VulpeRenard eh if you look at one of them they have this mood of 'why why me?' They look like they hate their curse to the point where they have an ability called absolution where he forgives himself of his cursed state and relieves himself of guilt it could be possible the reason he heals is his beast form heals his body active or not but all this guilt and (base as in he had it before coming to the manor) stress is stopping his beast form from doing so.So when he sees another abomination transform he could be feeling guilty for them or just feeling scared thinking/knowing that others are afflicted with his curse to the point where they look exactly like himself or he could be thinking 'I-I am like that too no I AM that too' thus he gets stress when another abomination transforms even when he is one himself
Lol Abominations are stresses even when they themselves transform. You really think they get used to it? Like seeing others like them doesnt stress them out?
I much prefer Occultist healing each of my hero's to full health every turn and have the Abomination in the team rather than the Vestal. To me you would really have to be incredibly unlucky for more than 2 hero's to be brought to death's door when they had full health in the same turn.
(...) screen capture of part of an Excel spreadsheet (...) so you can see what the abomination Excels at. Clever! I like it! (oh and the content is good too)
Running the abomination as a human and keeping the transformation as a trump card works wonders for me. His stun and double-blight are super useful, especially with a plague doctor buddy. His self-heal means he can pseudo-tank and takes a big weight of the healer's shoulders, especially since said healer is usually the doctor who doesn't score big numbers. I rarely feel the need to transform, I only do it when im almost done and I keep the chain trinket that reduces stress to the party from tranforming by 25%. He is one of my favourite heroes tbh, I love his design and lore, poor guy is a kind soul, hated and tortured by the religious "good guys"...
If you only transform as a last resort, don't use the manacles. It's not worth wasting a trinket slot purely on somethinf that MIGHT happen. Manacles are for when you know your Abomination will be transforming a lot
using the quickening, the dark power occultist camp skill, 2 damage trinkets, psyche up, rake bonus damage and the transformation bonus I was able to one shot the clapper claws before they got a chance to do damage :P making the shambler boss a joke... the same run before the shambler I did half the hags health in one with a crit before she even started attacking //.o ... it was such a good run... (occultist, hound master, abom, hellion) love that comp
jester has better stress heals, suffers far less being shuffled and doesn't waste an item slot but I prefer hound master for just being a great class overall, getting to attack any position for moderate damage have a great stun and self heal I highly value
Filthy robot is a great player and very rational. That being said, don't forget to have fun and play all the classes that you find fun. (i'm not responsible for your nervous breakdowns though).
"Beast's Bile isn't all that good of an ability" > blights 2 targets at once > 3 damage / 3 turns > lowers blight chance for either himself or a plague doctor to follow up with another blight Whatever you say
Beast's bile is okay, but it's nowhere near as good as the stun, so you never really use it over the stun. It lacks any instant damage which means it can't be used to finish off low creatures, the blight chance isn't high and Abom lacks any trinkets to increase blight chance, and the blight damage is very slight in comparison to plague doc Just run plague doc
Abomination is one of the most versatile characters. Able to stun, make Blight, heal itself, Push enemies, and multi hit the front. Also has decent dodge. Usually use his human form unless I need to really change the game style mid-dungeon.
Great review! I had a great time with the double abomination setup with jester to offset the stress and occultist for heals. Made running with best mode most of the time viable.
I hope you got the game, DD is absolutely my favorite game right next to Hollow Knight. Trust me, it’s worth your time. The hard part of the game I learned is the beginning and it gets slightly easier at you learn and adapt.
I see a lot of hate on the Leper but so far I'm finding him to be quite decent (even though he did absolutely nothing against the Sonorous Prophet, though you could argue that was my fault from bringing him in to that fight). Can anyone explain to me why does he suck so bad? I'm fairly new to the game, obviously.
He talked a bit about it in his "How good is the Leper?" video, but I think the main problem that he finds with the Leper is his accuracy. He is statwise one of, if not the strongest, damage dealer purely from a dmg stat pov, but the accuracy means he isn't as consistent in dealing dmg as basically any other class. As he said in the Leper video, "it is better to have a character who can consistently deal some of dmg each turn, than an unreliable character that only hits some turns". Hope that helps a bit.
Man. Imagine how cool a fight against the abomination as a boss would be. You have this weird humanoid enemy that stuns your team and heals himself, possibly relying on goons to protect him, and once you have dropped him to a certain health he goes batshit insane and turns into this huge monster that just nukes your team with it's damage and health. And if you fail to kill it in a certain time it goes back to it's human form and heals again
Now I wish they had rogue heroes who turn into boss characters. Mayhaps a unique affliction that gives a chance to turn rogue. Or something. Some heroes (flagellant) would be horrendous to fight against
@@crusadernikolai1996 I never understood why they didn't make dismissing heroes do this. Corrupted heroes having a chance of showing up in combat as mini bosses of sorts would make me lose my ass.
Hellion, Abomination, Jester and Occultist is a really good combo especially with the right trinkets. I usually finish max level dungeons with no stress with this class combo.
