Undergrad teaches you how to memorize and regurgitate. Law school teaches you how to think, analyze and resolve problems. You will forever see the world differently, and let me say, I loved every single minute of it.
This is a HUGE benefit. I attended law school about a decade ago and failed the bar exam. I am back to study for the bar and I must say, this lecture validates that I want to and shall make a go for it again. Thank you very much!
@@flyfish2562 thsi was very negative and you know it. law must be a passion for them if they’re still attempting over a decade later. non-traditional applicants are VERY common and don’t need anymore added on stigma nor judgement.
@@ariannabrown787 Don’t be delusional. If someone has left law school and is literally trying to pass the bar 10 flipping years later, the outlook doesn’t look good. Would you have preferred that I blow smoke up this persons arse and say… “No worries, your bound to ACE this! Ten years later?!!!” Do you have any idea how ridiculous that sounds??? The truth is that for law students who leave law school right after and go take the bar it is extremely difficult!!! Let alone for someone who has been out of school and has forgot everything they learned in the first two years of law school like, torts, contracts, constitutional law?!!! Now, if you want to tutor this young person… by all means. But don’t be stupid and tell me that I’m being negative, by giving them a dose of reality. Truth is if they reallllllly wanted to be a lawyer, they would have passed it within years of finishing law school, not ten years after leaving, losing all brain cells, and thinking it would be and easy thing to pass. 🤦🏽♀️
I've wanted to go into law since I was a kid. Early college was borderline disastrous, and then I enlisted on a "legal/admin option", but the USMC was phasing out their involvement in JAG. Afterward I'd left active duty I should have remembered my dream, but was dealing with reintegration into non-military society. All that to say, I have some classes I want to redo from my early years of my degree (only 4 or 5), and then I'm going for law school like I've wanted. This "socratic method" structure of things was implemented by a professor or two of mine, with the exception of only calling someone specifically unless no one volunteered. Those were my best classes, hands down. That's my style of learning. I hate lectures mainly because I can't tell, sometimes, what's important to the professor, versus what I think is important. But this makes me wish I lived anywhere near VA, just for this school.
This lecturer is a liar. I never cease to be amazed by liars in the legal profession who do not tell their clients/students that all persons are deceased in law. This means they are entities that exist only on paper and are created by the state. So how is a living wo/man ever a dead entity ? Only by trickery and fraud of the legal profession. This is done so they can raid your trust estate. This is why you are told to "represent" your self in court rather than to present yourself.
First professor on first day of law school told us "Law and logic have nothing in common". Discouraging but entirely correct. Especially since politicians are mostly lawyers.
Well it depends on what school of thought you are. If you separate law as an isolated study difer and independet from other study, yes that proposition is correct. But law isnt SUPPOSED to be like that.
The Socrates method is great because it keeps the students actively participating in class and since you don't know if the professor will call on you on a particular case, you must always be prepared for class. A very good presentation.
I love being able to watch videos like this from one of the top Law schools! Gives me insight into law school - as I do hope to attend law school one day.
I wish to see law school books from american schools and to attend few classes. I am third year student of law in Europe. For me, law is a breeze. I dont struggle with it at all. But I see in US they hype law so hard. Now, I know Americans arent the smartest people out there but I am wondering if its really that hard.
@@quyen8059 Well, no. But at my uni, we study Common and Anglo-saxon law, american constitutional law, our constitutional law, we go in details of pretty much everything. Americans cry about law being so difficult and hard to learn. For me, its so easy, I “soak up” law easily. Except financies. That i cannot.
My father was a cop his whole life, age 21 until he turned 65. I find the law interesting, was a great subject to learn, I love it, sadly when my father was asked to be sheriff, they discovered he had terminal cancer and I gave up school to care for him. Learning helps, tho I cannot make it a profession at my age. But I can infuse it to my grandkids ears..... Thank you for these videos and the time you dedicate!.
You can look into colleges such as Phoenix university which has the option to take all your courses online. You get to learn and graduate and not miss a beat. best of luck dont give up ♥️
Idk what I’m getting into going to law school but what I do know is, I love learning about law. Currently in my 3rd year for pre law. Graduating in spring 2025! Wish me luck :’)
I’m 27 and planning to go back and finish my undergrad after having come to the realization that I hate chemistry and math and love politics and law. Hope to go to law school in the near future. This was so encouraging and inspiring and I was glued the entire time
I’m waiting to find out if I was accepted at law school here in the U.K. and I’m really grateful for these uploads! Yes, our law is different but I think these lectures help to get into the mindset. Thank you!
Even if you your not @ graduate law school it will not hinder you to think like a lawyer...self study and determination will not stop you from learning.
The Socratic method is truly the method that teaches you how to think like a lawyer . I don’t believe this can be self taught . Just my opinion, but I have been an attorney for 30 yrs .
I.R.A.C. = Issue. Rule. Analysis. Conclusion. This will help with fine tuning your brief with clarity and being concise. Work in small groups. Law school is not a solo sport. Good luck.
The things I took to heart was the advice given during the Q&A. [1] focus on your stress level [2] understand when you're most productive Everyone has heard the saying that we should treat law school like a job but seldom does anyone truly follow that saying. Most will still study an abnormal amount of hours and neglect basic sleep, nutrition, and a social life. To put it into perspective, if you were at work and one of your coworkers told you all he did everyday was pull all nighters, had no social life, and ate nothing but Doritos, you would be very disappointed in him. In the short run, they can get a solid [A] on the midterm but by the end of the year, if they're lucky to last that long, the amount of stress that'll pile up could result in worse grades, burnout, and even worse, you could end up dropping out completely because you hate the law school life style that you created for yourself that you mistakenly attributed to law school as a whole. Everyone is guilty of saying [ I studied 8 hours today] but realistically, we studied for 2 hours, surfed the web, and came back intermittently to our work, which by the end of the day, we probably studied 3 hours. Those 5 hours could have been used to take a nap or go for a walk, could have extended the study time for an extra 3 hours if utilized correctly.
I love this woman. Went to YLS from 1979-1972. This is so user-friendly. Trying to get students off on a sensible path, not trip them up. No such overview back in the day.
When I was in law school, I found it very challenging answering questions relating to real property. Depending on the subject, the socratic method could be very intimidating.
Yeah, contract formation, breach, and remedies weren't challenging to me. Present and Future Interest as well as RAP, however, were extremely difficult to grasp in real property. What a difficult subject real property is.
I will be attending law school shortly in the next month. This introduction video is useful in reference, to what I can expect from my first year in law school. Along with mentioning some guidance and helpful tips/tricks to proactively apply to case readings, first year studying, to do or not to do etc,. I would love to see updated videos, perhaps even lectures to further get an understanding of law school. Thank you for sharing!
Prof. Geis is such an awesome professor. I have him for some bar prep courses and have listened to his Great Courses Contracts course. Just top notch, great to see him popping up here!
I really enjoyed this video. I'm not an attorney, but as a labor relations specialist, I am reading cases often and applying the cases to my work and also educating others. I found this helpful in explaining rulings to other specialists.
When you read cases, you will need to learn "legalese" and read it from the "legal paradigm" that is often "disagreeable" to the normal people who do not understand it. the ONLY way to "interpret" legal decisions is with a "legal paradigm" in "legalese."
