@@THEDPJOURNEY Yea, I'm just more surprised that these cameras passed QC in the factory. Looking at how other cameras in that form-factor handle monitor calibration, the tools BMD have released are standard so I wouldn't really expect much more from them for just a camera viewfinder. Still, you should really only use the viewfinder for framing and use a metered white-balance on a greycard rather than trusting any dialed in kelvin value. There are a surprising amount of (even professional) cameras, bi-colour and WWRGB lights that have wildly varying ideas of what kelvin values are. The only reliable tool is shooting raw with a chart/card trusting the scopes in post.
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It's sad that they've given a "pro" HDR display compared to the previous 6k, but with such horrible calibration tools. They should atleast given us the numerical values of the Temp-Tint so that we get a somewhat accurate WB of the screen, reliable to judge WB of the scene. Hope BM listen and add this feature.
Well, I used my i1pro to measure patches and adjust these sliders on P4K. This requires me to make it cooler and more magenta. The result is dE=1.3 for white patch, and dE=0.9 for gray. Now menus looks way magenta, but I hope the image now is neutral.
Worked like a charm, but: one 6K pro display shows an overexposed image (by at least roughly two stops), the other image is perfect. What’s happening here? How can I fix that? 🥺
There is a lens difference yes, but It’s not that dramatic no. Again this is not a $40K reference monitor we’re calibrating. We just want to get it close enough to what you should see on your timeline, so we’re good with a large margin of error
I hope BMD simply add calibrator support into their camera and monitor. Atomos already does. Simple Temp/Tint adjustment only works when a screen has wrong white point setting. Wouldn't help if the screen has bad gamma response, partially distorted color response. Only prompt calibration can solve this.
Not sure, but you could use the video assist monitor also as visual reference to do the calibration, or any other calibrated external monitor. It could have been more helpful if they added the option to use the calibration tool in a live view setup. May be the new RGB histogram can also be used to achieve a neutral white balance. Numerical values for the balancing would indeed have been of great help.
You could, but how good is the calibration of their video assist would be? Also This means you will have to buy the video assist. I feel many of the people who are buying this camera might not have any calibrated monitor options on the side. So the solution is good if you only have this camera
@@THEDPJOURNEY True. It sad to see how camera manufacturers tend to ignore the importance of having a calibrated monitor or viewfinder. But somewhere somehow an owner will have to look for a calibrated monitor so as to compare. I've never trusted any camera I've had in the past and always tried so. One question: When you change the profile from film to rec 709 on the camera, does it affect the monitor calibration display? As well as if you have a LUT display on, does it affect it? Thanks
The LUT affects the whole display equally on top of your calibration preset. In other words your calibration is affecting the root level of the display colors, while the LUT is at the video FEED level only. Which is why your LUT doesn’t affect your menus colors while you’re calibration does
Hi I don't suppose you've had a chance to test the IRND qualites of the ND filters? The key feature for me are the ND's, so unless they are pretty good in terms of IRND, then i'll probably refrain from getting the camera. Any insight would be most welcome. Thanks for your work. Appreciate it.
That’s mean you need to buy an EVF. Also that’s provided your evf is giving you a satisfactory result. Honestly, I prefer having control over how the screen looks then get a factory set color on it
@@THEDPJOURNEY We have to work with what is given. I did not buy the EVF to match with the screen. I bought it because I like using EVFs---especially hand held shooting. The EVF is not a work of art in the 6k pro, but it's decent--worlds better than the EVF of the A7III---which I found to be horrible, and an LCD that is little better. Anyway, after the 7.3 update the screen is much better----after all, what comes out of the camera is really what matters, and the robustness of the clips provide a LOT of latitude for work in post---so, for me, the blue tint of the LCD was a tempest in a tea pot----meanwhile almost no one says squeak about how terrible the means are that Sony has provided, terrible screens, cheap build, horrible peaking, bizarre looking colors---unusable...but don't get me started.
Hahaha.. yeah about all SONY. And yeah Matching screen to EVF would work again if the EVF is offering good result and of course provided you’re planning to buy it. Thanks again for the comment
@@avarmadillo Sounds like you’ve got some real issues with your unbridled hatred of Sony. Truly bizarre! But this channel is not about hating on brands. Your type of mean-spirited comments are what make the Internet so toxic.
Because of so many reasons honestly: Overall Image quality Gen 5 color science Internal Prores 5” HDR screen Built in ND ANAMORPHIC mode Price To name a few…
A numeric reference would have been sooo useful. Perhaps it’ll come in a firmware update.
Hope so
Spoiler: Humans cannot calibrate light-based monitors, nor judge correct WB on set, period. That's why we use colourimeters and spectrometers.
Exactly. And that’s why this tool is “far from being perfect”. I’m just trying to get the best of it as that’s the only solution they offered
@@THEDPJOURNEY Yea, I'm just more surprised that these cameras passed QC in the factory. Looking at how other cameras in that form-factor handle monitor calibration, the tools BMD have released are standard so I wouldn't really expect much more from them for just a camera viewfinder. Still, you should really only use the viewfinder for framing and use a metered white-balance on a greycard rather than trusting any dialed in kelvin value. There are a surprising amount of (even professional) cameras, bi-colour and WWRGB lights that have wildly varying ideas of what kelvin values are. The only reliable tool is shooting raw with a chart/card trusting the scopes in post.
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It's sad that they've given a "pro" HDR display compared to the previous 6k, but with such horrible calibration tools.
They should atleast given us the numerical values of the Temp-Tint so that we get a somewhat accurate WB of the screen, reliable to judge WB of the scene. Hope BM listen and add this feature.
