Unfortunately, as the last member of my household to play this...I had already been beaten to death with the spoiler bat. I knew going into it. But still a fantastic game, and yeah, knowing just meant I saw how it all tied together.
Playing this through the second time, it's insane how many hints are dropped. Perhaps the most notable being: Vandarr: "You and she are linked, by a powerful bond shared between you ever since ---" Vrook: "Master Vandarr!" Vandarr: "Since Taris..."
Bastila to revan ‘your like no man I’ve known before and your not like I expected you to be after..... after the council sent us on this mission together
This was the first moment in gaming that actually affected my real life. I think we, the players, reactions mirrored how Revan must have felt here very well. I was depressed for days, that after working so many ours on finding a way to defeat Malak, and doing everything light side you find out that you are the bad guy.
Well, WERE the bad guy. Revan did cause most of the trouble that happens in the game, but after his mind wipe he isn't *THE* bad guy unless you the player were actively following the path of evil.
Replying to a 7y old comment, for a nearly 20y old game… I can feel the arthritis looming over the memories of installing games from CDs, ROFL.. But anywho, just wanted to share my story for the revelation - My first ever playthrough, 2006 or 07 I think, I had to spend summer at a place where we didn’t have internet (and even if we did I didn’t care much for it at the time), no phone, no nothing, just my slow ass computer, and the KOTOR install discs… What started as “Ughhh how will I survive this?” Turned out to be one of the greatest summers and experiences I’ve ever had, and it was mostly thanks to this masterpiece and the revelation scene… I had no idea when the game would end, and here comes this scene, after what felt like the end game battle (on the deck of the ship).. I’m watching intensely, barely putting together what the hell just happened, completely forgetting that there’s still one star map to go, the fact that Bastila is now captured, and that I hadn’t even visited Korriban at the time - Nothing mattered at that moment, I was just so captured by the moment that when the cutscene finished and I realized the game is definitely continuing on, I had to save, quit, and in fact took a pause of about a week, just thinking about how could I have missed something so obviously right in front me, and how scary the ending must be if this is just the B part… Half-Life made me energetic.. Deus Ex made me think.. GTA San Andreas made me happy.. But KOTOR.. It made me “feel”, like a person telling you a story so engaging, you feel like that’s now a part of you… Never gonna forget this awesome piece of art. :-)
I have a tendency to read a lot about games before playing them. Usually this is advantageous, but sometimes I wish I could forget everything and try it out completely fresh...
I have a hilarious memory about this game: When I was kid I decided to create a new game with my character being named Revan. Bec I thought it'd be funny if there's a twist within the plot twist, "Revan, you're Revan all along!! Mwhahaha. Oh wait..." But after played the new game for awhile I realized I've spelled the name wrong, my character was Raven LOL. Epic fail
The best twist in a computergame ever. This plot is a worthy sucsesor to the famus twist in "Empire strikes back". "No I am you father". I never realised it the first time i played the game. The feling when you true identety was revealed was amazing!
@@spirit123459 That's totally justifiable, it wasn't just any dark jedi or sith, it was the Dark Lord of the Sith himself. Jedi have to kill Sith in battle. HOwever, the shitfest that rian johnson did is not justifiable.
It was strange that I just took it for granted that Revan was dead. I didn't pay much attention to whether he could be alive or anything. So I thought: "Well, I am just a random soldier who suddenly gets to know that I am are force sensitive." Standard story, I guessed...! I was stunned that there was so many hints hidden behind those words said by the different characters. I admit, I had no clue about that I would be Revan. Outstanding job by Bioware!
This moment got to me because it was, without a doubt, one of those " I shoulda seen it coming" events. Almost on par with the " No, I am your father" twist.....almost.
It doesn't matter how many times I play this game, this part shocks me every time. All the hints to your true identity beforehand....... just perfectly executed =]
Am i the only one who thinks Bastila was one of the best female chars in RPG games?voice is just mesmerizing really and the way they made her char in game was really good i really thought it was one of the best characteristics of KOTOR. She even pwns all characters in KOTOR 2 as well. And ofc Revan to me owns every character in the star wars universe...his story is just amazing go to wookiepedia and read about him its really fascinating!
BEST...TWIST...EVER!!!!!! ONLY THING THAT EVEN COMES CLOSE IS THE "I AM YOUR FATHER" LINE FROM THE MOVIES!!!! if anyone has not played the original games drop by my channel i have reviews for both!!
Back in the day, my brother showed me this cutscene in the game files, giddy over the Revan reveal. Meanwhile, I had zero context on what he was talking about. Thus, when I started playing the game myself, I chose the player character name "Dack Raven."
My mouth dropped open when this twist was dropped on us. To know that so many lines before had been foreshadowings... I don't think anyone guessed what was the truth.
You're wrong. It is you as a player that has the identity crisis in the game. You don't know what to believe anymore after the revelation. Also you have several dialogue options that clearly indicates that the character felt confused
Bioware does it best! This and Me1 confrontation with Sovreign best moments in gaming I've ever experienced. (2 noteworthy moments also: HL1 Chapter where the marines enter the base ending was also pretty good and MGS3 ending well MGS4 ending also!!)
It's even better when your Revan is female. Poor Carth realises the woman he's in love with blew up his homeworld's surface killing his wife. I know Canderous corrects him that it was Malak who did it, but it was much later after the escape from Leviathan.
I knew Revan was alive, but I didn't even consider the possibility that I was actually him. My theory was that Bastila was a villain who had developed feelings for Revan, betrayed her fellow Jedi and secretly took Revan off the ship, nursed him to health and became his new pupil, and that she was his spy using me as a means to kill Malak, that way once I killed him, she'd reveal herself and Revan would come out of hiding to retake the Sith. But the actual plot twist was MUCH more shocking!
