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I absolutely hated Mandalorian S3, but I still find it hilarious how first Mando completely takes over another show, and then has his own show taken over by a different character. It's such a glorious act of self-sabotage I can't help being utterly fascinated by it.
It's to be expected with Disney. Thor was replaced with Mighty Thor. Iron Man was replaced with Iron Heart Captain America was replaced with Captain Falcon Mando was replaced with Bo Katana. Ashoka was replaced with Sabine. Boba Fett was replaced with whatever the hell that Tusken Lover imposter was.. That is the way. Subversion.
@@amandahuginkys7878 Even Doctor Strange was sidelined by Scarlet Witch in his movie. Somehow Disney is mortaly scared of making the character in the title the main character of their movie/show.
@@EskChan19 This "subversion" theme they keep chugging along with, least imo, showing abysmally diminished returns. Why can't they just make a good product? If profits aren't coming forth, yet they continue to hold the line, then profits aren't the goal. It must be, THE MESSAGE. And if that is indeed their goal, then let them burn to ashes; for nothing shall be lost with their absence.
Season 1 of the Mandalorian made me say: "Give the keys of Star Wars to Filoni and watch him print money" season 3 and The Book of Bobba Tea made me go: "Take the keys, he's drunk"
Season 4 (Like that's ever going to happened) is probably going to be like: "Fuck it he somehow got the keys back but is in jail for driving under the influence and vehicular manslaughter so let him stay there."
What? It's not accurate at all, no moon is that massive. Really,a "celestial" body like Lizzo's would put that dumbass Death Planet from episode 7 to shame
The fact that this show and Andor exist in the same IP is shocking. On one hand, you have Stellan Skarsgård delivering a monologue about his personal sacrifice, turning himself into a monster to fight the Empire, and on the other you have Queen President Dictator Lizzo knighting a puppet. Ugh.
"I miss the the idea of Star Wars, but I hate the truth of it." The Mandolorian is filled with with great ideas, a lonely bounty Hunter finds a magic sword that gives him sovereignty over his people. Then unifies the disparate clans and leads them back to their homeworld. Sounds like a kick ass story, but no we got this hot pile of garbage.
Nah man we better get the same exact woman who failed twice before to lead again. She has “Royal blood” you see. Who’d want to see a foundling Mandalorian rising to leadership and dealing with all the issues that come up? That’d be so boring!! /s
@@AdamCordova_26Yeah guess your right who wants to watch a bounty hunter who fights only for cash learn to fight for a cause larger than himself. Then after a watery tart throws him a lightsaber he has to step up to plate, learns responsibility and become the leader he was always meant to be
Even with all its problems in season 2, I was still on board with Mando, *if* that was the direction they were going to go in. Book of Bobby Fatt disabused me of any notion that Kennedy's fuhrerbunker knows or cares about good storytelling. Or, much of anything else, it seems.
Isn't it hilarious that the villain in the Mandalorian wants to acquire force powers through Grogu, while in Ahsoka it is shown that anyone can gain force powers if they try hard enough. Guess Gideon just wasn't determined enough when he tried moving things with his mind...
That last Ahsoka episode seemed to be trying to confuse that ‘anyone can use the force’ nonsense by saying the real reason Ahsoka stopped training Sabine was because she was afraid she was training for the wrong reasons (her anger over the Mandalorian Massacre), and Ahsoka was afraid she’d be too powerful. Maybe I misread it but that’s what that conversation between Huyang and Ezra seemed to be implying: secretly powerful all along and only held back by Ashoka’s purposefully instilled doubt.
It really depends. Considering how few Jedi there were relative to the population you probably needed a 1 in a million to a 1 in a billion ability. Sabine might have a 1/1000 ability and still be far below the expectations for a Jedi. Gideon might have a completely average ability, or a 1 in 1000 where he doesn't have the Patience or training to foster a relatively weak connection to the force
@christinearmington who the fuck cares. She looked like a cheap whore and he acting was that if a high schooler. stoicism from all characters isn't character development neither is giving her powers just cause you want more jedi when it wasn't even done in a way we could all swallow it. This is the problem with their star wars is we have to sit here and convince ourselves this isn't hot garbage. I could have written a better show with the same parameters. We all could of. That's the problem to me. I'm just a minority tho so it doesn't really matter what I think. Just tired of lame brai. STar wars i want to think . Not to make excuses but to celebrate genius. Not eat Another McDonald's burger
Very good point about the "politics" complaint. People seem to overlook that the original Star Wars featured politics to flesh out the fairytale elements with something substantial; indeed, the film *begins* with politics. It's not just "good princess captured by evil empire", no, the good princess is part of the empire, using her Imperial position as cover for support of an insurrection; she and Vader, the Imperial enforcer, square off *politically*: "You've gone too far, you've attacked a diplomatic transport, the Senate won't tolerate this". "Don't give me that bullshit, I know you're a fifth column traitor". Politics. Additionally: most people would agree that the Death Star conference scene is a highlight -- that's entirely politics. Even the Vader strangle. That sequence is a member of a council of secular, fascist officers sneering at the guy dressed as one of the Knights Templar who keeps going on about how the Lord is the only true power.
Yes indeed. The difference in delivery is really perspective. The OT gives us glimpses of this galactic order (and even those couched in familiar real-world concepts), but doesn’t ever distract itself from plot and character. We learn the bare minimum required to understand place, but the story is personal much more than it is political. The prequels step up and back. It’s impersonal. It’s debatable whether the films even have protagonists in the traditional sense. They’re stories about a galaxy more than they are stories within the galaxy. That’s, off the bat, less compelling and relatable. Married to the failures in dialogue, decisions, basic logic, and unfortunately you’re left stranded outside the thing looking in. The intent was clearly to try and make it an epic tragedy in the Greek mould. The delivery was sorely lacking. But the intent is admirable and some of the ideas and concepts are great.
@@TheLittlePlatoon god Platoon.... even your comments on comments are far superior to disney writing, your awesome man, Im enjoying this video, thank you!
"What makes something fundamentally entertaining - is to have it speak the truth about something ... if not specifically diadectic, to approach interesting topics that give people a foothold to engage." -Hugh Monahan
@@burna2650 The politics in Andor are actually thrilling. That scene with Mon Mothma and her old flame where she talks about "how she's learned from Palpatine..." man...absolutely incredible.
I think the most disappointing thing about this season is the Darksaber. Mando used it, like, twice, no one ever REALLY explored the implications of it, and gave it to Bo Katan yet again
@@TheLittlePlatoonAdd to the Darksaber problems is Bo's personal Mando history with it... Bo has never won the Darksaber in combat. It's been given to her... Twice now. The first time she became a joke because it was taken from her. Hence when Djinn offered it to her she refused to take it because she 'needed' to defeat it's owner. And she couldn't defeat a man willing to give it away. Yet later she just takes it like she's learned feminism and discarded her personal principles that stopped her taking things in a way that would have repercussions... Since she's now being written as a Mary Sue who will never face the consequences of her actions.
I really hated the fact that armorer made a big deal about removing their helmets and then 2 episodes later makes an exception by having bokatan remove her helmet just because of this mythosaur sighting. I was like wtf ?
@@crownedgambit Yeah fully. They have these rules that are like the most important things ever & then nek minute are like 'oh yeah that doesn't matter anymore' 🤷♀
*It’s hilarious to think that, by Mandalorian rules, the Darksaber was (for a brief period of time) owned by the one-eyed cave monster.* Could the one-eyed cave monster have united the clans?
Well, if we want to take it further, that's wrong; wasn't even Din's or Gideon's in the first place. It's whoever gets credit for blowing up the second death star since Palpatine defeated Maul when the saber was his.
Thing is, Din Djarin wasn't even defeated in a duel with an enemy. He was caught in a booby trap by a lurking foe. Not in a fair duel. So Bo still didn't best an enemy Din failed to best, she went in with a warning about a danger he was unaware of. She hasn't earned the Dark Saber.
She also has lost it more than once... Din would've made sense, someome who wasn't destined to be great, but proved throughout the series his ability to make people unite like the Tuskens and tatooine people, in the quest lf just a place for grogu him then becoming a ruler would,'ve been badass, people also forget Bo was literally a space terrorist who didn't cared abt her sister nor the cause until it was comvenient
One of my biggest issues with this show since Season 2 was Mando's new ship....There is NO WAY that ship is suitable for long, across the galaxy flights....Where do they store anything? Where is the bathroom? Where do they store extra fuel? THAT SHIP is for SHORT RANGE OPERATIONS. It drives me INSANE that they think that's a suitable ship for what Mando uses it for. It is absurd.
They run into that problem earlier in S3, when he picks up the R5 droid. The big booster engine under the N1 makes it impossible to get the droid in and out, so they get around it with a jump cut.
The bizzaree thing is that they set jim up with the razorcrest for those very reasons but decided fuck it. I dont know how its even possible to care so little about something
The thing that pissed me off the most about the Lizzo episode is the scene where they chase down the B2 droid. I'm pretty sure that's the exact same model of droid that murdered Mando's family in the S1 flashbacks, thus instilling in him a lifelong fear and distrust of droids. So... can we have something come out of this? I don't know, drama, character exploration, any kind of development at all, SOMETHING? They could have at least made Mando paralyzed by fear and PTSD, it would have been consistent with him being useless and Bo-Katan taking care of everything like the strong independent vagina owner she is. But I guess not. What a complete waste of everybody's time.
Because Mando has become a non-character in his own show. Pedro is literally phoning the role in, and the narrative uses Mando as a sidequest NPC, he's there to help with the fight scenes and make an occasional comment, but otherwise he's basically scenery. If anything, having an actual character-based reaction at that particular point would feel weird and out of place.
Or you could have him go into a blind rage over it and he uses the dark saber to hack it into nothingness with the whole room being covered in slashes from how wrecklessly he’d been hacking
The amazing thing to me is how drastic kathleen Kenedy’s failure has been. If she wanted to subvert starwars she would have at least made it tolerable by normies.
@@knobgobler2639 look up archival footage of Lucas reflecting on Kennedy being their note taker- she would often not take notes, and instead, interrupt the meetings, often with the dumbest ideas )"What if he doesn't get the girl, but does get the dog?"). She's always been awful at her job. It's just more visible here.
Am I the only one that just realized that pebble sized remains from Holdo's "Maneuver" actually risks destroying planets because every piece of shrapnel is flying through space, unguided, at literal hyperspeed.
A capital ship large enough to have an insane number of pieces of shrapnel. This would have been a better excuse to not pull a Holdo maneuver than "it's one in a million"
Having read your original comment and the reply to it you made, that's actually a sick concept: A technique so powerful and so destructive that people actively avoid using unless they get desperate. If Disney had better writers they could've taken that somewhere, maybe a cult of kamikaze pilots that keep destroying planets with Holdo Maneuvers that need to be stopped? Would be a great show.
@@S3Cs4uN8 *cut to Poe warping to random points in space and each time being on a planet or something* The Star Wars universe doesn't obey real space logic. Apparently everything is super close and huddled up so OP has a point if you think about it, unless Star Wars also doesn't obey the laws of momentum
Its always fun to watch modern star wars writer try to write about politics, settlements and leadership because they clearly dont know the first thing about any of it
Andor was a tax write off that KK didn't care about. That is the only explanation for it being as good as everyone says. I haven't watched it because the only way I will watch Disney SW is if they retcon the ST and as they decided that we wanted a Rey movie that clearly isn't in the books until at least KK's retirement. No I am not going to give a shit about Disney's shit as they didn't give a shit about characters I enjoyed from when I was a kid probably under ten to someone in their early thirties. I want my OT heroes to have had a proper send off. That wasn't too much to ask. At this point I am glad they ended the old EU. They can't hurt it because of it.
I beg you do Ahsoka next. It's probably the most frustrating show they've made so far, as they had genuinely likeable, interesting, decently developed characters established from Rebels and yet somehow still managed to totally fuck it up.
