I bought a brand new Vmax in 1985 the first year they were made and the best looking year I might add. Paid $5K for it. Then I bought a new 1993 Harley-Davidson Softail Custom and a friend talked me into selling the Vmax to him wish I would have kept it, he sold it later on. I still have the Softail and I bought a new 2016 Harley-Davidson Limited. I wished that Vmax would have had forward controls and a longer swing arm and a chain for the final drive. It was bad ass!
Exactly what I was thinking... Boy that vmax is pretty special. When I decide to go from sport bikes to cruisers this vmax will make the transition easy.
@@GTARockman ive always rode sport bikes too..But you have to admit cruisers are way more comfortable..Im not even 40 yet and after doing a long ride on a cruiser I'm thinking about buying one. Its so much more comfortable..
Rode off on my 2020 Tuesday from Orlando the N.W.Ar. over 1,300 miles now on it and did the 1st service at 400 miles. I love it when it comes to needing to pass. Fuel mileage sucks lol but with 200 hp it’s totally worth it. Take care I hope you and yours well.
Honestly the output for a stock V-Max is over 200 horsepower! Not sure about the Ducati but the V-Max Has always been a beast on the streets! I want 1... Of each!
Well a good 1985 vmax had 145 hp did the quater mile in 10.80. This vmax has 190 hp, and stock seen them in the 9's. Weight has nothing to do with it. Power to weight ratio does. The Duc is simply under powered. In that race the Duc got off the line good. The vmax layed rubber out of the hole and still won. People can say what they want about the vmax, but from its inception its always been a straight line BEAST.
Jeffrey Baker The internet may agree, however, there is definitely a production motorcycle faster than 2.8 in a 0 to 60. I'm also not sure about the 50 to 75. Boss Hoss may have something to say about that.
Nope, the official record for stock bikes is held by a 2006 GSX-R1000 at 2.35sec. The VMAX 1700 is third fastest at 2.5sec. 400m (1/4 mile) is 10.1sec for the VMAX.
Have a 2010 Vmax,one awesome bike have had no one able to run with me! By the way I have been riding since I was 14 and I'am now 62 have had many bikes over the years and have to say the Vmax is one of the very best!!
@vtajoe1 This is not a promo video of Yamaha, Super Wheels is a indipendent magazine of Motociclismo's group, the most important italian magazine. The best performance of our professional testers are (ET in 1/4 mile): Diavel 10"729 (211,0 km/h), V Max 10"521 ( 213,6 km/h). In the video the times are: Diavel 11"081 (211,0 km/h), V Max 10"996 ( 212,1 km/h). Same result.
No way the 700lb Yammie could stay with the Ducati in the twisties though. Took an hour long test ride on the Diavel and the handling is incredible. Handles almost as good as any street fighter on the market. Except for maybe the Aprilla Tuono V4. Just my opinion.
AMS Ducati Dallas raced a stock Diavel with the addition of a full Termignoni exhaust and ran a 9.980 at the Texas Motorplex during the month of June 2012.
Honestly, comparing that launch of the Vmax to the others in the warm ups, it was by far the worst. The Vmax spun quite a bit making it a closer race then it should have been. I do like the Ducati, they're both awesome bikes by any standard!
Diavel is classified as a power cruiser. It is used as a touring bike when you get the touring gear. It is a renegade touring cruiser according to Ducati.
The Diavel is bad ass but the newest version of the vmax! For a stock bike that is one scary monster! I was lucky enough to ride a buds of mine..the torque and pull is insane!
Per di più, rilevamenti alla mano, hanno anche prestazioni simili, per non dire identiche. Quel giorno abbiamo fatto una 50na di lanci, una volta vinceva la Vmax, una volta la Diavel. Sono molto diverse, ma sui 400 m il risultato non è scontato. Sì, sono molto diverse, ma sono anche le uniche in questo segmento, assieme alla VRod (ma più lenta sui 400). Sul misto, ovviamente, la Diavel batte la Vmax alla grande, pesa 100 kg in meno e la ciclistica, gommomne compreso, è quasi da naked.
@antimatterion they riders switched bikes in the actual test ofc ;) there is a new CDI for vmax letting it go over 145-150, with another exhaust= 160mph
The Yamaha spun tire for a LOOOONG time. If he had a good lock up I'm sure it would be a larger margin. Also, the Ducati twins arn't suped up Harely evo motors! they produce a lot of power.
Speedytrip these dudes sucked the vmax 1700 is capable of hitting 9s and smoked the tire a 1/4 of the way through the race it would have done a much better time with a better rider
you could. not legally, but you could. I would at least once. and this guy proves my point. people who like Ducati's like them for the looks and sound.
