You mean that in a market where the top of the line products have their prices super inflated, the lower end users get crap quality? Say it ain't so! Nobody could see this coming!
They can't blame this one on miners. Cutting the spec and increasing the price. I have a feeling this 4GB "variant" isn't long for this world. Expect an upgrade. For more money of course.
But that's the thing: with a 128 bit bus you have two options: 4GB and 8GB. It is that simple. One memory module takes 32 bits of buswidth. So you need 4 modules. GDDR6 is available in 1GB and 2GB modules.... You really believe that Nvidia is going to let their mobile "peasant level" GPUs have as much VRAM as their desktop 3070/Ti? People are already scratching their head why the desktop 3060 has 12GB when the desktop 3080 only has 10GB....
@@andersjjensen the 3070 does have 8gb though. and when compared to a concurrent 2070S max q both at 80-100w. The 3070 shows the % jump from rtx 1st gen to ampere. Especially on desktops if i cap my NON AAA games to my refreshrate. My 3070 strix sees 80-125w max in most NON intensive games especially PVE where g-sync or sub 4ms frame times dont even matter(imo) esp when a controller is being used. The problems with laptops in general is how un-educated the buyers are and how they try to "idealize" a 15" panel or "solution" to be ideal for "gaming" or 300hz for fps and "higher res" for "future proofing"....yet the gpus are max q or lack mux switch(in the case of 300hz options)..........theres a relative level of efficacy that is largely missed by the buyers....that the manufacturers are PUSHING out as a standard. 140w 3070 with a 5800h out benchmarks most non unlocked intel builds and non zen3 amd builds with 2070-2080 desktop gpus as it is.....LAPTOPS are like one of the only viable/puchase options at the moment for 1080p-1440p gaming....sadly...at least they can sell these laptops a year later for minmal losses vs a "budget" build that drops in value with each passing year. But 3070 laptops are priced in the "full build" price point. Im just saying this bc you have to think about all the 3600-3700x b450 builds that nobody wants to buy second hand. ETC that can barely keep up with these 3070 140w laptops as is. these 1000-1500$ builds. That are already dated and being passed in 1440p by laptops. As long as i can find the right components for the right price ideally with a full TB nvme. I can always afford a 2-300$ monitor afterwards vs "BUYING" into a 300hz 15" panel that literally blows for competitive FPS bc its soo damn small. PPL really prove their "lack" of experience gaming on a laptop if theyre going to STAN playing CS:GO or valorant off 15" then say "thats all i have or can afford" off a thousand dollar+ system....thats a suckers game. Just like trying to sell a ryzen 2 system, or "saving to upgrade" THEIR GPU so they can get a 3080 and wind up with 3070 performance figures.
@@andersjjensen Or they can go with a 192 bit bus width like they did for the GTX 1660 Ti's these cards are technically meant to replace. Which would allow 6gb of gddr6, at the very least for the RTX 3050 Ti.
@@andersjjensen do you work for Nvidia? Shill. 4 GB in 2021 is utter garbage for a card that is 2 gens ahead of the 1050 Ti of 2016 which also had 4 GB vram.
@@eazen I didn't say it wasn't a crappy decision. I said given the buswidth the choice is 4GB, 8GB or redesign the silicon. And if you can't detect the seething sarcasm in the later part of the statement you should probably read it again....
Don't think NVIDIA has anything to do with your video memory. That would be your computer. I have 12gb video memory in my laptop and the 3050 does just fine
Next year Jensen Huang introduces a brand new GPU generation product, the GeForce RTX 4050 Demen Ti! It has 3 GB of memory, with 512 MB more accessible once they remember to enable more in drivers to make them appear as good guys with a free memory upgrade.
@@MatisseXV 1000$ AMD/Nvidia laptop with 3060 is good value. A comparable PC sits at around 1400-1600$ but is a bit faster as well and better upgradable. For desperate users that 1000$ Laptop is a alternative.
@@eazen "Good value" compared to what? RTX 3060 is just a rebranded 2060S when you see its performance. RTX 3060 laptop is even slower. And has only 6 GB. I would never spend 1000+ for a gaming experience full of compromise.
Generally the cards with more RAM are using slower, cheaper RAM. Adding more basically increases bandwidth, just not as much as smaller capacity, faster RAM. That and Nvidia is cheap and doesn't like their cards to last long term.
I think they believe (and maybe rightly so) that many average joe consumer just don't really care about VRAM. A few days ago a guy I know just bought an RTX 3070 TI. He plays at 1440p but still I wouldn't want a card that powerful with 8 gigs in Q3 2021. Even in 2016/17 tons of people were buying 3GB 1060 even though nowadays an 8 GB RX 570 often kicks its ass despite being cheaper.
Do you belive that people were making fun of me because i said that "only 8GBs in a RTX 3070,ti and super is infuriating, no way i'm going nvidia next time" There's even one guy calling me a miner because of that. nvidia is crippling their gpus with this VRAM bullshit, within 2 years, your high end GPU is gonna suffer to run 4k stuff, something she should be good at, but wont because of the VRAM limitations
I dont get it either although I'm sure it's got something to do with getting you to upgrade sooner rather than later. The 3080 was marketed as a 4K card and had less vram than last years flagship. Many people were saying ho 10gb is fine for now which is nonsense. Ita borderline and it's because UA-camrs and others make videos saying that it's OK for now instead of calling Nvidia out for it.
That comparison made no sense to me, it's a card marketed for 1080p gaming medium-high.I Now the gram limiting is just to push people to buy the the 3060. Which coincidentally will work fine for 1440p which was likely the target
Nvidia make only stupid cards when it comes to the mid and low range segment (like 3050 Ti laptop and 3060 desktop). A big no for all this pieces of trash. Good old times when a $329 card was faster than last gen flagship with more vram and actually sold for $329.
@@MatisseXV The 3060ti is the only card in the entire line up that has an amount of VRM that makes some kind of sense compared to it's performance bracket. The 3080 is absolutely, hands down, the card that makes the least sense. It is already thrashing the PCIe bus at 4K Ultra in RE Village, Godfall, Doom Eternal and Cyberpunk with Raytracing set to max because of it's skimpy VRAM. Ideally the lineup would have been 8GB 3060/ti 12GB 3070/ti 16GB 3080/ti 32GB 3090 The 3060 is $40 too expensive because it has 4GB more VRAM than it needs. The rest are too expensive because they have way too little VRAM to justify the price :P But Nvidia, in their infinite wisdom, decided to keep the buswidth of last gen once more, so they're stuck with "too little or too much" for nearly all models. The only "done right by accident" they have is the 3060ti because it is based on 3070 silicon. And for that precise reason it is also hard to come by. The vast amount of dies are good enough for 3070s and 3070tis... so Nvidia are going to cut down good dies to make 3060tis exactly when 3070s and 3070tis start sitting on shelves, and not a second sooner.
"The 3060 is costing at most 20% more than the 3050Ti" Yes, and its 50% more card in every single way, which is a higher jump than from any other tier, but its only around 30% faster on average? The 3060 is the "mainstream" gpu, if there is one, and the 3050 series is "entry", in every single way.
Sure, but "Entry" doesn't mean the people who buy it need to be ripped off. I believe the 3050ti exists only to push people to think, "only 20% more cost" and buy a 3060 instead. Nvidia knows it can afford to ignore the entry level market this generation. They should have had 6 GB on the 3050 and 3050 ti and 8 GB on the 3060.
I'm already dealing with 5GBs of VRAM usage in Doom Eternal with High Textures (4.5GBs without RT?) on my 3060 Max-Q, can't begin to fathom what it'd be like even trying to enable RT on a 4GB GPU, jesus.
8 GB is already not enough in some games if you want to max them out at 1080p. 10 GB is fine for now for everything. The game i was talking about is Red Dead Redemption 2 with even the AA at 8x. It's an extreme case but it shows the limits of 8 GB. I was interested in the RTX 3080 10 GB but not for 1200 euro...
Something like a Legion 5P from last year, with the higher powered RTX 2060 and Ryzen 7 4800H seems a better buy than a newer laptop with a 3050Ti to me. You often see those slightly older Lenovo laptops go on offer in the UK.
@Doom Wraith exactly - 4Gb of VRAM just isn't gonna cut it in this day and age, unless you want to stick to playing old classics. 1660ti is right up there with 2060, especial with the "non-max P" versions of 2060 (eg. TGP of 80/90 watt).
This whole video encapsulates the reaction I initially had when I saw a laptop at one of the retailers in my country with a 3050 Ti with 4GB VRAM and 8GB RAM.
Lol, when I was searching best buy for a Laptop, there was no indication that the 3050 ti only had 4gb of vram. Heck, IDK if it was done on purpose, Best buy didn't even advertise one of the Lenovo Legion laptops to even have a 3050ti. The only reason I realized something was up was when I saw the RTX sticker on it. Glad I didn't pay 1200 for that laptop and just got a 2020 Razer Blade 15 with 1660 ti for the same price.
