@@MM-ft2pvHe did, but I really hope both that Lemmino understands how extremely different VTH is from degens like xQc and Hassan through his incredible input, but I also hope VTH is asking Lemmino to upload this. Lemminos big issue with this was that people like xQc, and unfortunately, people like VTH are uploading the entire vid
I would argue much better than TV documentary quality. Most TV documentaries have a clear bias they are trying to push, especially American made TV documentaries. I mean look no further than the History Channel and their endless garbage to prove my point. This guy isn’t American, not even from this hemisphere, so he has no bias to offer, no invested interest to spin this one way or another. That makes his conclusions automatically more credible than any American made documentary given how problematic American made documentaries are.
@@Fulmenn 🤦🏼♂️ hemisphere is NOT just a north/south split. You can also split the planet into east/west hemispheres. Never heard of the Western Hemisphere?… more commonly known as America, or the Americas. Don’t correct people who aren’t wrong, you look ridiculous doing so.
People are talking about how Lemmino doesn’t like people reacting to his videos, but I think there’s a big difference between VTH actually adding insightful input and garbage streamers like Xqc who just sit there struggling to form a thought and are even disrespectful enough to keep the video playing when they go to the bathroom.
8th generation Texan here- My grandfather was there. He worked in a factory downtown, and they found out the president was coming close by so his boss let a group of them go see him. My grandmother was at home with my dad, who was born that July 4th. My grandfather said he ducked when he heard the shots like everybody else. He heard 3 shots. But the last 2 sounded different from the 1st one, so he thought it was police shooting back at somebody who shot the 1st shot. After the scatter, and things died down a little, he walked back to work with his group, called my grandmother at a pay phone to let her know what happen, but she was already listening on the radio. He finished his work day like normal, and went back to his life. Their great grandchildren are still here.
One of my favs. He's a bit too smug and condescending about it to change the minds of any conspiracy believers, but I think his video very thoroughly breaks down why all these conspiracy theories are pure nonsense.
I think you nailed it with your observation about actually experiencing Dealey Plaza. In my youth, I definitely leaned towards conspiracy on this subject. However, actually going there and standing in that spot changed my view. The whole area is actually quite intimate. It all looks much larger in the old grainy footage from the time. I enjoy your channel!. Subscribed.
Wow! I agree whole heatedly that Qawald could have fired the three shots in 6 seconds even with a surplus mail order junk rifle when he hadn't fired a rifle in four years at a moving target that he could have shot two minutes earlier on Houston Street dead on and closer. Oswald however could not have fired the 2nd and 3rd shots that were 1.6 seconds apart with a bolt action rifle. Sorry can't operate the bolt in 1.6 seconds. Also one bullet was a full metal jacket and one was a fragmentation round. Two different types of ammo but three shell casings the were identical were found. So Oswald fired a bullet that doesn't exist in an amount of time that cannot happen ? He was surrounded by documented intelligence assets served on a CIA base in the military, is documented as an FBI informant and made his last phone call to his cut out ( look up what that is) and was arrested with 2 halfs of 2 different 1 dollar bills ( look that up also) and had a minox sealed film canister camera made exclusivly for the CIA and not sold to the public (as did Michael Paiyne), and has family members employed by the CIA ( the Murrets) . All coincidences? Yeah that checks out.
@@timinla64I think you can say that Oswald wasn’t at least solely responsible, without saying who was… it is impossible to fire that weapon twice in less than 2 seconds. That just shows that he was not the lone gunman. Also, anyone with any sort of common sense knows that the magic bullet theory is ludicrous. That one fact and one theory debunk that Oswald was not a lone assassin.
I didn’t know that you had reacted to a bunch of Lemmino videos, well there goes my afternoon! I actually met Marina Oswald multiple times as a child. She ran an army/navy surplus store in Dallas that I used to go to (I was obsessed with the military when I was young). My parents only told me years later that the owner (who often ran the register) was actually Lee Harvey Oswald’s wife. I recall her being a kind old lady who enjoyed having a youngster come around so often.
I don’t necessarily agree with your take on what happened, but I love how you handle the fact that people naturally disagree. Your wording is neutral in terms of the reaction it incites but your position is strong and I respect both of those aspects of your argument.
That was such a good point about the vast vast majority (90%) of people said they heard 3 shots or less, and also that they all came from the same direction; either the underpass area or TSBD area - not both. Which end of the Plaza do we know 3 shots came from? The TSBD 6th floor. Plus, we know about the reverb between the underpass and TSBD area; no wonder people weren't sure or thought the shots sounded like from around the underpass.
I’m actually genuinely upset. I just watched this entire thing in split parts, 2 days ago. and it was extremely hard to find. (Mostly because I’m bad at just finding playlists and UA-cam’s recommended structure on iPhone is broken) And now you have made this. My timing in life is hilariously terrible. However, now I get to watch this incredible series again. So I suppose it isn’t all bad.
It really does suck that Lemino is so against people reacting to his videos. The added opinions from the history community add so much to it. To take what he says under different considerations and such, especially with how well researched and shown it is. He is well within his right to do so, it is his content, but I believe any additional discussion that could come from others chiming in is just lost now.
It’s so short sighted too. I legit discovered channels, went and rewatched videos as a result of VTHR reactions. Not to mention he actually adds information. Not always very thorough or lot but he does put a sincere effort! Sometimes there isn’t much to say. And I certainly don’t see how it would take away from views if the reaction is 1+ months after the video release. If anything, it will ADD to the views.
I don´t think Lemmino has said that. He does not mind people reacting. He asks is it necessary to show the entire video if you want to make a reaction. And as fair point he compares is it necessary to show the entire movie to make a movie review. Some of those channels put months and months of work to their video. Thats why those can´t upload every week. So they live from quality not quantity. For example the monthly views for Lemmino is lower than what VTH has on their "working time". Not claiming that VTH would not make a quality reactions. But still the amount of work to watch and commentate compared to making the video is absolutely nowhere near. The appeal for many in reaction channels is the "lets watch it together" feeling. Even if the person reacting would give very good additional information like VTH does. Lets be honest. We have all watched some videos only via reaction channel. And like Lemmino said the bare minimum should be to ask permision. And at the time of his QA he mentions none of the channels had done that.
Great analysis. I really appreciate the background and the personal perspective you give to things, particularly with having visited the location. Very good point about how sound travels. Definitely agree with you for the same reasons. Just to nitpick: Occam's Razor--the answer with the least number of assumptions/set of elements being the more reliable. For example, some people came to the conclusion that the destruction of the world trade center buildings on 9/11 was a controlled demolition due to a conspiracy because it looked like a controlled demolition--a simple answer, but the number and quality of assumptions that must be made is absurd. Failure to apply Occam's Razor also tends to go along with arguments from ignorance, which you pointed out. Really enjoy your original content, as well.
Oh yes ignorance. Ignorance is when a person is unaware of some thing. Is that correct? For instance the police found three shell casings at the window of the sixth floor but don't know that one shot was with a bullet called a full metal jacket that goes through its target leaving a smooth hole. Another bullet hit Kennedys head and exploded into microscopic shrapnel. That is called a fragmentation round. The three shell casings were identical. Therefore they cannot be both. So I can see how ignorance would be a problem
@@TM-vv8ni There was another bullet that ricocheted off the highway overpass curb and grazed a pedestrian. I don't know if they found the bullet, but they did find and photographed the bullet impact on the curb and removed it. I guess that evidence got suppressed, along with lots of other stuff in this video.
@@bobholtzmann yes his name is James Teague if Im not mistaken. He was hit in the cheek by concrete chips from a bullet that hit the curb. There is a video about an officer named Buddy Wallace and an as yet still unnamed FBI agent finding the bullet and the fed agent taking it into his own custody never to have resurfaced. If there was enough to pick up and cary away that would seemingly indicate it was similar to the full metal jacket or " magic bullet". ......off the subject but another thing that seems to disprove the Oswald acted alone thing is the rifle itself. It was apparently ordered C.O.D. from a sporting goods outlet in Illinois and delivered to a post office in Dallas on a certain date. Since you have to pay up front to take delivery then someone had to be there at delivery time. Mr Oswald's time card from work puts him on the clock across town when the rifle was picked up. Now I haven't been able to nail down that any ID was required to do so but that's a possibility since it is a firearm. That means either Oswald was allowed to leave work and travel across town and presumably take it home all while on the clock which seems unlikely unless your employer is very generous with his time and money or it's part of your REAL job as an operative. The only other explanation is that someone else ordered the weapon and could not have had it delivered to Oswald's house since this person was not Oswald so instead had it sent to another location where they picked it up , possibly with Oswald's ID ( like maybe the extra wallet the police captain "found"at the Tippit shooting). The id in the wallet at the Tippet scene and the rifle order were both done with an alias, Hidell. Either solution to this problem is much like the bullet problem........ there had to be more than one person involved, therefore there has to be a conspiracy. I will gladly listen to ANY other explanation or ANY scenarios that show that these things can be done by one person.
I think MO said she didn’t think about Lee being involved in the shooting but then her friend mentioned the shooter was firing from his building-prompting her to check for the rifle.
It’s crazy to think if Jack Ruby never killed Oswald what could have come from that trial. What if they discovered the importance of chain of custody? Maybe the Simpson case goes differently. Just wild that he was able to get close enough to kill him.
What’s really sad is that Oliver Stone believed Jim Garrison who supposedly knew all of this since he read the Commission Report, and still made JFK. I’m just shocked that Garrison didn’t say the School Book Depository supervisor was involved in the conspiracy. Secondly, I’ve lived in Dallas all my life. Perspective is everything. If you visit Dealey Plaza, you can easily see Oswald could have done this by himself. It’s not a hard shot.
Conspiracy theorists will believe what they want to believe. There is not logic or rationality to it. It is basically a religion. Yes, it is a 100% certainty that Oswald killed JFK, and it is a 99.8% certainty that Oswald did it alone. As you said, all the evidence and facts clearly point to this conclusion. I reserve the infinitesimally small chance that Oswald was working for someone in case I am wrong, but I do not believe that is the case.
I do think Dallas PD wasn't as incompetent as sometime portrayed. The investigation has been more scrutinized by more smart people than any in history, but broadly they secured a case that would have easily convicted Oswald if it had got to trial and has broadly held up in over 60 years of scrutiny and alternative theories.
Arnold Rowland's sighting (13:16) shouldn't be dismissed. He mentioned it at the time to his wife, and he signed an affidavit on the day of the assassination about what he saw. He didn't see another gunman. He just Oswald looking out from another window. Oswald probably walked over to scope out the view from SW window 10 or 15 minutes before he went back to the SE window. Rowland's description fits Oswald. Rowland's sighting is credible. It's confirmed by his wife who recalled him noticing the man in the window. I think Rowland saw Oswald in the SW window.
Haven't finished this video, but just had to comment about one thing in regards to the rifle being transported in the package. If the rifle was transported to the book depository disassembled, then the scope would be completely useless because it would no longer be sighted in. At such a short distance, it would be more reliable to use the basic iron sights built into most guns.
