Difficult IFR flight - PA28 Biggin Hill to Leicester
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- Опубліковано 2 лют 2018
- The Flying Reporter takes off in IMC at Biggin Hill, to land in the sunshine at Leicester. The flight includes an IFR Class D zone transit of the Luton CTR.
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Very professional, very calm. Most impressed. IFR certainly makes the old heart pump a bit!
I only ever flew one IMC in Casper, Wyoming but under instruction. Over in the US, they used to (not sure if they do anymore) fly;
1. 1 hour IMC
2. 1 hour night in the circuit
3. 1 hour night cross-country.
...all, under instruction.
I absolutely loved IMC and I can't wait to start it here.
Nice flying Jon, I really enjoyed that one. Great to see the process transiting through Luton. Looking forward to the return leg.
Cheers Stefan.
Another great video Jon. Not only are you very informative, but your production values themselves are top notch. Well done!
Cheers Jon.
Thank you for posting. There are a lot of young aviation you tubers with big subscriptions who could learn a lot about general aviation by watching this fledgling IFR pilot doing things the right way.
Thank you.
Great video, well done. That Piper is a beauty.
I hope that if anyone says "But you just fly a little plane?", you just smile sweetly back.
This video was thoroughly enjoyable - one of your best.
Cheers Peter.
Brilliant John, I'm just refreshing myself for IMC and this series is right on the money. Top marks
You will enjoy my latest vid then! I see you have just signed up, so you can watch that now!!
Excellent as always probably my favourite so far, very informative and good to see an ifr flight.
Cheers Byron.
Well done with this flight Jon. A lot to take on and although hard work, you still made it look relatively easy. Thank you for another professional video.
Thanks Kevin.
Bloody hell Jon made me exhausted just watching you fly that but one of the best vids and so professionally done (as always)
Cheers David!
Great job. A looooot of work especially without autopilot and you aced it. Agree with your wrap up statement about using the IFRr ticket to keep up the skills. Douglas Boyd commercial single/multi engine land/IFR
Very good Jon. Looking forward to doing IRR.
Brilliant video, thanks for posting - the attention to detail if fantastic
Thanks for watching Andrew.
May have been difficult for you Jon, but you made it look easy to us watching! Just shows how accomplished you actually are at IFR. Very brave of you taking the flight on alone, and I’m sure it will pay dividends for you in your future flying.
Thank you for this video series. I've hand flown IFR only a few times and it's a lot of work. Stressing to say the least. It's a good to get the rating because weather can change up fast. I always have a plan b or if necessary. Again thank you. I always learn something new, something to add to my flights.
Cheers Gary.
great, lot of detail
Liked this video a while back when you first published. Taking a second look as I'm now changing from my C172 to a PA28 to do my IR(r).
Still found throughout most of this flight I was feeling anxious as though in the left seat myself.
Thanks for sharing Jon. A very helpful insight into how to develop your awareness and capacity by pushing towards saturation. Felt relieved when I saw the familiar visual approach to R28 into Leicester - like a warm shiny beacon of home. Sorry to hear about Biggin, but all the best with Redhill.
Thanks Toffy. Good luck with the Ir(r)...it's a super duper rating.
Another excellent video! I always learn something from your videos. Many thanks!
Cheers Ricci.
Really enjoyed watching this one. Great video, thanks for posting.
Cheers Steve.
Thanks for the channel Jon. Enjoyed watching this one - bit of a work out! I pop over to watch you’re videos as I miss flying on my PPL(A), must get back into it! Regards from Scotland.
Thanks Jamie.
Great video Jon, very relevant to my current IMC rating learning 👍🏻
Cool!
Excellent video and very informative - learned something new, thank you for that. 👍
Excellent, thank you.
pleasure.
I'm impressed!
I've hand-flown IFR but only under a hood, never IMC. I could hear the tension.
It's hard work!
Absolutely excellent video showing real-world IFR in UK’s unique ATC environment (where things are not quite as simple and joined up as in the US with it’s Flight Following etc). In fact, without local knowledge (now including some obscure new NATS website for advising Class D crossing requirements) in addition to a regular flight plan, is it any wonder our American and other foreign brethren find it a tad confusing to fly here?!
Thanks Andy. No wonder at all.
Another fantastic video, totally agree with your final point, I was awarded my IR(R) at the end of last year and I'm really looking forward to using it in anger once the freezing level climbs!
It's the biggest problem at this time of year...
great video thank you and well done
Thanks Lars.
