A Gravel Vlog - Am I converted? Bike update.
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- Опубліковано 31 гру 2023
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Episode one of the cool wall - this is what I was on about. Being underbiked on gravel is where it's at.
when it said "Am I converted" I thought you meant you were having the op.
Already booked. Turkey 2024
@@PeakTorque make sure you take plenty of lube.
Whackaprickoffame procedures are cheeeaap in Turkey 😂
Who needs an op when you can simply identify now.
In theory, I also prefer the hardtail. In practice, I absolutely hate to hit the trails when half a meter of snow melts. I still have fire roads (even poorly paved ones) available which are a chore on a hardtail.
Also, whenever the ride is not pure trails but a mix of paved / gravel / trails, the hardtail falls short. It's just cumbersome.
I live in a small village in the middle of the forest on a hilltop, and the closest city is 10 kms away. My office is 35k.Roads are horrendous, especially during winter, with potholes in which you can bury a car. The gravel bike with 45 mm tires and mudguards, mounting points is a fantastic workhose for commuting, and just getting stuff done in general with a peace of mind - with good speed, comfort and safety.
Yep, that is the perfect niche right there!
I snorted my soda because of the No Country For Old Men bit, cheers!
For your uncovered bosses look up "No-Profile Recessed Bottle Cage Boss Blanking & Sealing Screws" they available in black and silver, come with anti-seize pre-applied and weigh less than 6 grams for a set of 8. It won't help the surface rust (maybe masking them and giving them a shot of clear-coat might work), but they are flush with the boss for a very satisfying finished look.
Do you have a link ?
I fitted pedal spacers to eliminate toe overlap. Love Race King tyres ,
Pricey like you say so just fit to the rear wheel
I’ve ridden enduro for years but since moving to Bournemouth, not many hills here so the gravel bike replaced my enduro bike. I have a racey geometry as not bothered by needed help off road as I like it being a bit twitchy. Gravel bikes are so much fun as you can make the simplest of single track feel lively. All about having the right tyre clearance for what terrain you like riding.
Big plus was as I jump on the roads, a hard tail feels slow as hell to ride home, but on gravel you can sit around 18th no problem and feels like I’m on my road bike, with just a bit more effort.
That rear rotor caught my eye! Hope it comes to fruition
A Whale Tail themed mudgaurd would be awesome in Rothmans colours. Nice bike enjoyed the vlog.
🤩I dig the colors!
You're definitely right that the gravel format shines compared to a hardtail when there's lots of smooth stuff to cover.
I know gravel tyres were one of your "outs" for 2024 but they do offer some great tread patterns that find a compromise between these two road surfaces in a way that few mtb tyres do. EG Tufo thundero, G-One Overland, Pirelli Gravel M etc.
While the rolling resistance savings may be minimal/nonexistent they roll a lot quieter/smoother, grip a lot better and last longer on actual roads. For those that ride to their trails or have commuter duty for their gravel bikes these tyres have big advantages over XC rubber. While there's touring tyres that have similar capabilities they're often overbuilt for the task of a spritely gravel ride.
Gravel bikes are often tasked with a wide range of surfaces, conditions and riding styles in a single ride. This creates a tricky and rather personal optimisation problem for gravel gear with a lot of compromises made to get that versatility when needed.
Yep indeed it is very personal. Dylan and I are going to be going over this in depth in the next pod or so!
Get some brass grub screws for the bottle bosses and threadlock them in. The Allen key hex makes them almost, but not completely hollow.
Never expected PQ to quote one of Cormac's finest..........love it!
I bought a bunch of nylon screws(bolts) from aliX for a couple of dollars and use them to fill unused bottle bosses on my frames. Screw in with a tiny bit of grease so they seal well, don't fall out, don't weigh anything, and look good.
I am running the 47 rhombus tires. Work well off and on road over here in BC. They can handle gravel and loose rocky MTB trails. Specialized have been selling them cheap as in their sales👍
Yeh my g21 is 56cm and toe-overlap is annoying on slow technical surfaces. Otherwise good.
Use gutter silicone and soft plugs to fill unused mounting holes and di2 wire holes.
Hey PT with the aggresive geometry would you consider this a good platform for pure road use?
Say having a set of 650bs for gravel and a set of road wheels.
Not so different than there in the UK, but living here in Belgium for over 4yrs now.
When I ride in the south in the Ardennes, I prefer my hardtail despite my gravel bike (Rodeo Labs Flaanimal5) handling 29x2.1
It's just when you get up over 60km on the chunkier terrain, it starts to take a toll, and my Ibis T29 (~20lb weight) allows me to just smash everything.
But for getting around, commuting, and just a really easy and enjoyable bike to cover ground regardless of the road/trail surface, my gravel bike is my go-to.