Oswald probably only had to use the iron sights, but disassembling the rifle so that it fit into the bag Oswald was carrying didn't require removing the scope.
Oswald 1000% was the killer. There is absolutely zero doubt. And there was not a second shooter. We know this because we have a literal video showing the event from the exact spot where "curious individuals" insist the "real shooter" was standing.
Read Reclaiming History, Vincent Bugliosi. Excellent analysis. I've been to the museum in Dallas as well. Convinced me it was Oswald. The movie JFK is full of 1000 holes.
I’m wondering if Oswald went to work that morning, taking the gun…and was winging it. Maybe he was hoping to get a perch somewhere only on the knowledge that JFK would be there, and that there would be a motorcade. There’s no way he could’ve known the top would be down. When he asked what everyone was looking at, and found that the motorcade was going right by the building, everything fell in place. Just a possibility…
Would HIGHLY recommend the book "Case Closed" on the assassination and Oswald. So many misleading or just wrong info gets shared about the assassination, and then this bad info gets "cited" by others over and over. People need to stick to contemporary sources and evidence. They never do. Sigh
You should consider reacting to Internet Historian's "The Gentleman Pirate." It's comedic, but it's an historically accurate (I.e., includes cited sources) account of Stede Bonnet.
One of the problems I have is why did Oswald not shoot JFK from straight on as the motorcade came towards the depository. A much easier shot than the one he took. I think the finisher was from the grassy knoll. JFK’s head is not immune from the laws of motion. An object struck by a missile moves in the same direction of the missile.
It's harder to hit a target moving toward you--and slightly to your left as the limo was relative to Oswald--than to hit one moving away from you in virtually a straight line, on a 3 degree down slope. JFK's head moved forward the instant he was hit, as did the blood and brain matter. There was never any shooter seen near the stockade fence, no casings found, and no bullets ever found. People ran behind the fence after the shooting and there was no one there. In addition, all of the ballistics and forensic evidence, the autopsy photos and X-rays, and the Zapruder film all show that JFK was shot from above and behind.
A straight on shot is in fact very easy to hit unless he was told to take the shot he did. His brains were on the back of the car which is what Jackie was trying to recover when she climbed out of her seat. Plus, the last shot clearly threw his head back. Behind the fence were two guys in older style Dallas PD uniforms that were no longer in use and had been shooing people away from the area prior to the shooting. DPD has no record of those officers.
@@jeffgreer4340 The shot on Houston required more lead adjustment. His brains were all over the car, more in front than in back in fact. Apparently you don't believe me when I said his head went forward the instant he was hit. It did, and you can find that out easily enough. If those two guys you mentioned did any shooting they never hit a thing, and no bullets and no casings were ever found, and they just disappeared into the wind right afterward. Conspiracy theories surrounding the JFK assassination are driven by everything but solid evidence and sound reasoning.
@@jeffgreer4340 So your response to "there's no way there could have been a shooter on the grassy knoll, for multiple reasons" is "Nah. Anyway..." Analysing a guy's blurry 8mm home movie of the President being shot is not a substitute for the fact that, again, THERE IS NO EVIDENCE WHATSOEVER THAT THERE WAS A SHOOTER ON THE GRASSY KNOLL. Apply Occam's razor. We don't know all the mechanics of the situation and thanks to Jack Ruby we'll never know the motivation, but it's far more plausible, given the evidence we do have, that the shooting was done by a lone shooter who acted alone. That shooter can _only_ have been Oswald.
Oswald was drinking a Coke in the breakroom at the time of the shooting. The police also initially reported the gun fired from the Depository as a 765 Mauser. If the Police Department doesn't know the difference between a Mauser and a Mannlicher (which the Italian infantry would just leave on the battlefields because they were so lousy), then I wouldn't trust much of whatever they reported. Ed Hoffman, a deaf-mute reported a man with a rifle behind the stockade fence at the time of the shooting; there were fresh footprints and cigarrette butts found later there as well as it had rained earlier in the day. (No one coming to see the President would just hang out behind a fence with an opportunity to get close to the street.) The people that ran toward the Grassy Knoll reported being stopped by someone with false credentials, appearing to SS. JFK's brain was missing most of the cerebellum, the part of the brain _beneath and behind_ the cerebrum, yet it weighed 10% more than an average male's full brain. I can go on and on and on, but I'm finding it difficult to type while laughing at this Ballr person. They have no clue what they are talking about lol
I would like to suggest that you review all of the videos on the Kennedy assassination by America's Untold Stories. Mark Groubert has done extensive research. Thank you for all your good work.
My old pastor was bunk mates with Oswald in the military. After he retired from being a pastor, he and his wife opened a deli in the gas station down the road from my house and I would always go there in the mornings before school to get breakfast and we'd talk while they were cooking it. One morning, somehow, the topic of Oswald came up, and he started telling me about being bunk mates with him and what he was like. But I was probably only 14 or so, was tired, and wasn't really that interested in the topic, so what he said didn't stick with me. I can't for the life of me remember what he said about Oswald aside from regretting that he never talked to him about Jesus because he thought maybe if he had done that, this whole mess never would have happened. I wish I could ask him now, but he's since passed away.
as a product of a cop, it comes off more as poor/outdated police work. what we know now with crime scenes and how to handle things hasnt always been. we learn over time and improve methods.
The crime scene inside the President's limo was mopped up with sponges and buckets, as it was parked outside the hospital. Guys in suits were seizing cameras and picking up bullets on the ground. Lots of evidence was undocumented and destroyed, just as it was years later at the RFK assassination.
I saw an older comment mentioning that you should react to Wendigoon's video on JFK. I do think that is one of his weaker videos but one i absolutely love is Wendigoon's video on the MLK assassination. Absolutely fantastic work on his research and I would love if you made a reaction to it
@@9BallrI doubt it was meant to be. I love Wendigoon, because he's a morbidly curious goofball who loves to share stuff he finds interesting. But he is also a conspiracy theorist. And his JFK conspiracy video is just completely absurd 🤣
This is better than many professionally produced documentaries. Excellent work! Concerning the "Conspiracy Theories", after much study, including reviewing documents that were held by the CIA and only released within the last 20 years, I have come to the following conclusions: 1) The government story of the lone assassin simply can't be ruled out because of the mountain of available evidence 2) The shooting of Lee Harvey Oswald by Jack Rubenstein, as pointed out, would lead any smart person to at least question the government story, and in viewing both Rubenstein's lie detector results and his discussion with the Warren Commission, it is clear to me he had more to say. I would recommend anyone that out-of-hand rejects any conspiracy theories to look at those documents. 3) The "Big 4" (The Mob, the Russians, the CIA, and the Cubans) collectively represent the majority of conspiracies' put forward. I believe "the Mob" was involved at some level, but it wasn't the Italian Maffia, it was the Jewish Maffia. I see no validity to Russian or Cuban involvement as there was so much to lose if things went wrong. 4) The concept of motivation (ie the risk/reward aspect) in this assasination has always loomed large in my mind... and was the motivating factor to continue researching from that perspective. 5) A large portion of the documents withheld from the public included information about the CIA's discovery of the Israeli development of a nuclear weapon at a sight called Dimona. I encourage anyone that is not aware of what I just said to look at the letters from Kennedy to Prime Minister David Ben Gurion and than later to Prime Minister Eshkol A nation hell bent on protecting itself, investing enormous amounts of money developing a weapon capable of defense of its people, now placed at risk by a foreign leader demanding inspection would be clear motivation for such an operation. 6) George De Mohrenschildt gave the most extensive testimony out of ALL witnesses questioned by the Warren Commission. I ask readers to research this individual. If you are good at what you do, you will find his wife's statement when she had him committed to a Mental Hospital and the individuals he believed were intent on killing him. Additionally how he dies ...well I don't want to be a spoiler... but it's an "eye opener".
If you were playing a drinking game and took shot every time Chris says “that’s just a coincidence” you would be passed out long before this video ends.
If I am not mistaken Lemmino is Swedish. He should do an episode on Swedens own JFK style murder. The killing of Olof Palme. About the same intrigue and a killer never found. But several have been put forward and the conspiracy have been deep.
I was never smart enough to think a conspiracy. I figured it had to be an amateur like Oswald, due to how bad he missed his first shot. Snipers don’t miss.
History Gone Wilder has extremely great content. Should give him a look! Edit: adding Threads From The National Tapestry. Absolutely rop tier civil war content.
1:54:40 You mention a crime of opportunity for Oswald, do you think there could be something to the theory that Oswald was actually more interested in assassinating Connelly than Kennedy?
Agree with the conclusion. IF ANYTHING can come out of JFK's death it's the argument of whether you believe we're destined to follow a path in life or we have free will to blaze our own path. It's just so ironic how everything just dropped into place perfectly where it needed to be at the exact time. You can argue it's an absolute point in time similar to how Dr Strange cannot save his gf in What If or like in the Spiderverse where Spiderman MUST lose a loved one as that's their motivation for becoming the titular hero. You can argue that it's "God's plan" and we're just following the path set for us. You can argue we have free will, which would mean this feels like a 1 in a billion chance that everything happened just right at the exact time just like winning the lottery.
Two things: 1) do you believe that Dallas PD let Ruby in because of the mishandling of evidence could cause enough reasonable doubt? 2) i feel what you mean about the amount of people within the conspiracy but you have to remember project manhattan, hundreds of people working in one little area helping with the making of the atomic bomb, not knowing until after the bombings. Months, even years after.
1) Ruby just snuck in when the cop(s) at that entrance weren't looking. 2) There's still no actual evidence of a conspiracy so it doesn't really matter.
My personal thoughts: 1) a. The Dallas PD didn't have enough time to assess the mishandling of evidence and determine that it was so bad that Oswald would possibly not be convicted. b. They still had enough evidence against Oswald for the murder of that policeman. c. They still had to determine whether Oswald really acted alone, and what were his exact motives. d. It's not a good look for the police when the main suspect is killed in their HQ in front of the press. Would they have risked their carreers (and potentially prison if caught) for that? e. How would this have played out? They didn't know that a guy named JR wanted to kill Oswald. Did the police HQ guards searched JR, found his gun (without anyone else noticing) and decided to let him inside the HQ, because somehow they knew about the mishandling of evidence, and trusted JR for not denouncing them afterwards? Or did they approached JR and asked him to kill Oswald and go to prison? 2) Let's say it's an apple for apple comparison. In the case of the MP, there has been more than 1,500 leak investigations involving unauthorized disclosures of classified information. (source: fas [dot] org)
Not necessarily a conspiracy theorist but to say that it was too messy for it to be a planned conspiracy seems hasty because it’s believable that a conspirator would try to make the plan in such a way that it would appear to be a crime of opportunity. I know that point is basically a huge cop out but worth a thought I’d say.
I look at it this way if it walks like a duck quacks like a duck looks like a duck it's a duck. Things have to fit like a puzzle in my mind for it to be make sense to me. I I like to verify it in my own head by obtain information like historically accurate videos like yours and the forensic that I saw on History vault plus whatever other information I can get my hands on. If everything fits for the most part that will be my opinion but it does not mean my mind is closed. I really don't have a doubt in my mind anymore that it wasn't Oswald his little twisted and opportunity. Like you said I don't believe there was anybody else involved because everything fits it feels right logically it just makes sense.
