"Love, Pride, Hate, Fear. Have You No Emotions, Sir?" | The Tenth Planet | Doctor Who
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I love that the Cybermen are actually reasonable in this story. They're only the bad guys, because they very literally do not care.
"Care? No why should I care?"
That sums up exactly what makes the Cybermen terrifying in so few words.
The classic Cybermen, certainly in Tenth Planet and Tomb Of The Cybermen, aren’t evil. They merely don’t comprehend why anyone would want to refuse what seems logical to them.
And it's because of this they can't understand why not to walk straight into a gunshot.
My favorite thing is that the modern ones at core principal aren't even that different, they are just emotionless beings following unable to understand the pain that they are causing... They are much more exaggerated and feel more evil but really they're just more obedient and have less self reasoning
Basically "I missed the part where thats my problem."
'Have you no heart?'
'No, that is one of the weaknesses that we have removed'
Brilliant. She meant empathy, and the Cyberman thought she was talking about its actual heart. I love it. There's also the fact that it actually answers what she meant too. Aaaah the way they are characterized here is so good!
Nope. The Cyberman understood. They have no emotions. He purposely answered it both ways at once.
@@fjccommish not sure that cyberman was that smart, but coincidently answered it in both ways.
@@fjccommish i agree. Cybermen I always felt had a memory of emotions, unlike Daleks who commit suicide when they feel them
@@godessesque "WHAT ELSE HAVE YOU GIVEN ME?!"
@@godessesque Not really true, Daleks have one primary emotion, survival instincts. I find it likely that they were made to continuously release the chemicals that people people in fight or flight responses, to make the ultimate killing machine. Not one that does something on orders, but because it WANTS to kill the enemy. Issue obviously there that a soldier has focused fear and anger, while Daleks often do not, so they end up killing one another. They're SINGULAR killing machines.
Cybermen on the other hand believe emotions to be weaknesses, ironically making them far weaker than humans at sharing ideas and improving as a group. They are only able to think of their own survival, even willing to disregard their own group because of the "survival" of the larger whole. This, also, makes them weaker, as the ability to not only understand, but FEEL what another being is, is how you grow bonds and share with them peacefully. They're SINGULAR survival machines.
The lesson of doctor who, to me, is that one person, no matter who they are, can make a difference, and it matters not what form you are, all that matters is what you do. So, do your best.
(context: caring, compassion)"Have you no heart?"
Cyberman: "No, that is a part that we removed."
Perfect.
I believe he said 'no, that is one of the weaknesses we removed'
Blackza.
when the sky is falling and a super white void fills the blackness I won't feel terror anymore because my soul and heart was removed.
I love the double meaning in that line. No matter which way you interpret the Cyberman’s answer, it is still a true fact about them.
- Do you have no heart?!
- No.
_Fair enough_
thefartydoctor lol!
- Have you no pity?
- *Correct*
How can the Cybermen have hearts, they're robots.
No, they are cybernetic humans. They need hearts to survive.
That means “yes, I do have a heart.”
0:14 - Can we just take a moment to appreciate how Hartnell said his line with a grim smile, then spent the next 7 seconds letting that happy face slowly, slowly, slowly degrade into one of bitter frustration/anger.
:)
:|
>:-(
What bugs me in the new Christmas special trailer is that David Bradley doesn't recreate it. :-(
Well he wasn't given time to do much other than smile during that very brief clip. You'll have to wait and see if it's an actual recreation of that scene or merely a reference to this scene during the special.
Yet another example of how great Hartnell's performance as the Doctor was!
He's very underrated. He was actually very talented and played the part well.
@@hungrydragonvsfrightendhob7799 He was a marvelous, versatile and charismatic actor. He excelled as villains, petty criminals, and authority figures. Even in minimal roles such as the self preserving landlord in "Odd Man Out", he always left his mark. He was adept at comedy, his characters in the dramas "Footsteps in the Fog" and "The Ringer" are hilarious and so much more than the comic relief intended in the scripts. But he always said that Dr Who was his favourite role, and it bought him the stardom and audience affection he had richly deserved for so long.