It has been proven that the Ducati Diavel has better handling than the Yamaha VMAX. so with better handling a little less horsepower is nothing. The quarter mile time is very minimal. just a tiny bit less horsepower can be made up with better cornering skills. the Diablo has awesome handling for a 532 pound sport cruiser it also gets better gas mileage. All this for a whopping $2,985 less than the Vmax. It also has more comfortable eurgos and 3 electronic drive modes. meaning you can slow down and cruise Main Street to give everybody a better look. Also it sounds meaner. It has been rated the all around better machine. yes the Vmax is more powerful but its like driving a submarine through the turns. I'll take the Ducati. that's why I Drive Ducatis. I've had dozens of Japanese built bikes and I love them also. the other guys may have a little bit more horse power. which they have a ( little) bit more horsepower. Ducatis have the best handling on the market. Which is why they have the most World Superbike champion ships out of everybody combined. they make an amazing toy
Love the fact the vmax was spinning for half the drag, bit more of a controlled pull away it would of done the Diavel by more, that said the Diavel is a beautiful piece of kit!
Wow, some people don't understand drag racing. yes, it appears the other rider is ahead, but that doesn't mean he had a better Elapsed Time or MPH> the clock starts independently for both riders once they break the beam. Theorotically, one could sit at the starting line with the tree green for 10 seconds while the other guy has already crossed the finish line, launch and run a better Elapsed time and Mph, h'ed have a sucky reaction time of ten seconds though!
The Vmax is a four cylinder, the Diavel is a twin. I don't think the Diavel did that bad considering. If it were a V4 Ducati motor.. The Vmax would be left behind in a drag race like the Yamaha Moto Gp bikes get routinely left behind on the straights to the Desmosedici in Moto gp! I love the Vmax had a Gen 1. I rode the Gen2 but ultimately went with the Diavel cause it handles considerably better. I don't just like straights, I like corners too.
Alberto Jr. Carreon I had a a Gen 1 myself. I liked it for the most part..... but I've seen the promise land... check out www.taylor-made.uk. I be seen some awesomebcustom bikes and parts.. this will blow your mind about VMax's Potential
@vtajoe1 Your logic would only apply if the camera position was equally spaced between both bikes and high enough off the ground to have a clear view of the road. As it is, the camera is closer to the V-Max, making the Ducati looks as if it's further down the track than the Yamaha and the racing surface is not perfectly flat so parts of it are obscured from view.
Austin S you left out electronic traction/launch control, traction, and weight. A Bnsf locomotive puts out 4000 hp... it wouldn't win this race and it has a lot more HP and CC's...
@vtajoe1 Wow, some people don't understand drag racing. Yes, it appears the ducati rider is ahead, but that doesn't mean he had a better Elapsed Time or MPH> The clock starts independently for both riders once they break the beam. Theorotically, one could sit at the starting line with the tree green for 10 seconds while the other guy has already crossed the finish line, then launch and run a better Elapsed time and Mph! He'd has a sucky reaction time of ten seconds, but still be faster!
Both bikes are brutally fast and so close it just comes downthe to personnel taste. I just purchased a 2012 Ninja 1000. The dealership offered me a 2012 ZX10R at same price but I don't need that much power. I've had bikes over the years that would do 150 mph plus but around 120 my brain rev limiter kicks in.
@camcoop25 Maybe from your point of view he's hardly smoking him, but the V Max's take off was a dog's breakfast, and it beat the Ducati anyways. If you want to talk racetrack, I'll put my TZ250 against that Ducati anyday! Long live Yamaha
@rturn2mow Ok. The story is this video is born like entertainment for us and our facebook friends, not like a scientific test. But because of the title (Vmax vs Diavel) it gets a lot of views, becoming more important it is. I understand your comments, and I am going to valuate for my next official videos. Thanks for your post.
Im thinking there was a timing gate for each bike so it really don't matter exactly when you take of at the light your time starts when you leave the light not when the light turns green. That leaves it all down to power, grip, and not to reaction times on the green light.
@@hebeb394 They are both close to 20 grand and i'd bet the potential buyer of either bases the decision on a number of factors like weight, handling,hp , service costs and brand cache as much or more than they agonize over a $1,200 price difference on what certainly is a $20,000 bike after tax and reg.
@Blueyed2112 If you pause it at around 1:29 it sure "appears" as if the Ducati is well ahead of the Yamaha. And I agree, both bikes are capable of better times, should be in the mid to low 10's
considering that both bike has significant engine displacement difference , i believe the Diavel had performed very well in this match....i'm guessing that the Diavel has more low end torque then Vmax due to V2 engine configuration, also the Diavel will reach it's peak power and torque in much lower rpm then the Vmax...162hp/9500rpm, 127Nm/8000rpm, couldn't find any data for the Vmax though
I wondered why the new Vmax didn't post a better 1/4 mile time. I found out that the computer doesn't allow full power until the bike is moving past 30mph and then slowly turns up the power.. A quick re flash & Max will post 10 sec 1/4 mile times. With the forks compressed, the bike will easily go into the high 9's. My spotless '93 runs 9.80's with a 225 lb rider with a skinny 150mm bias ply rear tire and surprisingly few mods.
it depends on the bike, but most of the bigger 4s have a good midrange and great high range. but a lot of that depends on the configuration and tuning. but you can always down shift. so it just depends on how you drive it. like I have said several times. I have nothing against 2cyl and own a couple and have ridden lots more, I just prefer 4cyl. for sound, efficiency, power lay out, ease of repair for i4. not v4. I hate working on my v4. I guess it just depends on what your definition of beter is
If I’m into going straight, vmax. If I like my turns and hooligan runs, diavel all day. I’ll give up an entire second just to have the handling of the diavel. End of the day, two sick bikes.