@@dhgmrz17 ouch, you can get these laptops for $850 or less new or even around $650 refurbished, which actually makes them a respectable deal. Anyone buying one of these as a hardcore gaming machine should step back and realize there is a reason the better models cost quite a bit more these days.
@@besomewheredosomething There is a compromise. Make sure whatever your buying has no soldered storage/ram. I purchased one of these with a ryzen/3050ti. With the laptop I bought a 16gb-3200 kit 2x8. It is mandatory with these..even a high end GPU. 8GB is simply not enough. 4GB of vram..is getting to be too little. Still have some time.
It's actually slower, because when it hits VRAM limits; performance falls off a cliff. Which doesn't happen to the GTX 1660 Ti. They kept comparing it to the RTX 2060, but even the GTX 1060 outperforms the RTX 3050 Ti when a game uses over 4gb of VRAM and they show that in the video.
Because 1GB of GDDR6 currently costs about $10 from the manufacturer. That leaves $170 for the GPU, PCB, VRM components, heat sink + fans, the various little SMD bits and bobs, the HDMI license royalty, shipping, tarifs and taxes.... and the reason to do it in the first place: the profit. In 2025 when everyone realized they built WAY to much wafer capacity we're all going to have a consumer fest... but it's probably going to be a bit of a dry spell until then :-/
Makes sense, it's now going into Acer Swift X. The same Acer Swift laptop that lots of K12 Schools buy in mass to put in classrooms and libraries, and they're selling the 3050 Ti model for just $999.
i don't think 4gb makes sense for any card anymore. since nvidia will only release rtx cards going forward 6gb needs to become the minimum. i also don't see amd releasing a 4gb card either.
@Doom Wraith i assume the desktop 3050 ti will have 6gb. i really can't imagine anything else. especially since there isn't any 6gb rtx 3000 card right now anyway. but i fully expect the 3050 to have 4gb.
AMD are releasing their Navi 24 (laptop and desktop), their final RDNA2 GPU, later this year, with a 64-bit bus, 16CU's, 1024 Shaders and 4GB GDDR6. The perf expectations is of a RX 580 / GTX 1660, at board power (75W). It will probably be named to 6500 XT to price gouge the poor consumers at $250, when it should be named the RX 6300 priced at less than $100 since it's replacing and in the category of the RX 560 (and the RX 5300, which was OEM-only) class (for 2021). But no, AMD will price the MSRP at $200 or above for this shit, just like the greedy fucks at Nvidia. Remember, corporations are not your friend.
I think 4GB still makes sense for budget cards aimed at eSports/lighter duties. I still have a 4GB card, and it's working fine for me, but I sure wouldn't buy it new today, unless it was sub $150 MSRP.
@@rayyanamir8560 It's called getting senile. No intention of trolling. I honestly mixed my years up. My 2011 had 4GB of VRAM and my 2014 had a 8GB variant of the GTX 880M. My cousin is still using that one, I gave it to him 3 years later when he started college. Side note: Getting old sucks. 😑
The xx50 (ti) was always a solid GPU for general use and light gaming. Good if you want something other than integrated GPU, but dont expect the GAMING experience.
@@peterpan408 but they are charging the "gaming experience" price. the 1650 ti laptops are correctly priced like $700 or less usually. even with the shortage the 3050ti price is crazy.
@@ThaRealERAQ I suppose someone will buy them at the silly price, realise it chokes on higher settings and cannot RT well, and sell it second hand for a more reasonable price 😉
Unfortunately AMD's gpus are terrible(driver stability is garbage on my rx5700, performance in workstation is significantly worse and luckluster features) so there is no good option.
@@pandanutiypanda you're the only guy with driver problems on AMD in 2021. Maybe consider upgrading your drivers. But always try keeping the cliche alive I guess, despite great drivers from AMD now. Numerous reviews on this on the internet btw.
@@eazen "Driver stability is garbage" means "I fiddled all the settings and tweaked everything I didn't understand twice. I also downloaded every .reg file that claimed to improve performance off the internet and I documented none of it".
4GB is enough to play practically all games as long as you don't mind knocking details down a notch or two, which I believe many people will eagerly do when it saves them $150+.
@@teardowndan5364 na mate people should definitely not think that way lower VRAM is worst case scenario for gaming PC because a big chunk of PC gaming/master race is superior texture. And it sucks if you are playing on PC when a comparable console now for same price can offer so much better performance.
@J S 8GB is perfectly fine on everything below 80 series cards in Nvidia's line for gaming. This may change in the next year when more games come out for the latest consoles that are much faster than the previous generation and will use much higher resolution textures than the 8th gen did.
@@piotrj333 You know the funniest part of the RTX 3050 Ti launch? The fact that it can't even compete with the GTX 1660 Ti it's set to replace. Apparently the desktop RTX 3050 Ti's come with 6gb gddr6. Really looking forward to all the Nvidia fanboys realizing it's a GTX 1660 Ti with piss poor ray tracing performance.
2 years later and it's pretty much barely hanging with a 1660Ti. In 1 year when textures pass 4GB the 3050 Ti will be slower and continue to get slower as it ages. Nice Nvidia planned obsolesce out of the box. I'm happy with my 1660Ti (mobile) but AMD just makes more sense (for this current generation at least).
Indeed. RTX 3000 mobile is a bit of a bust imo. The only one that makes any sense is a 3060m as a 2060 desktop replacement. But even that is pretty niche. Rx 6000 mobile is were the value is, although the lack of DLSS might hurt in the future if studios don’t find FSR as easy to implement as AMD claims
@@bananya6020 Much less silicon real estate but jacked the frequency up. Normally its "a little less silicon real estate" plus "a mild frequency bump" = lower tier performance at lower price and lower wattage... But you know... greed is a powerful motivator, so this gen you only got lower tier performance.
Noob gamer here. Bought my 1st gaming laptop which was a MSI GF75 3050TI . Didnt know the 3050TI was even worse than the 1660TI lol! Refunded the laptop immediately.
@@Alirezarz62 I feel for u. I even used the laptop 2 days, played a few high demanding games and even lost the fabric MSI cover the laptop was in. Only had to factory reset and they still took it haha!
@@Tony-bd8eb I'm happy for you. In my case I got an Asus Strix G15 with 5800h and rtx 3070 its a great laptop untill you find out that how much Asus cheaped out on it! After I got it I immediately realised it has a cheap 144hz monitor with 66% sRGB and sub 250nits brightness! It's just so bad compared to my pc monitor back at home. Also I found out that the 16GB of RAM is actually in single channel so the performance is heavily tanked too... I can't refund it unfortunately
@@Alirezarz62 Ur kidding right? I was planning to get the ROG Strix G15 3060 next! Now I dont know anymore. Probably gonna go for the legion or a nitro
@@Tony-bd8eb Don't get me wrong it's an amazing laptop at this price but you have to watch out for the exact model you are getting! If you can get the 300hz screen that model doesn't have my issues and its far better
3050ti should've been a 3050, with the 3050ti having 6GB of VRAM. I mean DLSS is great and all but, it's too little too late, imagine an FSR title on a 3050ti vs a 1660ti where you need more than 4GB of VRAM, it'll be no contest I'm sure.
Bingo! When FSR hits on Nvidia cards, it will make the RTX 3050ti look stupid next to a 1660ti. Don't know what kinda operation Nvidia is running here, but they must not be reading the market lol AMD has a chance to make them (Nvidia) look like idiots here.
@@scroopynooperz9051 they already did. A lot of users are buying the 6700 XT instead of the 3070 . I also saw comments on people buying 6800 series instead of 3080 because of Vram, but the latter comparison is much less severe. 8 GB vram is the absolute minimum and barely enough now for semi highend gpus for 1440p or 4K. You would want those 12 GB instead. But 10-12 GB is still fine for 3080 series.
@@SuperLotus exactly, my 5 year old gtx 1060 laptop even has 6gb vram and outperforms the rtx 3050ti in some higher demanding vram games like ac valhalla...
@@ariq4209 You can use high res textures without increasing your other graphics settings, you know that, right? You don't have to use the graphics presets that the games provide.
How do you figure they're going to do what when the chip has a 128 bit bus? It takes 4 memory modules by the very nature of things. They're stuck with either 4 or 8GB of VRAM, and it would look astonishingly stupid if their peasant level mobile GPU has as much VRAM as the desktop 3070/ti...
NVIDIA seems to be intentionally holding it back from the 3060 by limiting the VRAM. The laptop versions of the cards should have 6GB and 8GB respectively.
