GIANT TRANSFORMATIONS VS. GHOST USHERS! WHICH ABILITY IS STRONGER?? (DBZ: Dokkan Battle)
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- Video Title: GIANT TRANSFORMATIONS VS. GHOST USHERS! WHICH ABILITY IS STRONGER?? (DBZ: Dokkan Battle)
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IMO, The ability to play ELDEN RING DLC in middle of THE WORLD TOURNAMENT is the best ability 🗿
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straight facts
@@adflash6721best ability in gaming history
Tanabata Carnival lr Hit’s timeskip that’s gonna activate a domain AND a ghost usher clears both
imagine it’s a two turn ghost user or a domain-giant form
Ghost usher for the duration of the domain
@@Aes01532why tf would it be giant
@@BruhBruh-ii6go more of a rage mode Instead. because in the arc he did use his angry and pure progress to get stronger
Giant form is superior for a singular reason - characters need to be hit to fulfill passive requirements. Usher is better in cases you are using a lot of items, particularly nuke teams.
A major downside to Giant Form we have SEEN in the Kid Buu fight is that all of the Attack Lowering from previous turns wears off, making the boss's normals hit like Truck Kun on saturday morning.
18:05 No giant transformations are like King Crimson. Ghost ushers are like time stop, the enemy cant do anything but you attack.
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In my opinion Ghost husher is better because in certain situations you know where thr supper attack is so you can delay it for 1 turn then on your next turn have someone like Beast Gohan to sit in that slot and take it . Giant transformation is just as effective as a ghost for the 1 turn but in the next turn it can be hard to predict where the boss is gonna super. Of excluding Target mechanics and Scouters.
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He’s activating HiPo dodge like LR UI Bulma on that video
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also, the fact that units with ghost ushers(pikkon and the androids) still have some niche uses and were relevant for long periods of time speaks to how you can easily get better uses out of it than giant forms(trunks ghost usher is restricted behind is transformation so it’s hard to just use it). giant form units on the other hand, however, don’t nearly have the same amount of lifespan that ghost usher units do, since most giant form characters were ass and couldn’t tank even after their giant form turn, which is why piccolo is among one of the only units to make having a giant form unit on the team useful
If the rotation is good on giant transformation, then giant is good, if the rotation is bad on ghost usher, then ghost usher is good
but if you get locked or sealed then giant form is elite
Something too mention is the giants form allow your debuffs too wear off on the boss. Not sure how much this effects any fight besides kid buu, because they are all squishy anyways but worth noting
Giant transformations also allow characters with a high hp requirements at the start of turn to be more reliable. If your hp is low at the start of turn, you can use a senzu then do the giant transformation, when it ends you will start the turn again with full hp.
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They are both great but I think giant forms can have more bad side effects then ghost usher. Like red zone cell max guranting giant forms are one turn or giant forms being useless in battlefield or any countdown event.
I'm thinking Giant form. Ghost ushers are good, but it only delays the bosses actions, it doesn't remove them like giant form. THAT being said, please stop giving us ridiculous restrictions on our abilities PLZ Dokkan 😢
4:50 And then Kid Buu is at 1,6 M damage normals on turn 4.
The issue is, Orange Piccolo on Global is required to be the damage dealer for the team as well the offensive unit - we don't have dude's like Beast Gohan to carry that aspect and have Orange Piccolo as a support.
Remember when people thought the giant form canceling boss abilities was a bug
I also just wanted to point out something. Giant form is akin to Timestop in ARPG games, particularly those that follow a timer to complete a challenge. You are performing actions *outside of the timer count*. We do have some missions with turn restrictions, and there is no PvEvsPvP like rankings for turns completed or damage done, so it doesnt matter as much. But just think of freaking DMC combos or something lol.
Theoretically you can usher 10 turns in a row. There are 5 units with usher active skills. Teq trunks, int fat buu, teq androids, agl paikuhan, and agl goku and chi chi. If you run one of these units as a friend and have 2 ghost ushers and 2 guide robots as items you can meet the active conditions then just spam ushers
In my opinion, Giant Form is typically better if it allows you to disable enemy supers.
This can allow you to take hits for all of the units that need to be hit to build passives, while also typically allowing 1-2 (sometimes 3) turns of free damage dealt from GF, PLUS the damage dealt on the turn without supers.
Only exception I can think of is if you have a character on your team that would die to just a couple of normals and has shit dodge.
Keep in mind debuffs you apply to bosses can be after being in the giant form for two turns and WILL be gone after three turns.
Ghost ushers are better but their are niche situations where giant form is elite, Bosess that can only super once a turn come to mind
But they’re pretty much the same thing right? I would argue that Giant transformations are better cause they leave only the basic attacks and can let units build up but a ghost usher could technically be better on a turn where you don’t have a slot one unit who can tank the hits pre super
@@jayb.6705 The meta isn't kind to units that need to get hit to build up rn
@@jayb.6705usher is better because nobody getting hit,you can die with giant if one unit cant take the normals
@@jayb.6705 thing is by the time you activate the giant form, most units wouldve been built up with hits anyway
Ushers are broken put that on a team like Super Hero's or Super Bosses and those teams come 1000000x better
It depends, if the giant mode lasts 2+ turns and is an active skill then I’d say it’s better than a ghost usher cuz it does the same thing but with other added tech to it
When using giant the atk,def debuff goes away
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Ghost Ushers only do the one thing they're supposed to. They're very good, but Giant Forms do so much more for more turns.