I love how polite the chief Cyberman is.
horaciosi Iam glad the Mondasian Cybermen were cool and realistic though and even look more like us rather than machines. The Modern Cybermen are scary as af and most of the Cybermen were all victims transformed into machines against their will and I was mad and sad and at the end of age of steel at the end I felt bad for the rest of the Cybermen accept for the Cyber Controller who was the villain. (Detroit Became Human) reference!
Without emotions, you no longer have the capacity to call the other guy a moron for asking stupid questions.
Apathetic as well.
Can we just admire the fact that Hartnell loved this show so much even though he knew this story was his last, and he knew he was getting replaced, he still gave it his all, his 100%?
He did what he could, he was a great actor and Doctor. He was seriously ill during the filming of this story but you wouldn't know it,
Being professional.
@@drewsarkisian9375 No, he put his all into it. A lesser actor would have quit due to his illness.
@@zxbzxbzxb1He was not a great doctor, he was THE DOCTOR
@@thunderspark1536 William Hartnell was willing to keep going until it killed him. I don't think that's an exaggeration because he was dying when he showed up in The Three Doctors. People had to force Hartnell to leave, probably for his own sake more than anybody else's. They had absolutely no idea if regeneration would work and, despite Patrick Troughton's already impressive career, no guarantee that he would be able to capture the hearts of the audience like Hartnell did.
I love the way they talk.
"You must come aaaaaaand live with us."
I absolutely love this Cyberman design, the way that you can still see the human hands is just perfect, the shape was so erilely human and they even walk and move (for the most part) like normal people.
Limitations really can make some things seem way scarier
Yh, it shows you don’t just need big cgi to increase the fear factor.
It is still scary even now! (see Capaldi's finale!) the Cyber-Mondasian design has aged extremely well!
I think it's important to realize Cybermen aren't robots, they're us. They're not evil, I don't think they even grasp the concept. The only thing they want to do is make you like them, grind you up and put you in a metal suit. The new series seems to think of them as Daleks with legs.
Hey kinda like the theory of five nights at Freddy's
The new series makes them seem like wind up toys.
+Dick Ripper Neil Gaiman's Cybermen episode called that fact right back to reality.
I disagree - it's quite clear in Rise of the Cybermen/The Age of Steel that the Cybermen are logical survivors and they are programmed to complete upgrade of the human race without malice or emotion.
Indeed, it's in later Classic Cyberman stories that they get belligerent and snide - such as in Revenge of the Cybermen (even that title is wrong - but it is still a brilliant story), Earthshock, Attack of the Cybermen and Silver Nemesis.
They ARE evil!
There's something about Hartnell which makes him so compelling, even when everything else is dated and primitive. I think it's his switches from cold stares and anger to smiling and self amused and back again. It's just a genius performance.
I think he sells the fact that the Doctor is essentially non-human and therefore inherently mysterious and a bit alien to us in a way that is slightly unsettling at times.
Ecclestone captured this and Tennant did with Waters of Mars type episodes m
@@robertJ14 Most of the Doctor's who focussed on the alien side managed this. The exception was Peter Capaldi. He was clearly TRYING to be alien while the others just naturally were. He should have taken a leaf out of Peter Davison and Paul McGann's book and just tried to emphasise the Doctor's human side instead.
@@tomnorton4277 Unfortuantely I think that was Moffet more then Capaldi. Capaldi is someone who just reads as "The Doctor" to me instantly but Moffet is incapable of not being as obnoxious and unsubtle as possible.
@@gaynarchist Peter Capaldi reads as the Valeyard to me. And I actually would have loved that if not for one problem. The Valeyard was never even hinted at until Twice Upon A Time. Every time he showed up, there was nothing in the scripts to imply that it was intentional. Peter Capaldi was Michael Jayston's spiritual successor and that would have been awesome IF he was doing it on purpose. And I don't think he was.
Peter Capaldi turned the "you let me down!" speech into the most hypocritical and self-righteous moment I've ever seen from the Doctor. On paper, that speech absolutely should have worked, especially with the context of the volcano scene that preceded it, which was one of the greatest scenes in the era by the way. However, Capaldi made it sound like he'd spent the entire season waiting for an excuse to rub his sense of superiority in Clara's face. That's Valeyard behaviour and it made "Do you think I care for you so little that betraying me would make a difference" come across as insincere gaslighting, especially since that line was soon followed by Capaldi literally snarling "cut out the whining" in Clara's face even though she hadn't said anything whiny throughout the entire scene. She was too drained, exhausted and remorseful after their confrontation at the volcano to argue or protest so Capaldi literally only accused her of whining to make her feel worse. In the hands of a better actor like John Hurt, the Doctor would have muttered "cut out the whining" to himself to get his head back in the game after his tantrum.