I've been considering going into Law School once I can go to college. I think its something I would excel in. Though I am also considering more creative paths like writing, where there would be less pressure and it would cost less money. I still have a few years before I have to make any decisions so, for now, I'll just learn as much as I can! Learning is fun and its a good pass time.
I understand that in Law school you are taught to act and think like a Lawyer, you are taught to analyze, understand and resolve problems, l love it, believe me.
I just watched the entire thing and listened diligently. Here's what I find most interesting: the dude with the glasses says he isn't an out of the box thinker. BUT. If you listen to him. And how he approaches things and describes those approaches. You can tell that he is VERY VERY creative. And very much an out of the box thinker. And a total joy and pleasure to listen to. I really enjoyed it.
I'm Brazilian, I work with carpentry, bricklayer, hydraulics, and I'm a barber I want to leave Brazil, go to the USA, but the visa is difficult, so if I get hired with a work visa, I'm married 49 years old, and very creative, I don't care how I go to work, cleaning, doorman, sealer, anything I do do, thanks and a hug.
I've never been to college, never thought about going to college, definitely never thought about going to law school. Yet here I am watching an introduction to first year law students solely because it was in my recommended.
The sound was recorded with a mic mounted in the camera across the room from the prof. Therefore, the prof's words seem distant and difficult to understand. The sound would've been much clearer recorded from a mic mounted on the podium. (FYI, this is Audio 101.)
I remember reading “Abe Lincoln’s Hat” when I was a kid. That was when I first decided that I wanted to be a lawyer. September of 2023 I am attending law school in England straight out of highschool. Wish me luck!
Our life expectancy is around 80 years. If you're willing to work doing something else then do it; but realize that 50 years is what stands between you and death. 50 years dedicated to something you're interested in contrasted with 50 years of something you cannot stand seems like a simple proposition.
The subjective nature of law school is one of the things that appeals to me most. In a way its an applied philosophy class. I don't find regular college to be engaging or what I care about. 90% of the information is memorize to brain dump the material after exams. Law school seems to be a completely different structure altogether.
There's merit to science, math, and engineering courses (and degrees) when it comes to handling the work load and approach of law school, so I've heard. Don't take the easy road toward law school; challenge yourself now and along the way and you'll be grateful for it later.
I am currently in middle school,and I am interested in practicing law, and I wanted to learn about some stuff, school wise, and this is extremely informative and helpful, it made it less intimidating, still very, but more inviting.
Thank you very much for this! I feel a lot better after watching this! This is super relatable and resourceful, I'm sure, for any other law freshmen who are in the same shoes as me. All the best to everyone who's starting law school! You got this. You are there for a reason. It's meant for you, trust me. You are the chosen one, you should feel proud of yourself! 👊❤
I'm still some years away from even applying, and yet I'm hyped more with each video and presentation on it. It's a life-long dream, and I'll get there one day.
@@Just_Call_Me_Tim That's amazing! I wish your dream comes true. For sure, it's not easy but with determination, persistence and consistency, nothing is impossible. All the best for your journey! 🙌🏻
I will be a law student soon, InshaAllah and will become a great lawyer🙏🙏 022521 Enrolled in a Law school 😄. Alhamdulillah Alhamdulillah. Gettin there InshaAllah. Ameen
@Guy Dunning Jr. bro she ain't even in law school yet, and I doubt she has, can, or would have wanted to go to the place which taught you your truth. Remember the ones who know only know because someone trained them (most likely not their parents) or they got jammed up in a violate your rights type of jam. PS you seem like a sov cit.
@Guy Dunning Jr. I'm not here to rebuttal you just questions, I Accept for Value everything you said Guy Dunning Jr. question(s); If one is a king without subjects would he be sovereign still? (yes) If one is a king wouldn't he be a citizen of his own kingdom? (yes) It may be an oxymoron but they exist lawfully too. As a matter of fact aren't we all American citizens? (Yes) Though some of us have duel citizenship in the United States too. Those of us without duel citizenship, just American aren't they naturally born sovereign? (yes) So if you answer that you'll get the term sovereign citizen that has been coined a terrorist group to the u.s. government corporation by the u.s. government corporation, for the purposes of deterring American people from the truth about the 2 United States on this land mass. Life is an oxymoron bro. But I know why you said it. I Am honestly not disagreeing with you, I Am trying to let you see what you look like to those who don't know and those who do. One of those sov cit, type lol. Let me ask you a question, You asked why is my name "fraudulently" all capitals. My answer is how does one interface with government? They give us an artificial person or corporation(s) at birth. Same name all caps. You actually get 2 one your parents made and gave away, then they went and got a "number" thinking it was for the 1st all caps estate but it is actually a whole separate corporation, same name also all caps. The first was the interface Corp in general so to speak, the second was the steal your rights for privileges and become my property Corp so to speak. Truthfully if they used right you keep all your Rights and get some benefits too. Why do American sovereigns have duel citizenship, or are (in possession of) 2 different titles of disenfranchisement and give up their sovereignty for privileges? Lack of knowledge destroys people and puts them into slavery. Yes the United States only has employees who are corporations with privileges and not Rights, and they are owned by the United States but it's not they fault we don't know the law, they are a corporation they are in the business of profit, also you don't have to exchange your rights for their benefits. People choose to and it really is not the job of the government to teach us the truth, their job is to protect the United eState(s) of Americans. Maybe not giving full disclosure is fraudulent lol. And last Why does the government let them Give up their rights unknowingly? Who is a public servant to tell a sovereign what to do... Nothing at all, and how would the person claiming to be sovereign prove themselves? By knowing how his kingdom operates, this really is the root of the problem it seems like you trying to awaken these people to, they don't know how their kingdom works and are mad cause the servants choose not to tell them and so they call it fraud. Then when people in their corporate capacity tries to interface with the government and do it like an "enemy of the State" would then why should they believe you're (still) sovereign? Answering your questions nope I wasn't content so I learned the truth. Now I know, why it is this way and how to operate in and out these corporations. I ain't defending them but the evil is not them and their operations as much as it's ours. Because we don't study the truth and take people at their word as long as they look professional etc., we could easily stop all the lies if everyone took responsibility for THEIR government as it was and remains our creation. Peace king, hope you perceive what I Am conveying to you. PS. Don't look at the government all negatively like maybe they ain't doing any thing wrong lol.
Wow! I’m an undergraduate student studying criminal law. This school looks like a dream! I love the professor's enthusiasm. I would love to attend a law school like this!
The vast majority of the comments of this video are either: conspiracy theorists hating the law and government, people who cant afford this school calling it a ripoff and maybe one or two interesting comments talking about opinions on the mentioned case in the lecture. (Please dont waste your time reading them like I did)
Or people like me, too retarded for law school, I went over president Lincoln's suspension of habeas corpus during the civil war several times until I started to see or think how that might relate to todays counter terrorism mission.
