What’s the difference between Gracie Jiu-Jitsu & Gracie Jiu-Jitsu?
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- Опубліковано 10 тра 2020
- A viewer wants to know what’s the difference between two BJJ academies in his town. One sign says “Gracie Jiu-Jitsu” the other says “Royce Gracie Jiu-Jitsu”.
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Don't tell me that I'm the only one who read the title like 5 times to make sure I read it correctly
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Ramsey answering the most important question of all I see
Ramsey: what's the difference between gracie jiu jitsu and gracie jiu jitsu
Me: *visible confusion*
Ego
There are two kinds of Gracie Jiu-Jitsu - one for sport, and one for self defense. The self defense linage is under Helio Gracie, but the sport linage is under his brother Carlos Gracie. Carlos and his sons felt that making it a sport would cause the art to be more widespread, so they focused on sport, created the global federation of sport jiu-jitsu, and created rules and time limits and tournaments, and eliminated the parts of the art that address strikes and other self defense elements of it. Helio, as the main creator of the Art, wanted to stay focused purely on Self Defense so he and his sons split from Carlos. if you want GJJ for self defense, go for Helio's linage, if you want to go for sport then go for Carlos's linage. Each of these branches are in fact VERY different from each other.
It's explained here: ua-cam.com/video/6344FL3T-bU/v-deo.html
Royce Gracie competed in the first 𝘧𝘰𝘶𝘳 UFC tournaments, retiring from one of them and winning 𝘵𝘩𝘳𝘦𝘦 of them.
He also fought at UFC 5, but in a superfight, not the tournament.
The difference between Gracie Jiu Jitsu and any other BJJ schools is that back when Rorion Gracie started his school, he copyrighted the name "Gracie Jiu Jitsu" so that only he and his sons could use the name "Gracie Jiu Jitsu" and no else can... Not even his siblings. But his other siblings can use their full name like "Royce Gracie Jiu Jitsu" Or "Rickson Gracie Jiu Jitsu".
@carey sills Yup...
You can't copyright a name, and you don’t “copyright” something-you have a copyright in your original works of authorship as soon as you write them, automatically, courtesy of federal law. No copyright notice is required. No copyright registration is required. You have the right, whether you like it or not. Rorion registered a trademark.
But that's wrong. Royler and Rolker both use "Gracie Jiu-Jitsu" as part of Gracie Humaita.
@@tjl4688 but it true Rorion has copyrighted the name . I think him and the Carlos side of the family feud.
I personally train at a Gracie Jiu jitsu academy and the only difference i see between our gym and others in my city is the white belt curriculum. Our white belt curriculum is organized with more strike, weapon, and hold defenses for the casual practitioner but less actual application for the sport of BJJ whereas other jiu jitsu schools teach more techniques that can be applied during rolling/sparring but after blue belt it’s all pretty much the same as far as more advanced techniques go in my opinion
I can picture you staring in the One Punch Man’s Hollywood adaptation as Saitama. 😉
What do you think about Master wong Jiu Jitsu aka the Jiu jitsu of the streetz
nice nicknam you have there :)))
Always great content, coach!
Thanks for the shout out homie!!! Appreciate the hell out of that
Hey, Ramsey, could you talk about the differences between Fadda Jiu Jitsu and Gracie Jiu Jitsu and do you think about Fadda JJ?
I have learned techniques from both gracey, and 10th planet. Theu both have there purposes. They both have great set ups, and escapes. The more you know the better.
I just want that gracie jiu jitsu breakdown channel with rener gracie and whoever to do a breakdown/analysis on the eddie bravo vs Royce gracie fight. Eddie was either a brown belt or purple belt and he smashed their top guy pretty much. That gracie channel is so dumb tho theres so much click bait. They even tried doing a 'breakdown' on george floyd. They seriously are stupid horrible people on that channel. The two brothers.
@@ihategoogle5402 yo bro...I'm not a fan of Rener either... but Royce never fought Eddie Bravo...that was Royler
@@roguewarrior7217 no it was Royce
My understanding is Royce Gracie line of schools has decided to focus on the self defence aspects rather than competition.
The Gracie schools use a blue instructor stripe instead of red
Hey coach Ramsey, what is your take on semen retention(no ejaculation) and combat sports?
Don't jizz on your sparrow partner.
I think your question is legit and there is a ton of esoteric info about this topic out there. Nothing wrong with your question!! Just google it
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Legit question.
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I don’t think the title makes sense 😅
Uzair Waheed hoyce gracie vs gracie
why?
My Name It says gracie jiu-jitsu vs gracie jiu-jitsu
@@cringekid8435 ikr
@@ryanliu6694 You mean Royce*?
