Man, I've been reading your texts for 10 years but never saw your face. Greetings! You are one of my favourite thinkers 🚀 I even bought your book and audiobook to support you despite the fact it's US focused and I live in the EU.
this is pretty wild. I’m glad you’re enjoying the new toy! thanks for sharing :) I also found it interesting that it seemed to add noise cancellation when you went fully into an environment? hope the stuffies enjoyed the game 😂
So Tim, do you frankly think you "watching the match on the moon" whatever that means, is worth 3500 USD ? I would have expected that with it, you watch the match as if you are in the field. Anyways, it's a rich boy's problem. For that price, I would expect it to be a car, computer, watch, phone, and why not a house ? But it appears to be only a toy for rich kids. Anyways, that's the world we live in.
Are the environments dynamic or simple 360 images? I mean, do clouds or tree leaves move? Can you actually walk through those environments or you’re tied to one POV?
Watched it sitting at my desk on a (physical) 22" screen, totally convinced, and then right at the end, got a headache... It might be the ever-moving image for my totally stable head.
I tried this but I just couldn’t focus for extended work. Can’t beat how crisp and real-time an actual monitor is. Should I continue trying do you think?
Can you have multiple instances of the same app window? E.g. UA-cam open on something in one room, but another UA-cam window elsewhere, with another video?
@@Dionyzos Text is one of the the big things for me. I could justify buying a VR set -- instead of a big screen -- if I could really work with it the whole day (text crisp enough, headset light enough, and maybe hot-swapable batteries).
I'd like to be able to change my work environment, that's for sure. But is the text really crisp enough to type the whole day? And how do you deal with the short battery life, when you can't even hot-swap the attached battery?
It's great for productivity increases especially for office workers. Even with today price I can see it will be cheaper to buy these then to setup workspace per each person. In future once it's smaller, more durable, or even build in helmet like motorbike, imagine working on construction site with plans always available, or repairing cars having their manual in front of them while lying under the car... Let's see if it will survive the hype and will stay as a new tool/device.. so many possibilities.... Main question is can our eyes take it, and for how long?
So why is this so great? It's cool I guess? But I prefer reality, even if it's not a great reality. I don't see how avoiding reality is good for humanity I suppose.
Thanks. I am curious as how easy is it to copy and paste, drag and drop between apps. My work scenario is typically requires grabbing content (images) and dropping them into InDesign or FCPX or doing research in Safari(with multiple windows open) or taking material in Notes and pulling the content into an InDesign document. I have two 5 K monitors now, but frequently find my working windows overlapping and getting lost. The ability to spread them out is very attractive if I can readily move content from one spatial window to the next. Any thoughts as to how well that will work?
This is the first time I've actually heard someone refer to Twitter exclusively as X. Everyone always says some variation of Twitter & X at the same time or just Twitter, in my experience. Companies use the new logo to be respectful, but when people talk or type, they have to say Twitter somehow otherwise it's like what even is X lol
Don't get me wrong, it seems really cool but it seems better for doing side fun things during work than actually focusing/doing work. Though I admit it really takes "work anywhere" to a new level.
Hi Tim I wonder what do you think about our puzzle game "Shape Vision: Mind's Odyssey" And what suggestion can you give us to make it more fun Kind Regards Hassan
Can't really decipher how it makes sense for the price tag it comes with, Tim. Changing workspace background or realm seems cooler now, but over time it would be pretty boring as there's no new element to it, besides the same audio / visual effects in those backgrounds. Think of it as new animated desktop wallpaper, exciting today certainly not after 15 days. Anyways I'm happy that you're enjoying it and sharing your experiences.
All I honestly care about in the first place is the health of our eyes. How does it impact them long term? Only time will tell. Now, it is an interesting device: very dystopian. Gives me chills. I’m getting old. V1 you see the game in a huge screen on the Moon. V10 do you watch the game as if you’re there? I was thinking this… maybe we need special technology to record things to recreate the experience of completely giving us the perception of being inside the shot.
The lenses actually increase the focal distance to 1-2m in VR headsets so you're not looking at a display right in front of your eyes. For comparison, we usually sit closer to normal monitors. One could think it's still problematic to look at a fixed object for hours on end but if you're fully grown, it isn't as bad as it sounds. Children and teenagers whose eyes are still developing could become short sighted when using VR for long stretches of time though.
We have a Facebook one at work (forgot the name). Too heavy for anything comfortable IMO. looked at the specs, vision pro looks to be the heaviest out of all Products in thr market. Most are 0.5kg. Vision 0.8 I believe.