That was Peter Capaldi's fault not Steven Moffat's. The script was very clearly telling Capaldi that this was supposed to be a sincere moment from the Doctor but he still came across like Michael Jayston gaslighting everybody around him. And again, the Valeyard on a redemption arc would have been awesome if it was intentional but there was nothing in the scripts to hint that Capaldi was supposed to come across like that.
The Tenth Planet is one of Hartnell's best stories
Too bad he hardly showed his face at all during it; arteriosclerosis certainly wasn't kind on him.
Cryer24597 Could you name a few? Because I haven't seen many I have liked. In fact, other than this story and the Aztecs (both of which are still only average at best) I don't think I've liked any other story in his era. The Dalek Invasion of Earth is the most overrated. It's awful, but everyone praises it.
Cryer24597 It's not so much the regeneration as the concept of the Cybermen and their design that really sells the episode for me.
The Daleks was a necessary evil. I didn't like it. It was needlessly drawn out. But it was necessary because many following serials reference it (or in some cases straight up reboot it)
Tell me, what about the Dalek Invasion of Earth was good? Because I honestly can't think of anything, except that maybe Barbara wasn't entirely useless. The Doctor's goodbye to Susan was laughable. She hadn't matured one bit! The excuse of leaving because of marriage was as quick and ill-conceived as Jo's exit in The Green Death but even more so because her character hadn't changed at all over the course of her travels. She was a whiny damsel in distress then, and she's a whiny damsel in distress now. Honestly, Ian's the only one ever doing anything, except sometimes maybe the Doctor will be interested in something from a scientific perspective or to devise some scheme.
Cryer24597 Oi, Spoilers! I am currently watching The Deadly Assassin, Episode 2. That's how far I've gone in the Classic show. (And man am I SOO excited)
I liked The Daleks' Master Plan and An Unearthly Child better, however, I do feel it's his third best. Although, I do like stories like The Daleks, Marco Polo, The Aztecs, The Dalek Invasion of Earth, and The Time Meddler, I feel they're overrated and not as good as The Tenth Planet. Pacing has a lot to do with it. I feel everyone of those stories were too slow at times and could've been shorter. The 4 episodes fits The Tenth Planet perfectly. I also felt The Dalek Invasion of Earth was too ambitious for the time. The low budget really really shows in Dalek Invasion of Earth. Plus I hated the Dalek voices in that one, even more than Day of the Daleks. But loved all those stories, I just prefer The Tenth Planet.
You can see here, and with the Daleks and the first Doctor, that this is where he finally decided to be more than a simple wanderer in the fourth dimension. This is where he decided to become the protector. It was a slow process throughout the first doctor's era but it did come and it came back. oh yes. it came back.
thank you, Mr. Hartnell for all that you did with Doctor Who. I hope it's lived up to your expectations!
He would probably be disgusted at what it's become now. Turning in his grave no doubt
@@foxydev4056 Everyone is entitled to their own opinion... unless their opinion is that Doctor Who is dead? Seems like there's an obvious contradiction in your statement. 😕
1 had a whole character arc from unearthly child to tenth planet of him being a passive traveler to being the hero we know now
@@JAKECOT_CENTERfrom a man on the run to a hero seeking adventure.
Of all the Cybermen in DW history, the original Mondasian Cybermen are still the creepiest to me by far.
Well, even when they appeared in 2017, they were still creepy & scary. That design still worked in modern day. They should’ve kept using it in modern Who.
I agree they still have human hands and the seeing the eyes makes it so unsettling.
The 1st Doctor from An Unearthly Child would never have given emotional lines like the ones he gives here.
Love the unintentional character arc
Hartnell didn't like how the character was originally written and wanted the character to be more likeable as children liked the show, so over time, he became warmer, and eventually more of a hero.
The character arc was intentional. The 1st Doctor was actually set up as having empathy when he said this to Susan in An Unearthly Child;
"Put yourself in their place. They're bound to make some sort of complaint to the authorities. Or at the very least talk to their friends."