Oh yeah, I would love to see TheLittlePlatoon tear Ahsoka show apart. I liked the character, Ahsoka, as well as the rebels to some degree. That show showed me Dave Feloni should not write scripts nor dialogue; what a wasted potential, and the show's quality frustrated me to no end.
In legends, Mandalorians were unique because they were comprised of multiple races united as a culture through their creed. Now, it’s apparently all about having mandalorian blood, whosoever wields the sword rules, and no removing your helmet (it used to be they would wear their armor like a second skin so they would always be ready to defend their clan, but they would take it off to eat, sleep, etc. now they just say “haha helmet on. Dis is da way”). I hope the writers never get their grubby little paws on the Kaleesh.
Man if only Giddeon had waited for Ahsoka and realized that anyone, even people measured to have 0 force potential at all, can use the force if they just try hard enough.
Actually Lucas himself said anyone can use force with training…. Furthermore in phantom menace quigon explains midichlorians to young Anakin and says that midichlorians exist in ALL living cells (thus everyone has them) The fan base misunderstood this concept and somehow thought it excluded people? Idk y’all are idiots
@@kalancosta7650 You are just everywhere defending these trash disney shows. IF anybody could use the force, then why would the Jedi Temple have a list of "force sensitive children" (PER SEASON 2 of TCW "Holocron Heist"). You are just wrong man, not EVERYONE can use the force. EVERYONE is bound by the force, it surrounds everything like YODA says in ESB. In order to be force SENSITIVE (To be able to manipulate the force) you must have a high concentration of midichlorians. The reason Anakin was taken into training, even though he was too old, is because he had such a high midichlorian count, higher than any being in existence. This was Jedi Prophecy. Giddeon's entire plan was to harvest Grogu's midichlorians and enable himself to manipulate the force. If ANYONE can manipulate the force, why doesn't Giddeon just try harder?
@@RealTonyMontana the Jedi only take exceptionally talented people…. Ask yourself if you were the head coach of basketball team would take a 5.10 over waiver white dude or a 6.7 physical specimen on the level of MJ??? Sure the 5.10 can play basket ball but why take even more time and effort to get him up to level when the better candidate is much less work…. Every CAN use the force ….. this doesn’t mean everyone can be a Jedi…. For example leia is not a Jedi but Luke trained her and she can use the force, the blind guy in rogue one also uses the force (how else you think fights while blind)
it's crazy that bo katan was the right-hand man to pre vizsla, a mandalorian traditionalist terrorist, and yet at no point does she even mention him nor does she seem to believe in literally anything that he believed. Disney want her to be treated as a heroic character but she is at best, at least in the clone wars, a ruthless anti-hero who will do whatever she has to secure the survival of a traditional mandalore
Anti-hero? Are you retarded? The bitch was so far up her own ass that she took to murdering defenseless villagers with a bunch of jagoff terrorists to undermine her sister's efforts to maintain neutrality in a FULL BLOWN CIVIL WAR That's not even going into the fact she cut and ran to the Republic when Maul defeated Vizla in honorable combat and acquired the Darksaber instead of her.
Dammit, now I'm imagining a Pirate fleet of reclaimed ships from both the empire and the new republic. A patched together star destroyer operating with a fraction of the needed crew, disgorging a mixed squadron of modified tie fighters and xwings.
Every time I hear a rewrite I feel so depressed. It’s like, I would love to love Star Wars again, and it shows how much fun these shows could be instead of key jangling incomprehensible eye candy.
I felt a great disturbance in the Mandalorian saga, as if thousands of shills suddenly cried out in terror and were suddenly silenced. I fear something terrible has happened. I fear that season 3 has been released...
Droids basically being people means of star wars was basically the story of a young plantation master who sets off on a fun adventure with his two slaves.
Arthur Dent’s quest for tea from the nutrimatic is a perfect analogy for an old Star Wars fan looking for it in the modern day: Disney delivers something that is almost, but not quite, entirely unlike Star Wars.
It makes me really sad because I used to really love this show. From the very moment Mando silently walked into that bar, defeated everyone that gave him shit and then went over to the guy he was after with the iconic "I can bring you in warm or I can bring you in cold..." I was on board. I immediately fell in love with this character and the relationship he had with Grogu. And seeing just how much it's fallen, to the point where I gave up halfway through season 3, it just is really disappointing. I love empowered and strong female characters, but this is once again the wrong way to do it. Now I feel like I'm just being talked down to yet again by Disney by shoving Bo Katan in last minute.
I can still happily watch a fair bit of Season 1. It was a wonderful premise and a half-decent introduction. But yeah, it became painful pretty quickly after that!
Their target demographic thinks that "strong" just means physically powerful and incapable of doing wrong or being incorrect, and when a show is changed to appease the fictional modern audience, who are actually just a foul minority, we get horrible characters who cannot admit that they are wrong, in a universe that will never call them out. We would have gotten it much sooner with Rousey's character if she hadn't voiced some tepid fence-sitting sentiment online.
@@TheLittlePlatoon Moreover, Season 1 entirely is just a huge introduction full of little premises. They show us images and pre-characters, relying on people's imagination and experience, that we would extract something from just looking at them, even tho the characters and some themes were never really preestablished by those who created them. It looked welcoming, but nothing welcomed after you enter the door.
On re-watches, Mando season 1 isn't good. It is fun. It embodies the spirit of what A New Hope was. It captures the imagination. Season 1 sets up a series that absolutely had potential. But if Disney has mastered anything, it is wasting potential and turning hope into raw sewage ripening in a sunny gutter.
That one badass female trooper (I won't speak her name, I don't want to be cancelled) would have made a great marshal for Greef Karga's town. Too bad Disney cancelled her.
Gina Carano deserved to be let go from Disney. Cara Dune WAS a great character, and I wish she could've stuck around, but the stuff she was saying on Twitter, the things she was projecting out into the public did not reflect well upon her. Not just anti-vax sentiment, which is a special kind of dumb. She echoed election conspiracies under the guise of "muh freedom." She compared her plight and the plight of "cancelled" conservative to Jews during the Holocaust. I could go on. I'm not saying she didn't have the right to say that stuff (even though almost all of it was incredibly, demonstrably wrong). I'm just saying that if you're going to become the face of a major Disney character, you need to pick and chose what you project. Hell, she could have just waited until AFTER the Mandolorian wrapped up to let loose with her righteous-but-persecuted-conservatism. There were a hundred smarter ways she could have spoken her mind. But Disney would anyone go who said the types of things she was saying - I don't care if you're Pedro Pascal or Ewan McGregor or Werner Herzog or Rosario Dawson, Disney is a known entity and we know how they do business.
@@blackpajamas6600 in hindsight Disney did her a favor.... nobody connected with modern Lucasfilm looks to have a long and successful career in their future....
The problem is that current Disney writers don’t know how to write Complicated or compelling stories or characters with believable loyalties. They’ve already written that the New Republic has been nothing but a bastion of corruption and stagnation, but failed to deliver as to why it was so. There are plenty of instances of Regime Changes where governments are replaced or switch loyalties to a new regime, but the Underlying institutions and industries remain unchanged. Yet Disney’s writers are depicting the entire system of the New Republic as being corrupted by people who served the former government, rather than the new system of government becoming corrupted on its own, because Diswars still has to portray the ‘good guys as good guys”… They’ve Teased and Hinted at opportunities to show Empire Soldiers/Officers/citizens as actual people with goals and motivations, but the always stumble at the last minute and resort to ‘empire am bad” because ‘Nuance is hard, key jangle Better”… There are so many Heroes in Star Wars Stories that were at one point or another affiliated with the Empire, even Leia Organa’s Adoptive Father was a member of the Imperial Senate. But now anything and everything that has to do with the Empire is in all ways every way evil and bad, and anybody on the good guys side who is corrupt is secretly a greedy imperial sympathizer… It’s so boring.
I honestly look at this like the Baath party in Iraq or the NSDAP in Germany. True believers are easy to spot/weed out from the people who took an oath to maintain employment at a civil service job. Totalitarian regimes do this as form of establishing dominance. It isn't all that surprising.
I have to say, thank you. People like you and Drinker have made me realize that it's not enough to just rail against terribly-written shows, movies, and books like this, you really have to make your own stories and worlds that are better than them. I'm not narcissistic enough to think what I've done is a masterpiece or even good, but I know I tried my best.
@@thefiendish186agreed there are exceptions, I struggle with choosing my path mainly because I find it morally hard to decide in between two things, or even harder, to somehow balance them out in this „modern“ world; 1. being morally / ethically „good“ after the best ability of my own judgement and 2. being (especially financially / influentially) successful So I am sure everyone needs to not look very far to find people who DID indeed try to be successful, put in their effort, maybe even „achieved“ a lot of „success“ in their eyes at least, but morally / ethically have done only „bad“ or „wrong“ things in this world, that were only self-serving. Should that kind of effort be appreciated? Definitely not
I must admit I'm confused about how badly the Republic handled the New Orders return later on, considering they must have only just finished fighting Thrawn. They make the same mistakes all over again in not believing reports of enemy activity and downsizing their military.
Yeah, that’s a point I’ll be raising in the Ahsoka video. I believe we’re still around 30 years short of the Sequels, but even were they to make short work of Thrawn, relapsing within the space of a couple of decades just isn’t really believable.
@OsellaSquadraCorse This is a huge topic. The military downsizing may or may not make sense, though. Immediate downsizing has followed most wars I can think of. Despite the Cold War, the US tried to economize around the bomb. Eventually, they did economize around their air force. Meanwhile, they made it law for the defeated nations to disarm. There's a concept called the peace dividend. This is a savings resulting from military downsizing immediately following the Cold War that stimulated Western economies. Counter to this, for the Republic the war clearly isn't over. And finally, to add to this (and drive home the complexity of the subject of decomissioning), France after WW2 did not upsize their military relative to what they had prior to WW2. They did rearm, and they did so with leftover American and German equipment. That is, until they realized panthers were not worth their time and they decommissioned that part of their inventory.
They're really gonna just pretend that Sabine is worthy of being a Jedi, when she made a weapon of mass destruction that was used on her own people. I liked her being trained to use the Darksaber by Kanan. But that's where it should've ended. He wasn't training her to be a Jedi, just use the saber.
@@GhostLink92didn’t they make her, or misused the tech or something? And yeah I’d be much happier if Sabine were simply able to sort of use the force, and instead of needing to be a Jedi, she could wield the Darksaber and be sort of a dual threat. I’ve liked Bo Katan but it might even be cool if she had a heel turn and Sabine had to defeat her. Mostly I’m just sad at how the Ahsoka show made Sabine awful and silly.
2:57:39 with the inclusion of the Night Sisters and their necromancy, we aren't just limited to the corpse of 3P0. It would give Disney the ability to have that scene with Han, Luke, and Leia together on screen that everyone is banging on about.
@@TheLittlePlatoonThey could use them by the looks of it. Then again that OG trio dream will probably come off as more of a nightmare in Disney's hands.
The original character of Mando seemed to share a vibe with Worf from Star Trek TNG. Like Worf, he was technically an outsider who knew and followed the code and traditions of his culture better than those that also profess to be more legitimate Mandolorians. His potential rise to ruler of Mandalor with the saber could have set his culture back "on track" reinforcing the traditions that were proven legitimate enough to have survived since their planet's alleged destruction by the Empire. Perhaps he could even bend them just enough to enable the rest of his culture to join him.
Also, like Worf, he enables someone else to take the throne of his people. In Worf's case, Gawron was the right choice over the house of Duras (a treacherous family who were in league with the Romulans), but proven to be a weak leader over time. Perhaps this would have played out similarly with Bo-Katan if the writers had any good sense...and if either they or Disney didn't want to push the story to be more about her than the titular character...
Ah but that would require good writing and not rehashing a failed leadership arc for a 3rd time just because she has “royal blood” Imagine the timeline where we got a foundling as the new leader of Mandalore. If only. lol
@@Gunnberg85 That would also require Filoni to cease his relentless favouritism and start writing stories in which his characters are actually allowed to be flawed.