I find it very funny that law schools watch Legally Blonde(Which is a fantastic film), and are changing how they treat their students. I'm guessing alot of people were like,"Do law school professors really behave that way to students by making them cry, or kicking them out if they aren't prepared?" Nice to see law schools actually learned something from Legally Blonde. Keep it up, law schools.👍🏼❤
I tried to represent myself in court in a criminal case. I went to jail for two weeks for a mental eval.. just to get the “eval” minutes before my case two weeks later. Took the original plea to get out of jail the next day. this was about 8 years ago in Baltimore city. Lol I should have just went to law school. I had no idea what I was doing even though I swore I did! I learned to write and argue motions! And some procedures but I didn’t really understand how the system worked. Good times good times
0:00 first chap, how to study case? 27:36 second chap, contract law/ agreement. 54:09 Will be asked to apply to different situation. 1:23:36 Questions part
I think it sounds amazing, I haven’t started law school of even my second year of college but I would much rather prefer teachers asking YOU the questions and making sure YOU and everyone else understand what’s happening. Instead of lecturing you for 2+ hours and then only knowing if the kid needs help when he’s failing
It was my dream to study law but unfortunately due to unavoidable circumstances I couldn't get the opportunity. However, I still believe that my dream of becoming a lawyer is just a deferred dream which I must fulfill. I pray day and night that God may help me achieve my dream!
I would argue in defense of Zehmer that there were two contracts drafted, the reason for the second being that the first was invalid. The first was invalid because the wife did not explicitly agree to and sign the contract. If the wife was misled into signing a contract which was factually misrepresented to her, is the second contract not just as invalid as the first?
I thought the same as long as she was co-owner she was misled. The timing is suspiciously not business like. Prior refusals. Appraisal difference? Plus if you can be bound during intoxication why not duress. Whole thing stinks.
Yeah. In case any young lawyers are watching this, you will learn to "think" like a lawyer in law school. But law school does nothing to prepare you to practice. You get a fair understanding of the law studying for the bar exam. Where the magic happens is when you get your first legal job. The first morning of the first day as a prosecutor, my trial partner showed me a box full of files and said, "You have a dui trial at 9." It was then I realized how little law school prepared me to practice law. Like so many clubs, law school is just a three year hazing.
Thank you , very helpful for journalists covering the courts - we have to think like lawyers, hoping lawyers will think a little more like journalists, helps improve the storytelling.
It was alot I retained in this lecture, the Bar exam being 200 questions really stuck out to me. Sounds like a crow bar lol The scantron must be gargantuinm I'm satisfied with my paralegal certificate for now
June 15, 2018: Thanks so much for this video! *A glad heart makes a cheerful face, but by sorrow of heart the spirit is crushed. Proverbs 15:13; and 2) Do your best to present yourself to God as one approved, a worker who does not need to be ashamed and who correctly handles the word of truth. 2 Timothy 2:15
12 minutes in a lecture is exciting when to learn the profession of law in terms of 6 sectors of getting a prism axis to be a correctional attitude of latitude.
Just incredible that the naval-gazing and self-importance starts in the very first minute of this video, while puffing out and clapping for themselves getting into "one of the best law schools in the country"
I guess "meeting of the minds" really means, as far as could reasonably be determined from outward appearances. Makes sense, for the policy problem of evading a contract by lying about your not meaning it, but important distinction.
First day, when I enter into law class, my teacher give assignment to " think like a lawyer".it sound like a normal but after I found it and I do as a lawyer do, myself is like a lawyer even I'm a student.
"If I let myself do anything other than get up and start reading, I will find a way to waste two hours of time." Came here to learn law, but learned more about myself in the process.
Doing law in the UK and I wish they did the Socratic method. All law is studied in a 3 year undergrad degree with a legal practice course that is one year. I already have an undergrad degree from an American University so I have done what is called a conversion course that is essentially the three years in one for postgrad and that the practice course. I so wish I had attended law school in the states. It appears to be so much more complete and the students have a few more life skills having done an undergrad first.
From another introduction to law school online: "The essence of legal thinking goes largely unmentioned in law school. Professors typically stay on safe ground, avoid theory, and talk about the nuts and bolts of each case. But the main faculty of mind in thinking-like-a-lawyer is the ability to see some concrete facts behind a given rule and then the rule in a different set of concrete facts. As we saw in J’Aire, the rule regarding negligent interference with prospective economic advantage requires imagination to go from its categorical (material) facts to a concrete situation in which it applies, and imagination to go the other direction. That’s why the restaurant owner initially missed the significance of the case of the negligent notary. It’s hard to see how the six, general factors that determine a relationship between one person and another, sufficient for a legal duty in tort, in Biakanja, also fit the example of renovating a restaurant. If people don’t see through two-dimensional rules to the third dimension of reality beyond it, when studying law, how can they later see the rule in the facts of life? Students are often puzzled by the facts in an essay question, unsure which rules apply. Imagine what the restaurant owner’s lawyer in J’Aire may have thought to himself: I’m not looking simply at a restaurant owner here,[90] but at her role as a tenant and a third-party beneficiary of a contract between her landlord, the county, and a contractor, Gregory. And the very nature of the contractor’s activity seems to create a duty at law, in tort, because it’s obvious that if his work is done badly, the restaurant owner will suffer a financial loss, just as the sister did in Biakanja when the notary botched her brother’s simple will, knowing damn well her future fortune depended on him making a will that would stick. The process is called “issue-spotting” in law school, but it remains mysterious to some students. It is essentially seeing a rule’s categories amid specific instances of them. By analogy, in math, students don’t stare blankly at a 3-4-5 triangle, but know it has a right angle, illustrates the Pythagorean Theorem, etc. Taking practice tests in law school will sharpen your ability to see legal rules in the facts of everyday life,[91] which is necessary to get A’s on tests. Footnote #90: One common pitfall in legal research to avoid is thinking a concrete fact, such as a butter churn, is unique and serves as a legal category, when it doesn’t, so you miss the applicable general rule, such as the law of bailments, which probably applied in this anecdote by Holmes: “There is a story of a Vermont justice of the peace before whom a suit was brought by one farmer against another for breaking a churn. The justice took time to consider, and then said that he has looked through the statutes and could find nothing about churns, and gave judgment for the defendant.“ Holmes, “Path of the Law,” 16, in link: moglen.law.columbia.edu/LCS/palaw.pdf. If you ever get stuck during legal research, ask yourself, “Is this a churn problem? Am I dwelling on specific facts and missing the broader legal categories?” Footnote #91: Why was Brandeis so focused on the facts? He said, “No law, written or unwritten, can be understood without a full knowledge of the facts out of which it arises, and to which it is to be applied.” Louis Brandeis, The Living Law, 10 Illinois Law Review 461, at 467 (1915-6). Maybe that’s one reason he did so well in law school. Llewellyn’s digest is the road to B’s or C’s. The essay questions will trip you up. Imagine if you were given this essay question after reading the cases above: A high-school chemistry teacher is desperate for money and makes some meth in his basement. One night at home, he and his wife discuss a get-rich-quick scheme. She will sell the drugs that he makes while she tends bar on the weekends. After engaging in their business for several weeks, one night she sells to an undercover cop, gets arrested, and charged with drug dealing. When questioned, she says her husband was the criminal mastermind, and she will gladly testify to that to get immunity. When he is tried for conspiracy to sell drugs, what objection might his lawyer make to his wife’s voluntary testimony against him? How would the judge likely rule, and why? Please write out an answer before reading further… This is a typical exam question in law school, because it has a twist. You are led down the primrose path of Trammel and are invited to explain how the drug-making husband can’t escape justice so easily, that the rationale for the marital privilege is weak, and the demands of truth and justice are strong, such that the Supreme Court vested the privilege in the witness-spouse alone, so her “voluntary testimony,” as the facts say, should be admitted over her husband’s objection. But notice this hypothetical concerns one-on-one, confidential marital communication, pillow talk, which is privileged according to Blau vs. US, as stated explicitly in Trammel. So, the material facts are controlled by Blau and not by Trammel. So, the wife’s testimony should be excluded by the judge as inadmissible. This shows how tricky law-school exams can be. They often hinge on one missing material fact. The key to not being fooled was to picture other people in the room when you read about non-confidential, marital communications in Trammel, and to imagine one-on-one pillow talk as confidential and still privileged. As you read cases, statutes, rules of civil procedure, and rules of evidence, it’s good to imagine how you might use that particular law on behalf of a client in a hypothetical case. You are trying to go from general rule to concrete instance, easing that pathway in your mind. It will make it easier to do the reverse when a client comes in and tells you all about her case." From the printed text of this speech: www.stephen-doty.com/how-law-school-orientation-broke-my-heart/
Undergrad in C.J., law school bound. Let’s talk about this: Law school is not designed for us lower income individuals. I come from a family that made under $50k a year. My father couldn’t afford to put me through undergrad so I had to choose a public 2-year college that offered a four year degree that my Pell grant would cover in full. I am also living independently and working full time, 35-40 hours a week. What am I to do when I get to law school and I am restricted to only being able to work no more than 25 hours a week (Georgia State Col. of Law rule)? How am I going to pay my bills while paying back my $75k student loan? Henceforth why I chose GA State, because their law degree is only $17k a semester. Hypothetically, there is no way for me to do this since I’m working full time now and can hardly make ends meet. Once we combine that with a near 50% hour reduction, there would be no way.
