#shorts #starwars #darthvader How Darth Vader FOUND Snoke on Exegol Star Wars Source: Darth Vader (2020) Comic Series Issues 6-11 Music by: @EpicTrailerMusicUK
TBF Vader didn't know Palpatine was going to do that. Also, he was being electrocuted, trying to save his son and both his lightsaber and Luke's had been thrown away so it's not like he had lots of options or time to think
@AlbertoGarcia-wd7sc the point he was making was that it's incredibly stupid in retrospect. It makes Anakin look like an idiot for not telling Luke about it. Anakin was a force ghost. He couldn't tell Luke about it? Thanks Disney and jj Abrams.
Yea they broke the whole plot with the sequels and now they broke it even more because now its like why didnt vader as his last words say “son there are a bunch of star destroyers and an experiment the emperor was trying to do involving a living being on a planet named exegol you can find this planet by searching for a sith wayfinder”
And then Luke morbed all over the Sith Eternal and Palpatine's undercooked corpse - finally bringing the balance to the Force for real this time. (Ignore the incoming Yuuzhan Vong invasion please)
I don't even count snoke as a villain... you first have to be threatening before you can call yourself the bad guy 😂 not to mention he got clapped by the most confused emo boy star wars ever shat into civilisation
Vader - Oh no, palatine tore off my limbs and left me for dead on a burning planet, he also has a puppet he could use to manipulate the galaxy without me... well the jedi didn't grant me the rank of master so I might as well return and do his bidding
He wasn't strong enough yet, he lost everything he had built throughout the last 12 years or so as a jedi, in ROTJ he was at his peak and would beat palpatine in a one on one fight, and he did kill him pretty easily too
@@alyax- Didn't he get one shot by Palpatine's lightning? After he threw him down, he immediately fell as if he was weakened He also caught Palpatine by surprise (he was also conflicted with the dark side because of Luke) I don't think Vader would beat Palpatine in ROTJ
@@imKahl the second time Palpatine sent Vader to mustafar he made his suit vulnerable to force lightning because Palpatine knew Vader was gonna betray him............ ......... at least that's what I've heard
@@imKahl except vader can endure it if he had hope which is how he was able to endure the Lightning, he never attempted to kill palpatine because he wouldn't have anything left anymore, so when he had luke he had the will to kill palpatine so he managed to endure it until palpatine was dead, though after it did kill him because the effects still take place even if you endure it for the time being
And yet Vader still offers no insight to who SNOKE is or where he came from??? They can retcon this story for the next 20yrs and still fail to make it cohesive!!!
Thank you for saying that. The whole notion of Snoke was 💩on and destroyed in the movies. His existence was pointless and worse completely ineffective.
@@saltcorno he didn't plan anything. It's pretty obvious he didn't. He even admitted it would've been advantageous to have had a plan when making these films when responding to that criticism lol
@@AvatarJian They had a plan for Snoke; toys and his guards nothing else. 😂. Guess they didn't sell well so they gave Abrams successor the green light to 💩on the notion of the character. 😂
@@saltcorHe had no plan. The Last Jedi prevented Snoke from being a Palpatine clone, it would’ve been better to flesh out his character into something that wasn’t Palpatine though. JJ just gave us a clone of Palpatine.
Wait, if they add to the canon that Vader knew about Palpetine's plans to come back, I'm fucking rage quitting star wars! That would make NO sense AT ALL!
It already doesn't make sense that Palpatine came back because of anakins prophecy about him bringing balance to the force which he did when he threw Palpatine down the shaft but by bringing Palpatine back disney made the prophecy and all 6 of the first movies irrelevant disjointed and destroyed a cohesive story
that would've stopped the rise of skywalker but unfortunately the first order still could've risen, with or without snoke (in other words the only way to stop it is if george lucas didn't let disney buy lucasfilm(
So, Vader never forgave Obi Van for being wrong about trust to council, but left loyal to Palpatine while repeatedly being roasted for 20 years? *Cool*
@@dawidschaffrath8426his emotional issues are the Star Wars cop out for everything nonsensical. Padme died cause of the big sad. Vader knew he was manipulated and messed up but due to self loathing he decided to not only not stop the emperor, but to continue to aid him in the very thing he regretted and hated himself for.