@@rayyanamir8560 Well, the 24 GB on the RTX 3090 should be plenty for a lot of years... but it's the RTX 3090 that won't last lot of years at ultra settings at 4K. An RTX 3090 with 16 GB would have made more sense and be cheaper if possible to make.
as a 3050ti owner. yea 5gb would have been leaps ahead of the 4gb to be honest. however it still runs everything up to the newest Elden Ring at a solid 60fps. so i have no complaints. especially since i just came from a base Ps4 this does everything 10x better. it just doesnt have enough vram 6 would be great for this but 5gb should have been the minimum
Honestly the only card in the entire 30 lineup that has VRAM in accordance with its performance/price bracket is the desktop 3060ti. Everything else is just plain wonky...
Or they should make just more 3060 and sell them for reasonable prices and maybe not make a 20% cut on every sold card and go back to 10% like every other company does on their products
Wasn't it 3,5Gbyte ... + 0.5 slow on the GTX 970. Due to how the Chip was designed. Of course later they redesigned chips so that the memory controller wasn't directly hooked up on on the SM's like that.
On my desktop I have an rtx 3070 8gb and it's a little bit more over the general average of 6gb required by most 2018-2021 titles but there are already some games that require more than that.My laptop has a 4gb gtx 970m and it struggles to play games newer that 2019.I can't even imagine someone sane would create a 4gb vram laptop in 2021.This shit is a brick...
I watch alot of benchmarks on guru3d and even on most vram demanding games they never find any difference in performance on 6gb cards vs 8gb on 1080p with few exceptions on 1440p resolution, but things are about to change in 2022 even on 1080p.
@@1GTX1 you won't find any difference in performance.The problem is that some games in order to play them in ultra settings(2k resolut.)require more than 8gb vram.If you try to play them in a 6gb or 8gb card you wont be able to do it.
"No one cared about the memory until we limited it to 4GB." "If I exceed that memory limit will you die?" "It would be extremely painful." "You're a big die." "4U."
Solid info as usual. Additional performance in Assassin's Creed Valhalla: 1080p HIGH: 44 FPS AVG, MEDIUM: 53-55 FPS and LOW: 65 FPS AVG. Ubisoft did a nice job of getting this game to look good even at low to medium settings (especially on a 15 inch laptop screen).
@@jonessii I kinda feel that all onboard audio is meaningless unless you have some really cheapo headphones that can't really get any better with an external dac/amp setup.
13:40 those aren't outliers. You can easily explane them with the VRAM, so nothing wired going on. This is just how the performence graph looks like and doesn't deviate from the norm.
The 4GB VRAM really takes an otherwise decent GPU out at the knee caps. Given the benefits of the 3060 for the relatively modest price increase I'd say buying a laptop with a 3050 TI only makes sense if you get a seriously good deal on the machine. I wonder if Nvidia will gimp the desktop version of that card in the same way when it's released? I sure hope not!
4 GB on a lower mid-range GPU like the RX 560 or GTX 1050 Ti made sense 5 years ago, but it makes absolutely none now. I don't understand what Nvidia was thinking.
I agree lowering the VRAM from the 1660 TI to the 3050 Ti was a dickish move my Nvidia. But you have to admit most of those test weren't fair and were not the target use of this GPU. It isn't interesting to benchmark with settings that deliberately exceed 4GB of RAM, point out 9 FPS at the lowest point, and then also point out that you shouldn't run at these quality settings. It is clearly a 1080p card made for medium settings. It would be more interesting finding a more optimized settings and only bench a 2-3 games with 3-4 GPUs (1660 Ti M, 2060M, 3050Ti M, and 3060M). Obviously doing that takes a lot of time but knowing this card gets extremely low performnace on settings it was never meanth to run on really means nothing. You would be better off saying, we aren't going to test it because it's VRAM falls below our standards of testing. And you would be in the right by doing that since 4GB is shit for those settings. It was like you made this video to piss off Nvidia since they know you are now untouchable due to the internet rallying behind you. I hope for better content in the future that is more useful to the viewer.
Now laptop makers will take it a step further and put one 8gig stick of ram in there thousand dollar laptops… imagine buying a laptop that cost more than a grand and not being able to play games like war zone.
So basically what Nvidia's done here, is "can't afford 3060/3060 "TIE," fine we'll graciously allow you leftover silicon that didn't meet higher spec, throw some memory in, RTX support worth of a mighty 2060, and DLSS (literally a handful of supported titles you'd ever play), because we are generous like that. Ah! Just make sure to complain to developers instead for low performance in more demanding titles, so they add that DLSS support for us!
Nvidia would have to take a step outside of the mountains of cash they are raking in to be able to do that. Never let a pandemic stop you from making huge profits , it's the American way !!!!!
Only thing Nvidia would sell for $150 would be a 3010 - basically a GT 710 with new process so it could be a low profile HTPC card with a passive cooler, and sadly it would sell since new 1030s are going for about $120. OEMs like Dell would eat it up in entry "gaming" rigs with more RGB colors than frames.
NVIDIA is crippling VRAM capacity on purpose to space out the product stack, as lower end cards would simply perform too well with those upscaling techs like DLSS or FSR enabled. So in the end DLSS will mostly serve NVIDIA by allowing them to sell less powerful chips for the same price. I wonder if the 4000 series will see a DLSS update that will block DLSS for 2000 series cards. Update time, $uckers!
Yes, this card is limited. However, you mentioned DLSS once. And failed to mention, you can turn most games to low settings, turn DLSS on and you get maximum frame rates and it looks pretty damn good. I have a mediocre HP Victus with a 12th gen I7 and 3050ti and it runs almost everything. Upscaling to 4K is nice. For instance. Battlefield 2042 on auto (low is default for this card) turn on DLSS to performance and it looks very close to the Series X version. I have very good eye sight and it's also going from 60fps console locked, and without raytracing I get on average, 105fps. DLSS is totally missed here but a good review and spec comparison
Agree, the gpu is for sure not designed for high-ultra settings on modern titles, especially textures. And with medium settings with DLSS it can reach decent FPS for sure. I actually bought a laptop with ryzen 4800h/rtx 3050ti for work purpose and i play some lightweight games on it sometime. For heavy games i have my desktop rig!
@Doom Wraith I wasn't defending the 4gb vram. It's clearly too small. The pure performance of the 3050ti is actually okay though. As long as the vram is not fully occupied.
I have a 3060 Ti and I noticed that on newer games (2019-ish onwards), even 8GB feels just a bit too tight to give me a peace of mind. AMD is doing the right thing. That is if they would actually start releasing RDNA2 laptops where I live...
Considering the explosion in VRAM usage since the GTX 900 sieries, Nvidia kept the VRAM of many cards low, except 10 sieries, RTX 2060 Super and 3060, so the more modern cards. Of course most of the cards since the introduction of RTX had enougth VRAM, having to little is more of a problem the further you go into the future. I am currently using a GTX 980 for obvious reasons and the 4GB... , well the 1060 in my laptop could use 8GB, so I am constantly worried about texture quality, because I think that VRAM overflow can leed to bugs and crashes when using the Vulkan API in non Vulkan games (I am using Linux). The GTX 980 might be 7 years old, but its still a good card, this VRAM limitation however makes it less viable wich might leed consumers to buy a new card when its not necessary or prevent budget gamers from buying older used cards, I think thats Nvidias goal, fewer resells means more new cards sold, means more profit.
The new laptop GPU series have been seriously limited on VRAM capabilities where the 3050 and 3060 would rather go even better with an extra of 2GB of VRAM (at least for their high wattage units). And there's the 3080 that weirdly have too much VRAM. Quite a disastrous line of products.
10GB of VRAM isn't too much for a 4k card. It's was on the low side at launch. And RE Village is already proving that. The 3090 is on average 9% faster than the 3080, but in RE Village it is 17% faster at 4K Ultra with RT set to max. That's what "just slightly exceeding VRAM capacity" looks like... A top shelf card should not *barely* hold up on launch day. It should hold up well for 3 generations at least. Godfall at 4k Ultra uses 12GB. Doom Eternal at 4k Ultra Nightmare Quality used 10.5GB before the RT patch. RT can easily consume up to 20% more VRAM... the 3080 is going to age like milk... The 3080 ti will start suffering in 2-3 years max. The desktop line should have been: 6GB 3050/3050ti 8GB 3060/3060ti 12GB 3070/3070ti 16GB 3080/3080ti 32GB 3090 (or rather, they should have stuck with the Titan naming - because that's what it is... minus the professional drivers). AMD may not have the DLSS/RT advantage this generation, but their cards are going to age a fuckton better because they got the VRAM right. Both current-gen consoles have 16GB of shared memory, but hardware to stream textures in very very fast, so you can pretty much count that as effectively 16GB of VRAM. This is what every AAA game in 1-2 years from now is going to target...
The entire Ampere lineup (except the 3060) is plagued by insufficient memory. Even the 3060 is an oddball because it has too much memory for what it's intended. Edit: forgot about the 3090 - it's prolly the only card in their lineup with sufficient memory. One could argue it has too much memory, but I think for what it costs it's okay.
That was actually a factor in my decision to go with the 6800 XT. I plan to keep my gpu for at least 4 to 5 years and I wanted to have more VRAM so it would last a long time. I like the Ampere GPU's but imo they needed more VRAM.