I find it hilarious how much of an NPC quest giver Bo Katan was in the first episode of the season to being discussed as the new lead protag by mid season.
As an aspiring creative, i cant state how much i appreciate your analysis on what went wrong and what could have been done to fix it. I learn so much from your videos even down the smallest details on keeping consistency and the adhering to internal logic. You encourage me and others to do more than take a dump on bad media, we need to create media of our own, that exists first and foremost to just be a good story.
Along with Drinker, you happen to be my favorite youtuber. Look forward to your reviews, hope you do one for Ahsoka and the remaining Rings of Power. You've helped me appreciate objectivity in storytelling more these days
I think Gideon saying "this cannot be" to C.O.W. was not denial of the intelligence so much as bad writers using the wrong words to say "This cannot be allowed to happen."
Oh, it could be that, sure. It just seems so vague and out of place and not supported by the acting, etc. I erred on the side of general incompetence as opposed to linguistic incompetence!
If they wanted Paz's death to make sense, they should've had the Jet Troopers and Paz be unable to hurt each other because their weapons can't do shit to each other, so when Paz's gun overheats and he whips out his knife, the troopers just back off, not willing to dignify him with a melee match. Then the Praetorians appear, and one of them fights him one-on-one, and guts him.
Or they coulda had them gang up on him and still give him a badass ending, could do a whole Emile thing where even after getting thoroughly stabbed he finishes off his killer too
@@HolyknightVader999 yeah like I’m a real sucker for heroic cool deaths, like he wins a fight against one straight up and then 2 v 1s the rest and while killing one of them the other gets a mortal shot on him and he turns it on that guy and takes him with him. It’s a bit goofy and stereotypical but fuck would it be cool while not being total bull
@@HolyknightVader999 ya know after realizing Paz was the chunkylorian and not the dude they had take over bo katans old group after they got disillusioned I take back what I said. They shoulda just let one of them dunk on him
I just cannot get over how *horribly* miscast Rosario Dawson is as Ahsoka. In The Clone Wars and Rebels she was one of the most expressive, feminine, complex, sympathetic, and overall likable characters in the whole show. In live action she's a plank of wood. They took the man-with-tits trope and dialed it up to 50 and broke the knob off. I swear they were *trying* to ruin her. Everything else can be chalked up to lazy writing, but that was just plain vandalism. They really should have just stuck to making animated series'. They weren't perfect, but at least they were still good.
She was basically cast by the sw fanbase. They had voted her the one to play that character and it seems like Disn went with it hoping it would be appeasing.
As much as I like Katee Sackhoff for her previous work in clone wars, Battlestar Galactica and so on. I dunno how feel about her acting in this. She’s either constipated or the guys in charge have told her to be a stoic and largely emotionless robot. Especially in this season. A part of of me just wants her to break out a cigar say Frak and punch people.
given what an atrocity the 'acting' in ahsoka is, i'm starting to think that's a stylistic choice by someone within Lucasfilm, so maybe Sackhoff has an excuse.
imagine...Gideon going through all that trouble to create clones who could wield the force...and Ashoka just establishing anyone can if he just wants it enough. poor sob...he obviously didn't want it enough. same writiers...i cant even...
Moff Gideon’s plan is especially dumb now that Ahsoka is finished because that show says that ANYONE can learn to use the Force if they just try hard enough so Gideon should’ve just worked harder.
One thing to mention as well with dialogue is how they try to make the Armourer sound all "epic and mysterious" but when you boil down her meaninging, its either super plain or actively contradictory. Take the scene where she tells Bo Katan of the Great Forge and to remove her helmet. She starts by saying that many weapons were formed in the Great Forge and it was a sight to behold. But that her simple, little forge also did the same purpose and founded her clan with the same protection. Hell, it can even work with Beskar so the only thing that the Great Forge seems to have is history. From that, I thought it was going to be her saying why the Way is better than what Bo Katan wants. That they survived due to their lifestyle moving to where they can flourish because they've been without the Great Forge for ages yet are still around whilst Bo Katan, Satine and Pre Vizsla have all lost immensely because they keep clinging to one place rather than focus of their people. But no! She says that this is a sign that Bo Katan should lead them back. Which changes the dialogue to: "The Great Forge was a forge. This was a forge too. These are both forges. Now lets go back to Mandalore." Millions of dollars, everyone.
"The one thing I never had. The Force!" If you want to have the Force, just train to use it. ALL OF DISNEY STAR WARS HAS BEEN BUILT AROUND THE IDEA THAT EVERYONE CAN USE THE FORCE!
1:50:09 I think this "spark pad" was supposed to be like a matchbook for robots. Because the writers decided to reference the ancient detective show trope of finding a location based on a bar matchbook. Remember when you could not only smoke in bars, but they would give out matchbooks with the bar's name on them? I mean, I don't, because I'm not sixty years old. But apparently it was a thing at one point, unless Mickey Spillane lied to me. And now it's in this Star Wars show!
I loved politics in the SW universe. The idea of political, religious, cultural, traditional and moral beliefs clashing in a galaxy with thousands of planets, species and races combined with the technology that allows for fantastic visual battles is an ideal formula for story telling. REAL LIFE politics getting added into SW is where a lot of people get annoyed. When we say we dont want politics in SW we don't mean no politics full stop we mean no IRL politics in the fictional world. Either way fantastic video mate.
exactly this. why is this so hard for people to understand? in universe politics are engaging and interesting. having contemporary politics half heartedly shoved into our entertainment for no reason other than to preach is where I feel the need to take a hostage.
If I may, what I believe you are saying is that you much prefer the presence of older, foundational, and pragmatic politics in _Star Wars_ to modern, idealistic, inapplicable, and self-congratulating politics. The politics you have referred to continue to exist despite their age because they have been proven to work through vigorous testing across the ages: resource management, border control, national identity, cultural identity, patriotism, solidarity. By definition, politics are an ancient philosophy discussing the best methods by which groups of people are capable of living together, which can encompass a spectrum from mere tolerance to brotherhood and sisterhood. In systems like these, stories naturally spring up because of the depths to which different nations explore and apply these ideas and more. Modern writers, meanwhile, have only a superficial grasp of how these processes occur and have conditioned themselves to believe more strongly in hyper-individualistic perversions of potentially solid ideals: gender identity, self-expression, self-importance, autonomy, moral equality. By placing their reliance on these concepts in their writing, which can be extremely vague when divorced from context, they may be capable of writing well-defined characters, but they also run the risk of portraying those ideals in something that is less a character and more a mouthpiece. They also blunder their world building, as they fail to realize that what they write for one nation may not be the case in another, as it is with our world. Their experience only pertains to their local environment, which is poison to a creative world rife with possibility. TL;DR, these writers fail because they write what they know, which is highly personalized, rather than branching out and exploring other possibilities, be they based in reality or otherwise.
The worst part about Teeva finding the covenant is that he helped to save Mandos life. Another aspect of short sighted writing when he could have given Mando a communication device to call on him for a future favor that Mando owes him. Not to mention them valuing selfless actions like the one Mando had taken to save the child. It’s so sad that they can’t even use Chekhovs gun properly in some regards
Excellent video. I assumed the "spark pad" from the droid bar was supposed to be the equivalent of a branded matchbook, which frequently served as a vital clue in older detective stories.
My wife was watching that episode in particular with me. During the bar scene, she said, "Wait, so droids are just people? They go to a bar after a hard day and worry about being scrapped? THAT'S AWFUL! Are they slaves? Is this whole society built on droid slavery!?" Well done, dear. That would be the implication, yes.
@awhellnah__ Except in that universe ruining episode they are people. They go to bars after work, have drinks with friends, hit on other bots, worry about the future… they’re sentient individuals in every sense that matters. I’m not saying they should be, or have ever been presented that way before, but in that episode that’s exactly what they show.
@@professor_artooI mean... they kinda have been though. I'm not saying I agree with the decisions made in that episode, but I feel like whether or not droids are sentient beings has always been a pretty gray area in Star Wars. All the way back in the OT C-3P0 and R-2 have had very distinct personalities, motivations, quirks, and the people around them have treated them as, well, people. Kind of.
@@Lesquidliestone except they specificly reference them having their memories wiped for new owners, implying that if they retain the same personality afterwards, it's something programmed in them, à la Marvin the Paranoid Android and other a.i. equipment in Hitchhiker's Guide.
Jack Black doesn't get flack for being fat because he's actually talanted rather than being a talentless CIA op to push a certain narative and ideology.
Are we sure Greef is more moral to his employees than Lizzo? He DID direct the suddenly pterodactyl episode, which meant he made the Chunkylorian say his lines, he made Pascal & Sackhoff have the conversation about eating with your helmet on, and he made the Nepolorian act like he was being eaten by a Suddenly Pterodactyl after losing a turn-based duel to a cheating puppet.
The funny thing about Gideon's plan is that the Ahsoka series happened, and in that series we see that peoplewith a net-zero connection to The Force can still overtly use it if they *really* want to. Therefore making a cross-species clone to enable the mass use of The Force completely irrelevent. All the clones need to do is try harder, and they can have it too.
I was happy enough with the first 2 seasons of the Mandolorian, wasn’t exactly reinventing the wheel, but it didn’t need to! It came to a natural conclusion, they should’ve just quit while they were ahead! After seeing tonnes of bad reviews, I didn’t bother with season 3, seems like I saved myself some time
they didn't even have to quit, they were at a perfect junction to dump the little gremlin and stop backdooring a pilot every other episode. They could have complete reset with Mando, having realized how aimless his life had become thanks to his experiences with baby yoda, actually deciding to do something with his life. Get the story on to some sort of track and actually give the show a purpose. but no, they had to choke to death on memberberries instead because there is nobody with talent left at Lucasfilm....
Yea, Lucas was always vague on travel time. When Stackpole was writing the X-Wing novels he asked how long it would take to travel and he was told it took as long as he wanted it to take. To have stable travel times, he used the travel times used in a Star Wars role playing game.
Wait Mandalor got nuked only six years ago. But middle aged Mandalorian has been a Mandalorian since he was a child orphan? Why does he act like he only knows of Mandalor from stories. He's older than most the other Mandos we meet in the show. Why did he never get baptised on Mandalor before it fell.
God, I’d have to go back to Season 1, but I think the Children of the Watch (the cult he’s part of) left Mandalore long ago. He was picked up by them during a battle in the Clone Wars and became a foundling, so he was never baptised on Mandalore and had only heard about it second-hand. At least I think that’s his backstory.
We're back in that weird version of _Star Wars_ where nobody has any sort of data security and they don't habitually factory reset a droid before sale, aren't we? Heck, it's supposedly a standard part of droid preventative maintenance to do so. R2-D2 and CH1-10PR are both unusual (in part) because they've gone decades without the usual mindwipes. Point is, R5 _should_ have no memory of ever being owned by the New Republic aside from being packed off for resale. You could argue, one supposes, that Amy Sedaris is a proponent of droid rights, and wouldn't have wiped the droid that she'd acquired as salvage.. except she's still apparently _selling_ the droid. There is, of course, another option: the New Republic is releasing it's surplus droids out into the world as spies, in which case Mando's previously expressed opinions on droids is more justified, since R5 betrayed him to the New Republic. (Scratch that; no matter how unlikely that chain of events* was, we _know_ R5 betrayed Mando to the New Republic.) How a pilot (even a squadron commander) out in the middle of BFE got his hands on that intelligence stream, much less dug useful information out of it in a reasonable timeframe, is left as an exercise for the reader. *Whichever chain it happens to be.
I may have got my timelines mixed up - reffing the 03 rather than the 08 cartoon. The point stands, though. It was a dumb decision and it’s George’s fault.
It’s interesting talking about cloning with Force Sensitivity thanks to Ahsoka, you don’t need to work with the medicalorians anymore, everyone’s practically force sensitive, ig Gideon didn’t want it enough..
