Studio Tour - Producing a Livestream with the Blackmagic ATEM Mini
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- Опубліковано 18 жов 2024
- A behind the scenes tour of producing a livestream with the Blackmagic ATEM Mini, Lumix GH5S, and Epiphan Webcaster X2.
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THE GEAR WE USED:
LIGHTS
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IWATA RGB LED geni.us/26tyJ
Boling P1 RGB LED geni.us/fXLLy
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CAMERA
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Lumix 15mm 1.7f Lens geni.us/EFP9zvS
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AUDIO
Samson C02 Microphone geni.us/5hl7O
Zoom F4 with audio delay feature geni.us/zoom-f4
STREAMING
Blackmagic ATEM Mini geni.us/atemmini
Blackmagic ATEM Mini Pro geni.us/atem-m...
Epiphan Webcaster X2 geni.us/LwxwS
Blackmagic Video Assist geni.us/h9gA7C
7" On-Camera Monitor geni.us/0pFmvD
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Best streaming setup I have seen on a budget. Earned my follow.
Not too involved! 😂 it was awesome though, thanks, and thanks to Lily!
Thankyou for sharing your set up. Now my question is _Why do you have the webcaster if you can livestream with the item mini ?
The ATEM Mini has no way to connect to the internet for livestreaming. It outputs either HDMI which you can connect to something like the Webcaster, or appears as a USB Webcam so you can connect it to a computer and stream from there.
Aaron Parecki Thank you Aron all your videos helping us to understand new things coming on board during our projects. I have the Atem Mini and one of the reasons we brought is because the usb-C to webcam for live-streaming (works like a web presenter into the OBS software).
love it you are really pushing the ATEM Mini to the max love it
A way to solve you audio delay problem on the ATEM is to use the XLR audio adapter on the GH5. Audio is now in sync with video.
That's certainly another good option! I sometimes like running the audio through a separate device so that I can have another backup recording of the audio too though. In particular the one I'm using can record two versions of the signal at two different levels.
Another great video. My god lots of great gear I'm gonna pick up some tech, led lights and maybe a mini monitor i can mount.
Love your videos. A masterclass in livestreaming. Have you considered bringing eCammLive into your workstream. It can be redundant for the ATEM in some things but some of the sharing aspects are awesome.
The Epiphan Webcaster X2 is no longer available. Can you recommend something similar? Great video BTW. Thank you.
Thanks for sharing the laptop display chroma key trick.
Nice work, mate! Thanks for making this video!
Great video Aaron. Can the X2 livestream to Facebook and UA-cam at same time?
Hey! Nice idea for showing a computer window. For the ATEM mini, I’ve always been wondering if the media player supports videos ? Looks like you can only send static end titles for exemple
Correct, only static files are supported in the media player. Even their next couple models up support only static files, you have to go up to a pretty fancy expensive model before they support animations.
I‘ve watched all your wonderful Atem Mini Videos. Thank you for your work. One question: Can you explain in detail how to setup picture overlays (i.e. lower thirds) which can be toggled off and on together with with picture in picture without using the software but only the buttons during the live stream? I want to show business lower thirds and explain as a pip while showing a screen. One remark: keep up your good work.
Thanks! The buttons on the ATEM Mini won't be able to switch graphics, you'll need to connect some sort of controller. In a later video I explain how I use macros to swap graphics for this purpose using an iPad as a controller. No computer required, just an iPad!
Great tip on Output Delay, had not even considered that. Must check my MixPre-6 to see if it supports that.
Apparently the MixPre only does input delay.
That should work too tho right?
@@aaronpk I'm not sure to be honest. What I was planning on doing were a series of fireside chat live streams to LinkedIn but if the lips are out of sync then I'm worried. How would it work using input delay Aaron? Here's what Sound Devices said "The input delay may help out but it only goes up to 30ms and depending on your frame rate, may not be enough. 60 FPS is 50ms whereas 23.98 is 125ms for just three frames."
@@GaryStockton ah if 30ms is the most then it may not be enough. The other option is to run the audio from your MixPre into a camera, and that will avoid the issue too. I will also say it's probably not the end of the world if the audio is a little out of sync, people will still get the idea.
Aaron Parecki yes that makes sense I think I saw one other atem video where audio went into cam from a Rodecaster pro and hdmi audio from that cam sent to the stream
13:12 “not too involved” what? Oh my gosh... I can’t imagine what a more complex setup would look like then. I need a map to go over what you said on this video; there is so much stuff!