What's the difference between a glass of wine and a glass of wine?
One is red. The other is red.
One's in a glass the other's in a glass.
The brand and quality
As a Gracie Jiu-jitsu practicioner for 35 years. (Royce) didn't teach for a very long time after 1993. Ask him. Between 93 and 98 he was a different person. Almost nobody studied under Royce.
True but you forgot to mention the difference between helio gracie jj and carlos gracie jj. Helios decendants focus more on the self defense whilst carlos' dial in on the sport aspect. Just my 2 cents.
Ramsey, between bruce lee and chuck norris who is the better fighter ????
Hi coach I hope you are doing well! What do you think about coaching and/or teaching in martial arts when one have not competed? I'm a guy who loves martial arts. I have always trained in some martial art style most of my life (8 - 25 years old). I've trained in Boxing, karate wing chun, and Muay Thai. I love sparring both Light and Hard but I've never competed because I'm not really a competetive person. I would love to teach someday for health, fitness and self-defence with sparring and practical techniques of course. Do you think that I qualify for that?
PS: I'm a very technical martial artist.
Thanks Ramsey
Ramsey what do you think about Emanuel Augustus' unorthodox boxing style and do you think there is a way it can translate in the cage since he had success in kickboxing and there are several Muay Thai styles with a similar style ( only the Muay Thai fighters aren't as flamboyant)
Well, is Royce Gracie himself teaching in Royce Gracie club? :-) if yes, then no doubt which club to choose. But as you said, you need to try both gyms and see how the club is doing things: is it clean, respectful, age of students, hobby or competitor, teachers, mentality, ...
I went to a Royce school and got my blue belt from him. Royce lives in California and travels to do promotions and seminars, so it is not a name drop as Ramsey is suggesting. It is no different than what Royler or Rickson does. Royce's black belts have the blue bar on their belt in honor of Helio. Eli Knight is a Royce Gracie Black Belt, if you want to see an example. There is the Helio's lineage and his brother Carlos' lineage for Gracie Jiu-jitsu; both who studied under Judoka Mitsuyo Maeda.
Only Carlos allegedly studied under Maeda. Helio learned from Carlos. However, there is a lot of evidence that Carlos actually learned from Donato Pires, a student of Maeda.
No Gracie has learned judo from Maeda it is a myth.
So speaking of Gracie's Jiu-Jitsu schools four schools from the lineage, I have found three schools reasonably close to me physically speaking.
One of them studied under Carlson Gracie and he seems to have a fun energy family oriented type of school. He actually happens to be my ex girlfriends friend.
Then I found another school that is if you look them up Gracie Barra very tournament orientating like extraordinary tournament oriented. And then of course I found a Gracie's University certified Training Center which is where I go. All three of these different places have an extraordinary different feel to them the reason I chose the certified Training Center is because it follows the exact curriculum that I signed up for and it focuses first and foremost on self-defense. It's also rather affordable compared to most jiu-jitsu classes
Haha if it's a "fun, energy, family" then it's not true Carlson JJ as his training was not like that at all. He didn't train families, he trained fighters and would train some people who weren't "serious". Old school Carlson black belts were similar to him and had tough schools. But perhaps times have changed..
I want to make sure I understand what you said, the Machados can trace their lineage back to the Gracies even if they did modify and cultivate their own JJ style. I did read that Oswaldo Fadda can trace his leaneage directly to Carlos Gracie.
That's sort of right....Machados can trace their lineage to Carlos Gracie (who learned from Maeda). Oswaldo traces back to Mitsuyo Maeda through Luis Franca. Jacare Sousa is a black belt under the non-gracie lineage.
The Machado's mother is the sister of one of Carlos' wives, so they share a grandfather with Carlos Jr., but they largely grew up with and trained with Helio's sons. They even used the Gracie name for a while.
@@bobricher85 I would think that today in 2020, that either lineage would be very similar if not identical. I would think that today in 2020 that one could argue that either lineage would have/or would actually be the same art, both leneages have evolved and morphed into what we would now refer to as modern "BJJ". With everything that has come out now, both lineages have practicley become the same art again, just as they both derived from the same art.
In my city there's 2 schools, the Gracie Barra and the Carlson Gracie.Even after some research i still can find what is the difference between the 2.
Ramsey, have you seen the corner advice of ufc 249 main event? Many people felt like eddie bravo gave ferguson a bad advice, can you make a video about what corner advice you would give tony ferguson and, how much do you think that contributed to justin gaethje winning the fight?
Krzysztof Byra what did eddie say? I also would like to know why tony never tried a takedown?
