Not to mention Ghost in the Shell which, when given a strong female lead to start with they still found a way to botch and make her just another WAHMEN. If they had done her just like she was in the manga they would've had a film 10 times better and it would've cost them the same amount to make it as the one they DID make.
Here is the difference between a social activist and a SJW. One says "there is no ramp for wheelchair people! Let's build one!" Here is a SJW "let's shame the people who can walk!" Not sure if it has to do with the video, but the point still stands.
Good films make more money than bad. Doesn't matter who the lead is. Scripts have the most impact on how good a movie is. Garbage article by male feminists.
Plenty of shitty movies make obscene amounts of money. Just ask Michael Bay and the Transformers series. Writing is where movies start, but it is possible to turn a weaker script into an awesome movie.
@@Wade_Fucking_Wilson Batman Begins was the first in a new trilogy. Spider-Cringe 3 was one of the most anticipated movies of the year. Don't forget to look at the Dark Knight sequels and how much money those made...
@@SapiaNt0mata Last Jedi was a disgrace and slap in the face to SW and making a likable hero/savior like Luke into a titty milk drinking asshole hermit who resents himself/Jedi, bad move like Alien 3
This is why I joined the army Jeremy! Because I’m tired of my entertainment being ruined by politics and I want to save the next generation from indoctrination!
It looks like Nerdist ignored Ghostbusters 2016 and Ocean's 8, both films with female leads that failed financially. But that's the way these people think. They pick and choose whatever statistics support their argument, leading to extreme bias. Is any news outlet, mainstream or not, immune to this virus of identity politics?
Rodyn Zhaku Not in today’s day in age. People will be talking about identity politics for years and eventually it’ll go away but the more people talk about it the longer it lives.
SJW's are a problem in all facets of society it seems. Education, news entertainment, and even science. So long as there are SJW's that will report on their own bias rather than hard facts, picking out the details they want to hear, then we will have to FORCE them to be honest. Speak openly with truth, and offer them only closed wallets. Give them no quarter in society. Then send them running for their safe spaces to have a good cry and a cocoa... Luke warm of course.
ĀŁ3X Ś!DË_PĮÑGÅŠ Equestria Girls was a completely stupid idea, and I hate how it has plagued My Little Pony by continuing this long! Even Lauren Faust hates it, for Pete’s sake! If you want the perfect example of character development in MLP, besides Twilight? Princess Luna.
@@adriansmith1947 The entire Resident Evil series made 1.2B gross. Considering what they spent making the films, over 285 mil and the marketing would be about 1.5 times production, it looks like they spent 560-700 million. It does not look like they made much money (20 minimum and a maximum of 140), over about 20 years. The last film was the highest grossing. grossed 26 million in the US and 285 million WW with 160 million coming from China. The box office was weaker but similarly distributed for other films in the series.
@@adriansmith1947 The Resident Evil franchise? You mean the movie series with the most blatant Mary Sue in cinema history? To the point where they neutered characters from the actual game because Paul Anderson can't let anyone overshadow his wife?
Finn's role had a lot of potential but turned into the token black guy for comic relief. Poe was downgraded to a verbal punching bag for captain gender studies. Rey = mary sue. Rose Tico falls in love with Finn in a timespan of 2 hours? WTF...... DJ = I can break out of this cell at any time but i waited in here for you to show up before i did it. (this is my most hated character in the entire film) TLJ just needs wiped from cannon.
Reality doesn't give a shit about this research. Normal people don't care about the gender of the protagonist of a movie: they just want good stories with awesome characters. Deal with it, NPCist.
This is why i stick to my classic & some new things. People needs to keep fighting I'm seriously sick of Sjw nonsense & everything that need's to be Live Action.
Ive been watching reruns of King of quesns, Seinfeld, breaking bad, etc. on my free time for 15 years, i know its sad but tv today is utter garbage. Although there are a few new good shows, but mostly on History and nat geo or TNT, Fox shows are kinda good, i really like the new seasons of Gotham. I dont pay for Netflix anymore, its garbage, UA-cam is pretty much all i need nowadays.
Yes live action remakes of Disney classics like Beauty and Beast, Lion King and Aladdin are soulless passionless moneygrabs that are flat and lifeless compared to their classic originals which are classics of animation
Didn't venom,spiderman homecoming,thor ragnarok surpass wonder woman? And it was the first female lead superhero in the last two decades give or take. Didn't ocean 8 made less money overall than any other ocean film? I suppose these and many other examples are exceptions.
Right, I'm a young black man. I don't watch movies nor shows because there's a black person in there or there are black people. I watch it for the story not because someone looks like me.
Star Wars has killed all the original lead characters. The replacement characters are underdeveloped. Also, Wonder Woman was Captain America with a female lead; Someone comes into super powers, uses a shield in a World War, and a woman loses a man named Steve because he dies in an airplane disaster. Still a good movie, and I'm still pissed that they made her a goddess instead of just letting her be a great warrior/person that gains super power from her armor.
so to believe this study you would have to believe that these movies would have done worse if they had male leads. the star wars franchise was bound to make a billion regardless of who was in the leading role and wonder woman was bound to make tons of money as well so long as the writing was good which it was. not to mention the only reason solo flopped was because of the last jedi and had pretty much nothing to do with solo itself. we know this because nobody went to see solo in the first place meaning nobody was willing to even give it a shot. if it failed on its own merits it would have had a good opening weekend then a sudden drop as reviews came in.
Solo also suffered from one of the writers going on social media and screaming about Lando's sexuality a week before release. I somehow doubt that the parents of those '8 year old girls' Kennedy claimed they were making the films for would be minded to take their 8 year old to see something with sexual content. I just can't imagine many parents wanting to sit down and explain sexuality to their kids. Assuming they even knew what a 'pansexual' was. Most probably assumed it involved sex with equipment found in a kitchen.
By this articles logic Solo failed because it did NOT have a female lead. So if we fast forward several years to when Disney completely remakes the entire Star Wars saga, the most logical thing they can do to make it MORE successful is to cast a women for the part of Han. Then Leia will become her lesbian love interest, while Lando supplies the genetic material for Ben Solo to be born by way of surrogacy. The Millennium Falcon will then get a rainbow paintjob instead of blue, and just to check off all the boxes they will rechristen it the Eon Sparrow. They're gonna BLOW THE LID off the box office with that one!!!