The Doctor specifically asked Susan to look at the situation from Ian and Barbara's point of view. Sure, he applied his empathy selfishly at first, only thinking about others in relation to how they affected him and Susan, but his ability to understand the thoughts and emotions of others was set up from the start. He was always going to soften up over time.
Unintentional? What?
@@TakeNoteOfThat Well when the show started, Ian was supposed to be the main character, and it's not like The Doctor ever has a defining moment where he goes from rude to kind. It just happens gradually- In Adventure in Space and Time it's reflected that William Hartnell himself was going through a similar arc himself as he played the character
This particular scene is basically the reason why this is one of my favourite Doctor Who stories of all time. If you remember, this is the same Doctor who genuinely intended to abandon Skaro in The Daleks, even knowing what the Daleks were going to do to the Thals and here he is actually believing in something and making a stand against an enemy. It shows how he’s grown since his first handful of stories.
I think you’re mixed up. The 1sr doctor encountered the Daleks in “The Daleks master plan” and it had nothing to do with Skaro or the Thals
@@c0nvict_pleb174 he encountered The Daleks several times. For the first time in “The Daleks”, the second story of the show. Then in “The Dalek Invasion of Earth”, “The Chase” and in “The Dalek’s Master Plan.”
@@samuelbarber6177 I’m talking about you thinking that the last story he didn’t care about what happens with the Thals a few episodes before “the tenths planet” unless I misread you comment
@@c0nvict_pleb174 I think you misread the comment, they are talking about the First Doctor's character growth/change from his second story to his final one.
@@samuelbarber6177 just misread it… and yep… I did misread it 🙃
I will never get over that voice. Never.
I kinda wish that with the current Cybermen, they could return to that sing songy voice that the Mondas Cybermen had, but add a more electronic sound to it. Now that'll be perfect.
These voices are great, but they were improved for the Cyberman origin story 'Spare Parts'. The voice is pretty much the same, but much better quality thanks to improved equipment. Oh, and don't let the trailer for 'Spare Parts' fool you, the only Cybermen who speak in that are the augmented Policemen who aren't quite Cybermen yet and Cybercommander Zheng.
Eighth Doctor audio story Human Resources have the same Cybermen voice from the RTD era speaking in the same sing song syllables as this.
Jarek Gunther so pretty much 'The Invasion' voices?
I would love something like this sing song, accent on the wrong syllable Cyberman voices to return. The current ones are just another ring modulator. Very boring and it just reinforces the "Daleks with legs" image even futher.
congratulations your wish has been granted lol.
Like the way the Doctor shouts "Why? WHY?!" at 0:45.
Especially this Doctor. He's smug condescending, sneaky and self-serving. But here, all that disappears. At the very thought of the murder of billions he becomes a shaking bolt of pure fury. Suddenly you see past all of the front he's put up all this time.
It's things like these that unite different Doctors. You knew in the Waters of Mars that Tennant, "Timelord Victorious" was still the same person as Hartnell, you can see those same feelings.
Im not just saying this because of the Season 10 Finale, but Mondasian Cybermen were always my favourite, because I loved their voices and designs. You can definetly tell that this is the first model, and its sort of 'primitive' compared to the other models - one of the reasons why I like it.
I love how reasonable the Cybermen sound, they’re not even threatening them and they even admit that they have no control over Mondas draining earths energy
The Doctor showed guts speaking his mind at the emotionless Cybermen,knowing that they'd attack him for that.
Well, if they really are emotionless they wouldn't act angrily either. Looks like The Doctor was trying to taunt them into revealing some emotion, and ended up shocked that they weren't bluffing.
0:00 Derp Cyberman in the background
Was that Derp? From the novel, I remember the others were named Jarl, Gern and something or other else.
While I'm not the biggest fan of the voices they have, I like this silly looking design. Why? The Cybermen were inspired by things like heart transplants. So those masks on their faces are surgical bandages, that explains how in certain shots you can actually see the human eyes behind the mask and the thing on their chests are mobile life support systems. So it looks silly but its probably the most realistic interpretation on the "Cybermen" look.
+Morbius Fitzgerald It's more grim if anything, knowing that a simple piece of cloth is covering a rotting reanimated corpse.