Yeah Ramsey, you have to do a video on that corner advice. I love Eddie, and I'm sure he would have been a great cornerman for the Khabib fight, but he should not have been cornering in a striking match.
The earth is flat. Look into it
Momos Wandelndesschloss Eddie basically said do an inamari roll, and telling him to dance around n shit
@@momoswandelndesschloss4047 BT sport made a video on that. Look into it
Saying you are at a Royce Gracie gym is NOT a name drop. It tells the person the style of training.
You will not see Kata, focus mitts or Thai pads in the gym.
You will see a Gi, the old school self defense is taught...
It tells you a lot about the gym and you are not being fair.🙏
One focus more on sport and one focus more on self defense
I thought i was having an aneurism reading that title
thanks
Who do you think would win
Rico Verhoeven vs Tyson Fury/Anthony Joshua in a street fight? Pro kickboxer vs Pro boxer?
Environment and clothing dependant tbh. If you can't kick above waist hight in jeans, it's suddenly not as important. Is it a cramped space, etc
opinions on renzo gracie jiu jitsu ? is it mcdojo ?
Can you do a review of UFC 249?
I still haven’t seen it.
Maeda's Japanese friends Sataki, Shimitsu, Laku and Omori were also the fathers of Brazilian Jiu Jitsu, since GJJ came directory from Maeda->Carlos Gracie->... The whole world is talking about the 2 Gracie brothers as the real founders of BJJ. That is wrong, the Gracies were the founders of GJJ. Let us all never forget Luiz Franca (The same class where Carlos Gracie was a student of Maeda) and his student Oswaldo Fadda... Fadda continued Fraca's philosophy by teaching BJJ to the poor, instead of only the middle or upperclass of society. The Gracies were for the wealthy Rio's City Centre, while Franca worked in the favela's and the outskirts of Rio de Janeiro. BJJ was created for all people from their fathers Maeda -> Sataki -> Omori, Franca-> Fadda. Never forget the root differences between BJJ en GJJ!! Osu!
Self defense Jiujitsu vs sports Jiujitsu
I believe the difference is that only Rorion Gracie and his sons can use the name because he resistered the name. The rest of the family has to use first and last name.
Would be interesting if Ramsey talked about differences between those lineages.
Check out the documentary "The Gracies and the Birth of Vale Tudo", as well as the Kama Jiu-Jitsu channel:
ua-cam.com/video/XxlW9dmsPJs/v-deo.html
ua-cam.com/video/VQ2y-fMTRts/v-deo.html
I want to know the difference between mma and mma 🤔
Nice
If your not into competitiveness, Gracies University is ny recommendation personally.
What's the diffrence between Back Alley Self Defense vs Seld Defense for da StreetZ?
I’ve noticed that there are Gracie barra and Gracie jiu jitsu academy! What’s the difference?
Im just kind of surprised you got the pudding saying correct. Most people don't get it right. Every School of Marital Arts uses whatever famous person they can to their advantage. it's confusing to try and pinpoint differences in the styles especially to the point where one can choose to train in one over another.
My coach trained under Pedro Sauer here in Virginia, and often have Kristen Debruycker come out and do seminars
(I need to visit his gym one day).
Ramsey quick question, is it disrespectful to refer to my bjj professor as "Professor" but as "Coach" when we train Muay Thai or kickboxing?
I cannot think of a more respectful title for a coach than “coach”.
My BJJ / MMA Grappling coach is Daniel Gracie
Question for the coach:
Couple of days ago I watched a video of Chael Sonnen talking about the Ngannou fight which led him to question kickboxing and muay thai as combat sports because of the lack of head movement.
Now at first I dismissed this as Uncle Chael being Uncle Chael, trash talking to catch your eye and get a response... but as his trolling skills are impecable, I still can't help but wonder if there is any truth to that. My experience lies mostly in boxing and I know nothing about kickboxing or muay thai, so I wouldn't know. I decided to watch some clips and, yeah, there seems to be a difference in head movement in these sports but I still decided to ask the People's Coach of China because it's a fun topic and because you'd be able to illustrate this without the mesmerizing and confusing Sonnen banter...
Ramsey what was your entrance song when you were pro?
Whatever noise the DJ put on. They never let me choose my entrance music.
@@RamseyDewey aww man i thought fighters could choose that
How different is the Carlos lineage from the Helio lineage?
Only as different as the individual jiu-jitsu practitioner who represents that lineage.