This video popped up in my recommends after I just finished my last class of law school haha. It was quite the ride. Idk why they tell you the procedural posture of a case is important it rarely ever actually was important in a case
I wish we had teachers like this in India. These people have such a strong hold of the topic they're talking about and they seem to be satisfied/happy with their teaching job. In India you will not find either of those qualities in teachers because they are underpaid. Keep in mind that UVA Law isn't a top law school to begin with, and yet the quality of these techers is inspiring. I can't imagine how better the teaching is in the law schools at the top.
Undergrad teaches you how to memorize and regurgitate. Law school teaches you how to think, analyze and resolve problems. You will forever see the world differently, and let me say, I loved every single minute of it.
The debts as well I'm sure.
Lol okay
You obviously didn’t do 1L during a global pandemic..............
You obviously got shafted in undergrad.
@Perry Golston lol the law IS systemic racism, so no.
This is a HUGE benefit. I attended law school about a decade ago and failed the bar exam. I am back to study for the bar and I must say, this lecture validates that I want to and shall make a go for it again. Thank you very much!
did you pass it your second time?
I know people that took the Bar 5 times then passed
I’m considering taking law school and I’m probably gonna have to be taking the bar exam over and over again
@@flyfish2562 thsi was very negative and you know it. law must be a passion for them if they’re still attempting over a decade later. non-traditional applicants are VERY common and don’t need anymore added on stigma nor judgement.
@@ariannabrown787 Don’t be delusional. If someone has left law school and is literally trying to pass the bar 10 flipping years later, the outlook doesn’t look good. Would you have preferred that I blow smoke up this persons arse and say… “No worries, your bound to ACE this! Ten years later?!!!” Do you have any idea how ridiculous that sounds??? The truth is that for law students who leave law school right after and go take the bar it is extremely difficult!!! Let alone for someone who has been out of school and has forgot everything they learned in the first two years of law school like, torts, contracts, constitutional law?!!! Now, if you want to tutor this young person… by all means. But don’t be stupid and tell me that I’m being negative, by giving them a dose of reality. Truth is if they reallllllly wanted to be a lawyer, they would have passed it within years of finishing law school, not ten years after leaving, losing all brain cells, and thinking it would be and easy thing to pass. 🤦🏽♀️
12 mins in and this makes me not scared about lectures, this makes me want to do it. Looks exciting! :D
Keep that energy.
I've wanted to go into law since I was a kid. Early college was borderline disastrous, and then I enlisted on a "legal/admin option", but the USMC was phasing out their involvement in JAG. Afterward I'd left active duty I should have remembered my dream, but was dealing with reintegration into non-military society.
All that to say, I have some classes I want to redo from my early years of my degree (only 4 or 5), and then I'm going for law school like I've wanted.
This "socratic method" structure of things was implemented by a professor or two of mine, with the exception of only calling someone specifically unless no one volunteered. Those were my best classes, hands down. That's my style of learning. I hate lectures mainly because I can't tell, sometimes, what's important to the professor, versus what I think is important. But this makes me wish I lived anywhere near VA, just for this school.
Did you go?
You like the idea of being picked on? Ok then
This lecturer is a liar. I never cease to be amazed by liars in the legal profession who do not tell their clients/students that all persons are deceased in law. This means they are entities that exist only on paper and are created by the state. So how is a living wo/man ever a dead entity ? Only by trickery and fraud of the legal profession. This is done so they can raid your trust estate. This is why you are told to "represent" your self in court rather than to present yourself.
First professor on first day of law school told us "Law and logic have nothing in common".
Discouraging but entirely correct.
Especially since politicians are mostly lawyers.
Yes indeed, Law and Magic have nothing in common. Next! Trust No One.
And I cannot stress enough, TRUST No One.
Lawyers should be banned from holding office. In my humble opinion.
@@stevecarrier6161 that was the original 13 amendment
Well it depends on what school of thought you are. If you separate law as an isolated study difer and independet from other study, yes that proposition is correct. But law isnt SUPPOSED to be like that.
Not even a law student and here I am… fully intrigued 😭
Lol... me too
Same 😂
Same
Ain’t AI gonna replace lawyers?
Wow..I'm not by myself..lol. What are we gonna do!
I love her. I love how she explains things. You can see how much passion she has and this only motivates me more to study law.
The Socrates method is great because it keeps the students actively participating in class and since you don't know if the professor will call on you on a particular case, you must always be prepared for class.
A very good presentation.
The classes I had that used it, or a similar approach, working on my bachelor's were my favorite, and surprising to myself, were where I did the best.
Really
Hello 🥰👋
The Socratic method is great because it's objectively true in all cases without exception.
I love being able to watch videos like this from one of the top Law schools! Gives me insight into law school - as I do hope to attend law school one day.
did you?!
I wish to see law school books from american schools and to attend few classes. I am third year student of law in Europe. For me, law is a breeze. I dont struggle with it at all. But I see in US they hype law so hard.
Now, I know Americans arent the smartest people out there but I am wondering if its really that hard.
@@yenisketches6047 can't compare apples to oranges.
@@quyen8059 Well, no. But at my uni, we study Common and Anglo-saxon law, american constitutional law, our constitutional law, we go in details of pretty much everything.
Americans cry about law being so difficult and hard to learn. For me, its so easy, I “soak up” law easily. Except financies. That i cannot.