Lovely video once more. Why did you choose the Webcaster X2 over the Atem Web Presenter? Price?
The Web Presenter is more an alternative to the ATEM Mini than the Webcaster. It just appears as a webcam to a computer just like the Mini does, it doesn't actually stream to UA-cam directly, so you still need a computer or something that can stream. The Webcaster takes an HDMI input and connects to the internet and actually pushes the livestream there.
Favourite channel.
Why did you not just use the ATEM Mini streaming features? I was under the impression it had built in encoding and streaming.. or is that what they added with the Pro?
Yep that was added with the Pro! I filmed this before the pro came out! I 100% haven't used the Webcaster since
...time for the ATEM Mini Pro update, Aaron :)
Thank you for helpful demo. Have you use Atem with Ecamm software? Delay feature on F4 is great, any other cheaper recorder with this option? F4 kinda pricey.
Superb setup guide. THANKS.
Great tour. Just curious about the necessity of the X2 in your setup, as he Atem possesses its own streaming capabilities, right?
Jay Dels
ATEM Mini = switcher only
ATEM Mini Pro = switcher + encoder
The biggest headache with the ATEM mini has been getting/finding affordable cameras that send a clean hdmi feed. What are your recommendations for low end cameras that can send clean hdmi feed to ATEM Mini?
Any camcorder style camera will work great, and those can get as cheap as $200. For something a little nicer I highly recommend the LUMIX G7, $500 including a lens!
Great video. Thx. We are experiencing super bad audio drift with the Atem mini after about an hour of streaming.. even though audio is passed through the cam. Are you not experiencing this?
That hasn't happened to me, and I've used it for about 3-4 hours at a time. Likely the audio drift is introduced in the stream rather than the ATEM Mini.
Hey Arron nice video abt the audio issue i dont think the problem is with the atem mini even teradek encoders do the same wen u try to monitor audio through their output jack n the time i noticed i was sending video feed from a laptop using obs to the teradek encoder...so i think it cud be an encoder issue
Hey! I found your videos after I bought my ATEM Mini. I'm working on a setup where I've created multicam via an Atomos Shogun 7 and then Blackmagic Bi-Directional HDMI/SDI converters so I can loop all of my cameras into the Shogun for multiview and individually recording each camera feed. It's also great for backup switching. My question to you is the one thing I haven't figured out yet is do I get the Epiphan X2? Do I use OBS studio? What have you found to be the best way to go about that? From this video it's sweet to know the X2 has that output where you can see the chat window. I'm just wondering how much more beneficial is it to have the X2 do the heavy lifting aka encoding vs. a Macbook Pro running OBS? Thanks in advance!
That's quite an expensive way to get multiview but that's awesome!
I prefer using dedicated hardware for streaming rather than OBS. I find that OBS makes my computer fan turn on pretty quick which gets noisy. I also like that the X2 has the live chat view on the monitor too.
Aaron Parecki yea price wasn’t a huge concern. We have a Tricaster TC1 and a custom Blackmagic ATEM setup so we’re familiar with livestreaming. I’m working on building a fly pack so to speak that could be packed up in one case or backup to run a four camera shoot.
Your videos are always great and informative! I'm hoping to pair a Lumix G7's HDMI output with a ATEM mini. However, I heard that the G7's HDMI output isn't clean when you start recording the camera switches with the ATEM. Would a camlink/elgato/capture card help with this issue at all?
Thanks! The limitation of the G7 is it can't output over HDMI while recording. Another kind of capture card won't help unfortunately. There are other cameras that can record and output over HDMI at the same time but they are often more expensive than the G7.
@@aaronpk I greatly appreciate your quick response! I'm assuming these more expensive cameras are likely the G85 (which is my next consideration) and GH5, GH5S.
@@clusterfigure I know for sure the GH5 and GH5S do, I'm not sure about the G85 but I *think* it does. I'd try to find some confirmation about that though, @PhotoJoseph probably has a video about that camera!
@@aaronpk The only source I have claiming that the G85 would potentially work is through this article: www.joelwsmith.com/live-streaming-cameras#micro-four-thirds-cameras - about the fourth one down
Arcticsounds "Clean HDMI output, even while recording." Sounds like it then!
I recently got a lavalier mic and I have it connected via xlr to my h6 but it sounds somewhat bad not sure why.
hmm, could be the gain is set too high? There are a couple different options in the H6 that you might need to look at. Can't remember off the top of my head now though.