That's what I was saying. I've seen plenty of RPG games where your main character had plenty of things to say. All they had to do was write extra dialogue. Go up to Jolee and Carth and talk about your past crimes, or your identity, trying to get your memory back......
Ed Phillips you would have to do something to set it aside from the prequel trilogy. One thought I had would be giving him a name other than Revan as his real name. And only revealing it was Revan for sure when he puts the mask on. Another thing would be to give him some kind of trauma to make him hate Mandalorians, or at least be eager to fight them.
One of the most Mind blown revelations in gaming history. I've played this game several times. I am writing some fan fic for Revan and I am pretty sure, Revan would have been ready to beat Bastila into the ground for lying all this time about who they were.
CuteGallifreyian I believe he would be conflicted about killing her. He was a selfish person, which led to him becoming corrupted by the Dark Side. But when he saw the sufferings of all his companions, he had an awakening. He also felt bound to keep his word too. Remember he did tell her mother he would keep her daughter safe.
@JimboJoy i agree, i was completely shocked when i saw this. Kotor is probably the closest thing to the original trilogy that we have. To bad they didnt make a movie out of this.
whats really silly about this is i never saw it coming! yet when u play over it again! its so obvious! the councils talks etc make alot more sense in a way
That's taking the easy way out. Ok, your characters didn't care that you were Revan, other than Carth and Bastila no one really cared about anything. But guess what, your player-character didn't care either. He had no identity crisis, no struggle, he didn't care about his past crimes, he didn't care that he was an evil sith, he didn't care about what kind of person he was, he didn't question himself, he didn't question the Jedi council, he was just......ok with it. not very good writing..
Epic moment, I played it yesterday again, as a Jedi. It felt so wrong.... I think Revan should always be a Sith. It's the only game I have to choose the dark side because it's so awesome :D
I have to admit, this is probably the biggest plot twist I've ever seen in a game...and FF7 doesn't count because that game thought it could substitute plot twists instead of an actual plot...
I dare say that this surpasses the Vader-Luke Revelation! This is that good!! Please Disney, do the right thing and get it right this time! Have Michael Fassbender play the part of Revan, Emily Blunt the part of Bastilla, and Edris Elba Malak!
@@DG-um3xi sure, but SPOILERS coming up? Darth Revan is the Dark Lord of the Sith (like Emperor Palpatine), and his apprentice is Sith Lord Darth Malak. Before they turned to the Dark Side, they were very powerful and heroic Jedi, especially Master Jedi Revan. After he leads the Old Republic to a convinving defeat of the Mandalorians, they chase the remaining forces to the unknown regions, and when both come back, they are now leading a grand force of Sith troops and begin to decimate the Republic. Bastilla Zahn a top Jedi leads a team of Jedi to board Revan's capital ship, before they capture him, Malak turns on his master (Revan) and Revan is killed in the traitorous assualt. Now, Malak is the new Dark Lord of the Sith and he has innumerable sources to defeat the Old Republic led by the remaining Jedi. A fast ascending and promising new Jedi gives the Old Republic hope, and throughot the game this new Jedi grows in power until Malak learns of this powerful Jedi and decides to set a trap for him. He succeeds and both face off, but Malak is so evil that he merely does it for entertainment because he is still much more powerful than this new Jedi. The real reason he sets his trap for this new Jedi is because he wanted to see for himself if it "was true" about what his acolytes were telling Malak. You see Malak wanted to be the one to tell this new Jedi about how the Jedi had wiped his memory and why he was so formidable in the force. "What? All this time and you didnt know?" Malak reveals to this powerful Jedi that he has been Revan all along.
@awaker200 I already know he is part of the taral v flashpoint that leads the republic classes to rescue the prisoner. But Bioware has stated they will conclude Revan's story in the Old Republic. There's no screenshot of revan. and the trailer you are referring to i am aware of as well. Again nothing was stated that revan was alive in that trailer they just hinted at the possibility but way confirmed that he is alive. All that we do know is that he plays a major role in both faction story
@staten0267 Yeah, I know. But that doesn't mean such a game wont be released, be fair I'm sure you would like that as well since, judging by your comment, you're a fan of the KOTOR series like me. I hope Bioware doesn't just kill Revan off. For example like, he died in the Outer Rim, without giving any detailed information about his possible death. But I wonder if you have to play as a sith or as a force wielder to figure it out, I hope the Smuggler can find it out too.
@Recrafting What nonsense is this?. Mandalorians existed a long time before Revan, in fact Mandalorian wars happened before the Jedi Civil war depictec in KOTOR, which Revan and Malak as padawans rallied forces agains them in their youth. Mandalorians are a very ancient warrior society, so I'm not sure where did you get that "Mandalorians would have never existed"??
I whish you could have stilled played as revan in kotor II. the story would have been so much better. revan returns from unknown space to find the galaxy in turmoil and so swears to libiratew it, or once again conquer it. and if you wanted to make the player go back to level 1 you could say that the true sith weakened Revan. Thats my opinion any way.
This reminds me of the scene in "The Empire Strikes Back" when Vader reveals that he was Luke's father. When I first saw it, I was all like "THAT'S NOT TRUE! THAT'S IMPOSSIBLE! T_T" Kind of the same denial reaction Luke had. Now imagine being a light-sided character, with a few streaks of evil (but overall good guy), but then you were told you used to be an evil Sith Master responsible of millions of deaths. Talk about mind-fuck.
God Bioware, how did it go so wrong? For those who want to know... *SPOILER* Revan goes back to the Sith, is defeated by them and does practically nothing for three hundred years. The Jedi exile also goes back and gets killed. Now pay money every month to find out what happens next. Fucking EA....