"so to believe this study you would have to believe that these movies would have done worse if they had male leads." Yes! A-ha! Thank you! To reach a scientific conclusion, you need scientific controls. But reproducible conditions are impossible. No one is going to watch a movie with a male lead and then the same movie with a female lead and say what they like or would pay for more. They saw the movie once! They're not going to see it again. There's no scientific reproducibility.
DID THE FORCE AWAKENS MAKE ALL THAT MONEY BECAUSE THERE WAS A FEMALE LEAD CHARACTER.... OR WAS IT BECAUSE MARK HAMILL CARRIE FISHER AND HARRISON FORD WERE IN THIS MOVIE, AND IT WAS THE FIRST STAR WARS MOVIE IN YEARS? YOU DECIDE.
One of the main reasons why I was excited to see The Force Awakens was because the original cast was returning and because it was the first Star Wars film in years. I liked The Force Awakens at first, but after I watched The Last Jedi I was VERY DISAPPOINTED!!! And now I realize that The Force Awakens is very flawed and the Sequel Trilogy is garbage as a whole. And then I realized The Force Unleashed games weren't Canon anymore and that just pissed me off, so there's many reasons why I don't like Disney Star Wars and why I'm mad at them.
It's arguments like these that reveal the kind of thinking that is going on. They simply don't get it. Until they do nothing will ever get fixed. I used to run into this type of problem all the time with my exwife. I would be having one conversation but in her mind she's having another conversation. They simply arn't listening. Plain and simple. You can't fix stupid.
Great video Jeremy! Episode 7 squandered the automatic audience that was on its way following ROTJ. Ultimately people want good stories and good characters who fit into stories. They seem to forget that Princess Leia and Padme and Gal Gadot's Wonderwoman are all strong characters in fantastic stories. Rey is not a proper character and her story is not stimulating. Princess Leia and Mulan are genuinely incredible characters. Development. Genuine awesomeness. Take Detective Foley in Beverly Hills Cop - again a great character. Jackie Chan's Detective Lee in Rush Hour - great character. I think Naomi Scott would have been a better female protagonist than Daisy Ridley (who seems arrogant) playing Kira Skywalker in a proper set of Star Wars sequels. Oh yes, forgot to mention other great female characters (on the movie and TV screen) - Aayla Secura, Adia Gallia, Shaak Ti, Ahsoka Tano. Also I just wanted to share an old BBC video I found with Mark Hamil, he makes Star Wars sound so beautiful. ua-cam.com/video/RDZZDmEyKIM/v-deo.html It is sad that gone is the grandeur of Star Wars with the likes of the new artificial characters.
Your are so nice dude. Ray was always a Mary Sue! Them deflecting and screaming sexist don’t change their incompetence in writing a decent character. And no I don’t have to like or endure Captain Marvel or ... which is the point of this bull ! I’m not going to see it simply because I will not pay to be preached to or have the men I love put down because women 🤦🏾♀️
Rey was captured in TFA by Kylo Ren. It was only after he tried to read her mind that her powers started to develop. As crazy as that is, I'm sure J.J. Abrams had a plan to explain why that happened but Rian Johnson decided to do his own thing & messed up the new trilogy.
What about Ant Man and The Wasp? I know there's a quote from some exec about how in that film, somethng like, "men succeeded purely by accident, the women won cause they were just better." I cannot for the life of me find it anymore. Did the SJW's scrub that from the interwebs? Either way, it perfectly describes how female-led movies that tread into what was previously mostly male-led films (action, superhero) are being handled. You don't have to drag the men in the cast down **cough** Star Wars **cough** in order to uplift females. They can be BA on their own.
Hollywood needs to learn to put good writing and characterisation first. Nobody cares if the characters are White, Black, Asian, Ect, Male or Female. We want characters we can relate to or empathize with. This has been proven with how good villains now a days have motivations beyond just because I'm the villain.
2:10 it is a test created some decades ago to see if a movie had valid female presence, or if they were just npcs for the men to conquer, basically, there need to be at least 2 women in the movie and they need to have at least 1 scene in which they are alone and talk about something other than men (which doesn’t really makes sense, as movies such as Tomb Raider and Alien would get classified as not having strong female representation), as a side note: in the Last Jedi, the only scene in which Leia and Holdo are “alone” they talk about what they think of Paul, and there are no other scenes with only women in it. The test it self is not woke, it originated as a measure for which writters could have some more diversity of character in their stories, it works like the “3 act structure”, it is a sugestion that should help you develop better writting and nothing more, but woke communities don’t get it and believe it mandatory for a movie or novel to follow it as a commandment, basically it shows why woke movies go wrong, they follow the “how to basic” guide by the letter, instead of taking it as a guide, and not a command
Are they kidding me?! As a female, I call major bullshit on this report. Female protagonists like Ellen Ripley, Wonder Woman, and Katniss Everdeen show female characters done right. Female protagonists like Rey, Captain Marvel, and the new female Ghostbusters characters show female characters done wrong. As you said, nowadays, they’re not even bothering to properly develop female characters like they used to. It’s like they want to hand everything to these new female characters without making them go through the natural process of struggling, working through their struggles, make them likable, and make them relatable for the audience. Along with this, they would tear the male characters down in order to elevate these female characters who haven’t truly earned anything to lead a story. It’s terrible. All characters, whether male or female, have to have proper development, balance, and structure. If they don’t, they are not truly characters. They’re just structurally unbalanced shells. I hope that somebody out there who is either a professional writer or simply likes to write stories understands this and write female characters like normal characters.
I think the NPCs have a bug in their code, since they are skipping data. Ghostbusters 2016? The Nutcracker? Oceans 8? A Wrinkle in Time? They intentionally skipped this because it didn't fit their narrative. This is literally a direct example of propaganda. Real facts: Good story writing and good characters make money.
I’m all for strong female characters, and I totally agree Wonder Woman was fantastic film and a great portrayal of a hero! I still like Rey but it’s the way she’s written that makes her so well blah! Another female character that I really don’t think gets enough attention or credit is Mad Max’s Furiosa! She was an incredible incarnation.