Ego & politics, huehue
traditionally very different. I trained in both. But it depends now on club atmosphere and instructor. Carlson's style was a rough aggressive fighting style and this is reflected in the people he attracted.I think Helio's lineage attracts more "casual" practitioners who want some grappling and self-defense. Personally, I liked Helio's lineage BJJ better for the average person. But now, I am not sure it matters.
my gym was under the banner Gracie jiu jitsu but we did our own thing its a brand
You did not put the link below.
ua-cam.com/video/P6wVVdjA9b8/v-deo.html
Have a question for you Coach Ramsey.
Are you familiar with Wladimir Klitschko and if so - what do you think if facing such kind of opponent or opponent with similar state of mind and physical prowess.
A little summary for those who are not aware who he is he is and too lazy to google him.
Heavy weight Boxer from Ukraine, with height of 1.98 m (6,49 ft) and weight close to 110 kg (242 lbs), aside from becoming world champion he is considered highly educated and very intelligent in both his normal life and professional decisions, he also is considered of having high fighting IQ and is usually very calm and calculative during his matches.
So good training, good work ethics, intelligent decisions while being relaxed and focused in a middle of a high adrenaline engagement.
I'm not saying he was one of the best boxers or anything similar, but he is one of the champions in our most recent history and his recording and stats are easy to find and observe, also while professional and obviously very successful he was not even considered one of the toughest fighter, but using his strong sides to their fullest.
Klitschko weighed 250lbs in his prime. He also changed his style from European style of boxing to American style utilizing his power and jab
Can a wrestler dominate other non wrestling fighters with takedowns?
Any bjj with the last name gracie is legit
The difference is very simple: how the human pretzel is knot
Hespec for covehing this topic
The tehar hespects Hamsey Dewey.
@@cesarcrash Jewey*
Please talk about Kazushi Sakuraba!
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Gracie Combatives Jujitsu only has 36 techniques .
Eyyy?!
Don't Joyce Gracie JJ schools provide blue stripes instead of red? And they focus more on self defense than sport?
My professor trained under Royce and has a blue tab on his belt. Under the Royce system you start with a white tab as a “probationary black belt” and get your blue tab after. Gracie schools tend to focus on self defense but a truly good school will teach both sport and self defense
Proof in the pudding? Would that make it Bill Cosby jiu-jitsu
Looks like BJJ is going through what Kung Fu went through in the 70s and Karate in the 80s.
I wonder if Muey Thai went through this.
Muay thai is kind of going through the same thing as Karate in the 80’s. Muay thai is being used by a lot of gyms as a catch all term for striking, (just as Karate became a catch all term for Martial arts back then) even though what they teach is not technically Muay thai (no intricate knowledge in clinch, no Thai culture, etc.) Lot of them are decent or even great kickboxing/striking gyms tho.
Not sure you can compare because in those days everybody was kung fu fighting.
@@threethrushes Oh great, this is just great. Now I have that song stuck in my head. LOL!!!!!!!
Someone might have pointed it out already, but I've been browsing the comments and I haven't seen it. Anyway, Royce competed in UFC's 1, 2 and 3, winning the first two. But he also competed in UFC 4, which he also won (that legendary match against Dan Severn), and in UFC 5, when he had his rematch against Ken Shamrock in the first Superfight ever.
Anyway, great videos!
Boxing is the best, high concentration and training of a few powerful techniques, and the workout is phenomenal!!! 💝💝💝🕊️🕊️🕊️🕊️
I'm more of a fan of Fadda Jiu-jitsu myself.
If being able to trace a martial art's lineage to the Gracie's make it a Gracie Jiu-Jitsu then any martial art that can trace it's lineage to Judo should be called Judo hence all these BJJ schools should be considered Judo.
I'd say all judo should be called jujutsu.
I prefer karate
@@ihategoogle5402 I am green belt in Shotokan and blue in BJJ. One cannot be compared to another.
@@cesarcrash jigoro kano, founder of judo, actually created the fighting art from the original "jujutsu". He remove the striking techniques & focus more on throwing & joint locks. Bjj was inspired by judo & was born from it & return the striking techniques & focus more on ground submissions.
@@shadowlancer45 jigoro kano, founder of judo, actually created the fighting art from the original "jujutsu". That's just what I said. "Jujutsu" came first... But for a long time, ju do and ju jutsu were interchangeable terms.
Gracie Barra is not a GJJ academy.
In order to change martial art..... One only needs to change the spelling....
I don't think Royce Gracie is the son of Helio.. I think he's the son of Carlos... I think, I might be wrong.
Unless uncle Carlos was fooling around with Helio’s wife unbeknownst to the rest of the family, then no, Royce is Helio’s son.
Ramsey Dewey those are you words, sir, not mine! :) I did say “I think, I might be wrong.”