Unfortunately, seems like most budget laptops will use the 3050, and the next jump up is such a huge increase in price that for an entry level productivity laptop, i may be stuck with the 3050.
I'm a little tired of Nvidia's shenanigans. I've never been a tribal fanboy, but I'm beginning to favour AMD Radeon regardless of performance. Wait...does that mean I'm an AMD fanboy??
*Theory or conspiracy?* 🤔 NVidia has *deliberately* gimped this card to hell and back (4GB of VRAM... seriously?) to force you to pick a more expensive option like the RTX 3060. This is similar to how car companies, particularly upmarket ones ( Audi/Mercades/BMW ) sell absolutely crap base-spec cars to force customers to buy more than they would have otherwise needed. _What do you guys think?_
Isn't this rather a common thing with Nvidia? Two steps forwards, 5 steps back. It is like coming out with the 1030 DDR5 for a budget solution and than releasing DDR4 versions that have half the performance afterwards.
I will say that the 3050TI in my roughly 1k laptop (Acer Swift X), felt like a really good deal. I definitely would not shell out ~2k for an XPS 15 with similar spec, so I definitely think you shouldn't go for the 3050 TI for serious gaming. At the same time, I don't think it's as terrible for the price as I've seen it being made out to be.
Would've liked to see some DLSS+RT tests, but otherwise excellent review, which confirmed my thoughts that 4 GB vram wouldn't be enough. Bad decision from Nvidia, margin maximization on cost of the user.
RT isn't worth it in the slightest for this card. The DLSS tho should have been the bigger focus for this video . As that can even lower vram usage. games are fine at 1080p on a xx50 series...anyway, people with this card would be smart to OC the memory speed
@@jg14gerhard_bar it is, because with DLSS in 1080p it is absolutely possible to use it. And if the vram will not allow it, i would've liked to see the tests with fps that confirm or not confirm if RT is possible with DLSS on this card. I would say it is. As far as I know DLSS lowers Vram usage, while RT increases Vram usage. So if the game is fine with 4 GB, which most games are, it would've run with RT+DLSS ON just fine.
Not surprised, they knew the 3050Ti would'nt even be competetive with the 6600M (28 CU Card with 8GB), and far behind the 6700M (36CU Card with 10GB), so they saved VRAM Chips to put on Cards with bigger Profit Margins like the RTX 3070, to rip you off twice because you ain't getting the Discount for less VRAM, just they do. Hold out for a RX 6700M or regret wasting your money
You mean that in a market where the top of the line products have their prices super inflated, the lower end users get crap quality?
Say it ain't so!
Nobody could see this coming!
They can't blame this one on miners. Cutting the spec and increasing the price. I have a feeling this 4GB "variant" isn't long for this world. Expect an upgrade. For more money of course.
But that's the thing: with a 128 bit bus you have two options: 4GB and 8GB. It is that simple. One memory module takes 32 bits of buswidth. So you need 4 modules. GDDR6 is available in 1GB and 2GB modules.... You really believe that Nvidia is going to let their mobile "peasant level" GPUs have as much VRAM as their desktop 3070/Ti? People are already scratching their head why the desktop 3060 has 12GB when the desktop 3080 only has 10GB....
@@andersjjensen the 3070 does have 8gb though. and when compared to a concurrent 2070S max q both at 80-100w. The 3070 shows the % jump from rtx 1st gen to ampere. Especially on desktops if i cap my NON AAA games to my refreshrate. My 3070 strix sees 80-125w max in most NON intensive games especially PVE where g-sync or sub 4ms frame times dont even matter(imo) esp when a controller is being used. The problems with laptops in general is how un-educated the buyers are and how they try to "idealize" a 15" panel or "solution" to be ideal for "gaming" or 300hz for fps and "higher res" for "future proofing"....yet the gpus are max q or lack mux switch(in the case of 300hz options)..........theres a relative level of efficacy that is largely missed by the buyers....that the manufacturers are PUSHING out as a standard. 140w 3070 with a 5800h out benchmarks most non unlocked intel builds and non zen3 amd builds with 2070-2080 desktop gpus as it is.....LAPTOPS are like one of the only viable/puchase options at the moment for 1080p-1440p gaming....sadly...at least they can sell these laptops a year later for minmal losses vs a "budget" build that drops in value with each passing year. But 3070 laptops are priced in the "full build" price point. Im just saying this bc you have to think about all the 3600-3700x b450 builds that nobody wants to buy second hand. ETC that can barely keep up with these 3070 140w laptops as is. these 1000-1500$ builds. That are already dated and being passed in 1440p by laptops. As long as i can find the right components for the right price ideally with a full TB nvme. I can always afford a 2-300$ monitor afterwards vs "BUYING" into a 300hz 15" panel that literally blows for competitive FPS bc its soo damn small. PPL really prove their "lack" of experience gaming on a laptop if theyre going to STAN playing CS:GO or valorant off 15" then say "thats all i have or can afford" off a thousand dollar+ system....thats a suckers game. Just like trying to sell a ryzen 2 system, or "saving to upgrade" THEIR GPU so they can get a 3080 and wind up with 3070 performance figures.
@@andersjjensen Or they can go with a 192 bit bus width like they did for the GTX 1660 Ti's these cards are technically meant to replace. Which would allow 6gb of gddr6, at the very least for the RTX 3050 Ti.
@@andersjjensen do you work for Nvidia? Shill. 4 GB in 2021 is utter garbage for a card that is 2 gens ahead of the 1050 Ti of 2016 which also had 4 GB vram.
@@eazen I didn't say it wasn't a crappy decision. I said given the buswidth the choice is 4GB, 8GB or redesign the silicon. And if you can't detect the seething sarcasm in the later part of the statement you should probably read it again....
That poor little GPU just couldn't handle the wrath of Tim's moustache
Edit: it's not much of an issue since the moustache has been cleared off
Not true I can run bf5 on 3050ti ultra settings, destiny full highest settings
@@anthonymark3126 good for you mate
All I can even say
the edit...
@@theigpugamer apprantly that card can boost its memory to 6 gig
@@clli7943 yup 👍
Nvidia is innovating, just backwards.
Unnovating
@@Thee_Sinner Add it to the dictionary along with unobtanium.
It's running on ultra, what did you expect?
Saw this laptop going for $500 on black friday
Don't think NVIDIA has anything to do with your video memory. That would be your computer. I have 12gb video memory in my laptop and the 3050 does just fine
Next year Jensen Huang introduces a brand new GPU generation product, the GeForce RTX 4050 Demen Ti!
It has 3 GB of memory, with 512 MB more accessible once they remember to enable more in drivers to make them appear as good guys with a free memory upgrade.
*970 flashbacks*
Fastest 3.5 GB gddr7x
Nvidia is the only company that showed vram could be downloadable
1:23 What kind of calculations did Lenovo do to conclude that their 3060 laptop is "1.3X PS5"?
They used the Imperial calculation.
The same one Nvidia did back at CES when they announced the 3060 mobile lol
It may refers to the actual cost of the desktop version 😂😂
The length of the laptop from base to the top of the screen is about 1.3x PS5.
probably by comparing teraflops, which is the stupidiest metric ever
4GB in 2021? Feels like a prank or a scam...
All mid and low range cards now are a prank or a scam. I'm so tired of this market.
@@MatisseXV 1000$ AMD/Nvidia laptop with 3060 is good value. A comparable PC sits at around 1400-1600$ but is a bit faster as well and better upgradable. For desperate users that 1000$ Laptop is a alternative.
@@eazen "Good value" compared to what? RTX 3060 is just a rebranded 2060S when you see its performance. RTX 3060 laptop is even slower.
And has only 6 GB.
I would never spend 1000+ for a gaming experience full of compromise.
It's both 😂😂😂
It's like 4-core CPU in 2021...
What is with them crippling the VRAM on the entire 30 series and putting way too much on other random cards?
Generally the cards with more RAM are using slower, cheaper RAM. Adding more basically increases bandwidth, just not as much as smaller capacity, faster RAM. That and Nvidia is cheap and doesn't like their cards to last long term.
Nvidia is living in another dimension
I think they believe (and maybe rightly so) that many average joe consumer just don't really care about VRAM. A few days ago a guy I know just bought an RTX 3070 TI. He plays at 1440p but still I wouldn't want a card that powerful with 8 gigs in Q3 2021. Even in 2016/17 tons of people were buying 3GB 1060 even though nowadays an 8 GB RX 570 often kicks its ass despite being cheaper.