The last female led movie I knowingly saw in the theater was a movie called ‘Ultraviolet ‘. As for TFA, I saw it in the theater but had no idea that a woman was leading it. Bait and switch.
They posted a video Interview with Tessa Thompson talking about Toxic Masculinity. They deleted comments and eventually disabled them. This was about a week 1/2 ago.
By the way, most of Angelina's Jolie success was in movies kicking ass. I went to see both Lara Croft old movies, Mr and Mrs Smith, Wanted, Maleficent, Salt and The Turist because of Jolie kicking ass.
Women have far more disposable income than ever before. That's what Hollywood is going after. My wife and her friends go to movies and watch far more t.v. than I do. The last movie my wife and I went to together was TFA. She thought Rey was great and didn't care that Han and Luke got shat on. Of course she has no knowledge of or appreciation for Star Wars. Women are driving Hollywood like they're driving everything else. It won't get any better. All Hollywood need do is dish out strong Wamen characters in charge of "sensitive," inept, nonthreatening, "interesting" boys and females will stampede to the theater to lay their money down. Hollywood will lose their male audience but the bean counters probably have it figured as their best business move going forward.
*This is wrong, movies like Star Wars(KK) are awesome movies...* *"Rotten Soy" would never lie, their reviews are made by the most diverse and wokest people that could have been found...*
Still don't understand why we need 2 Beauty and the beast movies. Why can't they make a live action Atlantis movie? That movie is underrated and not considered a classic
Yes Atlantis is not popular but remaking the Disney animated classic is bad when they could had just adapted the original story in a different manner than doing reheated leftovers from the 90s
Looking to Underworld and Wonder woman you'd think that there are movies that don't just force womeb just because they are women. And there is also Woke Wars and Captain Feminist that just forces feminism down our throats. Even POTC my favourite movies think about replacing the iconic male lead with a woman.
Too many women being forced into TV, games, movies and comics, stop hitting us over the heads with your woke ideology as the majority of people do not want to see this, they want to see good stories.
The problem with the Bechdel test is that it doesn't take into account the quality of the film in question. A great film can fail the test. A shitty film can pass it.
I also noticed that, in *RALPH BREAKS THE INTERNET* , the climax does not have Ralph saving the day, but those fatuous Disney princesses do, who when Ralph helplessly falls, quickly make up a dress and suspend it and have him fall in it, symbolically emasculating him and setting him down in a bed in a parody of Sleeping Beauty. The message is, "Boys, don't depend on being heroic, let Grrrrrrl Power save the day! Let them take over, what will it hurt?" I want to invent a game app of KITTY MILKSHAKE FEMINIST BULLSHIT. "The Kitty drinks the milkshake. The _Feminist_ eats the _Bullshit_ !"
After reading about that Belcher test I can understand why that NPC counted the words in the Captain Marvel trailer. Nerdist is the same site that jumped all over Chris Hardwick before the facts came out. Total garbage website.
Correction - Identity politics have always ruined the entertainment industry. In fact, they ruin everything they touch. The remake of "Beauty and the Beast" has some good moments, but there's a lot of SJW crap in it.
Nobody gave a shit when the Alien films or the first two Terminator films had amazing female leads. The reason is that the creators and “journalists” weren’t pretending they were righting some historic wrong or putting men in their place.
My sentiments exactly. I loved Wonder Woman. I can already tell that Captain Marvel will be inferior to WW, due to the way Marvel has chosen to portray her.
Ocean's 11 sleeper hit with 2 sequels. Oceans 8 floundering disaster. Ghostbusters 84, big hit spawns cartoons and a sequel. Ghostbusters 2016 ass fire
Based on just the movies that are talked about in this video, I think there may be some biased in the study. Star Wars is a one of the greatest movie franchises in history. Just the name alone will net you a ton of money. Hell I wouldn't be surprised if the burlesque parody group makes more money from their Star Wars shows than they do the other titles they parody. Wonder Woman is a popular DC character and one of the core members of the Justice League, so that'll draw in a fair number of comic book people, then those who enjoy superhero movies. Plus people like Gadot's performance in Batman v Superman, so they'd go out and see her stand alone movie to see if she can hold things on her own or if she's an ensemble only type. Then you have Beauty and the Beast, which being a Disney movie will get lots of people showing up. Didn't the Jungle Book live action movie also do quite well? Then you have the upcoming Aladdin and Lion King movies which will probably get quite a bit of viewers showing up because they're both Disney movies and beloved classics. Had they done more original movies or more low key gender swap movies (Ghostbusters and Oceans come to mind), there would probably be a much different outcome. The two mentioned movies were terrible compared to the original versions. I wouldn't be surprised if the female version of What Women Want ends up being pretty bad (though the trailer did look a little amusing, I feel that their requirement of an R rating (compared to the originals PG-13 rating) may make it feel worse since an R rating doesn't automatically mean something will be better, just means they can get away with a lot more, but they don't always play it smartly, just look at some of Melissa Mccarthy's movies, they have R ratings but honestly? weren't all that good because they try way too hard to be edgy and funny only to look like idiots. Hell you could probably compare some of her movies to the (male lead) movies that they parody and find that the numbers don't favour her that much. Can female lead movies be great? Sure. When done right. As mentioned a million times, Sarah Connor and Allen Ripley, two of the most badass and well developed female characters in movie history. You can also easily add Princess Leia (even if she wasn't the lead character), Mulan, Rapunzel (and a few other Disney princesses for that matter) as well as some others that I can picture, but can't recall the movie they're from for the life of me (I blame the hour) to the list of well developed and loved female characters. All that people ask is that they're treated properly, meaning they have a back story (or at least points of reference, like we know Luke is a good pilot because another character is able to vouch for him before the battle against the Death Star instead of him simply claiming) instead of being a Mary Sue like Rey.
Notes; 1; Lawsons comments about Wrinkle in Time fail to put them in context. She wasn't concerned with the opinion of white men, as in the critics, as the film wasn't made for that demographic. 2; Of the top films between 2010-2018. The Top 5 contains only one with a female lead (The Force Awakens). The top ten has a 50/50 split. (Three of which are Star War's films, which would explain their inclusion rather than the gender of the lead) the top 20 only has 8. (Wonder Woman is actually number 16) 2a; If you exclude both the Star Wars and MCU films, on the not unreasonable assumption that they are established franchises that would have done well regardless of the leads gender, you end up with a roughly 50/50 split. 6 of the 11 remaining are male lead films, the remaining 5 have female leads.
