Feblik bro just mind your own business? Watch other UA-cam videos, read other comments, move on. We don’t care if you think it’s ridiculous because it has nothing to do with you.
@Feblik Marriage is a social construct, so if a construct is changed or challenged or appended then the definition for that construct also changes. To say something is not real marriage is inherently false because there is no strict definition of marriage. If you don't like gay marriage, don't get gay married
Yeah I think the implication is that masculine coded dress is neutral, which is obviously not the case. It'd be awesome for femme people and for masculine people if we could move past that.
But how many males would like to dress like Jessica, but don't because of internalised sexism and a certainty that they will be negatively judged? I think the policing works both ways; objecting on one side and preventing on the other.
I think a lot of discussions about choice & femininity suffer from a lack of nuance, as if either "femininity is entirely a choice women make and there are no social pressures and no reason to criticize the beauty industry" OR "women have no agency and exist only as victims of the patriarchy", when it's so much more complex than that. The beauty INDUSTRY revolves around amplifying women's insecurities to sell more products, but that doesn't mean women who wear makeup or enjoy beauty are stupid or weak or must be insecure, but that you need to be critical of the beauty industry like any other industry. Many women DO feel pressured into femininity and wearing makeup, and those women discussing their struggles doesn't mean they're inherently putting other women down. I see discussions where people talk as if women who wear makeup are dumb and fragile and insecure, but also, as a woman who is unfeminine and doesn't wear makeup, I personally felt a LOT of pressure to conform to feminine standards and wear makeup and dresses etc, but sometimes I feel like I can't discuss it or try to empower other women who are experiencing what I did, without being accused of putting women who wear makeup down, when I didn't even mention them. The truth is social standards & pressures and individual choices aren't the same...individual choices are influenced by the former but they're influenced by other things as well. And you can say that the social pressure for women to wear makeup is misogynist without meaning the only reason any woman would want to wear makeup is internalized misogyny, because individual choices are still individual choices.
I agree with you so much! "that doesn't mean women who wear makeup or enjoy beauty are stupid or weak or must be insecure" One only has to look up youtube channels to see lots of intelligent, confident women with a well-founded opinion who also like to wear make-up. For example, Lindsay Ellis always wears bold lipstick colors. Jenny Nicholson has a prominent eye lid line. And Queen Contra goes all the way out.
Seriously though when I was younger and found out about other sexualities I thought gay men would be super manly and women super feminine like to me that made so much sense so what Jessica said really made sense
"They'll talk to the person I'm with." FFS... Why is it that so many people see physical disability, and think "oh, you poor dear!" like the person is a child.
I think I'm starting to recognize Jessica's expression of "I'm a deaf person and am definitely not picking up on everything your saying but I'm just going to smile through this." I'm really happy to see her collabing though since it helps to spread awareness on the variety of topics she is knowledgeable about. Very happy to see her on this channel. This actually made me teary with the talk of how you look effecting treatment. I've had panic attacks about whether or not i should present as i am or spend precious energy dolling up to see doctors so I make a good impression. :(
I so identify with the feminine but not girly! I got so upset when some friends from my childhood made fun of me for being "girly" as an adult when I hated that word when I was a child. High femme is feminine, and it doesn't have to be girly :)
I feel the same and I feel it's almost because the term girly is meant to be dismissive or like used to put you down so we have the reaction of being eew about being called girly cause it's so much more than that.
I didn't want to be girly when I was younger either so I threw out all my pink. I still dressed femininely, and I still do. I hate being girly, but I like dressing feminine
My biggest issue with the word girly is that it's used as an antonym to manly. If there's one thing I hate it's when women are girls while men remain adults.
Hobbled into the ER last month with vertigo *after* getting all dolled up and JESSICA IS RIGHT. You also get better treatment if you are not fat. As I have already wasted away, I am both *incredibly* salty and suitably 'thin' enough to not "just need to lose a few pounds". I say that jokingly, but I mean...
@@bblovesyou1 I once went to the doctor with a cold and mild fever and after being prescribed medicine I got the weight chat AGAIN UGH And then people wonder why I only go when I'm on my last leg, like fam, they're just going to tell me to lose weight and send me away.
@@DianaKaulitzListing It's the opposite for underweight people. I'm very underweight and yet not a single doctor will talk about it even though it could show that my heamth issues are causing to literally waste away Some doctors really need to reevaluate their priorities
@@furmidable5498 i've lost 20% of my body weight but somehow that's not a problem? like dudes i'm literally starving would you maybe do something about this...and i've been begging for a feeding tube for half a year
I love how you talked about being overlooked by doctors because of being deaf, they always do that to my granny when I take her to her apointments and I respond by telling them to talk to her slowly and enunciate. With the covid crisis I now go behind them and translate to sign language. You all deserve your doctors talking to you!!!!
Valeria Vagapova he’s from a show called queer eye on netflix. It’s a show about 5 gay men who do makeover for (usually) other men. Jonathan does like hair and I think sort of makeup kinda skincare stuff I thiiink
One tip with hair pins - the more you put in, the less stable your creation will be. I know it's weird and feels utterly counterintuitive, but if you practice a little, using fewer pins does work.