Man. The abomination is like a boss from the game got sick of it's job and decided to join the good guys. Think about it: he's the most "monster-like" out of all the classes, he is super OP and his only drawback is that he doesn't get along with the heroes (I wonder why? XD). He even has the multi-stage bossfight concept on lockdown. Abomination defector boss confirmed
Reynauld: It's sucks our Mr Leper keep missing his attacks every chance he got... Vestal: I hate to say that but we need to gang up with abomination. How quickly the tide turned!
I found a very simple composition that works for Abom. 2 abom and an occultist on 3 spot. For the 4 spot you can vary from arbaletist or even antiquarian, houndmaster havent tried(but better in spot 3).How the composition works. Well The 1 one almost always transforms, the rest of time healing(nothing else to do really)The second abom is a support with stuns and blight occasionally. Oculltis main healer(some eldich dmg). I used arba for some healing done and dmg of course(occultist helps on marking). The party works for medium and long dungeons on stygian aand veteran and champ dungeons. Really careful on stress, you can get a jester too. With this party I killed a Shambler once(pretty fun and recless) You can have some fun with the party and its just an idea :)
You're underrating Bile. You can stack blights very effectively in areas like the Ruins and Cove. I often run an Abom with a Plague Doc and you can get blight on ranks 2, 3, 4 in turn one, and rank 3 gets stacked twice. Absolution is the move I use at the end of combat when I have a free turn, but when I have a "nonessential" turn with the Abom in the middle or beginning of combat (nothing I NEED to stun, transform for and my health is high), I stack more blights. It's more free damage and it adds up. The Abom is one of those characters who can play the long game with his high health and speed, so stacking blights isn't a waste. A lot of annoying asshole enemies like to hang out in rank 3.
I feel like you should mention what comps work well with each character and having that as its own separate category as a lot of classes are situational. For example putting a Houndmaster and a Bounty Hunter together work quite well, as and even dumb stuff like Abomination, Abomination, Abomination, Abomination can get you through the Darkest dungeon since everyone becomes self-sufficient.
The Abomination seems like a neutral role character at his core but can be whatever you need him to be, high adaptability you could say. I honestly love using him as a tank in the second position (heavy boots recommended at a minimum) with a fast Antiquarian using the forced guard at the beginning of every round. He's a big stress sponge and can fight back comfortably while mitigating the damage from usually the first two ranks which is usually enough to tip the battle in your favour but... DD
The best combo i have found in this game is man at arms (only in ruins)/hellion, abomination, ocultist and jester. Very strong comp that can sustain itself and damage the back line very easy. The heal stress trinket for jester ia very good and his aeo buff makes the party aven stronger. Ocultist can fill the hp of the party , abomination has its own heal and hellion also has heal. Hellion can damage the 4th enemy wich usually is the annoing stress monster and sometimes she kills him in the first strike, if not ocultist will do the job. You must try this party. I think its a high potential dmg and sustain composition.
Good class review. I find myself hardly ever using these guys myself due to the drawbacks you point out. I think they should have designed the Vestal a bit better. The Vestal is too good at what she does.
The vestal is only exceptionally good because of the aoe heal. What we needed was a new class or classes that were able to compete with that in some way. Even if it was just a party-wide one hp heal on a class with different stuff it would be fairly viable.
Because of how the Death's Door mechanic works the Vestal is the best class in the game, period. But I would like to have another healer class that was just as good.
Great stuff! It would be great to see you list your favorites from each of the four groups! Also there are workshop mods that remove the class restriction for Abomination for those that want to use him more! (Can agree that the class restrictions isn't a very imaginative way to hold back this beast)
Abomination is a solid choice for me. His manacles and bile make him great in the backline, and he can transform and jump in as a switch-hitter frontliner if he main tank needs a break. He doesn't even need to rely on a healer, absolution keeps him just enough in the fight that my primary bandaid can focus on other characters.
Thanks for the video. The devs have stated that the religious restriction is going to be removed from the Abominations. Look it up, its going to be awesome when it happens.
Found you a few months ago, I've loved and hated DD but I'm back and I'm loving it. I was just wandering, if you have a positive quirks that reduces stress from HUMANS and BEASTS will the quirks reduce the stress of the Abomination? Tried looking this up but couldn't find it anywhere.
They are as short as is needed if you want a proper explanation of what makes a character strong or weak. You need to know the stats, the abilities (and which are best to use), how the character "works" on its own and with others, and thus a rating. It is well structured and covers everything necessary. Shorter would simply gloss over understanding potentially significant aspects. Sometimes learning requires time and application. Oh noes!
Man, I love the abomination! But I have to admit, I am using Beast's Bile a little bit more often than you consider it to be used, because it can be very decent if you use a party making use of it. E.g. you run a party consisting of Occultist, Plague Doc, Abomination and Hellion (back to front, obviously). It enables a super nice control game, with the downside of the party not being in very good shape concerning shuffles. Still - super strong, especially in the cove. Nice video, and thank you for giving in-depth information about the classes. I hope this project will be finished for all of the characters. =) Would love to have more information I might have overlooked. Keep it up, and cheers from Germany!
One of my favourite team comps is just Plague Doc, Abom, Abom, and Houndmaster. The Plague Doc and the Houndmaster suffer from stress on long missions, but the ammount of Plague damage you deal is astonishing. This party cuts through the Flesh boss in no time at all. Just vomit and plague nade your way through almost anything haha
My personal favorite is Occultist, Highwayman, Abom, and BH. Able to pull those annoying backline enemies to the front, stun them so they can't get out of the way, and hurt them a nice chunk with HWM. This is an aggressive team that loves to hurt anyone in their way.
