I’m sure you know this but I had an old timer that I apprenticed under show me a really awesome trick when marking/cutting miters. He had cut out templates for ALL his miter cuts so he could just place it in the gutter and trace it, I was blown away when he showed me lol. I’ve been around a lot of different people in the guttering business and watched them mark and cut miters in so many unique ways but I have to say I don’t see the template used very much, it’s actually pretty rare to be honest 😅 I hope you don’t take this comment negatively, I just love to watch and learn how other people in the trade do things. Any time I think I can share an old trade tip, I will lol. Either way this was an absolute work of art, people don’t realize how nerv-racking it can be when doing a copper job, any mistake can be very costly! 😬
Hi.Very nice work. " Complimenti " The first half round machine 333 mm that was made in the US around 1992 by a Company in Flint Michigan.We bought one,don't remember their name.We had 3/5/6/7 gutter machines made by Knudson,The would not even attempt to try make one.Now every body makes one.The only thing we do different here in Italy in regards to installations.When the house is new,we install the gutters prior of placing roof clay tiles by the roofers.When replacing a gutter,the roofer remove the first 2 lines of the clay tiles so we can install the brackets." Copper patina " When a customer decided to by copper,we would show him a piece that had been in the weather for few years.Lot's of times they would change their mind and go for All.Some of them think it remained in the original color.We had installed a big job in 7 inch copper gutter in this nice Villa,about a year later the owner comes back telling us there was something wrong with the gutter.What is the problem? the color of the gutter was getting pretty ugly.We explain to him,it was normal,it first he was a little upset with us,and then all of the sudden he said: Remove all the copper gutter,install brown color all.I do not like copper,i prefer All.cheaper will outlast all the owners by years.Ciao from Italy.
A thick peice of masking tape really works good for marking round stuff like that... just mark you edges on outside/top then lay your tape down and if it's not laying flat or has wrinkles its not square... I do know they make pipe measuring things idk if they work on this type of thing...
Hello. Very nice work. Question: I want to install copper half-round gutters and copper downspout on an older firewood shed. One straight horizontal run of 16 feet. The fascia board is slanted inward toward the structure at approximately 30 degrees from plumb. Is there anything special involved?
Thanks Scott, Using two different types of metal does cause huge corrosion issues, thanks for bringing that up. We recommend using copper coated screws on copper systems
We have butchers like this in east Texas also. Running a screw through the shingle on flimsy straps is a sure sign of lazy butchers. Totally unacceptable. This will rot out a roof quickly as the water finds its way down the screw and into the wood.
I thought the same thing. Not a 100 year install. When i did mine, I had the brackets installed by the roofer under the shingles on 2' center and just added the adjoining bracket to the gutter. I worked with flux and bar lead as well, just another way of doing it. I would not recommend using any screws anywhere.
question, just to verify, i can use a three inch downspout on a 6 inch half round?? they recommend a four inch downspout, but i dont need that big of hole, seems like a three inch will suffice and look sleeker.
trying to install 20-30 year old gutters to new house. The guttering has some rust. How do you remove the rust. The guttering is dark in color and green patina. which we like. Any suggestions on dealing with installation of old guttering . Thanks
If they are copper we would use Brasso to clean them up as much as we can. If they are steel or aluminum we would not recommend reinstalling rusty gutters
According to The Internets, Copper doesn't rust. "Copper will never rust for the same reason as bronze - it contains too little iron. Though it will not rust, copper can form a green film, or patina, on its surface over time. However, this patina will not flake the way rust does. Instead, it creates an even, thick coating on top of the copper itself"
Thanks Edwin! Putting two different metals together also causes corrosion issues. We would discourage it. For a deeper dive into the effects of Dissimilar Metals check this out- galvanizeit.org/design-and-fabrication/design-considerations/dissimilar-metals-in-contact
Have you ever ordered any of the euro gutters/downspouts from guttersupply? Shipping is pretty outrageous but the product is nice. You are the first video I've found that uses propane to solder joints, seems like it turned out well.