@@morphkaianHe hated Anakin Skywalker. He wanted nothing more than to NOT be Anakin Skywalker. Emotional issues are an explanation for a lot on nonsensical issues in real life.
@@Scrotomusboingloing17 Not when it ruins the consistency of the source material. Disney is an abomination that should have never been allowed to further destroy this franchise.
No wonder why he is evil… In galactic court [if he lived] (even if Vader is second in command) we can show how mentally, emotionally, his painful suit, his burns, his replaced organs… I’m wonder how can you judge Vader fairly in court if you know all aspects of his life… even if most people in galaxy hate him (as Vader).
That's one way of seeing it. That particular series of comics was meant to explain part of the Sequel events. Kinda like Bad Batch seems to be hinting at Palpatine attempting to clone himself
Darth Vader lost everything. But he refused to lose his son. That’s why I respect him. I always wondered, before Vader died after saving Luke, did he ever find it in himself to forgive Obi-Wan?
Disney had all the right stuff to make awesome sequels and somehow still fugged it up horribly. Snoke couldve been the main bad guy and left Palpatine out, rey and kylo could have been awesome characters without being overly powerful, and the new empire thing could have just been the remnant. Like i said, they had all the right stuff, and just did it a great injustice.
This can't be canon, if he knew this, he could have told Luke, "Hey, son, before I bite the dust, the Emperor isn't dead, he also has a massive fleet on Exegol and is probably going to come back, so you might want to do something about this before Disney creates a female character everyone hates to stop this."
It is canon 😐 it’s the current Darth Vader run, and it mostly sucks, unfortunately FORTUNATELY, the main Star Wars run (ALSO set to start at the end of ESB) is mostly good. Definitely some speedbumps but there’s some cool stuff. The first 6 (then 2) issues are called “The Destiny Path” and “The Will of Tarkin” respectively
"vader then knew how powerful his master really was" meanwhile: Vader easily picks up palpatine with one hand chopped off and throws him over a railing 😂
Ironically, cannon anakin was so powerful that palpatine feared him, using manipulation to control him and even designed the suit to limit his abilities
Nope not buying it. No matter how hard kk tries I will never call the sequel trilogy canon. Too many plot holes and inconsistencies. It’s just the worst what if series ever made.
I know that this is only 60 seconds so it’s impossible to get all the details… but huh? How did his star fighter lead to exegol and found snoke? Where did that plot thread go? It wouldn’t make sense that Vadar knew anything about snoke or found palpatine’s most successful clone facility, as it is more than difficult to have a clone wield force powers. Also, does this take place before or after darth Vadar has his castle on mustafar, because if it’s after the construction, this definitely doesn’t make sense.
maybe the whole point of these comics are to force the next person to dismiss them as legend rather then direct lore, so as to excuse their own doing the same thing to the Expanded universe books and comic and games
@@BubbleGumGuy-gx1xj fair enough, but it also begs the question, if the wayfinder was on Mustafar near HIS CASTLE, why did he have to “find that out” lol
Darth Vader would have died without his replace limbs which means he doesn’t really know how to die, also he wouldn’t he return to the light side after that “betrayed and anger feeling” long ago when he was turned in to a sith.
Vader: " GOD DAMMIT HE ESCAPED AGAIN ! OK VADER its fine everything is going to be fine palpatine will churely understand this yea yea he will forgive you"
But returned his limbs from the droid ones at what point? Don't remember old droid arms throwing him over the edge. Connection so strong with the force could choke multiple officers over facetime, yet couldn't sense he had 2 kids.
Sweet geezus and people given the old EU a hard time for having an explanation for everything Disney, you can't undo your poor ass planning of the sequel trilogy, stop trying to justify it
"I guess I can just chuck Palpatine off the railings. That'll stop Palpatine coming in full force with Exegol."
TBF Vader didn't know Palpatine was going to do that. Also, he was being electrocuted, trying to save his son and both his lightsaber and Luke's had been thrown away so it's not like he had lots of options or time to think
@AlbertoGarcia-wd7sc TBF you completely misunderstood their comment
@AlbertoGarcia-wd7sc the point he was making was that it's incredibly stupid in retrospect. It makes Anakin look like an idiot for not telling Luke about it. Anakin was a force ghost. He couldn't tell Luke about it? Thanks Disney and jj Abrams.