About the Mauser thing : In 1963, WW2 isn't even 20 years old. This guy was a kid or a teenager at that time, and he probably heard the name Mauser a lot times, espacially if he had members of his family on the european front. The americans didn't fight for long the Italians so the name Carcano didn't come as famous as Mauser. The name was printed in his head so he said it, just like today, americans name "AR-15" nearly every rifle, and in Europe europeans name "kalachnikov" every rifle
I don't understand how bad the cops, the secret service, etc... are. Even the cop killed by Oswald. He sees a suspect that can be a killer so he should be ready for a shooting, etc... For the book depository, how can he escape ? Why the cops are not at each exit ? The secret service didn't even have men at a place where the car is slow because of the turn ? And also Ruby can kill Oswald easily ? Oswald made the shots, but there are too much coincidences. There's probably someone behind him.
Sean Munger did a 4-5 hour in depth video about this a while ago. Check it out. Sean Munger historian on UA-cam. The title is “Oswald killed JFK and he acted alone”.
Such a well laid out documentary not trying to show the facts of the events rather than focusing on drawing a conclusion. Personally I believe LHO acted alone. His choice of weapon for example, and the fact the eyewitness testimony here while casting doubt on Oswald casts and even larger doubt that someone else could have entered and exited the School Book Depository without being seen. Finally I think that there is an old expression two people can keep a secret only if one of them is dead, there is just too many people who would have had to know about the conspiracy and remained silent to be plausible.
Exactly. I’m an investigator and have researched this since I was a boy. It was probably the catalyst that got me started. I started my research believing it was a conspiracy since that is what most people believe. However, having learned a lot about firearms, human behavior, and from talking with some of the Dallas homicide investigators in the past (the last one is in his 90’s and is a friend), I am convinced beyond a doubt that Oswald acted alone. I always find it funny, that while having the least popular view, people will often call me naive or a sheep. When in fact, they are typically following the crowd without any real research other than watching Steven Spielberg’s fantasy movie. “Back and to the left, haha.”
@@williammoore772 If we use the same level of scrutiny to the conspiracy theories as we do to the findings we see they all fall apart far more quickly. Personally I think RFK's assassination is far more interesting where the eyewitness accounts vary wildly from the forensic investigation, not saying I think it was a conspiracy but that it is more interesting.
Please react to wendigoons Kennedy conspiracy, I know you’re a history channel but I would love to see your take on his theories, or any Wendigoon content!
2:26:11 this is honestly the part i disagree with you the most on, if the conspiracy is to cover up other peoples involvement muddying the water as much as possible is probably the best way to go about it so that no one story can be pinned down and even if someone were to land on the correct one by chance it would be easy to brush it off.
Great documentary is "JFK: What the Doctor's Saw". It's testimony of the people who took care of JFK and the things they saw. It provides a new perspective, as far as I know. I recommend anyone see it
I thought the theatre attendant called the police that someone entered without purchasing a ticket...why would the entire police force be needed to come for that..
I think you may have left out some important details. Let's see... They were looking for someone who had just shot and killed police officer J.D. Tippit and who was on foot in that neighborhood. Oswald was observed in the foyer of a shoe store by the manager (Johnny Brewer) apparently trying to hide from police. Oswald was then followed by Brewer down the street where he snuck into the Texas Theatre without buying a ticket, almost as if he was trying to hide from the police! So, I'm guessing the police thought this guy might be the guy who killed Tippit, and who was therefore armed and extremely dangerous. Does it make sense now that they might send a few police officers to the Texas Theatre?
I lean strongly towards the Warren Commission getting it right. However, the report does leave me with 2 huge questions not properly fleshed out. 1) it has been proven the particular ballistic characteristics of the 6.5mm Italian rifle’s cartridge is indeed capable of what the second bullet managed to do by wounding 2 people. That is sound ballistic science. No “magic bullet theory” nonsense, the physical evidence prove definitively these bullets do have that kind of punch through penetration power, in fact that’s what they are designed for… so the question then is, why/how did the head shot (3rd shot) react so differently than the second shot? They acted in 2 very different ways despite both coming from the rear of Kennedy???… was the second shot FMJ & the 3rd hollow-point? Or how else can this inconsistency be explained? 2) why did Governor John Connolly & his wife next to them be so sure they smelt burnt gunpowder immediately after Kennedy was shot?… Connolly was an avid hunter, and was very familiar with firearms. His testimony stating he smelt burnt gunpowder (which has a very distinct smell) suggests a shot from much closer. “Suggests”… so how could he smell that if all shots came from a distance, and from behind??? I really want to understand these 2 key issues I still have after my own research over the years.
My point exactly. The reaction from the last show doesn't match in my opinion. The third looks like an extremely close distance shot. As you said the testimony of the gunpowder is very powerful as well.
@@loganmaddocks4703 I think it’s possible to explain away those 2 questions in a way that supports the Warren Commission’s conclusions, but it is an oversight to leave these 2 questions unanswered. I am a veteran, been around firearms for 3 decades. I am familiar enough to ask these questions, but still well short of an expert to jump to an answer. The 1st one has some hints to an answer, as I eluded to, but that second question really puzzles me. I’ll always trust the testimony of someone (Connelly) with extensive experience with firearms over some fool who has never used a firearm thinking Oliver Stone’s movie JFK has some historical value lol
@@James-zg2nl I agree with you. I have been around firearms my whole life as well. Shot my first one when I was 4 and I'm 27 now. I also agree with ceding my knowledge to people in the field. However, with what we know now about what the CIA was up to back then on top of JFK saying he wanted to close the federal reserve and shut down the CIA to wind up dead not very long after is nothing less than a very large coincidence.
@@loganmaddocks4703 touché. Overly convenient for those that would have been outed. Doesn’t mean a conspiracy, but definitely invites questions to explore.
I'm 70 years old I was in fourth grade when President Kennedy was killed it was a terrible day the whole United States seemed to go into a deep mourning the 60s sucked I saw it all on TV
Makes sense, considering Oswald worked for the CIA when he defected to Russia for his clandestine mission. Using Occam's Razor, sometimes the most obvious answer is the most correct - in this case, Oswald didn't work alone, and was a patsy, as he said in front of the cameras.
I mean, we are given the fact that Oswald worked for the CIA when he went to Russia. Are we to believe that he returned with his Russian wife and was never contacted by the CIA, and acted purely alone? The CIA does not totally forget about persons who worked for them, especially ones with Marine training and CIA spy training.
I sometimes tell people that “the CIA framed Oswald. They wanted to frame a mid level member of the Greater Dallas KKK (Think of the ‘Wanted for Treason’ flyer). He (the KKK member) kept his rifle in a gun cabinet in the living room, but the KKK member’s house was guarded by a couple of Dobermanns. Oswald kept his rifle, in the garage. Oswald was the next best choice.” It’s not true, but it sounds “plausible” to a “conspiracy theorist.”
@@HVACSoldier oh you mean you used to tell people? Lol. And I am well aware that the majority of Americans (even still) believe there was a government conspiracy to kill Kennedy. I am of the opinion that the vast majority of people are very easily swayed by people who feign intelligence. See: Joe Rogan talking to literally any crackpot on his podcast 😂
And people can assume that just cause he was seen at certain place at certain time that he's Bee there for a while nope he literally could have just got there been there barely a second lol
I know people have a lot of different opinions about who took the shots and who is responsible. I'm from Dallas and I even know a few people who are in the warren report but don't proclaim any inside information. There is one small thing that never gets mentioned that proves logically that the official story can't be correct. If the " magic bullet" went into Kennedy's back and out his throat after possibly hitting bone then went completely through the car seat and hit Connelly s wrist shattering it, then careened into his left thigh ,also had to penetrate Kennedy's suit and Connelly suit, at least once and was discovered in almost pristeen condition. Sounds like a full metal jacket. The bullet that hit Kennedys head in a glancing blow absolutely fragmented into microscopic size pieces. So for the official report to be correct Oswald would have had to have shot 2 different kinds of ammunition from one rifle. The three spent shells found in the floor were all the same. One is explosive fragmenting bullet, one is a full metal jacket. So either Oswald had ammunition that does not exist or there were 2 weapons.
It wasn't a fragmenting bullet, it just came apart because it hit JFK's skull at full force. The fragments from that bullet were matched to Oswald's rifle.
I am surprised that you give much credit to LemmiNo ahead and during this video, but you just avoid or refute certain evidence. Evidence that would suggest the original story being false. Evidence that has been proven in testimonies removed from the Warren Commission. For instance: You say that time moves differently if you've seen something as traumatic as this event. Not everyone did see the traumatic event and their time recollection is the same as the ones presented by LemmiNo in this video. It is 90 seconds according to the Police who saw Lee Harvey Oswald. Even if time moves differently you shouldn't watch the time, you should watch the event. The policeman ran past the two women at ground floor, met with Lee Harvey Oswald on 2nd floor, and there are people on 3rd, 4th, and 5th that say it is impossible for Lee to move ahead of them. You also refute all eye-witnesses that change their stories. You refuted one guy that had 5 years in between his stories, while we know the Dallas Police altered their testimonies and manipulated them. The guy who were on the other side of Houston said he saw someone at the back of the building. But there are no exit doors on that side of the building. What there is, on the other hand, is a fire escape (you see it in the 3d model, and in the pictures) and I haven't heard a single person mention this firescape at all. If the Connely report is correct, and a shooter looking like Oswald was at floor 6, how could he get out? Just walk outside on the firescape and walk down. The crisis is on the 6th floor, ground floor, and southern part of the building, as well as the daily plaza, moving on the northeastern part of the outside of the building would be without issues, right?
I generally give bad forensic work from this era a break because a lot of the standard practices police do now weren't standard then or weren't always trained to the same standard as say the FBI. Looking back at history with the hindsight we have now is only going to cause issues.
nothing could be concluded from lemmino's video. so many witnesses with conflicting versions. the witnesses who heard shots were all over the map as to how many and where they came from. amazing how sloppy the police work was. not taking photos of the casings. not having a recorder to tape oswald. the video could not trace oswald's tracks after the shooting. nobody was sure of anything. nice presentation but it left you saying to yourself.....HUH??
I agree with you, I feel like Lee decided to do this on a whim. If it was planned he surely would’ve had a better exit strategy. Seems like he shot, sat there for a split second to admire his work, and then the “oh shoot I really just did that!” mode kicked in and he just got out of the vicinity the fastest he could which is why he made so many mistakes during and directly after the shooting.
Given some of the actions he took beforehand (most notably leaving his wedding ring behind), I'm convinced that Lee didn't expect to leave Dallas alive, and was probably expecting to die a martyr. Obviously, that didn't happen (the martyr part, not the dying part).