Thing is isn't the Ducati WAY more flickable in the twisties? Plus as mean as the VMAX looks, the Ducati looks better. However, with the proper seat the VMAX is the 2-up machine over the Ducati.
I own a 2020 Ducati Diavel, and a 2020 registered zx10rr winter edition, wonder which would win, the Ninja goes 170kph 1st, 205 2nd the Diavel 160 2nd, about 205 4th, Ninja 300+ kph 6th, imagine Diavel 260kph in 6th, could be fun. Any buyers for the ZX10rr, never raced, 5700 km. only one remaining in NZ. Has been my commuter.
Steven Varley It used to be a 1200. Look up quarter mile times. high 10's or low 11's in 1985! With a pro rider on both bikes, it's probably gonna loose.
Incredible machines. Im going to get myself a new bike come Nov/Dec (a combined birthday/x-mas present to myself) and I was looking at the VMax, but then the Diavel Carbon came out. Damn. In a straight line the Vmax is a monster, but in a straight line and the curves the Diavel is the better machine. Plus, after about 100 miles (70 if you ride it hard) the Max needs to be refueled. I personally think the Vmax is a great looking bike, but the Diavel looks great too.
Doesn't really matter who won, if the posted times are legit .2 of a second isn't gigantic. It could simply be even a gearing issue. I'd say that most likely, they are evenly matched.
your right. "youd end up paying way more for a brand new ducati!!" The 1199 Panigale S, because the base Panigale for 18k doesn't come with the options you want, is 23k. and the Panigale R is $30,000. the Yamaha R1 is 14k. it does not come with those brands, but that is a $16,000 difference. I could buy 2 brand new R1s for that much. so yea I think id be able to muster up some name brands with all that saved cash. although I doubt the difference in performance would even be noticeable.
racing a diavel on a track is silly too. if i ever bought either of these two bikes it would be for sport touring. i personally like the diavel for its looks. the vmax is ok but i don't like the proportions. it looks like they were trying too hard to give it the muscular look whereas the ducati looks naturally beefy. some people don't agree with me and that's fine.
Hard to believe the bikes are that identical in quarter mile times but that's just one run with one set of riders, right? The Diavel is probably more of an all 'round performer than the quicker VMax maybe? Both bikes are kind of hard on the eyes IMO. Just kind of clumsy-looking compared to a streetfighter or sportbike style but I guess they are not so bad to ride.
Come on now, don't let one ignorant comment lead you into insulting all American bikes. I like both of these bikes preferring the looks/engineering of the Ducati. But if I'm riding on a long trip I'll take a comfortable cruising Harley! Don't let the internet trolls succeed my friend, Cheers!
look up 2016 Vmax Tail of the Dragon - 300+ sharp curves in 13 miles. The Gen 2 can handle the turns just fine. Gas mileage - not so good. I love my bike though.
strip the flash off the V-max and put a stage 3 supercharger in it and see if he can keep the tires on the ground. He couldn't get traction for over a half second when the tree lit green. That's a whole lot of bike and they're super comfortable for 90 mile rides. I've yet to ride a Ducati, but from the looks of them, they'd be a lot like the GSX-R, ZX-11 or FZ1 when it comes to rider positioning. What are they pushing, about 145-150hp out of the Diavel?
Both awesome bikes I thought about buying one of these but I decided as I wanted to keep my licence I bought a Moto Guzzi Griso 1200 SE ...which is also awesome and fast enough for me.
Now, lets take the HP:CC ratio and see what we come up with assuming each bike adjusted CC's to match the other and maintained the same respective efficiency (ratio) in HP production. Vmax: 0.1192 x 1198= 142.8 Diavel: 0.1354 x 1679= 227.3 So assuming ratios remained the same, the Vmax with an engine the size of the Diavel would produce 142.3HP to the Diavel's 162. Inverse, Diavel having Vmax sized engine would produce 227.3HP to the Vmax's 200. So which engine design is better?
Yeah, it doesn’t work that way. The VMAX is extremely detuned. It originally put down over 300hp at the tire during design and early testing. Even the final spec is further detuned, especially in the lower gears and at WOT in the upper gears. The Diavel is tuned much more to its maximum capability, other than adding flash/tune, airbox/filter, and decat with full exhaust for optimization. It’s not even a contest, ideal peak to ideal peak per design. The Yamaha engine design is better, and by far.