And yet somehow Palpatine Returned...😮😂
@@AlbertoGarcia-wd7sc True, but what about the hidden fleet and contingencies
Disney trying to fix Sequels:
😂😂😂 yeah - Kathleen can go back to bed 🛌- no one wants her nightmare.
@@JENNerationX why do you people act like she is personally involved in literally everything
@@oatmiser3110 she's the head...it all goes thru her
Yea they broke the whole plot with the sequels and now they broke it even more because now its like why didnt vader as his last words say “son there are a bunch of star destroyers and an experiment the emperor was trying to do involving a living being on a planet named exegol you can find this planet by searching for a sith wayfinder”
And it still doesn't make any sense. Disney is a bunch of idiots
Vader's starfighter still working after being neglected for almost 20 years makes me think it's more reliable than my car after 4 years
Well, they have futuristic tech lol
@@imKahlblud no it's not 💀
@@DrivingDoggo
Bruh
They literally have space ships & light sabers
Vehicles that hover, like what?😂
@@DrivingDoggo you Lobster-Backs are so dense…
@@imKahl “A long time ago in a galaxy far away” - Episode IV: A New Hope
Bro can’t stop losing his limbs 😂
If I had a nickel for every time Anakin/Vader lost his limbs, it would be at least two.
@@Louie-WanKenobi-og4rk if I had a nickel for every time someone died I would have atleast $4
@@Mr.SunshineJames If I had a nickel every time a SW character was resurrected, I would have 14.
If I had a nickel for everytime these bs comic "cannon" stories appear,I’d be rich
C'mon let up on the Guy
It's literally cost him an arm and a leg to master the dark side
"Tell your sister… you were righ- oh f*ck I almost forgot! The Emperor cloned himself, he has one morbillion Death Stars on Exegol!!! Go there asap!"
morbillion lmao
Yup.
And then Luke morbed all over the Sith Eternal and Palpatine's undercooked corpse - finally bringing the balance to the Force for real this time. (Ignore the incoming Yuuzhan Vong invasion please)
@@sub-zero5433😭😭😭😭😭😭
Disney thought they cooked with this DLC, but it makes Vader look like a complete idiot.
Vader = Reformed Vegetable 2.0
Maybe V8 will sponsor him
@FarbautiXD barf veggie
Bro did Vader dirty💀😂
With all the retcons they’ve added about Vader hating his master, it’s honestly so stupid that he served him past a certain point.
It’s the way of the sith. If Vader didn’t die I honestly don’t think he would have went to the light. Like would have had to end vader
Yes, Snoke is so powerful that Kylo Ren was able to one-shot him.
Snoke is a joke 😂
I don't even count snoke as a villain... you first have to be threatening before you can call yourself the bad guy 😂 not to mention he got clapped by the most confused emo boy star wars ever shat into civilisation
Kylo is also a joke.
They hired Andy Serkis just to kill him off in the second movie of a trilogy. Yet more evidence that they didn’t plan these movies out
every sequels "villian" is a joke.
Darth Vader can't seem to catch a break!
More like that's all he catches! Is broken limbs! Haha
@@kmkcopkiller 😅😅😅 indeed
The Emperor seems to have proved otherwise
Spiderman:welcome to the club, Mr
Vader.
Vader - Oh no, palatine tore off my limbs and left me for dead on a burning planet, he also has a puppet he could use to manipulate the galaxy without me... well the jedi didn't grant me the rank of master so I might as well return and do his bidding
😭
He should have just get rid of palpatine when padme died
He wasn't strong enough yet, he lost everything he had built throughout the last 12 years or so as a jedi, in ROTJ he was at his peak and would beat palpatine in a one on one fight, and he did kill him pretty easily too
@@alyax- Didn't he get one shot by Palpatine's lightning?
After he threw him down, he immediately fell as if he was weakened
He also caught Palpatine by surprise
(he was also conflicted with the dark side because of Luke)
I don't think Vader would beat Palpatine in ROTJ
@@imKahl the second time Palpatine sent Vader to mustafar he made his suit vulnerable to force lightning because Palpatine knew Vader was gonna betray him............
