. so i believe thats the reason why hobbit is more different from the book with a lot of additions
@@mustardeater3187 What does J.R.R. Tolkiens dad possibly not liking the LOTR films have to do with changes made to the story in the Hobbit films?
@@mustardeater3187 nope the hobbit is mess because it was a studio cash grab. Where the director and studio flight over goals etc.
The lord of the rings was a passion project. It shows in every scene and every line spoken in this movies. Also, lotr is a much better story
@@mustardeater3187 True but you are stil a nerd
The volume of gold in that statue would not have been enough to fill the hall deep enough to submerge Smaug.
Actually, I think you're right. MAGICAL GOLD MOLECULE DUPLICATION PROCEDURE!
Yeah like you fucking know
For some reason they managed that they could kill a extremely heavy armored and almost unkillable dragon by throwing a bunch of melted gold at him, why not?
Artie Taylor no it can't. Average sized man has something like 5 liters of blood in his body.
@@waysidejokester if that were true a person themself would easily fill it, making it overflow if it had any water in it when they got in.
The fact that he didn't remove at least one sin for Smaug's design and Benedict Cumberbatch's performance is astonishing
Nerd of the past
Only the first scene is impressive
"Use your fucking fire" literally me
Fire on cooldown, lol
fairytail rocker not enough mana
fairytail rocker he can't use it every time.
Rooting for the dragon I see
To be fair we all have that useful video game ability or power up that we forget to use.
this is the problem with prequels if there is an iconic character in there they can't die so any action scene that they are in means nothing
But sometimes it's fun to see their asses kicked.
Legolas isn't in the book. I saw the movie poster for the first time and I was like "Wait, what???" I agree it makes sense he'd be there, but I feel like he got in more because of the actor's popularity.
the hobbit is trash. It's extremely hard to watch
Danny Cam Legolas is in the books
Enderboy His dad and him are yummy. In my view he is worth keeping around xD
+500 sins for having Smaugs death not in this movie because of the unnecessary love story
+Aaron Morton who is "Smoug"? seems the only thing unnecessary here is your comment
seriously? its just a miss spelled name. In a joke comment. Smaug. Smoug. who cares? lol
+Aaron Morton I care. J.R.R. was a great author for Britain and you offend me by spelling it wrong.
+SupaWoofa Collie He was actually from Rhodesia, modern-day Zimbabwe, although think it was part of the Empire at the time.
+Corporal Porpoise he was from south africa :) (THATS WHERE I LIVE!!!)
the post-credits bit with Sherlock: I saw it coming, but it still made me chuckle.
I loved it because I can totally see Smaug as Sherlock , haha!😄
"Afternoon."
A.M. YES it's so good
I was hoping for it through the whole video
@Eliana Head you don't know what a spoiler is, do you?
Glad you didn't sin Smaug too much, he and Bilbo were saviors of this trilogy
And then went on to reboot everyone's favourite detective
Smaug cgi, Benedict and Martin saved this movie form being terrible. Real mvps. Also Ian McKellen tried his best
yeah, except they missed the fact that the guards and townspeople were conveniently absent when the orcs went clambering across the rooftops
I thought loving Smaug is a weird and personal thing to me, glad that everyone agree hahaha
The trilogy never needed saving
"This horn" is actually a real instrument, called the serpent, invented in the late 16th century.
Thank you!!! Was down here to comment that myself
Thank you. It was the only horn that I recognized out of all of those. So sin should be removed
Cinemasins isn't sinning the "not realness" of the instrument. The one next to it is even wackier. I think he's suggesting that an actual serpent in midldle earth would be like seeing a Dizzy Gillespie trumpet there (anachronism and "out of world-ism") or sinning the instrument itself. It's a bit too silly. They are goofy as all get out. Bass Cornetto indeed. Sin stays
The Eagles only owed Gandalf one favor. Not only that, Eagles are easily seen by anyone and could alert anyone as to where they're going. Whole point of walking, and the purpose of the Fellowship in LOTR, is secrecy.
Then what of the other two times the eagles help Gandalf? Saving him from atop isengard or fighting the Nazgul's flying monsters.
Sorry, general observation. I haven't read any of the books (I need to, huh.).
Filly Rarity the eagles weren't even supposed to help Gandalf that much. Tolkien himself said that the Eagles were a dangerous plot device that he used when had no better option. its Peter Jackson that is abusing them
***** I personally throw it to the Maguffin issue. You use one magical device to write your way out of a problem and then it only creates more.
how Smaug know Thorin was called Oakenshield? He got that name in battle of Moria, when Smaug bathed in that sea of gold
I'm pretty sure that the line Smaug gives "A darkness is coming" is hinting to that he's already heard from "the necromancer" aka Sauron, and so he's probably heard mention of Thorin Oakenshield
Oh my gosh you're right. Plot holes, man: something that Tolkien could have fixed with a sentence or by not *even putting it in there in the first place, I'm looking at you, PJ*.
sauron and smaug are at the very least acquainted because gandalf only sent them to erebor so they could distract smaug and he couldnt come to dol guldurs aid
Nam Ngô read the fucking book
Roch Waleczny Bad day?
You forgot a sin: In the first movie, the bird smashing a nut against the mountain is enough to wake Smaug, but the dwarves trying to smash the hidden door with their swords and axes is obviously not loud enough!
I never noticed that! 😂😂😂
In the book, Thorin was concerned about how to deal with Smaug; and he approached Gandalf, who was concerned about how to deal with Smaug as well.
4:49 Sounds like a... deus axe machina
Oh my god
Hahahahahaha
Lol XD
...2,3,4
The Benedict Cumberbatch joke in the voiceover section was really funny.
I know this isn't important and that these videos are meant to be jokes but I have to point out in Sin #36, while wearing the ring Bilbo has some understanding of various languages (like with the spider language?) so most likely those elves WERE speaking elvish and the ring just translated for Bilbo.
yep. they did in the books, although there bilbo stayed hidden in the castle for a week
if you read lord of the ring you'd know that the elves like Frodo because he can speak ancient elvish and he was taught by bilbo..
but it's not explained in the movie so your point is not valid
If you're observant and decent at reasoning, it shouldn't need explaining :) Bilbo couldn't understand the spiders until he put on the ring and considering the ring is supposed to make its wearer almighty, seems like letting it's wearer understand other Middle earth languages should be a given. I like when movies don't fully explain things but drop enough hints so observant viewers can figure it out.