@MaadDawg1 The original trilogy... is classic. It was amazing and revolutionary, so, this game would probably come up second to the original trilogy. The reason I say this is because The Phantom Menace pretty much ruined the Force with that midichlorine crap. >:(
DId anyone else have Vrook and Zhar's robes switch round in-game, but be like this in the cutscenes? And on Kotor 2, it was fun, but couldn't touch Kotor 1, it annoyed me how, after saving the galaxy in the first one, everything had still gone to shit anyways in the second...
@ACTIVEDEVICE haha same....the best twist in story,i remember all those year back when i was playing it i never expected this.I did thought Reven could perhaps be alive and maybe a boss you fight but this was crazy,better storyline then star wars movies
Best. Twist. Ever. How I wished I was playing it Dark Side, I could've literally throttled Bastila. I had to play the whole thing over as a bad guy. And then several more times, just for good measure. ...hmm, I wonder if it'd run all over again on my 360?
In all honesty this game should have never been made, I wish there was some way Lucas could have made a KOTOR triology instead of the prequels. I mean this was just about as shocking as " I am your father"
Okay Bioware don't make a KOTOR 3.. but give us a remake of the original KOTOR. How awesome would that be? Be honest you know it would fuckin rock with Mass Effect conversation and the original gameplay.
No, I'm your father ! lame...it always repeated in any media if the big bad had relationship with the hero. But if the (insert name here) is a hero and an amnesia big bad that will shocking enough audiences
Definatly NOT. The stupid mass effect "Wheel circle" Is stupid. This game is better then Mass effect by a long shot,Nothing can beat it. Not even the colorful explosions in mass effect 3!
@HawaiiKnut I had something similar happen in KOTOR 2. When the handmaiden showed up and stole my ship, I got really excited that Revan was in the game. (My character looked exactly like her.)
Revan punished bastila by having a child with her :)) (no official info but hinted: At some point after the Jedi Civil War, Bastila conceived and gave birth to at least one child, taken from SWwikia)
@papermario1995 Agree, I wish bioware made another game where Revan is the main character. Where you can decide whether you were Light or Dark side and continue your quest in the outer rim.
Bioware my friends,as you can see,is the best at their job,The Old Republic is allready doing amazingly for early develop stages the game will be epic! Check their official website for more info :)
Try this its the latest patch 1.03D just change your launcher with this, you backup your original launcher just in case, it should solve quite some problem espicially if you run on an intel mac
That is what was great about this game, the intricaqte storyline and twists. Awesome game! I loved it...has to be among my favorites. AS for Kotor 2...I got bored very early on with that one.
Bastilia set me up and carth as well thats why i never trusted them again ...papitia quinn it should have been trusrt and honesty from bastilia and carth as close as we were...papatia Quinn/ Real Name Wanda
We all fell for this one. We all fell for our master's betrayal in Jade Empire. And people still say that believing in the indoctrination theory in ME3 is "giving Bioware too much credit".
@JimboJoy Yeah hands down. When I first saw this part I was like... whoa... HOLY S*IT!! I'M REVAN!! then after about 5 minutes I was like "sweeeeeeettttt... redeemed Jedi FTW."
it would have been great in kotor 2 if maybe you could visit those old star forge maps, for all those good times... but really kotor2 was quite boring all i liked was atton
In most games and movies I can see the ending of them before im half way through them.... but this game my mouth was left wide open when this plot twist came around.
i'm trying to find the cutscene videos from KOTOR, but I can't find them anywhere. I'm making a tribute and want these videos in it. Can someone help me plz?
There are patches but none never ever really solved the problem, save often its the only tjing I can say and also you can quick save with f5 learn it its usefull.
I remember watching that and thinking, "No way!" I couldn't believe I'd been playing as REVAN!!! I thought there had to be some mistake! And then when it was found to be true, I felt like an idiot for missing all the obvious verbal clues.
So I just played this game for the first time (having seen Revan in swtor, I had to check out the actual backstory, and I'm glad I did), and... well, I'm a bit miffed at the Jedi Order. In fact, I think they're a bit hypocritical. I believe it was stated somewhere in the game that wiping someone's mind was dark force magic. It certainly feels like it. So that's one massive point against them. Also, one of Revan's lines to Bastila near the end stated that everyone needs to follow their own path; people can't make it for them (light side Revan believed this, anyway). Malak also presents an interesting point during their first confrontation that the Jedi basically inserted Revan with a completely new identity full of Republic propaganda to ensure his loyalty. Revan's entire life, everything he knows after being mindfucked, is a lie. It's sure to drive anyone insane, but somehow, because he's Revan, he manages to keep his cool. (Probably.) It's basically brainwashing at it's most cruel, imo, because not only did Revan lose his previous identity and has no way of ever recovering them now (or so Bastila claims), he was also robbed of choosing his own path (a theme in Kotor, if there ever was one). True, Revan can still go darkside if you want him too, but it's not the same. He will never be what he once was, nor will he ever fully recover his memories from even *before* going Sith. It's true that the Sith lifestyle ends in death, and Revan was destined to die if the Jedi hadn't "saved" him, but imo, it's better to die a willing Sith, however evil, then be mindfucked by the Jedi into serving their needs for them. They basically did exactly what the Emperor did--used him like a tool for their own purposes. The only reason the Jedi did what they did was because they couldn't afford to lose Revan as an asset. He was considered one of the most, if not the most, powerful force users in the galaxy. It was a cold, calculated decision, and they covered it up with some phony chance at redemption. Give me a break. Argh! I think this is further shown in swtor, when Revan is finally freed from the Emperor's imprisonment after three hundred years of torture (having also obviously gone insane). They claimed to get involved because Revan was a hero, but it was only to get to the Emperor himself. They didn't give a toss about Revan, as was seen when Revan disappears after losing to the Imperials in the Foundry dungeon (he did not die, that much is obvious). From what I can tell, the Republic never bothered to pursue Revan, bring him back to the light, or take care of him after three hundred years of torture. Three hundred years, subject to the cruelty of the darkest force in the entire galaxy. The first Sith emperor, a being of pure dark energy by that point. One would think if the Republic actually cared about his welfare by more than just a tool, they would have done *something* other than throw him at the nearest problem like a battering ram. Argh, Revan feels. I hope in swtor, if there's ever an expansion, he at least gets some sort of resolution. The man had quite possibly the shittiest life I've ever seen in a story.
