Is the Beretta 1301 tactical with the hype?
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- Опубліковано 14 жов 2024
- TL:DR another fanboy trying to justify his expense…
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Thoughts on shooting in and around vehicles, people and valuable stuff in general:
1. Know your gun, in this case, I knew the pattern of my load would be tight enough to clear the vehicle with no issues be aware of height over bore, the offset between your aiming point and point of impact at close range, don’t use a gun with a muzzle brake and be aware of the ejection pattern so your not bouncing shells off anything important. 2. Set your targets at an angle with the greatest margin of error through the window.
3. Choose and practice getting into a comfortable shooting position many times before going live, shift your body until you are not under tension to rotate out of the safe angle to fire 4. Open all windows to lower the pressure spike inside the vehicle
5. Go slow, inside a vehicle and really in any training environment where you are stacking tasks, the focus is on the process, form and accuracy, not SPEED! You are going as fast as you can insure with 100% verification of all the above…. 6. Lastly, stop if there is anything you missed or something changes from your dry run……just my thoughts, we spend a lot of time in vehicles so we should definitely know how to work in and around them, get training specifically for it if you can, but if not, try it out…go slow, crawl, walk, run adhere to 4 universal safety rules at all times and don’t go live if your not comfortable but you should at least practice getting into the positions, maybe drawing from your holster with an empty gun.
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I purchased a 1302 LE version back in October of 21. I absolutely love this Gun!!! I have not experienced any malfunctions regardless of what I feed it.
How many rounds have you fired so far?
@@gutadin5 approximately 500 including 00 Buck, #6 bird,#8 bird, #4 Buck, 2 3/4 & 3” slugs. Absolutely amazing !!!
Great review.
I purchased mine about three weeks ago, exact same version of the black 1301 with factory 7 round magazine & changed the stock to GG&G adapter with Mossberg stock.
I also have the Esstac multicam cards. (i have the 7 round cards)
Today I placed ordered for black Aridus Handguard. I didn't like the m-lok location on the barrel clamp for the flash light.
Hopefully with the Aridus handguard, I can place the flash light and remote switch closer to me.
Mounting a light was pretty frustrating, I wanted the light and switch as far back as possible for weight distribution and activation, the GG&G rail made sense. However if you run a sling, you have to put the light in the other side which GG&G doesn’t make a right side version. I ended up using an offset rail section to push the light up to clear my sling but it’s not perfect…the aridus handguard really is the easiest solution but I was really trying f ti avoid going full aridus…
Also, thanks for watching!
I love my Beretta 1301 Tactical. I just put on a Blackhawk 3 point Universal swift sling. Really like this setup. Also put one on my Daniel Defense AR.
Nice video! What kind of sling are you using? I like that elastic keeper around the stock. Any tips on that?
Thanks! Its the magpul m3 sling I think, but any quick adjust sling would do the same…bfg bickers, trex, magpul…all similar concepts. Its actually a piece of Inter tube from a bicycle..amazingly useful stuff, more durable than a rubber band and you can pick your width…also, almost free
Very nice review. Picked one up recently and love it!
I wish i got this version instead. Thats a lot of value for $1400 no more worries for 922r compliance with the included extension tube. And retains the lightweight of the 1301, my Magpul/Aridus Marine 1301 seems heavier. For me the stock version is better being lighter.
Very good review…👍
Thank you!
Man, thank you for you video! Glad to finally see someone not rough-shod all over the factory extended magazine tube model, and not have the uber-popular handguard--which makes most people's 1301's look exactly like the next person (so much for customization); you even kept the OEM guard on. What did you use for a sling/light attachment?
I just bought one of these a few days ago, with the traditional stock, but will attach the SGA stock. You made some very valid-sounding points in your demonstration: particularly, the comment about discharge justification with a single shot, using a shotgun instead of any other type of firearm. I'd never considered that, but it's an appreciated insight now.
Thanks for the kind words, I used a GG&G rail for the light (it attaches via the magazine tube) and then an offset rail to mount the tlr1. The offset is needed to clear the sling which is attached via the qd slot on the magazine extension. I’m looking for a better method but for now, it’s functional. It’s a sweet firearm, I’m sure you’ll enjoy it.
Great vid. Very well thought out 🤙🏻
FPS Doug and his "boom headshot"..... such memories.
Culture!
Nice review! And enviably good, fast shooting. I've had one in OD green for about six months, and I love it. Have run it through classes. Never had an issue with it. BTW, NJ law limits us to 6 in the mag tube, so this version is a no-go here.
Thanks! That’s shame about NJ, but still, you could do a lot worse that 6+2 of OObuck
How did you attach that picatinny rail to your pump forend?
