MOYA EP 30 | DR JJ KLAAS | CULTURAL CONFUSION | NONGQAWUSE | XHOSA WARS | NKOSI HINTSA | CATTLE
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- Опубліковано 27 лис 2024
- Moya is a dignified platform for African healers and scholars to unpack the natural sciences and history.
In this episode we sit down with Dr JJ KLAAS about his book,
Triangle of 100years wars.
We unpack the Xhosa war,King Hintsa and Nongqawuse.
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Xhosas make me feel proud to be an African, this kind of gallantry, bravery and astute military prowess is unparalleled. I didn’t know the Xhosas had fought so gallantly against the colonisers. I had thought it was only the Zulus and Mzilikazi’s Ndebeles who had fought so brave against the British. Me being a Ndebele let me share with you a short history of the Ndebele in war. In November 1894 the British South Africa company (BSA) destroyed King Lobhengula’s kingdom, the soldiers came from the Cape in SA, Botswana and from MaShonaland in Zimbabwe. They fought a number of battles against the Ndebele such as the Battle of Mbembesi, the Battle of Phuphu and the battle of Lalaphansi. Cobbing writing in his seminal work opined that the Ndebele warriors were the bravest in the whole of Africa. Many warriors were gunned down, the British first tested their maxim guns against the Ndebeles and they were so destructive. When the Ndebeles were defeated a regiment led by Mtshana Khumalo went with king Lobhengula towards the Shangani river, on the way they took an ambush knowing that General Alan Wilson was in pursuit of the Ndebele King. Unaware, just like the Xhosa shock and awe attack, the Ndebele warriors wiped the whole Alan Wilson detachment numbering more than 30. As I speak their bornes are interred at the Matopo hill where Cecil Rhodes’s remains lie. The British failed to capture king Lobhengula, however, they took his apparent heirs to Grahamstown in SA to ensure that the Ndebele kingdom never rises from the ashes.
This us why its important to have fundis that are sharing our true history and not the liars who tell a take to favor their western agenda, the whites
Maqoma fought over 20 British Generals. They kept bringing new ones and he defeated most of them until his death. He was also the first prisoner in Robben Island if I'm not mistaken
Your book should be part of the curriculum. We have been robbed of our identity and it's books like yours that will restore. Thank you Ntsiki to your guest.
That’s what I was thinking and it will give our people pride and identity.
Indeed it has to be part of Curriculum
I believe he’s working on that already.
No man, we need more episodes with Dr Klaas. Please!
Ngesikhathi bathatha izinkomo zethu they took our past present and future, look at us.
KwaZulu our ancestors referred to white people as abelumbi, ukulumba being an act of witchcraft. At this point we can't prove our ancestors wrong 😪
Siyabonga sis Ntsiki, kwande🙏🏾
Enkosi Dr Klaas we been quiet for far too long as a Xhosa Nation now it's time for us to tell our own history
Documentary Please! Our kids need to watch this.
This deserves a documentary
Sisi Ntsiki and the team you are awakening the giants guys. Siyathokoza
Thank you Folks for the humbling constructive comments. Enkosi kakhulu uyabulela uMsuthu.
Msuthu, makubekho documentary about this, even a movie. I wish I was rich, I'd fund it.
@@viwesidneymfundisi9623 We need documentaries on the RESISTANCE MOVEMENTS not only of South Africa but of AFRICA as a whole. They love to paint our ancestors as cowards who rolled over and gave over the land; The AmaXhosa wars; the Zulu wars; the 100 year Ashanti wars, the Samouri Toure Resistance (Guinea); the Maji Maji resistance (Tanzania); the Chimurenga wars (Zimbabwe); The Nandi resistance (Kenya).
We also need documentaries about the ROYAL FAMILIES; how they intermarried to form links and create DYNASTIES!
I need your book Dr
Sinelunda singamaXhosa❤
This is the age of the reveal, the time where all things hidden, all things lied about come to light!!! I love this dimension and age we’re entering, and it’s going to take centuries and centuries to unfold, EVERYTHING being restored to its original glory!!! I’m proud to be black in these mysterious and chaotic times where everything has to go back to its rightful place. The devils and demons that have been given rulership over the indigenous peoples of this earth, their time is coming to an end, and these devils are going to hades where they belong! The Universe has spoken! The stars have spoken! Nothing is going to stop what is written in the skies 👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽
Please bring this guy back Ntsiki
King Hintsa is my favorite king of our country.