33:00 still , i wasn't alive at the time JFK or Ronald Reagan assasination and attempts happened yet when i saw Trump get hit i automatically thought about those cases , there have been cases like these before too , Lincoln , everybody heard about it , Roosevelts etc , no reason for that guy to not get concerned imo , but then again people told secret service about the Trump case yet they did nothing , maybe the Kennedy case would have been the same too , neither of them are liked by the background people
I want to say that I respect your opinion and it is valid. Being that you have been to Dealey Plaza does not make you inerrant , however. There is just so much evidence out there that this is not the case that you don’t have to be ignorant. I challenge you to do some research as a Devil’s Advocate. It just might broaden your horizon. I have researched both sides, obviously, I have researched one more extensively. The amount of information suppression was unreal. For an instance of what this information suppression could have resulted in, at one point this vid shows statistics (I do not know their validity or origin) which highlight that “very few” witnesses recall hearing gunshots from multiple locations. This is an easy statistic to manipulate. This video is the “classic” for anyone who does not care about the government and does not care about their freedom, lol. By this, I mean that, if you do not care that there was a premeditated, deliberate, and successful attempt to assassinate a sitting President than you don’t care about freedom or your country. I have to ask, “Why was there no raw footage of the actual motorcade on that fateful day included?” I would think that to be incredibly important. Since it was captured on video, please show us the video. Slow it down . . . Show the trajectory of the three bullets. Please explain why the Texas governor was hit. Why was his head blown backwards? This supposed gun was pretty powerful. A hit to the back of the head will throw him forward. I’m pretty sure that is why he didn’t want to include it. I know that slightly conflicting witness testimony is good, but this stuff is whack. Also, why would you kill someone else on your way out of town? This story is laughable. He is supposed to have his curtain rod box with as rifle in it. Where did the pistol that he supposedly killed an officer with come from? Sorry to do such a long comment, but it just frustrates me when ppl refuse to do research and just believe whatever they are told. I realize that you have done some of your own, like going to the place. Do more research. Look up the podcast, The Investigations: Who Killed JFK. This is documented fact.
If he didn't do it man they picked the perfect patsy cause how he acted before and during the assaination he did seem suspicious be like the creatior of quantum leap said he met Oswald and he's like he did it how he acted he knew when he saw they caught him he wasn't super surprised he was yep that's him the stuff he said when he saw him he knew he was going to do something like this that's why he did those episodes of quantum leap where Sam is leaping through Oswald life so you see him in military sniper and working with the russians trying to commit s then in Dallas curtain rods even before that there was someone else that he saw and he tried to shoot him but he had bend down for something at last second all leading up to the assination those some crazy episodes and seeing how they did the assaination and him leaping from Oswald so he wasn't in him when he shot but he jumps to the guy that jumps on back of car telling Jackie to get down and hrs looking around I was automatically like oh shoot he's still shooting got to be careful you don't get shot but forget once Kennedy last shot he didn't shoot no more so crazy HOA they recaptured that and he's like every leap he was suppose to stop something this one he didn't well turns out in original history Oswald didn't just shoot JFK but also Jackie so since Sam was leaped there and he leaped out of Oswald messed him up a second and him jumping on back of car telling her to get down he only got JFK the real photos they showed at end so weird and the music so weird watching this guys life leading up to this crazy event and the aftermath and what could have been what changed so crazy but the dude said he made those episodes to make sure its clear it was him just him no conspiracy course I can see how people think the government was behind it knew it was going to happen and didn't do anything if anything helped things along how government acted afterwards how they destroyed evidence people been wanting them to investigate this more release all evidence but took them long time even then don't see everything they even destroyed some thousand documents and they supposedly to release new evidence never before seen some time but ever time they release some stuff other stuff still classified why if there's nothing to hide just release everything you trying to hide stuff or not telling us everything makes you! Look suspicious lol
The conspiracy crowd doesn't presume to know more than the investigators either.....their concern lies in investigators not being honest about what they know.
If the government story is what actually happened, the investigators were more incompetent than a bunch of kindergarteners doing brain surgery blindfolded. From there's no fingerprints on the rifle to there's fingerprints on the rifle, which by the way changed from a Ruger? to the Carcano; from Oswald was in Mexico no he was seen in LA no he was somewhere else; from drunken debauchery from the SS; from last minute changes in the route that just happened to make the assassination easier; from other botched assassination plans in FL and Chicago; to LBJ bragging he won't have to worry about the Kennedy's any more; to Oswald being assassinated while in custody; to Oswald's interviews not being recorded or notated; to Marina living with Ruth Paine to teach her Russian although she herself taught Russian classes years before; there's literally millions of questions unanswered and unexplored by the 'investigators'. Occam's Razor: it was not as the government tried to tell us.
Dunno Chris, I’m concerned the attending physicians don’t agree with the Warren Commission on the fatal wound. I’ve also been to Dealy Plaza and even with new buildings built since 1963, I didn’t hear any echos-even when a loud Harley went down the parade route.
You mean the physicians at Parkland? Four of the five doctors at Parkland who treated JFK (all but McClelland) said that nothing they observed contradicted the autopsy finding that the bullets were fired from above and behind by a high velocity rifle, and that they did not see evidence of gunshot wounds from the front. Yes, Dealey Plaza is an echo chamber. Lee Bowers who worked in the tower behind the parking lot on the other side of the stockade fence talked about how he often could not tell where sounds were coming from because of the echo effects of Dealey Plaza.
Yeah I’m in the minority. IMO Oswald acted alone. Sean Munger did a good video 2 part series (Oswald Acted Alone) that acts as a good companion to this minority view. It’s easy to take the conspiracy view, I get it and used to believe it was but no longer.
I disagree with your assessment of this video just confirming bias actually. I've believed for most of my life at this point that the government was involved. But just halfway through your video, it's making me question that. It also gives more credibility to some ex-cia (or was it ex-fbi?) agents saying that the remaining classified JFK files have "nothing interesting" and that people "would be disappointed". I feel like there could still be other involvement, but as someone who's never looked at the evidence and just having gone by statements from people that have, I'm very surprised at how much this is changing my thoughts on the matter.
This is different from how streamers react though, VTH added a whole hour of additional commentary to the original video and he also continuously says to watch the original video before watching his.
@@georgevillafranca619 Somewhat yes. Some people are just watching the whole thing and being shocked to something and laughing to something. VTH brings lot of knowledge. But there is no editing whatsoever. It is the whole video. Is it necessary for educational purpose to show the whole video? There is grey line, but if the creator is opposed for others to show the whole video I think there atleast should be respect on that.
@@derapalum6692 Yeah you’re right, VTH is good at reaching out to the original creators and respecting their wishes in the past though. He should reach out to LEMMiNO if he hasn’t already.
If you go in expecting to find a conspiracy, guaranteed you will find one. That's how conspiracy thinking works. It doesn't matter what evidence is found or not found, it will all get interpreted as proving the theory.
The other thing is that is NEVER discussed is that conspiracies traditionally focus primarily on strategies prior and up to the commission of the crime for the excellent reason that those are the only events under one's direct control. The idea that you can after-the-fact control what ER doctors see and say, where and if a forensic autopsy will or will not be held and what the prosectors will document, whether or not an investigating commission will or will not be appointed, who will be on it, and which government agency will be responsible FOR it -- it all goes far beyond whether the nutjob ex-marine you've chosen to take the fall has credible marksmanship credentials to play the lead role.
I am studying critical thinking and when you are provided a conclusion and trying to prove that conclusion your accuracy is less than 50% however when you have the evidence to lead to the conclusion the accuracy is less than 99%. There can not be 100% accuracy when six pieces of information are present, add emotions into the equation and your talking less than 50% accuracy when trying to build to a conclusion and less than 25% accuracy when you have a conclusion and trying to build support. Because it is possible for people to find patterns in anything with 6 elements of information for the brain to process, a conspiracy can be formed even though it doesn't exist. Also conspiracy theories have some level of truth but the conclusion is false. Furthermore unless someone has photgraphic memory nobody could remember the events that happened the same way every time.
Inductive reasoning is what's required to establish the truth of empirical claims, like those regarding the JFK assassination. When an inductive argument is strong (a technical term in logic), that means that the truth of the premises would make the probability that the conclusion is true greater than 50%. Arguments that purport to show that JFK's assassination was the result of a conspiracy fall way below the 50% threshold.
This is a compilation of the complete series of reaction videos I did to this fantastic work by Lemmino last year.
Haha I literally just rewatched this series earlier this week. Love your added input Chris
This has been out for awhile.
Didn't lemino say he doesn't like these reaction videos?
@@MM-ft2pvHe did, but I really hope both that Lemmino understands how extremely different VTH is from degens like xQc and Hassan through his incredible input, but I also hope VTH is asking Lemmino to upload this.
Lemminos big issue with this was that people like xQc, and unfortunately, people like VTH are uploading the entire vid
@MM-ft2pv That's why Chris doesnt do them anymore.
The work this guy did is TV documentary quality....very good work.
I would argue much better than TV documentary quality. Most TV documentaries have a clear bias they are trying to push, especially American made TV documentaries. I mean look no further than the History Channel and their endless garbage to prove my point. This guy isn’t American, not even from this hemisphere, so he has no bias to offer, no invested interest to spin this one way or another. That makes his conclusions automatically more credible than any American made documentary given how problematic American made documentaries are.
far better than TV quality. He explains everything in depth, the animations and everything else just make it an enjoyable experience. Screw TV 😂
@@James-zg2nl What do you mean "not from this hemisphere". He's from Sweden, same hemisphere as the US.
@@Fulmenn 🤦🏼♂️ hemisphere is NOT just a north/south split. You can also split the planet into east/west hemispheres. Never heard of the Western Hemisphere?… more commonly known as America, or the Americas. Don’t correct people who aren’t wrong, you look ridiculous doing so.
People are talking about how Lemmino doesn’t like people reacting to his videos, but I think there’s a big difference between VTH actually adding insightful input and garbage streamers like Xqc who just sit there struggling to form a thought and are even disrespectful enough to keep the video playing when they go to the bathroom.
And that buffoon has 2.34 million subscribers.
Just for clarity, I love these reaction videos VTH does. Was just wondering Leminos stand point on them.
And that guy has 2.34 million subscribers, while someone like VTH has 1/6th that number.
@@9Ballr Exactly, very good point.
If they saw a black man on the 5th floor it was Bruh Man
8th generation Texan here- My grandfather was there. He worked in a factory downtown, and they found out the president was coming close by so his boss let a group of them go see him. My grandmother was at home with my dad, who was born that July 4th. My grandfather said he ducked when he heard the shots like everybody else. He heard 3 shots. But the last 2 sounded different from the 1st one, so he thought it was police shooting back at somebody who shot the 1st shot. After the scatter, and things died down a little, he walked back to work with his group, called my grandmother at a pay phone to let her know what happen, but she was already listening on the radio. He finished his work day like normal, and went back to his life. Their great grandchildren are still here.
Right on. LEMMINO's Kennedy Assassination video was enthralling and your reactions gave it even more depth. That's how I discovered your channel!
LEMMINO disapproved of the basic usage of his videos, just saying
Sean Munger's two videos are the ultimate.
UA-cam recommendations never fail to be relevant.
I was about to say...
Sean Munger shot a wonderful video about Oswald's involvement. I highly suggest watching it.
Totally.