This is a little tricky: one should be careful not to twists the throttle too fast, nor too slowly. I think, this sort of test can't indicative of the bikes' respective acceleration. I also believe, the Diavel will be faster and dodgier, as it has a more sport-oriented pedigree / aerodynamics.
If you look...and have good depth perception tou can see that the bike on left (Ducati Diavel) is the winner. Not to mention that the Yamaha V-Max smoked his tire out the gate to the point of almost getting sideways. The lines (paint bars) on the track don't lie. You can see who's winning...Just another V-max promo video gone bad.
Ciò non toglie che, giornalisticamente parlando, la prova sia divertente. Del resto capita di vedere di tutto: auto vs moto; auto o moto vs aereo e cose simili. Ci sta tutto. Magari senza che chi commenta sia trattato per principio da presunto ignorante... Suggerisco prossimamente un confronto tra Vmax e Diavel in pista. Ci direbbe molto di più su queste due bellissime moto. Saluti.
Il vecchio V-Max percorreva il quarto di miglio in 10.4. Aveva circa 20 CV in più della Honda Magna, che era un 1100, e fermò il cronometro a 10.9. No, questo nuovo modello è un'offesa al nome V-Max, anche per l'estetica. Riguardo la Diavel...stendiamo un velo pietoso.
vmax.........kicking ass since 1985!
Vmax can't follow any mopped when the road turn since 1985
I bought a brand new Vmax in 1985 the first year they were made and the best looking year I might add. Paid $5K for it. Then I bought a new 1993 Harley-Davidson Softail Custom and a friend talked me into selling the Vmax to him wish I would have kept it, he sold it later on. I still have the Softail and I bought a new 2016 Harley-Davidson Limited.
I wished that Vmax would have had forward controls and a longer swing arm and a chain for the final drive. It was bad ass!
I have a 2006 and it still kicks butt!!
V-max is a straight liner for sure.
until now. discontinued and even if it wasn't the latest Diavel can cut 9.9's stock. cya antiquated vmax.
Own a 2012 Vmax, it is a masterpiece of engineering. Vmax is a very unique bike. long live Japanese engineering:))
Wow, still won even with the outta whack start. It's powerful as hell for sure.
Exactly what I was thinking... Boy that vmax is pretty special. When I decide to go from sport bikes to cruisers this vmax will make the transition easy.
People say that like this is what everyone is supposed to do. Am I supposed to start riding cruisers now that I am 50? Not me!~
Less money more bike 🏍
Joe D you got that rite.
@@GTARockman ive always rode sport bikes too..But you have to admit cruisers are way more comfortable..Im not even 40 yet and after doing a long ride on a cruiser I'm thinking about buying one. Its so much more comfortable..
Proud owner of a new 2019 V-Max
All Raven Black of course...
Ripcord vids?
How is the handling?
Rode off on my 2020 Tuesday from Orlando the N.W.Ar. over 1,300 miles now on it and did the 1st service at 400 miles. I love it when it comes to needing to pass. Fuel mileage sucks lol but with 200 hp it’s totally worth it. Take care I hope you and yours well.
Honestly the output for a stock V-Max is over 200 horsepower! Not sure about the Ducati but the V-Max Has always been a beast on the streets! I want 1... Of each!
Man ...! The VMax left a black stipe all the way to the end of the 1/4 mile .
LOL! No.
Those bikes were amazing. The acceleration was brutal, talk about an arm straightener. I love those bikes.
Well a good 1985 vmax had 145 hp did the quater mile in 10.80. This vmax has 190 hp, and stock seen them in the 9's. Weight has nothing to do with it. Power to weight ratio does. The Duc is simply under powered. In that race the Duc got off the line good. The vmax layed rubber out of the hole and still won. People can say what they want about the vmax, but from its inception its always been a straight line BEAST.
Just like dad always said
"Theirs no replacement for displacement "
MEANWHILE YOUR MOM SAID, "I PREFER THE LOW DOWN CROTCH GEOMETRY OF THE BIKE."
That's what she said
V-MAX and V-Rod are my all time favorite bikes.
Vmax... any day, anytime, anywhere! 🤙🏽
2009 the vmax was the fastest accelerating bike on earth 0-60mph in 2.8secs.
50mph-75mph 1.09 secs.
Jeffrey Baker The internet may agree, however, there is definitely a production motorcycle faster than 2.8 in a 0 to 60. I'm also not sure about the 50 to 75. Boss Hoss may have something to say about that.
+Ski Bum Boss Hoss didn't make a bike that is anywhere near as quick as either of these bikes. Way too much mass!
Hi John.yes you are right mate.
Jeffrey Baker 0-60 mph 2.5 seconds and has been recorded at 2.1 bone stock. 👍
Nope, the official record for stock bikes is held by a 2006 GSX-R1000 at 2.35sec. The VMAX 1700 is third fastest at 2.5sec. 400m (1/4 mile) is 10.1sec for the VMAX.