I've had my eye on it for awhile im definitely gonna get one in the FDE color .. to match my gear
You are a very brave man to shoot from your vehicle like that
Well if you ever wanted to try it, a couple things to keep in mind:
1. Know your gun, in this case, I knew the pattern of my load would be tight enough to clear the vehicle with no issues be aware of height over bore, the offset between your aiming point and point of impact at close range, don’t use a gun with a muzzle brake and be aware of the ejection pattern so your not bouncing shells off anything important. 2. Set your targets at an angle with the greatest margin of error through the window. 3. Choose and practice getting into a comfortable shooting position many times before going live, shift your body until you are not under tension to rotate out of the safe angle to fire 4. Open all windows to lower the pressure spike inside the vehicle
5. Go slow, in side a vehicle and really in any training environment where you are stacking tasks, the focus is on the process, form and accuracy, not SPEED! You are going as fast as you can insure with 100% verification of all the above…. 6. Lastly, stop if there is anything you missed or something changes from your dry run……just my thoughts, we spend a lot of time in vehicles so we should definitely know how to work in and around them, get training specifically for it if you can, but if not, try it out…go slow, crawl, walk, run adhere to 4 universal safety rules at all times and don’t go live if your not comfortable but you should at least get the positions and make ready drill a try with and empty gun at some point. Just my thoughts
Probably the best and most thorough review I’ve seen on the 1301 T, and I’ve seen a bunch of them. This is my favorite gun of all time. Like you, I keep it stowed in the same configuration, minus the slugs on the side. For me slugs are very unlikely to be needed, but I can see the worth in having them available if your needs are different. Great comparisons to the other HD options, rifle and pistol.
A clarification from the video. What did you say about the speed difference to the first shot from safety on vs safety off? TIA… 👏🏻 👏🏻 👏🏻
Thank you!!! That means a lot. I put my heart and soul into it. Still new to the editing and presentation style but I think it gets better every video…and I agree, the need for slugs is pretty unlikely, I just also believe a situation needing an 8th round of buck shot is also pretty unlikely, so I figure, might as well add a little versatility. 🤷🏽♂️…….with the safety where it is, I don’t think there is any added time to the first shot, or if there is, it’s negligible. I might have been taking about how I’m a little slower to the first shot from high ready than low ready, but maybe that’s a different video. Yeah, the 1301’s safety is a far cry from the 870 which I never use the safety on just because it’s hard to disengage in a hurry and I would have to run the pump between each round anyway, I have heard though that a oversized safety on an 870 makes it much more usable but I haven’t tried it.
@@morlock8621 Hey, you’re welcome. And thanks for the safety or high/low ready clarification. As to the alternative, large head Remington safeties, I chose the Remington “Police” big head safety for my 11/87. It’s exactly the same as the 870. It works a lot better than the standard safety. As your finger goes into the trigger guard, you can easily press it off. However, I prefer the Beretta’s safety because it matches the Ruger safety’s location on all my 10/22’s and clones that I enjoy shooting. I believe in cross platform consistency if possible. And there are “Dome head” safeties for the Remington shotguns from Vang and others, but I think they stick out too far and can be more easily pressed off, so I avoid them.
As to the legendary “8th round” likelihood, I think these loading drills are beneficial for learning your chosen shotgun, but if you piled up 7 dead bodies of home intruders in your living room, you would be interviewed by every gun podcaster known to mankind as having made defensive history times 1,000. IMHO it will never happen. Historical statistics back me up. Nonetheless, while my shotgun is staged minus any side saddle shot cards filled with anything, I’ve been practicing for an upcoming shotgun course at the end of the month, with my Vang cards and Velcro covered receiver. 😇
flyboytim2009 I’ll have to look into that, I’d like to send that 870 off for some work, mainly just a vangcomp mod to the barrel, a refinish and swap the springs out, I’ll have to give an aftermarket safety some more thought, especially after your insight….much agreed on the reloading proficiency. It’s a great skill and may be used in the “make ready” stage of a fight but I can’t find any cases of someone needed to reload a 4 or 5 shot shotgun during an engagement. Let alone after 7. But what’s the saying? 20 percent of the training prepares you for 80 percent of the possible situations, and the next 80 percent of training is to prepare for the remaining unlikely 20 percent of what could happen.
@@morlock8621 if you are sending the 870 to Vang anyway, their dome safety is pretty good. Depending on how your hand interfaces with the shotgun, it can be deactivated with the trigger finger on the way to the trigger. It is user dependent though, it doesn't work for everyone.
Nice shooting!
Great,,, video..!!!!
its better to load the tube, safety off and pull the trigger so you have a round on the lifter, no spring tension on the hammer and all you gota do is rack the bolt and then fire.