......... at least that's what I've heard
@@myselfgoosgaming1745 Or he made it more vulnerable to lightning so Vader couldn't overthrow him
@@imKahl except vader can endure it if he had hope which is how he was able to endure the Lightning, he never attempted to kill palpatine because he wouldn't have anything left anymore, so when he had luke he had the will to kill palpatine so he managed to endure it until palpatine was dead, though after it did kill him because the effects still take place even if you endure it for the time being
Starfighters really is build differently. Being soaked underwater for years and being exposed to extreme heat for years, and they still works.
And yet Vader still offers no insight to who SNOKE is or where he came from??? They can retcon this story for the next 20yrs and still fail to make it cohesive!!!
Thank you for saying that. The whole notion of Snoke was 💩on and destroyed in the movies. His existence was pointless and worse completely ineffective.
I wonder if JJ Abrams always planned on Snoke just being a Palpatine puppet or if he had a real story for him that the Last Jedi screwed up.
@@saltcorno he didn't plan anything. It's pretty obvious he didn't. He even admitted it would've been advantageous to have had a plan when making these films when responding to that criticism lol
@@AvatarJian They had a plan for Snoke; toys and his guards nothing else. 😂. Guess they didn't sell well so they gave Abrams successor the green light to 💩on the notion of the character. 😂
@@saltcorHe had no plan. The Last Jedi prevented Snoke from being a Palpatine clone, it would’ve been better to flesh out his character into something that wasn’t Palpatine though. JJ just gave us a clone of Palpatine.
Imagine if he had told Luke about Exegol, preventing the sequels from ever happening.
Wait, if they add to the canon that Vader knew about Palpetine's plans to come back, I'm fucking rage quitting star wars! That would make NO sense AT ALL!
It already doesn't make sense that Palpatine came back because of anakins prophecy about him bringing balance to the force which he did when he threw Palpatine down the shaft but by bringing Palpatine back disney made the prophecy and all 6 of the first movies irrelevant disjointed and destroyed a cohesive story
@MEJ777 Palpatine returning as a clone was part of Star Wars Legends though. Disney did not create this idea and only brought it into canon
@@danielwilcox2878 And it was already shit back then.
@@sheogorath6834 I'm not denying that, I'm merely pointing out the fact that Disney did not create that storyline
Just remember that anything Disney isn't canonical. It's as simple as that.
He could have stopped the crappy sequel trilogy if he just destroyed everything in sight!!
that would've stopped the rise of skywalker but unfortunately the first order still could've risen, with or without snoke (in other words the only way to stop it is if george lucas didn't let disney buy lucasfilm(
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"VADER! YOU COULDN'T CAPTURE LUKE AGAIN?!!!"
- Palpatine said calmly.
People know Vader suffered, but many seem to forget just how much he suffered and how he felt that he deserved it for all he's done
So, Vader never forgave Obi Van for being wrong about trust to council, but left loyal to Palpatine while repeatedly being roasted for 20 years? *Cool*
Vader was mentally and emotionally destroyed and had no one to turn to except Palpatine.
@@dawidschaffrath8426his emotional issues are the Star Wars cop out for everything nonsensical.
Padme died cause of the big sad.
Vader knew he was manipulated and messed up but due to self loathing he decided to not only not stop the emperor, but to continue to aid him in the very thing he regretted and hated himself for.
@@morphkaian it's almost like Vader had Stockholm syndrome.
@@morphkaianHe hated Anakin Skywalker. He wanted nothing more than to NOT be Anakin Skywalker. Emotional issues are an explanation for a lot on nonsensical issues in real life.
That’s not it
This is like putting a bandaid on an infected bullet wound and hoping for the best
They're just making sh1t up at this point
That's how you write dude
@@Scrotomusboingloing17 Not when it ruins the consistency of the source material. Disney is an abomination that should have never been allowed to further destroy this franchise.
Incidentally both of you are correct. 🤣
Bro, you’re so right dude!!! Legends was so much better!!! Palpatine never came back as a clone in that!!!
He woke up and realized he was in a nightmare. The sequels never happened
I feel like I’ve seen a dozen videos where Palpatine ends up torturing Vader.
No wonder why he is evil… In galactic court [if he lived] (even if Vader is second in command) we can show how mentally, emotionally, his painful suit, his burns, his replaced organs… I’m wonder how can you judge Vader fairly in court if you know all aspects of his life… even if most people in galaxy hate him (as Vader).