Your closing comment is bang on. Well done Jon. I shall look forward to sharing the skies with you in may/June when I start my PPL at Denham. Keep up the great editing/music content style; very BBC (cannot think why)
Thanks for the support.
Amazing vídeo. Só much cameras. Good job!
thanks!
Class stuff. That was very educational.
Thanks Mark.
Wow! As Alex Ferguson used to say, 'squeaky bum time'! Well done, that was a great video
Hah! Thanks
Great video. I’m watching from NZ!
Thanks Jaron.
That looked extremely 'full on' for you but also very smooth. Great video.
Rory On Air Hi Rory just missed you at Barton on Friday morning but caught up with the Mainair team. Best wishes Jason.
Jason R Wilkinson ah sorry Jason. Hopefully catch you next time.
Superb. Many thanks for sharing your wonderful experiences - much appreciated.
As someone who also flies from Biggin, it's lovely to see those familiar sights on video.
A huge tip - if you are going to fly regularly in IMC, you really need an autopilot as this removes 80% of the workload, leaving you to concentrate on all the other stuff.
Hand flying is best (in my view) practiced on a simulator, where it's safer!
If you'd like to do a video from an airways flight, let me know (!)
Thanks David. That would be nice David. Let me know when you have a spare seat.
I was very happy when you arrived at Leicester.
I was a bit too!
Jon, great work in IMC, I certainly get my sweat on when there's no forward vis! Your last comment about the IMC as a 'get out of safety' rating, couldn't agree more! It's a rating for a reason, used sensibly and you gain crucial skills. Off to Jersey next week but the weather is looking iffy, hoping for some victor mike on top. P.S. enjoying the mini series too.
Hope you manage to get to Jersey. Monday is looking promising.
Great flight. I am a recently qualified ppl based at Redhill. Instrument flight is something I am keen to master one day. Impressive stuff thank you for sharing :-)
Cheers Aeryn.
Great video as always! Looking forward to start my IR soon as well. Makes you a safer pilot. Greetings from EDRY!
Thanks!
Your airspace situation over there is mental. In the US, we often file IFR to eliminate worrying about airspace restrictions. If you're on an IFR flight plan over here, you just do as you're told; all the airspace lines just disappear. This flight was great, for someone who doesn't fly IMC often and with the added workload of all that wholly unnecessary dodging and weaving, you did a fantastic job.
Cheers. Yes, it's a bit crazy.
Wow flying IFR in the UK seems considerably more complicated than in the US. Nice to see how you guys do it across the pond!
It is with an IR(r) which I have. A full IR would be easier, but the full IR over here is very costly.
Probably a bit out of date now, but I noted you checked Ts and Ps while lining up and after rotation - worth checking them at the same point as your "airspeed alive" call, as realistically if it's going to be a problem that's when it'll happen (before you go to full power it's unlikely, and after rotation it might be too late)
My favourite video thus far! You can really hear your strain through your voice over the radio. Any chance of a small video about the A20? The ones available seem biased and not to the production quality of your videos
Because of my job, I have to be careful re products and endorsements etc...
The Flying Reporter ah of course. Not possible for an unbiased review with a disclaimer?
Another fantastic video Jon. I also have the IR(r) rating and need to follow your example and get more practise in real world IMC rather than under the hood! (Despite the Big Sky safety stats I do get a bit concerned about fling IMC in class G with only a "subject to this and that" traffic service.) I read your reply to the comment below regarding using the autopilot. I fly a PA28 with the same autopilot and whilst it will follow a gps / vloc track from the 430 I find it is just as easy to fly it in heading mode making fine adjustments as necessary. So if your AP works in heading mode I would definitely recommend using it when things get busy, or all the time. I find the reduction in workload it provides surprisingly significant. Plus I don't have to worry about returning to my instrument scan after a bit of nav/comm tuning to see a 30 degree bank angle! lol
Thanks Geoff. I need to try out our autopilot in benign conditions, and see how it behaves...Apparently works in hdg mode.
Brilliant video Jon and great comms with ATC. I agree with your comments that you should exercise your privileges under IR(R) otherwise what's the point. Just feel you're let down by no flight plan which enables support from London Control so you're exposed to undue risk due height and ATC restrictions which doesn't seem appropriate when in IMC with other traffic. Think you've really optimised the camera angles for a great view. Appreciate the effort you put into these videos alongside your day job!