One of my favs. He's a bit too smug and condescending about it to change the minds of any conspiracy believers, but I think his video very thoroughly breaks down why all these conspiracy theories are pure nonsense.
I think you nailed it with your observation about actually experiencing Dealey Plaza. In my youth, I definitely leaned towards conspiracy on this subject.
However, actually going there and standing in that spot changed my view. The whole area is actually quite intimate. It all looks much larger in the old grainy footage from the time. I enjoy your channel!. Subscribed.
Wow! I agree whole heatedly that Qawald could have fired the three shots in 6 seconds even with a surplus mail order junk rifle when he hadn't fired a rifle in four years at a moving target that he could have shot two minutes earlier on Houston Street dead on and closer. Oswald however could not have fired the 2nd and 3rd shots that were 1.6 seconds apart with a bolt action rifle. Sorry can't operate the bolt in 1.6 seconds. Also one bullet was a full metal jacket and one was a fragmentation round. Two different types of ammo but three shell casings the were identical were found. So Oswald fired a bullet that doesn't exist in an amount of time that cannot happen ? He was surrounded by documented intelligence assets served on a CIA base in the military, is documented as an FBI informant and made his last phone call to his cut out ( look up what that is) and was arrested with 2 halfs of 2 different 1 dollar bills ( look that up also) and had a minox sealed film canister camera made exclusivly for the CIA and not sold to the public (as did Michael Paiyne), and has family members employed by the CIA ( the Murrets) . All coincidences? Yeah that checks out.
@@TM-vv8ni if you have any direct evidence of a conspiracy you should come forward with it. You’d be the first one who ever has.
@@TM-vv8ni My man
@@timinla64 Watch the Mr. Beat video buddy
@@timinla64I think you can say that Oswald wasn’t at least solely responsible, without saying who was… it is impossible to fire that weapon twice in less than 2 seconds. That just shows that he was not the lone gunman. Also, anyone with any sort of common sense knows that the magic bullet theory is ludicrous. That one fact and one theory debunk that Oswald was not a lone assassin.
I didn’t know that you had reacted to a bunch of Lemmino videos, well there goes my afternoon! I actually met Marina Oswald multiple times as a child. She ran an army/navy surplus store in Dallas that I used to go to (I was obsessed with the military when I was young). My parents only told me years later that the owner (who often ran the register) was actually Lee Harvey Oswald’s wife. I recall her being a kind old lady who enjoyed having a youngster come around so often.
This series is how I found you. Haven’t been disappointed since
Go check out VTH reaction to Rip The Jacker Lemmino series
@@ekkovisionlolThat one was super good too.
I don’t necessarily agree with your take on what happened, but I love how you handle the fact that people naturally disagree. Your wording is neutral in terms of the reaction it incites but your position is strong and I respect both of those aspects of your argument.
That was such a good point about the vast vast majority (90%) of people said they heard 3 shots or less, and also that they all came from the same direction; either the underpass area or TSBD area - not both. Which end of the Plaza do we know 3 shots came from? The TSBD 6th floor. Plus, we know about the reverb between the underpass and TSBD area; no wonder people weren't sure or thought the shots sounded like from around the underpass.
I’m actually genuinely upset. I just watched this entire thing in split parts, 2 days ago. and it was extremely hard to find. (Mostly because I’m bad at just finding playlists and UA-cam’s recommended structure on iPhone is broken)
And now you have made this. My timing in life is hilariously terrible.
However, now I get to watch this incredible series again. So I suppose it isn’t all bad.
It really does suck that Lemino is so against people reacting to his videos. The added opinions from the history community add so much to it. To take what he says under different considerations and such, especially with how well researched and shown it is. He is well within his right to do so, it is his content, but I believe any additional discussion that could come from others chiming in is just lost now.
It’s so short sighted too. I legit discovered channels, went and rewatched videos as a result of VTHR reactions. Not to mention he actually adds information. Not always very thorough or lot but he does put a sincere effort! Sometimes there isn’t much to say.
And I certainly don’t see how it would take away from views if the reaction is 1+ months after the video release. If anything, it will ADD to the views.
I don´t think Lemmino has said that. He does not mind people reacting. He asks is it necessary to show the entire video if you want to make a reaction. And as fair point he compares is it necessary to show the entire movie to make a movie review.
Some of those channels put months and months of work to their video. Thats why those can´t upload every week. So they live from quality not quantity. For example the monthly views for Lemmino is lower than what VTH has on their "working time". Not claiming that VTH would not make a quality reactions. But still the amount of work to watch and commentate compared to making the video is absolutely nowhere near.
The appeal for many in reaction channels is the "lets watch it together" feeling. Even if the person reacting would give very good additional information like VTH does. Lets be honest. We have all watched some videos only via reaction channel.
And like Lemmino said the bare minimum should be to ask permision. And at the time of his QA he mentions none of the channels had done that.
@@jasonblack2760 this reaction (part 1) was released about 4 days after the original.
@@orange88623 oh ok that’s a bit effy ngl. Common courtesy is a week imo.
I can't stop watching! These unsolved cases always leave me curious and on edge.
Great analysis. I really appreciate the background and the personal perspective you give to things, particularly with having visited the location. Very good point about how sound travels.
Definitely agree with you for the same reasons. Just to nitpick: Occam's Razor--the answer with the least number of assumptions/set of elements being the more reliable. For example, some people came to the conclusion that the destruction of the world trade center buildings on 9/11 was a controlled demolition due to a conspiracy because it looked like a controlled demolition--a simple answer, but the number and quality of assumptions that must be made is absurd. Failure to apply Occam's Razor also tends to go along with arguments from ignorance, which you pointed out.
Really enjoy your original content, as well.
Oh yes ignorance. Ignorance is when a person is unaware of some thing. Is that correct? For instance the police found three shell casings at the window of the sixth floor but don't know that one shot was with a bullet called a full metal jacket that goes through its target leaving a smooth hole. Another bullet hit Kennedys head and exploded into microscopic shrapnel. That is called a fragmentation round. The three shell casings were identical. Therefore they cannot be both. So I can see how ignorance would be a problem
You are on a mission. Why not spend more time trying to figure out if Steven Avery is innocent or not. @@TM-vv8ni
@@TM-vv8ni There was another bullet that ricocheted off the highway overpass curb and grazed a pedestrian. I don't know if they found the bullet, but they did find and photographed the bullet impact on the curb and removed it. I guess that evidence got suppressed, along with lots of other stuff in this video.
@@bobholtzmann yes his name is James Teague if Im not mistaken. He was hit in the cheek by concrete chips from a bullet that hit the curb. There is a video about an officer named Buddy Wallace and an as yet still unnamed FBI agent finding the bullet and the fed agent taking it into his own custody never to have resurfaced. If there was enough to pick up and cary away that would seemingly indicate it was similar to the full metal jacket or " magic bullet". ......off the subject but another thing that seems to disprove the Oswald acted alone thing is the rifle itself. It was apparently ordered C.O.D. from a sporting goods outlet in Illinois and delivered to a post office in Dallas on a certain date. Since you have to pay up front to take delivery then someone had to be there at delivery time. Mr Oswald's time card from work puts him on the clock across town when the rifle was picked up. Now I haven't been able to nail down that any ID was required to do so but that's a possibility since it is a firearm. That means either Oswald was allowed to leave work and travel across town and presumably take it home all while on the clock which seems unlikely unless your employer is very generous with his time and money or it's part of your REAL job as an operative. The only other explanation is that someone else ordered the weapon and could not have had it delivered to Oswald's house since this person was not Oswald so instead had it sent to another location where they picked it up , possibly with Oswald's ID ( like maybe the extra wallet the police captain "found"at the Tippit shooting). The id in the wallet at the Tippet scene and the rifle order were both done with an alias, Hidell. Either solution to this problem is much like the bullet problem........ there had to be more than one person involved, therefore there has to be a conspiracy. I will gladly listen to ANY other explanation or ANY scenarios that show that these things can be done by one person.
i really like your videos and commentary, you are a good history teacher
Part 2: 40:49
Part 3: 1:26:18
Part 4: 1:58:03
I think MO said she didn’t think about Lee being involved in the shooting but then her friend mentioned the shooter was firing from his building-prompting her to check for the rifle.
Yo this is a crazy suggestion from UA-cam now lol
It’s crazy to think if Jack Ruby never killed Oswald what could have come from that trial. What if they discovered the importance of chain of custody? Maybe the Simpson case goes differently. Just wild that he was able to get close enough to kill him.
What’s really sad is that Oliver Stone believed Jim Garrison who supposedly knew all of this since he read the Commission Report, and still made JFK. I’m just shocked that Garrison didn’t say the School Book Depository supervisor was involved in the conspiracy.
Secondly, I’ve lived in Dallas all my life. Perspective is everything. If you visit Dealey Plaza, you can easily see Oswald could have done this by himself. It’s not a hard shot.
Conspiracy theorists will believe what they want to believe. There is not logic or rationality to it. It is basically a religion.
Yes, it is a 100% certainty that Oswald killed JFK, and it is a 99.8% certainty that Oswald did it alone. As you said, all the evidence and facts clearly point to this conclusion.
I reserve the infinitesimally small chance that Oswald was working for someone in case I am wrong, but I do not believe that is the case.
I do think Dallas PD wasn't as incompetent as sometime portrayed. The investigation has been more scrutinized by more smart people than any in history, but broadly they secured a case that would have easily convicted Oswald if it had got to trial and has broadly held up in over 60 years of scrutiny and alternative theories.
Arnold Rowland's sighting (13:16) shouldn't be dismissed. He mentioned it at the time to his wife, and he signed an affidavit on the day of the assassination about what he saw. He didn't see another gunman. He just Oswald looking out from another window. Oswald probably walked over to scope out the view from SW window 10 or 15 minutes before he went back to the SE window. Rowland's description fits Oswald. Rowland's sighting is credible. It's confirmed by his wife who recalled him noticing the man in the window. I think Rowland saw Oswald in the SW window.
Doesn't matter your view or agreement with a leader. Something like this would haunt you for life.
I have watched the original and your reactions to it now 3 times! Thanks for putting it together in a long form video, Chris!
Haven't finished this video, but just had to comment about one thing in regards to the rifle being transported in the package. If the rifle was transported to the book depository disassembled, then the scope would be completely useless because it would no longer be sighted in. At such a short distance, it would be more reliable to use the basic iron sights built into most guns.
Oswald probably only had to use the iron sights, but disassembling the rifle so that it fit into the bag Oswald was carrying didn't require removing the scope.
Oswald 1000% was the killer. There is absolutely zero doubt. And there was not a second shooter. We know this because we have a literal video showing the event from the exact spot where "curious individuals" insist the "real shooter" was standing.
Read Reclaiming History, Vincent Bugliosi. Excellent analysis. I've been to the museum in Dallas as well. Convinced me it was Oswald. The movie JFK is full of 1000 holes.
The simplest explanation isn’t sometimes true, it’s USUALLY true.
You should do a video reacting to the 1789 election from Premodernist. It’s really interesting, and I’d love to hear your take on it all
Sean Munger has wrapped this up. You should do a reaction to his two videos on the assassination.