Firstly, adding some teasing to the base of the hair you’re about to pin means that the pins have some texture to hold on to- this is the major issue a lot of people with straight hair have. Their hair is slippery and doesn’t hold pins well. That being said, I’ve found that I have to tease a lot less, and sometimes not at all, because my hair is curly, and so already has enough texture for pins to stick to. But texture is the solution. And practice. Loads of practice.
So glad y'all came together to make this video! It's always empowering to see other femme lesbians living their best lives. Being a nonbinary lesbian and the futch/stem icon I am, femininity and makeup are my passions, but they also keep people relatively uncertain of my identities. It has its benefits and pitfalls, but there no need to change for people who don't bother to see. Thanks for creating support and comradery for the global community
The way Jessica talks about make up is how I feel about shaving my legs and underarms. I don’t always do it, I don’t have to do it-but I like to do it.
I've watched a few different videos of Jessica making up other people now, & they always give me such nostalgia for older girls doing my makeup for theatre in high school.
I think my style might be as bisexual as myself. One day I'll wear wide-legged pants and a button up short + bowtie, next day I'll wear a 50s dress and petticoat.
Not quite, I have never had any doubts about my gender. I'm 100% a woman. Who just so happens to also like dressing like a man, because my lord, does suits look tight.
Me too. I am proud of being a woman. But since i was young, I like wearing simple clothes. Like jeans and a T shirt. But I don't hate if I have to wear a dress. Also, until 16 I thought I was straight. But now I think I am bi
LITERALLY my entire being blushes regularly. When Rowan's fringe was pinned back I was like who is this person?! I really like the look ♥ tbf I always like Rowan's look.
As a femme gay male, I often have my intelligence doubted and/or ignored by a large swathe of people. I dress in super preppy pastel or kawaii styles with lots of florals and pink because it makes me SO happy. I've always wanted to dress the way I do now and I've only recently come to terms with being on the nonbinary spectrum. There is definitely a lot of misogyny attached to how people dismiss me and what I have to say because of my femme attributes that goes FAR beyond typical homophobia at least In the US where I'm at. I feel like the true strength of High Femme is daring to embrace those tiny delicacies of life in SPITE of the patriarchal structures that hold anything feminine or feminine grouped as lesser. Been loving the points brought up on your channel!
i love this SO much. the two of you seem so incredibly genuine and sweet and have an incredible rapport together. youtube needs more lesbian-driven content like this!!
Very thankful I saved watching this video for a day when my body gave up on me and I'm stuck in bed. Unsurprisingly bed days are best spent with other disabled femme youtubers.
Rowan, you look stunning! The pin curls are really cute! I love how positive Jessica is, she exudes so much joy and love, and I will forever appreciate people taking the time and effort to help others accentuate their best features. 😍
It's always a little weird to notice how people treat you differently based on how you look. But, once you start noticing, it's pretty easy to start using it to your advantage. Also, I've noticed that while the way I dress is affected by my general mood, the way I dress directly impacts the way I behave, the way I move and talk and think. It's all still me, but I suppose a different, say, facet of me. I'm curious to know if other people have noticed this?
totall get you because I always feel like I talk a lot more confidently and eloquently when im in make up and nice clothes but also act more modestly, it's really interesting, i think part of it is that im proud of the fact that I like used my creativity and energy to make something new of my image if that makes sense, but still pressured to "act feminine"? and it goes other way too when i dress nice but in a more gender neutral or masculine way , i also feel more powerful but also more excitable and silly, I don't know it's confidence in different ways. I think I'm most comfortable acting like a fool when I don't dress feminine because I feel like I don't need to match my personality to look put together
If you consider the femme aspects of my style femme enough (bc ahh dysphoria is weird?), I would dang love to?! Wtf is even my femme? Soft punk femme? Artsy femme? Tomboy femme? Open to suggestions here! Haha! Also I out loud yellled "YASSS QUEEN!" at your makeover reveal!
My style is "androgynous, vaguely feminine man female with lots of bright colour and white"...I think. I don't give myself a label because I can't find one that sums it up XD
Just because of Jessica, I have realized that I'm mostly attracted to very high femme girls which makes me sad because there's probably no one like this red headed goddess. :'( ❤❤❤ 💜💜💜 💙💙💙
It's cool to hear from so many other people who are disabled/have chronic illnesses such as myself. I have had JIA and uveitis since I was three years old and it has been rough. Take care all you people out there!
Amy McRae recently I've started to like feminine things again and makeup (I rlly like being pretty and in dresses now). I used to be sooo extremely tomboyish but especially after cutting my hair short it started evening out. I think it's bc I'm not butch nor femme, I'm androgynous person which means I'm both feminine and masculine at the same time
I am a femme lesbian who dresses in a vintage style myself and has 2 legal disability (even though I do not consider it as). No one suspects that I am a lesbian too because I dress so femme. I also have invisible conditions, autism and OCD. I am in desperate need of a makeup from sweet Jessica Kellgren-Fozard! And a talk about disabilities/disorders and femme intersectionality. How can I get my awesome makeover?