It's funny, I ran an Abomination and a Leper together. It was glaring how the abominiation in his monster form did everything the Leper should be able to do but ten times better. I don't often see this comparison, but why on earth would you go Leper when the Abomination fills his role so much better. Every skill the Leper has, the Abomination has a much better answer for, AND he's a stunner class on top of that. Like whatehell, something went seriously wrong in ballancing.
"Stunning is what you're going to be doing 90 percent of the time." If by stunning, you mean using Rage to tear Rank 3's face off, then yes, I do a lot of stunning. =D Restraining Padlock for life.
It's a good character but the flexibility is bad, very bad. PD, OCC, Abo, Hel is a good party composition. You can stun all positions & double stun on the 1-2, 3-4. Quite strong party I would say. I would start the combat with double stun (PD, Hel) then abbysal artillery & rake or blight from abomination. The second turn a plague grenade & another abbysal artillery ends with anything in the back. It's not too strong against bosses but on normal maps it's a cakewalk if you have proper trinkets.
i have trinckets that allow me to have a 25% chance (45% with the highwayman) to get a virtue status when stress hit 100%, when i have a party with those items and is viable to use the abominattion, i tend to transform a LOT specially if i have the heroes virtue event
Actually using Abo as dmg dealer primary is also doable and can be very good thanks to aoe dmg. It works very good with other aoe attacks and some stress cure (hmm... Houndmaster in Warrens?).
I just started DkstDugn and got an abomination. Hell yeah awesome frontliner second spot behind heavy some flanking from 3 and a plaque doc on 4. Its a mad house as long that abomination is either first or second spot. First spot I just spam the self heal(health and stress) its madness .
In the game’s current state is dodge more viable? Or does the same go still to this day: that being high HP increases survivability over high dodge chance?
I'm not a long term player, but I feel like I'm allowed to give my own little thoughts. Honestly, I like using him with a Jester, Antiquarian/Plague Doctor, and a Man at Arms. Jester's team wide buffs allow me to constantly set up defenses with the MaA, or set up blight and stuns with Abom. The Antiquarian is mainly used for her ability to force protect someone, buffing my MaA or Abom, however she can be switched out for a more offensive Plague Doctor, which can help set up blight or finish off low health enemies in the front. TL;DR, Man at Arms is used defensively, the Abom builds up more damage or helps take out enemies while also sticking to the bulky side, Jester's main focus is to buff his party and himself, making him a potent mid- to late-fight damage dealer, and the Antiquarian/Plague Doctor support the the team by either buffing or debuffing. Honestly, it's more focused around the Jester, however, the Abom's role is not forgotten, and he can still put up a fight when he needs to. However, I do have another party. The Bounty Hunter, the Abom, the Occultist, and the Highwayman. This is more offensive, but it does shine when it comes to targeting a specific enemy. Because the BH and the Occult both have pulls, I can pull an annoying ranged enemy from the back straight to the front, as long as they don't resist. The Abom and Highwayman are way more damage focused, however the Abom still sits backline to the Highwayman. While the Occultist's heal isn't consistent, it's still there, and it's bleed doesn't proc as much as it could. These guys are more so focused on taking out bosses, instead of general enemies, but they still pack a punch.
I think crit is especially nice on the Vestal because of her party heal. Her base crit is pretty bad, but if you mainly use her for that she has four chances to crit.
I liked the analysis overall. The dodge rant ran a little long. I actually would rather you didn't explicitly give the classes rankings at all, if someone actually listens to a video like this, thinks about it, and plays the game a bit, then they'll know where it lies, and individual playstyle could even shift it around a bit (the Abomination's class restriction may be a much larger or smaller issue for some people for instance), so I think it mostly just encourages the mindset of "he said this was a strong class, so I'll use it", rather than actually learning.
That might be a cool addition. There are a lot of different drawbacks they could incorporate into it as well. You would get into the same "why compensate when you could improve" realm as you do with the leper, but I think the abomination is probably strong enough that he'd still be useful, and you wouldn't have to run it with every group.
It could make it so that he has a limited amount of times you can transform or affect the healing he recieves onced transformed. It would make transforming more strategic. Their could also be a quirk religious characters could get called acceptant that let them go with adomination.
I like the idea of losing a trinket slot on a unique trinket to be able to go with a vestal better tbh, seems more balanced and consistent than praying for a certain quirk on ur characters
Other ideas Trinkets: adventerure bag. takes up one slot but lets that player get 4 more slots for loot at the cost of speed. Leper moves: Bait, forces enemy to attack leper, gives leper 200 dodge against next attack. Holy Strike\Purge, leper charges it up for one turn then aoe debuffs all of enemy team while boosting team accuracy and speed.
I actually never liked the abomination myself, but, I will thank you for showing me what merit it does have. Though, mods provided me with the Lamia, a healer/stress healer with a debuff ability and no damaging abilities in human form he becomes a blight heavy damage dealer, and that just meshes better with how I personally build teams.