Do you belive that people were making fun of me because i said that "only 8GBs in a RTX 3070,ti and super is infuriating, no way i'm going nvidia next time"
There's even one guy calling me a miner because of that.
nvidia is crippling their gpus with this VRAM bullshit, within 2 years, your high end GPU is gonna suffer to run 4k stuff, something she should be good at, but wont because of the VRAM limitations
I dont get it either although I'm sure it's got something to do with getting you to upgrade sooner rather than later. The 3080 was marketed as a 4K card and had less vram than last years flagship. Many people were saying ho 10gb is fine for now which is nonsense. Ita borderline and it's because UA-camrs and others make videos saying that it's OK for now instead of calling Nvidia out for it.
that Valhalla performance is hilarious
Too much VRAM required and only 4 GiB available 😞 in lower quality settings VRAM requirements are lower.
It was a joke
@@_Chad_ThunderCock sure! 👍 It's a joke 4 GiB @ 2nd half 2021 too 😁
That comparison made no sense to me, it's a card marketed for 1080p gaming medium-high.I
Now the gram limiting is just to push people to buy the the 3060. Which coincidentally will work fine for 1440p which was likely the target
@@_Chad_ThunderCock im a joke
Nvidia make only stupid cards when it comes to the mid and low range segment (like 3050 Ti laptop and 3060 desktop). A big no for all this pieces of trash.
Good old times when a $329 card was faster than last gen flagship with more vram and actually sold for $329.
True
IMO 3060 desktop is instead a great card
@@carlomorischi3435 Nah, 3060 Ti is decent as well as the 3080. The 3060 is just too weak for its price
@@MatisseXV The 3060ti is the only card in the entire line up that has an amount of VRM that makes some kind of sense compared to it's performance bracket. The 3080 is absolutely, hands down, the card that makes the least sense. It is already thrashing the PCIe bus at 4K Ultra in RE Village, Godfall, Doom Eternal and Cyberpunk with Raytracing set to max because of it's skimpy VRAM.
Ideally the lineup would have been
8GB 3060/ti
12GB 3070/ti
16GB 3080/ti
32GB 3090
The 3060 is $40 too expensive because it has 4GB more VRAM than it needs. The rest are too expensive because they have way too little VRAM to justify the price :P
But Nvidia, in their infinite wisdom, decided to keep the buswidth of last gen once more, so they're stuck with "too little or too much" for nearly all models. The only "done right by accident" they have is the 3060ti because it is based on 3070 silicon. And for that precise reason it is also hard to come by. The vast amount of dies are good enough for 3070s and 3070tis... so Nvidia are going to cut down good dies to make 3060tis exactly when 3070s and 3070tis start sitting on shelves, and not a second sooner.
@@MatisseXV They're all to weak for their price.
"The 3060 is costing at most 20% more than the 3050Ti" Yes, and its 50% more card in every single way, which is a higher jump than from any other tier, but its only around 30% faster on average? The 3060 is the "mainstream" gpu, if there is one, and the 3050 series is "entry", in every single way.
Sure, but "Entry" doesn't mean the people who buy it need to be ripped off. I believe the 3050ti exists only to push people to think, "only 20% more cost" and buy a 3060 instead. Nvidia knows it can afford to ignore the entry level market this generation. They should have had 6 GB on the 3050 and 3050 ti and 8 GB on the 3060.
Traditionally the Ti cards were decent, this one isn't. It's trash. 1050 Ti from 5 years ago has same vram amount.
Yea the 4gb vram on such powerful card is just a marketing scheme
in my country 3060 laptops cost like 400€ more
And I thought the 6GB on my 1060 was starting to feel a bit strained.
me too
I'm already dealing with 5GBs of VRAM usage in Doom Eternal with High Textures (4.5GBs without RT?) on my 3060 Max-Q, can't begin to fathom what it'd be like even trying to enable RT on a 4GB GPU, jesus.
@@GeneralSouthParkFan what laptop do you have?
@@yardeeknowwhoitis8144 3060 G14
8 GB is already not enough in some games if you want to max them out at 1080p. 10 GB is fine for now for everything. The game i was talking about is Red Dead Redemption 2 with even the AA at 8x. It's an extreme case but it shows the limits of 8 GB. I was interested in the RTX 3080 10 GB but not for 1200 euro...
Something like a Legion 5P from last year, with the higher powered RTX 2060 and Ryzen 7 4800H seems a better buy than a newer laptop with a 3050Ti to me. You often see those slightly older Lenovo laptops go on offer in the UK.
Yeah I got a 5p with that config it's pretty good
Definitely. You can grab one pretty cheap when they come up, upgrade the SSD and RAM and you'll get better performance for less.
Yeah 8gb of ram and 256gb of storage sucked
@Doom Wraith exactly - 4Gb of VRAM just isn't gonna cut it in this day and age, unless you want to stick to playing old classics. 1660ti is right up there with 2060, especial with the "non-max P" versions of 2060 (eg. TGP of 80/90 watt).
Even Legion 1060 is better lol
This whole video encapsulates the reaction I initially had when I saw a laptop at one of the retailers in my country with a 3050 Ti with 4GB VRAM and 8GB RAM.
Lol, when I was searching best buy for a Laptop, there was no indication that the 3050 ti only had 4gb of vram. Heck, IDK if it was done on purpose, Best buy didn't even advertise one of the Lenovo Legion laptops to even have a 3050ti. The only reason I realized something was up was when I saw the RTX sticker on it. Glad I didn't pay 1200 for that laptop and just got a 2020 Razer Blade 15 with 1660 ti for the same price.
@@dhgmrz17 ouch, you can get these laptops for $850 or less new or even around $650 refurbished, which actually makes them a respectable deal. Anyone buying one of these as a hardcore gaming machine should step back and realize there is a reason the better models cost quite a bit more these days.
@@besomewheredosomething There is a compromise. Make sure whatever your buying has no soldered storage/ram. I purchased one of these with a ryzen/3050ti. With the laptop I bought a 16gb-3200 kit 2x8. It is mandatory with these..even a high end GPU. 8GB is simply not enough. 4GB of vram..is getting to be too little. Still have some time.
@@noway9880hi im new to the pc stuff. You changed the VRAM in your laptop? If yes, how?
3% faster than 1660ti, hmm so basically equivalent if you ask me
and has less VRAM (1660Ti has 6GB)
I am happy with my GTX 1660 Ti
:)
It's actually slower, because when it hits VRAM limits; performance falls off a cliff. Which doesn't happen to the GTX 1660 Ti. They kept comparing it to the RTX 2060, but even the GTX 1060 outperforms the RTX 3050 Ti when a game uses over 4gb of VRAM and they show that in the video.
There is a case for the 3050/Ti, which is by turning on DLSS. However, not every game has DLSS (notably, Apex Legends).
Fuck you, Nvidia.
Totally within the margin of error. Anything within ~5% either way is functionally equivalent.
Rx480s had 8gb VRAM 5 years ago. Why hasn’t Nvidia released a card with 8GB of VRAM at under $250?
Money, probably
It's all about upselling you the next tier up
Because their greedy !
Because 1GB of GDDR6 currently costs about $10 from the manufacturer. That leaves $170 for the GPU, PCB, VRM components, heat sink + fans, the various little SMD bits and bobs, the HDMI license royalty, shipping, tarifs and taxes.... and the reason to do it in the first place: the profit.
In 2025 when everyone realized they built WAY to much wafer capacity we're all going to have a consumer fest... but it's probably going to be a bit of a dry spell until then :-/
@@minus3dbintheteens60 It's about selling the same die as the 3060 that underperforms without losing money on the fab investment.
4gb vram on that price doesn't seem like its worth buying. Imo this card is low end, not mid range.
Makes sense, it's now going into Acer Swift X. The same Acer Swift laptop that lots of K12 Schools buy in mass to put in classrooms and libraries, and they're selling the 3050 Ti model for just $999.
I buyed computa that have rtx 3050 . Its cost 800. Is that bad decision.
@@poika2kutonen930 not exactly if you only play at 720-1080p resolution
@@mtaufiqnmtn yea i do. Why if thats the case it dont matter. I dont know anything about computas. Im like as smart as my grandad
The 50 series were always low end.
The "shocking" result here is the total lack of progress in perf/W at these power levels.
they are just recycling the chips at this point
i don't think 4gb makes sense for any card anymore. since nvidia will only release rtx cards going forward 6gb needs to become the minimum. i also don't see amd releasing a 4gb card either.
I think AMD already said that 4GB is dead
@Doom Wraith i assume the desktop 3050 ti will have 6gb. i really can't imagine anything else. especially since there isn't any 6gb rtx 3000 card right now anyway. but i fully expect the 3050 to have 4gb.
AMD are releasing their Navi 24 (laptop and desktop), their final RDNA2 GPU, later this year, with a 64-bit bus, 16CU's, 1024 Shaders and 4GB GDDR6. The perf expectations is of a RX 580 / GTX 1660, at board power (75W).
It will probably be named to 6500 XT to price gouge the poor consumers at $250, when it should be named the RX 6300 priced at less than $100 since it's replacing and in the category of the RX 560 (and the RX 5300, which was OEM-only) class (for 2021).
But no, AMD will price the MSRP at $200 or above for this shit, just like the greedy fucks at Nvidia.