Aren't giant forms just better based on the fact that you have times where its multi turn instead of a one off situation?
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If they super every 15 attacks and you ghost usher. It will pause the attack count. Because it didn't perform the attacks. When in giant mode, the count continues, maybe saving you next turn.
One major thing that they can do is start doing dumb shit like having boss charges. Typing changing bosses like the god of destruction event stage 2 or red zone cell max forces your giant form to go away immediately and the boss is like a new phase so they will have their gimmicks and supers ready again. Also giant form leaves the normals there still which isn’t saving weak characters since battle spectacle Gogeta is at 900k normals without his super attack buff.
How do taunts factor (as a mechanic) here
8:35 hehe, DaTruthDT says Doo-Doo
A giant transformation is a 1-3 turn ghost usher. Plus the boss cannot super attack the next turn if he supers the giant transformation
Assuming your characters are good enough to tank normals (they will be), then Giant Form is literally just an Usher but with additional damage, it’s simply better in most instances.
We can't assume that especially when it comes to Orange piccolo and kid buu.
Kid buu's normal after piccolo's giant form does 1,6M normals.
@@crowofjudgement4718Which Piccolo is able to tank, since he is a slot 2/3 unit now
@@AtlasPunk-05 He's saying in this situation a ghost usher is simply better. It will be in the future if they keep adding bosses that get attack the more you attack them
@NikoOneShotDad in what case scenario is piccolo able to tank a 1.6m normal. He has like 800-900k def with 20% dr
@@justindai8401 He has 800-900k DEF start of turn. He gets 50% on super. Rainbow piccolo commonly has 800-900k when built up, and at the start of fights YOU WILL put him slot 1 to build him up cus he is still strong turn 1-3. This makes his def effectively over 1mil(around 1.2m or so or higher with an aa super) with 20% DR
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I'd lean on the consistency of ghost ushers, but both are good.
Ghost ushers are obviously better, but in this meta especially. Kid buu is one of the hardest fights, giant form super charges him and gets rid of debuffs, ghost ushers just give you a free turn.
Giant transformations can disable bosses’ supers and special abilities, ghost ushers only delay them
There's zero difference between that. It's not like bosses aren't just going to not super the turn following the turn at the end of Giant form.
Giant Form is better when your characters can tank normals. Ghost Usher is better when your characters can't tank normals.
@@SilverDreamweaverin which now most good characters can tank normals now
@@SilverDreamweaverThere is also the fact there is alot of characters that build up by getting hit also
So what you're saying is, they're the same thing...? Actually you're saying ghost usher is better because delaying is better than disabling lmao
@@beckyg5952 Depends,there are alot of units that need to get hit for something on their passive,in that case giant would be better
Ghost Usher vs Units with DMG threshhold healing every other giant
personally I think ghost ushers are stronger. It guarantees a turn of not dying. While giant forms are useful in the damage they do and canceling enemy skills, if the boss is strong enough and you have a unit with weak defense(like a dodge or die unit maybe), they can still die to normals on that turn.
Honestly I just don't like giant forms. I sometimes just don't use the giant form since it takes so long that I get bored. That's the main reason I never rock two orange piccolo's lol.
Ghost usher, 1, 2, 3, done.
Piccolo is the goat lmao his full damage reduction passive also covers his "bad defense" mine at 55% ate teq ssj gogeta in sbs for 300k after piccolo supered which I thought was real impressive cause I thought piccolo was dead to rights
Ik you need good rng but piccolo is the goat
Giant piccolo is better than ghost usher because you deal damage, it lasts at least 2 turns, and it cancels a super attack which we are able to count out the cooldown usually. Ghost usher just suspends a turn for the boss and moves the super attack to the next turn. Hardly a comparison
Ghost Usher: No Attacks 1 Turn
Giant: No attacks that take damage up to 3 turns, DMG with additionals & criticals, Cancels enemy super upon exiting giant form
Giant also negates locking cause you can move the chars into the slots you want. Helps a bunch with the locking bosses
giant does not help against the kid buu fight where you only build kid buu's attack up tho
14:22 Fun fact Truth if piccolo's giant form last for 3 turns and idk you have debuffed kid buu with like the phy eza lr evo blue vegeta and ssbkk goku you LOSE those debuffs.
Lastly piccolo's debuff doesn't do shit against 1.6M normals from kid buu.
good thing you can just debuff after
@@guyfauks2576 You really don't know what you're talking about huh?
So now you're saying OP has be glued ssbkk & evo blue or else he explodes from his normals?
Newflash piccolo is not surviving against 1.6M damage normals post super with fresh debuffs.