All great points. I'd also like to know the methodology behind the "study," e.g. what is the criteria for something to be considered a "female-led" movie. For example, TFA (Rey & Finn) and Beauty and the Beast (Beauty & Beast) each arguably have two main characters, one of which is female. Are they considered female-led? Or is the top-billed star the deciding factor? In that case TFA is led by a male (Harrison Ford) and so is TLJ (Mark Hamill.) Maybe the methodology's totally legit; but I suspect that whoever conducted this study engaged in some manipulation of the critera to get desired results. As usual.
I don't care what gender the lead is. I care about acting, writing, and directing. I would like to think most people think the same. Go woke, go broke.
I don´t care if a movies lead is female if it´s well done. Wonderwoman was great. One of my favorite movies this year was Peppermint, Jennifer Garner was the perfect cast. One of my alltime favorite movies has a female lead, Aliens II.
I do not understand these highfalutin' issues so much. But I would appreciate fewer movies that are the cinematic equivalent of the T-shirt, "Boys are stupid. Throw rocks at them." ...It hurts my feelings... Besides, Ladies, to be able to throw rocks, you first have to Lift them. Do you even Lift, sis?
Actually there is probably merit to that study. "Adult" films that star two women are far more popular than ones that star a man and a woman, or so I'm told...
I'm all for movies with wahmen at the helm. If their movies can earn more money and *IF* those movies are actually any good then more power to them. I gladly welcome them. The examples cited by this "study" are really all exceptions to the rule at best and far from being the norm. It's like if I said all the Transformers movies were good based solely on how much money they earned since the first one. This is a huge part of the problem with modern "journalism"; citing studies that treat specific exceptions as if they were the prevailing reality.
Ghostbusters, Ocean 8, Lara Croft, the mummy, alice through the looking glass, Ghost in the shell? Wonder Woman improved due to word of the mouth it was good bc it opening week was not all that and her being in the JL movie did nothing for that movie. Star Wars was SW. TFA was marketed on the return of the old cast too. The only one that was sucessful was Lucy, which is the combination of an interesting plot and ScarJo kicking ass.
Does this study include Ghostbusters 2016, A Wrinkle in Time, Ocean's 8, and The Nutcracker Four Realms?
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That’s sexist to bring that up, but then again I’m a straight white male.
Not to mention Ghost in the Shell which, when given a strong female lead to start with they still found a way to botch and make her just another WAHMEN. If they had done her just like she was in the manga they would've had a film 10 times better and it would've cost them the same amount to make it as the one they DID make.
Using facts is racist!!! What kind of Trump supporting neon Nazi are you??
Womans protagonist are good when they are entertaining and interesting...
Soy Wars franchise missed that point in the most expectacular way.
Ripley from Alien best example.
@@zzygyy and Sarah Connor.
@@Onthepissmylord yup
Resident evil and underworld we great too.
Even Buffy
Here is the difference between a social activist and a SJW. One says "there is no ramp for wheelchair people! Let's build one!" Here is a SJW "let's shame the people who can walk!" Not sure if it has to do with the video, but the point still stands.
I agree
My brothers and sisters, it is true.
Happy Rey :-|
Angry Rey :-|
Smiling Rey :-|
Emotional Rey :-|
Just met a man Rey >:-|
A female Keanu Reeves, in other words.
Me: 😂
😂😂
Good films make more money than bad. Doesn't matter who the lead is. Scripts have the most impact on how good a movie is. Garbage article by male feminists.
Plenty of shitty movies make obscene amounts of money. Just ask Michael Bay and the Transformers series. Writing is where movies start, but it is possible to turn a weaker script into an awesome movie.
Batman begins made less than spider cringe 3. Guess what
@@Wade_Fucking_Wilson Batman Begins was the first in a new trilogy. Spider-Cringe 3 was one of the most anticipated movies of the year. Don't forget to look at the Dark Knight sequels and how much money those made...
@@SapiaNt0mata
Last Jedi was a disgrace and slap in the face to SW and making a likable hero/savior like Luke into a titty milk drinking asshole hermit who resents himself/Jedi, bad move like Alien 3
This is why I joined the army Jeremy! Because I’m tired of my entertainment being ruined by politics and I want to save the next generation from indoctrination!
Amen
Hooah
Rock on
It looks like Nerdist ignored Ghostbusters 2016 and Ocean's 8, both films with female leads that failed financially. But that's the way these people think. They pick and choose whatever statistics support their argument, leading to extreme bias. Is any news outlet, mainstream or not, immune to this virus of identity politics?
Rodyn Zhaku Not in today’s day in age. People will be talking about identity politics for years and eventually it’ll go away but the more people talk about it the longer it lives.
Just look at their staff.
SJW's are a problem in all facets of society it seems. Education, news entertainment, and even science. So long as there are SJW's that will report on their own bias rather than hard facts, picking out the details they want to hear, then we will have to FORCE them to be honest. Speak openly with truth, and offer them only closed wallets. Give them no quarter in society. Then send them running for their safe spaces to have a good cry and a cocoa... Luke warm of course.
@@Dcuniversefan
things don't last forever and we'll return back to when entertainment was entertainment
Sunset Shimmer from My Little Pony has more character development than Rey in star wars lmao
The great and powerful Trixie, Celestia, Big mac and granny smith also fit that bill....
True lol
@Greywolf88
*Recognition :D*
ĀŁ3X Ś!DË_PĮÑGÅŠ Equestria Girls was a completely stupid idea, and I hate how it has plagued My Little Pony by continuing this long! Even Lauren Faust hates it, for Pete’s sake!
If you want the perfect example of character development in MLP, besides Twilight? Princess Luna.
ĀŁ3X Ś!DË_PĮÑGÅŠ she’s hot in all the porns too...jk
poorly written characters to pander to idenity politics < Ellen Ripley and Sarah Conner
Don't forget the Resident Evil movie franchise
@@adriansmith1947 The entire Resident Evil series made 1.2B gross. Considering what they spent making the films, over 285 mil and the marketing would be about 1.5 times production, it looks like they spent 560-700 million. It does not look like they made much money (20 minimum and a maximum of 140), over about 20 years.