Hey dude that logic falls out of the window when you take into account that when Bilbo took the ring off to announce his position to the spider, and then stabs it, the spider screams, "It stiiiiings!!!!" and Bilbo notes the term. Bilbo took the ring off BEFORE it screamed that so I call bullshit on that theory in the context of the movie.
bolg is azog's son so that is why they look alike
Which could have easily been mentioned in the movie in less than 5 seconds so that it'd make sense to everyone, instead of only making sense to the people who's read the book
+Faas it was mentioned in the third movie but i get your point
Wasn't Bolg the one who lead the orcs to the battle of five armies? Cause Azog dies in the war for Moria, right?
b Yeah it says it in TLOTR's appendix in the last book
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My problem with the Tauriel/Kili love story is that they only shared a few lines of dialogue together. There was not enough build up to make it a "tragic love story". When Kili died at the end of BOTFA and Tauriel was crying I felt nothing. They only had like 3 separate conversations in 2 movies. I'm not opposed to adding characters and new relationships but at least make it meaningful. Make the audience feel something.
Thanks for the spoiler D: lol I've got the book I should really read it hahaha
oops sorry. The book is really good, one of my favorites actually. The movies are good too.
Daniel Lincoln-Smith Snape kills Dumbledore
Dani Marie
Agreed. I actually think it's a potentially good idea to add Tauriel's character and the amorous involvement with one of the youngest (and, in this film, handsomest) dwarves in the Company. But they really didn't develop it enough, and with nearly 11 hours' film counting special addition bonus scenes, there's really no excuse
Jacob Hoss It really is a shame because they could of done it so much better. It is what it is I guess.I still love the three movies despite the flaws.
At 10:50, gold has a pretty low melting point compared to most other metals, so a makeshift boat of steel wouldn't have melted. But yes, it would have been unbearably hot. Even the air around the molten gold would have been unbearably hot and probably damaging to the lungs.
But they're dwarves. They've been working and living in those circumstances for ages. I think that their bodies have already developed something against the heat.
Trimere "Bloody nerds! Why do they keep sharing information in entertaining situations? We should not be subjected to learning from them!"
Trimere Guys trying to sound above something nerdy that they zeroed in to watch. Check.
Trying to derail a harmless debate: Priceless.
Trimere HaHa! you got me there Trimere. (no sarc) It is ironic though that you're giving these guys a hard time for arguing minutia when this whole video is a guy nitpicking the plot holes in the film.
The coin biting thing actually works, if the gold is pure enough, you can actually dent it by biting.
Works with jewellery that have a high gold content.
YOU PUT A SHERLOCK AND KHAN REFERENCE IN THE POST CREDITS!!!! I FUCKING LOVE YOU!!!!
This is easily the best of the Hobbit movies. Smaug is portrayed to absolute perfection by Benedict Cumberbatch, and his interactions with Bilbo are incredibly entertaining.
Nerd
That scene is probably the only good part of this movie.
Everything else is garbage
@@realshinydragonite1598 I despise the Hobbit movies, and I despise this movie the most.
I feel like if the guy who does Cinema Sins ever chose to the a bad guy in a movie, he would win.
Nope, unless he wrote the movie.
Mikayla A. K. ***** I read your comments in the narrators voice **ding**
Mikayla A. K. It would be so easy to win as a bad guy in a movie:1.) Attack when you spot the good guys and see that they are vastly outnumbered or are highly vulnerable.
2.) Don't leave your evil plans lying around where anyone can find it, and don't talk out loud where anyone can eavesdrop.
The same with good guys:
1.) Don't wait and watch the bad guy get stronger or call for backup, do a roundhouse kick or whatever and KO the sucker.
2.) If you've mildly beaten the bad guy and he/she attempts to run away, don't waste that opportunity to finish the job by going to offer a hand to your teammates so they can stand up, even though it would have only taken them 2 extra seconds to do i on their own.
bigmattman2005
3rd for both
DONT FUCKING MONOLOGUE
Alejandro Escobedo Don't fucking monologue if you've got a giant on his back but not dead yet, therefore giving him time to leap back up and squash your head.
Make Hobbit Part 3!
Legolas defies gravity in that one.
Dark Prelate Mohandar and in Hobbit 3, that the only movie that legolas has no more arrows in the movie
Dark Prelate Mohandar When i saw the scene where he literally runs up a bunch of falling stones I imagined a "Ding!" with each step.
Amrit Singh It took him 5 movies to run out of arrows LOL.
Waleed Khan Ok that actually has an explanation in the universe though. Elves are practically weightless. Look back to the Fellowship of the Ring he fucking walks on shoulder deep snow lol
Paul SZ 6 movies actually! :D
There’s a sin missing. When bilbo puts the ring on it allows him to understand the what the spiders are saying, then he takes the ring off but he’s still able to hear the spider say that “it stings”.
Another sin: Tauriel even being in the movies.
Peter Jackson contacted Viggo mortensen also to make a appearance in the movie, but Viggo refused. Good guy Viggo.
You idiots.... this takes place about 70 years before the LOTR TFOTR. We are in Mirkwood, where Legolas is prince at. Legolas is at least 200 years old. In other words, while this story takes place, Legolas is at least 130 years old, prince of Mirkwood. Having him in the movie is just pure logic.
Ximen because he's not in the books...
Are you guys for real? It's the same universe, Legolas is the prince of Mirkwood, of course he was there. The reason why Tolkien never mentioned him is because he didn't have everything planned. What do you wanted him to do, re-write the Hobbit after he had released LOTR books?
Like.. I agree with you, compared to LOTR, the Hobbit films looks like 10 pounds of crap in a 5 pound bag.
But considering the time period, and what we know after the LOTR books, it only makes sense to have Legolas there
Thing that is most wrong with this movie is that 80% of it doesn't follow book.
1. Radagast, Legolas and Tauriel don't appear in the book. In fact, Tauriel doesn't appear in any of the books and was invented solely for the movie.
2. Legolas and Tauriel serve no purpose in the overall plot of the movie.
3. Bilbo is main character in the book. In the movies, however, main characters are Gandalf and Thorin, while Bilbo has been reduced to mere secondary character.