Remember, corporations are not your friend.
I think 4GB still makes sense for budget cards aimed at eSports/lighter duties. I still have a 4GB card, and it's working fine for me, but I sure wouldn't buy it new today, unless it was sub $150 MSRP.
@@katech6020 yeah they said that then they release RX5500 to the market with both 4GB and 8GB variant.
4GB vram in a gaming laptop, are we back in 2015 or something?
My gaming laptop from 2008 has 4GB of VRAM. I replaced it with one that had 8GB in 2011....WTF Nvidia 😑
@@darcrequiem stop trolling
@@rayyanamir8560 It's called getting senile. No intention of trolling. I honestly mixed my years up. My 2011 had 4GB of VRAM and my 2014 had a 8GB variant of the GTX 880M. My cousin is still using that one, I gave it to him 3 years later when he started college. Side note: Getting old sucks. 😑
4gb is a deal breaker if you are really gaming on it. Especially for the price. 6gb should have been the absolute min.
Agreed... 6gb atleast! But 4?? Yeah... Lower-midrange is dead :(
The xx50 (ti) was always a solid GPU for general use and light gaming.
Good if you want something other than integrated GPU, but dont expect the GAMING experience.
@@peterpan408 but they are charging the "gaming experience" price. the 1650 ti laptops are correctly priced like $700 or less usually. even with the shortage the 3050ti price is crazy.
@@ThaRealERAQ I suppose someone will buy them at the silly price, realise it chokes on higher settings and cannot RT well, and sell it second hand for a more reasonable price 😉
Y
NVIDIA really is a joke right now.
Unfortunately AMD's gpus are terrible(driver stability is garbage on my rx5700, performance in workstation is significantly worse and luckluster features) so there is no good option.
AMD's GPUs are sh*t like Nvidia's. Bad price/performance, but at least a good amount of vram.
Anyway, again a big no for both.
@@pandanutiypanda you're the only guy with driver problems on AMD in 2021. Maybe consider upgrading your drivers. But always try keeping the cliche alive I guess, despite great drivers from AMD now.
Numerous reviews on this on the internet btw.
@@eazen "Driver stability is garbage" means "I fiddled all the settings and tweaked everything I didn't understand twice. I also downloaded every .reg file that claimed to improve performance off the internet and I documented none of it".
4GB is quite a joke, even if it is enough in terms of size to play some games, it still is crippled by very thin memory bus.
@J S 8gb is fine for non 4k gaming, because too large textures simply have diminishing returns. Quality gain from 4k textures on 1440p is very minimal
4GB is enough to play practically all games as long as you don't mind knocking details down a notch or two, which I believe many people will eagerly do when it saves them $150+.
@@teardowndan5364 na mate people should definitely not think that way lower VRAM is worst case scenario for gaming PC because a big chunk of PC gaming/master race is superior texture. And it sucks if you are playing on PC when a comparable console now for same price can offer so much better performance.
@J S 8GB is perfectly fine on everything below 80 series cards in Nvidia's line for gaming. This may change in the next year when more games come out for the latest consoles that are much faster than the previous generation and will use much higher resolution textures than the 8th gen did.
@@piotrj333 You know the funniest part of the RTX 3050 Ti launch? The fact that it can't even compete with the GTX 1660 Ti it's set to replace. Apparently the desktop RTX 3050 Ti's come with 6gb gddr6. Really looking forward to all the Nvidia fanboys realizing it's a GTX 1660 Ti with piss poor ray tracing performance.
2 years later and it's pretty much barely hanging with a 1660Ti. In 1 year when textures pass 4GB the 3050 Ti will be slower and continue to get slower as it ages. Nice Nvidia planned obsolesce out of the box. I'm happy with my 1660Ti (mobile) but AMD just makes more sense (for this current generation at least).
That's what I have as well in the g14
Indeed. RTX 3000 mobile is a bit of a bust imo. The only one that makes any sense is a 3060m as a 2060 desktop replacement. But even that is pretty niche. Rx 6000 mobile is were the value is, although the lack of DLSS might hurt in the future if studios don’t find FSR as easy to implement as AMD claims
Nvidia: unfortunatelly we do not agree with your comment and we will not be able to continue working with you.
Yep, they didn't even support my last Nvidia GPU for 5 years, claiming it was sold for Win8!
@@robertdunhill2077 So should I get an 4800H+1660ti instead of 5800H+3050ti in g 14. Please tell me this is confusing
TL;DR Same power draw as a 3060 but lower perf.
how did they even do it?!
@@bananya6020 The more you buy the more you save! That’s how!
@@bananya6020 Much less silicon real estate but jacked the frequency up. Normally its "a little less silicon real estate" plus "a mild frequency bump" = lower tier performance at lower price and lower wattage... But you know... greed is a powerful motivator, so this gen you only got lower tier performance.
Lol, my 7r old GTX-850m has 4GB VRAM (even if it's DDR3)
My GT-555m had 3GB lol
same card lol
Noob gamer here. Bought my 1st gaming laptop which was a MSI GF75 3050TI . Didnt know the 3050TI was even worse than the 1660TI lol! Refunded the laptop immediately.
Although I don't have 3050ti laptop I really wish we had this refund policy in my country
@@Alirezarz62 I feel for u. I even used the laptop 2 days, played a few high demanding games and even lost the fabric MSI cover the laptop was in. Only had to factory reset and they still took it haha!
@@Tony-bd8eb I'm happy for you. In my case I got an Asus Strix G15 with 5800h and rtx 3070 its a great laptop untill you find out that how much Asus cheaped out on it! After I got it I immediately realised it has a cheap 144hz monitor with 66% sRGB and sub 250nits brightness! It's just so bad compared to my pc monitor back at home. Also I found out that the 16GB of RAM is actually in single channel so the performance is heavily tanked too... I can't refund it unfortunately
@@Alirezarz62 Ur kidding right? I was planning to get the ROG Strix G15 3060 next! Now I dont know anymore. Probably gonna go for the legion or a nitro
@@Tony-bd8eb Don't get me wrong it's an amazing laptop at this price but you have to watch out for the exact model you are getting! If you can get the 300hz screen that model doesn't have my issues and its far better
4GB of VRAM on a card built for raytracing. what the actual f.
4 gb of Vram is no future proofing at all
3050ti should've been a 3050, with the 3050ti having 6GB of VRAM. I mean DLSS is great and all but, it's too little too late, imagine an FSR title on a 3050ti vs a 1660ti where you need more than 4GB of VRAM, it'll be no contest I'm sure.
Bingo! When FSR hits on Nvidia cards, it will make the RTX 3050ti look stupid next to a 1660ti.
Don't know what kinda operation Nvidia is running here, but they must not be reading the market lol
AMD has a chance to make them (Nvidia) look like idiots here.
Nah man, even the 3050 will need 4gb of vram. Unless it was cheaper than last generation, 4gb is just pathetic.
Dlss 2.2 reduces vram usage. Maybe they hope this will save them
@@scroopynooperz9051 they already did. A lot of users are buying the 6700 XT instead of the 3070 . I also saw comments on people buying 6800 series instead of 3080 because of Vram, but the latter comparison is much less severe. 8 GB vram is the absolute minimum and barely enough now for semi highend gpus for 1440p or 4K. You would want those 12 GB instead. But 10-12 GB is still fine for 3080 series.
@@philistine3260 Nah, it won't.
nvidia simply doesn't care as long as people are buying their gpus at 100%+ above msrp
Exactly. You buy, they sell. Simple as.
Not surprising. Nvidia have been stingy with memory for years.
Their cache architecture has usually allowed this. This time they went too far.
Yeah. They could have at least gone with 6 gb. Just 4 gb is insulting. My 1050 ti has 4 gb and that came out 5 years ago.
I agree I had the 3.75gb gtx 970 lol
@@SuperLotus exactly, my 5 year old gtx 1060 laptop even has 6gb vram and outperforms the rtx 3050ti in some higher demanding vram games like ac valhalla...
Definitely a step backwards from 1660 Ti laptops
with DLSS on it’s far better than 1660 Ti
@@ariq4209 good luck playing newer games with high textures
@@ariq4209 With FSR on they're equal 🤷🏻♂️
@@AchiragChiragg yeah but at the point where 4GB fails, 1660Ti would probably run at only 35 fps. I’d rather reduce the graphics a bit
@@ariq4209 You can use high res textures without increasing your other graphics settings, you know that, right? You don't have to use the graphics presets that the games provide.
Shoutout for the Hardware Unavailable hoodie, came today in the UK and is great
When your sleep schedule is so bad that you see a hardware unboxed video get uploaded
*confused european 1pm noise*
only 9 pm here in Western Australia :).
Expect the RTX 3050 Ti Pb Au Ar Super with 6 GB VRAM next year
This year. This GPU has the life expectancy of a founders edition.