I've not finished the game just yet so excuse me if I get anything wrong. I just played through Revan's revelation last night so this is still fresh in my head. The Jedi did not wipe Revan's mind, it had already been damaged by Malak's surprise attack. Willingly restoring his mind to that of the Dark Lord's would have been detrimental to the whole "saving the galaxy" Jedi biz, as would killing him as he was their only hope of finding the Star Forge. Your line of reasoning is faulty because it deals too much in absolutes, which is what the Jedi strive to distance themselves from. Often context is more important in these cases. Is willingly refraining from restoring a man's memory when one has the capability to do so wrong? Most people would answer yes. Now what if said man was a ruthless, oppressive overlord? What if leaving him in such a state was the only shot at saving a galaxy? I'm sure if you presented this as a hypothetical to Revan when he was a Jedi he would have agreed with the Council's decision. They did use him for their own ends, but (again context) those ends were entirely selfless. The Jedi seek only to restore and maintain peace in the galaxy. That one goal guided their actions, not some deceptive ploy to gain power for their organization or some such as the Sith would have done. How you see the Council's actions as "cold" and "calculating" I don't know.
Bacon Tree he wasn't a willing Sith, though. He and Malak journeyed to the Unknown Regions after finding out that the (up until then unknown) Sith Empire had pushed the Mandalorians to attack the Republic. Revan and Malak eventually found the Sith Emperor, who effortlessly defeated them both and reprogrammed their minds to make them become Sith. Eventually they broke free of his control and became Sith for themselves, but Revan was never a "willing" Sith to begin with.
The Jedi didn't erase his memory, he suffered a memory loss from being badly injured and unconscious for so long. They simple prevented him from being totally brain dead by giving him a different personality. The Emperor only could control him and Malak because he was already lost and corrupted by the Dark Side by that point. The second time he came to the Emperor, he would not turn evil. In his time, he was literally among the most powerful in the force, similar to how Anakin was the prequel trilogy. They wanted to recruit him to their cause because he would be a powerful asset to help them win.
"What greater weapon is there than to turn an enemy to your cause? To use their own knowledge against them?"
Chills. Fucking chills every time.
Agreed, you can sum up the entire plot with that one sentence.
That gave birth to the Illusive Man.
I was like: "No...no, don't you tell me-"
*Revan Reveal Cutscene*
"...I was The Dark Lord himself...I was The *Dark Lord of THE SITH!?*"
Kreia-level shit right there
Unfortunately, as the last member of my household to play this...I had already been beaten to death with the spoiler bat. I knew going into it. But still a fantastic game, and yeah, knowing just meant I saw how it all tied together.
Playing this through the second time, it's insane how many hints are dropped. Perhaps the most notable being:
Vandarr: "You and she are linked, by a powerful bond shared between you ever since ---"
Vrook: "Master Vandarr!"
Vandarr: "Since Taris..."
Brian Sheehan, yes! I noticed that in my most recent playthrough. So many hints!
I found “is Revan truly dead? what if we undertake to train this one and the dark lord should return?- Master Vrook
Bastila to revan ‘your like no man I’ve known before and your not like I expected you to be after..... after the council sent us on this mission together
When does that conversation between Vandarr and Vrook happen? I've never gotten it.
@@TheUltimateNaturalDantooine, when you check in with the council. You must have seen it, maybe just didn’t pay attention.
This was the first moment in gaming that actually affected my real life. I think we, the players, reactions mirrored how Revan must have felt here very well. I was depressed for days, that after working so many ours on finding a way to defeat Malak, and doing everything light side you find out that you are the bad guy.
Speak for yourself! I felt so good to discover i was Revan, all hail me!
como te poni mal por un juego, qlo intenso xd
Well, WERE the bad guy. Revan did cause most of the trouble that happens in the game, but after his mind wipe he isn't *THE* bad guy unless you the player were actively following the path of evil.
@@nilius7974 You must be Shilean
Replying to a 7y old comment, for a nearly 20y old game… I can feel the arthritis looming over the memories of installing games from CDs, ROFL.. But anywho, just wanted to share my story for the revelation - My first ever playthrough, 2006 or 07 I think, I had to spend summer at a place where we didn’t have internet (and even if we did I didn’t care much for it at the time), no phone, no nothing, just my slow ass computer, and the KOTOR install discs… What started as “Ughhh how will I survive this?” Turned out to be one of the greatest summers and experiences I’ve ever had, and it was mostly thanks to this masterpiece and the revelation scene… I had no idea when the game would end, and here comes this scene, after what felt like the end game battle (on the deck of the ship).. I’m watching intensely, barely putting together what the hell just happened, completely forgetting that there’s still one star map to go, the fact that Bastila is now captured, and that I hadn’t even visited Korriban at the time - Nothing mattered at that moment, I was just so captured by the moment that when the cutscene finished and I realized the game is definitely continuing on, I had to save, quit, and in fact took a pause of about a week, just thinking about how could I have missed something so obviously right in front me, and how scary the ending must be if this is just the B part…
Half-Life made me energetic.. Deus Ex made me think.. GTA San Andreas made me happy.. But KOTOR.. It made me “feel”, like a person telling you a story so engaging, you feel like that’s now a part of you… Never gonna forget this awesome piece of art. :-)
I have a tendency to read a lot about games before playing them. Usually this is advantageous, but sometimes I wish I could forget everything and try it out completely fresh...