+Shockwave Entertainment Physically its my favourite design of the Cybermen, if only they gave them the voices from The Moonbase or Tomb Of The Cybermen.
The creepiest part for me when I first saw Tenth Planet was them having those dead human hands sticking out, and I later found out that was because they'd ran out of money for gloves!
+Crusty Pete's Day Old Meat Platter Funny how a lack of money can help create a legendarly creepy look sometimes
For anyone who's played Arkham Knight, for me this version of the Cybermen strikes a similar resemblance to the dollotrons in my opinion by having the same intimidating and creepy character
Cybermen....the ORIGINAL Borg
66.
I think I remember reading that it was the cyberman that directly inspired the writers of Star Trek to create the borg in fact.
Kit Pedler and Gerry Davis - geniuses!
I prefer the Cybermen.
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Well of course they were, they both do the same thing: Conquer, Upgrade, and Assimilate,
Pay attention to these classic clips, folks. I have a feeling that the lack of presence of Hartnell in The Tenth Planet opens the door for Doctors 1 & 12 to tie up some Tenth Planet loose ends in the XMas special and both come to terms with their own regenerations (yes, I'm calling a DOUBLE regeneration - 1st & 12). Blending The Tenth Planet in the modern age would be quite special, regardless of your opinion of the old episode, and would certainly wrap up the Mondasian plot being explored before Capaldi regenerates.
I'm really hoping to see the First Doctor's regeneraton recreated in the Christmas special. They could easily get Troughton's son to play the Second Doctor, even if it's just for a few seconds.
@@ashbridgeindustries380 i mean it was really good but we didnt get to see the second doctor sadly
Welp - ya called it
my god man are you psychic?
I wish you fucking people would just take your CGI-laden shitshow and leave the real, classic Doctor Who alone.
When the DVD came out, my daughter was about five or six. She had watched "Doctor Who" with me and had seen the Cybermen in various forms and was never scared. However, as soon as the Cyberman opened his mouth and talked like that, she ran from the room screaming!
The doctor here shows a lot of emotions, in the tone of his voice and facial expressions
0:58 I think we've found out what the Cyberman's favourite Classic Series Doctor Who story is.
Funny how the Survival writer and original Cybermen are back this series.
Naturally, it was the last of classic Who if memory serves
William Hartnell. What an actor.
These voises... I wish, modern cybermen could have something like that...
No kidding.
The new Cybermen won't be any good til they get rid of that stupid delete thing they're going with.
Cybermen are LOGICAL TO A FAULT, not COMPUTERS.
DarthRushy i think delete "delete" suits them pretty well, but it's boring to a viewer. They say this a bit too much...
***** Well, you can't say for BBC.
+DarthRushy don't worry, it looks like Moffat has gotten rid of the 'delete' thing.
*****
Why not?
Hartenall was an exceptional Doctor. This story was the best send off for him.
*Hartnell
"I'm not going to lie, the cyberman sound High.
lol
Lfmao
If or when I get high I want my voice to sound like this.
Who came here after watching the 12th Doctor finale's trailer, "Twice Upon A Time"?
I love how they used this as the intro to Twice upon a time. 2017 Christmas special.❤️
my favourite part of the Cyberman look is the sticky tape holding the headgear together at 0:30
0:42 That's the same pose River Song did when she did her "Hello Benjamin." Thing during her regeneration from Mels to River.
I wouldn't be surprised it the line was sequenced "Love, Hate, Pride, Fear" but Hartnell flipped the words.
These Cybermen are my favorite because throughout this story, the way they talk about the process of becoming Cybermen, it sounds like they were completely on board with it.
It's never once said in the story that their free thinking has been taken away from them, or that their desire of preservation & survival are not of their own.
My problem with modern Cybermen is that most of them did not chose to be Cybermen.
They are victims, not supporters, & their claim that they think that they are in a superior state of life is not theirs. It's the hive mind controlled by the programming of the insane scientist who made them.
In this version of the Cybermen, they legitimately see emotions as a weakness, so they remove them, but with modern Cybermen, there emotion is *TAKEN FROM THEM* because it would drive them insane if they realized what they became (against their wills, no less).
Therefore, whilst they're still scary as ever, you can't enjoy them as antagonists because all you can think is that they didn't ask for this, & now they pay the eternal consequences for something they didn't chose.