On the religious nature of the show (or more specifically the Jewish nature of the Mandalorians), the one thing that always stood out to me was the line that Mando's clan always says, "This is the way." The early Christians were originally called "Followers of The Way", "Belonging to The Way" or sometimes just "The Way". But "The Way" doesn't refer to a creed but to Jesus Himself who called himself, "The Way". Conclusion: If Mando's clan are "Jewish" and if they follow "Jesus", then does that make them the Star Wars version of "Jews for Jesus"? Maybe I'm putting more thought into this than the writers did.
Your "Fixing Disney Star Wars" segment at the end just makes me wish that you, MauLer, and Drinker had full creative control of Star Wars and everything else that Disney owns. Also, I'm glad I'm not the only one who was driven crazy by the battle droids sounding so goofy post-Attack of the Clones. Anyway, phenomenal work as always! Your videos are always worth the wait. :)
Agreed, it’s baffling given how important planning is to success that practically none of Disney Star Wars gave any of their projects much thought before rushing them out (I suspect some of this is due to the poor leadership and behind the scenes drama but still). You would think a multi billion dollar franchise would warrant a little more thought. Platoons outline also has the benefit in my view of not directly trampling over old EU material, and consisting largely of new characters from the Filoni-verse and Favrou who can be molded into whatever they want without implicating for lack of a better word OT or Prequel favorites in unbefitting ways like the sequels did.
I was aware of the series, because I watched all the reviews and the first part of this video. Appart from that my brother made me watch the last two episodes of the season saying that those were the most "Star Wars". I remember someting Mauler said in his Game of Thrones review where he said: "There comes a time in all forms of media consumption where you are so utterly bewildered by an event taking place that there are so many things wrong with it that you don't have words and you simply laugh..." I had that moment when Muff Gideon landed wearing that armor. It was the moment when I realized he had no plan, he used everyone else's plans and it hit me like a reference cascade, just like The Italian Job movie from 2003, the antagonist Steve had no idea what to do with the gold he copied everyone else's ideas.
I've seen a lot of channels offer suggestions on how to fix / rewrite a story, but this may be the first time I've seen someone break down how they'd rewrite and cut a series down into a single season to save / put time and resources to better use. Very cool to see, guy. Cheers!
Eh they bothered me less than Denning's obsession with the barabels. Goddamn I wanted to kill off the Jedi master barabel he created in the least awesome way I could think off and have no one miss her in the process if I had ever wrote a SW book.
I still don’t get why Favreau felt the need to vocally parallel Mandalorians with any real-world religion. That just makes it awkward to talk about. Especially when I was hoping Season 3 was gonna be more critical of the cultish mandos with Din Djarin finally moving away from the Deathwatch. Just really weird on Favreau’s part
It is a testament to platoon’s perceptive wit and delightful delivery that I have listened to this lengthy tale having never watched the mandalorian and having all but given up on Disney Star Wars in its entirety. Very entertaining and much more so than the show I am sure.
I love how little platoon will make a 4 and a half hour video essay meticulously critiquing a television show and then just put "THIS SUCKS" on the thumbnail
I have a question, why does the blacksmith get to make these choices about who is and isn't the chosen one or whatever instead of the leader, chief person?
The whole thing with the peacekeeping zone just reminds me of a real sign I see in my town that’s labeled “drug free school zone”. It unintentionally implies the presence of non drug free school zones, which I find hilarious.
1:14:00: How in the hell did Kathleen Kennedy get to this point? From Spielberg's secretary, to "producer," to head of Lucasfilm, and screwing over George Lucas? She's ruined all Lucasfilm properties; Willow, Indiana Jones, and Star Wars, yet she is still employed. Mind-boggling!!!🤷🏽♀️
1) She probably has dirt on important people. 2) She has been in the industry for years. She would have made friends and be owed favors. 3) Firing probably the best known woman head of a studio in the era of DEI would look bad for all the crazy leftists who don't like hiring people and keeping people for more than their biology. She isn't young anymore and maybe Disney will just not extend her contract and everyone will agree to pretend KK is retiring after what everyone will say is a lifetime of great achievement. Which if you like destroying a proven money maker like SW than they would not be wrong.
Here is my fix for medichlorians; they are tiny beings which are drawn to the force and so they congregate in high numbers in beings with a lot of the force flowing through them. They don't create force sensitivity, they just are a metric to tell how powerful someone is. The more in tune a person is with the force, the more medichlorians will be attracted to them and the higher their count will be.
That works. Or you could say their a kind of biological byproduct from a person being force sensitive. In other words, contact with The Force is was causes the creation of midichlorians in the first place. More contact = more midichlorians
Can't remember if Hondo and crew was established as being part of the Pirate Nation in the Clone Wars and Rebels, but I agree that I wanted to hear more the Pirate Nation, its inner workings and if a loved animated character is involved .
So, a little while back, Mauler spoke about how Star Wars "cannot grow up," and I feel like just the premise of The Mandalorian is proof of that- on first blush, it bears hallmarks of "Lone Wolf and Cub." This is a fairly common setup in films. Heck, a film I like a lot, "Sword of the Stranger" is a "Lone Wolf and Cub" redux, after a fashion. But the major conceit of the story as it progresses is meant to be the nature of this story of taking an innocent into a world of bloodshed and violence, and letting those characters react and respond to the scenario. The problem is... Baby Yoda isn't a character, and the scenarios that Mando takes him into are not really all that violent. Baby Yoda is more of a plot device, with little to no character to speak of, and the Mando - even in the first season - is little better. And the scenarios they find themselves in are fairly bland and boiler-plate, easily addressed in most situations. Heck, even the "grim moment" where Mando shoots his fellow hitman is toothless, because it's a robot. At _least_ Han actually shot and killed another living, breathing being. Does this mean that I want Star Wars to be some super-dark Berserk-style setting? No. But I _do_ want it to have teeth, if it's going to play within certain settings. And Westerns - which is what Mando is supposed to be - have teeth. Films like "A Fistful of Dollars," "The Man With No Name," and especially "Once Upon a Time in The West" all carry the air of dangerous men in a dangerous time. And the Western is the contemporary to the Samurai story. If Mando wanted to be _really_ good, then it needs to stop being afraid of being serious and mature. It needs to grow up, a little.
I remember when all the optimists were so sure that the season was going to mirror the Arthurian legends whereby Mando would save his people and become like a Mandalorian King Arthur, with the Dark Saber being his Excalibur. For like two seconds, I thought they might actually be going that route when we saw the mythosaur. It WOULD have been epic if they had done that, but as always, that was expecting too much out of the writers. Pre-sapient levels of intelligence seems to be a job requirement for screen writers these days.
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I missed you Plat, can’t wait brother!
So happy to see TLP is back!!! 🎉
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i love that if the holdo manuver really was 1 in a million, she was canonically actually just trying to hyperspace away and leave everyone to die
Holds is the worst pirate I’ve ever heard of, but I have heard of her.
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This is the funniest thing I have read today. Cheers.
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I'm shocked we do not have a Holdo spinoff yet, where she just emasculates every men in the army
I absolutely hated Mandalorian S3, but I still find it hilarious how first Mando completely takes over another show, and then has his own show taken over by a different character. It's such a glorious act of self-sabotage I can't help being utterly fascinated by it.
How not to do shared universe
From the same company that managed to nail it with Marvel for a while
It's to be expected with Disney.
Thor was replaced with Mighty Thor.
Iron Man was replaced with Iron Heart
Captain America was replaced with Captain Falcon
Mando was replaced with Bo Katana.
Ashoka was replaced with Sabine.
Boba Fett was replaced with whatever the hell that Tusken Lover imposter was..
That is the way.
Subversion.
@@amandahuginkys7878………..you have spoken
@@amandahuginkys7878 Even Doctor Strange was sidelined by Scarlet Witch in his movie. Somehow Disney is mortaly scared of making the character in the title the main character of their movie/show.
@@EskChan19 This "subversion" theme they keep chugging along with, least imo, showing abysmally diminished returns. Why can't they just make a good product?
If profits aren't coming forth, yet they continue to hold the line, then profits aren't the goal. It must be, THE MESSAGE. And if that is indeed their goal, then let them burn to ashes; for nothing shall be lost with their absence.
Do you really think I don't have enough life that I would watch a 4 and a half hours long criticism of half a season? Then you are completely right.
You and me both pal!
How do you know it'll be that long?
@@MegaSpideyman timestamps are in the description
Do what I do, skip the actual show bc it failed to be interesting about 3 eps into s1 show up and laugh at how much worse it has become
Work is an 8 hour shift. Plenty of listening time
Season 1 of the Mandalorian made me say: "Give the keys of Star Wars to Filoni and watch him print money" season 3 and The Book of Bobba Tea made me go: "Take the keys, he's drunk"
Season 4 (Like that's ever going to happened) is probably going to be like: "Fuck it he somehow got the keys back but is in jail for driving under the influence and vehicular manslaughter so let him stay there."
The man was always drunk. Shame how only now people are starting to get it when it's far too late.
Luv, he isn't drunk. He is just impaired.
lol ! truth
@@ShredderPeek Nah, he had the right idea with Clone Wars, but he flew to close to the sun and Disney gave him too much freedom
Calling Lizzo a moon sized super weapon is both incredibly savage and incredibly accurate.
She’s a nuke
Calling Lizzo a moon sized super weapon is extremely hurtful to moon sized super weapons.
A single Twerk can collapse and entire star system
What? It's not accurate at all, no moon is that massive. Really,a "celestial" body like Lizzo's would put that dumbass Death Planet from episode 7 to shame
Imagine the size of her bacta tank
The fact that this show and Andor exist in the same IP is shocking.
On one hand, you have Stellan Skarsgård delivering a monologue about his personal sacrifice, turning himself into a monster to fight the Empire, and on the other you have Queen President Dictator Lizzo knighting a puppet.
Ugh.
Also, TLP experienced a great vowel shift while talking about Lizzo, and I’m all about it.
Andor was boring
@@TSF15152masterfully made TV. The writing doesn't come close from any star wars project.
@@TSF15152sorry it didn't have enough key jangling and pretty colors for you
@@TSF15152i know right? They didn’t even have darth vader in it? And as we know, every show that has darth vader in it is amazing 10/10 masterpieeece!
"I miss the the idea of Star Wars, but I hate the truth of it." The Mandolorian is filled with with great ideas, a lonely bounty Hunter finds a magic sword that gives him sovereignty over his people. Then unifies the disparate clans and leads them back to their homeworld. Sounds like a kick ass story, but no we got this hot pile of garbage.
Nah man we better get the same exact woman who failed twice before to lead again. She has “Royal blood” you see.
Who’d want to see a foundling Mandalorian rising to leadership and dealing with all the issues that come up? That’d be so boring!! /s
@@AdamCordova_26Yeah guess your right who wants to watch a bounty hunter who fights only for cash learn to fight for a cause larger than himself. Then after a watery tart throws him a lightsaber he has to step up to plate, learns responsibility and become the leader he was always meant to be
Just about the only good quote from Ahsoka show
That’s not as marketable as a little baby green alien.
Even with all its problems in season 2, I was still on board with Mando, *if* that was the direction they were going to go in.
Book of Bobby Fatt disabused me of any notion that Kennedy's fuhrerbunker knows or cares about good storytelling. Or, much of anything else, it seems.
Isn't it hilarious that the villain in the Mandalorian wants to acquire force powers through Grogu, while in Ahsoka it is shown that anyone can gain force powers if they try hard enough. Guess Gideon just wasn't determined enough when he tried moving things with his mind...
That last Ahsoka episode seemed to be trying to confuse that ‘anyone can use the force’ nonsense by saying the real reason Ahsoka stopped training Sabine was because she was afraid she was training for the wrong reasons (her anger over the Mandalorian Massacre), and Ahsoka was afraid she’d be too powerful. Maybe I misread it but that’s what that conversation between Huyang and Ezra seemed to be implying: secretly powerful all along and only held back by Ashoka’s purposefully instilled doubt.
@@footthumb Canaan observed that Sabine was blocked - long before Ahsoka showed up.