+Chaotic Khajiit I know how you feel man, I get too curious and I ruin it.
Chaotic Khajiit I'm glad the only spoiler I know is the villain thing
I love the way Bastila says: "Manaan" 😍
Mind=blown all the way to Manann.
I have a hilarious memory about this game:
When I was kid I decided to create a new game with my character being named Revan. Bec I thought it'd be funny if there's a twist within the plot twist, "Revan, you're Revan all along!! Mwhahaha. Oh wait..." But after played the new game for awhile I realized I've spelled the name wrong, my character was Raven LOL. Epic fail
That's so Raven
+Thomas Willard 😂😂😂
this alone made the whole old republic more interesting than the sequel trilogy's pissing contest between JJ Abrams and R Johnson
we need Revan stories in netflix now!
Pls no, not now
The best twist in a computergame ever. This plot is a worthy sucsesor to the famus twist in "Empire strikes back". "No I am you father". I never realised it the first time i played the game. The feling when you true identety was revealed was amazing!
"The Jedi don't believe in execution"
*The Last Jedi objects*
Also Mace Windu objects.
@@spirit123459 That's totally justifiable, it wasn't just any dark jedi or sith, it was the Dark Lord of the Sith himself. Jedi have to kill Sith in battle. HOwever, the shitfest that rian johnson did is not justifiable.
Anakin as well
Videos on KOTOR are my escape from those shitty Disney abominations. Begone.
damn after all these years.... I still can't believe that Bastilla will never sit on my face
She had to sit on revans first
LOL. Yeah, that would be great. She is probably tight too.
It was strange that I just took it for granted that Revan was dead. I didn't pay much attention to whether he could be alive or anything. So I thought: "Well, I am just a random soldier who suddenly gets to know that I am are force sensitive." Standard story, I guessed...!
I was stunned that there was so many hints hidden behind those words said by the different characters. I admit, I had no clue about that I would be Revan.
Outstanding job by Bioware!
When I already knew revelation before playing it really spoiled the fun.
This moment got to me because it was, without a doubt, one of those " I shoulda seen it coming" events. Almost on par with the " No, I am your father" twist.....almost.
It doesn't matter how many times I play this game, this part shocks me every time. All the hints to your true identity beforehand....... just perfectly executed =]
HIS MOMENT IS FOREVER ETCHED IN MY MIND.. I CAN NEVER FORGET IT.. WHAT A PLOT TWIST...
Disney... Learn about this, and stop screwing it.
Am i the only one who thinks Bastila was one of the best female chars in RPG games?voice is just mesmerizing really and the way they made her char in game was really good i really thought it was one of the best characteristics of KOTOR. She even pwns all characters in KOTOR 2 as well. And ofc Revan to me owns every character in the star wars universe...his story is just amazing go to wookiepedia and read about him its really fascinating!
BEST...TWIST...EVER!!!!!!
ONLY THING THAT EVEN COMES CLOSE IS THE "I AM YOUR FATHER" LINE FROM THE MOVIES!!!!
if anyone has not played the original games drop by my channel i have reviews for both!!
this makes my heart hurt
Rivals "I am your father" for the greatest twist of all time!
Back in the day, my brother showed me this cutscene in the game files, giddy over the Revan reveal. Meanwhile, I had zero context on what he was talking about. Thus, when I started playing the game myself, I chose the player character name "Dack Raven."
My mouth dropped open when this twist was dropped on us. To know that so many lines before had been foreshadowings... I don't think anyone guessed what was the truth.
This is the biggest twist ever
bro there SO MANY obv hints yet the new player wouldnt know the twist without it being spoiled
You're wrong. It is you as a player that has the identity crisis in the game. You don't know what to believe anymore after the revelation. Also you have several dialogue options that clearly indicates that the character felt confused
Bioware does it best! This and Me1 confrontation with Sovreign best moments in gaming I've ever experienced.
(2 noteworthy moments also: HL1 Chapter where the marines enter the base ending was also pretty good and MGS3 ending well MGS4 ending also!!)
It's even better when your Revan is female. Poor Carth realises the woman he's in love with blew up his homeworld's surface killing his wife. I know Canderous corrects him that it was Malak who did it, but it was much later after the escape from Leviathan.
It was actually Malak that gave the order to decimate Carth's home.
I knew Revan was alive, but I didn't even consider the possibility that I was actually him.
My theory was that Bastila was a villain who had developed feelings for Revan, betrayed her fellow Jedi and secretly took Revan off the ship, nursed him to health and became his new pupil, and that she was his spy using me as a means to kill Malak, that way once I killed him, she'd reveal herself and Revan would come out of hiding to retake the Sith.
But the actual plot twist was MUCH more shocking!
CLASSIC
A highlight in original Xbox history. This is coming from a guy who spent most of his 6th grade year playing Kotor
I'll never forget the first time I saw this. Completely blew me away.
i played through this game about 4 - 5 times, and KOTOR 2 about 3 times. and after a few years of not playing it i will definitely play both again!
That's what I was saying. I've seen plenty of RPG games where your main character had plenty of things to say. All they had to do was write extra dialogue. Go up to Jolee and Carth and talk about your past crimes, or your identity, trying to get your memory back......