S Alex me too! I’m a femme lesbian who loves vintage fashion and I have two disabilities a visual impairment (no peripheral vision so I’m legally blind) and autism, we’re pretty similar xx
This conversation is really helping me think about some important things. I have been house dependent and chronically ill for almost 5 years now. I've always struggled with my mental and physical health, but 5 years ago my body totally gave up and I never recovered. In terms of what this does to my gender/style presentation, the truth is I have no energy for it. Everything is hard and clothing HAS TO BE comfortable so I have no extra stress or discomforts. I'm working towards incorporating more color and different accessories so that I feel more "me" but I don't even know who that is anymore. I don't even know how I want to look and I am trying to figure out on a daily basis what is even possible. Thank you for helping me think about the intersectionality of my identities.
It's interesting. If I was born in a period more suited to my fashion sense I would be dead. But my fashion tastes are too historical. It's really interesting the intersect between disability and fashion. I can't get shoes that suite my style or okay sensory wise. I can't express myself the way I want. As a sex repulsed dress loving asexual I was a we bit confused
I’m very much the same- my personal style usually sits between 1890-1910. With a bit of earlier history bounding as well (the secret is to wear the working class looks of each era. Not only because they usually don’t have the full on skirt supports that definitely don’t fit in my wheelchair, but also because they tend to slide under the radar a bit more). So some medieval to Tudor kirtles, an 1860 work dress, an 18th working woman outfit in more muted colours.... And when people say “oh don’t you wish you were born back then?” No! I’m gay and disabled, I would not fare well! Also, in this time period I have the ability to wear clothes form whatever other eras o like, whereas back in those times I would be confined to only what was the accepted style. That’s no fun at all! Vintage fashion, not vintage values. Or for me- historical fashion, not historical values.
Subbed! I find that everyone Jessica does videos with are A+ people and very calming to watch. I could sit here for hours and listen to this conversation. Edit: I'm aware that this is Rowan's channel, her video showed up on my feed.
ItsRadishTime is it weird that seeing you say “hard femme” .... just made me realize that that’s me. I know I’m not masc, or androgynous, but I’m not verrry femme. Hard femme just clickssssss thank you!
@@Kris_Phoenixx I had the same thing!! I was only talking to my friend about how I don't really fit in the "femme", "androgynous", "butch" or whatever labels. Hard femme makes sense!
I totally agree about the marginalized identities thing... having to know ourselves in a way that straight ppl take for granted. Growing up bisexual, undiagnosed adhd (until adulthood), clinically depressed and anxious.. I never understood why my peers weren’t doing deep dives into their souls (lol) but I’m sure this had a lot to do with it Lol love the laser focus in rowans eyes as Jessica is putting the eyeliner on Omg I’m gonna edit this comment so many times... Rowan you can totally pull off a 1920’s makeup look or even a 1930’s look!
Hi Rowan! I’m a YA librarian that found your stuff through your queerbaiting videos, and I find your stuff fascinating! Thank you! I’ll be recommending your channel to my library kids!
I think I want to try one high femme look, just to see what it would look like! My style is very jeans-and-tees, and I have a lot of nerd wear. That wasn't a goal- it just happened that way. But when I go out in public, I tend to go very femme with my makeup. My glasses are very femme, with like half winged upper-outer edges. I was told by my former girlfriend that having femme makeup and tomboy/laid-back clothes kind of works with my sexual identity of being pansexual, but maybe she was just trying to compliment me (?). I don't know. Watching this video makes me want to try full-on femme, with the dress and all. Both of you ladies look amazing! Rowan, I loved both your before and after looks. The blue just seems so natural with you, despite blue being a bottle color. I have a purple-to-red ombre, when I dye my hair, with my natural highlights on the ends of my long hair. I haven't dyed my hair since around the holidays though because of Covid-19 buying crazes making the supplies go short. Thanks for posting this video, ladies! It was really inspiring, both your conversation and how normalizing being gay was in your dialogue, and for seeing both of you in high femme looks! I really do want to try it now!
This is soooo helpful for me. I’m in a wheelchair with POTS, fibromyalgia and ME/CFS and I’m poly, and I’m bisexual, and I’m non-binary and I’m a witch. I dress very unique to accommodate my wheelchair lifestyle plus I embrace my witchy beliefs and try to showcase my non-binary part too. It’s a lot to juggle so people assume I’m crazy or it makes them uncomfortable.
I am married to a man but I am quite masculine and often people think I am a lesbian. Identity is such an interesting subject. Cannot wait to hear more and if your ever in Wales feel free to pop by
I don’t know why I’ve only just seen this, five years later, but it’s lovely to see two of my favourite lesbian UA-camrs together, and that was a fab makeover! 🥰
I identify as a femme lesbian, but I don't wear makeup on a daily basis. I'm not very good at it and I don't like having it on, so I only wear it for special occasions. I also keep my hair very short, and have even shaved my head twice because I got sick of having hair. Despite this, I still see myself as very feminine. I love wearing dresses and skirts, I love bright colors, I love flowers, I love polka dots, and I love being pretty and graceful. Even though I'm not what most people see as traditionally feminine, femme still feels like the right label for me.
This kind of reminds me of someone in my class but she had kind of a meh feeling about the labels and doesn't really care like she's a lesbian and that's enough but she also came to the conclusion that she'd say she leans more towards femme
I can relate a lot to Jessica saying she felt like she didn’t have another choice in terms of clothing. I wear long skirts a lot, just because I like them, not because I feel pressured to wear them. I’ve gotten to the point where I’m not really comfortable in pants now. The last time I wore pants in public was for disguise day, which would take more explaining than I feel like doing right now. Also, for some reason some people seem to think I’m wearing skirts because of religion, my sister’s bus driver asked her if I wore dresses because of my church, and it was really weird. I’ve had some weird interactions because of my clothing…
Thank you for high femme representation! As a high femme bisexual Demi romantic, I feel generally not seen or validated for my gender expression. Lovely video!