@@yenisketches6047 it’s hard. trust me. lol.
My father was a cop his whole life, age 21 until he turned 65. I find the law interesting, was a great subject to learn, I love it, sadly when my father was asked to be sheriff, they discovered he had terminal cancer and I gave up school to care for him. Learning helps, tho I cannot make it a profession at my age. But I can infuse it to my grandkids ears..... Thank you for these videos and the time you dedicate!.
Its never too late to study law. But yes, passing it down is the best thing you can do!
My father was also a police officer who died of cancer.
p.s. He HATED lawyers.
With this kind of passion I would say Yes, you can do it! Please, go for it!
I’m 30 and I’m starting my pre law next month
You can look into colleges such as Phoenix university which has the option to take all your courses online. You get to learn and graduate and not miss a beat. best of luck dont give up ♥️
Idk what I’m getting into going to law school but what I do know is, I love learning about law. Currently in my 3rd year for pre law. Graduating in spring 2025! Wish me luck :’)
Good luck!
Goodluckkkk I'll be joining you in a couple of years
Good luck you got this. I am proud of you.
I’m 27 and planning to go back and finish my undergrad after having come to the realization that I hate chemistry and math and love politics and law. Hope to go to law school in the near future. This was so encouraging and inspiring and I was glued the entire time
So did u do it
I’m waiting to find out if I was accepted at law school here in the U.K. and I’m really grateful for these uploads! Yes, our law is different but I think these lectures help to get into the mindset. Thank you!
Good luck
Wich uni ??
If you get into Oxford or Cambridge ure guaranteed a top a career, any other uni and you would be up against competition
❤️❤️❤️😍😍😍😍😉
U.T. I'll put you up, both study!! gjt
I‘m lawyer working difficult situations in Mogadishu, Somalia but proud to be lawyer and working for my people 🇸🇴
Yes.
is it hard to be in law school??
@@sevirouskarius9791 yes. But, grind on and forget about it once you pass the bar.
I'm man working difficult situations at McDonald's in America. Proud to be greasy.
MashALlah abowe!! I was in Mogadishu 3 years ago myself, plan to study law in the US.
I graduated UVa Law in 1980. This makes me fantasize about doing it all again. Loved it.
This group graduated last year 2019......
4 years ago.
Not all of them unfortunately
Man...they had it easy graduating a year before the world got sick
Ain’t AI gonna replace lawyers?
@@godlikelawnaaaaaaaaaaaaa
I’m extremely grateful to UVA for posting these fantastic lectures 🙌
Even if you your not @ graduate law school it will not hinder you to think like a lawyer...self study and determination will not stop you from learning.
That is how a lot of lawyers became lawyers, in the olden days..
The Socratic method is truly the method that teaches you how to think like a lawyer . I don’t believe this can be self taught . Just my opinion, but I have been an attorney for 30 yrs .
Facts
I’m extremely grateful to UVA for posting these fantastic lectures . I’m extremely grateful to UVA for posting these fantastic lectures .
I.R.A.C. = Issue. Rule. Analysis. Conclusion. This will help with fine tuning your brief with clarity and being concise. Work in small groups. Law school is not a solo sport. Good luck.
The things I took to heart was the advice given during the Q&A.
[1] focus on your stress level
[2] understand when you're most productive
Everyone has heard the saying that we should treat law school like a job but seldom does anyone truly follow that saying. Most will still study an abnormal amount of hours and neglect basic sleep, nutrition, and a social life.
To put it into perspective, if you were at work and one of your coworkers told you all he did everyday was pull all nighters, had no social life, and ate nothing but Doritos, you would be very disappointed in him. In the short run, they can get a solid [A] on the midterm but by the end of the year, if they're lucky to last that long, the amount of stress that'll pile up could result in worse grades, burnout, and even worse, you could end up dropping out completely because you hate the law school life style that you created for yourself that you mistakenly attributed to law school as a whole.
Everyone is guilty of saying [ I studied 8 hours today] but realistically, we studied for 2 hours, surfed the web, and came back intermittently to our work, which by the end of the day, we probably studied 3 hours. Those 5 hours could have been used to take a nap or go for a walk, could have extended the study time for an extra 3 hours if utilized correctly.
I love this woman. Went to YLS from 1979-1972. This is so user-friendly. Trying to get students off on a sensible path, not trip them up. No such overview back in the day.
Hello 🥰👋
How did you travel back in time?
When I was in law school, I found it very challenging answering questions relating to real property. Depending on the subject, the socratic method could be very intimidating.
I couldn’t agree more. I had a hard time too.
Yeah, contract formation, breach, and remedies weren't challenging to me. Present and Future Interest as well as RAP, however, were extremely difficult to grasp in real property. What a difficult subject real property is.
I love you
@@renatalove5212 Tweakin
I love her style of teaching.
You law .???
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I will be attending law school shortly in the next month. This introduction video is useful in reference, to what I can expect from my first year in law school. Along with mentioning some guidance and helpful tips/tricks to proactively apply to case readings, first year studying, to do or not to do etc,. I would love to see updated videos, perhaps even lectures to further get an understanding of law school. Thank you for sharing!
Uneeka Peters You are making a huge mistake.
Hello Stephen! Could you please explain what I may be making a huge mistake about?
Uneeka Peters Are you american? how did you get into the law university??
How are you doing so far?
How did your first year go??
Prof. Geis is such an awesome professor. I have him for some bar prep courses and have listened to his Great Courses Contracts course. Just top notch, great to see him popping up here!
I really enjoyed this video. I'm not an attorney, but as a labor relations specialist, I am reading cases often and applying the cases to my work and also educating others. I found this helpful in explaining rulings to other specialists.
Hello 🥰👋
When you read cases, you will need to learn "legalese" and read it from the "legal paradigm" that is often "disagreeable" to the normal people who do not understand it. the ONLY way to "interpret" legal decisions is with a "legal paradigm" in "legalese."
"law school is not like college" and i thought i had it hard as an undergrad..
timmy turner
same here aha
timmy turner
timmy turner except that in most countries law is studied as an undergrad program
Timmy turner make a wish
And those lost causes belong in the state governments.
I've been considering going into Law School once I can go to college. I think its something I would excel in. Though I am also considering more creative paths like writing, where there would be less pressure and it would cost less money. I still have a few years before I have to make any decisions so, for now, I'll just learn as much as I can! Learning is fun and its a good pass time.
what have you decided
I understand that in Law school you are taught to act and think like a Lawyer, you are taught to analyze, understand and resolve problems, l love it, believe me.
I just watched the entire thing and listened diligently. Here's what I find most interesting: the dude with the glasses says he isn't an out of the box thinker. BUT. If you listen to him. And how he approaches things and describes those approaches. You can tell that he is VERY VERY creative. And very much an out of the box thinker. And a total joy and pleasure to listen to. I really enjoyed it.
I'm Brazilian, I work with carpentry, bricklayer, hydraulics, and I'm a barber I want to leave Brazil, go to the USA, but the visa is difficult, so if I get hired with a work visa, I'm married 49 years old, and very creative, I don't care how I go to work, cleaning, doorman, sealer, anything I do do, thanks and a hug.
I've never been to college, never thought about going to college, definitely never thought about going to law school. Yet here I am watching an introduction to first year law students solely because it was in my recommended.