How do you figure they're going to do what when the chip has a 128 bit bus? It takes 4 memory modules by the very nature of things. They're stuck with either 4 or 8GB of VRAM, and it would look astonishingly stupid if their peasant level mobile GPU has as much VRAM as the desktop 3070/ti...
@@andersjjensen given the cluster fuck that is the 3060 (desktop), I'd say Nvidia can surprise us one more time 😂😂😂
Can we think about how the Ti as a sub-tier is practically on a deathbed because of this pathetic release with that branding?
NVIDIA seems to be intentionally holding it back from the 3060 by limiting the VRAM. The laptop versions of the cards should have 6GB and 8GB respectively.
i have this graphics card on my laptop im very satisfied with it it works very well
The human eye can't even see more than 8GB of RAM, anymore than that and.........oh.... Yeesh Nvidia.
So basically, had they given it 6-8GB VRAM, it would've been a killer laptop. But they didn't. Well done, Nvidia! lmao
Imagine if they gave it 6GB and the 3060 8GB. Both SKUs would've been insane.
They don't want to future proof products
@@rayyanamir8560 Well, the 24 GB on the RTX 3090 should be plenty for a lot of years... but it's the RTX 3090 that won't last lot of years at ultra settings at 4K.
An RTX 3090 with 16 GB would have made more sense and be cheaper if possible to make.
as a 3050ti owner. yea 5gb would have been leaps ahead of the 4gb to be honest. however it still runs everything up to the newest Elden Ring at a solid 60fps. so i have no complaints. especially since i just came from a base Ps4 this does everything 10x better. it just doesnt have enough vram 6 would be great for this but 5gb should have been the minimum
they gave the desktop on 8gb
if only it was 8gb too
Nvidia pineapple d!cking consumers again? Yeah, it's called "Wednesday" lol
your style of presentation is so chill, very relaxing to watch
Why not release Duo Core CPU's with 8GB rams again ? Everything goes backwards.
Why not release single core with 2GB ram
Why not just go back to 286 with 4MB of RAM.
Why not release 4-Bit CPUs with 4KB of RAM again
@@yancgc5098 My Texas Instruments is more powerful than that :D
4gb of vram in 2021, 720p gaming i guess.
The first GPU to be half-dead on arrival. Maybe they should rename it to the rtx 3040 and make a x040 tier of graphics cards
Honestly the only card in the entire 30 lineup that has VRAM in accordance with its performance/price bracket is the desktop 3060ti. Everything else is just plain wonky...
Or they should make just more 3060 and sell them for reasonable prices and maybe not make a 20% cut on every sold card and go back to 10% like every other company does on their products
reminding that the 750Ti, launched in 2014, had a 4GB variant. This is just sad.
The RTX 3050 Ti with 6 GB VRAM and the RTX 3060 with 8 GB VRAM makes more sense to have in 2021 for modern AAA games compared to what we were given...
bruh 4gb vram is still playable even now but i dont like they still sell it at high prize on higher end laptop model
Bummer, I had hopes for this one.
Thanks for your videos!
At least it wasn't 3.75 Gb of fast RAM with .25 Gb of turtle RAM.
If I remember correctly that case (GTX 970) was 3.5 Gb and 0.5 Gb so it was even worse.
Wasn't it 3,5Gbyte ... + 0.5 slow on the GTX 970. Due to how the Chip was designed.
Of course later they redesigned chips so that the memory controller wasn't directly hooked up on on the SM's like that.
On my desktop I have an rtx 3070 8gb and it's a little bit more over the general average of 6gb required by most 2018-2021 titles but there are already some games that require more than that.My laptop has a 4gb gtx 970m and it struggles to play games newer that 2019.I can't even imagine someone sane would create a 4gb vram laptop in 2021.This shit is a brick...
I watch alot of benchmarks on guru3d and even on most vram demanding games they never find any difference in performance on 6gb cards vs 8gb on 1080p with few exceptions on 1440p resolution, but things are about to change in 2022 even on 1080p.
@@1GTX1 you won't find any difference in performance.The problem is that some games in order to play them in ultra settings(2k resolut.)require more than 8gb vram.If you try to play them in a 6gb or 8gb card you wont be able to do it.
IIRC the gtx 970m for laptops operates on 192 bit bus making the configuration either 3 or 6 gigabytes.
@@henok_gk I wasn't aware of that,I have the laptop since 2016 so I must have forgotten some specs.Thanks for the info.
"No one cared about the memory until we limited it to 4GB."
"If I exceed that memory limit will you die?"
"It would be extremely painful."
"You're a big die."
"4U."
Tell me about Jensen, why does he wear the leather jacket?
Nvidia giving the 3050ti the same amount of VRAM as the 1050ti in my current laptop is a bit perplexing.
I hope Valve makes enough Steam Deck for everyone that wants one.
Solid info as usual.
Additional performance in Assassin's Creed Valhalla:
1080p HIGH: 44 FPS AVG,
MEDIUM: 53-55 FPS and
LOW: 65 FPS AVG.
Ubisoft did a nice job of getting this game to look good even at low to medium settings (especially on a 15 inch laptop screen).
"We are supposed to be going up, R2, not down!"
Be better getting a laptop with a 1660ti 🙄
Yes. You still get FSR after all :P
Wow it's got a Sound Blaster?! That's kinda cool to see that branding come back, just as an aside.
Sound Blaster never went away but it's also meaningless as an audio brand now.
@@jonessii I kinda feel that all onboard audio is meaningless unless you have some really cheapo headphones that can't really get any better with an external dac/amp setup.
I thought about buying 3050 ti laptops because the price looking appealing but the 4 GB VRAM is a total bummer.
Nvidia: WE HAVE EVOLVED!
Gamers: Yay!
Nvidia: _backwards!_
…..
And again yay. => Everybody is buying.
Gamers: so… you have DEVLOVE?
13:40 those aren't outliers.
You can easily explane them with the VRAM, so nothing wired going on. This is just how the performence graph looks like and doesn't deviate from the norm.
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great video, good info, and grats on 800k guys :D
The 4GB VRAM really takes an otherwise decent GPU out at the knee caps. Given the benefits of the 3060 for the relatively modest price increase I'd say buying a laptop with a 3050 TI only makes sense if you get a seriously good deal on the machine. I wonder if Nvidia will gimp the desktop version of that card in the same way when it's released? I sure hope not!
got mine on sale for 850 but it is normally 1200
@@AbimayoXD Same! I'm more of a casual gamer so I can't really tell the difference.
@@MrWesQ I just have it so I can play games on the go or at my friend’s house/on the bus
4 GB on a lower mid-range GPU like the RX 560 or GTX 1050 Ti made sense 5 years ago, but it makes absolutely none now. I don't understand what Nvidia was thinking.
I agree lowering the VRAM from the 1660 TI to the 3050 Ti was a dickish move my Nvidia. But you have to admit most of those test weren't fair and were not the target use of this GPU. It isn't interesting to benchmark with settings that deliberately exceed 4GB of RAM, point out 9 FPS at the lowest point, and then also point out that you shouldn't run at these quality settings. It is clearly a 1080p card made for medium settings. It would be more interesting finding a more optimized settings and only bench a 2-3 games with 3-4 GPUs (1660 Ti M, 2060M, 3050Ti M, and 3060M). Obviously doing that takes a lot of time but knowing this card gets extremely low performnace on settings it was never meanth to run on really means nothing. You would be better off saying, we aren't going to test it because it's VRAM falls below our standards of testing. And you would be in the right by doing that since 4GB is shit for those settings. It was like you made this video to piss off Nvidia since they know you are now untouchable due to the internet rallying behind you.
I hope for better content in the future that is more useful to the viewer.
Wtf just helped my girlfriend order one of these. Now we are going to return it and buy a 1660Ti laptop.
I guess the $10 for more VRAM was just too much to bare for this company. :(
I'm just happy my ol 1060 is still placing!
Now laptop makers will take it a step further and put one 8gig stick of ram in there thousand dollar laptops… imagine buying a laptop that cost more than a grand and not being able to play games like war zone.
And it's soldered single rank that makes things worse.
Nvidia scam us with this VRam limitation...
You can always count on nvidia to cripple their cards on VRAM, desktop, laptop, you name it.
So basically what Nvidia's done here, is "can't afford 3060/3060 "TIE," fine we'll graciously allow you leftover silicon that didn't meet higher spec, throw some memory in, RTX support worth of a mighty 2060, and DLSS (literally a handful of supported titles you'd ever play), because we are generous like that. Ah! Just make sure to complain to developers instead for low performance in more demanding titles, so they add that DLSS support for us!
The ironic part is that if Nvidia were to release a desktop version of this for $150, it would be an instant smash hit. Man what a time to be alive...
Nvidia would have to take a step outside of the mountains of cash they are raking in to be able to do that. Never let a pandemic stop you from making huge profits , it's the American way !!!!!