It really depends. Considering how few Jedi there were relative to the population you probably needed a 1 in a million to a 1 in a billion ability. Sabine might have a 1/1000 ability and still be far below the expectations for a Jedi.
Gideon might have a completely average ability, or a 1 in 1000 where he doesn't have the Patience or training to foster a relatively weak connection to the force
@christinearmington who the fuck cares. She looked like a cheap whore and he acting was that if a high schooler. stoicism from all characters isn't character development neither is giving her powers just cause you want more jedi when it wasn't even done in a way we could all swallow it. This is the problem with their star wars is we have to sit here and convince ourselves this isn't hot garbage. I could have written a better show with the same parameters. We all could of. That's the problem to me. I'm just a minority tho so it doesn't really matter what I think. Just tired of lame brai. STar wars i want to think . Not to make excuses but to celebrate genius. Not eat Another McDonald's burger
@@christinearmingtonI feel like that should have been mentioned in Ahsoka instead of Huyang saying her aptitude is so shit.
Very good point about the "politics" complaint. People seem to overlook that the original Star Wars featured politics to flesh out the fairytale elements with something substantial; indeed, the film *begins* with politics. It's not just "good princess captured by evil empire", no, the good princess is part of the empire, using her Imperial position as cover for support of an insurrection; she and Vader, the Imperial enforcer, square off *politically*: "You've gone too far, you've attacked a diplomatic transport, the Senate won't tolerate this". "Don't give me that bullshit, I know you're a fifth column traitor". Politics. Additionally: most people would agree that the Death Star conference scene is a highlight -- that's entirely politics. Even the Vader strangle. That sequence is a member of a council of secular, fascist officers sneering at the guy dressed as one of the Knights Templar who keeps going on about how the Lord is the only true power.
That's why I love Andor. Some of my favorite stuff in the prequels is the political intrigue. It's my kind of "boring".
Yes indeed. The difference in delivery is really perspective. The OT gives us glimpses of this galactic order (and even those couched in familiar real-world concepts), but doesn’t ever distract itself from plot and character. We learn the bare minimum required to understand place, but the story is personal much more than it is political.
The prequels step up and back. It’s impersonal. It’s debatable whether the films even have protagonists in the traditional sense. They’re stories about a galaxy more than they are stories within the galaxy. That’s, off the bat, less compelling and relatable. Married to the failures in dialogue, decisions, basic logic, and unfortunately you’re left stranded outside the thing looking in.
The intent was clearly to try and make it an epic tragedy in the Greek mould. The delivery was sorely lacking. But the intent is admirable and some of the ideas and concepts are great.
@@TheLittlePlatoon god Platoon.... even your comments on comments are far superior to disney writing, your awesome man, Im enjoying this video, thank you!
"What makes something fundamentally entertaining - is to have it speak the truth about something ... if not specifically diadectic, to approach interesting topics that give people a foothold to engage." -Hugh Monahan
@@burna2650 The politics in Andor are actually thrilling. That scene with Mon Mothma and her old flame where she talks about "how she's learned from Palpatine..." man...absolutely incredible.
I think the most disappointing thing about this season is the Darksaber. Mando used it, like, twice, no one ever REALLY explored the implications of it, and gave it to Bo Katan yet again
And then it got trashed by the same guy who five minutes ago was demanding she hand it over.
@@TheLittlePlatoonDamn you studiet that Season... I feel bad fir you 😢😢😢❤
@@TheLittlePlatoonAdd to the Darksaber problems is Bo's personal Mando history with it... Bo has never won the Darksaber in combat. It's been given to her... Twice now.
The first time she became a joke because it was taken from her. Hence when Djinn offered it to her she refused to take it because she 'needed' to defeat it's owner. And she couldn't defeat a man willing to give it away. Yet later she just takes it like she's learned feminism and discarded her personal principles that stopped her taking things in a way that would have repercussions... Since she's now being written as a Mary Sue who will never face the consequences of her actions.
I really hated the fact that armorer made a big deal about removing their helmets and then 2 episodes later makes an exception by having bokatan remove her helmet just because of this mythosaur sighting. I was like wtf ?
@@crownedgambit Yeah fully. They have these rules that are like the most important things ever & then nek minute are like 'oh yeah that doesn't matter anymore' 🤷♀
*It’s hilarious to think that, by Mandalorian rules, the Darksaber was (for a brief period of time) owned by the one-eyed cave monster.*
Could the one-eyed cave monster have united the clans?
Well, if half of Darth Maul can be Mandalore, who knows?
Probably it couldn't do worse than Bo-katan.
Well that one eyed cave monster was native to mandalore so in some ways it’s more worthy than mando
Well, if we want to take it further, that's wrong; wasn't even Din's or Gideon's in the first place. It's whoever gets credit for blowing up the second death star since Palpatine defeated Maul when the saber was his.
@@nobody2996 so lando is the rightful mandalore?
Thing is, Din Djarin wasn't even defeated in a duel with an enemy. He was caught in a booby trap by a lurking foe. Not in a fair duel. So Bo still didn't best an enemy Din failed to best, she went in with a warning about a danger he was unaware of. She hasn't earned the Dark Saber.
She also has lost it more than once... Din would've made sense, someome who wasn't destined to be great, but proved throughout the series his ability to make people unite like the Tuskens and tatooine people, in the quest lf just a place for grogu him then becoming a ruler would,'ve been badass, people also forget Bo was literally a space terrorist who didn't cared abt her sister nor the cause until it was comvenient
The whitewashing of Bo is INSANE. She's an absolute sack of crap. A terrorist and a fraud.
One of my biggest issues with this show since Season 2 was Mando's new ship....There is NO WAY that ship is suitable for long, across the galaxy flights....Where do they store anything? Where is the bathroom? Where do they store extra fuel? THAT SHIP is for SHORT RANGE OPERATIONS. It drives me INSANE that they think that's a suitable ship for what Mando uses it for. It is absurd.
They run into that problem earlier in S3, when he picks up the R5 droid. The big booster engine under the N1 makes it impossible to get the droid in and out, so they get around it with a jump cut.
Shhhh... Shhhh... Don't think about it. Just consume product and get excited for next product.
The bizzaree thing is that they set jim up with the razorcrest for those very reasons but decided fuck it.
I dont know how its even possible to care so little about something
He puts a suction cup on his butt, and the shit floats out into space. Duh. Leave Dave Filioni alone! You just don't understand his genius. :^P
He ain't a Bounty Hunter Anymore.
The thing that pissed me off the most about the Lizzo episode is the scene where they chase down the B2 droid. I'm pretty sure that's the exact same model of droid that murdered Mando's family in the S1 flashbacks, thus instilling in him a lifelong fear and distrust of droids. So... can we have something come out of this? I don't know, drama, character exploration, any kind of development at all, SOMETHING?
They could have at least made Mando paralyzed by fear and PTSD, it would have been consistent with him being useless and Bo-Katan taking care of everything like the strong independent vagina owner she is.
But I guess not. What a complete waste of everybody's time.
Because Mando has become a non-character in his own show. Pedro is literally phoning the role in, and the narrative uses Mando as a sidequest NPC, he's there to help with the fight scenes and make an occasional comment, but otherwise he's basically scenery. If anything, having an actual character-based reaction at that particular point would feel weird and out of place.
@@DrMcFly28 So he's like the protagonist in Final Fantasy 14 🤣
Or you could have him go into a blind rage over it and he uses the dark saber to hack it into nothingness with the whole room being covered in slashes from how wrecklessly he’d been hacking
Little did George know that when he compared Disney to white slavers, he was actually insulting slavers.
Thank you for the gifted membership ❤, and it’s the biggest insult to slavers since they were inslaved.
The amazing thing to me is how drastic kathleen Kenedy’s failure has been. If she wanted to subvert starwars she would have at least made it tolerable by normies.
THey are Diverse Slavers! Which is a good thing in some strange way? lol
@@knobgobler2639 look up archival footage of Lucas reflecting on Kennedy being their note taker- she would often not take notes, and instead, interrupt the meetings, often with the dumbest ideas )"What if he doesn't get the girl, but does get the dog?").
She's always been awful at her job. It's just more visible here.
Slavers were generally arabic.
Am I the only one that just realized that pebble sized remains from Holdo's "Maneuver" actually risks destroying planets because every piece of shrapnel is flying through space, unguided, at literal hyperspeed.
A capital ship large enough to have an insane number of pieces of shrapnel. This would have been a better excuse to not pull a Holdo maneuver than "it's one in a million"
Given the sheer scale of the distances involved it's fairly unlikely that any of that debris would actually hit anything.
Having read your original comment and the reply to it you made, that's actually a sick concept: A technique so powerful and so destructive that people actively avoid using unless they get desperate. If Disney had better writers they could've taken that somewhere, maybe a cult of kamikaze pilots that keep destroying planets with Holdo Maneuvers that need to be stopped? Would be a great show.
@@S3Cs4uN8 *cut to Poe warping to random points in space and each time being on a planet or something*
The Star Wars universe doesn't obey real space logic. Apparently everything is super close and huddled up so OP has a point if you think about it, unless Star Wars also doesn't obey the laws of momentum
Am I the only one pedantic enough to point out that those fragments aren't "shrapnel"?
Very probably.
Its always fun to watch modern star wars writer try to write about politics, settlements and leadership because they clearly dont know the first thing about any of it
And its funnier when they get called out for doing those, they deny and/or avoid it
Making them look like delusional asswipes
andor did it well
"To make something fundamentally entertaining is to have it speak the truth."
Andor was a tax write off that KK didn't care about. That is the only explanation for it being as good as everyone says. I haven't watched it because the only way I will watch Disney SW is if they retcon the ST and as they decided that we wanted a Rey movie that clearly isn't in the books until at least KK's retirement. No I am not going to give a shit about Disney's shit as they didn't give a shit about characters I enjoyed from when I was a kid probably under ten to someone in their early thirties. I want my OT heroes to have had a proper send off. That wasn't too much to ask.
At this point I am glad they ended the old EU. They can't hurt it because of it.
I beg you do Ahsoka next. It's probably the most frustrating show they've made so far, as they had genuinely likeable, interesting, decently developed characters established from Rebels and yet somehow still managed to totally fuck it up.
Oh yeah, I would love to see TheLittlePlatoon tear Ahsoka show apart. I liked the character, Ahsoka, as well as the rebels to some degree. That show showed me Dave Feloni should not write scripts nor dialogue; what a wasted potential, and the show's quality frustrated me to no end.
On it!
Ask and ye shall receive
In legends, Mandalorians were unique because they were comprised of multiple races united as a culture through their creed. Now, it’s apparently all about having mandalorian blood, whosoever wields the sword rules, and no removing your helmet (it used to be they would wear their armor like a second skin so they would always be ready to defend their clan, but they would take it off to eat, sleep, etc. now they just say “haha helmet on. Dis is da way”).
I hope the writers never get their grubby little paws on the Kaleesh.
Progressive Disney made the inclusive Mandalorians into racial supremacists.
I pray they never touch the kaleesh.
Let's hope they don't delve into the Old Republic era. I'd hate for them to somehow fuck up Malachor V.
Whether or not this was ever "cannon" it is a more interesting idea.
@iivin4233 Technically, nothing of the EU was 'canon', Lucas signed off on it sure, but until he used it himself, it never counted to him.
The drop in quality from season 2 to season 3 is absolutely incredible. A lot of effort went into failing this badly.
I found season 3 to be much better. The first two were pretty bad, but the third one had a couple of interesting episodes (3 and 6 in particular).
Man if only Giddeon had waited for Ahsoka and realized that anyone, even people measured to have 0 force potential at all, can use the force if they just try hard enough.