I went to medical school and I am watching this yearning for this classroom
please upload some class room lectures
You can find lots of lectures in our Inside the Classroom playlist on our channel at ua-cam.com/play/PLyagxpuyj4AcEqbazTb6UgkvBC-OH3RHH.html.
Do you guys offer any opencourseware/class notes/syllabuses/exams? I would love to learn about the courses-- thanks!
THANK YOU
The sound was recorded with a mic mounted in the camera across the room from the prof. Therefore, the prof's words seem distant and difficult to understand. The sound would've been much clearer recorded from a mic mounted on the podium. (FYI, this is Audio 101.)
@@audiaudio9 they're lawyers.
I remember reading “Abe Lincoln’s Hat” when I was a kid. That was when I first decided that I wanted to be a lawyer. September of 2023 I am attending law school in England straight out of highschool. Wish me luck!
Blessings and favor wisdom discernment to you as you pursue this profession!🙏
I like school. You can learn a lot of good things. I think these guys and girls are smart to go to school.
Keep it up guys! You can do it!
I found my interest in law quite late and this video is amazing and full of knowledge. Thank you
How late if you don’t mind me asking.....I’m currently 31 and i probably won’t get my degree until 35-36
@@jaegill5361 me 26 and i am in another degree .
I don't think it's ever too late 🖤🖤
Our life expectancy is around 80 years. If you're willing to work doing something else then do it; but realize that 50 years is what stands between you and death. 50 years dedicated to something you're interested in contrasted with 50 years of something you cannot stand seems like a simple proposition.
The subjective nature of law school is one of the things that appeals to me most. In a way its an applied philosophy class.
I don't find regular college to be engaging or what I care about. 90% of the information is memorize to brain dump the material after exams. Law school seems to be a completely different structure altogether.
i'm only 14 who has a dream of being a lawyer one day and this really helped me understand some details of what being a lawyer is like
I’m turning 15 in a couple of months and considering law school because It seems cool but I have no idea what I’ll major in if I go to college.
I'm an Australian law student and I want Professor Shadel as my lecturer!
Sarah Bell same here hopefullyi get into Monash University
Sarah Bell me too she articulates well
Sarah Bell and professor toby 😂
@Guy Dunning Jr. ok so what's your points?
Not me.
I’m 14 and in 8th grade but it’s always good to get a head start on being a lawyer
14 and if you watched this and not an influencer I'd say you're well on your way to going places!
SAMEEEEE
@@syirahumaimai3422 🤣
There's merit to science, math, and engineering courses (and degrees) when it comes to handling the work load and approach of law school, so I've heard. Don't take the easy road toward law school; challenge yourself now and along the way and you'll be grateful for it later.
lol same I'm currently deciding what I want to do when I start high school
I am currently in middle school,and I am interested in practicing law, and I wanted to learn about some stuff, school wise, and this is extremely informative and helpful, it made it less intimidating, still very, but more inviting.
Get yourself a black laws dictionary ;)
Hello 🥰👋
Thank you very much for this! I feel a lot better after watching this! This is super relatable and resourceful, I'm sure, for any other law freshmen who are in the same shoes as me. All the best to everyone who's starting law school! You got this. You are there for a reason. It's meant for you, trust me. You are the chosen one, you should feel proud of yourself! 👊❤
I'm still some years away from even applying, and yet I'm hyped more with each video and presentation on it. It's a life-long dream, and I'll get there one day.
@@Just_Call_Me_Tim That's amazing! I wish your dream comes true. For sure, it's not easy but with determination, persistence and consistency, nothing is impossible. All the best for your journey! 🙌🏻
19:00 reading/highlighting a case to make it easier(briefing a case)
I will be a law student soon, InshaAllah and will become a great lawyer🙏🙏
022521
Enrolled in a Law school 😄. Alhamdulillah Alhamdulillah. Gettin there InshaAllah. Ameen
Amen to both of us
Wish you all the best 👌🏼
@Guy Dunning Jr. bro she ain't even in law school yet, and I doubt she has, can, or would have wanted to go to the place which taught you your truth.
Remember the ones who know only know because someone trained them (most likely not their parents) or they got jammed up in a violate your rights type of jam.
PS you seem like a sov cit.
@Guy Dunning Jr. I'm not here to rebuttal you just questions, I Accept for Value everything you said Guy Dunning Jr. question(s);
If one is a king without subjects would he be sovereign still? (yes)
If one is a king wouldn't he be a citizen of his own kingdom? (yes)
It may be an oxymoron but they exist lawfully too. As a matter of fact aren't we all American citizens? (Yes) Though some of us have duel citizenship in the United States too. Those of us without duel citizenship, just American aren't they naturally born sovereign? (yes) So if you answer that you'll get the term sovereign citizen that has been coined a terrorist group to the u.s. government corporation by the u.s. government corporation, for the purposes of deterring American people from the truth about the 2 United States on this land mass.
Life is an oxymoron bro. But I know why you said it.
I Am honestly not disagreeing with you, I Am trying to let you see what you look like to those who don't know and those who do. One of those sov cit, type lol.
Let me ask you a question,
You asked why is my name "fraudulently" all capitals.
My answer is how does one interface with government?
They give us an artificial person or corporation(s) at birth. Same name all caps. You actually get 2 one your parents made and gave away, then they went and got a "number" thinking it was for the 1st all caps estate but it is actually a whole separate corporation, same name also all caps. The first was the interface Corp in general so to speak, the second was the steal your rights for privileges and become my property Corp so to speak. Truthfully if they used right you keep all your Rights and get some benefits too.
Why do American sovereigns have duel citizenship, or are (in possession of) 2 different titles of disenfranchisement and give up their sovereignty for privileges?
Lack of knowledge destroys people and puts them into slavery.
Yes the United States only has employees who are corporations with privileges and not Rights, and they are owned by the United States but it's not they fault we don't know the law, they are a corporation they are in the business of profit, also you don't have to exchange your rights for their benefits. People choose to and it really is not the job of the government to teach us the truth, their job is to protect the United eState(s) of Americans. Maybe not giving full disclosure is fraudulent lol.
And last
Why does the government let them
Give up their rights unknowingly? Who is a public servant to tell a sovereign what to do... Nothing at all, and how would the person claiming to be sovereign prove themselves?
By knowing how his kingdom operates, this really is the root of the problem it seems like you trying to awaken these people to, they don't know how their kingdom works and are mad cause the servants choose not to tell them and so they call it fraud. Then when people in their corporate capacity tries to interface with the government and do it like an "enemy of the State" would then why should they believe you're (still) sovereign?
Answering your questions nope I wasn't content so I learned the truth. Now I know, why it is this way and how to operate in and out these corporations. I ain't defending them but the evil is not them and their operations as much as it's ours. Because we don't study the truth and take people at their word as long as they look professional etc., we could easily stop all the lies if everyone took responsibility for THEIR government as it was and remains our creation.
Peace king, hope you perceive what I Am conveying to you.
PS. Don't look at the government all negatively like maybe they ain't doing any thing wrong lol.
Yeah good luck with your projection
That ONE GUY who coughed at EVERY SINGLE IMPORTANT MOMENT. Arrrrgghhhh!