I'm surprised Vader didn't go on a Sith Eternal massacre
good thing literally none of this happened
Bruh Vader really takin limb loss like a boss like damn he can’t catch a break. Almost makes me feel more bad for him than Maul…. ALMOST
Remember, always leave the keys to your starfighter under the seat
So episodes 7 - 9 aren't Disney's fault! It's Vader's! He could've destroyed the fleet and snoke...
Nah, it's still Disneys, if you really think about it.
OH My Gosh,OF COURSE YOURE GONNA BLAME VADER FOR EVERYTHING.BROOOO
@@PkxdAckel I'm not blaming Vader for everything!! Just... What... What's your problem???
That's one way of seeing it. That particular series of comics was meant to explain part of the Sequel events. Kinda like Bad Batch seems to be hinting at Palpatine attempting to clone himself
Of COOOURSE 😂 hohohoHOO 😄
…y-you WERE kidding right :p
Hate that they wrapped Vader up in the sequel trilogy BS somehow… like we needed them to further back up the crap they added in 8 and 9…
It’s crazy when you remember that this was their attempt to STRENGTHEN the story 😂
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No way the Disney garbage is cannon, we gotta stop.
I thinks it’s better if we all just pretend episode 9 never happened
So that is why Vader threw Palpatine down the reactor, and that is why he always have limbs sliced well done.
Darth Vader lost everything. But he refused to lose his son. That’s why I respect him. I always wondered, before Vader died after saving Luke, did he ever find it in himself to forgive Obi-Wan?
Ah yes, the most powerful fleet that gets destroyed in a few minutes
Vader: here we go again
"It was just a prank bro; it wasn't something to betray me over" -PAL patine.
This is nothing more than a fanfic. Disney must not be taken seriously anymore. They ruined everything
They ruining nothing
Disney had all the right stuff to make awesome sequels and somehow still fugged it up horribly. Snoke couldve been the main bad guy and left Palpatine out, rey and kylo could have been awesome characters without being overly powerful, and the new empire thing could have just been the remnant. Like i said, they had all the right stuff, and just did it a great injustice.
Dang, so that’s why Vader really wanted Luke to turn to the dark side. With the two of them together they could have definitely overthrown Palpatine
Still no chance lol
This can't be canon, if he knew this, he could have told Luke, "Hey, son, before I bite the dust, the Emperor isn't dead, he also has a massive fleet on Exegol and is probably going to come back, so you might want to do something about this before Disney creates a female character everyone hates to stop this."
It is canon 😐 it’s the current Darth Vader run, and it mostly sucks, unfortunately
FORTUNATELY, the main Star Wars run (ALSO set to start at the end of ESB) is mostly good. Definitely some speedbumps but there’s some cool stuff.
The first 6 (then 2) issues are called “The Destiny Path” and “The Will of Tarkin” respectively
Vader casually finding out about palpatines army then not telling Luke before he dies makes perfect sense
here we go again the idiotic ways disney is trying to fix the sequels which can't ever be fixed because they are fundamentally bad.
Disney really just sucks at starwars lets be real. This nonsense came out of nowhere.
His master is so powerful that he planned to fail so he could fail even later in a way that doesn’t even make any sense
Seriously sequels are very horrible. I wish he found a taco, because that would have been better.
Never seen that from original trilogy.
Ughhh even the media they try tieing into the sequel trilogy is poorly made. My god they need to STOP and let those 3 movies be de-cannonized
Vader Comics are very good. Cool enough, among all the cloning equipment on Exegol was a tank with a severed hand. There's a good chance it's Luke's.
Dude…I don’t wanna bust your groove 🙌 but this sucks 😂
@@harrambou9468 lol it's ok ✌
I wish they would create new star war films in between episodes 4,5 and 6 be so cool to see this
my absolute FAVORTIE star wars youtuber.❤️ Thank you for making everything way easier to understand!
"vader then knew how powerful his master really was" meanwhile: Vader easily picks up palpatine with one hand chopped off and throws him over a railing 😂
Oh come on even dark souls dont have this kind of retcon in the lore
Vader easily had the chance to upgrade his suit and get his revenge on sidious
If you have to spend almost ten years trying to make your movies make sense... You've made shit films.