This was great. I've been thinking about femininity a lot lately. I have a very complicated relationship with it. I've always hated the way that my long hair and certain aspects of my style and taste get me labeled as feminine when they don't feel feminine to me. And also the way that feeling feminine weirdly isn't the same thing as feeling like a woman for me. I would love to do one of these with you but alas I am a tiny youtuber and in the middle of nowhere in Canada! But still, lovely to watch!
it's funny how Jess says people are drawn away from her, because if I was in a room with her and a bunch of average people, I'd instantly be drawn to her
Jessica is just stunning. I have my own style myself which incorporates gothic, punk, steampunk, hippie/Wicca/pagan and when I'm having a girly day (rare vintage rockabilly. I admire anyone who dares to be different. I have Asperger's and dyspraxia so I stand out no matter what so I may as well stand out in style.
at 6:45 the subtitles are off, she says "cages for your legs??" thank you for your hard work providing subtitles! mistakes happen and it's not a big deal, but I thought it was a funny joke and found it a shame that the punchline was lost
it's really interesting watching this now when i have an awareness of how i like to dress and wear makeup (giant eyeliner) everyday compared to when i first watched this when i still had some not-like-other-girls feelings about makeup from not having figured out that i wasn't a girl. i also find it interesting how since having figured out i'm transmasc i wear makeup and more feminine clothes but my feelings around it are completely different to what they used to be. basically femininity is fun and interesting and i still love it
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"Firstly, I dress for myself. Secondly, I dress for women. Thirdly, I attract no one." 😂
I want this on a tshirt!!
JESSICA, MAKE THE MERCH!
Such a good line
Preech! Relatable!
A mood
hearing another woman say "my wife" makes me feel so happy and relieved
Same 😊
Feblik bro just mind your own business? Watch other UA-cam videos, read other comments, move on. We don’t care if you think it’s ridiculous because it has nothing to do with you.
@Feblik Marriage is a social construct, so if a construct is changed or challenged or appended then the definition for that construct also changes. To say something is not real marriage is inherently false because there is no strict definition of marriage. If you don't like gay marriage, don't get gay married
For some reason, when I have clients on the phone, I more often hear men saying "my husband", but that is nice too.
I love how Jessica is slowly giving every lesbian youtuber a high femme makeover!
She is indeed the queen of high femme
Black Knight Fool what?
Black Knight Fool Uh,what?
strange æons high femme makeover when
Nobody tells men or mascs "you wouldn't dress that way if you weren't told to!" The policing itself is misogyny, too!
Yeah I think the implication is that masculine coded dress is neutral, which is obviously not the case. It'd be awesome for femme people and for masculine people if we could move past that.
But how many males would like to dress like Jessica, but don't because of internalised sexism and a certainty that they will be negatively judged? I think the policing works both ways; objecting on one side and preventing on the other.
Caryn Gibson I'm so sorry that happened! I hope you've had better run ins with feminists since then.
@@recklessroges i'm transmasc and i would love to dress high femme daily, but i'm rlly insecure.
@KStarI mean I'd disagree with that at least on a protective level....as someone large chested not wearing a bra can fucking HURT
I think a lot of discussions about choice & femininity suffer from a lack of nuance, as if either "femininity is entirely a choice women make and there are no social pressures and no reason to criticize the beauty industry" OR "women have no agency and exist only as victims of the patriarchy", when it's so much more complex than that. The beauty INDUSTRY revolves around amplifying women's insecurities to sell more products, but that doesn't mean women who wear makeup or enjoy beauty are stupid or weak or must be insecure, but that you need to be critical of the beauty industry like any other industry. Many women DO feel pressured into femininity and wearing makeup, and those women discussing their struggles doesn't mean they're inherently putting other women down.
I see discussions where people talk as if women who wear makeup are dumb and fragile and insecure, but also, as a woman who is unfeminine and doesn't wear makeup, I personally felt a LOT of pressure to conform to feminine standards and wear makeup and dresses etc, but sometimes I feel like I can't discuss it or try to empower other women who are experiencing what I did, without being accused of putting women who wear makeup down, when I didn't even mention them.
The truth is social standards & pressures and individual choices aren't the same...individual choices are influenced by the former but they're influenced by other things as well. And you can say that the social pressure for women to wear makeup is misogynist without meaning the only reason any woman would want to wear makeup is internalized misogyny, because individual choices are still individual choices.
I agree with you so much!
"that doesn't mean women who wear makeup or enjoy beauty are stupid or weak or must be insecure"
One only has to look up youtube channels to see lots of intelligent, confident women with a well-founded opinion who also like to wear make-up.
For example, Lindsay Ellis always wears bold lipstick colors.
Jenny Nicholson has a prominent eye lid line.
And Queen Contra goes all the way out.
Yes to all af this! More nuance please!