Thanks. Learning about it and feeling encouraged. Tell professor on the right not cough in front of the mic.
Wow! I’m an undergraduate student studying criminal law. This school looks like a dream! I love the professor's enthusiasm. I would love to attend a law school like this!
Law of Science Contract Law Case Analysis!!!!Great Teaching!!!
The vast majority of the comments of this video are either: conspiracy theorists hating the law and government, people who cant afford this school calling it a ripoff and maybe one or two interesting comments talking about opinions on the mentioned case in the lecture.
(Please dont waste your time reading them like I did)
Or, people like me actually read the constitution and understood it and how certain aspects have been illegally disregarded.
Or people like me, too retarded for law school, I went over president Lincoln's suspension of habeas corpus during the civil war several times until I started to see or think how that might relate to todays counter terrorism mission.
They're not conspiracies, if you have money and power the system is in your favor as is the case in any capitalist country.
@@phantomofoaktown it’s still in effect. Lincoln was bought and paid for by bankers. The other guy didn’t stand a chance.
They probably ran out of neurons! 😂
Thank you, thank you, thank you! I'll be starting law school this fall and I needed to see this.
I find it very funny that law schools watch Legally Blonde(Which is a fantastic film), and are changing how they treat their students. I'm guessing alot of people were like,"Do law school professors really behave that way to students by making them cry, or kicking them out if they aren't prepared?" Nice to see law schools actually learned something from Legally Blonde. Keep it up, law schools.👍🏼❤
I love this! I have a bachelor in Education and am starting Law next semester. Already intrigued and ready to learn more!
I tried to represent myself in court in a criminal case. I went to jail for two weeks for a mental eval.. just to get the “eval” minutes before my case two weeks later. Took the original plea to get out of jail the next day. this was about 8 years ago in Baltimore city. Lol I should have just went to law school.
I had no idea what I was doing even though I swore I did! I learned to write and argue motions! And some procedures but I didn’t really understand how the system worked. Good times good times
0:00 first chap, how to study case?
27:36 second chap, contract law/ agreement.
54:09 Will be asked to apply to different situation.
1:23:36 Questions part
TYSM!!! was searching for smth like this for so long 😭
@WHYISEVERYHANDLEALREADYTAKEN9 Glad to know :)
The Socratic method sounds like my actual worst nightmare.
I think it sounds amazing, I haven’t started law school of even my second year of college but I would much rather prefer teachers asking YOU the questions and making sure YOU and everyone else understand what’s happening. Instead of lecturing you for 2+ hours and then only knowing if the kid needs help when he’s failing
BTW That Reading part applies to everything you read.
It was my dream to study law but unfortunately due to unavoidable circumstances I couldn't get the opportunity. However, I still believe that my dream of becoming a lawyer is just a deferred dream which I must fulfill. I pray day and night that God may help me achieve my dream!
Don’t ever give up! Having a dream is beautiful don’t ever stop fighting and believing in it. Sending you strength and positive thoughts
Im 14 and i really wanna go to law school and this is just crazy i love this❤
Its easier to fool people than to convince them they are being fooled....
Aint that the thruth
Facts!
And there are no facts in 'Colour of law '
who is fooling who?
MAGA 2020!
wait, no, I mean..
KAG 2020!
lol
Love this video! Just started 1L!! Will come back in 4 years and let you know how the journey went!
Awesome! How’s it going?
Interesting discussion. She left out a very important point: How much money will it take to convince the judge to see things your way.
not me watching this during my last year of law school to convince myself that I still enjoy it 😩😩😩
Love how when one of the presenters made the analogy that exams are similar to the RC section of the LSAT there was collective gasps and groans lmao
This has been EXTREMELY helpful. Bravo to these professors!
I would argue in defense of Zehmer that there were two contracts drafted, the reason for the second being that the first was invalid. The first was invalid because the wife did not explicitly agree to and sign the contract. If the wife was misled into signing a contract which was factually misrepresented to her, is the second contract not just as invalid as the first?
Ken Tsuchida Exactly what i was thinking, but then again I’m a lawyer lol
I thought the same as long as she was co-owner she was misled. The timing is suspiciously not business like. Prior refusals. Appraisal difference? Plus if you can be bound during intoxication why not duress. Whole thing stinks.
Yeah. In case any young lawyers are watching this, you will learn to "think" like a lawyer in law school. But law school does nothing to prepare you to practice. You get a fair understanding of the law studying for the bar exam. Where the magic happens is when you get your first legal job. The first morning of the first day as a prosecutor, my trial partner showed me a box full of files and said, "You have a dui trial at 9." It was then I realized how little law school prepared me to practice law. Like so many clubs, law school is just a three year hazing.
Thank you , very helpful for journalists covering the courts - we have to think like lawyers, hoping lawyers will think a little more like journalists, helps improve the storytelling.
Hello
@@kennethpaul2276 Buggin x2
It was alot I retained in this lecture, the Bar exam being 200 questions really stuck out to me. Sounds like a crow bar lol The scantron must be gargantuinm I'm satisfied with my paralegal certificate for now
Ask for help sooner then Later!!!!! ALSO KNOW YOUR STUDENTS THAT TRY AND GET THINGS DONE!!!!! YOU HELP THEM!!!
Even as a citizen, this is very beneficial knowledge. Thanks for imparting your domain
thats great and usefull ,ihope that one day i,would going to prepare my phd in the University of virginie
I would go (not)I would going
I guess I just spent my introduction to law by attending The University of Virginia's introduction to law...it counts thanks you....!
Well, this lecture got a lot more interesting at 18 minutes..
I'm a 2L law student in Indonesia and I got so many input from this sharing. Thank you so much UOV! 🙏🏽
June 15, 2018: Thanks so much for this video! *A glad heart makes a cheerful face, but by sorrow of heart the spirit is crushed. Proverbs 15:13; and 2) Do your best to present yourself to God as one approved, a worker who does not need to be ashamed and who correctly handles the word of truth. 2 Timothy 2:15
Katrina McIntyre amen
That’s a hard thing, the latter.
Free rent for law students. East Tennessee..
12 minutes in a lecture is exciting when to learn the profession of law in terms of 6 sectors of getting a prism axis to be a correctional attitude of latitude.
Wish I’d seen this eight months ago.
Shoutout to anyone else who did 1L during covid.
JUST BECAUSE YOU DID IT DOESN'T MEAN YOU'RE GUILTY
my first time to watch the lecture of law school from beijing china where youtube was walled .thanx 4 sharing
Just incredible that the naval-gazing and self-importance starts in the very first minute of this video, while puffing out and clapping for themselves getting into "one of the best law schools in the country"
yeah man fuck anybody who’s proud of their accomplishments
I guess "meeting of the minds" really means, as far as could reasonably be determined from outward appearances. Makes sense, for the policy problem of evading a contract by lying about your not meaning it, but important distinction.
First day, when I enter into law class, my teacher give assignment to " think like a lawyer".it sound like a normal but after I found it and I do as a lawyer do, myself is like a lawyer even I'm a student.
22:40 taking the facts and putting in a form
"If I let myself do anything other than get up and start reading, I will find a way to waste two hours of time."
Came here to learn law, but learned more about myself in the process.