Chess player that King Hintsa.
He was ahead of his time
Dr. Pedro Mzileni should be on a list of your guests coming to Moya 😊
I fully agree
Read his book. Very good one. The Nongqawuse story is a very sad one, the British created it in order to present the African (amaXhosa) as irrational beings in order to justify dispossession.
Yes Xhosas were never defeated. Noel Mostert says it ended in a stalemate hence the qualified vote system was introduced after negotiations and disarmament. To paraphrase Mostert, there were tit for tat attacks with no out right winner in the end.
I could listen to Dr Klaas the whole day. What a beautiful narrator. I am going to start reading his book from next month on my holiday.
M really proud of these historical xhosa events it makes me proud to be me from this powerful Kingdom Camagu ❤
I’ve been waiting for an episode like this. This has actually answered the questions I’ve always had since I started seeking knowledge about isizwe sakwaxhosa. I just wish the conversation was a bit longer so the line of questions could follow the story from the beginning to the end
Thank you Phozisa
What is interesting is the KhoeSan people being integrated into the Xhosa nation we need to hear about this and not the lies we been told
Camagu Gogo. I lost 😮 words. Dr Klaas is drawing pain and sorrows of Africans. Even more painful that lateTatuMandela and TatuMbeki did nothing, absolutely nothing about it.
They failed dismally!!
DR Klaas
Wow -Enjoyed that thoroughly
Thank you for that beautiful history lesson.. Siyabulela Suthu 🙌🏾 Mvulane🙌🏾
Will def be buying that book, siyafuna ukwazi ngemvelaphi yethu sisi sizwe sakwaXhosa, ngakumbi ulutsha.
Your narration has indeed woken something in me & you have made us feel proud of our history as a Xhosa nation, you hv reminded us that indeed singama qhawe, futhi sasi Kade singawo
Thank you Ntsiki for your work, and efforts to get us woke sisi, we see you mntanasekhaya. You are a gem mbokodo
Thank you Ntsiki, I really enjoyed this conversation. Khange ndivhe kamnandi xa iphela. Please consider a part 2 🙏🏾
Thank you for this guest. I love being reminded of our history. Decades later all this info makes so much sense now.
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Molweni 🙏🏿, sicela documentary movies based on Professor' s book🙏🏿
Or a series mntakwethu
@masibulelebele2346 ewe, please🙏🏿
About time we hear Xhosa culture and heritage
So captivating and at the same time shocking that I did not know this History about the Xhosa people😢 I am definitely getting this book..thank you so much Ntsiki for this platform. Thank you Dr Klass for imparting such a wealth of knowledge in our history🙏🙏🙏👌
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❤❤❤❤wow great podcast!!!!
The cows that were poisonous came by sea from Australia and was a bathering system which started the Battle of iBika.
Some of these cows were dumped in the modern day Mossel Bay where amaCete Kingdom was with the view of doing ethnic cleansing
Thanks Dr Klaas for debunking this whitewashed, revised history and myth of Nongqawuse. We also need the full documentary you have on your Tik Tok channel on the Frontier Wars. Our children need to see this history that you have narrated.
Ubaw’ uKlaas sisisele senyathi, the knowledge he gives is what we need to have a thorough understanding of our past.
Well done on creating a space to encourage the unlearning of lies and attainment of truth MaMiya❤️ this is time well spent, it’s wholesome indeed.
Enkosi kakhulu duna lakuthi
@@DrJJKlaas-yd3ru please start a podcast please we need this content
There are similarities to the Eastern Cape past leaders to the kingdom of Kush, Mansa Musah, nubian nations. They were once thriving nations wealthy with great leaders and civilizations but in modern times they havent managed to regain their former glory.
I sometimes think the is an 'Eastern Cape curse' the province has given so much to SA interms of leadership (Mandela, Mbeki, Sobukwe, Biko, Hamilton Nake, Tambo, Sisulu, Madikizela) yet we havent been able to capture that to regain our former glory.