I’m wondering if Oswald went to work that morning, taking the gun…and was winging it. Maybe he was hoping to get a perch somewhere only on the knowledge that JFK would be there, and that there would be a motorcade. There’s no way he could’ve known the top would be down. When he asked what everyone was looking at, and found that the motorcade was going right by the building, everything fell in place. Just a possibility…
Would HIGHLY recommend the book "Case Closed" on the assassination and Oswald. So many misleading or just wrong info gets shared about the assassination, and then this bad info gets "cited" by others over and over. People need to stick to contemporary sources and evidence. They never do. Sigh
I've driven that route and blink twice, your passed it.
You should consider reacting to Internet Historian's "The Gentleman Pirate." It's comedic, but it's an historically accurate (I.e., includes cited sources) account of Stede Bonnet.
One of the problems I have is why did Oswald not shoot JFK from straight on as the motorcade came towards the depository. A much easier shot than the one he took. I think the finisher was from the grassy knoll. JFK’s head is not immune from the laws of motion. An object struck by a missile moves in the same direction of the missile.
It's harder to hit a target moving toward you--and slightly to your left as the limo was relative to Oswald--than to hit one moving away from you in virtually a straight line, on a 3 degree down slope. JFK's head moved forward the instant he was hit, as did the blood and brain matter. There was never any shooter seen near the stockade fence, no casings found, and no bullets ever found. People ran behind the fence after the shooting and there was no one there. In addition, all of the ballistics and forensic evidence, the autopsy photos and X-rays, and the Zapruder film all show that JFK was shot from above and behind.
A straight on shot is in fact very easy to hit unless he was told to take the shot he did. His brains were on the back of the car which is what Jackie was trying to recover when she climbed out of her seat. Plus, the last shot clearly threw his head back. Behind the fence were two guys in older style Dallas PD uniforms that were no longer in use and had been shooing people away from the area prior to the shooting. DPD has no record of those officers.
@@jeffgreer4340 The shot on Houston required more lead adjustment. His brains were all over the car, more in front than in back in fact. Apparently you don't believe me when I said his head went forward the instant he was hit. It did, and you can find that out easily enough. If those two guys you mentioned did any shooting they never hit a thing, and no bullets and no casings were ever found, and they just disappeared into the wind right afterward. Conspiracy theories surrounding the JFK assassination are driven by everything but solid evidence and sound reasoning.
@@jeffgreer4340 So your response to "there's no way there could have been a shooter on the grassy knoll, for multiple reasons" is "Nah. Anyway..."
Analysing a guy's blurry 8mm home movie of the President being shot is not a substitute for the fact that, again, THERE IS NO EVIDENCE WHATSOEVER THAT THERE WAS A SHOOTER ON THE GRASSY KNOLL.
Apply Occam's razor. We don't know all the mechanics of the situation and thanks to Jack Ruby we'll never know the motivation, but it's far more plausible, given the evidence we do have, that the shooting was done by a lone shooter who acted alone. That shooter can _only_ have been Oswald.
Oswald was drinking a Coke in the breakroom at the time of the shooting. The police also initially reported the gun fired from the Depository as a 765 Mauser. If the Police Department doesn't know the difference between a Mauser and a Mannlicher (which the Italian infantry would just leave on the battlefields because they were so lousy), then I wouldn't trust much of whatever they reported.
Ed Hoffman, a deaf-mute reported a man with a rifle behind the stockade fence at the time of the shooting; there were fresh footprints and cigarrette butts found later there as well as it had rained earlier in the day. (No one coming to see the President would just hang out behind a fence with an opportunity to get close to the street.) The people that ran toward the Grassy Knoll reported being stopped by someone with false credentials, appearing to SS.
JFK's brain was missing most of the cerebellum, the part of the brain _beneath and behind_ the cerebrum, yet it weighed 10% more than an average male's full brain.
I can go on and on and on, but I'm finding it difficult to type while laughing at this Ballr person. They have no clue what they are talking about lol
I would like to suggest that you review all of the videos on the Kennedy assassination by America's Untold Stories. Mark Groubert has done extensive research. Thank you for all your good work.
My old pastor was bunk mates with Oswald in the military. After he retired from being a pastor, he and his wife opened a deli in the gas station down the road from my house and I would always go there in the mornings before school to get breakfast and we'd talk while they were cooking it. One morning, somehow, the topic of Oswald came up, and he started telling me about being bunk mates with him and what he was like. But I was probably only 14 or so, was tired, and wasn't really that interested in the topic, so what he said didn't stick with me. I can't for the life of me remember what he said about Oswald aside from regretting that he never talked to him about Jesus because he thought maybe if he had done that, this whole mess never would have happened. I wish I could ask him now, but he's since passed away.
Great video. I think your analysis is spot-on.
as a product of a cop, it comes off more as poor/outdated police work. what we know now with crime scenes and how to handle things hasnt always been. we learn over time and improve methods.
The crime scene inside the President's limo was mopped up with sponges and buckets, as it was parked outside the hospital. Guys in suits were seizing cameras and picking up bullets on the ground. Lots of evidence was undocumented and destroyed, just as it was years later at the RFK assassination.
Threads from the National Tapestry. Very good and detailed Civil war content. You should check him out (he is a historian as well too I think).
I second this! TFTNT is S tier content. History Gone Wilder is good too.
I saw an older comment mentioning that you should react to Wendigoon's video on JFK. I do think that is one of his weaker videos but one i absolutely love is Wendigoon's video on the MLK assassination. Absolutely fantastic work on his research and I would love if you made a reaction to it
His video on the JFK assassination is a joke. I hope it was meant to be.
@@9BallrI doubt it was meant to be. I love Wendigoon, because he's a morbidly curious goofball who loves to share stuff he finds interesting. But he is also a conspiracy theorist. And his JFK conspiracy video is just completely absurd 🤣
This is better than many professionally produced documentaries. Excellent work!
Concerning the "Conspiracy Theories", after much study, including reviewing documents that were held by the CIA and only released within the last 20 years, I have come to the following conclusions:
1) The government story of the lone assassin simply can't be ruled out because of the mountain of available evidence
2) The shooting of Lee Harvey Oswald by Jack Rubenstein, as pointed out, would lead any smart person to at least question the government story, and in viewing both Rubenstein's lie detector results and his discussion with the Warren Commission, it is clear to me he had more to say. I would recommend anyone that out-of-hand rejects any conspiracy theories to look at those documents.
3) The "Big 4" (The Mob, the Russians, the CIA, and the Cubans) collectively represent the majority of conspiracies' put forward. I believe "the Mob" was involved at some level, but it wasn't the Italian Maffia, it was the Jewish Maffia. I see no validity to Russian or Cuban involvement as there was so much to lose if things went wrong.
4) The concept of motivation (ie the risk/reward aspect) in this assasination has always loomed large in my mind... and was the motivating factor to continue researching from that perspective.
5) A large portion of the documents withheld from the public included information about the CIA's discovery of the Israeli development of a nuclear weapon at a sight called Dimona. I encourage anyone that is not aware of what I just said to look at the letters from Kennedy to Prime Minister David Ben Gurion and than later to Prime Minister Eshkol
A nation hell bent on protecting itself, investing enormous amounts of money developing a weapon capable of defense of its people, now placed at risk by a foreign leader demanding inspection would be clear motivation for such an operation.
6) George De Mohrenschildt gave the most extensive testimony out of ALL witnesses questioned by the Warren Commission. I ask readers to research this individual. If you are good at what you do, you will find his wife's statement when she had him committed to a Mental Hospital and the individuals he believed were intent on killing him. Additionally how he dies ...well I don't want to be a spoiler... but it's an "eye opener".
If you were playing a drinking game and took shot every time Chris says “that’s just a coincidence” you would be passed out long before this video ends.
1:55:00 100% she knew what was up.
If I am not mistaken Lemmino is Swedish. He should do an episode on Swedens own JFK style murder. The killing of Olof Palme. About the same intrigue and a killer never found. But several have been put forward and the conspiracy have been deep.
I was never smart enough to think a conspiracy.
I figured it had to be an amateur like Oswald, due to how bad he missed his first shot. Snipers don’t miss.
Wtf UA-cam
The first “X” was the bullet that hit both JFK and Connelly. The second “X” was the head shot.
History Gone Wilder has extremely great content. Should give him a look!
Edit: adding Threads From The National Tapestry. Absolutely rop tier civil war content.
1:54:40 You mention a crime of opportunity for Oswald, do you think there could be something to the theory that Oswald was actually more interested in assassinating Connelly than Kennedy?
Agree with the conclusion.
IF ANYTHING can come out of JFK's death it's the argument of whether you believe we're destined to follow a path in life or we have free will to blaze our own path. It's just so ironic how everything just dropped into place perfectly where it needed to be at the exact time. You can argue it's an absolute point in time similar to how Dr Strange cannot save his gf in What If or like in the Spiderverse where Spiderman MUST lose a loved one as that's their motivation for becoming the titular hero. You can argue that it's "God's plan" and we're just following the path set for us. You can argue we have free will, which would mean this feels like a 1 in a billion chance that everything happened just right at the exact time just like winning the lottery.
Two things:
1) do you believe that Dallas PD let Ruby in because of the mishandling of evidence could cause enough reasonable doubt?
2) i feel what you mean about the amount of people within the conspiracy but you have to remember project manhattan, hundreds of people working in one little area helping with the making of the atomic bomb, not knowing until after the bombings. Months, even years after.
1) Ruby just snuck in when the cop(s) at that entrance weren't looking. 2) There's still no actual evidence of a conspiracy so it doesn't really matter.
My personal thoughts:
1) a. The Dallas PD didn't have enough time to assess the mishandling of evidence and determine that it was so bad that Oswald would possibly not be convicted.
b. They still had enough evidence against Oswald for the murder of that policeman.
c. They still had to determine whether Oswald really acted alone, and what were his exact motives.
d. It's not a good look for the police when the main suspect is killed in their HQ in front of the press. Would they have risked their carreers (and potentially prison if caught) for that?
e. How would this have played out? They didn't know that a guy named JR wanted to kill Oswald. Did the police HQ guards searched JR, found his gun (without anyone else noticing) and decided to let him inside the HQ, because somehow they knew about the mishandling of evidence, and trusted JR for not denouncing them afterwards? Or did they approached JR and asked him to kill Oswald and go to prison?
2) Let's say it's an apple for apple comparison. In the case of the MP, there has been more than 1,500 leak investigations involving unauthorized disclosures of classified information. (source: fas [dot] org)
How do you not understand that these questions and assumptions you make are purely fictional?
Not necessarily a conspiracy theorist but to say that it was too messy for it to be a planned conspiracy seems hasty because it’s believable that a conspirator would try to make the plan in such a way that it would appear to be a crime of opportunity. I know that point is basically a huge cop out but worth a thought I’d say.