Wait you mean my Character is Revan ?
Have you finished the game?
Bruh it literally said spoiler in the title how could you miss that?
Cannot wait to see the reaction this gets when it is made into a movie.
Ed Phillips you would have to do something to set it aside from the prequel trilogy. One thought I had would be giving him a name other than Revan as his real name. And only revealing it was Revan for sure when he puts the mask on. Another thing would be to give him some kind of trauma to make him hate Mandalorians, or at least be eager to fight them.
One of the most Mind blown revelations in gaming history. I've played this game several times. I am writing some fan fic for Revan and I am pretty sure, Revan would have been ready to beat Bastila into the ground for lying all this time about who they were.
CuteGallifreyian I believe he would be conflicted about killing her. He was a selfish person, which led to him becoming corrupted by the Dark Side. But when he saw the sufferings of all his companions, he had an awakening. He also felt bound to keep his word too. Remember he did tell her mother he would keep her daughter safe.
@JimboJoy i agree, i was completely shocked when i saw this. Kotor is probably the closest thing to the original trilogy that we have. To bad they didnt make a movie out of this.
whats really silly about this is i never saw it coming! yet when u play over it again! its so obvious! the councils talks etc make alot more sense in a way
The Jedi discussing whether or not to make you a padawan.
“And what if Revan were to return?”
Me on my second playthrough - “LOL”
Thumbs up if you remember this moment as the most shocking gaming moment of all time! Talk about a mind-fuck, but then you're like... OMFG Cool!
That's taking the easy way out. Ok, your characters didn't care that you were Revan, other than Carth and Bastila no one really cared about anything. But guess what, your player-character didn't care either. He had no identity crisis, no struggle, he didn't care about his past crimes, he didn't care that he was an evil sith, he didn't care about what kind of person he was, he didn't question himself, he didn't question the Jedi council, he was just......ok with it.
not very good writing..
I miss this game everything was so well made..you actually identufied with the character and owned their soul as you pleased
There is no need to mark it as a spoiler. Most kotor fans will just dismiss the TOR story as bullshit, especially the revan part
Actually it could mean anything from when Bas "kiilled" Raven and he told her something to Revan figuring out his pupil betrayed him
Epic moment, I played it yesterday again, as a Jedi. It felt so wrong.... I think Revan should always be a Sith. It's the only game I have to choose the dark side because it's so awesome :D
I have to admit, this is probably the biggest plot twist I've ever seen in a game...and FF7 doesn't count because that game thought it could substitute plot twists instead of an actual plot...
I dare say that this surpasses the Vader-Luke Revelation! This is that good!! Please Disney, do the right thing and get it right this time! Have Michael Fassbender play the part of Revan, Emily Blunt the part of Bastilla, and Edris Elba Malak!
Can u explain it for me
@@DG-um3xi sure, but SPOILERS coming up?
Darth Revan is the Dark Lord of the Sith (like Emperor Palpatine), and his apprentice is Sith Lord Darth Malak. Before they turned to the Dark Side, they were very powerful and heroic Jedi, especially Master Jedi Revan. After he leads the Old Republic to a convinving defeat of the Mandalorians, they chase the remaining forces to the unknown regions, and when both come back, they are now leading a grand force of Sith troops and begin to decimate the Republic. Bastilla Zahn a top Jedi leads a team of Jedi to board Revan's capital ship, before they capture him, Malak turns on his master (Revan) and Revan is killed in the traitorous assualt. Now, Malak is the new Dark Lord of the Sith and he has innumerable sources to defeat the Old Republic led by the remaining Jedi. A fast ascending and promising new Jedi gives the Old Republic hope, and throughot the game this new Jedi grows in power until Malak learns of this powerful Jedi and decides to set a trap for him. He succeeds and both face off, but Malak is so evil that he merely does it for entertainment because he is still much more powerful than this new Jedi. The real reason he sets his trap for this new Jedi is because he wanted to see for himself if it "was true" about what his acolytes were telling Malak. You see Malak wanted to be the one to tell this new Jedi about how the Jedi had wiped his memory and why he was so formidable in the force. "What? All this time and you didnt know?" Malak reveals to this powerful Jedi that he has been Revan all along.
@@datrevmeister thankk youuu. Just a quick one, in this video which is the key part telling the viewer the revelation of revan
@@DG-um3xi right after they fall into Malak's trap. Malak cannot believe Revan doesnt know or remember that he is Revan.
@awaker200 I already know he is part of the taral v flashpoint that leads the republic classes to rescue the prisoner. But Bioware has stated they will conclude Revan's story in the Old Republic. There's no screenshot of revan. and the trailer you are referring to i am aware of as well. Again nothing was stated that revan was alive in that trailer they just hinted at the possibility but way confirmed that he is alive.
All that we do know is that he plays a major role in both faction story
@staten0267
Yeah, I know.
But that doesn't mean such a game wont be released, be fair I'm sure you would like that as well since, judging by your comment, you're a fan of the KOTOR series like me.
I hope Bioware doesn't just kill Revan off.
For example like, he died in the Outer Rim, without giving any detailed information about his possible death.
But I wonder if you have to play as a sith or as a force wielder to figure it out, I hope the Smuggler can find it out too.
@Recrafting What nonsense is this?. Mandalorians existed a long time before Revan, in fact Mandalorian wars happened before the Jedi Civil war depictec in KOTOR, which Revan and Malak as padawans rallied forces agains them in their youth. Mandalorians are a very ancient warrior society, so I'm not sure where did you get that "Mandalorians would have never existed"??
I whish you could have stilled played as revan in kotor II. the story would have been so much better.
revan returns from unknown space to find the galaxy in turmoil and so swears to libiratew it, or once again conquer it.
and if you wanted to make the player go back to level 1 you could say that the true sith weakened Revan.