What r we doing about it? We are a wonderful and great people we need to come together and do something about building our EC
AmaXhosa nation.
Isizwe sikaPhalo,sikaNgqika,sikaMalangana,sikaNtu,sikaXhosa..
Siyafunda kakhulu ngamvelaphi yesisizwe🙌😊👏Thina klk asiyazi imbali yaso yesisizwe esiphantsi kwaso...uyabulela uMamgcina from kumhlaba wase Lady Frere!
Thanks for bringing the guy. Slowly but surely, an African child is being liberated mentally.
Thank you Zandi
Camagu !! 😭😭 Bawo Klaas, Ntsiki enkosi with these Masterclasses
Story sikaNongqawuse siyahlekisa ke if it was all a lie, hayi bakithi😆
Nothing that I love more than a person who knows history, dokotela Klaas dankie siyabonga.
Credo Mutwa spoke about that in great detail
Great episode Gcwanini. You need to tap in on iziduko also because thats also a messed up situation kwaXhosa.
Thanks again Ntsikie and your guest. When I watch Eid last time , couldn’t comment back for some reason I was turned off comments.
Truly Devine talk. Commenting from Dimbaza EC KWT right at the foot of the Amathole Mountains a stones trow from Maqomas grave and turns. His army strategy was mostly drawn or inspired by him spending lots a time observing army ants. AaaaaaH!! Jong'umsobomvu!! Peace ✌
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This was amazing
Congratulations Dr Klaas on your informative body of work...
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Siskolo esi Bawo!!!! Getting the Book!
I strongly believe & have also witnessed that: the conscious spirits keeps not quiet or still bout the Truth...u see it in a dream then wake up & say 'agh its just a dream'. I hear conversations in my head that aren't mine but those of times past and from spaces far before them. What im saying is that somehow our souls have the truth, show us the truth of such times kodwa we (as the most intelligent beings...lol...are even ignorant to our innate and internal sources of Truth) rather choose to believe in;
1) fear
Fear of own Truth shem😢.
So many movies now r starting to depict/portray/act-out certain long hidden Truths as scenes in sci-fi movies or political crime stories then we just swallow it and take it as, wait for it.....ENTERTAINMENT.
WHAT DOES THAT PORTEAY BOUT MUNTU MNYAMA WHEN ABALANGU THEMSELVES TELL US THAT U CANT EVEN BUILD ON WHAT U ALREADY OWN WHICH IS...LAND IN AFRICA
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We are powerless to our own knowledge.
We are ignorant to our own power.
We want to be 'woke' bout our cultures and heritages? Lets start by taking our family reunions effin seriously; our funerals & wedding ceremonies r effin spits on graves of forefathers & foremothers who committed their lives & households to building communal legacies.
If We really want to show that we want to change we must start by damn well changing our mindsets from trending to building; from influencer to grower; from entitlement mentality back to each one teach one mentality.
Our Truth...Our truth lives in our Spirits but we live only for flesh unchofornately coz we lost that value of spiritually connecting with everything around us including dikgomo le naha.
And no Sis Ntsiki mtase, documentary will delay the transfer of true knowledge of self bcoz adults dont like to be told that what they as truth is a lie.
I say each one teach one.
Monna le Mosadi ba rute bana ho tloha bonnyaneng ka dinnete tsa lelapa le setjhaba sa batho ba batsho. How will ur wokeness spread to ur children if ur sending them to colonial lifestyle systems from birth. The worst we can do is die without empowering the next generation with Our Truth then expect them to fight what we knew & could've but didnt.
"Give them the country my comrades, let them have it. They'll give it back to us without them even knowing it then we take it for good!!!!" That was 30 years ago guyzini and its heading there.. 🤞🏼
siyabulela MaGcwanini nobaw' uMsuthu! enkosi kakhulu!
Enkosi Mlungisi
Oh! This should be interesting! Years ago, I met this Xhosa young man...one day we were talking over, the phone, I asked him what he was reading and he said he was reading a book on the Cape Frontier Wars. I'd heard of the Battle of Isandlwana but not the Cape Frontier wars. And so my lessons began.