Wow, this was a really good post. Thank you. :)
Agh this is an insanely good comment! I agree so much:))
Well put
Seriously though when I was younger and found out about other sexualities I thought gay men would be super manly and women super feminine like to me that made so much sense so what Jessica said really made sense
Same
@Black Knight Fool
Hold up I've seen this dude on another UA-cam video
Fuckin anti-sjws everywhere...
Oh, lovely, ableism.
Haven't seen that in almost an hour.
same
Jessica: You put it on the areas where you blush.
Me: *applies blush to entire face*
Amity Blight realness thoooo
As a redhead…this checks out.
"They'll talk to the person I'm with."
FFS... Why is it that so many people see physical disability, and think "oh, you poor dear!" like the person is a child.
I think I'm starting to recognize Jessica's expression of "I'm a deaf person and am definitely not picking up on everything your saying but I'm just going to smile through this." I'm really happy to see her collabing though since it helps to spread awareness on the variety of topics she is knowledgeable about. Very happy to see her on this channel.
This actually made me teary with the talk of how you look effecting treatment. I've had panic attacks about whether or not i should present as i am or spend precious energy dolling up to see doctors so I make a good impression. :(
I so identify with the feminine but not girly! I got so upset when some friends from my childhood made fun of me for being "girly" as an adult when I hated that word when I was a child. High femme is feminine, and it doesn't have to be girly :)
I feel the same and I feel it's almost because the term girly is meant to be dismissive or like used to put you down so we have the reaction of being eew about being called girly cause it's so much more than that.
I didn't want to be girly when I was younger either so I threw out all my pink. I still dressed femininely, and I still do. I hate being girly, but I like dressing feminine
Emilie Smith I like girly and cute clothes and sophisticated feminine clothes- I don’t think girly is insulting
My biggest issue with the word girly is that it's used as an antonym to manly. If there's one thing I hate it's when women are girls while men remain adults.
Hobbled into the ER last month with vertigo *after* getting all dolled up and JESSICA IS RIGHT. You also get better treatment if you are not fat. As I have already wasted away, I am both *incredibly* salty and suitably 'thin' enough to not "just need to lose a few pounds". I say that jokingly, but I mean...
Owletaceg god it’s soo true! I have a genetic disability but every time I have anything happen related to my disability I get a weight chat 🙄
@@bblovesyou1 I once went to the doctor with a cold and mild fever and after being prescribed medicine I got the weight chat AGAIN UGH
And then people wonder why I only go when I'm on my last leg, like fam, they're just going to tell me to lose weight and send me away.
@@DianaKaulitzListing It's the opposite for underweight people. I'm very underweight and yet not a single doctor will talk about it even though it could show that my heamth issues are causing to literally waste away
Some doctors really need to reevaluate their priorities
@@furmidable5498 i've lost 20% of my body weight but somehow that's not a problem? like dudes i'm literally starving would you maybe do something about this...and i've been begging for a feeding tube for half a year
rowan always gave off an elegant magical library goer feel to me tbh!
HAHA YES
I love how you talked about being overlooked by doctors because of being deaf, they always do that to my granny when I take her to her apointments and I respond by telling them to talk to her slowly and enunciate. With the covid crisis I now go behind them and translate to sign language. You all deserve your doctors talking to you!!!!
Jessica is like the Jonathan Van Ness of UA-cam
I love it
Now I want a meeting between the two of them!
Yaaaas
OMG YESSS
Valeria Vagapova he’s from a show called queer eye on netflix. It’s a show about 5 gay men who do makeover for (usually) other men. Jonathan does like hair and I think sort of makeup kinda skincare stuff I thiiink
OMG you’re so right! Now that you’ve put that in my head that’s all I’ll think about
The way Jessica talks about jeans reminds me of Tahani from the good place.
This video was great!
Jessica is a witch. HOW can she get your hair SO perfect?
I guess its because she is magic?
One tip with hair pins - the more you put in, the less stable your creation will be. I know it's weird and feels utterly counterintuitive, but if you practice a little, using fewer pins does work.
Firstly, adding some teasing to the base of the hair you’re about to pin means that the pins have some texture to hold on to- this is the major issue a lot of people with straight hair have. Their hair is slippery and doesn’t hold pins well.
That being said, I’ve found that I have to tease a lot less, and sometimes not at all, because my hair is curly, and so already has enough texture for pins to stick to.
But texture is the solution. And practice. Loads of practice.
So glad y'all came together to make this video! It's always empowering to see other femme lesbians living their best lives. Being a nonbinary lesbian and the futch/stem icon I am, femininity and makeup are my passions, but they also keep people relatively uncertain of my identities. It has its benefits and pitfalls, but there no need to change for people who don't bother to see. Thanks for creating support and comradery for the global community
The way Jessica talks about make up is how I feel about shaving my legs and underarms. I don’t always do it, I don’t have to do it-but I like to do it.
I've watched a few different videos of Jessica making up other people now, & they always give me such nostalgia for older girls doing my makeup for theatre in high school.
Since discovering Jessica, she's opened up a whole new treasure chest of awesome people to me, such as you, Rowan! Happily subscribed!
I think my style might be as bisexual as myself. One day I'll wear wide-legged pants and a button up short + bowtie, next day I'll wear a 50s dress and petticoat.