4. If Legolas and Tauriel serve any purpose, Radagast serves to absolutely no purpose in the plot of the movies.
(gold statue melts over Smaug) "What the f*ck is this bullsh*t?!"
I burst out laughing at that part! 😂
+BHarribo Plus 1 for Peter Capaldi
'Ich ka khraier ulundul' how s an elf supposed to do that? Hahahahaha
Like number 140 and you deserve every one of them.
7:35 Fun fact, that horn is actually a real instrument called a Serpent. Serpents were used in Renaissance-era music as a precursor to modern brass instruments. Similar range to a baritone horn, though obviously more wooden sounding.
Wow. I thought that horn was just sheer fantasy. Nice to learn something new.
I unironically adore these movies. I don’t even really know why, I can see the flaws (though I don’t think they’re as big a deal as some make them out to be), but I could still sit down and watch this trilogy over and over again. I just love it. So much. It’s honestly a problem.
THANK YOU I feel the same
@@queenofqueen-4598 HOLY SHIT I SEE YOU EVERYWHERE ON WATTPAD AND NOW UA-cam?!😳😳
@@Mamsy_Wamsy HOLY SHIT THIS HAS NEVER HAPPENED BEFORE WHAT??? YOUVE SEEN ME ON WATTPAD?? AND IM BAREY ON UA-cam, I-
@@queenofqueen-4598 YEA IVE SEEN YOUR ACC ON LIKE 15 DIFF STORIES💀💀😳
@@Mamsy_Wamsy well I- I get bored easily…
I can't believe he missed the part when Bilbo took the ring off and stabbed the spider, he could still hear it talking somehow.
+Jack Jackson that's the one part of the movie that gets me every time! it's such an obvious mistake. ugh.
right. That was a very lazy miss by the directors. i mean its as if it was supposed to happen but it simply is impossible.
The rings effect wears off. If you keep watching that scene, he drops the ring and fights that random creature, sits down after picking it back up and a feeling comes over him like he’s snapping out of it. To me that seems like the point where it wore off.
4:03 "and luckily they were speaking English, not Elvish." well, Bilbo was wearing the ring, so it probably was in elvish and he heard it in English. They even established the ring's ability to translate during the spider scene.
Do they explain that in the movie though? Because no matter how much your explanations make sense on the fudging UA-cam comment section, if that's not in the movie, then it is not part of the movie period.
Also are you still alive?
the scene where Ligolas is fighting while standing on dwarves heads deserves 100 sins .
take a sin off for smaug
ikr he is so spine cilling
Take 10 off
Take a 12 off for Smaug and his design ffs plus that last line from him
Smaug is awesome
Take 10% of sins.
I think a sin should be removed for Martin, notorious for flipping off cameras, managing to get a flip off into the film by removing the ring from his middle finger.
Bolg IS mentioned in the book... Azog died at the Moria battle, he got slain by Dain Ironfoot... And Bolg led that army of orcs and wargs to Erebor. that information is from the books :DD
goblins, army of goblins orcs weren't present in the books
+Charles Gilchrist Check the intro to the Hobbit. Tolkien explained that "goblin" is how the word for orc is rendered in the Hobbit. Tolkien had this ongoing thing where his books were meant to be translations. So his retcon for using the word "goblin" in one book and "orc" in the next is that they were two different translations of the same word. "Hobgoblin" was the word used for larger orcs. In the later books, i.e. LOTR, orc and goblin are occasionally used interchangeably.
+opaliittiopa he said "more characters that either arent in the book, or are barely mentioned" azog was in it, but had an incredibly bit part
+opaliittiopa Not only that, according to the book Thorin, Kili and Fili died in the battle while trying to breach the wall of bolgs personal guard. Thorin was killed in battle and Kili and Fili died while protecting the body of Thorin from getting defiled. It is Beorn that finaly breaks through bolgs personal guard, kills bolg and brings the bodies of Thorin, Kili and Fili back to the camp. And the book says that after that beorn returned back into battle with his anger (and therefore power) multiplied a thousand times thereby driving off the rest of the orc army. Thorin then only lives long enough to forgive bilbo and thank him for all he did. Later on Dain becomes the new King of Erebor and Thorin, Kili and Filis graves are set in the deepest, most holy part of erebor and the arcenstone is put upon thorins grave. The book also tells that the arcenstone on Thorins grave would lit up whenever danger approached Erebor.
Bolg is the main Orc antagonist in the novel. He does most of the stuff Azog (who in he book, is dead) in the film. Bringing in Azog as an antagonist for Thorin wasn't a bad idea. Having a rivalry develop between Legolas and Bolg when Bolg is supposed to fight Beorn? Not so much.
11:09 I was hoping you would point out that the gold supposedly submerges Smaug completely, but the max depth of the gold is a couple steps...Smaug is way taller than a few of feet.
you should sin the fact that the elf king wants to lock himself and his kin for safety but has walls so small that orcs can jump up them.
Loved the Sherlock "crossover" at the end.
Am I the only one who was most outraged at the molten liquid gold being the color of... gold? The fuck is that shit?
Also, how the fuck does Smaug even *sink* into the gold? (That's not gold anyway!)
. . .
What colour is molten gold?
Magnus Rasmussen Considering the temperature of it, it's going to be a moderate orange color, but due to its emission intensity it will look pretty much yellow-hot.
zolikoff is pretty much right, it would be between orange (melting point, 1337K) and bright yellow (boiling point, 3243K).
Ive watched this so many times but the 103rd sin, at 10:52, has always bugged me.
Since they are in a forge area, it's pretty safe to presume that the wheelbarrow that Thorin used for a raft is made out of iron (An extremely common substance). The melting point of gold is only 1,948°F, while the melting point of iron is 2,800°F. So no, the wheelbarrow shouldnt even be close to melting.
To debunk the second part of the sin: Almost every account of dwarves that I can think of have dwarves being heat and fire resistant. Thus them having GIGANTIC FUCKING FORGES in the first place. Dwarves are almost 90%+ depicted as blacksmiths and most of those times shown not wearing any sort of heat protective gear.
"Use your fucking fire"... dude, don't you know it has to wait 1d4+1 rounds between dragon breath attacks?