It’s a goodie
Thank you
I am so glad you did that. Cape Frontier Wars are fascinating. Makes me proud to be umXhosa.
Siyabonga kakhulu Mwalimu Klaas❤️ Brilliantly shared profound knowledge & truth about OUR past🙏🏾
What a mouthful. I’m so happy for the Nongqawuse conversation, needs to happen more often.
We need to also listen to the cries from the spirits of the fallen kings. The whole country is full of british troops symbolism.
We have streets and cities named after these evil british troops that killed our people. And that’s unsettling the spirits of our Kings.
Please bring a historian who knows Basotho and other nations because honestly we tired of knowing Zulu stuff nje hearing about AmaZulu all the time we seriously need stuff like this and thank you ausi Ntsiki now I know the history of Xhosas❤️
No problem my baby….will get on it ❤️
"...nizilibele uba nizalwa ngobani..."
Ndiyithanda owukwam longoma leyo sisingqi sakwaNtu.
Iculwa nguSister wakhe omdala kuye uThandiswa Mazwai☺🎶🎙🥁🎧🎤
Forgot your roots
Ntsiki you need to have a coordination of your work in terms of questions . I say this in good spirit . I’ve noticed your line of questioning is sporadic . You ask this , get carried away with the point and forget the initial question. Your questions must be well coordinated not all over the place . You missed a very interesting build up from the dr . He started with the tale of Nongqawuse. You should’ve challenged him to build it . To its completion , just after . Draw him back to Kunjani Hintsa maybe his upbringing or his interesting has of his life . Kanjalo kanjalo . Even to Ta Thando , you let him go without address much pertinent issues about Prof Sobukwe , I’m afraid . You bring best guest yet you let them go with unfinished businesses. Yhini Sbewu omhle
Oh sthandwa I hear you. Noted. I wish we had budget for longer time also. Will do better 🙏🏿
@@NtsikiMazwai❤
Love you for this positive response to constructive criticism. A lot of creators get offended. Ndave ndakuthanda even more.
@@NtsikiMazwai❤❤❤
Beautiful interview, congratulations on having a podcast with a Africanist view.
Siyabulela Sis'Ntsiki and Doctor Klaas!
Thanks Ntsiki and Dr Klaas .
This Episode was great I enjoyed it especially Sis Ntiski's reactions 😮😮 oko ekhuza 😅...Been following Dr JJ Klaas and his great work for some time now, Am very passionate about History and Looking forward in meeting him one day 'soon'
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Appreciated Africa
This I have to put on repeat. This sounds like a history masterclass.
Thank you Thabang
Great episode sisi. Keep up the good work!
❤😢siyabulela Sisi Ntsiki🙇🏾♂️🙏I needed this
King Sandile is never mentioned in history imbi ilihlazo futhi lonto enkosi Dr JJ Klaas
It's sad how this history is not talked about.
It’s deliberate
Thank you, Ntsiki and many thanks to Dr. Klaas for sharing a revitalisation of our history.
Give this man a BEER!! 💯❤
Wow what a great story… King Hintsa phila ngonaphakade.
Appreciated Mrikoored
Interesting❤
Wow what a intriguing idea ❤
Thank you so much
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Brilliant conversation with Dr Klaas. He's a well of knowledge
Thank you Sizwe
Yhooo mntase, enkosi Mamiya omhle. uThixo akubusise, kwande apho uthatha khona🎉 i love you for this
Am learning 😮😮😮
Mee too from your feedback
Great content 👌
I am humbled.
Oh I can’t wait for this one.
Appreciated.
Really enjoyed this episode because it relates to grade 10 history content.
Thank for uTata we learn so much from him. Siyabulela🙌🏿
I can’t wait
Great conversation
Appreciated Mphona
Thank you Dr
Thank you Karabo
Camagu Sisi syabulela ❤️🙏
Awu u Khetshe umkhulu 🙏🙏🙏
Uyabulela uMsuth' obhuzubhuzwana.