I guess by the sole standard of "keeping a hero alive", HP> Dodge, but that is not the only criterion that factors into evaluating stats. How is one's actual playthrough as a whole from start to finish --- from being a beginner to progressing to an experienced player? The advantage of dodge is that it buys you time. The more often you take a turn to heal, the more it costs you progression. The more you will need to buy items to heal status because you have no dodge, the more it costs you gold. You can't outheal damage in this game, which is why stall strats are a thing. The longer the dungeon, the more it becomes imperative to avoid taking damage, or one is not moving forward efficiently. That progression should not be sacrificed to the goal of at all costs preventing hero death. I think it might be more accurate to say that dodge is the lifeblood of the beginner. The beginner has a lot of things to unlock, and very few resources. The more they unlock and more experience with the game they have, the more abundant their gold becomes, the more they can then afford to run HP over dodge.
If you had the option to pay money to bring a dead hero back to life with all equipment, skills, trinkets, and quirks intact, would you? No shit you would. You do have this option. You run HP over dodge.
Dodge starts meaning something when there is light, in these videos he assumes there is no light. In Pitch Black the highest base dodge class has the bare minimum chance to dodge because of monster accuracy increase in the dark.
It was always funny to me that if you bring multiple Abominations, one transforming *still* stresses out the other.
VulpeRenard eh if you look at one of them they have this mood of 'why why me?' They look like they hate their curse to the point where they have an ability called absolution where he forgives himself of his cursed state and relieves himself of guilt it could be possible the reason he heals is his beast form heals his body active or not but all this guilt and (base as in he had it before coming to the manor) stress is stopping his beast form from doing so.So when he sees another abomination transform he could be feeling guilty for them or just feeling scared thinking/knowing that others are afflicted with his curse to the point where they look exactly like himself or he could be thinking 'I-I am like that too no I AM that too' thus he gets stress when another abomination transforms even when he is one himself
VulpeRenard They don't like mirrors...
Lol
Abominations are stresses even when they themselves transform.
You really think they get used to it?
Like seeing others like them doesnt stress them out?
Arsene Lupin well put!
Just a reminder of the monster inside...😢
It'd be cool if the vestal could run with an abomination if they had the faithless quirk.
Take the occultist, his heal is really good and abomination doesnt bleed as often
Occultist heal, while strong, is inconsistent, and the whole point was that you can't have an aoe heal at all if the abomination is with the group.
I much prefer Occultist healing each of my hero's to full health every turn and have the Abomination in the team rather than the Vestal. To me you would really have to be incredibly unlucky for more than 2 hero's to be brought to death's door when they had full health in the same turn.
Being unlucky is exactly what kills you in this game, and that's why Vestal is far better than Occultist. Consitency.
A valid enough point, though I must confess I'm quite the gambler leading to my gameplay to be heavily chance based
So, basically, since The Color of Madness allows Vestal do party with the Abomination, it should be considered a Strong character.
Tortured and reclusive... this man is more dangerous than he seems...
How can you tell?
@@sub7se7en Its the quote.
Marvell Jackson lmfao
@@DirtyMike124x you didn't know?
@@GreatOne_1 about what? I think you are mixing me up with subseven up above lmao
98% to hit? thats pesimistic more like 2% to miss ye boi
juz wiem co to you're looking optimism in the wrong game my boi xD
There can be no hope in this hell. No hope at all.
actually each char had (HAD! dumb new patch) 10% acc buff. So no, you're complety wrong.
(...) screen capture of part of an Excel spreadsheet (...) so you can see what the abomination Excels at.
Clever! I like it! (oh and the content is good too)
(...) I use useless symbols! (...)
Yeah I think it is good way to directly see the weak points and the power points.
Running the abomination as a human and keeping the transformation as a trump card works wonders for me. His stun and double-blight are super useful, especially with a plague doctor buddy. His self-heal means he can pseudo-tank and takes a big weight of the healer's shoulders, especially since said healer is usually the doctor who doesn't score big numbers. I rarely feel the need to transform, I only do it when im almost done and I keep the chain trinket that reduces stress to the party from tranforming by 25%. He is one of my favourite heroes tbh, I love his design and lore, poor guy is a kind soul, hated and tortured by the religious "good guys"...
If you only transform as a last resort, don't use the manacles. It's not worth wasting a trinket slot purely on somethinf that MIGHT happen. Manacles are for when you know your Abomination will be transforming a lot
It doesn't matter whether they transform a lot of not it's just better to be prepared
@@Dovahnoredrawswouldn't it be better to be prepared with a trinket that'll net you more value over time?
using the quickening, the dark power occultist camp skill, 2 damage trinkets, psyche up, rake bonus damage and the transformation bonus I was able to one shot the clapper claws before they got a chance to do damage :P making the shambler boss a joke... the same run before the shambler I did half the hags health in one with a crit before she even started attacking //.o ... it was such a good run... (occultist, hound master, abom, hellion) love that comp
I use that comp except replacing the hound master with a jester. Leaves you vulnerable to traps but it is normally fine.
jester has better stress heals, suffers far less being shuffled and doesn't waste an item slot but I prefer hound master for just being a great class overall, getting to attack any position for moderate damage have a great stun and self heal I highly value
yeah but you cant sell them, so if you take too many provisions, you won't be able to properly prepare
Well, if you're provisioning with ALL of your space, you're doing something wrong, pal.