Thanks Aaron, this is very helpful ! Thank you very much. Do you know if the USB-c ATEM MINI output can be used in the USB (Beta) of the Webcaster X2 ... Before investing, I try to figure it out if it is possible to do this to take advantage of the HDMI OUT for previews or projection of HDMI 1 IN.
I haven't tried that myself yet, but what I've heard is that it does sort of work but the USB on the Webcaster is only USB 2, so it's not fast enough to keep up with the speed required for the 1080 stream.
@@aaronpk Ok, i would be very glad to see it in action.
Great sound syncing solution if your cameras are away from the sound board. However, in OBS there is an option to adjust the latency. Will it work the same way as audio out delay in the Zoom f4?
Yeah if you're using OBS then you can add the delay there instead. I just prefer to avoid doing the streaming in software so I'm using a hardware encoder instead here.
@@aaronpk Thank you so much! I really appreciate your reply! At least now I know I can save on the F4 for some time :)
thanks my friend. u helped alot. i owe u one
I recently purchased the ATEM Mini Pro. I am using a GH5 and GH5S as my cameras. Can you not color correct cameras that aren't black magic cameras inside the ATEM software?
Yeah the camera tab in the software control app is just a controller for color correction inside of blackmagic cameras. The ATEM doesn't actually do any color processing itself.
@@aaronpk ah ok so that tab is basically useless if you only have GH5(s). Got it. Thank you! I'm curious if there is a workaround yet to be able to do animated lower 3rds instead of still images. I'm assuming there might be a way to use OBS + ATEM Mini Pro and accomplish this?
How do you I connect the webcaster 2x to the Atem Mini, will it be as a HDMI Output or will it be a HDMI? Thanks.
Connect the ATEM Mini HDMI output to the input of the Webcaster X2
@@aaronpk Thank you it works!!
Good information !!!
@Aaron Pareski, can u do the laptop browser with greenscreen background using the downstream key function instead of upstream key?
A cheap Behringer mixer with unbalanced master output works very good and it has phantom powered XLR inputs too which = access to a ton of cheap music recording mics that´s on the market today like the 50 usd SubZero SZC-400 Condenser Microphone. They have a cheap mixer with 4 XLR inputs and a few line in inputs too. With a mixer you can add a lot of mics on top of the cam mic inputs. You can hook up two mixers to mic/line in inputs if you want as long as it´s unbalanced on the master out. A mixer makes it possible to change EQ and send effects...........
I like not needing extra devices since it's all built in! Keeps the desk cleaner, and fewer wires needed too!
@@aaronpk I forgot to write thanks for all the cool tips thanks for sharing. I just wanted to share this.
You already have an extra device hooked up to it. A mixer would replace it and make your setup cheaper and more flexible and easy to set up regarding soundquality not having to go in to the software to change EQ settings and Pan etc etc. If you need more than just one external mic it is going to get messy anyway.
I fire my Mini up with a laptop hooked up to it so I can set up stuff in the software but then I can unplug the usb cable if I want or need to and still being able to change the audio. For all the rest the Mini can do like pip cams and stuff I mostly use Camtwist that can do a little more of those things.
I also do not use the USB out for the video stream I use the HDMI and a Pcie capture card so the audio stream is going directly in to the HDMI since there is no compression.
I have´nt done any tests yet but I think the delay might even get smaller over all without to much USB involved.
You mentioned DSLR cameras, but DSLR cameras show the boxes and icons within your recorded stream.
I meant DSLR as a shorthand for DSLR and mirrorless cameras. But also there are definitely DSLR cameras that have clean HDMI out, just not the entry level Canon cameras
Is the webcaster x2 completely redundant if you have an atem mini pro?
Pretty much! The only advantage of the Webcaster is the HDMI out of it can show UA-cam comments
@@aaronpk that might actually be worthwhile. Can it do facebook comments too? Does it work with sites like restream to do both?
hi. I am a 700d user.
I bought and used atem mini pro.
When connecting to the screen the entire image failed
Why is that?
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Hi Aaron, We hooked the HDMI out to the Assist (then to encoder) but then you can't really use the preview feature on the main out. ( as you are recording all the previewing not the main output feed. Can you output from WEBCAM output to the Assist ( then to encoder) then use the HDMI Main out in Preview mode? That's what we need to do for the show we are planning to stream
The Webcam output really is a webcam, so it needs to be connected to a computer or something that expects a webcam input. The Blackmagic Assist won't be able to take the webcam output.
