We're building a new home in Volcano Golf Course Estates. I would very much like to come and see you as we get closer to completion (around November '24) to get your input on planting.😀😀😀
Many years later i have not good understanding of chill in my area. 3700 ft in maui sounds like Volcano. We dip in the 40s constantly and yet im a zone 11. We will also get clouds that reminds me of SF. Artichokes do well here . There are wild peaches , plums and cherries and olives. Even in california they are finding that even high chill hours varieties are fruiting very well.
The climate does sound similar to Volcano but it must be drier. I grew chokes in CA put in Puna at 120" of rain they just rot and die slowly. USDA zone 11 covers a lot of very different climates. The Sunset Maps of Hawaii are a little better. I grew high, and low chill apples in California. The low chill types (250 hours) always fruited. The medium chill (450) like Fuji did very well. Anything higher than 500 hours ,in the SF Bay area, usually failed unless we frosted the lime trees.
So inspiring to hear others with the same optimism that we have. So much miss information has been passed down through the years. Time to clear the waters and find the truth.
Being optimistic is just one of my old habits that's hard to kill. Call me lazy because it takes a lot less muscles to smile than it does to frown. From here the waters only clear for a spell if you let the pond settle. Constant human activity tends to keep the waters muddy most of the time. Lack of clarity is a normal human condition. Clarity is often an illusion but enjoy it when it happens. You never know when it might actually be a real insight! Keep up the good work, our local culture can use all the good food and positive thinking we can provide. Do no harm and likely life will support your efforts. Bill
Heck Ed the comments and watched video… We are over in Volcano… 3,400 ft… think pineapples would grow.. ? What about a cash crop for travel and barter? Mahalo
I suspect a pineapple would grow at 3400 feet. What the quality would be like and how long it would take the crop is open to question. The only way to figure this out is to do it. I would be prepared for using methods that increase heat around the plants. There is agriculture above and below 3400' so where there is a will there is a way,
Aloha. Well it took forever but has started producing a small fruit. Cute. Thinking ground Cherry is a good prolific producer!! Mahalo for you and your videos!! Wago
Great informative video! Just plant it, it will grow. I just harvested broccoli and cauliflower, I'm in Oceanview at 1000ft. Small harvest but I got one.
Cauliflower isn't on my list of crops but I do plant broccoli, Cabbage, Chinese cabbage and Kale at market gardener levels and they do very well at 1600 feet in Puna. Any Cole crop is excellent at 1000 feet and up here in Hawaii. I see good crops of these plants at 4000 feet near Volcano. There are some big plantings in Glenwood at 2000 feet.
I grow mine at 1600 feet in Hawaii and it does well here. I can't tell you for sure about the Caribbean but I would guess it should grow fine. If no one else in you area is growing the orchid all you can do is plant some and find out. We had no idea if it would grow until we tried.
So I have a property in Puerto Rico, at 2,200 feet elevation but temperature min/max is 60F to 85F, do you think I can grow avocados and mangoes under those conditions?
Since I have no clear history on the plant so it could be many things. I am unsure how well the heat loving Muscadine would do in the generally cool Hawaiian climate. The leaves on the plant appear similar to North American grapes like Concord and like Concord the plant is mildew resistant. The berries are less purple and more reddish and the smell lacks the "foxy" quality of both NE & SE American grapes. It is very neutral. It is possibly a wine grape from the Azores brought here by the Portuguese. As you suggest it could also be a type of muscadine. I am not very familiar with them. Is the lack of aroma typical? The history isn't as important as the fact that the plant seems to grow both up and down the mountains here. Aloha
We also have a grape vine from Hilo. Went through an adjustment at 2200 ft. But now it is thriving. Just got around to building a trellis for it, so no fruit as of yet.
@@FrankieGreen777 Ours fruits here at 1600 feet but the birds love it way too much. I don't need the aggravation so i grow the vine as nursery mother stock rather than fruit.
Hi mr I’m. A local guy from Kaneohe Oahu and I live rite at the foot of the mountain and I have growing very beautifully peach and nectarine trees I have 12 different Japanese maples and kwanzen cherry blossom trees that give the most beautiful flowers like the peach and nectarines I always was interested in growing low chill trees here in Hawaii ever since I came back from Japan I was so inspired by the landscape there I wanted to Plant the same trees here thanks for making this video because I want to move to the big island sometime in the future but I live hi elevation places so I really have to pay volcano a visit aloha and thanks again
If you like cool elevation in Hawaii Volcano is a great place. It is one of the highest elevation towns on the Island at 4000 feet. Being at the door way to Volcanoes National Park also gives the area a good economy. Provided the volcano cooperates.