The last film was the highest grossing. grossed 26 million in the US and 285 million WW with 160 million coming from China. The box office was weaker but similarly distributed for other films in the series.
I never got the whole respect wahman vibe from those movies it was just the director pandering to his wife over honoring the source material.
@@adriansmith1947 The Resident Evil franchise? You mean the movie series with the most blatant Mary Sue in cinema history? To the point where they neutered characters from the actual game because Paul Anderson can't let anyone overshadow his wife?
How about Taarna in Heavy Metal? she's a great heroine in animation/fantasy who's was pandering to identity politics but her own character
If anyone doesn’t like Rey, they’re not sexist Lucasfilm! Everyone has a valid reason why they don’t like her!
If I could remember what her character was.
Rey doesn’t bother me as much as Finn and Poe. I can take an emotionless statue over two annoying jackasses.
Finn's role had a lot of potential but turned into the token black guy for comic relief. Poe was downgraded to a verbal punching bag for captain gender studies. Rey = mary sue. Rose Tico falls in love with Finn in a timespan of 2 hours? WTF...... DJ = I can break out of this cell at any time but i waited in here for you to show up before i did it. (this is my most hated character in the entire film)
TLJ just needs wiped from cannon.
Nerdist: A New Study Finds That Movies Starring Women Make More Money
Me: Tell that to Ghostbusters (2016) and Ocean's 8
Terminator 6 bombed and so did Charlie's Angels reboot as audiences now have standards
Reality doesn't give a shit about this research. Normal people don't care about the gender of the protagonist of a movie: they just want good stories with awesome characters. Deal with it, NPCist.
This is why i stick to my classic & some new things. People needs to keep fighting I'm seriously sick of Sjw nonsense & everything that need's to be Live Action.
Ive been watching reruns of King of quesns, Seinfeld, breaking bad, etc. on my free time for 15 years, i know its sad but tv today is utter garbage. Although there are a few new good shows, but mostly on History and nat geo or TNT, Fox shows are kinda good, i really like the new seasons of Gotham. I dont pay for Netflix anymore, its garbage, UA-cam is pretty much all i need nowadays.
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I still watch 1994 spiderman,xmen to BTAS & anime to movies from the 90's & early 2000's
Enough content to outlive anything new
Yes live action remakes of Disney classics like Beauty and Beast, Lion King and Aladdin are soulless passionless moneygrabs that are flat and lifeless compared to their classic originals which are classics of animation
Didn't venom,spiderman homecoming,thor ragnarok surpass wonder woman? And it was the first female lead superhero in the last two decades give or take. Didn't ocean 8 made less money overall than any other ocean film? I suppose these and many other examples are exceptions.
Stop speaking facts you sexist fuck
If anyone watches movie because it conforms with their identity politics, then they don't know what a good movie is.
Right, I'm a young black man. I don't watch movies nor shows because there's a black person in there or there are black people. I watch it for the story not because someone looks like me.
Star Wars has killed all the original lead characters. The replacement characters are underdeveloped.
Also, Wonder Woman was Captain America with a female lead; Someone comes into super powers, uses a shield in a World War, and a woman loses a man named Steve because he dies in an airplane disaster. Still a good movie, and I'm still pissed that they made her a goddess instead of just letting her be a great warrior/person that gains super power from her armor.
neurocell They basically made her out to be the goddess Athena. As for the rest of this, it is scary how striking the similarities are.
That Bechdel test say that Harry potter is sexiest and failed the test while as Die Hard past the test. Should say something about Bechdel lol
DrKrall Bechdal looks exactly like a man.
so to believe this study you would have to believe that these movies would have done worse if they had male leads. the star wars franchise was bound to make a billion regardless of who was in the leading role and wonder woman was bound to make tons of money as well so long as the writing was good which it was. not to mention the only reason solo flopped was because of the last jedi and had pretty much nothing to do with solo itself. we know this because nobody went to see solo in the first place meaning nobody was willing to even give it a shot. if it failed on its own merits it would have had a good opening weekend then a sudden drop as reviews came in.
Solo also suffered from one of the writers going on social media and screaming about Lando's sexuality a week before release. I somehow doubt that the parents of those '8 year old girls' Kennedy claimed they were making the films for would be minded to take their 8 year old to see something with sexual content. I just can't imagine many parents wanting to sit down and explain sexuality to their kids. Assuming they even knew what a 'pansexual' was. Most probably assumed it involved sex with equipment found in a kitchen.
By this articles logic Solo failed because it did NOT have a female lead. So if we fast forward several years to when Disney completely remakes the entire Star Wars saga, the most logical thing they can do to make it MORE successful is to cast a women for the part of Han. Then Leia will become her lesbian love interest, while Lando supplies the genetic material for Ben Solo to be born by way of surrogacy. The Millennium Falcon will then get a rainbow paintjob instead of blue, and just to check off all the boxes they will rechristen it the Eon Sparrow. They're gonna BLOW THE LID off the box office with that one!!!
@@hammerheadms To pander to gayness, Jabba the Hutt will have to be covered with dicks.
@Keep Rocking! 8 Year olds don't buy movie tickets.
Their parents buy movie tickets.
Their parents are also on social media.
"so to believe this study you would have to believe that these movies would have done worse if they had male leads."
Yes! A-ha! Thank you! To reach a scientific conclusion, you need scientific controls. But reproducible conditions are impossible. No one is going to watch a movie with a male lead and then the same movie with a female lead and say what they like or would pay for more. They saw the movie once! They're not going to see it again. There's no scientific reproducibility.
Yet again Jeremy you have spoke very well about this touchy topic and I couldn’t have said it any better 👍✊️🇮🇪
Do they watch the same movies we are. Oceans 8. Fail. Ghostbusters fail. Widows fail
You forgot wrinkle in time.
This study included Jurassic world, furious 7 and solo are “female led”, just thought you should know
Kathleen Kennedy is probably saying that Solo failed because the lead character was a white male.
Lauren Masters that makes less than sense
It’s funny cause the movies they cite are existing franchises that have big fanbases before whamen took over.