I would say it depends on your firearm and training. I prefer one on the lifter and 6 in the magazine, and safety ON. Typically that condition is refered to as cruiser ready, in a semi-auto 12 gauge. The leaving space in the magazine tube allows you to do a slug change over with a second slug on tap. (I have a video showing that particular manipulation, but It’s featured a couple times in this review). I like the safety ON particularly with the 1301 because it is in such a useable location as compared to an 870. A lot of the courses I have been to emphasize “processing” from high or low ready, then once receiving enough criteria to shoot i.e ability, opportunity and intent to kill or seriously wound from the subject, acquire acceptable sight trigger, disengage the safety and move to actuate the trigger. Obviously speed and efficiency matter, but the safety aspect and positive target ID, for me will always be the priority…Primum non nocere “first, do no harm”
awesome video and nice shooting with those slugs.. holy shit! all these great videos are making my job easier :) we just got a big batch of the different colored 1301s at our NY Gallery. I bet we will sell out before March.
I know a lot of folks are frustrated that they aren’t in stock anywhere
@@morlock8621 yup! a year ago, we had like 30-30 people on the waitlist for one.. but now, we are sold out of the black ones :D
Keep up the training
do the gen 2 versions come with chokes?
Mine did
The generation 2's come with a flush fit improved cyclinder choke. They will accept all Optima HP chokes. They make those in every degree of constriction. The Optima HP chokes are not flush fit but actually look good. With a turkey choke (carlson) the 1301 patterns just like a dedicated turkey shotgun with the same 3" or less ammunition. Can usually be purchased for about half the price of a Benelli M4. Very simple and robust self cleaning gas system.
Why a six round side saddle vs the seven round?
no reason in particular, probably what was in stock at the time, I am of the perhaps controversial opinion, that people over emphasize the importance of capacity on a shotgun. there are very few documented cases where a someone reloaded a shotgun during a civie/LE encounter...now maybe thats because those folks didnt have the skill to perform a reload during the encounter, but I would say 6 rounds of 00 in a gun is a 6 bad guy gun.....I personally use the side saddle to add versatility, not so much capacity. not saying a single extra round would be the straw that breaks the camels back, but there is another saying as well, that the camel was hurting way before the final straw. to finish off this wall of text answer to a simple question, I'll just say, in my eyes, its acceptable to limit capacity in the name of maneuverability on a shotgun....which is why I also like the ability to lighten the gun significantly by ripping off the side saddle.
Are you new to shooting?
Sure feels like it some days lol
What are all the components to mount the light?
I should have covered that in the video, and will add a follow up video to cover it. But I used a GG&G 1301 accessory rail. That put the light where I wanted it…I then added a sling using the qd mount on the mag clamp… that means it interferes with the light…ideally I could have just got a GG&G rail for the right side instead, but they don’t make one. I now use cheap chinesium offset rail to push the light up enough to clear the sling, it works okay, and It hasn’t occluded the light beam in the manipulations I’ve done but anything is possible…if you were to use an offset light mount with a traditional flash light it would be fine, but mine direct mounts to a pic rail so I’m stuck with it
Check out the VANG COMP SYSTEM
I’m familiar with them, would love to send my 870 off to them, but they don’t work on beretta 1301’s.
Just excellent shooting, shotgun manipulation and insight! I did hit the subscribe button and a like.
I am lucky to have a 1301 Langdon and it has just been outstanding and I only have minor complaints and would go fight with it at a drop of a hat.
I also have a Benelli m4 LE/Mil and have had the same great experience as with the 1301! Told you I was lucky!
I am not certain why it is so firmly entrenched that the fighting shotgun is only good for home defense and CQB? I watched you do some excellent work with slugs out to 100 yds or so? As it is often said, it will do if you will do! In realistic situations, a fully loaded fighting shotgun with 7 or 8 and a few more on tap, should solve most of the world's problems one way or the other? It takes a truly dedicated and motivated bad guy to stand up to the overwhelming and disproportionate power of the 12ga. The point is, don't sell the fighting shotgun short. If you are a bad guy, you do so at your peril.
More fighting shotgun content, please? How about a 1301 and a m4 compare and contrast?
Thanks for the kind words! I agree! The fighting shotgun is a lot more appropriate and versatile that a lot of people think. And yep, more shotguns stuff coming, because shotgun stuff is the best kind of stuff!
Oh yes it is!!!!
I also notice that those who claim the limited capabilities of the fighting shotgun engage the target with one shell and done. NEXT! Let's go get that cheeseburger!
While those that do the same drill with a handgun or carbine immediately and seamlessly and invariably engage each with several shots? Why are all the additional shot necessary if they are the superior choice?
With all that said, if you have a gun with the flag goes up you are well ahead of the game! Choose well and wisely as your life does depend on it when it is for "reals."
Nah baby nah, 6shots and you have the equivalent of a single shot, I'll stick with the jts m12ak
All fun and games until you blow a hole in your tundra door. 😆
Very true, I talk about that some in the description
I’m here cause I love shotguns, and because I love shotguns.