Bil Quote of the Day "On the wet side its a little wetter". Love your channel! Wife asked me to ask you where your property is by? Like Mountain View or?
Boy, I usually do better than that. Never noticed the slip. Yes, Mt. View is the location. 1680 foot elevation on volcanic ash soil with a killer view.
@@anthonywike8042 Come down from the Mountain, The North Pole or the Space Station? It's all fine as long as shots are up to date. I have had it with the anti vax BS and the jab will be require to enter the property. The vaccines are beginning to weaken and I'm not getting any younger. Aloha
People can miss just about anything I suppose. I have a tendency to release my past and focus on the present condition so the idea doesn't come to mind much. The three temperate fruits that I miss the most are apples, cherries and raspberries. I had a collection of 50 apple varieties in CA. Here I only have two low chill types and they only crop on occasion. Cherries were on the edge in Fremont CA but I did manage crops until the cherry piercer fly got to town. In Hawaii they are so far out of the climate that they are impossible. I end up buying west coast apples at the health food store if I want one. Lucky for me citrus does fine here, bananas even better and pineapples almost make up for the lack of apples.
They received my Ein Shemer apple February 2018. I requested it a few years back. Feb. 2019 I got a Fuyu Imoto Persimmon from them. I will take my chances this year and just shop what ever they bring in. Their choices are as good as it gets for this Island. You will have to give them a call and see what they are up to for 2020. Paradise Plants (808) 935-4043
Bill, what area of Puna do you live in? It sounds like that there are a number of advantages to living in your elevation - especially comfort and growing things. What do you think is the good, bad, and ugly of living in your area and elevation. I'm trying to consider where to retire and appreciate anything you'd like to share. Perhaps that's another video. Lol
I was born in Chicago and lived in Wisconsin for 15 years, freezing and sweating through the whole experience. I lived in Arizona and loved the desert but found summer way too hot. I always dreamed of living in the tropics at elevation where the weather is like year round spring. I sort of forgot about that dream until I lived in Puna for a few years and realized I had actually found the spot. Everyone has their needs. Most of my friends can not understand why I don't live on the beach. I tell them I'm not on vacation, I'm retired. Before purchasing here we stayed in most of the climates this Island had to offer. We decided above 1500 feet was the best temperature range. The rainfall was better for nursery on the east side and the land wasn't as steep. We live at 1600 feet. The line between Hawaii zone one and zone two is at 2000 feet. It is cooler and wetter above that line. Because we are at the edge i can grow a wider variety of plants.
@@GreenGardenGuy1 Thanks Bill. That sounds perfect! And you can visit the beach if you want. It also means little or no cooling costs. Sounds like you found the perfect bowl of porridge. 😊
@@johnatyoutube A sweat shirt or an extra blanket is all we need for winter nights. Sitting in the shade of the Lanai with the trade wind takes care of August just fine. The only reason to insulate here is so the Coqui frogs can't be heard through the walls.
Where is the best place to get my plant starts? I'm interested in Fuyo Persimmons, peaches, bananas, blue berries and your white pinapples. My elevation is 2800 feet. Let me know when you have some white pinapple plant starts available. Thanks.
Fuyu persimmons are only propagated in CA. No one on the Island does this. Paradise Plants in Hilo orders a few every year from Dave Wilson in CA. They usually arrive in January. You must have your name on one so talk to them. Peaches are the same story. They get a load from CA in January. Very limited supply, reserve and pick up same day they call. Blueberries are pretty easy to find at all the nurseries in Hilo. I propagate Jubilee only. Banana has been hard to find since bunchy top got here. Be careful who you get them from, they can be diseased. I have clean Apple and Williams. At your elevation Apple is the only one I would bother with. The others need it warmer. Yes, I still have white pineapple slips.
Wow! What a great video to find. I am looking right now and I really want to grow the majority of my food. Hopefully I will have a place in a couple of months. I was just there a couple of weeks ago staying with a friend in Volcano it was nice cool but cozy with the fire place. Coming from Oahu it was nice to feel that coolness but I do want to grow tropical fruits so I'm a little conflicted. I will definitely be subscribing and diving into your channel. Mahalo for the information!