Paulo Frota in the animated movie smaug could use his fire anytime.he used it a lot while destroying lake town
My sin for this trilogy is the whole 'contrived-Elf-Dwarf-Elf-love-triangle' B.S. that was not even in the book, involving characters that weren't in the book, and both bloated the runtime immeasurably and sucked screen time away from things that were actually IN the book and deserved to be fleshed out. My sin for this movie in particular is the fact that they didn't give Beorn hardly ANY screen time and completely screwed up his character... and on that topic I suppose I should mention my unending F-U-R-Y over the fact that Ron Perlman wasn't cast as Beorn (he was supposed to be), and the fact that this movie wasn't directed by Guillermo del Toro (like it was supposed to be). del Toro already had the costumes designed, the dragon fleshed out, and Ron Perlman cast, but the studio kept him waiting so long that he got fed up and dropped out. Total Sin Count: ALL OF THEM.
+Corvus The Strigoi It's like Peter Jackson looked at the Star Wars Prequels and thought: "That George Lucas is well cool. I'm gonna screw up prequels with shitty CGI too!"
+Lucy Hartnell Fair point, but keep in mind that Jackson didn't even want to be there. The studio bugged him so much that he finally agreed to come on as an advisor, but only if they got someone else (he picked del Toro) to direct. And if you watch the bonus material on the DVDs and Blu-rays, you can see how much he completely doesn't want to be doing the same old anymore. He got roped into it by the studio and he frankly didn't give a rip anymore.
+Corvus The Strigoi
Personally, Tauriel is the biggest sin of the entire Hobbit trilogy b/c several of the trilogy's biggest sins are the result of this HORRIBLE character
Here are a few examples:
-Tauriel is one of the most painful examples of a Mary Sue. A character written so poorly she makes OCs by fanfic writers look developed and balanced in comparison.
-A character arc w/ an even more pointless payoff to the overall story summed up in "I'm sad."
-Pointless character Tauriel takes away time from characters who were actually in the book.
-The pointless Elf-Dwarf-Elf love triangle
-A forced pointless romance destined only for tragedy (anyone who read the Hobbit knows Kili dies and the romance is doomed to fail. Its like a kid reading Romeo & Juliet knowing that they die at the end, but unlike Shakespeare, Jackson and the other screenwriters can't do it well or competently for that matter).
-Kili being stabbed by a Morgul blade serves no reason except to add more pointless "tension" to the already forced, pointless love story.
-A tasteless and pointless dick joke in the pointless Dwarf-Elf romance side-story.
+Captain_Hat Soooo... You basically just restated the first half of my initial comment, lol
"My sin for this trilogy is the whole 'contrived-Elf-Dwarf-Elf-love-triangle' B.S. that was not even in the book, involving characters that weren't in the book, and both bloated the runtime immeasurably and sucked screen time away from things that were actually IN the book and deserved to be fleshed out."
+Stompin' Bob To each their own, I consider this entire Trilogy a train wreck of the worst kind on both literary and cinematic fronts. That said, some people enjoyed it, and while I question their sanity, I respect their opinion. I'm just grateful that Christopher Tolkien has enough respect for his father's work to keep the Silmarillion out of New Line's grubby paws.
4:12 "..and, luckily, they were speaking english and not elvish"
I'm pretty sure that, even if they were speaking elvish (as they probably did), the ring would have made Bilbo understand what they were saying, just as he understood what the spiders were saying a few moments ago.
Ugh. The ring does NOT translate languages.
Luke SkyOtter I do believe it does. However, the point is that it's inconsistent to criticise how convenient it is that the elves were speaking English, and not also criticise how convenient it is that the spiders start talking English the moment Bilbo puts the ring on his finger.
Martin Årvik
Whoa pretty sure it doesn't translate languages at all.
Luke SkyOtter
Martin Årvik
Actually, in the LotR (books) it is suggested that the One Ring gives the wearer the power to understand strange languages. When Sam puts on the ring he can understand what the Orcs are saying. "He heard them both clearly, and he understood what they said. Perhaps the Ring gave understanding of tongues, or simply understanding, especially of the servants of Sauron its maker, so that if he gave heed, he understood and translated the thought to himself."
Incongruent I Damn you remembered that? Did you google or always keep your copy of Return of the King with you?
Iron's melting point is higher than gold, but yes it should be getting hot, though I believe dwarves are fairly heat resistant. But the director came out of a basket eating a carrot, what did you expect?
One things u need to know about smaugs is he's ego dragons.. He believes nothing can kill him
OH MY GOD. The George Lucas-ification of the Lord of the Rings. That has got to be the most accurate statement I've heard about anything ever.
The molten gold bullshit literally ruined everything I had hoped for. That said, I'm almost surprised you didn't remove a sin for the Necromancer reveal.
And Guillermo del Toro became Steven Spielberg companion.
You know what's really funny? When Balin said the "Desolation of Smaug" line, I actually thought "roll credits" in my head as a knee-jerk response. xD
Also, Sherlock Holmes as a dragon...now that's a movie I'll watch! :D
njintau that's not really funny. It's not even a little funny. Douche.
keeganshigh damn, what's up with you?
@@keeganshigh What's so douchey about this comment?
Gandalf acts like the bear isn't Beorn because when he is a bear, he is unpredictable
yeah i hated that. why couldn't they have bilbo say "gee gandalf we have massive flying birds, why cant they take us to the mountain?" and he say "cause you vertically challenged fool, the men of dale at the foot of the mountain like to shoot them"
+Hatchet Jack The book mentions the birds explaining to the group that the woodelves and the men at the Long Lake shoot the them because hey view them as a threat
I think the real reason is that the eagles are very powerful sentient beings in direct service to a powerful god and they get pissed off being used as an Uber service. World ending threats, sure but otherwise you shitty little mortals can just make your own way there.
Jesus Christ!
Why are there so many people who can't read a fucking description or notice the "Re-Issue".
My sin is for the book to movie transition, in which they forgot the "King" part of kingsfoil. IT ONLY WORKS WITH THE KING OF GONDOR USING IT. THAT'S WHY IT IS CONSIDERED A WEED!
+Krazyguy75 so absolutely wrong..
Thomas Erlandsen So I read up on it. Elves know how to use it, but it is far less effective than in the king's hand.
It would not have helped his problem most likely, it's more like administering morphine, simply slowing the problem. Elven healing and the removal of the blade's shard saved frodo.