I love that character combo
More guides on Darkest Dungeon please, Filthy you are definitely one of the most precise and informative at making guides on youtube
You're doing this for every class? I'm super hyped now!
Yep!
Filthy robot is a great player and very rational. That being said, don't forget to have fun and play all the classes that you find fun. (i'm not responsible for your nervous breakdowns though).
Thankfully the religious restrictions have been removed in the Color of Madness DLC update. The Abomination can go with the religious characters now.
"Beast's Bile isn't all that good of an ability"
> blights 2 targets at once
> 3 damage / 3 turns
> lowers blight chance for either himself or a plague doctor to follow up with another blight
Whatever you say
I don't even use his beast form when I use the Abomination because his blight skill and stun skill are so good.
I fricken love using the abomination.
Beast's bile is okay, but it's nowhere near as good as the stun, so you never really use it over the stun. It lacks any instant damage which means it can't be used to finish off low creatures, the blight chance isn't high and Abom lacks any trinkets to increase blight chance, and the blight damage is very slight in comparison to plague doc
Just run plague doc
@Remy Boivin Padlock of Transference increases his blight and stun chance. I still prefer Beast Mode.
Abomination is one of the most versatile characters. Able to stun, make Blight, heal itself, Push enemies, and multi hit the front. Also has decent dodge. Usually use his human form unless I need to really change the game style mid-dungeon.
Abomination is in my opinion one of the strongest characters in the game. If you could vestal with him he'd instantly become overpowered.
You can now.
It's not
Actually weakest he gave stress
This didn't age very well.
@@andreasmuller4172 Why you say so?
These guide videos are second to none. The ability to explain a subject in a clear and concise manner demonstrates a clear understanding of the topic.
Thanks!
Great review!
I had a great time with the double abomination setup with jester to offset the stress and occultist for heals. Made running with best mode most of the time viable.
I have never played DD in my life, yet I keep watching these videos and I weirdly enjoy them...
I hope you got the game, DD is absolutely my favorite game right next to Hollow Knight. Trust me, it’s worth your time. The hard part of the game I learned is the beginning and it gets slightly easier at you learn and adapt.
@@StinkyPoopyMcFartFace OMG my 2 favourite games are also HK and DD
should do 4 point system: strong, average, weak, leper
This, yes.
poor leper, you were never the wall of flesh we truly needed
strong / average / leper / antiquarian
I see a lot of hate on the Leper but so far I'm finding him to be quite decent (even though he did absolutely nothing against the Sonorous Prophet, though you could argue that was my fault from bringing him in to that fight). Can anyone explain to me why does he suck so bad? I'm fairly new to the game, obviously.
He talked a bit about it in his "How good is the Leper?" video, but I think the main problem that he finds with the Leper is his accuracy. He is statwise one of, if not the strongest, damage dealer purely from a dmg stat pov, but the accuracy means he isn't as consistent in dealing dmg as basically any other class. As he said in the Leper video, "it is better to have a character who can consistently deal some of dmg each turn, than an unreliable character that only hits some turns". Hope that helps a bit.
Man. Imagine how cool a fight against the abomination as a boss would be. You have this weird humanoid enemy that stuns your team and heals himself, possibly relying on goons to protect him, and once you have dropped him to a certain health he goes batshit insane and turns into this huge monster that just nukes your team with it's damage and health. And if you fail to kill it in a certain time it goes back to it's human form and heals again
@@IHateDubstep you are technically not wrong. But I meant work him in his own proper boss encounter
Sounds like bloodborne.
@@KonoGufo the transformation aspect and the abomination in general have a very Bloodborne feel, yes
Now I wish they had rogue heroes who turn into boss characters. Mayhaps a unique affliction that gives a chance to turn rogue. Or something. Some heroes (flagellant) would be horrendous to fight against
@@crusadernikolai1996 I never understood why they didn't make dismissing heroes do this. Corrupted heroes having a chance of showing up in combat as mini bosses of sorts would make me lose my ass.
I subscribe completely with the analysis, the lake of pairing is so important.
in summary:
abomination = god except in the case of some of the harder AOE damage bosses
Very informative video! One thing I would like to see, is a section for classes that pair well with the title class.
Cilmendel Example thing of like Plague Doctor and Occultist playing well?
Hellion, Abomination, Jester and Occultist is a really good combo especially with the right trinkets. I usually finish max level dungeons with no stress with this class combo.
12:56 - Oh, thank you! You're the first UA-camr I've heard actually pronounce the 't' in _vestal._ Everyone else seems to pronounce it like _vessel._
Man. The abomination is like a boss from the game got sick of it's job and decided to join the good guys. Think about it: he's the most "monster-like" out of all the classes, he is super OP and his only drawback is that he doesn't get along with the heroes (I wonder why? XD). He even has the multi-stage bossfight concept on lockdown. Abomination defector boss confirmed
Yes
he also looks like a boss
They suck after nerf and you can't even run them with 33% of the other classes
Thinkfully mods remove that and I think later updates just so things can live. They just stress the religus more.
I anticipate the videos for Vestal and Houndmaster will be five seconds long, and consist of Filthy saying "put them on your team, guys. Seriously."