Once you rise above 500 feet on this Island the number of tropical fruits that grow drop off quickly. There are plenty of fruits that will grow in Volcano but most would be temperate to subtropical. Grapes are successful for the Volcano winery. I see one of my favorite Volcano restaurants has a fruiting avocado in the landscape. It's a great climate for cabbage, broccoli and onions.
Hazel nuts and Pecans have specific weather requirements that would be almost impossible to match here. It is possible that English Walnut might fruit above 5000 feet here but I have never seen one. Juglans neotropica, the Columbian walnut is worth a try. It has a lower chill requirement than most. In Hawaii the Macadamia nut will be about the best choice we have for nuts. The Beaumont cultivar is hardy and will grow up to over 5000 feet.
Hi Bill. Speaking of chill hours for Cherimoya, I'm in Seattle area and have a few seedlings in pots. I'm wondering how long they should stay outdoors to chill before I move them into the greenhouse for the winter. Greenhouse is heated and generally stays above 50 all year, except for extreme cold weather which might take it down as low as 45 at night.
Because you live where it gets too cold for Cherimoya the trees will need to come inside before 32 degrees is reached. So sometime in the fall but before the tomatoes die.
Hey I know this is unrelated, but do you have any advice or tips and propigating citrus by seed? I have a very old lemon tree and just got access to sour orange and trifold ate orange rootstock seeds. But I've NEVER been able to sprout a citrus seed. Let me know if you have any advice! I saw at one point in your grafting videos you had some seedlings.
In most cases citrus seeds are easy enough to germinate. If you are having trouble I will guess that you or some one else is drying the seeds before planting. Citrus seeds grow easily if freshly removed from the fruit. If dried even for a short time they usually respond by dying. Either acquire fresh seeds from some one who knows to wrap them in moss for delivery or extract fresh seeds from fruit yourself and plant the same day. My best guess, Aloha
Because we have a million things going on we have left seed in its pulp to keep it moist before planting, sometimes a couple of days go bye before we plant. It seems that even a slight fermentation of the fruit will also lead to poor germination if any germination. I left a apple core on the table under canopy for eight hours on a hot day, and planted that evening and not one seed popped. We use the apple seeds for root stock.
@@FrankieGreen777 I will make a guess that your apple seeds didn't sprout because they had not been stratified. Most temperate fruit seeds benefit from cold treatment. Many will not germinate at all unless you simulate winter. Pawpaws, Walnuts, Pecans, acorns and many others need cold chilling in the wet state to germinate. Sorry to disagree here but my experience about fruit pulp fermentation is it speeds germination rather than hinders it. Asking the natural question here usually provides good answers. If fruit seed is surrounded by nature with a pulp that ferments then how could fermentation negatively effect seed? My experience is reversed seeds planted with pulp germinate better than clean seeds. At the very least, it should not hinder germination.
@@GreenGardenGuy1 That certainly could be the case, we did not simulate a cold environment with those seeds. You are also right about the pulp, we have also found the germination to be higher when planted with pulp. Thanks for da disagreement. :) We will have to pay more attention to simulating a winter.
@@FrankieGreen777 Tropical and subtropical plant seeds don't need the winter as well as most temperate annuals and biennials. The stratification starts to become an issue with planting seeds for temperate wood perennials. Tropical seeds are more likely to want scarification and hot water treatments. There is pretty good data out there on the common plants. It's the rare ones where you may be on your own to figure things out.
I've not tried but I believe the right varieties will produce good fruit up to 4000 feet. We don't see oranges planted at that elevation because the general belief is they won't grow there. I've been told my orange trees are too high up the mountain to fruit. You and I know better.
No I have not. I haven't heard anything about them being here in HI. Truth be told, the last time I enjoyed raising pomegranate was when I lived in Arizona. They are naturally an arid climate plant and do well there. In California Bay area I tried several types and the fruit always began to ripen as the fall rains set in. Much of the fruit would crack and mold before perfect ripening. I gave up on them because it was a real pain to eat anyway. Crushing it with a juicer is about the only way to get past all the rag, skin and seeds. Mixing the juice with vodka became a bad habit so I stopped growing them after moving to HI.