Krazyguy75
Actually Aragorn himself admit that he can not heal on the same level as Master Elrond and other elven Lords..(or Ladies... like Galadriel)
Thomas Erlandsen Wasn't a king at that point. When he was working in the houses of healing he helped cure the curse that resulted from killing the witch king.
Yes, but he did not become skilled at healing because of being the king... in fact the legend said they should know their king when he returned in the form of a healer
4:03 While wearing the ring, Bilbo hears every language - or communication - in English. The elves were probably speaking Elvish since it was all shot in a way in which the ring wearer can see.
not gonna lie i would totally watch a spinoff with smaug and bilbo setting up the first detective agency in middle earth XD
About 4:10
When using the ring/ having it near you, doesn't help you to understand new languages and have better reflexes ?
Yes, you can understand all language if my memory serves me right.
Even if that is the case, the movie would still need to explain that.
Fanghur170 the greatest sin in this trilogy is not having a few lines to explain simple shit like the eagles and the fact bilbo knew elvish
Yup. AAAAAAALLLLLLL languages. (including spider) ;)
@@Fanghur170 the movie did explain it, in the scene with the spiders. Bilbo could understand what the spiders were saying. What more do you need?
1:58 is pitched higher for some reason.
Its funny, but why?
*sin ding*
Cybergheist Probably copyright
le feuilly The entire movie worked well without any copyright, but that single insignificant part got copyrighted? would it make sense in any way?
“Discount Azog”
"Is there a forest without darkness.." Yes? Lothlorien?
8:00 you missed the bit where Balin says "it never fails to amaze me, the courage of hobbits" but bilbo is the only hobbit we can assume he's met at all during the two films so far also as dwarves rarely leave their home to go anywhere else meaning Balin is probably really bad with wording
6:08.
Actually, my complaint was that they're already worrying about her.
She specifically says "I'm going for a walk", or something along those lines, they say "All right," and she leaves. Literally a minute later, they killed the orc pretty fast, Legolas goes up to the guards and they say Tauriel hasn't come back yet.
MAYBE BECAUSE SHE LEFT LIKE A MINUTE AGO?!?! IT TAKES LONGER THAN THAT TO GO FOR A FREAKING WALK!!!!
Lol
The elves weren't worrying about her. Thranduil ordered all the gates to be closed and specifically said that no one would be able to enter or leave (and who knows how long he would wait to open them again), which is why the elf guards mentioned that Tauriel had not returned yet because they were going into lockdown and she would be locked out for god knows how long.
XD
Deborah F Still: the sentence could have been different. Would something have changed if they had say "She's out for a walk" ? Or "She just left" ? I think not.
1:57 what's up with Bilbo and Gandalf's voices?
I love these movies but I've been laughing so hard at your merciless commentary.
The part where he said "it's almost like they wrote the script for the dwarves to escape then made the set to match," yers, that is excactly what happened.
Alex Riptide he means instead of making it realistic.
At 4:10 the Elves are speaking Elvish but when the ring is put on it makes it so the user can hear it in their language. Thats why he could ear what the spiders were saying. Surely?
No m8. Stop the h8. Vid is gr8. Film is also gr8. Take knowledge and insert in cr8. CinemaSins ain't gonna take the h8.
T-Dawg Your rapping inspires me.
What the f is with their voices at 1:58?
T-Dawg gr8 speach m8 i r8 8/8
Possibly, but one part of the movie that bugged me was when he put the ring on and began to understand what the spiders were saying, why the hell could he still understand them when he took the ring off?
The biggest issue is that the book only has enough source material for one movie, maybe two. They decided to stretch it to three long movies for a cash grab. So you get a butt load of filler and nonsense characters. Plus the Hobbit didn't even have the same tone as LOTR, but they try to make it the same. Which done well may have worked, but it wasn't.
Yes, but most of the ideas of the details are actually in Tolkien's writings- But P.J. warped them horribly.
I'm very glad that C. Tolkien refuses to give him the rights to The Silmarillion.
Personally I could see three movies. But not the way they handled it. My initial thoughts was first move goes until the eagles which makes a good cutoff point*and I have basically no complaints with the first movie I felt they handled the filler stuff okay in it compared to the second*. Second movie goes till they arrive in laketown and meet Bard the archer not bard the smuggler. This would allow them to spend extra time covering what Gandalf was doing during his time away and the other events that happened during this time, explaining more about beorn*who they basically skipped over* and maybe even focusing more on the elves and the conflict between them and Thorin that will cause him to say 'no fuck you' later. Unfortunately they cut far more from the book then the first film to serve their need to shove in more filler specifically more Legolas and Taurial. My thought for the third movie was basically lake town till the end of the movie because I know for a fact they are going to spend a LONG time on the war at the end and they have plenty of space for action sequences that take considerable time.
Luke SkyOtter Couldn't agree more. I mean.. I love Silmarillion.. But can you immagine how incredible slaughtered that book would get in the hands of this mad man?
Yes I intend to someday edit these movies into one really freaking awesome 3 hour movie.
I think the problem is most people went into this expecting it to be another LOTR trilogy, when they are aimed at two different audiences.
4:10 The ring translates. Also if you where gonna sin the translated elves, why did you say nothing at all about the talking spiders? I feel like you dont watch the movies, just have someone else do it. Then they just hand you the script. Im giving you 3 sins for that
That Sherlock part at the end is genius! :)
I love the Sherlock Holmes thing at the end. That hilarious. I watch you guys for those scenes.
That's definitley the best part of the video (though it is already great). :D
They shit directly into the lake.. So.. The fish.. Oh god.
+Kosta Stamenkovic And people are eating the fish, so they are eating their shit. And then shitting their shit. And then eating it again.
+MC DipperPines To be fair, fish also expel waste into the lake, so it's probably not any less unsanitary than eating unwashed fish anyway
No sins removed for how badass Smaug is when he's covered in gold
when Kili took an arrow to the leg I thought : WELP NO MORE ADVENTURING FOR YOU , GO AND ASK SOMEONE TO BECOME A GUARD
"My cousin's out fighting dragons, and what do I get? Guard duty.""
Then right after Bard kills the dragon: "I used to be an adventurer like you..."
Dat Sherlock reference tho
Shit Sherlock, you found a reference
DubstepOtakuGamer Fuck you Watson
^^^ Benedict Cumberbatch plays Smaug I believe...