Actually in this comic, Palpatine punished Vader because he was researching Padme and her children
Ironically, cannon anakin was so powerful that palpatine feared him, using manipulation to control him and even designed the suit to limit his abilities
Nope not buying it. No matter how hard kk tries I will never call the sequel trilogy canon. Too many plot holes and inconsistencies. It’s just the worst what if series ever made.
Bro saved Palpatine's life and this is how he's repaid
Disney is so stupid. Tell me how Vader knew all of this and didn't warn Luke? Jeesh.
Wow Vader went out on a Limb here 😏
Vader shure came prepared finding droid parts to replace his limbs & fixing the fighter that he once had.
well there goes the lore of snoke being a clone.
Vader playn checkers and Palpatine playn chess
Absolute and utter fanfiction slop
This story would be good if snoke wasn’t in it.
@@BubbleGumGuy-gx1xj oh no, even without Snoke you’ve still got the hidden fleet and Ochi of Bestoon
Cool fact please keep doing more of these
This comic feels like a bunch of nostalgia porn
I know that this is only 60 seconds so it’s impossible to get all the details… but huh? How did his star fighter lead to exegol and found snoke? Where did that plot thread go? It wouldn’t make sense that Vadar knew anything about snoke or found palpatine’s most successful clone facility, as it is more than difficult to have a clone wield force powers. Also, does this take place before or after darth Vadar has his castle on mustafar, because if it’s after the construction, this definitely doesn’t make sense.
It’s so sick how he used his starfighter to get there, always wondered what happened to it
Snoke was a bad dream / let’s leave that there.
Bro is tryna give me ptsd
Even though it's from Exegol.
Vader don't want not of that Snoke
maybe the whole point of these comics are to force the next person to dismiss them as legend rather then direct lore, so as to excuse their own doing the same thing to the Expanded universe books and comic and games
bro had flashbacks 💀
Bro got some nice nostalgia from Palpatine 💀
beautiful explanation. I was wondering if in the future you would explain the new current Darth Vader comics.
Yeah, a beer fridge
Imagine if acolyte did this instead of stupid force twins😢
He couldn’t go to his castle nearby??
He was being hunted down by an assassin on mustapha as well and the assassin had his lightsaber.
@@BubbleGumGuy-gx1xj fair enough, but it also begs the question, if the wayfinder was on Mustafar near HIS CASTLE, why did he have to “find that out” lol
Stop asking questions just consume product
Bro has really been through it all
Disney had to ruin the perfect ending of Episode 6 with episode 9.
Yo Luke, I know we destroyed the empire and saved the galaxy but I’m going to neglect telling you about the next galactic level threat.
Darth Vader would have died without his replace limbs which means he doesn’t really know how to die, also he wouldn’t he return to the light side after that “betrayed and anger feeling” long ago when he was turned in to a sith.
Vader: " GOD DAMMIT HE ESCAPED AGAIN ! OK VADER its fine everything is going to be fine palpatine will churely understand this yea yea he will forgive you"
But returned his limbs from the droid ones at what point? Don't remember old droid arms throwing him over the edge. Connection so strong with the force could choke multiple officers over facetime, yet couldn't sense he had 2 kids.
A what if Anakin made a clone by seeing this. Probably not but it would be cool.
If his limbs were replaced with droid parts. Wouldn’t that be enough to kill palpatine using Tutaminis.
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Dude, name one villain who had it worse than Vader.
Was this written by a 6 year old after seeing rise of Skywalker?
Darth Side eye was poweful. But yet still not stronger tham his master Darth Plantuss
Then they had a giant Kaiju/Pokémon Battle and Vader lost. Palps then threatened Vader and said if he ever betrayed him again he would destroy him.
crikey vaders been through it ain’t he
Will make sense because I always wonder how did he afford and find material to make a hole fleed of star destroyer.
Sweet geezus and people given the old EU a hard time for having an explanation for everything
Disney, you can't undo your poor ass planning of the sequel trilogy, stop trying to justify it
Snoke is definitely a clone of vader
Oh, this is Disney. I was so confused cause none of the shit makes sense lol
That wasn't Palpatine at Exegol that was a clone of him... so not that powerful
And Vader killed Snoke. Then he cloned him.
You Forgot to add that Luke's Hand was also there