This is how I personally think the Cybermen should be viewed: You feel sorry that they have gotten to the point where they *LEGITIMATELY* (not through a hive-mind's control) see what they have done as favor to themselves & those who want to join them, but you don't have to feel sorry for their choice of going through with it, so therefore, whilst they don't have emotion for it, they are still antagonists rather than tragedies because what they want to do goes against the protagonists' beliefs of human nature.
Curtis Husted Damn you said it better than me and I feel awful for the Modern Cybermen and sometime Iam too afraid to even look at them so yep (Fear) and most of them were murdered from their will and reanimated into machines with their preserved minds. This sucks and I remember during age of steel seeing the autopsy of a Cybermen that was a human female once and then I started to cry as she dies. Soo sad and angry and towards the end of the age of steel I was glad the villain blow up. During the same moment at looked at the the rest of the Cybermen and felt helpless. Yep I totally agree with you.
I think once converted/upgraded and your emotions are removed you will not understand why anyone would not want to be a cyberman, as it's objectively better. That why cyberman will go mad and/or explode when you return all their emotions.
@@Enzo012 That's the logic for modern Cybermen. I'm referring to the classic Cybermen, & I'm not including the Big Finish "Spare Parts" audio in my argument.
@@elwoodjacobs4353 Mondasian's gradually evolved to become cybermen over time by replacing parts of their body with artificial parts to extend their lives in a hostile conditions according to the official lore behind them. It's hard to say if they were fully onboard with eventually completely losing their humanity, they probably didn't intend to do that when they first started out.
@@Enzo012 The Mondasian's had their emotions removed, but it's never made clear if their free thinking was removed too (unless you count Spare Parts which I don't.)
With modern Cybermen, you know right away that they can't think for themselves anymore because of the hive mind programming, but the way that the Mondasian Cybermen talk in this first appearance of theirs, they sound like they're in control of themselves.
0:58
Can we take a moment to appreciate that, for man who for all intents and purposes was at the final stages of his career and life, Hartnell made the simple Act of Standing Tall,Proud and Defiant in the face of certain Oblivion look surprisingly easy?
Cybermen's lamp is sticked to the other parts and head with tape lol
Like we can't see that...
I'm so glad that the BBC have put this up. This really helps to prove to people that the 1st Doctor in the B&W portion of the Twice upon a Time trailer is actually David Bradley and not William Hartnell.
I don't mind that, it's just that it's nice to have things straight, you know.
How very wrong you were.
@@kaledmasterme well
yes
shit happens
nothing wrong with that
Hartnell did a great job in his final story as The Doctor and the Mondasian Cybermen are still marvelously creepy.
Honestly I’d kinda like a story where cybermen are the good guys. Like maybe they come to a city or something after a war tore thru and augment the survivors just enough that they survive and can keep living, then they move on. Like cybermen that understand boundaries kinda I guess
I read recently about a non-television story (I forget if it was a book, comic or audio) where they cybermen turn up to a civilisation dying of plague and offer them upgrades so that the disease will no longer be a problem. The Doctor tries to persuade the leaders of the civilisation that cyberisation is just another form of death, but they point out that the Cybermen are offering a solution and the Doctor is not.
Until one of the chiefs goes aboard one of the cybervessels after his daughter is processed and he cannot tell her apart from any other cyberman
One of the First Doctor's greatest quotes. Just as they said in Adventure In Space and Time, Hartnell played it with that magical 'twinkle'.
The Cybermen voices in this clip are performed by the late Roy Skelton.
Oh Zippy, what have you done this time?
I HAAAVE REMOOOVED THE WEEEAKNESSS OF EEEMOTIONS, GEORGE. He he he silly George.
He also voiced the Daleks.
Classictv90s it was the 60s that was probably half the budget
love how Polly stands up to the cybermen she doesn't fear them at all. good ol pol
Huh, the Cybermen now that I think about it are the perfect villains for the First Doctor's final story. Not only are they the opposite of primitive cavemen, but they show how the Doctor has grown from a detatched hermit to a man who will do his best to protect people. Just look at how he reacted when the Cyberman questioned why should anyone be bothered by someone dying
"Why? Why!"