Hi Jason. Unfortunately a flight plan wouldn't have helped, and I'm not entitled to use the airspace London Control look after. An IR(r) holder cannot access Class A airspace.
Great video, thank you for sharing. I wonder if London would have been happy to have you a little higher if you had a full IR?
This video also made me very grateful that I fly an aircraft with an autopilot. It makes IMC days like this so much easier when you can focus on the radio and nav and let the aircraft fly itself.
Couldn't agree more that those with IR(R) on their license should get out and use it. Finding yourself in IMC and needing to fly an approach to minimums 23 months after your last renewal doesn't seem like it would end well.
Dan, I'm sure I could have got higher, on a different routing if I had a full IR, and filed an IFR flight plan.
U.S. IFR pilot here. Wow, I have a lot of respect for you. Hand flying and what seemed like constant frequency and transponder code changes. Lots of radio talking required. // If you flew IFR in the U.S. you would feel like you were on vacation. Went 700 NM last week, same transponder code the whole way. Simple GPS point to point just going around some military restricted space. Your complete hand off is done controller to controller. You just switch frequencies and say your call sign level 8,000 feet. Great flight!
Thanks Charles. This isn't your typical IFR flight, as I'm on a restricted rating, which is an inferior qualification to the full IR. Perversely, it's somewhat harder to fly this way, than if on a full IR, as you're pretty much on your own, weaving around controlled airspace, outside of the airway/controlled system.
Hi love the video! I'd really like to see some POV flying as there's not that much of that camera angle used in UK videos and I think it's a lot more immersive than just fixed cameras. Just a suggestion but keep up the good work! Cheers
Thank you.
That was first class, thank you.
Hat off to your skills. Nice video. Was wondering was this related to your mini series that you are releasing every Saturday. The route you flew was more or less the same as the other one (except you didn't go as far as sherburn airfield)
I was trying to get up to Sherburn, but the warm front stopped me from going the full hog. Hoping to get the Sherburn flight done asap!
Thoroughly enjoyable video of your flight, makes this flight simmer wish he wasn't afraid of heights and try it for real ;-)
CHeers Graeme.
Finally Jon has got a Bose headset! I Can’t fly without mine
I know. I had to save and save....
That was a great video John. The ir(r) is a great rating and you just showed how useful it is here. Brilliant.. By the way did yoiu consider a london city zone transit (also class D
It's a bit congested around there, so prefer not to.
Great vid thanks! Can you tell me how you filled the ifr flight plan please? Was it in skydemon? I heard that outside controlled airspace ifr flight plans were pointless. So wat is benefit as you aren't allowed in class a with ir(r)? Thanks
No flight plan filed, apart from the abbreviated flight plans over the radio, and the NATS pre notification via their website.
The Flying Reporter ok thank you
Where do you find your weather forecasts you showed at the beginning? Great video.
This page has links to the various weather resources I use. www.jonhunt.net/2018/01/mini-series-pre-flight-preparation/
Great video Jon. I'm an under practised and expired IR(R) holder. How do you feel being under a Basic Service (rather than Traffic or Deconfliction) when IFR in IMC outside of controlled airspace? I understand non radar units can only offer a Basic but obviously you can't practice "see and avoid" for traffic avoidance.
You do what you have to do, and get the best service you can. I've yet to ask for a deconfliction service, because I imagine I'd be vectored all over the place to be honest, but I wouldn't hesitate to request avoidance headings if the traffic was a real conflict. I often try to route in airspace where I can get a radar service, but there are gaps. It's a big sky, but there are risks.
Another great video! And really nice editing - how do you find the time, with work commitments!?
Currently work part time...soon to return full time...we shall see!
Worth the upgrade to the Bose A20s? I'm thinking about it.. Cracking video as always
So far so good. Yet to try them on a really long leg.
Nice video! I just got my IFR rating and fly in the US. Question, you changed your squawk code several times enroute. Is that typical as you transition airspace? Sorry, not familiar w/ your airspace rules. Thanks.
It is for IFR outside controlled airspace in the UK, if not on a proper IFR flight plan. My instrument rating is restricted, and so I don't have access to the airspace where you'd be under proper control, such as the airways etc.
You overflew Cranfield, EGTC, I might have heard you passing above me!
Yes, I was talking to them.