***** I didn't know, I was just guessing. My god, calm down
Don't call me Watson, I am a better detective then Sherlock, my name is L, L Lawliet
Maybe Bolg looks exactly like Azgog because Bolg is Azgog's son.
Maybe Azog shouldn't even be there because he's dead for the last 140 years or so? ;)
For real though...
Renji Abari I do mean for "real" :P Azog was beheaded by Dain II Ironfoot around 140 years before the Battle of Five Armies.
There are flashbacks of that battle in the movie, namely that was the Battle of Azanulbizar where Azog actually killed Thror, Thorin's grandfather, but Jackson had the story changed for whatever reason.
Azog should be dead and Bolg should be the leader. ;)
I know! They just made half that movie up.
Renji Abari Aye. Unfortunate.
I'd want stories from the Silmarillion and Unfinished Tales to be on the big screen, or at least maybe as disjoint miniseries or something... That would be fucking awesome.
Or at least that's what I thought before these new Hobbit movies. If he'd take liberties like that then... No, I don't want them butchered. :L
Hey guys, after seeing this movie, I think that Martin freeman and benadict cumberbatch should make, ooh, I don't know, a TV show with them both in it? Maybe?
there is Sherlock benedict as sherlock and martin as john watson
+theblackhat king you don't understand sarcasm, do you?
You don't understand humor do you? You had good material for a funny joke, but you didn't know how to use it. You're like a woman trying to be funny. But no one laughs.
Well, they're both now in the Marvel Cinematic Universe, along with Andy Serkis/Gollum. Although he's dead in Black Panther
"A shadow that grows in the dark" - Where else does a shadow grow *sin bell **-ding-*
Am I the only one who likes that the movie is long, it makes me feel that I have more to look up for, and it keeps me entertained.
***** cool
It took a movie and a half to see smaug and it was worth it. Best movie dragon.
This movie woulda sucked ass if Smaug wasn't so awesome. Also Benedict Cumberbatch was perfect for him
I think they meant the best well-done "dragon" counting acting, special effects, CGI, etc.. As a character, Smaug is pretty stupid, not question about it. In the book he's even worse, as the dwarves fight less with the dragon and he goes straight to attack the town and.. third movie! At leat here we see the dwarves in actual danger even if it's cartoonish.
Brendan John Benedict Cumberbatch is perfect for most roles in my oppinion
David Dagnino Ah, that's what i can agree on
i would agree its the best movie dragon, but its the worst dragon movie
9:31 Also, in the Fellowship of the Ring, Aragorn says the kingsfoil "might help to slow the poison," implying that it hadn't been tried before, & was certainly not proposed as a life-saving cure. It took the elf magic in Rivendell to save Frodo, so why did just the kingsfoil save the dwarf?
The ending voice over jokes were amazing. Thank you guys as always.
Audio outtakes.
The Ring lets Bilbo hear english instead of elvish, it translates for him
It's interesting reading these comments and seeing the Hobbit movies being hated on so much. I personally didn't care for any of the LOTR movies. However, I thoroughly enjoyed both Hobbit movies and can't wait for the third. It almost seems like the Hobbit trilogy is to LotR like Episodes 1-3 are to Star Wars. I'm actually pretty shocked by the amount of hate for the Hobbit I'm seeing here.
Yeah, me too. This whole "1 book = 3 movies?? Money cash rahrahrah" totally annoyed me from day 1 -.-
I like both LotR AND Hobbit, although I have to admit I wasn't a huge fan of DoS; maybe because of the split-up thing....? When I saw it a second time, I could actually enjoy it a lot more :D
Well, I wouldn't say, that the Hobbit movies are totally horrible. It just seems, they can't decide on what kind of movie they actually want to make.
On the one hand, they want to stay true to Tolkien's stories, but then they put in a lot of new of changed stuff. This actually wouldn't be that much of a problem, if it would make sense or was interesting. But Until now the first two movies were full of unnecessary side stories to slow down the plot to fill 3 movies.
It's basically a story about a Bilbo, Gandalf and the Dwarfs going to the mountain and get the gold. They put in the whole "war against the orcs"-thing, which is quite alright. But then they decided to put in Legolas. And to add a love story. And an encounter with spiders. And an encounter with trolls. And this whole story line set in the water town, with prophecies and even more unnecessary characters.
Another problem is that they can't really descide on the tone the movies should have. On the one hand they try to make it an epic adventure, full of battles and brutality, with decapitating people. And then in the next scene we get "funny" orcs, musical scenes or that barrel scene. The barrel scene itself is actually not bad, it just does not match the serious, violent tone, that LOTR and even the Hobbit has in the rest of the story.
And last but not least: The whole story just seems to be awefully predictable. Half of the characters appear in LOTR, so it is pretty clear, that they won't die. Then the dwarves are basically trying to prepare a war the whole time, so I wonder, what might happen in the 3rd movie *cough cough*. And now we even got a prophecy about killing the dragon AND a guy who once tried to kill the dragon and failed, but is now one of the main characters, so everyone can probably guess, what is going to happen.
But as I said, the Hobbit is not a horribly bad movie. It's just one of these movie trilogy, that is kind of "dumb". You can enjoy it, but you should not think to much about it. And that's probably the biggest problem: The movies are clearly made for the LOTR-audience and these people actually like to think about the plot^^
"It almost seems like the Hobbit trilogy is to LotR like Episodes 1-3 are to Star Wars."
THAT IS EXACTLY THE PROBLEM.
GrayFalcony The movie adds a lot of unnecessary fluff? Well, it's a trilogy based on a book that was shorter than the first book in The Lord of the Rings trilogy. Kinda needed to add some fluff there, or we'd be facing a 90-minute movie adaptation. Whether it's unnecessary or not depends on the viewer, I guess. I was on the edge of my seat throughout both movies, so I don't consider the fluff unnecessary.
As for the tone of the movies compared to The Lord of the Rings, The Hobbit was written as a children's book. The Lord of the Rings was written for adults. I'm guessing Peter Jackson is using a bit of both worlds because the movies aren't marketed for children per se.