Genderfluid? ^^
Not quite, I have never had any doubts about my gender. I'm 100% a woman. Who just so happens to also like dressing like a man, because my lord, does suits look tight.
V Str More like Fluid gender expression.
truth
Me too. I am proud of being a woman. But since i was young, I like wearing simple clothes. Like jeans and a T shirt. But I don't hate if I have to wear a dress. Also, until 16 I thought I was straight. But now I think I am bi
I really love that contrast of the red lipstick with your blue hair, the whole thing is SO CUTE
You are two of my favourite people!!! 💕 Love the idea of a series about femme identities too!
Rowan is a robot!! No blushing, and no blinking when Jessica was putting on her eyeliner?!? The talent! 🤖
LITERALLY my entire being blushes regularly. When Rowan's fringe was pinned back I was like who is this person?!
I really like the look ♥ tbf I always like Rowan's look.
As a femme gay male, I often have my intelligence doubted and/or ignored by a large swathe of people. I dress in super preppy pastel or kawaii styles with lots of florals and pink because it makes me SO happy. I've always wanted to dress the way I do now and I've only recently come to terms with being on the nonbinary spectrum. There is definitely a lot of misogyny attached to how people dismiss me and what I have to say because of my femme attributes that goes FAR beyond typical homophobia at least In the US where I'm at. I feel like the true strength of High Femme is daring to embrace those tiny delicacies of life in SPITE of the patriarchal structures that hold anything feminine or feminine grouped as lesser. Been loving the points brought up on your channel!
i love this SO much. the two of you seem so incredibly genuine and sweet and have an incredible rapport together. youtube needs more lesbian-driven content like this!!
Very thankful I saved watching this video for a day when my body gave up on me and I'm stuck in bed. Unsurprisingly bed days are best spent with other disabled femme youtubers.
Rowan, you look stunning! The pin curls are really cute! I love how positive Jessica is, she exudes so much joy and love, and I will forever appreciate people taking the time and effort to help others accentuate their best features. 😍
5:27 As an ambulatory wheelchair user, OH MY GOD. People act like I'm NOT EVEN THERE!!!
Jessica's dress is AMAZING! What a great color on her!
It's always a little weird to notice how people treat you differently based on how you look. But, once you start noticing, it's pretty easy to start using it to your advantage.
Also, I've noticed that while the way I dress is affected by my general mood, the way I dress directly impacts the way I behave, the way I move and talk and think. It's all still me, but I suppose a different, say, facet of me. I'm curious to know if other people have noticed this?
totall get you because I always feel like I talk a lot more confidently and eloquently when im in make up and nice clothes but also act more modestly, it's really interesting, i think part of it is that im proud of the fact that I like used my creativity and energy to make something new of my image if that makes sense, but still pressured to "act feminine"? and it goes other way too when i dress nice but in a more gender neutral or masculine way , i also feel more powerful but also more excitable and silly, I don't know it's confidence in different ways. I think I'm most comfortable acting like a fool when I don't dress feminine because I feel like I don't need to match my personality to look put together
If you consider the femme aspects of my style femme enough (bc ahh dysphoria is weird?), I would dang love to?! Wtf is even my femme? Soft punk femme? Artsy femme? Tomboy femme? Open to suggestions here! Haha! Also I out loud yellled "YASSS QUEEN!" at your makeover reveal!
omg you are so Soft punk femme - disney collabbb????
@@HeyRowanEllis yesss!! Yay!!
My style is "androgynous, vaguely feminine man female with lots of bright colour and white"...I think. I don't give myself a label because I can't find one that sums it up XD
Just because of Jessica, I have realized that I'm mostly attracted to very high femme girls which makes me sad because there's probably no one like this red headed goddess. :'(
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Loving all things girly, including girls is an explanation of my sexuality that I use a lot, it was great to hear it from Jessica too! Lovely video :)
It's cool to hear from so many other people who are disabled/have chronic illnesses such as myself. I have had JIA and uveitis since I was three years old and it has been rough. Take care all you people out there!
I have the same thought process re: liking feminine things includes feminine women! lol
Amy McRae recently I've started to like feminine things again and makeup (I rlly like being pretty and in dresses now). I used to be sooo extremely tomboyish but especially after cutting my hair short it started evening out. I think it's bc I'm not butch nor femme, I'm androgynous person which means I'm both feminine and masculine at the same time
I am a femme lesbian who dresses in a vintage style myself and has 2 legal disability (even though I do not consider it as). No one suspects that I am a lesbian too because I dress so femme. I also have invisible conditions, autism and OCD. I am in desperate need of a makeup from sweet Jessica Kellgren-Fozard! And a talk about disabilities/disorders and femme intersectionality. How can I get my awesome makeover?
S Alex me too! I’m a femme lesbian who loves vintage fashion and I have two disabilities a visual impairment (no peripheral vision so I’m legally blind) and autism, we’re pretty similar xx
This conversation is really helping me think about some important things. I have been house dependent and chronically ill for almost 5 years now. I've always struggled with my mental and physical health, but 5 years ago my body totally gave up and I never recovered. In terms of what this does to my gender/style presentation, the truth is I have no energy for it. Everything is hard and clothing HAS TO BE comfortable so I have no extra stress or discomforts. I'm working towards incorporating more color and different accessories so that I feel more "me" but I don't even know who that is anymore. I don't even know how I want to look and I am trying to figure out on a daily basis what is even possible. Thank you for helping me think about the intersectionality of my identities.