DID THE FORCE AWAKENS MAKE ALL THAT MONEY BECAUSE THERE WAS A FEMALE LEAD CHARACTER.... OR WAS IT BECAUSE MARK HAMILL CARRIE FISHER AND HARRISON FORD WERE IN THIS MOVIE, AND IT WAS THE FIRST STAR WARS MOVIE IN YEARS? YOU DECIDE.
I DID NOT WANT REY MERCHANDISE, EVEN THOUGH SHE WAS THE LEAD CHARACTER.
One of the main reasons why I was excited to see The Force Awakens was because the original cast was returning and because it was the first Star Wars film in years.
I liked The Force Awakens at first, but after I watched The Last Jedi I was VERY DISAPPOINTED!!!
And now I realize that The Force Awakens is very flawed and the Sequel Trilogy is garbage as a whole.
And then I realized The Force Unleashed games weren't Canon anymore and that just pissed me off, so there's many reasons why I don't like Disney Star Wars and why I'm mad at them.
@@BLACKHAWK-xj5bc ME TOO!
I'm sure reality disagrees.
It's arguments like these that reveal the kind of thinking that is going on. They simply don't get it. Until they do nothing will ever get fixed. I used to run into this type of problem all the time with my exwife. I would be having one conversation but in her mind she's having another conversation. They simply arn't listening. Plain and simple. You can't fix stupid.
They are listening but they don't care. It's agenda-setting, bar none.
Report by who? Never heard of them.
#justwalkaway Hollywood sucks!
I went to see Rouge One to see how they stole the Death Star plans. I didn't go see it just for Darth Vader.
Same here.
Don't forget the ghostbusters reboot, that had women in it.
Great video Jeremy! Episode 7 squandered the automatic audience that was on its way following ROTJ. Ultimately people want good stories and good characters who fit into stories. They seem to forget that Princess Leia and Padme and Gal Gadot's Wonderwoman are all strong characters in fantastic stories. Rey is not a proper character and her story is not stimulating. Princess Leia and Mulan are genuinely incredible characters. Development. Genuine awesomeness. Take Detective Foley in Beverly Hills Cop - again a great character. Jackie Chan's Detective Lee in Rush Hour - great character. I think Naomi Scott would have been a better female protagonist than Daisy Ridley (who seems arrogant) playing Kira Skywalker in a proper set of Star Wars sequels. Oh yes, forgot to mention other great female characters (on the movie and TV screen) - Aayla Secura, Adia Gallia, Shaak Ti, Ahsoka Tano. Also I just wanted to share an old BBC video I found with Mark Hamil, he makes Star Wars sound so beautiful. ua-cam.com/video/RDZZDmEyKIM/v-deo.html It is sad that gone is the grandeur of Star Wars with the likes of the new artificial characters.
I dont care if the lead is female or male.I just hate bad movies,doesnt matter what gender and TLJ was a very bad film.Plain and Simple
Your are so nice dude. Ray was always a Mary Sue! Them deflecting and screaming sexist don’t change their incompetence in writing a decent character. And no I don’t have to like or endure Captain Marvel or ... which is the point of this bull ! I’m not going to see it simply because I will not pay to be preached to or have the men I love put down because women 🤦🏾♀️
Rey was captured in TFA by Kylo Ren. It was only after he tried to read her mind that her powers started to develop. As crazy as that is, I'm sure J.J. Abrams had a plan to explain why that happened but Rian Johnson decided to do his own thing & messed up the new trilogy.
Tony Bailey after JJ took a leak on Star Trek I doubt he had such plans. But there’s no denying Round Head made things worse.
Good movies make money.
Attractive women make money.
Bring on the attractive women in good movies.
Ellen Ripley....she was bad ass
Mike Smith Pfft. Only in the second film; in Alien and Alien 3, she was a bore.
gcHK47 I wasn't even thinkin alien 3 cause it sucked but she was a strong woman in the first one & the only one that had any common sense.
What about Ant Man and The Wasp? I know there's a quote from some exec about how in that film, somethng like, "men succeeded purely by accident, the women won cause they were just better." I cannot for the life of me find it anymore. Did the SJW's scrub that from the interwebs? Either way, it perfectly describes how female-led movies that tread into what was previously mostly male-led films (action, superhero) are being handled.
You don't have to drag the men in the cast down **cough** Star Wars **cough** in order to uplift females. They can be BA on their own.
Hollywood needs to learn to put good writing and characterisation first. Nobody cares if the characters are White, Black, Asian, Ect, Male or Female. We want characters we can relate to or empathize with. This has been proven with how good villains now a days have motivations beyond just because I'm the villain.
Agreed
2:10 it is a test created some decades ago to see if a movie had valid female presence, or if they were just npcs for the men to conquer, basically, there need to be at least 2 women in the movie and they need to have at least 1 scene in which they are alone and talk about something other than men (which doesn’t really makes sense, as movies such as Tomb Raider and Alien would get classified as not having strong female representation), as a side note: in the Last Jedi, the only scene in which Leia and Holdo are “alone” they talk about what they think of Paul, and there are no other scenes with only women in it. The test it self is not woke, it originated as a measure for which writters could have some more diversity of character in their stories, it works like the “3 act structure”, it is a sugestion that should help you develop better writting and nothing more, but woke communities don’t get it and believe it mandatory for a movie or novel to follow it as a commandment, basically it shows why woke movies go wrong, they follow the “how to basic” guide by the letter, instead of taking it as a guide, and not a command
Forced Woke was the worst...
It's all about actual politics too. Once Brexit and Trump have fully been realised and the soyboy Justin Trudeau is gone, things will be much better.
What did you do to Snoke Don’t forget Macron’s removal.
What about good moovies makes more money? is there a study about that?
Identity politics has gone too far? But when did not go to far?
Are they kidding me?! As a female, I call major bullshit on this report. Female protagonists like Ellen Ripley, Wonder Woman, and Katniss Everdeen show female characters done right. Female protagonists like Rey, Captain Marvel, and the new female Ghostbusters characters show female characters done wrong. As you said, nowadays, they’re not even bothering to properly develop female characters like they used to. It’s like they want to hand everything to these new female characters without making them go through the natural process of struggling, working through their struggles, make them likable, and make them relatable for the audience. Along with this, they would tear the male characters down in order to elevate these female characters who haven’t truly earned anything to lead a story. It’s terrible. All characters, whether male or female, have to have proper development, balance, and structure. If they don’t, they are not truly characters. They’re just structurally unbalanced shells. I hope that somebody out there who is either a professional writer or simply likes to write stories understands this and write female characters like normal characters.