6:14 (facts of the case/what to look for)
Wow. A lot.
hi guys.who is joining law school this year and doing everything they can to learn more about it before joining school like me?
hope it's going well!
Given, studying is a matter of being up for it... We can even study triple major, if we are willing....
Truth.
Doing law in the UK and I wish they did the Socratic method. All law is studied in a 3 year undergrad degree with a legal practice course that is one year. I already have an undergrad degree from an American University so I have done what is called a conversion course that is essentially the three years in one for postgrad and that the practice course. I so wish I had attended law school in the states. It appears to be so much more complete and the students have a few more life skills having done an undergrad first.
Hello 🥰👋.l
From another introduction to law school online: "The essence of legal thinking goes largely unmentioned in law school. Professors typically stay on safe ground, avoid theory, and talk about the nuts and bolts of each case. But the main faculty of mind in thinking-like-a-lawyer is the ability to see some concrete facts behind a given rule and then the rule in a different set of concrete facts. As we saw in J’Aire, the rule regarding negligent interference with prospective economic advantage requires imagination to go from its categorical (material) facts to a concrete situation in which it applies, and imagination to go the other direction. That’s why the restaurant owner initially missed the significance of the case of the negligent notary. It’s hard to see how the six, general factors that determine a relationship between one person and another, sufficient for a legal duty in tort, in Biakanja, also fit the example of renovating a restaurant. If people don’t see through two-dimensional rules to the third dimension of reality beyond it, when studying law, how can they later see the rule in the facts of life? Students are often puzzled by the facts in an essay question, unsure which rules apply. Imagine what the restaurant owner’s lawyer in J’Aire may have thought to himself:
I’m not looking simply at a restaurant owner here,[90] but at her role as a tenant and a third-party beneficiary of a contract between her landlord, the county, and a contractor, Gregory. And the very nature of the contractor’s activity seems to create a duty at law, in tort, because it’s obvious that if his work is done badly, the restaurant owner will suffer a financial loss, just as the sister did in Biakanja when the notary botched her brother’s simple will, knowing damn well her future fortune depended on him making a will that would stick.
The process is called “issue-spotting” in law school, but it remains mysterious to some students. It is essentially seeing a rule’s categories amid specific instances of them. By analogy, in math, students don’t stare blankly at a 3-4-5 triangle, but know it has a right angle, illustrates the Pythagorean Theorem, etc. Taking practice tests in law school will sharpen your ability to see legal rules in the facts of everyday life,[91] which is necessary to get A’s on tests.
Footnote #90: One common pitfall in legal research to avoid is thinking a concrete fact, such as a butter churn, is unique and serves as a legal category, when it doesn’t, so you miss the applicable general rule, such as the law of bailments, which probably applied in this anecdote by Holmes: “There is a story of a Vermont justice of the peace before whom a suit was brought by one farmer against another for breaking a churn. The justice took time to consider, and then said that he has looked through the statutes and could find nothing about churns, and gave judgment for the defendant.“ Holmes, “Path of the Law,” 16, in link: moglen.law.columbia.edu/LCS/palaw.pdf. If you ever get stuck during legal research, ask yourself, “Is this a churn problem? Am I dwelling on specific facts and missing the broader legal categories?”
Footnote #91: Why was Brandeis so focused on the facts? He said, “No law, written or unwritten, can be understood without a full knowledge of the facts out of which it arises, and to which it is to be applied.” Louis Brandeis, The Living Law, 10 Illinois Law Review 461, at 467 (1915-6). Maybe that’s one reason he did so well in law school.
Llewellyn’s digest is the road to B’s or C’s. The essay questions will trip you up. Imagine if you were given this essay question after reading the cases above:
A high-school chemistry teacher is desperate for money and makes some meth in his basement. One night at home, he and his wife discuss a get-rich-quick scheme. She will sell the drugs that he makes while she tends bar on the weekends. After engaging in their business for several weeks, one night she sells to an undercover cop, gets arrested, and charged with drug dealing. When questioned, she says her husband was the criminal mastermind, and she will gladly testify to that to get immunity. When he is tried for conspiracy to sell drugs, what objection might his lawyer make to his wife’s voluntary testimony against him? How would the judge likely rule, and why?
Please write out an answer before reading further… This is a typical exam question in law school, because it has a twist. You are led down the primrose path of Trammel and are invited to explain how the drug-making husband can’t escape justice so easily, that the rationale for the marital privilege is weak, and the demands of truth and justice are strong, such that the Supreme Court vested the privilege in the witness-spouse alone, so her “voluntary testimony,” as the facts say, should be admitted over her husband’s objection. But notice this hypothetical concerns one-on-one, confidential marital communication, pillow talk, which is privileged according to Blau vs. US, as stated explicitly in Trammel. So, the material facts are controlled by Blau and not by Trammel. So, the wife’s testimony should be excluded by the judge as inadmissible. This shows how tricky law-school exams can be. They often hinge on one missing material fact. The key to not being fooled was to picture other people in the room when you read about non-confidential, marital communications in Trammel, and to imagine one-on-one pillow talk as confidential and still privileged.
As you read cases, statutes, rules of civil procedure, and rules of evidence, it’s good to imagine how you might use that particular law on behalf of a client in a hypothetical case. You are trying to go from general rule to concrete instance, easing that pathway in your mind. It will make it easier to do the reverse when a client comes in and tells you all about her case."
From the printed text of this speech: www.stephen-doty.com/how-law-school-orientation-broke-my-heart/
Undergrad in C.J., law school bound.
Let’s talk about this: Law school is not designed for us lower income individuals. I come from a family that made under $50k a year. My father couldn’t afford to put me through undergrad so I had to choose a public 2-year college that offered a four year degree that my Pell grant would cover in full. I am also living independently and working full time, 35-40 hours a week. What am I to do when I get to law school and I am restricted to only being able to work no more than 25 hours a week (Georgia State Col. of Law rule)? How am I going to pay my bills while paying back my $75k student loan? Henceforth why I chose GA State, because their law degree is only $17k a semester. Hypothetically, there is no way for me to do this since I’m working full time now and can hardly make ends meet. Once we combine that with a near 50% hour reduction, there would be no way.
This video was extremely helpful
This video popped up in my recommends after I just finished my last class of law school haha. It was quite the ride. Idk why they tell you the procedural posture of a case is important it rarely ever actually was important in a case
I really want to do law 😊it's my dream hopefully when I'm a lawyer I can come back and see this comment 🙂.
The holding of a case includes the underlying principle or line of reasoning.
Excellent lecture. I assume. I'm just starting out in law, so I honestly have no idea if this was any good :-p
I wish we had teachers like this in India. These people have such a strong hold of the topic they're talking about and they seem to be satisfied/happy with their teaching job. In India you will not find either of those qualities in teachers because they are underpaid. Keep in mind that UVA Law isn't a top law school to begin with, and yet the quality of these techers is inspiring. I can't imagine how better the teaching is in the law schools at the top.
UVA is one of the most prestigious law schools in the country
If law school wasn’t so expensive this sounds like a fun class to take.
Thank you for sharing. I'm grateful for the insights.
Gosh i was thinking about law school, but i remember sleeping in class with this long talking lecture. Well maybe law not for me after all
For me I like it but i dont understand more
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