@@GreenGardenGuy1 Southeast Asian selections seem to be prone to fruit splitting and disease resistant in humid climate. At least they grow and produce well in SoFL. Poms are easy to process - it takes couple of minutes. - here is a one of techniques - ua-cam.com/video/HGYpk395PUA/v-deo.html Maybe one day we can see poms featured on Bill's medicine show. ;)
For people that love them they are important. I gave them a fair chance and concluded the only really good ones I ever grew where in the desert. In Arizona the fruit quality was so good it was worth the effort of extracting the arils. Here in Hawaii bananas, papayas and pineapples are better suited to our climate. They are all good too.
What you plant depends on what you like to eat. There is no point in planting things that you do not care for. Start by making a list of favorite foods. Then match that to what grows in your area. Much of what I grow was never grown here before. Experience and experimentation is the best advice. Conditions vary widely in HI and so do the adapted crops. As an example banana does well if you have soil and rainfall. The refuse to fruit on lava or under dry conditions. Look around the area and see what appears to grow in the area. That is as good a guide as any. I like bananas, papayas, avocadoes, citrus and Jaboticaba so I plant lots of them at 1680'. 2100' feet would be cooler and wetter if it was in Puna but in Kau it tends to be sunny and dry.
Great video, thank you!
You are welcome. So many different climate zones on this island. Most things are possible someplace or another. Aloha
We're building a new home in Volcano Golf Course Estates. I would very much like to come and see you as we get closer to completion (around November '24) to get your input on planting.😀😀😀
I should be around.
Many years later i have not good understanding of chill in my area. 3700 ft in maui sounds like Volcano. We dip in the 40s constantly and yet im a zone 11. We will also get clouds that reminds me of SF. Artichokes do well here . There are wild peaches , plums and cherries and olives. Even in california they are finding that even high chill hours varieties are fruiting very well.
The climate does sound similar to Volcano but it must be drier. I grew chokes in CA put in Puna at 120" of rain they just rot and die slowly. USDA zone 11 covers a lot of very different climates. The Sunset Maps of Hawaii are a little better. I grew high, and low chill apples in California. The low chill types (250 hours) always fruited. The medium chill (450) like Fuji did very well. Anything higher than 500 hours ,in the SF Bay area, usually failed unless we frosted the lime trees.
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So inspiring to hear others with the same optimism that we have. So much miss information has been passed down through the years. Time to clear the waters and find the truth.
Being optimistic is just one of my old habits that's hard to kill. Call me lazy because it takes a lot less muscles to smile than it does to frown. From here the waters only clear for a spell if you let the pond settle. Constant human activity tends to keep the waters muddy most of the time. Lack of clarity is a normal human condition. Clarity is often an illusion but enjoy it when it happens. You never know when it might actually be a real insight! Keep up the good work, our local culture can use all the good food and positive thinking we can provide. Do no harm and likely life will support your efforts. Bill
@@GreenGardenGuy1 Well said... I would rather have optimism driving a reality, then the alternative. Went that alternative route for to many years.
Heck Ed the comments and watched video… We are over in Volcano… 3,400 ft… think pineapples would grow.. ? What about a cash crop for travel and barter? Mahalo
I suspect a pineapple would grow at 3400 feet. What the quality would be like and how long it would take the crop is open to question. The only way to figure this out is to do it. I would be prepared for using methods that increase heat around the plants. There is agriculture above and below 3400' so where there is a will there is a way,
Aloha. Well it took forever but has started producing a small fruit. Cute.
Thinking ground Cherry is a good prolific producer!!
Mahalo for you and your videos!! Wago
Great informative video! Just plant it, it will grow. I just harvested broccoli and cauliflower, I'm in Oceanview at 1000ft. Small harvest but I got one.
Cauliflower isn't on my list of crops but I do plant broccoli, Cabbage, Chinese cabbage and Kale at market gardener levels and they do very well at 1600 feet in Puna. Any Cole crop is excellent at 1000 feet and up here in Hawaii. I see good crops of these plants at 4000 feet near Volcano. There are some big plantings in Glenwood at 2000 feet.
Hellos sir can you tell me if vanilla planifolia grow at an altitud of 1500 ft over sea level in the mountains in the carebean island tropical clima.
I grow mine at 1600 feet in Hawaii and it does well here. I can't tell you for sure about the Caribbean but I would guess it should grow fine. If no one else in you area is growing the orchid all you can do is plant some and find out. We had no idea if it would grow until we tried.