First, I think the term, "McDojo" has really strayed from its original meaning even on the McDojo Life channel.
"McDojo" has become a catch-all pejorative that can range from anything from a martial arts school teaching hokey (bullshido) or controversial styles of martial arts (e.g. think Rex Kwon Do in "Napolean Dynamite") to a club with a non-certified instructor, to a school that might be legitimate but lacks affiliation credentials.
The original meaning was a chain of martial arts schools with cookie cutter curriculums (pardon the alliteration) and having senior (sometimes a non-black belt) instructors of the headquarter academy's head instructor, be the head instructor of one of the chains. Chuck Norris had a chain of schools in the 70's.
As for various jiu-jitsu styles, aside from gi vs no-gi, the differences in styles is quickly shrinking with the advent of the internet as everyone adopts everyone elses' moves. UA-cam, especially, is a free repository for all the high level techniques you ever want to know. Everyday some high level BJJ professor is uploading techniques to UA-cam be it Marcelo Garcia, Andre Galvao, Keenan Cornelius, John Danaher...and let's not forget all the UA-cam guys like Chewjitsu, and Ramsey Dewey here who specialize more on the mental training and motivational aspects of martial arts which is equally important because learning techniques is easy part -- It's breaking through the plateaus, setbacks, and walls that are hard.
Machado Jiu Jitsu is Gracie Jiu Jitsu
So you’re saying Gracie Jiu-Jitsu is Gracie Jiu-Jitsu is Gracie Jiu-Jitsu
So you’re saying Gracie Jiu-Jitsu is Gracie Jiu-Jitsu is Gracie Jiu-Jitsu
@@RamseyDewey no idea what you just said
photography gracie jiu jitsu is the bjj invented by the gracies. Machado is gracie made. It doesn't matter if he has his own game
@@RamseyDewey lol
Real question what's the difference between bjj and nawaza judo? Answer is not a damn thing besides the Gracie's fooling everyone into thinking they created bjj but in reality it's just part of the very practical and complete traditional martial art know as judo. Judo even has wrestling style tackdowns and some boxing punches in it .
I can comment based on my experiences. I trained Judo in late 1980s, and the ne waza was more aggressive, and pin-focused and less technically refined.much more basic. I can also say this with confidence because I was fortunate enough to train at school a few times where the instructor was known for his ne waza in Judo and won a lot of matches that way, I was probably there around 1996. In the early 1990s I trained BJJ and dropped in to a few good Judo schools. I could submit a lot of the black and brown belts on the ground as a white belt, or at least stalemate if i could weather the initial aggressive attacks. I could almost always double leg and single leg most Judoka as well after a wrestler had me drill them. BJJ was a refinement of Judo grappling due to time constraints, and at least in the 90s, its emphasis on fighting. Both arts complement each other well.
How have you managed to dodge the carona virus bro?
I live in China. The whole country locked down in an unprecedented level between January and April. The borders closed. Every city was on full quarantine. Every business shut down for the duration. They didn’t take half measures here. Since April, life has gone back to normal for the most part.
@@RamseyDewey is China as bad as people have said?bro Imola am brokedown but for some reason I'm drawn to your approach and workout using your way.thank you .its helped me already several times
@@RamseyDewey for some reason I don't believe that it's you I'm talking to.
Gracie jujitsu is made for self-defense against bigger person not this over the top sport competition jujitsu
I don't agree. In think it is an aspect of it, but I think it was just marketed that way. It is a fighting style that developed in its own way. Looking at the history of its development from the turn of the 20th century, I am not sure this was the case. It was an effective system.
The difference is marketing, that’s it. There’s no difference. The only difference is in the instructor. How good a teacher is he or she and how knowledgeable are they with the techniques. The reason Rorion, Royce... try to separate themselves with this nonsense about self defense and sport is there students suck. After 30 years they’ve not produced a single good student. Rorions kids developed a couple. But they need an excuse why that is. So they claim others are teaching sport BJJ which is absurd. And that’s the reason there students get crushed in the UFC and grappling tournaments. The real reason is they don’t want there students to be any good. They don’t want people to be better than them.Rodrigo Gracie is a friend and he brought a mutual friend of ours to train with Royce before his fight with Matt Hughes. He was told not to submit Royce. He did anyway, was told not to come back. I know others that were told the same thing. That they have to let Royce submit them to save his delicate ego.
Gracie has been washed down for years now. Where I'm at Easton bjj rules all the comps.
And definitely do not take Rener's course.
whats wrong with gracie combatives?
More like Royce rigged the first two the UFC championships.