Hey Rich, We use Gutter Supply for a lot of our specialty materials, but not specifically Euro gutters - They look cool. YES their shipping is HIGH, but it is bomb proof and we have never received damaged product from them. We use MAP gas for our copper solder. thanks for your comments - good luck with those Euro gutters - post some pictures sometime!!
Big question, I have a copper half round 6” job coming up. I’ve installed more than my share of aluminum half round but never copper. My question is I live in NE Ohio and right now temps are in mid 30’s to upper 40’s. Is there a air temperature where soldering the joints, outlets, endcaps will not work?
Hi Kirk, I am in NE Ohio 50 years of roofing and soldering copper gutters. You can solder in very cold Temps, but you will need to provide a heat source to warm the copper. I would solder with the help of my brother who would warm copper with open flame as I soldered with an iron. In the 70s and 80s we used charcoal fire pots. Then the propane heater pots came out and we got rid of the charcoal. To this day we use propane and butane soldering irons. Nothing better.
You mention your soldier but I tried finding it and can’t locate it to purchase. Need the right solder, anyone know what he is speaking of ? I found the type but there is a big selection of them and they seem to differ a little.
@@johnpeters9903 I went with drinking water safe solder, a little more pricey, but just as easy to work with, and no lead in my garden under the gutters. Trying to prevent dirt near house from lead contamination so my little ones aren't exposed.
I’m sure you know this but I had an old timer that I apprenticed under show me a really awesome trick when marking/cutting miters. He had cut out templates for ALL his miter cuts so he could just place it in the gutter and trace it, I was blown away when he showed me lol. I’ve been around a lot of different people in the guttering business and watched them mark and cut miters in so many unique ways but I have to say I don’t see the template used very much, it’s actually pretty rare to be honest 😅
I hope you don’t take this comment negatively, I just love to watch and learn how other people in the trade do things. Any time I think I can share an old trade tip, I will lol. Either way this was an absolute work of art, people don’t realize how nerv-racking it can be when doing a copper job, any mistake can be very costly! 😬
Nice video! Thanks! To me, shiny new copper rain gutters looks nice, but copper rain gutters with the green patina looks even better to me.
Please continue to upload these videos I’m starting a gutter business and these videos are full of good info
Happy to hear it! We defiantly will have more videos coming soon!
@Brandon Martinez I did. Great business
Great video! I liked the bit about the galvanic corrosion caused by dissimilar metals.
Glad to hear you like it!
Gret video. Clear and with lots of useful tips. The comment about cleaning off with brasso after soldering was useful too.
Great video! Thank you!
Hi.Very nice work. " Complimenti " The first half round machine 333 mm that was made in the US around 1992 by a Company in Flint Michigan.We bought one,don't remember their name.We had 3/5/6/7 gutter machines made by Knudson,The would not even attempt to try make one.Now every body makes one.The only thing we do different here in Italy in regards to installations.When the house is new,we install the gutters prior of placing roof clay tiles by the roofers.When replacing a gutter,the roofer remove the first 2 lines of the clay tiles so we can install the brackets." Copper patina " When a customer decided to by copper,we would show him a piece that had been in the weather for few years.Lot's of times they would change their mind and go for All.Some of them think it remained in the original color.We had installed a big job in 7 inch copper gutter in this nice Villa,about a year later the owner comes back telling us there was something wrong with the gutter.What is the problem? the color of the gutter was getting pretty ugly.We explain to him,it was normal,it first he was a little upset with us,and then all of the sudden he said: Remove all the copper gutter,install brown color all.I do not like copper,i prefer All.cheaper will outlast all the owners by years.Ciao from Italy.
A thick peice of masking tape really works good for marking round stuff like that... just mark you edges on outside/top then lay your tape down and if it's not laying flat or has wrinkles its not square... I do know they make pipe measuring things idk if they work on this type of thing...
Hello. Very nice work.
Question: I want to install copper half-round gutters and copper downspout on an older firewood shed. One straight horizontal run of 16 feet.
The fascia board is slanted inward toward the structure at approximately 30 degrees from plumb.
Is there anything special involved?
Permalac will keep them shiny for 5-10 years 👍🏽👍🏽👍🏽
What metal was the screw used to hang the gutter?