I usually love new technology and i'm super into futurism but this just looks like a toy for rich people.. A big workspace seems cool but i guess you spend more time adjusting and placing those windows around and giggling that it stays hovering in a room instead of actually doing something with it
How is the vision pro for reading/writing code? I still can't find one persons opinion on this specific feature. Yes you can "write a blog". But can you read and write _code_?
Finding it very difficult to not be cynical about this thing. What’s the point? A new type of external monitor that makes you less focused on the work you’re actually doing? One that makes a pointless but comfy office job more bearable?
I'm a VR and tech enthusiast so take this with a grain of salt. First off, I don't see how this makes you less focused. You can procrastinate without it just as well. If anything, it enables you to create a virtual space that's made for work and work alone. Like James Clear explained in Atomic Habits, using different spaces for specific activities makes it easier to focus and build habits. But the most fascinating part about VR/AR are the endless possibilities it creates, most of which haven't been discovered yet. You can virtually travel to different places, you can fully immerse yourself in a game or movie. People fear that it will isolate us, but I think the opposite could be the case. We are already consuming content all day long at home or on our phones, mostly alone. In VR, you can enter a virtual space together with friends and do this together. It's basically virtual teleportation like Cleo Abrams explained in her latest video. Right now, apps are 2D in 3D Space, but it doesn't have to be this way. Apps will be designed completely differently with 3D in mind in the future. Websites will be made of 3D elements. Imagine shopping online while seeing the products in 3D. I enjoyed gamifying my fitness when I had my Quest 2, it made me more motivated to get physical and even normal VR games felt like a workout, I was moving more. Like I said, the possibilities are endless. Just google "possibilities of VR", people have already come up with the wildest ideas.
@@Dionyzos It makes you less focused because it shouldn't matter if you're in the Andes or a grassy field in England or wherever if you're writing a book, you should be looking at words and concentrating, not passively enjoying a landscape. Not sure about the travelling thing either, it's just a new kind of screen, and I'm sure with the years and decades they'll get very realistic, but it's still a screen. Immersing yourself in a fantastical landscape from a game or a movie could be cool but again, what's the point? Fictional worlds through games and movies are magical because the director/designer decides meticulously what to show and not show. That's why 360 cameras are not cinema cameras. Amazon in VR on a headset sounds like pure hell to me.
What do you mean "what's the point"? You've just been fed an entire video spelling out all the things you can do with it to vastly enhance just about anything you normally do with a computer. Is it bettet for everything? Of course not. Does that make it "pointless"? Oh, come on, don't waste eveybody's time.
@@lunakid12 Technology should make humans do useful things they were unable to do before. That's what great technology did through time. This headset does nothing particularly new or useful. It's just a cool computer monitor, and as shiny and sleek as it is, considering its price, I'm not terribly excited. The fact that it's from Apple adds that little extra cynicism, because Apple used to be a company that made great technology for (mostly) the masses.
"Isnt that a better view?" No. A simulacrum is never better than reality, not for the average human being. "it's just a stupid room", the real world is beautiful, not stupid. I legit feel bad for you.
TO-DO LIST - Do VR video - Do VR post - Dont dick around - Seriously - No will care about the Vision Pro next week - This is one of those times to not procrastinate and actually do it quickly - Frankly it's already too late - I emailed people at Apple asking if could get one before Launch Day and they were like eat a dick - Get groceries - Do laundry
For the rest of my Vision Pro thoughts check out the post: waitbutwhy.com/2024/02/vision-pro.html
Man, I've been reading your texts for 10 years but never saw your face.
Greetings! You are one of my favourite thinkers 🚀
I even bought your book and audiobook to support you despite the fact it's US focused and I live in the EU.
That box of tissues conveniently next to the monitor 🤣
Oh we both know what that is 😮
"My Work Day in a Vision Pro"
No work gets done.
Sounds about right.
Loved that you are becoming Vision Bro! Listening to podcasts on the mountain is my favorite thing in Vision Pro!
Was the airbnb more or less expensive than your new toy?
Makes a ton of sense but not for the price tag. Look forward to it coming down.
this is pretty wild. I’m glad you’re enjoying the new toy! thanks for sharing :) I also found it interesting that it seemed to add noise cancellation when you went fully into an environment? hope the stuffies enjoyed the game 😂
So Tim, do you frankly think you "watching the match on the moon" whatever that means, is worth 3500 USD ? I would have expected that with it, you watch the match as if you are in the field. Anyways, it's a rich boy's problem. For that price, I would expect it to be a car, computer, watch, phone, and why not a house ? But it appears to be only a toy for rich kids. Anyways, that's the world we live in.
Are the environments dynamic or simple 360 images? I mean, do clouds or tree leaves move? Can you actually walk through those environments or you’re tied to one POV?