Thanks for making these guides, they help a lot
My pleasure, been pleasantly surprised at the response so far!
I have like 500 hours on this game and I never realized Herbs were good to remove buffs of camping buffs, excellent information, as always Filthy.
Reynauld: It's sucks our Mr Leper keep missing his attacks every chance he got...
Vestal: I hate to say that but we need to gang up with abomination.
How quickly the tide turned!
God I love you Filthy. Your strategic and tactical thinking is amazing.
Great video! I Just started playing and I was looking for a guide like this. Great work man!
Just picked up this game over the thanksgiving weekend on steam sale, loving it and found your vids awesome
Nice video, a lot of useful information and little tips for improve my gameplay. Keep it up!
Abomination has always been one of my favorite class's I love the idea of a shape shifting monster on your team.
I found a very simple composition that works for Abom. 2 abom and an occultist on 3 spot. For the 4 spot you can vary from arbaletist or even antiquarian, houndmaster havent tried(but better in spot 3).How the composition works. Well The 1 one almost always transforms, the rest of time healing(nothing else to do really)The second abom is a support with stuns and blight occasionally. Oculltis main healer(some eldich dmg). I used arba for some healing done and dmg of course(occultist helps on marking). The party works for medium and long dungeons on stygian aand veteran and champ dungeons. Really careful on stress, you can get a jester too. With this party I killed a Shambler once(pretty fun and recless) You can have some fun with the party and its just an idea :)
nice. hopefully we get a tier list for heros and for items.
You're underrating Bile. You can stack blights very effectively in areas like the Ruins and Cove. I often run an Abom with a Plague Doc and you can get blight on ranks 2, 3, 4 in turn one, and rank 3 gets stacked twice.
Absolution is the move I use at the end of combat when I have a free turn, but when I have a "nonessential" turn with the Abom in the middle or beginning of combat (nothing I NEED to stun, transform for and my health is high), I stack more blights. It's more free damage and it adds up. The Abom is one of those characters who can play the long game with his high health and speed, so stacking blights isn't a waste. A lot of annoying asshole enemies like to hang out in rank 3.
Damn nice DD videos, i learned so much. Keep up the good work.
I feel like you should mention what comps work well with each character and having that as its own separate category as a lot of classes are situational.
For example putting a Houndmaster and a Bounty Hunter together work quite well, as and even dumb stuff like Abomination, Abomination, Abomination, Abomination can get you through the Darkest dungeon since everyone becomes self-sufficient.
The Abomination seems like a neutral role character at his core but can be whatever you need him to be, high adaptability you could say. I honestly love using him as a tank in the second position (heavy boots recommended at a minimum) with a fast Antiquarian using the forced guard at the beginning of every round. He's a big stress sponge and can fight back comfortably while mitigating the damage from usually the first two ranks which is usually enough to tip the battle in your favour but... DD
The best combo i have found in this game is man at arms (only in ruins)/hellion, abomination, ocultist and jester. Very strong comp that can sustain itself and damage the back line very easy. The heal stress trinket for jester ia very good and his aeo buff makes the party aven stronger. Ocultist can fill the hp of the party , abomination has its own heal and hellion also has heal. Hellion can damage the 4th enemy wich usually is the annoing stress monster and sometimes she kills him in the first strike, if not ocultist will do the job. You must try this party. I think its a high potential dmg and sustain composition.
Could you make a video discussing different trinkets and compeering how beneficial they are?
I love the Abomination, very interesting hero.
Good class review. I find myself hardly ever using these guys myself due to the drawbacks you point out.
I think they should have designed the Vestal a bit better. The Vestal is too good at what she does.
The vestal is only exceptionally good because of the aoe heal. What we needed was a new class or classes that were able to compete with that in some way. Even if it was just a party-wide one hp heal on a class with different stuff it would be fairly viable.
Because of how the Death's Door mechanic works the Vestal is the best class in the game, period. But I would like to have another healer class that was just as good.
Great stuff! It would be great to see you list your favorites from each of the four groups!
Also there are workshop mods that remove the class restriction for Abomination for those that want to use him more! (Can agree that the class restrictions isn't a very imaginative way to hold back this beast)
It's super easy to edit out, take about 2 seconds to remove that restriction if you want to do.
Abomination is a solid choice for me. His manacles and bile make him great in the backline, and he can transform and jump in as a switch-hitter frontliner if he main tank needs a break. He doesn't even need to rely on a healer, absolution keeps him just enough in the fight that my primary bandaid can focus on other characters.
I used to value Abom very poorly before watching your video, I'll try and give him a shot.
Fucking love this game, Ive played this game more than any other game with the obvious exception of Dawn of War II
would love to see the flaggelent, especially with the hidden stress and virtue buffs
Thanks for the video. The devs have stated that the religious restriction is going to be removed from the Abominations. Look it up, its going to be awesome when it happens.
I knew this class was awesome! I called it as soon as I saw him in my stage coach.
I always bring abomination in the front with the people I need to let go. I transform every battle for the lols.
Found you a few months ago, I've loved and hated DD but I'm back and I'm loving it. I was just wandering, if you have a positive quirks that reduces stress from HUMANS and BEASTS will the quirks reduce the stress of the Abomination? Tried looking this up but couldn't find it anywhere.