I look at it this way if it walks like a duck quacks like a duck looks like a duck it's a duck. Things have to fit like a puzzle in my mind for it to be make sense to me. I I like to verify it in my own head by obtain information like historically accurate videos like yours and the forensic that I saw on History vault plus whatever other information I can get my hands on. If everything fits for the most part that will be my opinion but it does not mean my mind is closed. I really don't have a doubt in my mind anymore that it wasn't Oswald his little twisted and opportunity. Like you said I don't believe there was anybody else involved because everything fits it feels right logically it just makes sense.
About the Mauser thing :
In 1963, WW2 isn't even 20 years old. This guy was a kid or a teenager at that time, and he probably heard the name Mauser a lot times, espacially if he had members of his family on the european front. The americans didn't fight for long the Italians so the name Carcano didn't come as famous as Mauser. The name was printed in his head so he said it, just like today, americans name "AR-15" nearly every rifle, and in Europe europeans name "kalachnikov" every rifle
I don't understand how bad the cops, the secret service, etc... are. Even the cop killed by Oswald. He sees a suspect that can be a killer so he should be ready for a shooting, etc...
For the book depository, how can he escape ? Why the cops are not at each exit ? The secret service didn't even have men at a place where the car is slow because of the turn ?
And also Ruby can kill Oswald easily ?
Oswald made the shots, but there are too much coincidences. There's probably someone behind him.
What a mess and incompetence from law enforcement during this entire situation
One of the voices sounds just like Fred Thompson
Sean Munger did a 4-5 hour in depth video about this a while ago. Check it out.
Sean Munger historian on UA-cam. The title is “Oswald killed JFK and he acted alone”.
Such a well laid out documentary not trying to show the facts of the events rather than focusing on drawing a conclusion. Personally I believe LHO acted alone. His choice of weapon for example, and the fact the eyewitness testimony here while casting doubt on Oswald casts and even larger doubt that someone else could have entered and exited the School Book Depository without being seen. Finally I think that there is an old expression two people can keep a secret only if one of them is dead, there is just too many people who would have had to know about the conspiracy and remained silent to be plausible.
Exactly. I’m an investigator and have researched this since I was a boy. It was probably the catalyst that got me started. I started my research believing it was a conspiracy since that is what most people believe. However, having learned a lot about firearms, human behavior, and from talking with some of the Dallas homicide investigators in the past (the last one is in his 90’s and is a friend), I am convinced beyond a doubt that Oswald acted alone. I always find it funny, that while having the least popular view, people will often call me naive or a sheep. When in fact, they are typically following the crowd without any real research other than watching Steven Spielberg’s fantasy movie. “Back and to the left, haha.”
@@williammoore772 If we use the same level of scrutiny to the conspiracy theories as we do to the findings we see they all fall apart far more quickly. Personally I think RFK's assassination is far more interesting where the eyewitness accounts vary wildly from the forensic investigation, not saying I think it was a conspiracy but that it is more interesting.
@@williammoore772 Correct, except it's Oliver Stone's fantasy movie, not Steven Spielberg's.
@@9Ballr, yeah, Spielberg would know better than to buy into crap like that, much less make a movie about it.
@@TomWilson-sy4jo, I find RFK's assassination more interesting for the sole reason that the guy who killed him is still alive and in custody.
Please react to wendigoons Kennedy conspiracy, I know you’re a history channel but I would love to see your take on his theories, or any Wendigoon content!
He also does historical videos such as castle Itter, unit 731 and Waco
That video is a complete joke 🤣 come on man
@@Shmuel420 I find it interesting
@@Shmuel420 Kennedy one might not as good for this but unit 731 is very informative
@@skeetyeet9048 there are much better videos on Unit 731. I love Wendi, but come on bro 🤣
2:26:11 this is honestly the part i disagree with you the most on, if the conspiracy is to cover up other peoples involvement muddying the water as much as possible is probably the best way to go about it so that no one story can be pinned down and even if someone were to land on the correct one by chance it would be easy to brush it off.
Great documentary is "JFK: What the Doctor's Saw". It's testimony of the people who took care of JFK and the things they saw. It provides a new perspective, as far as I know. I recommend anyone see it
I thought the theatre attendant called the police that someone entered without purchasing a ticket...why would the entire police force be needed to come for that..
I think you may have left out some important details. Let's see... They were looking for someone who had just shot and killed police officer J.D. Tippit and who was on foot in that neighborhood. Oswald was observed in the foyer of a shoe store by the manager (Johnny Brewer) apparently trying to hide from police. Oswald was then followed by Brewer down the street where he snuck into the Texas Theatre without buying a ticket, almost as if he was trying to hide from the police! So, I'm guessing the police thought this guy might be the guy who killed Tippit, and who was therefore armed and extremely dangerous. Does it make sense now that they might send a few police officers to the Texas Theatre?
You should react to the crisis of the third century.
Didn't James Earl Ray, the man who murdered Martin Luther King Jr., also say that he was carrying "curtain rods" ?
Supposedly, the soviets said Oswald was too crazy to be any use to them.
Too unstable I would say.
And if you know anything about Oswald...that's an accurate description lmao
I lean strongly towards the Warren Commission getting it right. However, the report does leave me with 2 huge questions not properly fleshed out.
1) it has been proven the particular ballistic characteristics of the 6.5mm Italian rifle’s cartridge is indeed capable of what the second bullet managed to do by wounding 2 people. That is sound ballistic science. No “magic bullet theory” nonsense, the physical evidence prove definitively these bullets do have that kind of punch through penetration power, in fact that’s what they are designed for… so the question then is, why/how did the head shot (3rd shot) react so differently than the second shot? They acted in 2 very different ways despite both coming from the rear of Kennedy???… was the second shot FMJ & the 3rd hollow-point? Or how else can this inconsistency be explained?
2) why did Governor John Connolly & his wife next to them be so sure they smelt burnt gunpowder immediately after Kennedy was shot?… Connolly was an avid hunter, and was very familiar with firearms. His testimony stating he smelt burnt gunpowder (which has a very distinct smell) suggests a shot from much closer. “Suggests”… so how could he smell that if all shots came from a distance, and from behind???
I really want to understand these 2 key issues I still have after my own research over the years.
My point exactly. The reaction from the last show doesn't match in my opinion. The third looks like an extremely close distance shot. As you said the testimony of the gunpowder is very powerful as well.
@@loganmaddocks4703 I think it’s possible to explain away those 2 questions in a way that supports the Warren Commission’s conclusions, but it is an oversight to leave these 2 questions unanswered. I am a veteran, been around firearms for 3 decades. I am familiar enough to ask these questions, but still well short of an expert to jump to an answer. The 1st one has some hints to an answer, as I eluded to, but that second question really puzzles me. I’ll always trust the testimony of someone (Connelly) with extensive experience with firearms over some fool who has never used a firearm thinking Oliver Stone’s movie JFK has some historical value lol
@@James-zg2nl I agree with you. I have been around firearms my whole life as well. Shot my first one when I was 4 and I'm 27 now. I also agree with ceding my knowledge to people in the field. However, with what we know now about what the CIA was up to back then on top of JFK saying he wanted to close the federal reserve and shut down the CIA to wind up dead not very long after is nothing less than a very large coincidence.
@@loganmaddocks4703 touché. Overly convenient for those that would have been outed. Doesn’t mean a conspiracy, but definitely invites questions to explore.
@@loganmaddocks4703 JFK never wanted to shut down the CIA, this is nonsense. He simply suggested a 10% budget cut, which is what LBJ did anyway.
Frazier was threatened with the electric chair 🪑
I'm 70 years old I was in fourth grade when President Kennedy was killed it was a terrible day the whole United States seemed to go into a deep mourning the 60s sucked I saw it all on TV
Honestly, it sounds like a CIA operation to the tee
Makes sense, considering Oswald worked for the CIA when he defected to Russia for his clandestine mission. Using Occam's Razor, sometimes the most obvious answer is the most correct - in this case, Oswald didn't work alone, and was a patsy, as he said in front of the cameras.
I mean, we are given the fact that Oswald worked for the CIA when he went to Russia. Are we to believe that he returned with his Russian wife and was never contacted by the CIA, and acted purely alone? The CIA does not totally forget about persons who worked for them, especially ones with Marine training and CIA spy training.
@@bobholtzmannthat is quite literally false 🤣
I think this is the earliest I’ve been for one of your videos
I sometimes tell people that “the CIA framed Oswald. They wanted to frame a mid level member of the Greater Dallas KKK (Think of the ‘Wanted for Treason’ flyer). He (the KKK member) kept his rifle in a gun cabinet in the living room, but the KKK member’s house was guarded by a couple of Dobermanns. Oswald kept his rifle, in the garage. Oswald was the next best choice.” It’s not true, but it sounds “plausible” to a “conspiracy theorist.”
Why would you tell a conspiracy theorist something they would believe if you know it's not true
@@Shmuel420 When I was younger I used to believe it, based on the JFK “Wanted for Treason” flyer being circulated in Dallas, at the time.
@@HVACSoldier oh you mean you used to tell people? Lol. And I am well aware that the majority of Americans (even still) believe there was a government conspiracy to kill Kennedy.
I am of the opinion that the vast majority of people are very easily swayed by people who feign intelligence.
See: Joe Rogan talking to literally any crackpot on his podcast 😂
And people can assume that just cause he was seen at certain place at certain time that he's Bee there for a while nope he literally could have just got there been there barely a second lol
You should check out WKUK John F. Kennedy Assassination
I know people have a lot of different opinions about who took the shots and who is responsible. I'm from Dallas and I even know a few people who are in the warren report but don't proclaim any inside information. There is one small thing that never gets mentioned that proves logically that the official story can't be correct. If the " magic bullet" went into Kennedy's back and out his throat after possibly hitting bone then went completely through the car seat and hit Connelly s wrist shattering it, then careened into his left thigh ,also had to penetrate Kennedy's suit and Connelly suit, at least once and was discovered in almost pristeen condition. Sounds like a full metal jacket. The bullet that hit Kennedys head in a glancing blow absolutely fragmented into microscopic size pieces. So for the official report to be correct Oswald would have had to have shot 2 different kinds of ammunition from one rifle. The three spent shells found in the floor were all the same. One is explosive fragmenting bullet, one is a full metal jacket. So either Oswald had ammunition that does not exist or there were 2 weapons.
It wasn't a fragmenting bullet, it just came apart because it hit JFK's skull at full force. The fragments from that bullet were matched to Oswald's rifle.
I am surprised that you give much credit to LemmiNo ahead and during this video, but you just avoid or refute certain evidence. Evidence that would suggest the original story being false. Evidence that has been proven in testimonies removed from the Warren Commission.
For instance: You say that time moves differently if you've seen something as traumatic as this event. Not everyone did see the traumatic event and their time recollection is the same as the ones presented by LemmiNo in this video. It is 90 seconds according to the Police who saw Lee Harvey Oswald. Even if time moves differently you shouldn't watch the time, you should watch the event. The policeman ran past the two women at ground floor, met with Lee Harvey Oswald on 2nd floor, and there are people on 3rd, 4th, and 5th that say it is impossible for Lee to move ahead of them.