It sounds like at the point you need multiview of all inputs as well as a preview output, you should probably get the ATEM TV Studio instead which has all of this built in.
You do lose the built in scaler and fancy audio tools, but it will probably be cheaper to add those to the TVS than to make the Mini so everything you need anyway.
@@aaronpk thanks Aaron.. we'll get the programme up and going and then invest i think. Hopefully the Atem Tv will have the scaler by then. Theyve obviously worked out how to do it cost effectively
I really hope there’s a new version of the TVS this year! They’re perfectly set up for it now! That TVS with the scaler and keyer and audio from the Mini would be such a fantastic device!
Hi, thanks for making this video. I have a similar set up but I’m trying to use an AVerMedia Live Gamer Portable 2 Plus 4K to record a local copy instead of the Blackmagic Video Assist. Having problems getting it to work between the ATEM mini and Webcaster X2. I’ve only got it working when connected to the X2 hdmi out which passes through to a regular monitor. Any ideas on why the AVerMedia isn’t playing nice with the ATEM mini?
It's been a while since I've used an avermedia device, but the last time I tried, I ended up returning it because it was too aggressive about refusing to record HDCP signals. It was unable to record from a mac at all because the device advertises HDCP support and then the mac sends an HDCP signal and then it refuses to record. It could be that something similar is happening here, but I haven't tested out enough HDCP stuff with the Mini to know if that's the problem.
Aaron Parecki Ok, thanks for your response. I may make a video showing exactly what is happening and put it out there to see if anyone knows a way to make it work, or should I just return it. I can’t see spending $500 for a BMD video assist. I work for a nonprofit and the return on investment is hard to justify. Thanks!
There's another device I'm testing out, which looks promising, but I haven't finished testing yet. So keep an eye on the channel and I should hopefully have that video out in a couple weeks!
Aaron Parecki Sounds good. I’m debating whether to keep the device and just record from the X2 hdmi out if I can’t get it to work with the ATEM mini. Maybe better than nothing for now. I want to edit the video and use for different purposes.
@@aaronpk I made a quick video to share the issues I was experiencing: ua-cam.com/video/wx6BWKJRFtM/v-deo.html
How much do you charge for a job like this?
So ATEM Mini audio inputs are not synchronized? I still have to use delay?
as of the firmware version i am currently using, the audio inputs do not have an added delay to bring them in sync with the hdmi inputs. that ends up meaning i need to add a 2-3 frame delay to to the audio to bring it in sync.
How can you sync the audio that you are putting in the Atem mini
Say i needed the other hdmi ports for cameras on the mini how can i run it to the laptop for pool storage? ethernet possibly?
The only video inputs on the Mini are the 4 HDMI inputs. You could use an ethernet extender to get a longer range than an HDMI cable, but you won't be able to get additional inputs or anything.
Do you by chance have links for the roland adapters
Sorry which Roland adapters? I didn't think I was using any Roland gear in this
Sorry about that just saw that it was a Roland cable, but the 1/8 adapter for the zoom mixer. I enjoy videos and thank you for replying.
Can you please list devices I can use to stream live on Facebook with four cameras
This list plus some extra cameras would do well!
If I use obs , is there really a need for a webcaster
OBS is a fine alternative to the Webcaster if you don't mind using the computer for it.
6:30 Are the graphics burned-in to the recorder ?
Yes, this produces a single stream of video that is recorded.
should headphone on the cam or sound source not at the end
Run your audio to one of the cameras, and then use that camera as the audio source in the ATEM mini. Other method use a Sescom Ses-A-V-Sync corrector. www.amazon.com/Sescom-V-SYNC-Lip-Sync-Corrector-Sescom/dp/B00C0NTHOU Will be interesting to see if BM updates software-firmware for a audio delay option.
Yeah that's another option for sure. Doesn't work in every case though so it's good to know about the audio delay option.
I can use that second laptop with the chroma key with my microscope. Thanks
how apply lut on steam?
You'd need an external monitor like the Blackmagic Video Assist or Atomos to apply the LUT externally before it's brought into the ATEM.
I don’t hear any traffic noise - possibly because there’s another disturbance: Some pretty annoying music. (Music during speech is always just bad).
Too bad about the ghastly coloured light on your face.