For porn movies that is probably true.
They need to go ahead and make SHE-MAN: Manstress of the Universe
...and make her black... and gay... and trans.
I think the NPCs have a bug in their code, since they are skipping data.
Ghostbusters 2016?
The Nutcracker?
Oceans 8?
A Wrinkle in Time?
They intentionally skipped this because it didn't fit their narrative. This is literally a direct example of propaganda.
Real facts: Good story writing and good characters make money.
Haven't watched video yet...have already liked!
I'll bet Odin also has something to say about that article. Keep up the good work, Jeremy! Can't wait to see another videoooooo!
I don't think they realize we didn't go to the movies solely because of their female leads.
I’m all for strong female characters, and I totally agree Wonder Woman was fantastic film and a great portrayal of a hero! I still like Rey but it’s the way she’s written that makes her so well blah! Another female character that I really don’t think gets enough attention or credit is Mad Max’s Furiosa! She was an incredible incarnation.
All these films get heaps of money because of nostalgia, not because gender
Rey is not a Jedi, but she did stay in a Holiday Inn Express.
The last female led movie I knowingly saw in the theater was a movie called ‘Ultraviolet ‘. As for TFA, I saw it in the theater but had no idea that a woman was leading it. Bait and switch.
They posted a video Interview with Tessa Thompson talking about Toxic Masculinity. They deleted comments and eventually disabled them. This was about a week 1/2 ago.
So this is how entertainment dies, with feminist
By the way, most of Angelina's Jolie success was in movies kicking ass. I went to see both Lara Croft old movies, Mr and Mrs Smith, Wanted, Maleficent, Salt and The Turist because of Jolie kicking ass.
Women have far more disposable income than ever before. That's what Hollywood is going after. My wife and her friends go to movies and watch far more t.v. than I do. The last movie my wife and I went to together was TFA. She thought Rey was great and didn't care that Han and Luke got shat on. Of course she has no knowledge of or appreciation for Star Wars. Women are driving Hollywood like they're driving everything else. It won't get any better. All Hollywood need do is dish out strong Wamen characters in charge of "sensitive," inept, nonthreatening, "interesting" boys and females will stampede to the theater to lay their money down. Hollywood will lose their male audience but the bean counters probably have it figured as their best business move going forward.
*This is wrong, movies like Star Wars(KK) are awesome movies...*
*"Rotten Soy" would never lie, their reviews are made by the most diverse and wokest people that could have been found...*
Rotten Soy? You’re can’t just put soy in any name, it just sounds bad and doesn’t make sense.
I thought it was the Russians
Did she include 2016 Ghostbusters?
Just Cause 4 is really just a Tornado DLC pack for Just Cause 3.
Take that last Vader scene out of Rogue 1 and how much does it make. That's all I remember other than the "I'm blind!" joke.
All the problems you listed for the Rey character are in The Forced Awakens....lol.
Still don't understand why we need 2 Beauty and the beast movies. Why can't they make a live action Atlantis movie? That movie is underrated and not considered a classic
Yes Atlantis is not popular but remaking the Disney animated classic is bad when they could had just adapted the original story in a different manner than doing reheated leftovers from the 90s
Identify politics have done nothing but divide people
Looking to Underworld and Wonder woman you'd think that there are movies that don't just force womeb just because they are women.
And there is also Woke Wars and Captain Feminist that just forces feminism down our throats.
Even POTC my favourite movies think about replacing the iconic male lead with a woman.
Too many women being forced into TV, games, movies and comics, stop hitting us over the heads with your woke ideology as the majority of people do not want to see this, they want to see good stories.
Right, and if there's a woman so be it.
Doesn't the background all of just cause 2 match perfectly with rainy for The last Jedi almost seems like that they're having a standoff.
Remember, the woman model of that "We can do it!" Poster quit her factory job after just two weeks, claiming it was too hard and stressful.
Wamen.
The problem with the Bechdel test is that it doesn't take into account the quality of the film in question. A great film can fail the test. A shitty film can pass it.
I also noticed that, in *RALPH BREAKS THE INTERNET* , the climax does not have Ralph saving the day, but those fatuous Disney princesses do, who when Ralph helplessly falls, quickly make up a dress and suspend it and have him fall in it, symbolically emasculating him and setting him down in a bed in a parody of Sleeping Beauty. The message is, "Boys, don't depend on being heroic, let Grrrrrrl Power save the day! Let them take over, what will it hurt?"
I want to invent a game app of KITTY MILKSHAKE FEMINIST BULLSHIT.
"The Kitty drinks the milkshake. The _Feminist_ eats the _Bullshit_ !"
After reading about that Belcher test I can understand why that NPC counted the words in the Captain Marvel trailer. Nerdist is the same site that jumped all over Chris Hardwick before the facts came out. Total garbage website.
Correction - Identity politics have always ruined the entertainment industry. In fact, they ruin everything they touch. The remake of "Beauty and the Beast" has some good moments, but there's a lot of SJW crap in it.
Animated is superior
Nobody gave a shit when the Alien films or the first two Terminator films had amazing female leads. The reason is that the creators and “journalists” weren’t pretending they were righting some historic wrong or putting men in their place.
If it's half the world's population, it's not "unique."
My sentiments exactly. I loved Wonder Woman. I can already tell that Captain Marvel will be inferior to WW, due to the way Marvel has chosen to portray her.
Greetings Nerdist...Ghostbusters 2016 and Ocean's 8 would like to have a word with you.
Notice how they're all established franchises
I asked about this in the Facebook page. My question was: Is this statement made with or without the inclusion of porno?
Rey is the only person who can find joy in killing Tie-Fighter pilots and still be a Jedi. She's so great.
Struggling to remember when Ripley ever talked about men.