Yeah exactly! They do have quality control issues unfortunately
Well, I used my i1pro to measure patches and adjust these sliders on P4K.
This requires me to make it cooler and more magenta.
The result is dE=1.3 for white patch, and dE=0.9 for gray.
Now menus looks way magenta, but I hope the image now is neutral.
Yeah you went the more Pro Way! I guess that would be the ideal way
Worked like a charm, but: one 6K pro display shows an overexposed image (by at least roughly two stops), the other image is perfect. What’s happening here? How can I fix that? 🥺
Tes videos sont justes magiques et tellement bien expliquées, je suis un grand Fan....
Merci bien Marc, c'est mon plaisire.
Necesito ayuda
A bit off topic - but I know you use keynote for some of your animations - would love to see a tutorial on that if you'd be inclined!!
Hey Mark, based on popular demand. I’m planning to do that soon 👍
@@THEDPJOURNEY Great to know!!
won't the used lens affect the calibration ? I mean, doesn't every lens has different color rendition ? or is it not that much affective ?
There is a lens difference yes, but It’s not that dramatic no. Again this is not a $40K reference monitor we’re calibrating. We just want to get it close enough to what you should see on your timeline, so we’re good with a large margin of error
Great tips! Also, could you please feature your RoboCop Collectibles in your next episode? Those are dope!
Hahah.. you noticed Robocop! Sure... maybe I'll do a test with it then ;)
Love your videos, I got 6k and 6k pro, have great results with both ☺️ rock on 👊🤘
Rock on! 🤘
I hope BMD simply add calibrator support into their camera and monitor. Atomos already does. Simple Temp/Tint adjustment only works when a screen has wrong white point setting. Wouldn't help if the screen has bad gamma response, partially distorted color response. Only prompt calibration can solve this.
Not sure, but you could use the video assist monitor also as visual reference to do the calibration, or any other calibrated external monitor. It could have been more helpful if they added the option to use the calibration tool in a live view setup. May be the new RGB histogram can also be used to achieve a neutral white balance. Numerical values for the balancing would indeed have been of great help.
You could, but how good is the calibration of their video assist would be? Also This means you will have to buy the video assist. I feel many of the people who are buying this camera might not have any calibrated monitor options on the side. So the solution is good if you only have this camera
@@THEDPJOURNEY True. It sad to see how camera manufacturers tend to ignore the importance of having a calibrated monitor or viewfinder. But somewhere somehow an owner will have to look for a calibrated monitor so as to compare. I've never trusted any camera I've had in the past and always tried so.
One question: When you change the profile from film to rec 709 on the camera, does it affect the monitor calibration display? As well as if you have a LUT display on, does it affect it? Thanks
The LUT affects the whole display equally on top of your calibration preset. In other words your calibration is affecting the root level of the display colors, while the LUT is at the video FEED level only. Which is why your LUT doesn’t affect your menus colors while you’re calibration does
Thank you, keep on rocking with bmpcc6k pro
My pleasure. Thanks for watching
Luckily i have the pocket 4K, so i put it side by side.
Thank you. Really good to know👍
Thanks for watching
Hi
I don't suppose you've had a chance to test the IRND qualites of the ND filters?
The key feature for me are the ND's, so unless they are pretty good in terms of IRND, then i'll probably refrain from getting the camera.
Any insight would be most welcome.
Thanks for your work. Appreciate it.
I did, you gotta check the full review episode ua-cam.com/video/ubs40opaMqs/v-deo.html
Thanks for the info....👍
My pleasure :)
why not perform a manual white balanced and then try to match the lcd color to the evf, which doesn't have the blue cast?
That’s mean you need to buy an EVF. Also that’s provided your evf is giving you a satisfactory result. Honestly, I prefer having control over how the screen looks then get a factory set color on it
@@THEDPJOURNEY We have to work with what is given. I did not buy the EVF to match with the screen. I bought it because I like using EVFs---especially hand held shooting. The EVF is not a work of art in the 6k pro, but it's decent--worlds better than the EVF of the A7III---which I found to be horrible, and an LCD that is little better.
Anyway, after the 7.3 update the screen is much better----after all, what comes out of the camera is really what matters, and the robustness of the clips provide a LOT of latitude for work in post---so, for me, the blue tint of the LCD was a tempest in a tea pot----meanwhile almost no one says squeak about how terrible the means are that Sony has provided, terrible screens, cheap build, horrible peaking, bizarre looking colors---unusable...but don't get me started.
Hahaha.. yeah about all SONY.
And yeah Matching screen to EVF would work again if the EVF is offering good result and of course provided you’re planning to buy it. Thanks again for the comment
@@THEDPJOURNEY you're welcome---and thanks for the great reviews---they are the very best on youtube--and I watch a LOT of them!
@@avarmadillo Sounds like you’ve got some real issues with your unbridled hatred of Sony. Truly bizarre! But this channel is not about hating on brands. Your type of mean-spirited comments are what make the Internet so toxic.
Thanks! Great tips!!
You bet!
shoot raw, give the files to an editor
now, it's not your problem anymore
Hahaha… yeah but what if you’re the editor and you’re not familiar with RAW or don’t work on DAVINCI
@@THEDPJOURNEY so I did you buy the camera - bmpcc 6k, if you're not shooting raw and using davinci?
Because of so many reasons honestly:
Overall Image quality
Gen 5 color science
Internal Prores
5” HDR screen
Built in ND
ANAMORPHIC mode
Price
To name a few…
I’m guessing most Pocket 6K owners do their own processing.