Well done video! One question, do you not have the corrosion concern with the zip screws on the corners?
Thanks Scott, Using two different types of metal does cause huge corrosion issues, thanks for bringing that up. We recommend using copper coated screws on copper systems
We have butchers like this in east Texas also. Running a screw through the shingle on flimsy straps is a sure sign of lazy butchers. Totally unacceptable. This will rot out a roof quickly as the water finds its way down the screw and into the wood.
I thought the same thing. Not a 100 year install. When i did mine, I had the brackets installed by the roofer under the shingles on 2' center and just added the adjoining bracket to the gutter. I worked with flux and bar lead as well, just another way of doing it. I would not recommend using any screws anywhere.
did he just run the screw through the shingles? that copper looks good tho
We use sealing roofing screws and try to avoid roof straps whenever possible.
Someone would steal it from your house in the UK and if you tried to stop them they would prob stab you and the police would never turn up
question, just to verify, i can use a three inch downspout on a 6 inch half round?? they recommend a four inch downspout, but i dont need that big of hole, seems like a three inch will suffice and look sleeker.
trying to install 20-30 year old gutters to new house. The guttering has some rust. How do you remove the rust. The guttering is dark in color and green patina. which we like. Any suggestions on dealing with installation of old guttering . Thanks
If they are copper we would use Brasso to clean them up as much as we can. If they are steel or aluminum we would not recommend reinstalling rusty gutters
According to The Internets, Copper doesn't rust. "Copper will never rust for the same reason as bronze - it contains too little iron. Though it will not rust, copper can form a green film, or patina, on its surface over time. However, this patina will not flake the way rust does. Instead, it creates an even, thick coating on top of the copper itself"
Awesome video! Can copper kstyle gutters be installed on aluminum fascia ?
Thanks Edwin! Putting two different metals together also causes corrosion issues. We would discourage it. For a deeper dive into the effects of Dissimilar Metals check this out- galvanizeit.org/design-and-fabrication/design-considerations/dissimilar-metals-in-contact
Have you ever ordered any of the euro gutters/downspouts from guttersupply? Shipping is pretty outrageous but the product is nice. You are the first video I've found that uses propane to solder joints, seems like it turned out well.
Hey Rich, We use Gutter Supply for a lot of our specialty materials, but not specifically Euro gutters - They look cool. YES their shipping is HIGH, but it is bomb proof and we have never received damaged product from them. We use MAP gas for our copper solder. thanks for your comments - good luck with those Euro gutters - post some pictures sometime!!
Big question, I have a copper half round 6” job coming up. I’ve installed more than my share of aluminum half round but never copper. My question is I live in NE Ohio and right now temps are in mid 30’s to upper 40’s. Is there a air temperature where soldering the joints, outlets, endcaps will not work?
Hi Kirk, I am in NE Ohio 50 years of roofing and soldering copper gutters. You can solder in very cold Temps, but you will need to provide a heat source to warm the copper. I would solder with the help of my brother who would warm copper with open flame as I soldered with an iron. In the 70s and 80s we used charcoal fire pots. Then the propane heater pots came out and we got rid of the charcoal. To this day we use propane and butane soldering irons. Nothing better.
@@larrycrookshanks1646 thank you sir
A normal patina green will start in 15- 18 years. If there is stone or brick masonry washing rain water nearby it will start sooner.
The time to patina heavily depends on your climate
You just drilled a screw into those expensive shingles 😑😑😑😑
The patina green is lovely.
@@jochimbenschneider1915 I think so too.
You mention your soldier but I tried finding it and can’t locate it to purchase.
Need the right solder, anyone know what he is speaking of ?
I found the type but there is a big selection of them and they seem to differ a little.
We get our solder from gutter supply, give them a call and they should be able to hook you up!
@@StartARainGutterBusiness seems they only sell 50/50 leaded solder.
Use bar lead and plumbing flux, much easier to work with as it has a wider working temperature@@JapaneseJoinery
@@johnpeters9903 I went with drinking water safe solder, a little more pricey, but just as easy to work with, and no lead in my garden under the gutters. Trying to prevent dirt near house from lead contamination so my little ones aren't exposed.
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