I believe currently it's all static. I'd think it's on the road map, though
Watched it sitting at my desk on a (physical) 22" screen, totally convinced, and then right at the end, got a headache... It might be the ever-moving image for my totally stable head.
I tried this but I just couldn’t focus for extended work. Can’t beat how crisp and real-time an actual monitor is. Should I continue trying do you think?
Can you have multiple instances of the same app window? E.g. UA-cam open on something in one room, but another UA-cam window elsewhere, with another video?
Wasn't most of these stuff possible in VR devices with AR functionality like the Quest 3?
A lot of it was, yes. But the hardware isn't good enough to make it enjoyable. Text looks absolutely horrible and the passthrough just looks bad.
@@Dionyzos Text is one of the the big things for me. I could justify buying a VR set -- instead of a big screen -- if I could really work with it the whole day (text crisp enough, headset light enough, and maybe hot-swapable batteries).
I'd like to be able to change my work environment, that's for sure. But is the text really crisp enough to type the whole day? And how do you deal with the short battery life, when you can't even hot-swap the attached battery?
my boy be making posts!!!, lets goooooo!!!!
It's great for productivity increases especially for office workers. Even with today price I can see it will be cheaper to buy these then to setup workspace per each person. In future once it's smaller, more durable, or even build in helmet like motorbike, imagine working on construction site with plans always available, or repairing cars having their manual in front of them while lying under the car... Let's see if it will survive the hype and will stay as a new tool/device.. so many possibilities.... Main question is can our eyes take it, and for how long?
Excellent ideas for future uses!
Wait, you're not a stick man?
Ever thinking of using md file and vscode to replace word, todo app?
So why is this so great? It's cool I guess? But I prefer reality, even if it's not a great reality. I don't see how avoiding reality is good for humanity I suppose.
Well done Timbo, well done 👏🏻
"Imagine what this would cost" About $3500 dollars sir.
I'm not the only one focusing more on the fake post than the video itself right?
Is it normal that I hear your voice as if you were in writing
How come I never found Tim Urban's channel before!
Thanks. I am curious as how easy is it to copy and paste, drag and drop between apps. My work scenario is typically requires grabbing content (images) and dropping them into InDesign or FCPX or doing research in Safari(with multiple windows open) or taking material in Notes and pulling the content into an InDesign document. I have two 5 K monitors now, but frequently find my working windows overlapping and getting lost. The ability to spread them out is very attractive if I can readily move content from one spatial window to the next. Any thoughts as to how well that will work?
"Les jeunes" ne vont plus en boîte parce qu'ils ne veulent pas risquer leur vie à cause des racailles et des migrants omniprésents dans la rue surtout
Just realized that wen you spin that top wheel to enter these worlds even the microphone dampen the sound of your voice!! Super cool!
This is the first time I've actually heard someone refer to Twitter exclusively as X. Everyone always says some variation of Twitter & X at the same time or just Twitter, in my experience. Companies use the new logo to be respectful, but when people talk or type, they have to say Twitter somehow otherwise it's like what even is X lol
Pretty darn cool
Tremendous technology and a tremendous demonstration of it Tim!
Holograms would be better.
Super excited about the post you put out, going to be a good one.
Question, how much is this worth to you? Would you pay 10k for it?
Not at the moment. Would have to prove to be a total work game-changer first.
Don't get me wrong, it seems really cool but it seems better for doing side fun things during work than actually focusing/doing work. Though I admit it really takes "work anywhere" to a new level.
Hi Tim
I wonder what do you think about our puzzle game "Shape Vision: Mind's Odyssey"
And what suggestion can you give us to make it more fun
Kind Regards
Hassan
Can't really decipher how it makes sense for the price tag it comes with, Tim. Changing workspace background or realm seems cooler now, but over time it would be pretty boring as there's no new element to it, besides the same audio / visual effects in those backgrounds. Think of it as new animated desktop wallpaper, exciting today certainly not after 15 days. Anyways I'm happy that you're enjoying it and sharing your experiences.
Just wait until this is all flooded with advertising.
What about myopia?
You’re aging slower than me
what button did you press to reset the 3 windows positions?
This thing is amazing
You just tanked the sales for this thing in Atlanta 😅
28-3!
POOR TANDICE
All I honestly care about in the first place is the health of our eyes. How does it impact them long term? Only time will tell.
Now, it is an interesting device: very dystopian. Gives me chills. I’m getting old.
V1 you see the game in a huge screen on the Moon. V10 do you watch the game as if you’re there?
I was thinking this… maybe we need special technology to record things to recreate the experience of completely giving us the perception of being inside the shot.
The lenses actually increase the focal distance to 1-2m in VR headsets so you're not looking at a display right in front of your eyes. For comparison, we usually sit closer to normal monitors.