William Hartnell was seriously ill by this point but the power in his voice was still very much present. That booming delivery set a precedent for the Doctor's later reputation as The Oncoming Storm. Perhaps knowing that this was his last story made him as angry as he was heartbroken so he used the anger to power his performance.
I’ll be honest this story makes me cry hartnell was the first classic doctor I watched back in 2010 and I didn’t want him to go
Best design of The Cybermen by far.
0:40 - "Sup?"
Aidan Farren-Hart I really don't understand that shot. What is it doing? 😂
After watching Twice Upon a Time I feel obliged to apologise to William Hartnell.
No kidding. I used to dislike him a lot, but now I'm taking the time to really look at his work, and he really was very good. Sorry, Bill, for not giving you a chance.
For real. Wasted David Bradley's pretty good first Doctor performance on pushing that leftist woke agenda.
@@gabbeskillz6262 TBH I have no issue with any of the "morals" new Who wants to include (it's not like classic didn't have similar themes) but the writing of Hartnell's Doctor in Twice Upon a Time was just terrible. Bradley clearly was excited for the role, and I wish I could apologize to both of them for the weirdly sexist and homophobic and generally lifeless character Moffat wrote him as. Didn't suit the First Doctor at all, and as a fan of the older series who went to see that special in theaters, I was sorely let down :X
@@elliot20201 I remember reading somewhere that Hartnell was in the camp which saw the Doctor and the Time-lords as non-sexual beings (though probably more in the context that he wanted the show to be sutible for children and less to do with looms and whatnot) and the first doctor's personality would suggest that he would take little interest in sexual and gender politics because they have no relevancy to him and therefore would seem a bore. Now that is established that the Doctor can change gender I would like to see them regenerate into the opposite gender in front of companions and then explain that gender to the time lords is ultimately an ascetic thing, a remnant of there evolutionary past.
@@gabbeskillz6262 Cry more.
Polly is delightful in this. I love it when the companions are caring.
Yeah I like her to underatted and Ben
"Feelings Love, Pride, Hate, Fear has you no emotions sir"
Correction, he says "Emotions" not Feelings
Oh... Hi
Come to Mondas and you will have no need of emotions. You will become like us
After watching twice upon a time, this episode takes all the more significance
The cybermen at their best. Right here.
Tomb of the Cybermen, The Moonbase and Earthshock are just... Brilliant!
***** 4th episode is missing.
***** Moffat's Cybermen aren't the best, but there still preferable to the robots that shouted "Delete, Delete" that RTD had the gall to claim were Cybermen.
Robert Lythgoe The 10th planet cybermen=the best cybermen of all!
AlchemistOfNirnroot I'm watching Earthshock right now and as far as the Cybermen go it is just horrible in portrayal. They are badly humanized and archetypal villainy. I think one of them even puts it's hands together while uttering "excellent" in typical supervillain fashion. I swear if Leader had a mustache to twirl, it would. :/
David Bradley does a very good Hartnell but he doesn’t have the same bark in his voice as him, like listen to him at 0:46 he almost barks the line out because he’s so angry whereas Bradley’s version is rather mellow
I think William Hartnell is a great Doctor, he comes close of being my favorite doctor, he is just a hair behind Tom Baker and Peter Capaldi with them being both my favorite incarnations of the doctor, William Hartnell Comes a close 2nd I say, would of been superb to meet him in person tho
They're my Top 3 too. Though, for me, Hartnell just edges it into first place. :)
Lol It's hillarious how the Cybermen fall over!
you can see the tape on the back of the cyberman helmet
Love, pride, hate, fear, have you no emotions sir
"you-will be-come like us"
can't wait for these cybermen to come back🤖🤖🤖🤖🤖
Am i the only one who loves the original cybermen’s voice?
well Capaldi's story isn't going to be very good.
"how do we defeat them"?
"shine a light in their eyes".
It's a laser weapon, before Star Wars special effects made everyone think lasers had to leave visible tracers.
By far the creepiest version of the Cybermen, and the voices...it's remarkable to me how much they resemble some of the uncanny valley pronunciation and wrong syllable emphasis in text-to-speech apps that wouldn't become available until decades later
Emotions. Love. Pride. Hate. Fear. Have you no emotions, sir?
In my opinion, these cybermen seem much more eerie than the modern versions!! The new ones just seem dead and metal, but these old ones are more alive and more scary!