I wish that more people would discuss this.
It's interesting. If I was born in a period more suited to my fashion sense I would be dead. But my fashion tastes are too historical. It's really interesting the intersect between disability and fashion. I can't get shoes that suite my style or okay sensory wise. I can't express myself the way I want. As a sex repulsed dress loving asexual I was a we bit confused
ayyyyyyyy /finger waggling of historical fashion-wearing spoonie ace solidarity
I’m very much the same- my personal style usually sits between 1890-1910. With a bit of earlier history bounding as well (the secret is to wear the working class looks of each era. Not only because they usually don’t have the full on skirt supports that definitely don’t fit in my wheelchair, but also because they tend to slide under the radar a bit more). So some medieval to Tudor kirtles, an 1860 work dress, an 18th working woman outfit in more muted colours....
And when people say “oh don’t you wish you were born back then?” No! I’m gay and disabled, I would not fare well! Also, in this time period I have the ability to wear clothes form whatever other eras o like, whereas back in those times I would be confined to only what was the accepted style.
That’s no fun at all! Vintage fashion, not vintage values. Or for me- historical fashion, not historical values.
As a sex repulsed historical dress loving ace, hello
The number of gay brits I stan is always growing
That's vintage Rockabilly style and it suits you excellently!
Subbed! I find that everyone Jessica does videos with are A+ people and very calming to watch. I could sit here for hours and listen to this conversation.
Edit: I'm aware that this is Rowan's channel, her video showed up on my feed.
I have a normal embarrassed blush 24/7, even when I'm not embarrassed. Then, when I'm embarrassed, my whole face goes bright pink. It's wonderful.
come to new york i wanna give you a hard femme makeover
omg taylorrr yes plssssss
ItsRadishTime is it weird that seeing you say “hard femme” .... just made me realize that that’s me. I know I’m not masc, or androgynous, but I’m not verrry femme. Hard femme just clickssssss thank you!
@@Kris_Phoenixx yw! someone else called me that awhile ago and i was like OH EVERYTHING MAKES SENSE
@@Kris_Phoenixx I had the same thing!! I was only talking to my friend about how I don't really fit in the "femme", "androgynous", "butch" or whatever labels. Hard femme makes sense!
ItsRadishTime can someone explain hard femme to me please, I’ve not heard that terminology.
How am I just seeing this two of my favorite UA-camrs in one video.
The lip color compliments the hair color so well!
Honestly vintage high femme is an awesome aesthetic that I stan
I totally agree about the marginalized identities thing... having to know ourselves in a way that straight ppl take for granted. Growing up bisexual, undiagnosed adhd (until adulthood), clinically depressed and anxious.. I never understood why my peers weren’t doing deep dives into their souls (lol) but I’m sure this had a lot to do with it
Lol love the laser focus in rowans eyes as Jessica is putting the eyeliner on
Omg I’m gonna edit this comment so many times... Rowan you can totally pull off a 1920’s makeup look or even a 1930’s look!
LOVING the victory rolls in Rowan's blue hair
Hi Rowan! I’m a YA librarian that found your stuff through your queerbaiting videos, and I find your stuff fascinating! Thank you! I’ll be recommending your channel to my library kids!
im so glad this came up on my suggested, you are such an intelligent person with a brilliant way for words!
What a makeover! I think the only thing missing is some cat's eye glasses, but maybe that's just because I fucking love cat's eye glasses. 😁😁😁😁
I think I want to try one high femme look, just to see what it would look like! My style is very jeans-and-tees, and I have a lot of nerd wear. That wasn't a goal- it just happened that way. But when I go out in public, I tend to go very femme with my makeup. My glasses are very femme, with like half winged upper-outer edges. I was told by my former girlfriend that having femme makeup and tomboy/laid-back clothes kind of works with my sexual identity of being pansexual, but maybe she was just trying to compliment me (?). I don't know. Watching this video makes me want to try full-on femme, with the dress and all. Both of you ladies look amazing! Rowan, I loved both your before and after looks. The blue just seems so natural with you, despite blue being a bottle color. I have a purple-to-red ombre, when I dye my hair, with my natural highlights on the ends of my long hair. I haven't dyed my hair since around the holidays though because of Covid-19 buying crazes making the supplies go short. Thanks for posting this video, ladies! It was really inspiring, both your conversation and how normalizing being gay was in your dialogue, and for seeing both of you in high femme looks! I really do want to try it now!
This is soooo helpful for me. I’m in a wheelchair with POTS, fibromyalgia and ME/CFS and I’m poly, and I’m bisexual, and I’m non-binary and I’m a witch. I dress very unique to accommodate my wheelchair lifestyle plus I embrace my witchy beliefs and try to showcase my non-binary part too. It’s a lot to juggle so people assume I’m crazy or it makes them uncomfortable.
I am married to a man but I am quite masculine and often people think I am a lesbian. Identity is such an interesting subject. Cannot wait to hear more and if your ever in Wales feel free to pop by
Jessica has such a catchy smile I find myself smiling while watching this.
Okay, now I really want Jessica to get a modern femme makeover :-D
I absolutely love high femme. High femme lesbians are the most powerful force in the world
Discovered your channels separately and at different times and then find out you did a video together. How awesome!