V-MAX one of the Best ever Designs
Especially if your stuck in the 90’s bruh
These are the two most badass CruiserNakedTourerSport Bikes on the planet! You Can't lose with either of these babies!!
Have a 2010 Vmax,one awesome bike have had no one able to run with me! By the way I have been riding since I was 14 and I'am now 62 have had many bikes over the years and have to say the Vmax is one of the very best!!
@vtajoe1 This is not a promo video of Yamaha, Super Wheels is a indipendent magazine of Motociclismo's group, the most important italian magazine. The best performance of our professional testers are (ET in 1/4 mile): Diavel 10"729 (211,0 km/h), V Max 10"521 ( 213,6 km/h). In the video the times are: Diavel 11"081 (211,0 km/h), V Max 10"996 ( 212,1 km/h). Same result.
No way the 700lb Yammie could stay with the Ducati in the twisties though. Took an hour long test ride on the Diavel and the handling is incredible. Handles almost as good as any street fighter on the market. Except for maybe the Aprilla Tuono V4. Just my opinion.
AMS Ducati Dallas raced a stock Diavel with the addition of a full Termignoni exhaust and ran a 9.980 at the Texas Motorplex during the month of June 2012.
Honestly, comparing that launch of the Vmax to the others in the warm ups, it was by far the worst. The Vmax spun quite a bit making it a closer race then it should have been. I do like the Ducati, they're both awesome bikes by any standard!
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both great bikes
The Diavel is a sport bike. The V-Max is a sport cruiser. I prefer my Triumph Rocket but that V-Max is one badass bike.
Douglas Lowenthal NO! The Diavel is also a Sport Cruiser/Street bike.
Adam Omidpanah Exactly, It's not a Sport Bike.
+Douglas Lowenthal Yea man i have a 2005 r3. "Be Safe"
Diavel is classified as a power cruiser. It is used as a touring bike when you get the touring gear. It is a renegade touring cruiser according to Ducati.
The Diavel is bad ass but the newest version of the vmax! For a stock bike that is one scary monster! I was lucky enough to ride a buds of mine..the torque and pull is insane!
I did mention styling and lines.
In profile, if you stretched the Duc out longer, they would be close cousins for sure....
both bikes have nice performance but vmax is epic, i love that bike!
The vmax with stock pipes sounds like a scooter. The vmax with aftermarket pipes is the meanest sounding thing on earth!
Per di più, rilevamenti alla mano, hanno anche prestazioni simili, per non dire identiche. Quel giorno abbiamo fatto una 50na di lanci, una volta vinceva la Vmax, una volta la Diavel. Sono molto diverse, ma sui 400 m il risultato non è scontato. Sì, sono molto diverse, ma sono anche le uniche in questo segmento, assieme alla VRod (ma più lenta sui 400). Sul misto, ovviamente, la Diavel batte la Vmax alla grande, pesa 100 kg in meno e la ciclistica, gommomne compreso, è quasi da naked.
I don't consider a V4 against a v-twin a comparable race although the duke sure did very well with two less cylinders....
Turd Ferguson Number of cylinders is irrelevant.
@antimatterion
they riders switched bikes in the actual test ofc ;)
there is a new CDI for vmax letting it go over 145-150, with another exhaust= 160mph
great video !! Vmax 1700 is the beast!!!
@tnkaty
The v-max compares very well to the Diavel in 1/4 mile ET. What else ya got?
What’s the harmonica music please?
The Yamaha spun tire for a LOOOONG time. If he had a good lock up I'm sure it would be a larger margin. Also, the Ducati twins arn't suped up Harely evo motors! they produce a lot of power.
Practically the same performance but the Diavel looks so much better and will probably handle much better too.
+Speedytrip It's not like I'd ride a Diavel and think "god it's too slow." I'd rather have it too. It is sexy as hell.
Speedytrip nothing tops Yamaha reliability.
Not just probably, most definitely since they are known for race track handling and winning.
Speedytrip these dudes sucked the vmax 1700 is capable of hitting 9s and smoked the tire a 1/4 of the way through the race it would have done a much better time with a better rider
you could. not legally, but you could. I would at least once. and this guy proves my point. people who like Ducati's like them for the looks and sound.
It has been proven that the Ducati Diavel has better handling than the Yamaha VMAX. so with better handling a little less horsepower is nothing. The quarter mile time is very minimal. just a tiny bit less horsepower can be made up with better cornering skills. the Diablo has awesome handling for a 532 pound sport cruiser it also gets better gas mileage. All this for a whopping $2,985 less than the Vmax. It also has more comfortable eurgos and 3 electronic drive modes. meaning you can slow down and cruise Main Street to give everybody a better look. Also it sounds meaner. It has been rated the all around better machine. yes the Vmax is more powerful but its like driving a submarine through the turns. I'll take the Ducati. that's why I Drive Ducatis. I've had dozens of Japanese built bikes and I love them also. the other guys may have a little bit more horse power. which they have a ( little) bit more horsepower. Ducatis have the best handling on the market. Which is why they have the most World Superbike champion ships out of everybody combined. they make an amazing toy
yea the only thing that makes one bike better then another is based on which one suits you best personally
V MAX looks sooo much better!!! Real man s bike. Do not like Diavel style at all. Rode one, nice bike, but if i had the money, would love a V MAX !!