Ocean's 11 sleeper hit with 2 sequels. Oceans 8 floundering disaster. Ghostbusters 84, big hit spawns cartoons and a sequel. Ghostbusters 2016 ass fire
Ballbusters you mean
If DCEU was good Wonder woman could of made a similar number of money for example last jedi with making like 1-1.5B in my opinion
Based on just the movies that are talked about in this video, I think there may be some biased in the study. Star Wars is a one of the greatest movie franchises in history. Just the name alone will net you a ton of money. Hell I wouldn't be surprised if the burlesque parody group makes more money from their Star Wars shows than they do the other titles they parody.
Wonder Woman is a popular DC character and one of the core members of the Justice League, so that'll draw in a fair number of comic book people, then those who enjoy superhero movies. Plus people like Gadot's performance in Batman v Superman, so they'd go out and see her stand alone movie to see if she can hold things on her own or if she's an ensemble only type.
Then you have Beauty and the Beast, which being a Disney movie will get lots of people showing up. Didn't the Jungle Book live action movie also do quite well? Then you have the upcoming Aladdin and Lion King movies which will probably get quite a bit of viewers showing up because they're both Disney movies and beloved classics.
Had they done more original movies or more low key gender swap movies (Ghostbusters and Oceans come to mind), there would probably be a much different outcome. The two mentioned movies were terrible compared to the original versions. I wouldn't be surprised if the female version of What Women Want ends up being pretty bad (though the trailer did look a little amusing, I feel that their requirement of an R rating (compared to the originals PG-13 rating) may make it feel worse since an R rating doesn't automatically mean something will be better, just means they can get away with a lot more, but they don't always play it smartly, just look at some of Melissa Mccarthy's movies, they have R ratings but honestly? weren't all that good because they try way too hard to be edgy and funny only to look like idiots. Hell you could probably compare some of her movies to the (male lead) movies that they parody and find that the numbers don't favour her that much.
Can female lead movies be great? Sure. When done right. As mentioned a million times, Sarah Connor and Allen Ripley, two of the most badass and well developed female characters in movie history. You can also easily add Princess Leia (even if she wasn't the lead character), Mulan, Rapunzel (and a few other Disney princesses for that matter) as well as some others that I can picture, but can't recall the movie they're from for the life of me (I blame the hour) to the list of well developed and loved female characters. All that people ask is that they're treated properly, meaning they have a back story (or at least points of reference, like we know Luke is a good pilot because another character is able to vouch for him before the battle against the Death Star instead of him simply claiming) instead of being a Mary Sue like Rey.
Notes;
1; Lawsons comments about Wrinkle in Time fail to put them in context. She wasn't concerned with the opinion of white men, as in the critics, as the film wasn't made for that demographic.
2; Of the top films between 2010-2018. The Top 5 contains only one with a female lead (The Force Awakens). The top ten has a 50/50 split. (Three of which are Star War's films, which would explain their inclusion rather than the gender of the lead) the top 20 only has 8. (Wonder Woman is actually number 16)
2a; If you exclude both the Star Wars and MCU films, on the not unreasonable assumption that they are established franchises that would have done well regardless of the leads gender, you end up with a roughly 50/50 split. 6 of the 11 remaining are male lead films, the remaining 5 have female leads.
Rogue one i actually went to see for the action.. and out of the new one it is my favorite as a spectical.
Never heard of the Bechdel Test? Yeah just basically give women some plot that's not about getting married and you'll be fine.
The main star of SW: TFA isn't a female lead but the title itself and the original cast.
All great points. I'd also like to know the methodology behind the "study," e.g. what is the criteria for something to be considered a "female-led" movie. For example, TFA (Rey & Finn) and Beauty and the Beast (Beauty & Beast) each arguably have two main characters, one of which is female. Are they considered female-led? Or is the top-billed star the deciding factor? In that case TFA is led by a male (Harrison Ford) and so is TLJ (Mark Hamill.) Maybe the methodology's totally legit; but I suspect that whoever conducted this study engaged in some manipulation of the critera to get desired results. As usual.
Box office worldwide numbers: Wonder Woman $819M Venom $851M
Wow, I think the hardcore intellect who wrote this article is on to something.
70's = Blackxplotation
2010's Wamhenxplotation
Wonder Woman - Good Movie Made Money
The Last Jedi - Bad Movie Underpreforned and put cash cow franchise on the rocks
I think the worst part is there are no orginal stories everything is remakes and reboots with gender swaps.
Seems like they picked and chose on this one. I agree with you. We want good characters.
ouch Ouch! OUCH! Why can't people have fun??
These movies can pass the Bechdel test but could the NPCs in these movies pass the Voight Kampff test?
I don't care what gender the lead is. I care about acting, writing, and directing. I would like to think most people think the same. Go woke, go broke.
I don´t care if a movies lead is female if it´s well done. Wonderwoman was great. One of my favorite movies this year was Peppermint, Jennifer Garner was the perfect cast. One of my alltime favorite movies has a female lead, Aliens II.
Things like this are why I gave Nerdist a middle finger in my video about them.
I do not understand these highfalutin' issues so much.
But I would appreciate fewer movies that are the cinematic equivalent of the T-shirt, "Boys are stupid. Throw rocks at them." ...It hurts my feelings...
Besides, Ladies, to be able to throw rocks, you first have to Lift them. Do you even Lift, sis?
Actually there is probably merit to that study. "Adult" films that star two women are far more popular than ones that star a man and a woman, or so I'm told...
I'm all for movies with wahmen at the helm. If their movies can earn more money and *IF* those movies are actually any good then more power to them. I gladly welcome them. The examples cited by this "study" are really all exceptions to the rule at best and far from being the norm. It's like if I said all the Transformers movies were good based solely on how much money they earned since the first one. This is a huge part of the problem with modern "journalism"; citing studies that treat specific exceptions as if they were the prevailing reality.
Ghostbusters, Ocean 8, Lara Croft, the mummy, alice through the looking glass, Ghost in the shell? Wonder Woman improved due to word of the mouth it was good bc it opening week was not all that and her being in the JL movie did nothing for that movie. Star Wars was SW. TFA was marketed on the return of the old cast too. The only one that was sucessful was Lucy, which is the combination of an interesting plot and ScarJo kicking ass.
I liked Ghost in the Shell 2017 as Kusanagi's actions spoke louder than words and she was likable compared to Ballbusters and Rey in SW