I like watching your videos. As a pilot in the US it is interesting to see the differences between flying in the US and anywhere else. When we get our instrument rating in the US it is not restricted. We can do as little or as much with it as we wish. If you want to fly your first approach to minimums in hard IMC then go for it. I am curious as to the difference between your restricted IR and your full IR. I could google it but if you have a video explaining the difference...??? Thank you for your videos. I am a commercial rated pilot with about 1700 hours of flight time and I really do enjoy your videos. Not only are they very well made and produced but they provide a glimpse into how things are done over in the UK and I find that very interesting. Thanks again for your great work.
Hi Greg. For the full IR you need to do pretty much the ATPL studies for the following subjects: Air law, Aircraft general knowledge - instrumentation, Flight performance and monitoring, Human performance, Meteorology, Radio navigation, IFR communications. You then need 55 hours of practical training. The IR(r) is a 15 hour course, with a very slimmed down theoretical knowledge exam, and a flight test. It is only valid in the UK, (which obviously suffers from inclement weather quite a lot) and allows you fly down to the IR minima, but it's recommended that you apply more conservative minima (ie +200ft, with absolute min on a precision approach of 500ft). Minimum vis for take off and landing 1500m. You also can't fly in class A airpspace, which means the airways and the TMAs are out of bounds. It's a very useful rating for the UK climate, but many people see it just as a 'get out of jail' card. If the skills are regularly practised, there is no reason why you can't use it more extensively, as I do.
Thanks very much for the explanation.
Interesting. Thank you for the explanation.
Very impressive all round. Gutsy too.
More so for the return!
What is the Cicada like sound that can be heard from time to time ?
Is it my iPad warning of traffic/upcoming airspace etc.
Hi Jon, another great video and as others say below, where do you get the time from to edit the amount of footage that you end up with!!! Please make a video from mounting the cameras all the way through to editing and final video, would be great to see, but then, that's just asking for more of your precious time :-). I would very much like to get my IMC (R) further down the road and fully agree with your comment, there is no point waiting till you need to use it to make sure that you still have the skills at the right level, like anything, currency is key. Keep them coming
Cheers Keith. The camera/editing idea is on the list.
Just a quick question from someone who doesn’t fly in the London area, is there a reason you don’t request a transit of London City? Is it a glide clear issue or just not a chance of getting it? (I’m a controller too)
There is a glide clear issue, certainly west of City. You can just above go overhead, but I don't like to, it's tight from a glide clear point of view. Even on vectors to BIggin, east of City, in the city zone, it's quite congested.
The Flying Reporter Ok that’s a fair point, just didn’t envy the dogleg around the CTR. 👍🏻
+slingsbyt67 oh, it's a pain.
Well flown John and I agree IRr wise. Get out of jail card won't work unless you're current.
Cheers Andy.
Hey sir. My name is Kanu. Just discover your channel not too long ago and I’ve been following you video since then. I have learned a thing or two from watching your video. I just started my commercial training and i want to video record my flight for debriefing and also for me to share with other aviators. Could you please tell me the name of the type mount you are using in your video? Including the ceiling mount. The one I have is ready difficult to mount in the piper warrior that I’m doing my training in. Appreciate your help.
Please can you check out my FAQs at www.jonhunt.net/ Thanks.
Hello Sir. Thanks for the info. I read your faq but I did not find the information I was looking for. You mentioned exterior mount but I’m asking about your interial mounts. Thanks. The Flying reporter
The Flying Reporter Hello Sir. Thanks for the info. I read your faq but I did not find the information I was looking for. You mentioned exterior mount but I’m asking about your interial mounts. Thanks.
The ceiling mount is just a gopro shoe mount that comes with every go pro camera, stuck the ceiling of the aeroplane - obviously, you'd need to check with your aeroplane operator before doing so, as they are very difficult to remove afterwards. I also use the gopro suction cup mounts, and another shoe mount just under the dash.
3 hard, 2 grass runways at Leicester Airport and looks colourful
Leicester was a nice aerodrome.
Why don’t you program the 430 to remind you on fuel tank switches? You would retain the “ 12 minutes” on the left tank when you landed when you fire her up again if you don’t refuel. If you are imc it seems crazy to add fuel tank switch timing to non precision approaches, holds, etc. my 2 cents
My ipad reminds me of the fuel switch.
I misunderstood the edit i guess, Better than a stopwatch for sure. Not as robust as the primary garmin device.....set and forget.....never uns out of battery or gets left at home....
Hi can I ask why you don’t file a IFR flight plan instead of bumbling around at 2400 feet
That’s really interesting...Didn’t know a Restricted IFR Cert existed..What’s the difference in training from a Full IFR rating vs Restricted? Seems kind of crazy to offer a restricted rating , as I would think they would want everyone to have a a full rating...Thanks for the info and safe flying.