Thats my opinion any way.
This reminds me of the scene in "The Empire Strikes Back" when Vader reveals that he was Luke's father.
When I first saw it, I was all like "THAT'S NOT TRUE! THAT'S IMPOSSIBLE! T_T" Kind of the same denial reaction Luke had. Now imagine being a light-sided character, with a few streaks of evil (but overall good guy), but then you were told you used to be an evil Sith Master responsible of millions of deaths.
Talk about mind-fuck.
God Bioware, how did it go so wrong? For those who want to know...
*SPOILER*
Revan goes back to the Sith, is defeated by them and does practically nothing for three hundred years. The Jedi exile also goes back and gets killed. Now pay money every month to find out what happens next. Fucking EA....
@MaadDawg1 The original trilogy... is classic. It was amazing and revolutionary, so, this game would probably come up second to the original trilogy. The reason I say this is because The Phantom Menace pretty much ruined the Force with that midichlorine crap. >:(
DId anyone else have Vrook and Zhar's robes switch round in-game, but be like this in the cutscenes?
And on Kotor 2, it was fun, but couldn't touch Kotor 1, it annoyed me how, after saving the galaxy in the first one, everything had still gone to shit anyways in the second...
@ACTIVEDEVICE haha same....the best twist in story,i remember all those year back when i was playing it i never expected this.I did thought Reven could perhaps be alive and maybe a boss you fight but this was crazy,better storyline then star wars movies
Best. Twist. Ever. How I wished I was playing it Dark Side, I could've literally throttled Bastila. I had to play the whole thing over as a bad guy. And then several more times, just for good measure. ...hmm, I wonder if it'd run all over again on my 360?
In all honesty this game should have never been made, I wish there was some way Lucas could have made a KOTOR triology instead of the prequels. I mean this was just about as shocking as " I am your father"
Okay Bioware don't make a KOTOR 3.. but give us a remake of the original KOTOR.
How awesome would that be?
Be honest you know it would fuckin rock with Mass Effect conversation and the original gameplay.
The best video game plot twist I never saw coming, COMPLETELY BLEW MY MIND.
No, I'm your father !
lame...it always repeated in any media if the big bad had relationship with the hero. But if the (insert name here) is a hero and an amnesia big bad that will shocking enough audiences
Definatly NOT.
The stupid mass effect "Wheel circle" Is stupid.
This game is better then Mass effect by a long shot,Nothing can beat it. Not even the colorful explosions in mass effect 3!
@HawaiiKnut I had something similar happen in KOTOR 2. When the handmaiden showed up and stole my ship, I got really excited that Revan was in the game. (My character looked exactly like her.)
Revan punished bastila by having a child with her :)) (no official info but hinted: At some point after the Jedi Civil War, Bastila conceived and gave birth to at least one child, taken from SWwikia)
@papermario1995
Agree, I wish bioware made another game where Revan is the main character.
Where you can decide whether you were Light or Dark side and continue your quest in the outer rim.
Bioware my friends,as you can see,is the best at their job,The Old Republic is allready doing amazingly for early develop stages the game will be epic! Check their official website for more info :)
Try this its the latest patch 1.03D just change your launcher with this, you backup your original launcher just in case, it should solve quite some problem espicially if you run on an intel mac
That is what was great about this game, the intricaqte storyline and twists. Awesome game! I loved it...has to be among my favorites. AS for Kotor 2...I got bored very early on with that one.
Bastilia set me up and carth as well thats why i never trusted them again ...papitia quinn it should have been trusrt and honesty from bastilia and carth as close as we were...papatia Quinn/ Real Name Wanda
We all fell for this one. We all fell for our master's betrayal in Jade Empire. And people still say that believing in the indoctrination theory in ME3 is "giving Bioware too much credit".
@JimboJoy Yeah hands down. When I first saw this part I was like... whoa... HOLY S*IT!! I'M REVAN!!
then after about 5 minutes I was like "sweeeeeeettttt... redeemed Jedi FTW."
it would have been great in kotor 2 if maybe you could visit those old star forge maps, for all those good times...
but really kotor2 was quite boring all i liked was atton
Almost as Level of Darth Vader I AM YOUR FATHER
Oh man this was neat in the game... shocking.
I wasn't smart enough to figure this out before this... Revan rules! =)
In most games and movies I can see the ending of them before im half way through them.... but this game my mouth was left wide open when this plot twist came around.
Could you imagine the Saw theme song playing over this twist?
tatooine? u mean dantooine? nd it end an old guy lmao tis master vrook the shithead :P
i'm trying to find the cutscene videos from KOTOR, but I can't find them anywhere. I'm making a tribute and want these videos in it. Can someone help me plz?
There are patches but none never ever really solved the problem, save often its the only tjing I can say and also you can quick save with f5 learn it its usefull.
Probably the greatest twist ive ever seen in a game, hell, maybe even the greatest twist ive ever seen period
Why aren't these games available for download over the Xbox Live Arcade? It would be a pretty good promotional campaign for "The Old Republic."
@FellFather They will be concluding the Kotor series with The Old Republic. Revan and the Exiles stories will finally come to an end in the game.
true it was obvious, but the game disguises it so well you dont realize it till the revelation. then you think "wow, how did i miss that?" lol.
When I first saw this almost ten years ago, my jaw literally hit the floor.
I remember watching that and thinking, "No way!" I couldn't believe I'd been playing as REVAN!!! I thought there had to be some mistake! And then when it was found to be true, I felt like an idiot for missing all the obvious verbal clues.
This is on par or better than the twist on Episode V at Bespin.
Now, it's the equivilant of finding out that.... you're the Emperor!