You also refute all eye-witnesses that change their stories. You refuted one guy that had 5 years in between his stories, while we know the Dallas Police altered their testimonies and manipulated them. The guy who were on the other side of Houston said he saw someone at the back of the building. But there are no exit doors on that side of the building. What there is, on the other hand, is a fire escape (you see it in the 3d model, and in the pictures) and I haven't heard a single person mention this firescape at all.
If the Connely report is correct, and a shooter looking like Oswald was at floor 6, how could he get out? Just walk outside on the firescape and walk down. The crisis is on the 6th floor, ground floor, and southern part of the building, as well as the daily plaza, moving on the northeastern part of the outside of the building would be without issues, right?
I generally give bad forensic work from this era a break because a lot of the standard practices police do now weren't standard then or weren't always trained to the same standard as say the FBI.
Looking back at history with the hindsight we have now is only going to cause issues.
You should react to Sean Munger 2 part Oswald Acted Alone
nothing could be concluded from lemmino's video. so many witnesses with conflicting versions. the witnesses who heard shots were all over the map as to how many and where they came from. amazing how sloppy the police work was. not taking photos of the casings. not having a recorder to tape oswald. the video could not trace oswald's tracks after the shooting. nobody was sure of anything. nice presentation but it left you saying to yourself.....HUH??
I agree with you, I feel like Lee decided to do this on a whim. If it was planned he surely would’ve had a better exit strategy. Seems like he shot, sat there for a split second to admire his work, and then the “oh shoot I really just did that!” mode kicked in and he just got out of the vicinity the fastest he could which is why he made so many mistakes during and directly after the shooting.
Given some of the actions he took beforehand (most notably leaving his wedding ring behind), I'm convinced that Lee didn't expect to leave Dallas alive, and was probably expecting to die a martyr. Obviously, that didn't happen (the martyr part, not the dying part).
33:00 still , i wasn't alive at the time JFK or Ronald Reagan assasination and attempts happened yet when i saw Trump get hit i automatically thought about those cases , there have been cases like these before too , Lincoln , everybody heard about it , Roosevelts etc , no reason for that guy to not get concerned imo , but then again people told secret service about the Trump case yet they did nothing , maybe the Kennedy case would have been the same too , neither of them are liked by the background people
I don't get how rational people can think there is a conspiracy 🤣 like use your common sense and look at the evidence, come on!
Can you do a reaction to the "Kennedy assination" by the Chanel how it was
I want to say that I respect your opinion and it is valid. Being that you have been to Dealey Plaza does not make you inerrant , however. There is just so much evidence out there that this is not the case that you don’t have to be ignorant. I challenge you to do some research as a Devil’s Advocate. It just might broaden your horizon. I have researched both sides, obviously, I have researched one more extensively. The amount of information suppression was unreal. For an instance of what this information suppression could have resulted in, at one point this vid shows statistics (I do not know their validity or origin) which highlight that “very few” witnesses recall hearing gunshots from multiple locations. This is an easy statistic to manipulate. This video is the “classic” for anyone who does not care about the government and does not care about their freedom, lol. By this, I mean that, if you do not care that there was a premeditated, deliberate, and successful attempt to assassinate a sitting President than you don’t care about freedom or your country. I have to ask, “Why was there no raw footage of the actual motorcade on that fateful day included?” I would think that to be incredibly important. Since it was captured on video, please show us the video. Slow it down . . . Show the trajectory of the three bullets. Please explain why the Texas governor was hit. Why was his head blown backwards? This supposed gun was pretty powerful. A hit to the back of the head will throw him forward. I’m pretty sure that is why he didn’t want to include it. I know that slightly conflicting witness testimony is good, but this stuff is whack. Also, why would you kill someone else on your way out of town? This story is laughable. He is supposed to have his curtain rod box with as rifle in it. Where did the pistol that he supposedly killed an officer with come from? Sorry to do such a long comment, but it just frustrates me when ppl refuse to do research and just believe whatever they are told. I realize that you have done some of your own, like going to the place. Do more research. Look up the podcast, The Investigations: Who Killed JFK. This is documented fact.
Hot Damn i wasn't expecting a 2 and a half hour video i need to get my popcorn
Oswald the shooter hey? You want to buy some good swamp land?
Holy. This is gonna be fun! I’ve watched this video like 3 times and I’m excited to see what you’re take is.
If he didn't do it man they picked the perfect patsy cause how he acted before and during the assaination he did seem suspicious be like the creatior of quantum leap said he met Oswald and he's like he did it how he acted he knew when he saw they caught him he wasn't super surprised he was yep that's him the stuff he said when he saw him he knew he was going to do something like this that's why he did those episodes of quantum leap where Sam is leaping through Oswald life so you see him in military sniper and working with the russians trying to commit s then in Dallas curtain rods even before that there was someone else that he saw and he tried to shoot him but he had bend down for something at last second all leading up to the assination those some crazy episodes and seeing how they did the assaination and him leaping from Oswald so he wasn't in him when he shot but he jumps to the guy that jumps on back of car telling Jackie to get down and hrs looking around I was automatically like oh shoot he's still shooting got to be careful you don't get shot but forget once Kennedy last shot he didn't shoot no more so crazy HOA they recaptured that and he's like every leap he was suppose to stop something this one he didn't well turns out in original history Oswald didn't just shoot JFK but also Jackie so since Sam was leaped there and he leaped out of Oswald messed him up a second and him jumping on back of car telling her to get down he only got JFK the real photos they showed at end so weird and the music so weird watching this guys life leading up to this crazy event and the aftermath and what could have been what changed so crazy but the dude said he made those episodes to make sure its clear it was him just him no conspiracy course I can see how people think the government was behind it knew it was going to happen and didn't do anything if anything helped things along how government acted afterwards how they destroyed evidence people been wanting them to investigate this more release all evidence but took them long time even then don't see everything they even destroyed some thousand documents and they supposedly to release new evidence never before seen some time but ever time they release some stuff other stuff still classified why if there's nothing to hide just release everything you trying to hide stuff or not telling us everything makes you! Look suspicious lol
People get far too invested in conspiracy. I enjoy a good roll in the muck too, but I don't presume to know more than the investigators.
The conspiracy crowd doesn't presume to know more than the investigators either.....their concern lies in investigators not being honest about what they know.
If the government story is what actually happened, the investigators were more incompetent than a bunch of kindergarteners doing brain surgery blindfolded. From there's no fingerprints on the rifle to there's fingerprints on the rifle, which by the way changed from a Ruger? to the Carcano; from Oswald was in Mexico no he was seen in LA no he was somewhere else; from drunken debauchery from the SS; from last minute changes in the route that just happened to make the assassination easier; from other botched assassination plans in FL and Chicago; to LBJ bragging he won't have to worry about the Kennedy's any more; to Oswald being assassinated while in custody; to Oswald's interviews not being recorded or notated; to Marina living with Ruth Paine to teach her Russian although she herself taught Russian classes years before; there's literally millions of questions unanswered and unexplored by the 'investigators'. Occam's Razor: it was not as the government tried to tell us.
Dunno Chris, I’m concerned the attending physicians don’t agree with the Warren Commission on the fatal wound. I’ve also been to Dealy Plaza and even with new buildings built since 1963, I didn’t hear any echos-even when a loud Harley went down the parade route.
You mean the physicians at Parkland? Four of the five doctors at Parkland who treated JFK (all but McClelland) said that nothing they observed contradicted the autopsy finding that the bullets were fired from above and behind by a high velocity rifle, and that they did not see evidence of gunshot wounds from the front. Yes, Dealey Plaza is an echo chamber. Lee Bowers who worked in the tower behind the parking lot on the other side of the stockade fence talked about how he often could not tell where sounds were coming from because of the echo effects of Dealey Plaza.
Yeah I’m in the minority. IMO Oswald acted alone. Sean Munger did a good video 2 part series (Oswald Acted Alone) that acts as a good companion to this minority view. It’s easy to take the conspiracy view, I get it and used to believe it was but no longer.
Really wish you could react to more of his content, but i understand why you refrain from it after his stance on reaction videos was made
I disagree with your assessment of this video just confirming bias actually. I've believed for most of my life at this point that the government was involved. But just halfway through your video, it's making me question that. It also gives more credibility to some ex-cia (or was it ex-fbi?) agents saying that the remaining classified JFK files have "nothing interesting" and that people "would be disappointed".
I feel like there could still be other involvement, but as someone who's never looked at the evidence and just having gone by statements from people that have, I'm very surprised at how much this is changing my thoughts on the matter.
I can’t watch any more of this
Didn't lemino say he doesn't like when people do these reaction videos of his videos?
This is different from how streamers react though, VTH added a whole hour of additional commentary to the original video and he also continuously says to watch the original video before watching his.
@@georgevillafranca619 Somewhat yes. Some people are just watching the whole thing and being shocked to something and laughing to something. VTH brings lot of knowledge. But there is no editing whatsoever. It is the whole video. Is it necessary for educational purpose to show the whole video? There is grey line, but if the creator is opposed for others to show the whole video I think there atleast should be respect on that.
@@derapalum6692 Yeah you’re right, VTH is good at reaching out to the original creators and respecting their wishes in the past though. He should reach out to LEMMiNO if he hasn’t already.
what's he gonna do? he can't stop people from reacting to his content in any form they choose. reaction vids are just part of youtube.
Yeah, he pretty explicitly called VTH out.
The sixth floor is not the top floor
Jeremy Clarkson's series about the Victoria Cross is really great. Worth a reaction 😊
If you go in expecting to find a conspiracy, guaranteed you will find one. That's how conspiracy thinking works. It doesn't matter what evidence is found or not found, it will all get interpreted as proving the theory.
Excellent point.
The other thing is that is NEVER discussed is that conspiracies traditionally focus primarily on strategies prior and up to the commission of the crime for the excellent reason that those are the only events under one's direct control. The idea that you can after-the-fact control what ER doctors see and say, where and if a forensic autopsy will or will not be held and what the prosectors will document, whether or not an investigating commission will or will not be appointed, who will be on it, and which government agency will be responsible FOR it -- it all goes far beyond whether the nutjob ex-marine you've chosen to take the fall has credible marksmanship credentials to play the lead role.
I am studying critical thinking and when you are provided a conclusion and trying to prove that conclusion your accuracy is less than 50% however when you have the evidence to lead to the conclusion the accuracy is less than 99%. There can not be 100% accuracy when six pieces of information are present, add emotions into the equation and your talking less than 50% accuracy when trying to build to a conclusion and less than 25% accuracy when you have a conclusion and trying to build support. Because it is possible for people to find patterns in anything with 6 elements of information for the brain to process, a conspiracy can be formed even though it doesn't exist. Also conspiracy theories have some level of truth but the conclusion is false. Furthermore unless someone has photgraphic memory nobody could remember the events that happened the same way every time.
Inductive reasoning is what's required to establish the truth of empirical claims, like those regarding the JFK assassination. When an inductive argument is strong (a technical term in logic), that means that the truth of the premises would make the probability that the conclusion is true greater than 50%. Arguments that purport to show that JFK's assassination was the result of a conspiracy fall way below the 50% threshold.
@9Ballr thanks for the information, I struggle with my memory recall from time to time so I was just putting my information in the ballpark.