It's a feature of our climate. We have a lot of IMC days! Some thing the rating is designed to 'get you out of trouble', although there's nothing official. It allows you to fly in IMC in all but Class A airspace (which we have quite a lot of in parts of the UK - especially around London). You can fly procedures etc. The theoretical knowledge studies/exams are very light, and the practical training very short. We can only use it in UK airspace.
Do you operate your aircraft as a share and create your videos when utilising your time in the aircraft or do you own and operate it wholly by yourself?
I own 1/6th of the aeroplane.
Thanks for the information. Have your economics changed significantly since leaving Biggin Hill?
Very slightly overall. We took up Hangarage which was more expensive...fuel, landings cheaper.
Thanks veru much for your videos, they are very informative especially for someone like me who is about to embark on the journey to a PPL.
The Flying Reporter do you intend on making videos to assist people who would like to venture into aircraft ownership in part or full? It would be I retesting to understand the added negotiations or pressures associated with use of allocated time or owners maintenance
I thought 7000 was a VFR squawk only? is it because you are outside of controlled airspace? I'm an armchair pilot only, so excuse me for any stupid questions. Nice video, as always!
+TumzDK 7000 is a conspicuity squawk, can be used regardless of flight rules in the UK.
Thank you for your answer :-)
I passed my IMC test last weekend, good to see you using it properly and I couldn't agree more regarding using it properly. Two little points: I think you could do with pumping up your tyres a little bit perhaps? And secondly, why don't you use the autopilot in IMC, I understand it's quite a basic one but I'd imagine it would help the workload - is it not certified in IMC? Oliver.
Thanks. The autopilot is not in great shape sadly. I think it can handle headings..that's about it.
1:37 Do mean "expecting to go into IFR" or IMC?
Or did you take off VFR?
no, i meant IMC. slip of the tongue, but i guessed viewers would realise that.
Thanks for making the video!
Not everyone is a pilot, although I am familiar with most of the basic terms used, I didn't figure out it was supposed to be IMC. (by coincident I read this comment.) A minor note/caption would have been really helpful :)
But i don't want to be too picky, you make some great videos which show a realistic view of flying. And you channel among with others like 'Friendly Skies' made me have an increased interest in flying as a recreational pilot. Going to have an introduction lesson next week!
Thank you for all the time and effort you put in! Much appreciated! :D
Greetings from The Netherlands! :)
haha....Deepak creeps into your videos too. 6:00
I recognised his dulcet tones. Where is he based?
Does your ipad have built in GPS or do you connect it to an external GPS?
It has GPS, but I also connect to pilot aware which has its own GPS.
Why not just ask to fly higher? You're already IFR so it seems you should be allowed into the LTMA.
Not with only an IR(r) rating. You need a full IR to use Class A airspace.
The Flying Reporter of course thank you. Looking forward to your video "getting my full IR" 😉
I wish. That is a mountain to climb over here.
Did I spy an auto pilot in the aircraft?
Definitely a much different IFR System then here in the states..An IFR flight here , we file to get in the system , contact ATC or Flight Services to get our clearance , and then we are with ATC immediately, with a clearance, Squawk code etc.. Seems like there’s a bunch of extra things you have to think about in your IFR system, which triples your work load. I can’t believe you have to request service during an IFR flight , especially while you are in IMC. Seems to be an antiquated system compared to ours. Or perhaps I just don’t understand your system ? Also, here, we could request higher to get above the clouds ..9 out of 10 times , they will give you higher...Just flew IFR to Ocean City New Jersey last Thursday and just before Philadelphia airspace, ATC cleared us direct to Ocean City, right through their Class Bravo airspace. Having said all of that, great job hand flying...I don’t have an Autopilot in my Cherokee , but do have an old AutoFlite Wing leveler if I need it,..Hand flying is definitely stressful in the soup , but great practice..Keeps is sharp !
Hi Gary. I fly IFR in a restricted instrument rating, which doesn't allow me the same privileges as a full IR, hence why I have to take such odd routings, and get whatever service I can get from ATC. Ironically, even though I have an inferior rating, that I didn't have to do too much training for, relatively speaking, it's probably harder work! With a full IR, you could fly as you do in the US.
Why do you use oh instead of zero? Is there something wrong with your brain? Dont do that again. Zero is a word and a number.