@@GreenGardenGuy1 thank you sir for replying
So I have a property in Puerto Rico, at 2,200 feet elevation but temperature min/max is 60F to 85F, do you think I can grow avocados and mangoes under those conditions?
The temperature range is perfect. As long as the rainfall patterns are conducive you should do fine. Mangoes do not like rain in the flowering season.
The grape you got from hilo maybe a muscadine, cause they can take heat and high rainfall cause they are native to the SE US
Since I have no clear history on the plant so it could be many things. I am unsure how well the heat loving Muscadine would do in the generally cool Hawaiian climate. The leaves on the plant appear similar to North American grapes like Concord and like Concord the plant is mildew resistant. The berries are less purple and more reddish and the smell lacks the "foxy" quality of both NE & SE American grapes. It is very neutral. It is possibly a wine grape from the Azores brought here by the Portuguese. As you suggest it could also be a type of muscadine. I am not very familiar with them. Is the lack of aroma typical? The history isn't as important as the fact that the plant seems to grow both up and down the mountains here. Aloha
We also have a grape vine from Hilo. Went through an adjustment at 2200 ft. But now it is thriving. Just got around to building a trellis for it, so no fruit as of yet.
@@FrankieGreen777 Ours fruits here at 1600 feet but the birds love it way too much. I don't need the aggravation so i grow the vine as nursery mother stock rather than fruit.
Hi mr I’m. A local guy from Kaneohe Oahu and I live rite at the foot of the mountain and I have growing very beautifully peach and nectarine trees I have 12 different Japanese maples and kwanzen cherry blossom trees that give the most beautiful flowers like the peach and nectarines I always was interested in growing low chill trees here in Hawaii ever since I came back from
Japan I was so inspired by the landscape there I wanted to
Plant the same trees here thanks for making this video because I want to move to the big island sometime in the future but I live hi elevation places so I really have to pay volcano a visit aloha and thanks again
If you like cool elevation in Hawaii Volcano is a great place. It is one of the highest elevation towns on the Island at 4000 feet. Being at the door way to Volcanoes National Park also gives the area a good economy. Provided the volcano cooperates.
Wow, you are inspiring! At lest I know you can grow those stone fruits on Oahu!
Bil Quote of the Day "On the wet side its a little wetter".
Love your channel! Wife asked me to ask you where your property is by? Like Mountain View or?
Boy, I usually do better than that. Never noticed the slip. Yes, Mt. View is the location. 1680 foot elevation on volcanic ash soil with a killer view.
@@GreenGardenGuy1 the wife and I wanna visit you when we come down!
@@anthonywike8042 Come down from the Mountain, The North Pole or the Space Station? It's all fine as long as shots are up to date. I have had it with the anti vax BS and the jab will be require to enter the property. The vaccines are beginning to weaken and I'm not getting any younger. Aloha
@@GreenGardenGuy1 yes sir, i will stay away :)
@@anthonywike8042 Thank you for your consideration. Be careful, this virus will continue spreading and mutating.
Great Material!
Thank you.
Do you miss growing temperate fruit.
People can miss just about anything I suppose. I have a tendency to release my past and focus on the present condition so the idea doesn't come to mind much. The three temperate fruits that I miss the most are apples, cherries and raspberries. I had a collection of 50 apple varieties in CA. Here I only have two low chill types and they only crop on occasion. Cherries were on the edge in Fremont CA but I did manage crops until the cherry piercer fly got to town. In Hawaii they are so far out of the climate that they are impossible. I end up buying west coast apples at the health food store if I want one. Lucky for me citrus does fine here, bananas even better and pineapples almost make up for the lack of apples.