And of course the story is predictable. It's the "prequel" to The Lord of the Rings. You're not meant to watch The Hobbit and go "oh my gosh, will Bilbo die?!", unless you watch the trilogies in chronological order. It's like calling the Harry Potter movies predictable. Of course they are. There are eight books - he's not going to die in the first movie. And Episode 1-3 of Star Wars was predictable, too. Look, Anakin and Obi-Wan won't die, because one dies in Episode 4 and the other in Episode 6.
It's not about the destination, it's about the journey. That's why the book is called "There and Back Again".
Qaoz Three movies from a short novel. No fluff was ever needed. The creators needed to go make a cartoon and purge their orgiastic fluff elsewhere, and make this story on par or better than their LoTR.
One thing that got me is the elves being drunk thing. In lotr gimli and legolas have a drinking competition, where gimli passes out whilst legolas, having drunk the same amount, only feels a tingling in his fingers. These elves were passed out asleep on the table, how much had they drunk?!?!
I imagine dwarves are used to smaller cups as were the hobbits. An actual pint is like an extra large to them. Would have been like me challanging Andre the giant to a drinking contest I can drink alot for my size but nowhere near as much as someone much larger than me.
7:38 That horn exists and is called a serpent.
I think everyone is WAY to fricken critical of this. Yes, it isn't at all like the book in any way, but as a movie itself, it was pretty damn good. What is wrong with enjoying something that makes you happy and that you enjoy? Nothing, so let's all just take a chill pill because there's NOTHING we can do to change the movie and just enjoy it for what it is. It's a new spin off of an old story. Go read the book if you want the "perfect/genuine/real" version.
Because the movies and their developers pretend like they're movies directly out of the book by titling them The Hobbit, IF what you're saying is true about the movie adaptation being seperate from the original source material. Anger is also derived from the fact that many, including me, put their faith in Peter Jackson to 'film' the book. What did we have to worry though, pssh, I mean the guy brought the LotR series to the cinema in an amazing way. It pains people further that we, as the entire LotR and movie-going community, had ONE shot at making a successful adaptation and that this was the result. Also, it is more insulting when the director adds blatant filler (i.e. the unnecessary 20 minute or so battle with smaug at the end of this movies) or a tone or theme that wasn't a part of the original author's message (i.e. the dwelf romance, like wtf!?). I mean, what is the message to the inclusion of Tauriel and her and Fili's love subplot? Is it that love permeates all races or women can be warriors and equal to men or was it just to appeal to Hollywood's need to put love stories in EVERYTHING, even when it is not welcome nor needed. While I support the first two of my reasons in general (I don't like discrimination), Tolkien wasn't trying to teach people that and as for the third possible reason, I say fuck you Hollywood for saying that you would put a story on the big screen as accurately as possible (Mirkwood should technically be pitch-dark, but even I don't want to watch that)
Damn iPhones... -_-
As I was saying:
then not delivering on their self-proclaimed duty while still taking my money. I may be overreacting slightly, but it is the fact that Peter Jackson got away with so much disgrace to the original work and advertised it as nothing of that nature, that anger as well as criticism are justified.
Let's apply this to The Last Airbender. Many fans, such as myself, are angry that such a monstrosity exists, but in that situation no one defends the movie.
I think the anger occurs not just because a director fucks up the movie in the eyes of a good chunk of people, no, I think that it spawns from the fact that movies are scarce and it is not like you get a new Hobbit movie every five years. Or, it might be due to fans of the source material now having to deal with the 'fans' that have only watched the movies and therefore, due to the movie's inaccuracies, misrepresent the original author's/creator's vision and now misrepresent the community. I feel that this applies to any adapted movie and while some of what I have typed is based on principle, it also actively affects fandoms/authors and what they represent. Thank you for your time. These are just my interpretations of the issue at hand.
It's all about immersion and consistency of story and characters. If logical errors exist within either, then it breaks immersion and breaks the very essence of the story itself. Then it just becomes a nonsensical spectacle that you wind up regretting the time you spent on it. I dunno, I like stories that make sense in how they play out and don't wholeheartedly depend on timely coincidences to save characters from trouble, or rely on inexplicable plot devices to propel the story forward. If the characters are never actually threatened because they keep being saved all the time by things that don't make sense, then how are we supposed to feel anything for them at all? Lord of the Rings made more sense than what The Hobbit has so far.
I can completely see where you're coming from. But for me, I love the characters and the story so much, that just seeing or reading about either makes me happy, and even if there are "errors" in either the story or the characters, it doesn't make me regret the time I spent reading a story or watching the films. Its a spin off of the old story. No book made into a movie is ever going to be the same because every single person has different experiences and thoughts and reactions and feelings about the story, so I guess that's why I said why not just enjoy being able to see your favorite characters on screen instead of nit-picking the errors in the film. You also have to remember in order to get the most from the story, they made it into three films but the book itself is very short and Tolkien doesn't go into very much detail about some parts of their journey so we don't really know exactly what happens so just allow the freedom that the movies have. But again, I can completely see where you're coming from and agree with you on some levels. :)
Maddison Jourdain Yes, thank you for pointing out to me what the name of the channel is. I didn't notice. I just think a great deal of the so called "sins" in the video are just a bunch of crap. Doesn't mean I can't still like the channel and have an opinion. Also I love the Hobbit to death and feel really strongly about it, so that is why I mentioned it on this video. :)
-500 sins for that beautiful song in the credits
Mikayla Snow O misty eye of the mountain below,
Asif Kabir Keep careful watch of my brothers souls
If this is to end in fire, then we should all die together.
Mikayla Snow you mean that song that doesn't fit the movie at all because it's way too modern? More like plus 500 sins. That shit made me cringe
Meh
10:48 I took the fact that everything still worked as showing off the dwarves' mastery of technology, still impeccable after all those years
11:10 not to mention that gold weighs about 19g /m³. You could float iron cannonballs in molten gold (until they melt, of course). The melting point is 1500°C, so spilling such an amount would turn the hall in an extremely unpleasant place.
You mixed up iron and gold's melting points gold is a bit over 1000°C where iron melts at 1500°Cso the iron cannonball would float, would glow, would even austinize it would not melt
those dwarfs would still be cooked though.
I loved the Sherlock bit at the end lol
When Bilbo and Smaug are talking for the first time, Smaug calls Thorin 'Oakenshield'. But if I understand correctly, Thorin got that nickname after Smaug took Erebor. Then how does Smaug know Thorin is called 'Oakenshield'?