Nope
these are really cool. looking forward to the rest.
these “how strong is the ..“ videos are a good idea. but make them shorter and more structured
udolf seelenfrost I agree
udolf seelenfrost I agree
Agreed. Good content, but I don't wanna spend like hours and hours working through all your content.
Filthy doesn't do short.
They are as short as is needed if you want a proper explanation of what makes a character strong or weak. You need to know the stats, the abilities (and which are best to use), how the character "works" on its own and with others, and thus a rating.
It is well structured and covers everything necessary.
Shorter would simply gloss over understanding potentially significant aspects.
Sometimes learning requires time and application. Oh noes!
Man, I love the abomination! But I have to admit, I am using Beast's Bile a little bit more often than you consider it to be used, because it can be very decent if you use a party making use of it. E.g. you run a party consisting of Occultist, Plague Doc, Abomination and Hellion (back to front, obviously). It enables a super nice control game, with the downside of the party not being in very good shape concerning shuffles. Still - super strong, especially in the cove.
Nice video, and thank you for giving in-depth information about the classes. I hope this project will be finished for all of the characters. =) Would love to have more information I might have overlooked. Keep it up, and cheers from Germany!
One of my favourite team comps is just Plague Doc, Abom, Abom, and Houndmaster. The Plague Doc and the Houndmaster suffer from stress on long missions, but the ammount of Plague damage you deal is astonishing. This party cuts through the Flesh boss in no time at all. Just vomit and plague nade your way through almost anything haha
My personal favorite is Occultist, Highwayman, Abom, and BH. Able to pull those annoying backline enemies to the front, stun them so they can't get out of the way, and hurt them a nice chunk with HWM. This is an aggressive team that loves to hurt anyone in their way.
I really like BEast bile in the Cove.
It melts the enemies there really quickly.
It's funny, I ran an Abomination and a Leper together. It was glaring how the abominiation in his monster form did everything the Leper should be able to do but ten times better. I don't often see this comparison, but why on earth would you go Leper when the Abomination fills his role so much better. Every skill the Leper has, the Abomination has a much better answer for, AND he's a stunner class on top of that. Like whatehell, something went seriously wrong in ballancing.
"Stunning is what you're going to be doing 90 percent of the time."
If by stunning, you mean using Rage to tear Rank 3's face off, then yes, I do a lot of stunning. =D
Restraining Padlock for life.
It's a good character but the flexibility is bad, very bad. PD, OCC, Abo, Hel is a good party composition. You can stun all positions & double stun on the 1-2, 3-4. Quite strong party I would say. I would start the combat with double stun (PD, Hel) then abbysal artillery & rake or blight from abomination. The second turn a plague grenade & another abbysal artillery ends with anything in the back. It's not too strong against bosses but on normal maps it's a cakewalk if you have proper trinkets.
Very informative. Ever think about doing workshop classes after you're done with vanilla ones?
I don't think he ever plays with content altering mods.
he doesnt play with modded classes
laughs in colour of madness
The content in your vid makes you look like very smart!
Liked it
That's what this channel is about, making me look smart
You didn't talk about Rage and Slam at all
Hey any chance you could redo this? i just read the patch notes and they made it possible to team with religious heroes
i have trinckets that allow me to have a 25% chance (45% with the highwayman) to get a virtue status when stress hit 100%, when i have a party with those items and is viable to use the abominattion, i tend to transform a LOT specially if i have the heroes virtue event
I like my front line vestal too much to run an abomination.
Nice video, good explanations.
I was hoping that you could do occultist and vestal, one after another so we can get a comparison of the two main healers.
Actually using Abo as dmg dealer primary is also doable and can be very good thanks to aoe dmg. It works very good with other aoe attacks and some stress cure (hmm... Houndmaster in Warrens?).
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I just started DkstDugn and got an abomination. Hell yeah awesome frontliner second spot behind heavy some flanking from 3 and a plaque doc on 4. Its a mad house as long that abomination is either first or second spot. First spot I just spam the self heal(health and stress) its madness .
I’m curious about the ability ‘Rage’. Is there a reason to use it over repeatedly stacking ‘Rake’? Love to hear peoples thoughts
In the game’s current state is dodge more viable? Or does the same go still to this day: that being high HP increases survivability over high dodge chance?
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So you said what made his team composition bad. What are some ways around that? What group compositions do you like to use with abominations?
I'm not a long term player, but I feel like I'm allowed to give my own little thoughts.
Honestly, I like using him with a Jester, Antiquarian/Plague Doctor, and a Man at Arms. Jester's team wide buffs allow me to constantly set up defenses with the MaA, or set up blight and stuns with Abom. The Antiquarian is mainly used for her ability to force protect someone, buffing my MaA or Abom, however she can be switched out for a more offensive Plague Doctor, which can help set up blight or finish off low health enemies in the front. TL;DR, Man at Arms is used defensively, the Abom builds up more damage or helps take out enemies while also sticking to the bulky side, Jester's main focus is to buff his party and himself, making him a potent mid- to late-fight damage dealer, and the Antiquarian/Plague Doctor support the the team by either buffing or debuffing. Honestly, it's more focused around the Jester, however, the Abom's role is not forgotten, and he can still put up a fight when he needs to.