For my road bike, running tubeless too, but I find the Conti 5000S TR 30c work marvelously even off road or these Belgian cobbles.
For everyone's convenience, can you share a link for the rubber grommets you'd end up purchasing to plug those holes in the frame? My bike uses M5 screws supposedly?
UK viewer here and gravel convert. Thanks to a gravel bike with an abilty to take a wide variety of tyres and a do it all trail bike in the form of a SC Hightower I've really removed the need to have lots of bikes for different occasions. Two bikes that cover everything. I sold my other bikes and haven't really felt the need to buy anything else bar a dedicated DH bike.
On the side note, did you try manufacturing (don't think existing MTB ones would fit though) angle headset? Since the original is integrated, might be an interesting challenge
What other gravel frames would you consider next to this one? Giant revolt? Time adhx?
Hey PT - I know you saw the J Mower Cycling video about his 9Velo wheels having the rear hub fail - apparently J Mower conveniently forgot to mention that he crashed prior to the first hub failure, then after that first hub failure, it makes sense that it failed again since all they did was change the freehub. Seems like a rather important detail to omit when discussing reasons why the wheel failed...
Can you run an xt or slx rear derailleur with with a clutch? I'm assuming they will work with road shifters?
Can a road bike frame and fork take the beatings from off-road riding just by slapping on gravel tires?
Challenge Strada Bianca 40 mm. Fucking amazing tire for class 1 gravel. Super fast and grippy enough for almost any circumstances, even dirt roads in the rain.
In UK winters we need every bit of help we can get regards options to cycle outdoors. Road bike cycling on a road bike in our winters can be...challenging.
The last number of years I actually do way more road riding during winter, and then from March to November I’m pretty much all gravel & mtb. The bridleways get very muddy and sloppy in winters where I am (South). Having to do a major bike and kit clean after each ride gets old very quickly. A Winter road bike with 32mm or 35mm tyres, relaxed geometry and full mudguards makes winter road riding quite pleasant.
What CAD program do you use? Thanks!
smaller tyres to reduce toe overlap?
Prototipo works make some bespoke vanity CNC cage bolts.
Just use plastic bolts for the 'holes', weigh bu99er all - I did his with my Freeranger.
Have printed some rubber bungs now 😜
I used nylon grub screws, had to melt the fuckers out
What's up with that rear disc brake
How does the mechanical groupset feel with internal cable routing?
Not speaking for PT obviously, but in my own experience internal routing for the rear mech works ok. For the front mech it often sucks because you need a lot more force to shift the front (same problem for rim brakes). Maybe the Classified hub isn’t such a dumb idea…. On the other hand, for the same price (especially if you ever replace a cassette) you could get wireless electronic shifting and never route a cable again.
Curious about the GRX 810 levers the so called "contact point" or "stroke" adjustment is it just moving the slave pistons in and out? Can't find documentation about it
No idea man, im on ultegra here.
@@PeakTorque ups but Ultegra also have the "free stroke adjustment" no?
Favero Assioma Pro MX Pedals?
where to cop that winspace handlebar bag?
Grizedale. Nice 👍🏻
Is Whinlatter gravel too?
What about 160mm cranks to solve your toe overlap? R7100 are available down to 160mm now.
Its not just toe overlap thats the issue its the super short front center mean the wheel will take any opportunity to tuck underneath me and flip me over on any slight pebble! Haha
@PeakTorque Fair enough. What do you think of the Cannondale Slate with Olly front (30mm travel) and 650b wheels? I always felt it was a very forgotten bike well ahead of the current gravel trend.
Dude. Your American accents are weirdly good.
Are you in Grizedale?
The YeoLeo isn’t not the most versatile of Gravel bikes - but that was clear from the start - right.
That internal cable routing - especially the 1.5-1.5 headset - make it rather hard to mount a suspension stem to take out the sting in the rough stuff - let alone a suspension fork to add control when going Rock‘n‘Roll.
Also no DropperPost possible - because of that non round seatpost -well all those proprietary stuff does not prolong a bikes service life…
There are quite some good rolling tires out there that feature knobs - Rene Herse and Ultra Dynamico to name two.
That derailleur/chain setup is rather not adding up towards the derailleur life span and shifting up while going down the hill is a bit odd - there are derailleurs that use a clutch …
BUT never mind a bit of Underbiking… 😉
Nylon bolts are the answer to the numerous (unused) holes
I was wondering about those Cross Kings. Since I'm a weakling I like my chiner Epic knockoff with Mezcals for the gravel. fs so smooth, my butt like.
HED has some nice 180mm deep section gravel rear wheels. Just sayin
Cool Rothmans livery.
Just use low profile disc brake rotor bolts on those holes. 😊
I like the short wheelbase.Agile and more responsive 🤙
Seems a bit like a cyclocross bike
@@TheSpaceBrosShow No,seems more like an aero race bike,xc bikes have more distance between the back wheel and the seat tube,and he went even further by downsizing to a 56 cm frame.