I have to say, listening to both of you talk is so calming. I would love some more of this.
Im a high femme boi, my style and makeup is a turn off for guys but it makes me happy.
I love her look so much I cant even begin to describe it.
rowan pls let me do you up as a power femme
This is a really cool idea for a series and a really interesting way to explore different experiences as their intersection with appearance :)
I could see you taking inspiration from the 1920's in style. This is an infectious, smile inducing video.
I don’t know why I’ve only just seen this, five years later, but it’s lovely to see two of my favourite lesbian UA-camrs together, and that was a fab makeover! 🥰
The blue hair is EVERYTHING
Jessica is so beautiful and gentle. I could watch her gracefully move around all day.
I just adore high femme and that sort of 50's style is just so pretty!
I identify as a femme lesbian, but I don't wear makeup on a daily basis. I'm not very good at it and I don't like having it on, so I only wear it for special occasions. I also keep my hair very short, and have even shaved my head twice because I got sick of having hair. Despite this, I still see myself as very feminine. I love wearing dresses and skirts, I love bright colors, I love flowers, I love polka dots, and I love being pretty and graceful. Even though I'm not what most people see as traditionally feminine, femme still feels like the right label for me.
This kind of reminds me of someone in my class but she had kind of a meh feeling about the labels and doesn't really care like she's a lesbian and that's enough but she also came to the conclusion that she'd say she leans more towards femme
It's such a delight to see you two collab !
Great video, can't wait to watch the next instalments in the series
I haven't watch the video yet but this is the collab I didn't knew I needed
Could not be more thrilled about this series.
Okay, the blue victory rolls are AMAZING!!!!!! Even just on their own would be amazing!
What a wonderful video! Thank you both so much!
I just found your channel and I am like how am I just finding this!! Thank you Jessica for bringing me here. I am so happy to be here 😊
Im loving seeing you pop up on other channels and having collabs with other youtubers i'm so happy i found you a year or two ago
absolutely adored this video!!! i'm so excited for your new series x
OMG!!! I have been following her on Insta for the longest time but I didn't know she was disabled!!! I'm checking her out right away.
ahh im so happy you're doing a series on the femme identity I'm really looking forward to that 💕
Jess: hi
Interviewer: dO MY MAKEUP
I love Jessica !!! I just discovered Rowan, and I’m so happy she collaborated with Jessica !!! 😃
I can relate a lot to Jessica saying she felt like she didn’t have another choice in terms of clothing. I wear long skirts a lot, just because I like them, not because I feel pressured to wear them. I’ve gotten to the point where I’m not really comfortable in pants now. The last time I wore pants in public was for disguise day, which would take more explaining than I feel like doing right now. Also, for some reason some people seem to think I’m wearing skirts because of religion, my sister’s bus driver asked her if I wore dresses because of my church, and it was really weird. I’ve had some weird interactions because of my clothing…
I really love the little white bow in her hair, it's so cute!
Thank you for high femme representation! As a high femme bisexual Demi romantic, I feel generally not seen or validated for my gender expression. Lovely video!
The glasses really do add to the makeup!!
Rowen's hair at the end looks like little blue roses at the end! It's so pretty and I'm obsessed😍
This was great. I've been thinking about femininity a lot lately. I have a very complicated relationship with it. I've always hated the way that my long hair and certain aspects of my style and taste get me labeled as feminine when they don't feel feminine to me. And also the way that feeling feminine weirdly isn't the same thing as feeling like a woman for me. I would love to do one of these with you but alas I am a tiny youtuber and in the middle of nowhere in Canada! But still, lovely to watch!
jessica is legit one of the most beautiful women ever. jesus christ
her fair skin, ginger hair and the vaguely oriental emerald eyes, the pleasant upward tilt to her features...such a unique look
it's funny how Jess says people are drawn away from her, because if I was in a room with her and a bunch of average people, I'd instantly be drawn to her
"I don't wear makeup cause I need it" reminds me of that vine "well I don't have to wipe my ass either, but it is like a preference of mine"
@KStar I know that it's just a joke dude..
Jessica is just stunning. I have my own style myself which incorporates gothic, punk, steampunk, hippie/Wicca/pagan and when I'm having a girly day (rare vintage rockabilly. I admire anyone who dares to be different. I have Asperger's and dyspraxia so I stand out no matter what so I may as well stand out in style.
She looks like a beautiful gay Disney princess I love her style and that being said Disney needs to take notes here’s their next character
I just really loved this. Keep talking I need more!
I have never seen Jessica before but my actual sweet Queen I am in love
at 6:45 the subtitles are off, she says "cages for your legs??" thank you for your hard work providing subtitles! mistakes happen and it's not a big deal, but I thought it was a funny joke and found it a shame that the punchline was lost
it's really interesting watching this now when i have an awareness of how i like to dress and wear makeup (giant eyeliner) everyday compared to when i first watched this when i still had some not-like-other-girls feelings about makeup from not having figured out that i wasn't a girl. i also find it interesting how since having figured out i'm transmasc i wear makeup and more feminine clothes but my feelings around it are completely different to what they used to be. basically femininity is fun and interesting and i still love it
The eye make up really makes your eyes look lovely.