However, I do have another party. The Bounty Hunter, the Abom, the Occultist, and the Highwayman. This is more offensive, but it does shine when it comes to targeting a specific enemy. Because the BH and the Occult both have pulls, I can pull an annoying ranged enemy from the back straight to the front, as long as they don't resist. The Abom and Highwayman are way more damage focused, however the Abom still sits backline to the Highwayman. While the Occultist's heal isn't consistent, it's still there, and it's bleed doesn't proc as much as it could. These guys are more so focused on taking out bosses, instead of general enemies, but they still pack a punch.
Abomination Is my best character! The only down side is he stresses everyone out! P.S Arbalest ftw!
This review needs a rework, since abomination can now run with a vestal
Don't you think that made the abom a little less interesting?
I think crit is especially nice on the Vestal because of her party heal. Her base crit is pretty bad, but if you mainly use her for that she has four chances to crit.
i know you don't answer comments, but 4 abominations completely breaks the game, its truly overpowered.
Have fun with all that stress though.
Abom x3 and a Puppymaster?
Abom in rank 4 is pretty f***in useless.
Cuz ya know ima good player, I have a level 4 abomination from level 0 who has still not transformed. :p He's still almost works.
Well, guess you're gonna have to rate him "good" Filthy, COM DLC just dropped :=3)
looking forward to these
Why many people say to transform in every battle with him?
I liked the analysis overall. The dodge rant ran a little long. I actually would rather you didn't explicitly give the classes rankings at all, if someone actually listens to a video like this, thinks about it, and plays the game a bit, then they'll know where it lies, and individual playstyle could even shift it around a bit (the Abomination's class restriction may be a much larger or smaller issue for some people for instance), so I think it mostly just encourages the mindset of "he said this was a strong class, so I'll use it", rather than actually learning.
I think abomination needs an item that lets him go with religious characters. You would need to do a special quest like shrieker though.
That might be a cool addition. There are a lot of different drawbacks they could incorporate into it as well. You would get into the same "why compensate when you could improve" realm as you do with the leper, but I think the abomination is probably strong enough that he'd still be useful, and you wouldn't have to run it with every group.
It could make it so that he has a limited amount of times you can transform or affect the healing he recieves onced transformed. It would make transforming more strategic. Their could also be a quirk religious characters could get called acceptant that let them go with adomination.
I like the idea of losing a trinket slot on a unique trinket to be able to go with a vestal better tbh, seems more balanced and consistent than praying for a certain quirk on ur characters
Other ideas
Trinkets: adventerure bag. takes up one slot but lets that player get 4 more slots for loot at the cost of speed.
Leper moves: Bait, forces enemy to attack leper, gives leper 200 dodge against next attack.
Holy Strike\Purge, leper charges it up for one turn then aoe debuffs all of enemy team while boosting team accuracy and speed.
Anyone else feel like it's weird that when not transformed he has to be rank 2-3 but when transformed he wants rate 1-2
Did you not go into Rage and Slam intentionally due to lack of usefulness?
how about bring him and the man at arms and buff the crap out of him, ohhh, so neat. Vs the 12 pound cannon and just raking trough everything.
Excellent review.can you share your excel sheet ?
awesome guide
Turns out it's pretty good
I actually never liked the abomination myself, but, I will thank you for showing me what merit it does have.
Though, mods provided me with the Lamia, a healer/stress healer with a debuff ability and no damaging abilities in human form he becomes a blight heavy damage dealer, and that just meshes better with how I personally build teams.
I guess by the sole standard of "keeping a hero alive", HP> Dodge, but that is not the only criterion that factors into evaluating stats.
How is one's actual playthrough as a whole from start to finish --- from being a beginner to progressing to an experienced player?
The advantage of dodge is that it buys you time.
The more often you take a turn to heal, the more it costs you progression.
The more you will need to buy items to heal status because you have no dodge, the more it costs you gold.
You can't outheal damage in this game, which is why stall strats are a thing.
The longer the dungeon, the more it becomes imperative to avoid taking damage, or one is not moving forward efficiently.
That progression should not be sacrificed to the goal of at all costs preventing hero death.
I think it might be more accurate to say that dodge is the lifeblood of the beginner.
The beginner has a lot of things to unlock, and very few resources.
The more they unlock and more experience with the game they have, the more abundant their gold becomes, the more they can then afford to run HP over dodge.
If you had the option to pay money to bring a dead hero back to life with all equipment, skills, trinkets, and quirks intact, would you? No shit you would.
You do have this option. You run HP over dodge.
What is the best fomation for the abomination guys ? I'm new with this game
So basically
abomination = stunbot
?
For the most part, yeah.
For the religious aspect. Does that mean he can go with a faithless vestal? But can't go with a god fearing occultist?
is he wearing his siberias without the earpads?
ny hellion died yesterdat because i had no good ranged dps
Religious characters with Faithless should be able to run with abomination.
I actually really like Dodge because of the opposite most of my heros have died because of damage stacking over time when I didn't have a healer
Dodge starts meaning something when there is light, in these videos he assumes there is no light. In Pitch Black the highest base dodge class has the bare minimum chance to dodge because of monster accuracy increase in the dark.