Vmax was still quick even though he spun the back wheel!
Love the fact the vmax was spinning for half the drag, bit more of a controlled pull away it would of done the Diavel by more, that said the Diavel is a beautiful piece of kit!
Wow, some people don't understand drag racing. yes, it appears the other rider is ahead, but that doesn't mean he had a better Elapsed Time or MPH> the clock starts independently for both riders once they break the beam. Theorotically, one could sit at the starting line with the tree green for 10 seconds while the other guy has already crossed the finish line, launch and run a better Elapsed time and Mph, h'ed have a sucky reaction time of ten seconds though!
This V-Max is with ECU Race or changed Fuel Map! In Stock configuration V-Max not that fast!
The Vmax is a four cylinder, the Diavel is a twin. I don't think the Diavel did that bad considering. If it were a V4 Ducati motor.. The Vmax would be left behind in a drag race like the Yamaha Moto Gp bikes get routinely left behind on the straights to the Desmosedici in Moto gp! I love the Vmax had a Gen 1. I rode the Gen2 but ultimately went with the Diavel cause it handles considerably better. I don't just like straights, I like corners too.
The Yamaha weights more than 100kg more than the Diavel. The fact that it still beat that thing is testament to how quick it is.
Alberto Jr. Carreon
I had a a Gen 1 myself. I liked it for the most part..... but I've seen the promise land... check out www.taylor-made.uk. I be seen some awesomebcustom bikes and parts.. this will blow your mind about VMax's Potential
@vtajoe1 Your logic would only apply if the camera position was equally spaced between both bikes and high enough off the ground to have a clear view of the road. As it is, the camera is closer to the V-Max, making the Ducati looks as if it's further down the track than the Yamaha and the racing surface is not perfectly flat so parts of it are obscured from view.
You should try expressing your opinion without the vulgar insults.. your opinion will be set aside due to your delivery technique of the message
Approx. 200hp verses 162hp, 502cc more, which bike do you think will win? Come on, it's not rocket science. Both are great bikes.
Austin S you left out electronic traction/launch control, traction, and weight. A Bnsf locomotive puts out 4000 hp... it wouldn't win this race and it has a lot more HP and CC's...
@vtajoe1 Wow, some people don't understand drag racing. Yes, it appears the ducati rider is ahead, but that doesn't mean he had a better Elapsed Time or MPH> The clock starts independently for both riders once they break the beam. Theorotically, one could sit at the starting line with the tree green for 10 seconds while the other guy has already crossed the finish line, then launch and run a better Elapsed time and Mph! He'd has a sucky reaction time of ten seconds, but still be faster!
@s4bones i think you are forgetting that Vmax weighs almost 100 kgs more than Diavel!
Both bikes are brutally fast and so close it just comes downthe to personnel taste. I just purchased a 2012 Ninja 1000. The dealership offered me a 2012 ZX10R at same price but I don't need that much power. I've had bikes over the years that would do 150 mph plus but around 120 my brain rev limiter kicks in.
@camcoop25 Maybe from your point of view he's hardly smoking him, but the V Max's take off was a dog's breakfast, and it beat the Ducati anyways. If you want to talk racetrack, I'll put my TZ250 against that Ducati anyday! Long live Yamaha
@rturn2mow Ok. The story is this video is born like entertainment for us and our facebook friends, not like a scientific test. But because of the title (Vmax vs Diavel) it gets a lot of views, becoming more important it is. I understand your comments, and I am going to valuate for my next official videos. Thanks for your post.
Should have swapped riders and done a two way test to remove that factor! I know the one that's quicker on public roads with any corners!
..EXACTLY! Really a no-brainer..
What an entertaining vid... nicely done.
Im thinking there was a timing gate for each bike so it really don't matter exactly when you take of at the light your time starts when you leave the light not when the light turns green. That leaves it all down to power, grip, and not to reaction times on the green light.
I think the Vmax´s design is more agressive without resigning the custom style, the diavel is a nice bike too but looks more like a sport naked...
fantastic
damn the Duc had a better start and the vmax still came back whooped it...I wish they weren't so expensive though, makes the rocket III desireable
The Vmax is super cheap compared to any other bike in it's class ...LOL
Its still close to 20 grand... thats expesive for a vehicle missing 2 other wheels lol
hebeb394 its not missing two wheels ... get a quad squid
Came back and whooped it? Sorry you slept through such an entertaining video.