I always imagined pre-cyber conversion Mondas as looking like the post-attack sequences in _Threads_ , with people dropping like flies due to starvation, cold and radiation sickness, or just plain broken heart syndrome. These are the circumstances in which I can easily imagine people giving up their humanity and becoming what we see here in order to survive.
By now, the modern cyber men would have already said:
*DELETE*
geekyedits My saying to the Modern Cybermen: Without Logic, Reasoning, Understanding there is no life-Queen of Instruments.
60's Cybermen are creepiest cybermen.
First Doctor: 'Love, Pride, Hate, Fear! Have you no emotions, Sir?'
Twelfth Doctor: 'Love is not an emotion! Love, is a promise!'
Am I the only one, who caught that character arc? :)
you must come aaaaaaaand live with us LOL
This Cyberman is SO creepy. At the end of its first sentence, you can see its mouth close, even though it didn't move while it was talking.
0:41.
Cyberman Chief: What are you doing?
Cyberman: I am stretching my leg, muscles will give out if I do not use them.
Without William Hertnell’s wonderful care as the original Doctor, we would’ve not see Doctor Who again!
This is quite deep... I don't think many recognize that...
"What is this......money you speak of?"
"It's everything on my planet"
"You are truly backward and unevolved"
Man, even in the very first Cyber-Men serial they get shot by their own guns!
It wasn't until the Tom Baker Cyber-Men serial, which depicted the last group of Cyber-Men ever, that we see them finally learn their lesson and build their guns into their bodies.
Didn't they learn their lesson before 'Revenge', when they had inbuilt electrical weapons in their hands in 'The Moonbase'?
This is great. The cybermen are much more creepy when you can see them like this, partly human with mechanical modifications. Glad they brought this back.
0:26 tape holding the handles of the top piece of the cyberman
First Doctor can really make “sir” sound like “little child”
The best Cybermen ever.
I was doing a paper about character archetypes for my English class and I listed Cybermen as: Monsters of Nightmare, and my teacher gave me an A on the assignment.
I like how the cybermen sound like they're making a sentence on the go.
Just watched episode 5 with Whitacker as the Doctor and to honest I would rather watch this Doctor in black and white from nearly 60 years ago.
I love when the Cybermen sounds like this it's so creepy and unsettling
Good acting by William Hartnell at 0:45.
I used to work in a wood machining mill with Cybermen. Googles, Face masks and massive ear defenders and grey boiler suits.
Pain. Pain.
Have you no emotions my friend a great Hartnell line in his last story
Sir
I would love to see more human traits in the Cybermen. I know they are supposed to get more inhuman as they evolve but I do feel that they are less frightening when they are completely robotic in some ways. Given the prospect of becoming completely robotic as with the Cybus storyline can be terrifying as well, but it is the fear of becoming them that is horrifying. It is not quite the fear of them personally. Imagine becoming a human like being like these but having all emotions removed.
The Cyber-Nomads (See Earthshock) were a lot more human.
When I saw this for the first time I thought the cybermen had said "you will be calm like us.", which is really out of character but I kinda love it.
I love these voices. Don't know why, I just do. :)
Polly: ''You have no feelings''
The Doctor: ''love, pride, fear, hate, have you no emotions then?''.
The same question you could ask the conservative government in the house of commons, I can just see the Doctor asking Cameron this.
Nice projection. It's actually the liberal governments that have no care for people and who act like Cybermen.
Really frank? People who think what they do with there lives is their own buisness are the same as a race who literally wants everyone to be the exact same as everyone else? The word liberal comes from the word liberty which means freedom, meanwhile if you want heartless Limbaugh the hutt claimed that Robin Williams committed suicide because he couldn't cope with having liberal world views.
Exactly
Thought Cameron’s glover was bad and now things are far worse.
Now you're being unfair to the Cybermen - conservatives have pride, fear, and hate aplenty.
Such a faithful recreation of this scene in the upcoming Christmas Special! I cannot wait!
I wish there'd be an episode where the Doctor fights the past Cybermen instead of a new Generation every time
The best Cybermen of all
you can clearly see the sticky tape on the cybermans head.
lol luv the cyberman's voice! xx
0:16 worst tourist board slogan ever