That’s Filoni trying to protect Rey, and I hate it
Actually Lucas himself said anyone can use force with training…. Furthermore in phantom menace quigon explains midichlorians to young Anakin and says that midichlorians exist in ALL living cells (thus everyone has them)
The fan base misunderstood this concept and somehow thought it excluded people? Idk y’all are idiots
@@kalancosta7650no you halfwit, just because People have midichlorians doesnt mean everyone can do what palpatine or fucking rey can
@@kalancosta7650 You are just everywhere defending these trash disney shows. IF anybody could use the force, then why would the Jedi Temple have a list of "force sensitive children" (PER SEASON 2 of TCW "Holocron Heist"). You are just wrong man, not EVERYONE can use the force. EVERYONE is bound by the force, it surrounds everything like YODA says in ESB. In order to be force SENSITIVE (To be able to manipulate the force) you must have a high concentration of midichlorians. The reason Anakin was taken into training, even though he was too old, is because he had such a high midichlorian count, higher than any being in existence. This was Jedi Prophecy. Giddeon's entire plan was to harvest Grogu's midichlorians and enable himself to manipulate the force. If ANYONE can manipulate the force, why doesn't Giddeon just try harder?
@@RealTonyMontana the Jedi only take exceptionally talented people….
Ask yourself if you were the head coach of basketball team would take a 5.10 over waiver white dude or a 6.7 physical specimen on the level of MJ??? Sure the 5.10 can play basket ball but why take even more time and effort to get him up to level when the better candidate is much less work….
Every CAN use the force ….. this doesn’t mean everyone can be a Jedi…. For example leia is not a Jedi but Luke trained her and she can use the force, the blind guy in rogue one also uses the force (how else you think fights while blind)
it's crazy that bo katan was the right-hand man to pre vizsla, a mandalorian traditionalist terrorist, and yet at no point does she even mention him nor does she seem to believe in literally anything that he believed. Disney want her to be treated as a heroic character but she is at best, at least in the clone wars, a ruthless anti-hero who will do whatever she has to secure the survival of a traditional mandalore
Anti-hero? Are you retarded?
The bitch was so far up her own ass that she took to murdering defenseless villagers with a bunch of jagoff terrorists to undermine her sister's efforts to maintain neutrality in a FULL BLOWN CIVIL WAR
That's not even going into the fact she cut and ran to the Republic when Maul defeated Vizla in honorable combat and acquired the Darksaber instead of her.
Dammit, now I'm imagining a Pirate fleet of reclaimed ships from both the empire and the new republic. A patched together star destroyer operating with a fraction of the needed crew, disgorging a mixed squadron of modified tie fighters and xwings.
Would’ve been pretty cool, wouldn’t it! Instead…
Every time I hear a rewrite I feel so depressed. It’s like, I would love to love Star Wars again, and it shows how much fun these shows could be instead of key jangling incomprehensible eye candy.
I felt a great disturbance in the Mandalorian saga, as if thousands of shills suddenly cried out in terror and were suddenly silenced. I fear something terrible has happened. I fear that season 3 has been released...
Droids basically being people means of star wars was basically the story of a young plantation master who sets off on a fun adventure with his two slaves.
Arthur Dent’s quest for tea from the nutrimatic is a perfect analogy for an old Star Wars fan looking for it in the modern day: Disney delivers something that is almost, but not quite, entirely unlike Star Wars.
It makes me really sad because I used to really love this show. From the very moment Mando silently walked into that bar, defeated everyone that gave him shit and then went over to the guy he was after with the iconic "I can bring you in warm or I can bring you in cold..." I was on board. I immediately fell in love with this character and the relationship he had with Grogu.
And seeing just how much it's fallen, to the point where I gave up halfway through season 3, it just is really disappointing. I love empowered and strong female characters, but this is once again the wrong way to do it. Now I feel like I'm just being talked down to yet again by Disney by shoving Bo Katan in last minute.
I can still happily watch a fair bit of Season 1. It was a wonderful premise and a half-decent introduction. But yeah, it became painful pretty quickly after that!
@awhellnah__ Yeah no. I'm not and that's not the problem. It would be a problem if I was still defending it but I'm not.
Their target demographic thinks that "strong" just means physically powerful and incapable of doing wrong or being incorrect, and when a show is changed to appease the fictional modern audience, who are actually just a foul minority, we get horrible characters who cannot admit that they are wrong, in a universe that will never call them out. We would have gotten it much sooner with Rousey's character if she hadn't voiced some tepid fence-sitting sentiment online.
@@TheLittlePlatoon Moreover, Season 1 entirely is just a huge introduction full of little premises. They show us images and pre-characters, relying on people's imagination and experience, that we would extract something from just looking at them, even tho the characters and some themes were never really preestablished by those who created them. It looked welcoming, but nothing welcomed after you enter the door.
On re-watches, Mando season 1 isn't good.
It is fun. It embodies the spirit of what A New Hope was. It captures the imagination.
Season 1 sets up a series that absolutely had potential. But if Disney has mastered anything, it is wasting potential and turning hope into raw sewage ripening in a sunny gutter.
That one badass female trooper (I won't speak her name, I don't want to be cancelled) would have made a great marshal for Greef Karga's town. Too bad Disney cancelled her.
Just say her name, nobody would do a dang thing as they duck out most of the conservation.
Captain Ph-olds-like-a-piece-of-tissue-paper-asma?
Gina Carano, who played Cara Dune. It's a shame that she attempted to appeal to the humanity of leftists.
Gina Carano deserved to be let go from Disney. Cara Dune WAS a great character, and I wish she could've stuck around, but the stuff she was saying on Twitter, the things she was projecting out into the public did not reflect well upon her.
Not just anti-vax sentiment, which is a special kind of dumb. She echoed election conspiracies under the guise of "muh freedom." She compared her plight and the plight of "cancelled" conservative to Jews during the Holocaust. I could go on.
I'm not saying she didn't have the right to say that stuff (even though almost all of it was incredibly, demonstrably wrong). I'm just saying that if you're going to become the face of a major Disney character, you need to pick and chose what you project. Hell, she could have just waited until AFTER the Mandolorian wrapped up to let loose with her righteous-but-persecuted-conservatism. There were a hundred smarter ways she could have spoken her mind. But Disney would anyone go who said the types of things she was saying - I don't care if you're Pedro Pascal or Ewan McGregor or Werner Herzog or Rosario Dawson, Disney is a known entity and we know how they do business.
@@blackpajamas6600 in hindsight Disney did her a favor.... nobody connected with modern Lucasfilm looks to have a long and successful career in their future....
"We have ex-Imperials at every level of government. They all took an oath of loyalty to the New Republic."
They took one to the Empire too.
The problem is that current Disney writers don’t know how to write Complicated or compelling stories or characters with believable loyalties.
They’ve already written that the New Republic has been nothing but a bastion of corruption and stagnation, but failed to deliver as to why it was so.
There are plenty of instances of Regime Changes where governments are replaced or switch loyalties to a new regime, but the Underlying institutions and industries remain unchanged.
Yet Disney’s writers are depicting the entire system of the New Republic as being corrupted by people who served the former government, rather than the new system of government becoming corrupted on its own, because Diswars still has to portray the ‘good guys as good guys”… They’ve Teased and Hinted at opportunities to show Empire Soldiers/Officers/citizens as actual people with goals and motivations, but the always stumble at the last minute and resort to ‘empire am bad” because ‘Nuance is hard, key jangle Better”…
There are so many Heroes in Star Wars Stories that were at one point or another affiliated with the Empire, even Leia Organa’s Adoptive Father was a member of the Imperial Senate. But now anything and everything that has to do with the Empire is in all ways every way evil and bad, and anybody on the good guys side who is corrupt is secretly a greedy imperial sympathizer…
It’s so boring.
I honestly look at this like the Baath party in Iraq or the NSDAP in Germany. True believers are easy to spot/weed out from the people who took an oath to maintain employment at a civil service job.
Totalitarian regimes do this as form of establishing dominance. It isn't all that surprising.
I have to say, thank you. People like you and Drinker have made me realize that it's not enough to just rail against terribly-written shows, movies, and books like this, you really have to make your own stories and worlds that are better than them. I'm not narcissistic enough to think what I've done is a masterpiece or even good, but I know I tried my best.
Effort should always be appreciated. Good for you!
“If you don’t like it, make your own.”
Okay, sounds good to me.
“Wait, come back…”
@@sherlockstreamgamesno
@@thefiendish186agreed there are exceptions, I struggle with choosing my path mainly because I find it morally hard to decide in between two things, or even harder, to somehow balance them out in this „modern“ world; 1. being morally / ethically „good“ after the best ability of my own judgement and 2. being (especially financially / influentially) successful
So I am sure everyone needs to not look very far to find people who DID indeed try to be successful, put in their effort, maybe even „achieved“ a lot of „success“ in their eyes at least, but morally / ethically have done only „bad“ or „wrong“ things in this world, that were only self-serving.
Should that kind of effort be appreciated? Definitely not
I must admit I'm confused about how badly the Republic handled the New Orders return later on, considering they must have only just finished fighting Thrawn. They make the same mistakes all over again in not believing reports of enemy activity and downsizing their military.
Yeah, that’s a point I’ll be raising in the Ahsoka video. I believe we’re still around 30 years short of the Sequels, but even were they to make short work of Thrawn, relapsing within the space of a couple of decades just isn’t really believable.
@@TheLittlePlatoon Remember though, these are the people who "forgot" the Jedi existed within the space of 19 years at most...!
I think the Republic was busy listening to Blue Monday. By the time they finished the song, the New Order was already in power.
@OsellaSquadraCorse This is a huge topic.
The military downsizing may or may not make sense, though. Immediate downsizing has followed most wars I can think of. Despite the Cold War, the US tried to economize around the bomb. Eventually, they did economize around their air force. Meanwhile, they made it law for the defeated nations to disarm.
There's a concept called the peace dividend. This is a savings resulting from military downsizing immediately following the Cold War that stimulated Western economies.
Counter to this, for the Republic the war clearly isn't over.
And finally, to add to this (and drive home the complexity of the subject of decomissioning), France after WW2 did not upsize their military relative to what they had prior to WW2. They did rearm, and they did so with leftover American and German equipment. That is, until they realized panthers were not worth their time and they decommissioned that part of their inventory.
@@OsellaSquadraCorse Yeah that also bothered me. The Star Wars timeline has always been rushed.
What annoys me the most is these shows try to rely on the animated shows, but the writers didn’t watch them so they get major details wrong
Ahsoka doesn’t even have that excuse, though. Filoni made the damn shows!
@@TheLittlePlatoon Agreed, Filoni did a Jake Skywalker to his own characters
They're really gonna just pretend that Sabine is worthy of being a Jedi, when she made a weapon of mass destruction that was used on her own people.
I liked her being trained to use the Darksaber by Kanan. But that's where it should've ended. He wasn't training her to be a Jedi, just use the saber.
@@GhostLink92didn’t they make her, or misused the tech or something?
And yeah I’d be much happier if Sabine were simply able to sort of use the force, and instead of needing to be a Jedi, she could wield the Darksaber and be sort of a dual threat.
I’ve liked Bo Katan but it might even be cool if she had a heel turn and Sabine had to defeat her.
Mostly I’m just sad at how the Ahsoka show made Sabine awful and silly.
@@GhostLink92 Kanan said that Sabine was “blocked”. I took that as “blocked” in her ability to use the Force.
The whole reason Bo Karen gets to be “the one” is because “the force is female,” don’t you know.
2:57:39 with the inclusion of the Night Sisters and their necromancy, we aren't just limited to the corpse of 3P0. It would give Disney the ability to have that scene with Han, Luke, and Leia together on screen that everyone is banging on about.
Don’t give them ideas!
@@TheLittlePlatoonThey could use them by the looks of it. Then again that OG trio dream will probably come off as more of a nightmare in Disney's hands.
The original character of Mando seemed to share a vibe with Worf from Star Trek TNG. Like Worf, he was technically an outsider who knew and followed the code and traditions of his culture better than those that also profess to be more legitimate Mandolorians. His potential rise to ruler of Mandalor with the saber could have set his culture back "on track" reinforcing the traditions that were proven legitimate enough to have survived since their planet's alleged destruction by the Empire. Perhaps he could even bend them just enough to enable the rest of his culture to join him.