If you are a licensed bike racer with > 12000 km/year you prepare your position on the bike almost down to mm-you don‘t steer that much,it’s more about weight distribution to go around corners
@@domestique3954”licensed bike racer” ffs 😅
@@paddyotoole2058 See you in the douche hobby rider
Can I ask what sealant do you use . I know you've said before but can't remember sorry.
OKO Off Road Sealant, and then he dilutes it with either water or glycol/antifreeze, as it is quite thick out of the bottle.
If you ran shorter cranks, would that make enough difference to eliminate toe overlap?
Even 10mm would not be enough
You said you dont use tubeless on road, which tube are you using there if I may ask? :)
I can recommend Ride now tpu innertubes Form Ali
@@groermeister6491 These are already ordered but im a bit sceptical. Seen a lot of bad reviews for them already. But 50g for a tube is tempting
@@I3ene1 ride now or I guess any other tpu tube does not worth the fass in my opinion. Only positive is the low weight but vredestein latex only weighs 50g and latex gives much better ride quality plus its faster. Did an uphill race with tpu and switched back to latex right away. They are slow.
Have you thoughtabout putting drop bars on a hardtail?
Dylan, is that you?
What kind of handlebar is this? And how is it comfortable on gravel?
Yoeleo included with the frame. It is a stiff setup but with a 50mm tyres, pales into insignificance really.
@@PeakTorque How much lower tyre pressure in PSI would you say you need to run in the front tyre in order to get back that front comfort in hands, when having stiff carbon integrated handlebar, versus normal alloy handlebar+stem? +10 PSI lower pressure or are we saying only about -5 PSI.
I mostly ride on road and steep short hills, so would need that stiff and light feeling when standing pedaling, but do not want to loose comfort if doing gravel. What would you suggest?
Looking at the terrain, can't help but wonder why slapping some drop bars on a hard-tail MTB wouldn't make more sense? Might be a bit slower on the nice pavement but faster/safer on the gnarly bits.
"Gravel" seems to be Jekyll & Hyde these days = either stuff one used to need MTBs to enjoy or perfectly smooth roads that just don't happen to be paved that could easily be done on a road bike. Does it have to be either-or?
The word of 2024 - Quicklier.
what rotor is on the back?🤔
Prototype gen 2 😜
8:49 Peak Torque Big Black Cočk 180?
Good to see the rally slag getting filthy.
Like you say the further North in the UK the larger the "grvl". Think it was you or that 5yr old predict the marketing of tyre clearance. "NOW WITH ADDED TYRE CLEARANCE".
There are some woeful excuses of gravel bikes (road or urban bikes with up to 38mm clearance). I audaxed Scotland coast to coast a few months ago along part of the HT550 on a 650b gravel setup with up to 2.25" xc tyres. I have to admit this would not have been possible on my hardtail with the time allocation . The road stretches, i just whacked in psi and got in the drops and aero bars.
Still doesn't stop me getting shat on by my old MTB mates as to the grvl bike's purpose/role.
Did you just recycle leftover road components? I guess, lots of the drivetrain issues could have been sorted with a regular 1x chainring and a clutched derailleur, too. Shifting into the lowest gear for protective chain tensions seems to be a bit counter-intiutive, at least...
Ultegra RX clutch derailleur is the go mate.
Honestly not needed. I have been riding this setup for months now (this video was made a while ago). Not a single chain drop on the 105 mech and the 39T non narrow wide setup! Even on some red enduro trails :)
@@PeakTorque Yeah thinking of the chain slap but if your not riding rough roads it doesn't matter.
I have used a 105 mechanical derailleur since 2019 on my GT Grade gravel bike and I can’t ever remember getting chain slap when on the rough stuff. I think a lot depends on the frame design.
dont cry when those cranks snap lmao
Nylon bolts for all the bosses
yeah aluminum or nylon if you care about the
If you don't have a hard tail / haven't done any mountain biking, a gravel bike is a blast. If you do have a hard tail, they're still fun but a lot of the time but when you hit single track that comparison thief of joy has a chance to show up. I'm still trying to work out a terrain percentage in which to take the hard tail over the gravel bike for races.
What sealant do you use with the contis? I'm running race kings and they last about 6 months until Stan's starts to leak out of the micro cuts in the tire and the tire is covered in wet spots. I've had this issue with every black chili conti tire I've ran tubeless (cross / race king, terra speed). I like them but they've just been extremely short life tires.
I've had that issue too, and I'm running Panaracer Gravel Kings. I think that's just how it is. I also keep some Rimpact foam cores in there. Full CX tyres manage a little better, I've found, but the tread is too aggressive in the summer.
he did a sealant video a few weeks ago, some tractor tire sealant you can go search.