@@hebeb394 They are both close to 20 grand and i'd bet the potential buyer of either bases the decision on a number of factors like weight, handling,hp , service costs and brand cache as much or more than they agonize over a $1,200 price difference on what certainly is a $20,000 bike after tax and reg.
Mr Vmax the legend
@Rafal264 yes you're very correct,
@Blueyed2112 If you pause it at around 1:29 it sure "appears" as if the Ducati is well ahead of the Yamaha. And I agree, both bikes are capable of better times, should be in the mid to low 10's
considering that both bike has significant engine displacement difference , i believe the Diavel had performed very well in this match....i'm guessing that the Diavel has more low end torque then Vmax due to V2 engine configuration, also the Diavel will reach it's peak power and torque in much lower rpm then the Vmax...162hp/9500rpm, 127Nm/8000rpm, couldn't find any data for the Vmax though
i'd like to see a rematch. Todays Diavel has more grunt, launch control, and quick shift.
If you need launch control on a motorcycle you shouldn't be drag racing
I wondered why the new Vmax didn't post a better 1/4 mile time. I found out that the computer doesn't allow full power until the bike is moving past 30mph and then slowly turns up the power.. A quick re flash & Max will post 10 sec 1/4 mile times. With the forks compressed, the bike will easily go into the high 9's. My spotless '93 runs 9.80's with a 225 lb rider with a skinny 150mm bias ply rear tire and surprisingly few mods.
it depends on the bike, but most of the bigger 4s have a good midrange and great high range. but a lot of that depends on the configuration and tuning. but you can always down shift. so it just depends on how you drive it. like I have said several times. I have nothing against 2cyl and own a couple and have ridden lots more, I just prefer 4cyl. for sound, efficiency, power lay out, ease of repair for i4. not v4. I hate working on my v4. I guess it just depends on what your definition of beter is
V-max = faster, better sound, not as "sexy" of a manufacturer, less maintenance.....winner
BOB BROWN more muscular stands.
If I’m into going straight, vmax. If I like my turns and hooligan runs, diavel all day. I’ll give up an entire second just to have the handling of the diavel. End of the day, two sick bikes.
@@code23hyper44 The Vmax handles quite well, I can hit the same roads at the same speeds as my Super Duke GT
@@JRockettAudio then you are epic slow on the duke😄
Thing is isn't the Ducati WAY more flickable in the twisties? Plus as mean as the VMAX looks, the Ducati looks better. However, with the proper seat the VMAX is the 2-up machine over the Ducati.
I own a 2020 Ducati Diavel, and a 2020 registered zx10rr winter edition, wonder which would win, the Ninja goes 170kph 1st, 205 2nd the Diavel 160 2nd, about 205 4th, Ninja 300+ kph 6th, imagine Diavel 260kph in 6th, could be fun.
Any buyers for the ZX10rr, never raced, 5700 km. only one remaining in NZ. Has been my commuter.
Just think if the V-max was about 200 lbs lighter like the Ducati it would not even be close.
Steven Varley whats the song on 33 sec
dheller777 How about if they ran a third mile the way things are or made it a roll on quarter mile... not even close.
Steven Varley It used to be a 1200. Look up quarter mile times. high 10's or low 11's in 1985! With a pro rider on both bikes, it's probably gonna loose.
Just a question did u use the 150hp mode or the 100 on the díavel
whats the song on 33 sec?
Incredible machines. Im going to get myself a new bike come Nov/Dec (a combined birthday/x-mas present to myself) and I was looking at the VMax, but then the Diavel Carbon came out. Damn. In a straight line the Vmax is a monster, but in a straight line and the curves the Diavel is the better machine. Plus, after about 100 miles (70 if you ride it hard) the Max needs to be refueled. I personally think the Vmax is a great looking bike, but the Diavel looks great too.
are u referring to this video when you say 1200cc 2cyl against 1000cc 4cyl?
the Vmax is a 1700cc V4 engine
the Diavel is a 1100cc L2 engine
If this was supposed to mean anything why didn't they do a best of 4-5 runs? This doesn't say much about either bike.
Doesn't really matter who won, if the posted times are legit .2 of a second isn't gigantic. It could simply be even a gearing issue. I'd say that most likely, they are evenly matched.
your right. "youd end up paying way more for a brand new ducati!!" The 1199 Panigale S, because the base Panigale for 18k doesn't come with the options you want, is 23k. and the Panigale R is $30,000. the Yamaha R1 is 14k. it does not come with those brands, but that is a $16,000 difference. I could buy 2 brand new R1s for that much. so yea I think id be able to muster up some name brands with all that saved cash. although I doubt the difference in performance would even be noticeable.
V max corners like a tank Ducati corners well like a Ducati
racing a diavel on a track is silly too.
if i ever bought either of these two bikes it would be for sport touring. i personally like the diavel for its looks. the vmax is ok but i don't like the proportions. it looks like they were trying too hard to give it the muscular look whereas the ducati looks naturally beefy.
some people don't agree with me and that's fine.