Also, like Worf, he enables someone else to take the throne of his people. In Worf's case, Gawron was the right choice over the house of Duras (a treacherous family who were in league with the Romulans), but proven to be a weak leader over time. Perhaps this would have played out similarly with Bo-Katan if the writers had any good sense...and if either they or Disney didn't want to push the story to be more about her than the titular character...
Ah but that would require good writing and not rehashing a failed leadership arc for a 3rd time just because she has “royal blood”
Imagine the timeline where we got a foundling as the new leader of Mandalore. If only. lol
@@Gunnberg85 That would also require Filoni to cease his relentless favouritism and start writing stories in which his characters are actually allowed to be flawed.
I find it hilarious how much of an NPC quest giver Bo Katan was in the first episode of the season to being discussed as the new lead protag by mid season.
As an aspiring creative, i cant state how much i appreciate your analysis on what went wrong and what could have been done to fix it. I learn so much from your videos even down the smallest details on keeping consistency and the adhering to internal logic. You encourage me and others to do more than take a dump on bad media, we need to create media of our own, that exists first and foremost to just be a good story.
That’s very nice to hear. Keep it up!
Along with Drinker, you happen to be my favorite youtuber. Look forward to your reviews, hope you do one for Ahsoka and the remaining Rings of Power. You've helped me appreciate objectivity in storytelling more these days
Ashoka’s coming next! I’m hoping I’ll have time to do the rest of RoP before Season 2 starts.
TLP and Redlettermedia are comfort channels. I usually watch your Barbie video the most for it's pointing out of the inconsistencies.
@@TheLittlePlatoon Honestly I wouldn't bother with the rest of RoP, what more is there to say?
Despot of Antrim also has some great long-form critiques.
@@TravisHi_YTWe get 10 more hours of content. Not complaining.
3:40:20 Man, when you contrast the level of writing in KOTOR 2 with the writing in Mandalorian... It just hits you in the face.
How did Gideon even know SHE had the darksaber and not Mando? Is he reading the script?
I think Gideon saying "this cannot be" to C.O.W. was not denial of the intelligence so much as bad writers using the wrong words to say "This cannot be allowed to happen."
Oh, it could be that, sure. It just seems so vague and out of place and not supported by the acting, etc. I erred on the side of general incompetence as opposed to linguistic incompetence!
If they wanted Paz's death to make sense, they should've had the Jet Troopers and Paz be unable to hurt each other because their weapons can't do shit to each other, so when Paz's gun overheats and he whips out his knife, the troopers just back off, not willing to dignify him with a melee match. Then the Praetorians appear, and one of them fights him one-on-one, and guts him.
Or they coulda had them gang up on him and still give him a badass ending, could do a whole Emile thing where even after getting thoroughly stabbed he finishes off his killer too
@@Abysalss That could work too. ''I'M READY! HOW 'BOUT YOU?
@@HolyknightVader999 yeah like I’m a real sucker for heroic cool deaths, like he wins a fight against one straight up and then 2 v 1s the rest and while killing one of them the other gets a mortal shot on him and he turns it on that guy and takes him with him. It’s a bit goofy and stereotypical but fuck would it be cool while not being total bull
@@HolyknightVader999 ya know after realizing Paz was the chunkylorian and not the dude they had take over bo katans old group after they got disillusioned I take back what I said. They shoulda just let one of them dunk on him
I just cannot get over how *horribly* miscast Rosario Dawson is as Ahsoka. In The Clone Wars and Rebels she was one of the most expressive, feminine, complex, sympathetic, and overall likable characters in the whole show. In live action she's a plank of wood. They took the man-with-tits trope and dialed it up to 50 and broke the knob off. I swear they were *trying* to ruin her. Everything else can be chalked up to lazy writing, but that was just plain vandalism.
They really should have just stuck to making animated series'. They weren't perfect, but at least they were still good.
She was basically cast by the sw fanbase. They had voted her the one to play that character and it seems like Disn went with it hoping it would be appeasing.
😂
@@rottenhead8385no fkn way people voted for that.
@@captainrob9044Not for the portrayal that they got but, for the character they loved to look like her in live action. Is what I am figuring..
Ive had platoon withdrawal for far too long. I was on my last legs rewatching the she hulk video but finally he returns in style.
I still have a few of his videos to watch, so I have that to enjoy.
I was about to die from the withdrawal
"the new republic just kinda forgot that moff giddeon exists"
As much as I like Katee Sackhoff for her previous work in clone wars, Battlestar Galactica and so on. I dunno how feel about her acting in this. She’s either constipated or the guys in charge have told her to be a stoic and largely emotionless robot. Especially in this season.
A part of of me just wants her to break out a cigar say Frak and punch people.
from the little I watched of Ashoka (critics on UA-cam xD) it's the latter
She’s just so dull and stilted in this. Then again, that’s a pretty consistent problem with Disney Star Wars. Nobody is allowed to have fun.
given what an atrocity the 'acting' in ahsoka is, i'm starting to think that's a stylistic choice by someone within Lucasfilm, so maybe Sackhoff has an excuse.
She's great in Longmire. I'd chalk it up to bad direction.
@@shanehudson3995Agreed, Vic is a great character and she does very well with it in Longmire. That show is outstanding compared to Disney Wars
Love the way you rewritten the whole thing at the end. It is almost like if a single person gives a damn, things can actually make sense. 🧡💛🧡
Thank you very much! Yeah, it’s a shocking suggestion I know, but sometimes it really does help if you give a shit about the things you’re writing.
I'm listening to this lying in bed beside my wife trying to suppress my laughter and giggling like an imbecile. Comedy is strong with this episode
I’m sure your wife wouldn’t mind listening. I get on very well with wives ;-)
@@TheLittlePlatoon the room asked what is this garbage and i turned you off. they couldn't figure out why you were crying so much
@@ryank9782 you say this while ur crying all over the comment section
@@AdamCordova_26 nah just laughing at you and his simps
@@TheLittlePlatoon Calm down there, Little Platoon, ya chancer, ya!
I saw 4 hours and 30 minutes, and said "WHAAAT?? I haven't even seen Mandalorian. Eh.. why not." And then I couldn't stop laughing. Thanks Platoon.
imagine...Gideon going through all that trouble to create clones who could wield the force...and Ashoka just establishing anyone can if he just wants it enough. poor sob...he obviously didn't want it enough.
same writiers...i cant even...
They never mention it openly, but at the feast with the two mandalorian factions there are three large birds on cooking spits
Moff Gideon’s plan is especially dumb now that Ahsoka is finished because that show says that ANYONE can learn to use the Force if they just try hard enough so Gideon should’ve just worked harder.
1:21:53 “It isn’t actually referencing events, it is just borrowing nouns” can honestly describe Disney Star Wars as a whole.
One thing to mention as well with dialogue is how they try to make the Armourer sound all "epic and mysterious" but when you boil down her meaninging, its either super plain or actively contradictory.
Take the scene where she tells Bo Katan of the Great Forge and to remove her helmet. She starts by saying that many weapons were formed in the Great Forge and it was a sight to behold. But that her simple, little forge also did the same purpose and founded her clan with the same protection. Hell, it can even work with Beskar so the only thing that the Great Forge seems to have is history. From that, I thought it was going to be her saying why the Way is better than what Bo Katan wants. That they survived due to their lifestyle moving to where they can flourish because they've been without the Great Forge for ages yet are still around whilst Bo Katan, Satine and Pre Vizsla have all lost immensely because they keep clinging to one place rather than focus of their people.
But no! She says that this is a sign that Bo Katan should lead them back. Which changes the dialogue to:
"The Great Forge was a forge. This was a forge too. These are both forges. Now lets go back to Mandalore."
Millions of dollars, everyone.
"The one thing I never had. The Force!"
If you want to have the Force, just train to use it.
ALL OF DISNEY STAR WARS HAS BEEN BUILT AROUND THE IDEA THAT EVERYONE CAN USE THE FORCE!
It's so sad that so much of new media just reminds me of a quote from one of Mauler's videos "Why are you punishing me for thinking?"....
1:50:09 I think this "spark pad" was supposed to be like a matchbook for robots. Because the writers decided to reference the ancient detective show trope of finding a location based on a bar matchbook. Remember when you could not only smoke in bars, but they would give out matchbooks with the bar's name on them? I mean, I don't, because I'm not sixty years old. But apparently it was a thing at one point, unless Mickey Spillane lied to me. And now it's in this Star Wars show!
I missed your reviews
It helped me to improve my writing style and gave me a lot of Ideas in the process.
Remember, praises are good, criticisms are better and both at the same time is god sent...
I loved politics in the SW universe. The idea of political, religious, cultural, traditional and moral beliefs clashing in a galaxy with thousands of planets, species and races combined with the technology that allows for fantastic visual battles is an ideal formula for story telling. REAL LIFE politics getting added into SW is where a lot of people get annoyed. When we say we dont want politics in SW we don't mean no politics full stop we mean no IRL politics in the fictional world. Either way fantastic video mate.
exactly this. why is this so hard for people to understand? in universe politics are engaging and interesting. having contemporary politics half heartedly shoved into our entertainment for no reason other than to preach is where I feel the need to take a hostage.
@@darthgamer9861cuz muh headcannon/fan fiction/ship😂🎉
If I may, what I believe you are saying is that you much prefer the presence of older, foundational, and pragmatic politics in _Star Wars_ to modern, idealistic, inapplicable, and self-congratulating politics. The politics you have referred to continue to exist despite their age because they have been proven to work through vigorous testing across the ages: resource management, border control, national identity, cultural identity, patriotism, solidarity. By definition, politics are an ancient philosophy discussing the best methods by which groups of people are capable of living together, which can encompass a spectrum from mere tolerance to brotherhood and sisterhood. In systems like these, stories naturally spring up because of the depths to which different nations explore and apply these ideas and more.
Modern writers, meanwhile, have only a superficial grasp of how these processes occur and have conditioned themselves to believe more strongly in hyper-individualistic perversions of potentially solid ideals: gender identity, self-expression, self-importance, autonomy, moral equality. By placing their reliance on these concepts in their writing, which can be extremely vague when divorced from context, they may be capable of writing well-defined characters, but they also run the risk of portraying those ideals in something that is less a character and more a mouthpiece. They also blunder their world building, as they fail to realize that what they write for one nation may not be the case in another, as it is with our world. Their experience only pertains to their local environment, which is poison to a creative world rife with possibility.
TL;DR, these writers fail because they write what they know, which is highly personalized, rather than branching out and exploring other possibilities, be they based in reality or otherwise.
Out of every joke in this video I think
“What are midichlorians?”
*”it’s heroin”*
Followed by an awkward pause is what got me the most.
Credit goes to Auralnauts for that one!
The worst part about Teeva finding the covenant is that he helped to save Mandos life. Another aspect of short sighted writing when he could have given Mando a communication device to call on him for a future favor that Mando owes him. Not to mention them valuing selfless actions like the one Mando had taken to save the child. It’s so sad that they can’t even use Chekhovs gun properly in some regards
Excellent video. I assumed the "spark pad" from the droid bar was supposed to be the equivalent of a branded matchbook, which frequently served as a vital clue in older detective stories.
Ah, that could well be where they filched the idea from. Still no reason for droids to have them, but a nice bit of trivia.
My wife was watching that episode in particular with me. During the bar scene, she said, "Wait, so droids are just people? They go to a bar after a hard day and worry about being scrapped? THAT'S AWFUL! Are they slaves? Is this whole society built on droid slavery!?" Well done, dear. That would be the implication, yes.
@awhellnah__ Except in that universe ruining episode they are people. They go to bars after work, have drinks with friends, hit on other bots, worry about the future… they’re sentient individuals in every sense that matters.
I’m not saying they should be, or have ever been presented that way before, but in that episode that’s exactly what they show.
@@professor_artooI mean... they kinda have been though. I'm not saying I agree with the decisions made in that episode, but I feel like whether or not droids are sentient beings has always been a pretty gray area in Star Wars. All the way back in the OT C-3P0 and R-2 have had very distinct personalities, motivations, quirks, and the people around them have treated them as, well, people. Kind of.