The UK has proper gravel roads, they're in Scotland.
Was in the tweed valley last week and between the quiet roads and the golfie.... i think a move may be on the cards
@@PeakTorqueand you never hit me up for a pint…😢
@@PeakTorque I can recommend living here 🙂, have you ridden at Thornielee yet?
The irony of exercising on a bike carrying Rothmans livery... For me, just riding on those "roads" would have me gasping.
hi peaky, from the USA. we can send you gravel if you send us tea. slamming it is not always the answer. do it in stages next time mate!!! you get it right that way....
Gravel bikes will never replace the trusty hardtails. Tell ya what some even look like hardtails with drop bars… so why not buy a bloody xc hardtail and be done with it.
Happy new year anyways pt
Because they're better on road than XC hardtails. They're better on fire roads than XC hard tails. They're probably more comfortable with drop handlebars, especially for long rides. JFC, this mtb thing that people aren't allowed to use gravel bikes, even though they're clearly better for a lot of applications.
@@richardhaselwood9478 prove it… all I’m saying is gravel bikes are starting to look like xc hardtails 😜
@@MichaelWareFitnes Mountain bikes are better for mountain biking. Gravel trails are a waste of a MTB, especially if there's a lot of pavement connectors.
@@MichaelWareFitnes Indeed, look at Dylan Johnson's rig he rode for the Lifetime Grand Prix in 2023. But, it gets tiresome hearing this when there are signficant differences, because there are signficant differences in the way they're ridden.
Quite wrong. Gravel bikes are not meant to replace HT's....they're for mixed surface riding.
Of course a HT will be better off road but they're absolute rubbish for paved surfaces.
It's all about compromise.
Impressive American accent, Mr. Torque.
you betcha
58cm gravel bike with shoe overlap? That sounds like road bike with clearance, I have plenty of space on my Addict Gravel and it's on a racier side.
Given the aggressive geometry, how is this different from a xc bike?
I'm happy with my own gravel bike, but the geometry is much slacker than my road bike, and it's already plenty scary on gnarly stuff for me.
Dedicated XC frame sets come with only one location for fitting a bottle holder, no additional mounting points on the fork legs or the top tube and max. tyre size you can fit is 35, but ideally 33. But yes, the horizontal top tube makes this a perfect XC bike too.
maybe the toe-ectomy helps
PT
Well done. Happy New Year from America.
PS. when you become old one day and you will, you will be grabbing for the flatbar mtb...yes it will be a high end, light model, and more stack.
You can get away with underbiking now in your prime. The under/over bike ratio shifts with age. 🙂
How old? I"m 61 and still prefer the gravel bike over the flatbar MTB.
The back roads in Staffs and Worcestershire are so bad I get KOMs on them on my gravel bike.
I call our poorly maintained country lanes 'American gravel' 😅
was that a recording or an imitation? If the latter then there are hidden depths to he that is known as "Peak". "Oh, so you're a thespian too?!"
How tall are you? 190cm? Does't a 58 looks like a toy bike on you?
Also, are stainless steel bosses even a thing?
Hate to say it, but you should try a mtb 165 crank or gravel (🤢) 165 crank - with 2mm pedal washers each side. It'll be wider q factor than those ultegra cranks - might solve the toe overlap. Had the same issue on a small caad frame and it's slightly better.
I'd class this bike as a fancy touring bike, hardtail all the way.
Dam i dont understand gravel, everytime i watch gravel stuff im like, get an xc bikes.
Its a hard call. For a lot of the stuff in the UK, an XC bike makes much more sense as its also way more versatile if you do anything a bit more serious. The only real value I see for a gravel bike in the UK is for when you want a do it all bike and your version of do it all is road cycling and some light off road.
Proper MTB is great fun but doing it on a gravel bike is either awful or you are on very tame routes.
With those Cross Kings you ride anyways there's really no reason not to go for a Dropbar MTB and gain best of both worlds: Dropbar handposition versatility and all day aerodynamics and good potential for gnarly surface. And if you don't mix up your purchase list and indeed get the Race Kings you also have better rolling resistance than pretty much any gravel bike out there.
Why not just tape these bosses
Hey PT the guy that message you and hambini at euro bike, dave arther, murray mint.... Can you give my video about Gcn tech shill of £15k road bike is worth as much engineering as a £15k motorbike. I am balls deep into carrying on the smash & grab format to disrupt the shill fest that is the cycling industry, until I get banned😮😂😂 A view would help.👋👍👍👍
Why waste a good MTB ride on tame trails.
Gravel= nonsense!
Westerners... You guys will be convinced,and will buy,any hype, any good looking nonsense! You can ride almost everything,on a simple HARDTAIL😅
Greetings from Croatia 😎