Is this some sort of a joke? The V Max can do sub 9 second 1/4's!
Of....I knew the outcome before they started. It is a no brainer.
Hard to believe the bikes are that identical in quarter mile times but that's just one run with one set of riders, right? The Diavel is probably more of an all 'round performer than the quicker VMax maybe? Both bikes are kind of hard on the eyes IMO. Just kind of clumsy-looking compared to a streetfighter or sportbike style but I guess they are not so bad to ride.
good bikes!!!
belo video !!
Come on now, don't let one ignorant comment lead you into insulting all American bikes. I like both of these bikes preferring the looks/engineering of the Ducati. But if I'm riding on a long trip I'll take a comfortable cruising Harley! Don't let the internet trolls succeed my friend, Cheers!
What is the music on 0:33?
So the question is what other kind of race would the v-max win besides the race to the first curve?
look up 2016 Vmax Tail of the Dragon - 300+ sharp curves in 13 miles. The Gen 2 can handle the turns just fine. Gas mileage - not so good. I love my bike though.
@denexw2email The song is "Motocross" in the i-Life effects of the standard Mac. Hi Denex
strip the flash off the V-max and put a stage 3 supercharger in it and see if he can keep the tires on the ground. He couldn't get traction for over a half second when the tree lit green. That's a whole lot of bike and they're super comfortable for 90 mile rides. I've yet to ride a Ducati, but from the looks of them, they'd be a lot like the GSX-R, ZX-11 or FZ1 when it comes to rider positioning. What are they pushing, about 145-150hp out of the Diavel?
Both awesome bikes I thought about buying one of these but I decided as I wanted to keep my licence I bought a Moto Guzzi Griso 1200 SE ...which is also awesome and fast enough for me.
I love the Griso. Once obtained it would never leave my stable.
Can't afford the endless rear Tyre replacements after each Tyre burnout!
Is the track bumpy?
A good rider on stock V-max 17 does high 9's.
Now, lets take the HP:CC ratio and see what we come up with assuming each bike adjusted CC's to match the other and maintained the same respective efficiency (ratio) in HP production.
Vmax: 0.1192 x 1198= 142.8
Diavel: 0.1354 x 1679= 227.3
So assuming ratios remained the same, the Vmax with an engine the size of the Diavel would produce 142.3HP to the Diavel's 162.
Inverse, Diavel having Vmax sized engine would produce 227.3HP to the Vmax's 200.
So which engine design is better?
Yeah, it doesn’t work that way. The VMAX is extremely detuned. It originally put down over 300hp at the tire during design and early testing. Even the final spec is further detuned, especially in the lower gears and at WOT in the upper gears. The Diavel is tuned much more to its maximum capability, other than adding flash/tune, airbox/filter, and decat with full exhaust for optimization. It’s not even a contest, ideal peak to ideal peak per design. The Yamaha engine design is better, and by far.
Thats great. Now how does it stack up against the B-King?
considerando che diavel è 2 cilindri e 1200cc, il risultato è eccellente
+Ax the Max se lo volevano fare più leggero facevano un 2 cilindri con una cilindrata inferiore, ma allora sarebbe arrivato dopo
Vmax ist eine super klasse Maschine, jedoch ein kleines Windschild würde viel ausmachen, bei hoher Geschwindigkeit. Die Vmax hat Leistung ohne Ende .
This is a little tricky: one should be careful not to twists the throttle too fast, nor too slowly. I think, this sort of test can't indicative of the bikes' respective acceleration. I also believe, the Diavel will be faster and dodgier, as it has a more sport-oriented pedigree / aerodynamics.
Make mine an EBR, Erik Buell, 1193RX --All Smiles. ..
If you look...and have good depth perception tou can see that the bike on left (Ducati Diavel) is the winner. Not to mention that the Yamaha V-Max smoked his tire out the gate to the point of almost getting sideways. The lines (paint bars) on the track don't lie. You can see who's winning...Just another V-max promo video gone bad.
on this level we always compare drivers, not bikes.
Ciò non toglie che, giornalisticamente parlando, la prova sia divertente.
Del resto capita di vedere di tutto: auto vs moto; auto o moto vs aereo e cose simili. Ci sta tutto. Magari senza che chi commenta sia trattato per principio da presunto ignorante...
Suggerisco prossimamente un confronto tra Vmax e Diavel in pista.
Ci direbbe molto di più su queste due bellissime moto.
Saluti.
Think of the price difference though!
FUN FACTOR:
Vmax/Bosshaus=O
Ducati Diavel= 1000%
Il vecchio V-Max percorreva il quarto di miglio in 10.4. Aveva circa 20 CV in più della Honda Magna, che era un 1100, e fermò il cronometro a 10.9. No, questo nuovo modello è un'offesa al nome V-Max, anche per l'estetica. Riguardo la Diavel...stendiamo un velo pietoso.