Do you know when paradise plants will receive the ein shemer apple trees you requested? Thanks
They received my Ein Shemer apple February 2018. I requested it a few years back. Feb. 2019 I got a Fuyu Imoto Persimmon from them. I will take my chances this year and just shop what ever they bring in. Their choices are as good as it gets for this Island. You will have to give them a call and see what they are up to for 2020. Paradise Plants (808) 935-4043
Bill, what area of Puna do you live in? It sounds like that there are a number of advantages to living in your elevation - especially comfort and growing things. What do you think is the good, bad, and ugly of living in your area and elevation. I'm trying to consider where to retire and appreciate anything you'd like to share. Perhaps that's another video. Lol
I was born in Chicago and lived in Wisconsin for 15 years, freezing and sweating through the whole experience. I lived in Arizona and loved the desert but found summer way too hot. I always dreamed of living in the tropics at elevation where the weather is like year round spring. I sort of forgot about that dream until I lived in Puna for a few years and realized I had actually found the spot. Everyone has their needs. Most of my friends can not understand why I don't live on the beach. I tell them I'm not on vacation, I'm retired. Before purchasing here we stayed in most of the climates this Island had to offer. We decided above 1500 feet was the best temperature range. The rainfall was better for nursery on the east side and the land wasn't as steep. We live at 1600 feet. The line between Hawaii zone one and zone two is at 2000 feet. It is cooler and wetter above that line. Because we are at the edge i can grow a wider variety of plants.
@@GreenGardenGuy1 Thanks Bill. That sounds perfect! And you can visit the beach if you want. It also means little or no cooling costs. Sounds like you found the perfect bowl of porridge. 😊
@@johnatyoutube A sweat shirt or an extra blanket is all we need for winter nights. Sitting in the shade of the Lanai with the trade wind takes care of August just fine. The only reason to insulate here is so the Coqui frogs can't be heard through the walls.
Where is the best place to get my plant starts? I'm interested in Fuyo Persimmons, peaches, bananas, blue berries and your white pinapples. My elevation is 2800 feet. Let me know when you have some white pinapple plant starts available. Thanks.
Fuyu persimmons are only propagated in CA. No one on the Island does this. Paradise Plants in Hilo orders a few every year from Dave Wilson in CA. They usually arrive in January. You must have your name on one so talk to them. Peaches are the same story. They get a load from CA in January. Very limited supply, reserve and pick up same day they call. Blueberries are pretty easy to find at all the nurseries in Hilo. I propagate Jubilee only. Banana has been hard to find since bunchy top got here. Be careful who you get them from, they can be diseased. I have clean Apple and Williams. At your elevation Apple is the only one I would bother with. The others need it warmer. Yes, I still have white pineapple slips.
Talking about jabouticaba, I live in Chapala, México, and they fruit here at 5000 ft up.
I've seen them fruit at sea level in San Francisco Bay California area. Cold between high elevation Mexico and sea level CA are likely similar.
Can you grow avocados and mangoes at that altitude?
Wow! What a great video to find. I am looking right now and I really want to grow the majority of my food. Hopefully I will have a place in a couple of months. I was just there a couple of weeks ago staying with a friend in Volcano it was nice cool but cozy with the fire place. Coming from Oahu it was nice to feel that coolness but I do want to grow tropical fruits so I'm a little conflicted. I will definitely be subscribing and diving into your channel. Mahalo for the information!
Once you rise above 500 feet on this Island the number of tropical fruits that grow drop off quickly. There are plenty of fruits that will grow in Volcano but most would be temperate to subtropical. Grapes are successful for the Volcano winery. I see one of my favorite Volcano restaurants has a fruiting avocado in the landscape. It's a great climate for cabbage, broccoli and onions.
great information, as you talk about trees bearing fruit do ya'll have nut bearing trees as in walnuts-pecans -hazelnut-ext
Hazel nuts and Pecans have specific weather requirements that would be almost impossible to match here. It is possible that English Walnut might fruit above 5000 feet here but I have never seen one. Juglans neotropica, the Columbian walnut is worth a try. It has a lower chill requirement than most. In Hawaii the Macadamia nut will be about the best choice we have for nuts. The Beaumont cultivar is hardy and will grow up to over 5000 feet.
Hi Bill. Speaking of chill hours for Cherimoya, I'm in Seattle area and have a few seedlings in pots. I'm wondering how long they should stay outdoors to chill before I move them into the greenhouse for the winter. Greenhouse is heated and generally stays above 50 all year, except for extreme cold weather which might take it down as low as 45 at night.
Because you live where it gets too cold for Cherimoya the trees will need to come inside before 32 degrees is reached. So sometime in the fall but before the tomatoes die.
Hey I know this is unrelated, but do you have any advice or tips and propigating citrus by seed? I have a very old lemon tree and just got access to sour orange and trifold ate orange rootstock seeds. But I've NEVER been able to sprout a citrus seed. Let me know if you have any advice! I saw at one point in your grafting videos you had some seedlings.