Yeah the engine was a bit better, but the Compainions sucked, The Story sucked (I don't even remember why you needed the masters anyway...)
I was so annoyed, I leant the game to a mate and he was playing on this bit of the game when i picked it up and i accidentally saw :S
@HawaiiKnut yeah, this game ranks way up there as far as games. and the sequel wasn't bad, but it wasn't as good as this one.
i find out when i fought Malak, but i got suspicous when that old guy on tatooine said: it can lead ye to an old familair pad
@BrownTown45 its not going to happen especially if you have played SWTOR Revan story comes to an end in that game.
No thanks, the mass effect wheel needs to stay with mass effect, we all learned that lesson with dragon age 2.
The first 2 times I played this game I didn't care about the plot, not after a while I understood the tagline
@FellFather bioware created the whole revan storyline they can do whatever the fuck they please with him.
This how the Rey Palpatine reveal should of been
So I just played this game for the first time (having seen Revan in swtor, I had to check out the actual backstory, and I'm glad I did), and... well, I'm a bit miffed at the Jedi Order. In fact, I think they're a bit hypocritical.
I believe it was stated somewhere in the game that wiping someone's mind was dark force magic. It certainly feels like it. So that's one massive point against them. Also, one of Revan's lines to Bastila near the end stated that everyone needs to follow their own path; people can't make it for them (light side Revan believed this, anyway). Malak also presents an interesting point during their first confrontation that the Jedi basically inserted Revan with a completely new identity full of Republic propaganda to ensure his loyalty. Revan's entire life, everything he knows after being mindfucked, is a lie. It's sure to drive anyone insane, but somehow, because he's Revan, he manages to keep his cool. (Probably.)
It's basically brainwashing at it's most cruel, imo, because not only did Revan lose his previous identity and has no way of ever recovering them now (or so Bastila claims), he was also robbed of choosing his own path (a theme in Kotor, if there ever was one). True, Revan can still go darkside if you want him too, but it's not the same. He will never be what he once was, nor will he ever fully recover his memories from even *before* going Sith.
It's true that the Sith lifestyle ends in death, and Revan was destined to die if the Jedi hadn't "saved" him, but imo, it's better to die a willing Sith, however evil, then be mindfucked by the Jedi into serving their needs for them. They basically did exactly what the Emperor did--used him like a tool for their own purposes. The only reason the Jedi did what they did was because they couldn't afford to lose Revan as an asset. He was considered one of the most, if not the most, powerful force users in the galaxy. It was a cold, calculated decision, and they covered it up with some phony chance at redemption. Give me a break. Argh!
I think this is further shown in swtor, when Revan is finally freed from the Emperor's imprisonment after three hundred years of torture (having also obviously gone insane). They claimed to get involved because Revan was a hero, but it was only to get to the Emperor himself. They didn't give a toss about Revan, as was seen when Revan disappears after losing to the Imperials in the Foundry dungeon (he did not die, that much is obvious). From what I can tell, the Republic never bothered to pursue Revan, bring him back to the light, or take care of him after three hundred years of torture. Three hundred years, subject to the cruelty of the darkest force in the entire galaxy. The first Sith emperor, a being of pure dark energy by that point. One would think if the Republic actually cared about his welfare by more than just a tool, they would have done *something* other than throw him at the nearest problem like a battering ram.
Argh, Revan feels. I hope in swtor, if there's ever an expansion, he at least gets some sort of resolution. The man had quite possibly the shittiest life I've ever seen in a story.
I've not finished the game just yet so excuse me if I get anything wrong. I just played through Revan's revelation last night so this is still fresh in my head.
The Jedi did not wipe Revan's mind, it had already been damaged by Malak's surprise attack. Willingly restoring his mind to that of the Dark Lord's would have been detrimental to the whole "saving the galaxy" Jedi biz, as would killing him as he was their only hope of finding the Star Forge.
Your line of reasoning is faulty because it deals too much in absolutes, which is what the Jedi strive to distance themselves from.
Often context is more important in these cases. Is willingly refraining from restoring a man's memory when one has the capability to do so wrong? Most people would answer yes. Now what if said man was a ruthless, oppressive overlord? What if leaving him in such a state was the only shot at saving a galaxy?
I'm sure if you presented this as a hypothetical to Revan when he was a Jedi he would have agreed with the Council's decision. They did use him for their own ends, but (again context) those ends were entirely selfless. The Jedi seek only to restore and maintain peace in the galaxy. That one goal guided their actions, not some deceptive ploy to gain power for their organization or some such as the Sith would have done. How you see the Council's actions as "cold" and "calculating" I don't know.
Bacon Tree he wasn't a willing Sith, though. He and Malak journeyed to the Unknown Regions after finding out that the (up until then unknown) Sith Empire had pushed the Mandalorians to attack the Republic.
Revan and Malak eventually found the Sith Emperor, who effortlessly defeated them both and reprogrammed their minds to make them become Sith. Eventually they broke free of his control and became Sith for themselves, but Revan was never a "willing" Sith to begin with.
The Jedi didn't erase his memory, he suffered a memory loss from being badly injured and unconscious for so long. They simple prevented him from being totally brain dead by giving him a different personality. The Emperor only could control him and Malak because he was already lost and corrupted by the Dark Side by that point. The second time he came to the Emperor, he would not turn evil. In his time, he was literally among the most powerful in the force, similar to how Anakin was the prequel trilogy. They wanted to recruit him to their cause because he would be a powerful asset to help them win.
@staten0267
yeah I know but it still has a different feeling to it.
Though I'm not saying it will suck.
for real?:) i suspected it throughout after 70% of the game but yeah my reaction ws the same basicly :P