@@Lesquidliestone except they specificly reference them having their memories wiped for new owners, implying that if they retain the same personality afterwards, it's something programmed in them, à la Marvin the Paranoid Android and other a.i. equipment in Hitchhiker's Guide.
Jack Black doesn't get flack for being fat because he's actually talanted rather than being a talentless CIA op to push a certain narative and ideology.
Are we sure Greef is more moral to his employees than Lizzo? He DID direct the suddenly pterodactyl episode, which meant he made the Chunkylorian say his lines, he made Pascal & Sackhoff have the conversation about eating with your helmet on, and he made the Nepolorian act like he was being eaten by a Suddenly Pterodactyl after losing a turn-based duel to a cheating puppet.
The funny thing about Gideon's plan is that the Ahsoka series happened, and in that series we see that peoplewith a net-zero connection to The Force can still overtly use it if they *really* want to. Therefore making a cross-species clone to enable the mass use of The Force completely irrelevent. All the clones need to do is try harder, and they can have it too.
I was happy enough with the first 2 seasons of the Mandolorian, wasn’t exactly reinventing the wheel, but it didn’t need to! It came to a natural conclusion, they should’ve just quit while they were ahead! After seeing tonnes of bad reviews, I didn’t bother with season 3, seems like I saved myself some time
Mando is an inconsistent character, has no personality, is stupid, and has literal plot armour. What a huge waste of Pascal's talents.
they didn't even have to quit, they were at a perfect junction to dump the little gremlin and stop backdooring a pilot every other episode. They could have complete reset with Mando, having realized how aimless his life had become thanks to his experiences with baby yoda, actually deciding to do something with his life. Get the story on to some sort of track and actually give the show a purpose.
but no, they had to choke to death on memberberries instead because there is nobody with talent left at Lucasfilm....
Yea, Lucas was always vague on travel time. When Stackpole was writing the X-Wing novels he asked how long it would take to travel and he was told it took as long as he wanted it to take. To have stable travel times, he used the travel times used in a Star Wars role playing game.
Wait Mandalor got nuked only six years ago.
But middle aged Mandalorian has been a Mandalorian since he was a child orphan?
Why does he act like he only knows of Mandalor from stories.
He's older than most the other Mandos we meet in the show.
Why did he never get baptised on Mandalor before it fell.
God, I’d have to go back to Season 1, but I think the Children of the Watch (the cult he’s part of) left Mandalore long ago. He was picked up by them during a battle in the Clone Wars and became a foundling, so he was never baptised on Mandalore and had only heard about it second-hand.
At least I think that’s his backstory.
We're back in that weird version of _Star Wars_ where nobody has any sort of data security and they don't habitually factory reset a droid before sale, aren't we? Heck, it's supposedly a standard part of droid preventative maintenance to do so. R2-D2 and CH1-10PR are both unusual (in part) because they've gone decades without the usual mindwipes.
Point is, R5 _should_ have no memory of ever being owned by the New Republic aside from being packed off for resale. You could argue, one supposes, that Amy Sedaris is a proponent of droid rights, and wouldn't have wiped the droid that she'd acquired as salvage.. except she's still apparently _selling_ the droid.
There is, of course, another option: the New Republic is releasing it's surplus droids out into the world as spies, in which case Mando's previously expressed opinions on droids is more justified, since R5 betrayed him to the New Republic. (Scratch that; no matter how unlikely that chain of events* was, we _know_ R5 betrayed Mando to the New Republic.) How a pilot (even a squadron commander) out in the middle of BFE got his hands on that intelligence stream, much less dug useful information out of it in a reasonable timeframe, is left as an exercise for the reader.
*Whichever chain it happens to be.
The B1 battle droid’s “cartoon” voice is actually from Revenge of the Sith, where they are also voiced by Matthew Wood.
I may have got my timelines mixed up - reffing the 03 rather than the 08 cartoon. The point stands, though. It was a dumb decision and it’s George’s fault.
It’s interesting talking about cloning with Force Sensitivity thanks to Ahsoka, you don’t need to work with the medicalorians anymore, everyone’s practically force sensitive, ig Gideon didn’t want it enough..
They really wasted Giancarlo, which I think is worse than every other sin disney starwars has commited.
I cant belive these writers want a raise 😂😂
Exposing thousands of people to a AI image of Jack Black in a bikini has made this video legendary forever.
On the religious nature of the show (or more specifically the Jewish nature of the Mandalorians), the one thing that always stood out to me was the line that Mando's clan always says, "This is the way." The early Christians were originally called "Followers of The Way", "Belonging to The Way" or sometimes just "The Way". But "The Way" doesn't refer to a creed but to Jesus Himself who called himself, "The Way".
Conclusion: If Mando's clan are "Jewish" and if they follow "Jesus", then does that make them the Star Wars version of "Jews for Jesus"? Maybe I'm putting more thought into this than the writers did.
Your "Fixing Disney Star Wars" segment at the end just makes me wish that you, MauLer, and Drinker had full creative control of Star Wars and everything else that Disney owns.
Also, I'm glad I'm not the only one who was driven crazy by the battle droids sounding so goofy post-Attack of the Clones.
Anyway, phenomenal work as always! Your videos are always worth the wait. :)
Agreed, it’s baffling given how important planning is to success that practically none of Disney Star Wars gave any of their projects much thought before rushing them out (I suspect some of this is due to the poor leadership and behind the scenes drama but still). You would think a multi billion dollar franchise would warrant a little more thought. Platoons outline also has the benefit in my view of not directly trampling over old EU material, and consisting largely of new characters from the Filoni-verse and Favrou who can be molded into whatever they want without implicating for lack of a better word OT or Prequel favorites in unbefitting ways like the sequels did.
I was aware of the series, because I watched all the reviews and the first part of this video. Appart from that my brother made me watch the last two episodes of the season saying that those were the most "Star Wars". I remember someting Mauler said in his Game of Thrones review where he said:
"There comes a time in all forms of media consumption where you are so utterly bewildered by an event taking place that there are so many things wrong with it that you don't have words and you simply laugh..."
I had that moment when Muff Gideon landed wearing that armor. It was the moment when I realized he had no plan, he used everyone else's plans and it hit me like a reference cascade, just like The Italian Job movie from 2003, the antagonist Steve had no idea what to do with the gold he copied everyone else's ideas.
I've seen a lot of channels offer suggestions on how to fix / rewrite a story, but this may be the first time I've seen someone break down how they'd rewrite and cut a series down into a single season to save / put time and resources to better use.
Very cool to see, guy. Cheers!
I've never been a fan of droids being sentient. It opens a gigantic can of immersion ruining worms.
When Disney's Mandalorians make you miss the Mandalorians in the old EU written works of Karen Traviss, you know it's really freaking bad.
Eh they bothered me less than Denning's obsession with the barabels. Goddamn I wanted to kill off the Jedi master barabel he created in the least awesome way I could think off and have no one miss her in the process if I had ever wrote a SW book.
I still don’t get why Favreau felt the need to vocally parallel Mandalorians with any real-world religion. That just makes it awkward to talk about. Especially when I was hoping Season 3 was gonna be more critical of the cultish mandos with Din Djarin finally moving away from the Deathwatch. Just really weird on Favreau’s part
It is a testament to platoon’s perceptive wit and delightful delivery that I have listened to this lengthy tale having never watched the mandalorian and having all but given up on Disney Star Wars in its entirety. Very entertaining and much more so than the show I am sure.
I love how little platoon will make a 4 and a half hour video essay meticulously critiquing a television show and then just put "THIS SUCKS" on the thumbnail
I did *try* and think of something more witty. But once you’ve spent 7.5 hours video-time with The Mandalorian, you kinda run out of patience.
There were times watching Mando where I would often think "Gee this would make for a much more exciting video game"
I have a question, why does the blacksmith get to make these choices about who is and isn't the chosen one or whatever instead of the leader, chief person?
I look forward to the 20 hour video about Asoka that I assume is on its way next!
The whole thing with the peacekeeping zone just reminds me of a real sign I see in my town that’s labeled “drug free school zone”. It unintentionally implies the presence of non drug free school zones, which I find hilarious.
1:14:00: How in the hell did Kathleen Kennedy get to this point? From Spielberg's secretary, to "producer," to head of Lucasfilm, and screwing over George Lucas? She's ruined all Lucasfilm properties; Willow, Indiana Jones, and Star Wars, yet she is still employed. Mind-boggling!!!🤷🏽♀️
1) She probably has dirt on important people.
2) She has been in the industry for years. She would have made friends and be owed favors.
3) Firing probably the best known woman head of a studio in the era of DEI would look bad for all the crazy leftists who don't like hiring people and keeping people for more than their biology.
She isn't young anymore and maybe Disney will just not extend her contract and everyone will agree to pretend KK is retiring after what everyone will say is a lifetime of great achievement. Which if you like destroying a proven money maker like SW than they would not be wrong.
Here is my fix for medichlorians; they are tiny beings which are drawn to the force and so they congregate in high numbers in beings with a lot of the force flowing through them. They don't create force sensitivity, they just are a metric to tell how powerful someone is. The more in tune a person is with the force, the more medichlorians will be attracted to them and the higher their count will be.
That works. Or you could say their a kind of biological byproduct from a person being force sensitive. In other words, contact with The Force is was causes the creation of midichlorians in the first place. More contact = more midichlorians
Platoon, you've quickly become my favorite youtube content creator on this entirely platform replacing even the Longman himself.
Hats off, sir.
Can't remember if Hondo and crew was established as being part of the Pirate Nation in the Clone Wars and Rebels, but I agree that I wanted to hear more the Pirate Nation, its inner workings and if a loved animated character is involved .
1:08:25 nah you see the problem is that Mando has dangly bits so he can't POSSIBLY be the Messiah
Speaking of things not every effective against Beskar, I'm pretty sure you shouldn't be able to squash a Beskar hilt with your bare hands.
So, a little while back, Mauler spoke about how Star Wars "cannot grow up," and I feel like just the premise of The Mandalorian is proof of that- on first blush, it bears hallmarks of "Lone Wolf and Cub." This is a fairly common setup in films. Heck, a film I like a lot, "Sword of the Stranger" is a "Lone Wolf and Cub" redux, after a fashion. But the major conceit of the story as it progresses is meant to be the nature of this story of taking an innocent into a world of bloodshed and violence, and letting those characters react and respond to the scenario.
The problem is... Baby Yoda isn't a character, and the scenarios that Mando takes him into are not really all that violent. Baby Yoda is more of a plot device, with little to no character to speak of, and the Mando - even in the first season - is little better. And the scenarios they find themselves in are fairly bland and boiler-plate, easily addressed in most situations. Heck, even the "grim moment" where Mando shoots his fellow hitman is toothless, because it's a robot. At _least_ Han actually shot and killed another living, breathing being.
Does this mean that I want Star Wars to be some super-dark Berserk-style setting? No. But I _do_ want it to have teeth, if it's going to play within certain settings. And Westerns - which is what Mando is supposed to be - have teeth. Films like "A Fistful of Dollars," "The Man With No Name," and especially "Once Upon a Time in The West" all carry the air of dangerous men in a dangerous time. And the Western is the contemporary to the Samurai story. If Mando wanted to be _really_ good, then it needs to stop being afraid of being serious and mature. It needs to grow up, a little.
Also. "They don't fly, now!"
I remember when all the optimists were so sure that the season was going to mirror the Arthurian legends whereby Mando would save his people and become like a Mandalorian King Arthur, with the Dark Saber being his Excalibur. For like two seconds, I thought they might actually be going that route when we saw the mythosaur. It WOULD have been epic if they had done that, but as always, that was expecting too much out of the writers. Pre-sapient levels of intelligence seems to be a job requirement for screen writers these days.
Hats off to the editing! It’s obvious a lot of hard work and attention to detail went into it.
I’m disappointed in both Jack Black and Christopher Lloyd for getting involved in this mess.
The goal of Groggu is to bring more merch every season