Juan Pablo Mina Maybe he heard it from someone, you know some other smaller lizards or something XD
small creatures like birds, bats etc would find stuff out and talk to smaug about them, or he probably just flew around and saw stuff for himself
the convo they put at the end with sherlock and john omf same
I find it funny that he's doing a sin about how no other orcs have axes but there's axes on quite a few of there backs😆
But also the Sherlock part at the very end!
Smaug: You seem familiar
John: Sherlock why are you dressed like a dragon
Sherlock: SHUP UP JOHN ITS FOR A CASE!
I understand the books don't matter in these videos, but yet again, the reason Bolg is, as you say, a "discount Azog" is because he's Azog's son. Plus, yes there is a forest in Middle-Earth without darkness upon is such as Lothlorien or the Old Forest. But I understand that from the perspective of an average movie-goer, they would believe the same as what you made a comment on.
Oh, and Bard is NOT a discount Inigo Montoya. The Hobbit (1937), The Princess Bride (1973)...
I'm not being negative towards the video at all, just pointing out some reason.
I agree. First off I actually like what they did with Bolg in the movie. He feels different to Azog but you can see he is related. It just wasn't explained in the movie. Secondly I think Bard in the movie is more of a discount Will Turner from POTC. xD
I liked this movie a lot but I wouldn't say loved like I did the first one or LOTR trilogy but I can see it growing on me. And also to be honest, even though I like the prequels (don't hate me), I don't think that Peter Jackson is turning into George Lucas. Lucas is a business man and always has been since the original trilogy and Peter Jackson is a film maker who in my opinion is one of the best. These movies are very difficult to balance. You have to please fans of the books as well as fans of the movies, plus make it still accessible for the general audience. Its a tough ask and I think no one could do it better than Jackson for the Hobbit.
Although I will admit, even as a Middle Earth fan, these movies could have been 2 rather than 3, but I'm not complaining as its just more Middle Earth films that I will watch over and over again. I love them! :)
***** Funnily enough, Orcs can reproduce sexually. There are references to orc children in the Hobbit and other books. Its not explained in the movie but to be honest that could be said for a lot of things in LOTR or any movie for that matter. xD
Um, he's saying the bard *looks* like a discount Inigo Montoya, as in the movies, I mean, there's like no argument here that the books don't matter in this case.
D4haka97 Most of the orcs look alike because the are all from the same place in Middle Earth. In LOTR, the armies of Sauron are made up of several different types of orc and are very different in appearance. I think Bolg is a little hard to tell between the other orcs. But he is much larger like Azog and is pretty intimidating at times. I actually like what Azog looks like too. One of the most memorable villains in the series for me. Hes completely white, there are deep scars all over his body and hes like 7 foot tall. I can't wait to see him and Bolg in Battle of Five Armies. :)
D4haka97 I said you can see they are related, but I didn't say that if you didn't know that then you could still tell. If I was just a regular movie goer then no I probably couldn't tell that they were related, but once you know, you can see the similarities.
Also its your opinion, but I personally think that people use the term "suck" far too mcuh and exagerate it for something that actually was not bad. The Hobbit movies have flaws for sure, more than LOTR but I wouldn't say that they suck balls. Batman and Robin, now that is a movie that sucked balls. I honestly don't get the hate. Either people are far too cynical, or they just hate them cos they're new? I don't know. I like them a lot, and I respect your opinion, but one movie? Seriously that would have been far too rushed. Two movies makes far more sense. Movies and books are completely different in structure and in context. You can give so much more inforamtion into a book than you can in a movie. I'm pretty sure if it had been one movie, then it would have been a messy jumbled and far to condensed version of it. Peter Jackson is not a bad film maker. The only reason it was three movies was mainly cos WB wanted another billion bucks from a third film.
I admit, both Hobbit films were padded out, but I'd rather have a much more rich and detailed movie thats longer than a shorter movie that is very quick. 2 films was the minimum to tell this story as it covers so much more in such a small amount of pages, and I think 3 is ok as long as its balanced right that I felt these movies did well for the audiance they had to cater for.
Bolg looks like Azog because he is Azog's son.
Now I'm just imagining what a female orc would look like.
Ew. I don't want to imagine
true we have indeed never seen an orc with tits. maybe they are like dwarves, so alike to the males that we have seen females but we didnt notice lol
Mile Minet my brain its meeeelting meltiing
Mile Minet my brain its meeeelting meltiing
A female orc? Mix between Hillary Clinton and Lindsey Lohan
Gotta admire the dubs you did at the end , some of the best♥️
Just by simply playing audio from Sherlock you've made my go watch it
I was genuinely upset after I read the book. The Hobbit could have easily been one film (MAYBE two if you want to include everything). But the movies include tons of stuff to cater to LotR fans instead of the actual plot of the story. I understand that people are saying, 'Just enjoy the movie' but there are points that are just downright ridiculous and obviously pandering to LotR crowds that you just KNOW Tolkien wouldn't have written. It just makes me really sad. :\
I'm a LotR fan and I can't stand these films. The inclusion of Legolas just pissed me off. Someday, someone should remake this movie as it was WRITTEN by Tolkien and draw inspiration from Peter Jackson's original trilogy. He certainly can't do it right himself anymore. I guess the years of success and praise just turned him into another George Lucas.
Cool Guy you really have to read all the books, including the "unfinished tales". Theres a whole backround and side plots that exist all around these stories.
surely no-one is defending these movies with a straight face?
Another sin: why didnt they just get the eagles to fly them to the mountain?! Instead of going on foot and going through that sh*t. It would make the movie a lot shorter, instead of leaving the audience waiting for a year for the rest of the story. Also, the barrel chase says a hardy ``f*ck you`` to physics.
Smaug, he would take the eagles Roget out of the sky. Also, it was explained in the book on how they farmers shoot them down because they take the farmers sheep.
of course because fire breathing dragons and magic spells definitely don't effect the laws of physics in any way at all.
***** i can say my opinion. And thanks for that "Smarty" comment.
BartJ583 yep, c:
Lol it's not "all smarty" it's fucking logic
I love how you play the "king beneath the mountain" scene right after you see Thorin crawling out of the toilet.
LOL! Good on ya for using a Sherlock reference at the end :P LOVE IT!