One could think it's still problematic to look at a fixed object for hours on end but if you're fully grown, it isn't as bad as it sounds. Children and teenagers whose eyes are still developing could become short sighted when using VR for long stretches of time though.
How long until ur neck starts seering in pain tho
He mentioned in his corresponding blog post that he didn't feel relieved when he took it off after about 12 hours with the top strap
We have a Facebook one at work (forgot the name). Too heavy for anything comfortable IMO. looked at the specs, vision pro looks to be the heaviest out of all Products in thr market. Most are 0.5kg. Vision 0.8 I believe.
I usually love new technology and i'm super into futurism but this just looks like a toy for rich people..
A big workspace seems cool but i guess you spend more time adjusting and placing those windows around and giggling that it stays hovering in a room instead of actually doing something with it
+1 for Massimo :). Great review, thank you!
How is the vision pro for reading/writing code? I still can't find one persons opinion on this specific feature. Yes you can "write a blog". But can you read and write _code_?
Why would code be any different? It’s all text
Nice demo
This is really cool.
thanks
So... what's the work part?
Finding it very difficult to not be cynical about this thing. What’s the point? A new type of external monitor that makes you less focused on the work you’re actually doing? One that makes a pointless but comfy office job more bearable?
If it helps this is gonna be a dream for us travelling creative professionals, take your office setup anywhere, in your backpack
I'm a VR and tech enthusiast so take this with a grain of salt. First off, I don't see how this makes you less focused. You can procrastinate without it just as well. If anything, it enables you to create a virtual space that's made for work and work alone. Like James Clear explained in Atomic Habits, using different spaces for specific activities makes it easier to focus and build habits.
But the most fascinating part about VR/AR are the endless possibilities it creates, most of which haven't been discovered yet. You can virtually travel to different places, you can fully immerse yourself in a game or movie. People fear that it will isolate us, but I think the opposite could be the case. We are already consuming content all day long at home or on our phones, mostly alone. In VR, you can enter a virtual space together with friends and do this together. It's basically virtual teleportation like Cleo Abrams explained in her latest video.
Right now, apps are 2D in 3D Space, but it doesn't have to be this way. Apps will be designed completely differently with 3D in mind in the future. Websites will be made of 3D elements. Imagine shopping online while seeing the products in 3D.
I enjoyed gamifying my fitness when I had my Quest 2, it made me more motivated to get physical and even normal VR games felt like a workout, I was moving more.
Like I said, the possibilities are endless. Just google "possibilities of VR", people have already come up with the wildest ideas.
@@Dionyzos It makes you less focused because it shouldn't matter if you're in the Andes or a grassy field in England or wherever if you're writing a book, you should be looking at words and concentrating, not passively enjoying a landscape. Not sure about the travelling thing either, it's just a new kind of screen, and I'm sure with the years and decades they'll get very realistic, but it's still a screen. Immersing yourself in a fantastical landscape from a game or a movie could be cool but again, what's the point? Fictional worlds through games and movies are magical because the director/designer decides meticulously what to show and not show. That's why 360 cameras are not cinema cameras. Amazon in VR on a headset sounds like pure hell to me.
What do you mean "what's the point"? You've just been fed an entire video spelling out all the things you can do with it to vastly enhance just about anything you normally do with a computer.
Is it bettet for everything? Of course not. Does that make it "pointless"? Oh, come on, don't waste eveybody's time.
@@lunakid12 Technology should make humans do useful things they were unable to do before. That's what great technology did through time. This headset does nothing particularly new or useful. It's just a cool computer monitor, and as shiny and sleek as it is, considering its price, I'm not terribly excited. The fact that it's from Apple adds that little extra cynicism, because Apple used to be a company that made great technology for (mostly) the masses.
So much polishing an empty tech. And then there's the screen tearing...
Guess if you want to be a productive worker with the headset, you need to be able to touch type.
If this comment gets 500 likes, I will buy the Apple Vision Pro.
"Isnt that a better view?" No. A simulacrum is never better than reality, not for the average human being.
"it's just a stupid room", the real world is beautiful, not stupid. I legit feel bad for you.
TO-DO LIST
- Do VR video
- Do VR post
- Dont dick around
- Seriously
- No will care about the Vision Pro next week
- This is one of those times to not procrastinate and actually do it quickly
- Frankly it's already too late
- I emailed people at Apple asking if could get one before Launch Day and they were like eat a dick
- Get groceries
- Do laundry
genius
"work" yeah right
Can i just say that i love the way your brain works. Hooked since the Elon stories. Any new thoughts on this matter? Elon update maybe? 🫶
They wrote a whole book on Elon...