@@crowofjudgement4718 oh no its not like op is on super hero and they can just turn kid buu into a joke
get bad rotation pull out op
then super hero tears through buu and youre done
@@guyfauks2576 So you're basically saying the team can go on without piccolo and he's practically agl paikuhan who needs to get covered by his father(s)? Got it.
I also love how you don't even deny that piccolo gets exposed to one or more fully built up kid buu normals. Believe or not super hero doesn't just 1 turn the int phase frame one. They actually have a big amount of armed SA's.
Did you use OP in the kid buu fight, cause I certainly have 12+ times.
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Opinion before video: Ghost Usher. Giant Form is insanely strong, but while Piccolo can cancel Kid Buu's super and heal, he will still get smoked from normals.
Best ability is probably Future Trunks's Ghost Usher which does great damage as well (one of the only good things about that character)
Kid Buu is the only boss that can potentially and not very often deal damage to Piccolo post giant form. Don't forget Piccolo has his guarding intro during which he is completely safe plus he can also atk debuff kid Buu. Kid buu would need to be heavily build up plus no Orange Piccolo intro active plus not be decently debuffed to kill Orange Piccolo after his giant form.
The thing though is that while Ghost Ushers do save from the damage from normals in this situation, the ghost usher only 'delays' attacks, and only attacks. Meanwhile, Giants can play around mechanics that should be unavoidable like Locks and potentially seals.
Personally, I'd say they're on par and both have their merits and disadvantages depending on the fight.
I mean. I thought LR Zamasu had the best active skill in the game
But then again, he just cancels damage directed solely to him and not the entire rotation
The only reason giant form is better is because of orange piccolo. He's the only good giant form unit in the game's entire history. Without orange piccolo, giant form would still be considered a useless ability
Giant form has more utility, but Ghost usher is better.
You can do alot with giant forms but ghost usher are a better team protector. Weaker characters can still die with to normals with giant form
Mostly usher Besides if your rotation Really need to get hit and can Actually take a hit
LR Orange Piccolo still is and always will be my goat. His giant form is just free damage and no damage if your units can tank normals which one sure would hope they can.
He is the Kareem of Dokkan for sure
Giant transformation for me
Ushers are the best baby!
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almost every comment on the last video was praise for putting piccolo up there and him being so good nowadays, at least on my page
whoever doesnt like his inclusion is just hating fr
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Why is this a contentious question?
They both accomplish pretty much the same thing but ill never like the giant form mechanic since they're so boring to sit through.
Give us a giant form ssj4 just cuz they wanna make him broken
Edit: starts with goku and vegeta then giant form golden ape for 2 turns into a transformed gogeta.
too much nuance😵💫
I mean saying that Power Awakend Piccolo cant do dmg its kinda crazy build up he can hit for 17 mln and I understand for 2024 units is like nothing but for unit which will be 2 years old this year its still good score
Giant is the stronger one. You prevent boss SA with it, does DMG, can change slot when locked, heal with same type orb twice and be able to prioritise your orb.
The only downside with it is when you bring character that can be DMG by normal and it’s too boring
This was so obvious why make a video the giant skill is literally ghost usher but for 2-3 turns why doing damage
Neither, it's obviously the Senzu Bean
Ghost usher is better bc it doesn't waste 40 fucking years
Ghost usher is like 2× times more effective and powerful
Explain
Nah. You can make a point that it's a bit better, but it's super close and 2 times better is just wrong.
@@darkflameofphonix4709 u can win with a Silberman on team full of ghost usher u can't win with a siberman on team full of giant form users
@@trapsad8541i mean yes you can if you deal enough damage and kill the boss same applies to ghost usher if you don’t kill the boss before that saibaman comes back your’re dead
@@trapsad8541 yes you can, if they just don't attack a certain slot and before you say that's RNG, so are all the saibamen runs also that's not anything that'd be relevant in a regular fight as you obviously don't wanna run saibamen.
Ghost Usher saves you for a turn
Giant Form prevents the enemy from doing super attacks
The giant form does quite a bit more like you can see in the vid
@@darkflameofphonix4709 I know there is, but I’m going for what I mainly look for when using Ghost Usher or Giant Form
the empress of dokkan LR ribrianne has a giant form, these other bozos have ushers. Don't even need to watch the video giant form SWEEPS
Truth spent 30 minutes trying to convince himself Giant are Close to Ushers lmao
Well yeah because they are better
@@chrisgilbert4934 they aren't lmao put a ghost usher on a competent Super Hero or Super Bosses unit the team gets a million times better
I would say both have cons
Giant will be better If the team has characters that need to be hit,as with giants you can still build this characters without fear of a super
So overrall i would say giant is better
@@Ocacadordecasadas Ghost usher legit doesn't have any cons espically when you are putting it on a team like Super Heroes which does stupid damage it makes it's impossible to lose it's a 0% loss chance imagine using a Ghost Usher when you have Transformed Broly doing 4-5 supers lmao
@@donzo2320 Btw ushers would hurt beast as he would not get his adicional for getting hit and also would lose the extra atk
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