Only thing Nvidia would sell for $150 would be a 3010 - basically a GT 710 with new process so it could be a low profile HTPC card with a passive cooler, and sadly it would sell since new 1030s are going for about $120. OEMs like Dell would eat it up in entry "gaming" rigs with more RGB colors than frames.
NVIDIA is crippling VRAM capacity on purpose to space out the product stack, as lower end cards would simply perform too well with those upscaling techs like DLSS or FSR enabled. So in the end DLSS will mostly serve NVIDIA by allowing them to sell less powerful chips for the same price.
I wonder if the 4000 series will see a DLSS update that will block DLSS for 2000 series cards. Update time, $uckers!
Yes, this card is limited. However, you mentioned DLSS once. And failed to mention, you can turn most games to low settings, turn DLSS on and you get maximum frame rates and it looks pretty damn good. I have a mediocre HP Victus with a 12th gen I7 and 3050ti and it runs almost everything. Upscaling to 4K is nice. For instance. Battlefield 2042 on auto (low is default for this card) turn on DLSS to performance and it looks very close to the Series X version. I have very good eye sight and it's also going from 60fps console locked, and without raytracing I get on average, 105fps. DLSS is totally missed here but a good review and spec comparison
Agree, the gpu is for sure not designed for high-ultra settings on modern titles, especially textures. And with medium settings with DLSS it can reach decent FPS for sure. I actually bought a laptop with ryzen 4800h/rtx 3050ti for work purpose and i play some lightweight games on it sometime. For heavy games i have my desktop rig!
Thank you I've been looking for this kind of work around with my rtx 3050 laptop
I got my 3050ti for 829... On sale. Not amazing laptop, but not bad either. Works for what I need it
This is just ridiculous. My rx580 has 8GB OF VRAM! It came out in 2017. What Nvidia is doing is pure insanity no matter which way you spin it.
I don't think the 3050 ti is supposed to replace the 1660ti though?
If it's sold for Budget Prices it's okay for medium settings or E-SPort Titles.
@Doom Wraith I wasn't defending the 4gb vram. It's clearly too small.
The pure performance of the 3050ti is actually okay though.
As long as the vram is not fully occupied.
I have a 3060 Ti and I noticed that on newer games (2019-ish onwards), even 8GB feels just a bit too tight to give me a peace of mind.
AMD is doing the right thing. That is if they would actually start releasing RDNA2 laptops where I live...
The rx5600m is 6gb and the performance is identical in the videos so still better than this 3050 ti for future games.
Considering the explosion in VRAM usage since the GTX 900 sieries, Nvidia kept the VRAM of many cards low, except 10 sieries, RTX 2060 Super and 3060, so the more modern cards. Of course most of the cards since the introduction of RTX had enougth VRAM, having to little is more of a problem the further you go into the future. I am currently using a GTX 980 for obvious reasons and the 4GB... , well the 1060 in my laptop could use 8GB, so I am constantly worried about texture quality, because I think that VRAM overflow can leed to bugs and crashes when using the Vulkan API in non Vulkan games (I am using Linux). The GTX 980 might be 7 years old, but its still a good card, this VRAM limitation however makes it less viable wich might leed consumers to buy a new card when its not necessary or prevent budget gamers from buying older used cards, I think thats Nvidias goal, fewer resells means more new cards sold, means more profit.
The new laptop GPU series have been seriously limited on VRAM capabilities where the 3050 and 3060 would rather go even better with an extra of 2GB of VRAM (at least for their high wattage units).
And there's the 3080 that weirdly have too much VRAM. Quite a disastrous line of products.
10GB of VRAM isn't too much for a 4k card. It's was on the low side at launch. And RE Village is already proving that. The 3090 is on average 9% faster than the 3080, but in RE Village it is 17% faster at 4K Ultra with RT set to max. That's what "just slightly exceeding VRAM capacity" looks like... A top shelf card should not *barely* hold up on launch day. It should hold up well for 3 generations at least. Godfall at 4k Ultra uses 12GB. Doom Eternal at 4k Ultra Nightmare Quality used 10.5GB before the RT patch. RT can easily consume up to 20% more VRAM... the 3080 is going to age like milk... The 3080 ti will start suffering in 2-3 years max.
The desktop line should have been:
6GB 3050/3050ti
8GB 3060/3060ti
12GB 3070/3070ti
16GB 3080/3080ti
32GB 3090 (or rather, they should have stuck with the Titan naming - because that's what it is... minus the professional drivers).
AMD may not have the DLSS/RT advantage this generation, but their cards are going to age a fuckton better because they got the VRAM right. Both current-gen consoles have 16GB of shared memory, but hardware to stream textures in very very fast, so you can pretty much count that as effectively 16GB of VRAM. This is what every AAA game in 1-2 years from now is going to target...
Congratulations on 800k 🍻
The entire Ampere lineup (except the 3060) is plagued by insufficient memory. Even the 3060 is an oddball because it has too much memory for what it's intended.
Edit: forgot about the 3090 - it's prolly the only card in their lineup with sufficient memory. One could argue it has too much memory, but I think for what it costs it's okay.
The 3090 has enough
That was actually a factor in my decision to go with the 6800 XT. I plan to keep my gpu for at least 4 to 5 years and I wanted to have more VRAM so it would last a long time. I like the Ampere GPU's but imo they needed more VRAM.
So true man. Nvidia has been weird with memory capacities since 2000 series
@@AnonyMous-lk7zi ah, my bad. I forgot that existed.
mobile 3060 has just 6gb which is on the edge as well
Unfortunately, seems like most budget laptops will use the 3050, and the next jump up is such a huge increase in price that for an entry level productivity laptop, i may be stuck with the 3050.
I'm a little tired of Nvidia's shenanigans.
I've never been a tribal fanboy, but I'm beginning to favour AMD Radeon regardless of performance.
Wait...does that mean I'm an AMD fanboy??
AMD is starting to do the same disappoint things. Don't buy anything at all.
4GB of VRAM? Are they stupid? I had a 8GB card in a laptop in 2016 and it was a 1300£ laptop...
nvidia and their weird gpu memory
3090 24gb
3080ti 12gb
3080 10gb laptop 16gb or 8gb
3070ti 8gb
3070 8gb
3060ti 8gb
3060 12gb laptop 6gb
*Theory or conspiracy?* 🤔
NVidia has *deliberately* gimped this card to hell and back (4GB of VRAM... seriously?) to force you to pick a more expensive option like the RTX 3060. This is similar to how car companies, particularly upmarket ones ( Audi/Mercades/BMW ) sell absolutely crap base-spec cars to force customers to buy more than they would have otherwise needed.
_What do you guys think?_
A little disappointing especially considering how important the low end is
Isn't this rather a common thing with Nvidia? Two steps forwards, 5 steps back. It is like coming out with the 1030 DDR5 for a budget solution and than releasing DDR4 versions that have half the performance afterwards.
I will say that the 3050TI in my roughly 1k laptop (Acer Swift X), felt like a really good deal. I definitely would not shell out ~2k for an XPS 15 with similar spec, so I definitely think you shouldn't go for the 3050 TI for serious gaming. At the same time, I don't think it's as terrible for the price as I've seen it being made out to be.
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XMG laptops are now become "reference design" for mobile gpus
XMG = Best Case Scenario. // Tom
Would've liked to see some DLSS+RT tests, but otherwise excellent review, which confirmed my thoughts that 4 GB vram wouldn't be enough. Bad decision from Nvidia, margin maximization on cost of the user.
For RT it is not capable of running it
RT isn't worth it in the slightest for this card. The DLSS tho should have been the bigger focus for this video . As that can even lower vram usage. games are fine at 1080p on a xx50 series...anyway, people with this card would be smart to OC the memory speed
@@jg14gerhard_bar Yea he should have done few DLSS tests but 2060 already has DLSS and i doubt that 3050ti is faster
@@katech6020 it is capable of running it, it's a RTX card. Wtf?
@@jg14gerhard_bar it is, because with DLSS in 1080p it is absolutely possible to use it. And if the vram will not allow it, i would've liked to see the tests with fps that confirm or not confirm if RT is possible with DLSS on this card. I would say it is. As far as I know DLSS lowers Vram usage, while RT increases Vram usage. So if the game is fine with 4 GB, which most games are, it would've run with RT+DLSS ON just fine.
Love your moustache man
he eat it
can they just put it in a laptop with a 720p screen, that be nice!
“we have a lot of stuff coming” but we don't have a lot of it coming.
I hope desktop version has 6gb vram.
4 GB VRam for a GPU made in 2021 is an insult.
Plain and simple.
Thanks. I see no reason to upgrade my RTX 2070 Super laptop yet.
Not surprised, they knew the 3050Ti would'nt even be competetive with the 6600M (28 CU Card with 8GB), and far behind the 6700M (36CU Card with 10GB), so they saved VRAM Chips to put on Cards with bigger Profit Margins like the RTX 3070, to rip you off twice because you ain't getting the Discount for less VRAM, just they do.
Hold out for a RX 6700M or regret wasting your money