Ngumni na lo mnumzana? Yhoo ndiyayifuna le ncwadi, enkosi Dr. Khewu
NguMvulane lona
We need more of this
Thank you for this
I have taken it upon myself to teach my children the true history of our people, Not only the Xhosa, but Africans at large, both bad and good. I had asked these questions from primary school level when we were doing standard 3. There was absolutely No Xhosa history stories except the Myth of uNongqawuse (which I dismissed on spot). The question of the land wars is displayed by the beautiful land marks that are still in the hands of the Xhosa speaking people to this day. It is in Eastern Cape that you find Villages in the Beach Front with cattle grazing and kids walking freely around every morning in a natural environment. The Traditional Leadership of my Village is called aMaGqunukhwebe ase Lwandle Traditional council because we occupy a vast coastal area under the rulership of our Traditional Leaders to this day. This is Not because we had been done a favor by the Colonizers, No, we owe it to the Warriors in the form of King Hintsa kaKhawuta, Sandile and others who fought gallantly for 100 years defending our native land.....
Nice one. ❤
Appreciated Sipho
A great man and scholar... Umhlobo wam, uMsuthu. Camagu mntanomhle.
William Gqobha makes an argument around the Nongqawuse narrative. He says it is impossible that in such a society, a mere girl could have so much of an influence to the wise,old and knowledgable men to tell them to kill their inheritence? Gqobha disagrees with the narrative as Msuthu logically does.
Strike the shepherd and the sheep will scatter. Law number 42 on Robert Greene's book. Good read, if emotion is set aside.
Appreciated Thabang
Yeah cc that was devine I want the book❤
You can get an electronic version online
Great work Doc for your bravery in rewriting the history. Please do some work as well with the formation of the Xhosa nation. Soga in his good attempt has made some errors. For example you mention in this interviw that clans such as Ntshilibe and Ngqosini were Suthu, which is incorrect. Not even amaMvulane are Suthu. Jeffrey Pieres in an intecepted convesation with a researcher yakwaGaba conceded that he does not know much about the Qora people were amaNtshilibe and Amangqosini originate.
Great content as always, Enkosi Gcwanini wethu noDr Klaas
Appreciated Siviwe.
The Intro tracks plays fine on both ears, but from 30 seconds I can only hear sound only on my right ear. I don't think it's my headphones coz when I play old episodes they are fine.
Will pass message to technical
Enkosi maMiya
Nathi siyabulela kumaGcwanini
Whaaattt
New subscriber here and already obsessed❤
Welcome home 😍
Hlala kakuhle
You’re not welcome here 🙏🏿
Finallly someone has confirmed my suspicion yake nonsesical story sikaNongqawuse. This story doesn't make any sense or whatsoever abelembi amaqwihahhhhhhh enyani
I am glad I made a contribution
Mr Mthethwa mentioned this when I was doing history and he even revisited the story of Ntombazi which is also like this one of Nongqawuse which are fabrication and little truths there and there .This storie didn't make sense .I will get the book to teach my kids real history not fake history . In Shaka's izibongo it is hilighted how he killed Zwide with European weapon and during the incident Farewell was there and the cause of the war was witchcraft .And no in so-called history do they mention that Mzilikazi ,Zwide ,Soshangane were one family (divide and rule )
This is good, really good. But please prepare next time. Liked and subscribed.
I don’t know what you mean when you say prepare because how My podcast is structured is that I come as an empty vessel and drink. If you want more journalistic podcasts with an approach you want, there are many podcasts out there and you’re welcome to go enjoy their content. Love and Light
What went wrong in the interview?
Ndiyaqala ubona uNtsiki in awe of a man. I can safely assume that Dr Klass is the type Ntsiki would submit to
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@@NtsikiMazwai not saying to offend you Ntsiki, but the way I understand you, you are a woman of virtue and I don't think you'd submit to men of no substance
King Hintsa, calculative cunning genius 😂😂
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"I want the kids to understand this!"
HA RE FA BANNA NNETE BA PHELE NNETE.
Interesting.....Please get also someone from tswana tribe to come and explain the history
Great interview. How can I buy his book?
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Sibulela Kakhulu Mkhulu
Kubulela mna Thandoz
Did we also use guns at the time of Maqoma?
Please Mamiya ask Dr how do we get his book . I want one copy urgently . Thank you .
He says just the title and his namen
You can get a pdf copy from online from various entities.