In most cases citrus seeds are easy enough to germinate. If you are having trouble I will guess that you or some one else is drying the seeds before planting. Citrus seeds grow easily if freshly removed from the fruit. If dried even for a short time they usually respond by dying. Either acquire fresh seeds from some one who knows to wrap them in moss for delivery or extract fresh seeds from fruit yourself and plant the same day. My best guess, Aloha
Because we have a million things going on we have left seed in its pulp to keep it moist before planting, sometimes a couple of days go bye before we plant. It seems that even a slight fermentation of the fruit will also lead to poor germination if any germination.
I left a apple core on the table under canopy for eight hours on a hot day, and planted that evening and not one seed popped. We use the apple seeds for root stock.
@@FrankieGreen777 I will make a guess that your apple seeds didn't sprout because they had not been stratified. Most temperate fruit seeds benefit from cold treatment. Many will not germinate at all unless you simulate winter. Pawpaws, Walnuts, Pecans, acorns and many others need cold chilling in the wet state to germinate.
Sorry to disagree here but my experience about fruit pulp fermentation is it speeds germination rather than hinders it. Asking the natural question here usually provides good answers. If fruit seed is surrounded by nature with a pulp that ferments then how could fermentation negatively effect seed? My experience is reversed seeds planted with pulp germinate better than clean seeds. At the very least, it should not hinder germination.
@@GreenGardenGuy1 That certainly could be the case, we did not simulate a cold environment with those seeds. You are also right about the pulp, we have also found the germination to be higher when planted with pulp. Thanks for da disagreement. :)
We will have to pay more attention to simulating a winter.
@@FrankieGreen777 Tropical and subtropical plant seeds don't need the winter as well as most temperate annuals and biennials. The stratification starts to become an issue with planting seeds for temperate wood perennials. Tropical seeds are more likely to want scarification and hot water treatments. There is pretty good data out there on the common plants. It's the rare ones where you may be on your own to figure things out.
Very informative Bill. You do grow a VERY delicious orange up there. 😃🌈🤙
I've not tried but I believe the right varieties will produce good fruit up to 4000 feet. We don't see oranges planted at that elevation because the general belief is they won't grow there. I've been told my orange trees are too high up the mountain to fruit. You and I know better.
Have you tried Vietnamese selections of pomegranate? They seem to be doing well in SoFL and fruit doesnt split from rainfall and everbearing.
No I have not. I haven't heard anything about them being here in HI. Truth be told, the last time I enjoyed raising pomegranate was when I lived in Arizona. They are naturally an arid climate plant and do well there. In California Bay area I tried several types and the fruit always began to ripen as the fall rains set in. Much of the fruit would crack and mold before perfect ripening. I gave up on them because it was a real pain to eat anyway. Crushing it with a juicer is about the only way to get past all the rag, skin and seeds. Mixing the juice with vodka became a bad habit so I stopped growing them after moving to HI.
@@GreenGardenGuy1 Southeast Asian selections seem to be prone to fruit splitting and disease resistant in humid climate. At least they grow and produce well in SoFL.
Poms are easy to process - it takes couple of minutes. - here is a one of techniques - ua-cam.com/video/HGYpk395PUA/v-deo.html
Maybe one day we can see poms featured on Bill's medicine show. ;)
For people that love them they are important. I gave them a fair chance and concluded the only really good ones I ever grew where in the desert. In Arizona the fruit quality was so good it was worth the effort of extracting the arils. Here in Hawaii bananas, papayas and pineapples are better suited to our climate. They are all good too.
I am in Ocean View about 2100ft Could you recommend some edible trees that you think would do well here?
What you plant depends on what you like to eat. There is no point in planting things that you do not care for. Start by making a list of favorite foods. Then match that to what grows in your area. Much of what I grow was never grown here before. Experience and experimentation is the best advice. Conditions vary widely in HI and so do the adapted crops. As an example banana does well if you have soil and rainfall. The refuse to fruit on lava or under dry conditions. Look around the area and see what appears to grow in the area. That is as good a guide as any. I like bananas, papayas, avocadoes, citrus and Jaboticaba so I plant lots of them at 1680'. 2100' feet would be cooler and wetter if it was in Puna but in Kau it tends to be sunny and dry.