John VS Buntaro - Mariko's Husband Beating up Her | Shōgun Episode 5
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- Опубліковано 17 бер 2024
- Shogun Hiroyuki Sanada Samurai series full fight scene
Lord Toda mocking John Blackthorne and drunk because of sake. Lord Toda shooting bow to Mariko, John stand up for Mariko and challenges Buntaro.
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"There is nothing but hatred between my husband and i. Every day, he honours me by keeping me around. In his shoes, i wouldnt give such a dishonored person a thought."
The book is something else.
I Read this in 10th grade
That would be cringe in this show.
@@therealistintheboot8822you're cringe in this comment section
In the original version, Blackthorne goaded Buntaro into drinking a lot of sake after he (Buntaro) claimed bow and arrows are superior than firearm and says he wants to see Buntaro shoot which the latter took it as a challenge. Blackthorne then proceed to jokingly toasts Buntaro for his 'steady hands'. While Buntaro doesn't understand Portuguese, he deduces Blackthorne was mocking him and demanded to demonstrate his skill in archery on spot.
Only to an extent. He honors Buntaro by commanding the arrows be left in the post forever as a reminder of a master archer. Of course Buntaro fucks up and smacks Mariko around.
@@TheCoolProfessor Mariko’s father was shamed and was obliged to commit seppuku. Mariko’s carries this shame and petitions Buntaro annually to allow her to commit sepouku too, Buntaro denies her this privilege, in return she denies him “wifely privileges”.
In himself Buntaro is an unpleasant cruel man in any case, even despised by Hiro-Matsu, his father.
@@mjspice100how do you think she will be able to obliged him wifely privileges if she commited sepuku?😂
@@mjspice100 that's right. She later goes on to threaten him but if he ever comes to her uninvited his welcome will be dry, bitter, and rancid!
@@mjspice100I understand it’s cultural differences and outlook on life, but why during this era in Japan is it seemingly so common that people willingly want to or choose to do sepeku? Like is there seriously nothing else they can do and why so willing to take their own lives in certain situations? I haven’t researched this era of Japan much yet
this sadly shows that people who are capable of self-sacrifice can also be monsters
A lot of shows/films/books used to shy away from this kind of character. Someone who is very capable but is also a piece of shit
I like it. People are rarely one thing and too often we grow accustomed to the notion of the world being black and white.
Doesn't make him any less of a monster, but it certainly adds dimensions to his character. Realistic dimensions in my mind.
This is the best way to describe Samurai
Humans are the same, no matter what corner of the world they're from. Monkeys with big brains...nothing more, nothing less
Monster is bit harsh. He's an honorable samurai, she is nothing but dishonor to him. Sure by today's standards hes cruel to her but in their time there is nothing wrong with how he treats her
Inazo Nitobe wrote in his book Bushido that a Samurai beating his woman is the greatest and most detestable dishonor because not only is the woman weaker than the man (there is no dishonor in beating a weak unarmed opponent) but also because she is in s subordinate position, dependent on her husband, maintains his house, bears his children and more. Furthermore it shows he doesn't have use of words and actions that cold manage such a situation without resorting to physical violence on a person who he could easily overpower. Therefore a Samurai who beats his wife shows the worst of traits, and judgement. He is the most contemptable of men, behaving like a lowly commoner and thug, not a Samurai.
Dude, Inazo Nitobe was a Christian, not a samurai. He just made shit up.
@@MishimaYukio17
But he's echoing attitudes of centuries. I know several historical accounts confirming that. A merchant argueing in front of a court his adversary must be lying, since he is violent to his wife and surely this proves he's so dishonourable that he wouldn't ever speak the truth in court either?
Or like a record of one of my ancestors in the late 18th century being described as getting in altercations with men, because he's known as violent to his wife (which was apparently well-known enough it went from wife to wife, then to their husbands, which sent them to his home for an object lesson). A police report was added to his personal census file specifically describes how he was wrong, since he hit his wife not to bring about obedience, but just out of spite.
Now those files ussually aren't mixed, so I can only guess officials did that to make sure anyone who looked him up immediatly known he was a ****.
@@nvelsen1975 Why would something a merchant argued in court be relevant to "Bushido"? Men not beating the shit out of their womenfolk is an intrinsic property of all half-civilised men. It's not part of a made-up bushido code. However, we Anglos were VERY good to our wives especially, so I suspect Inazo set out to impress his Euro-American audience by emphasising how the samurai weren't wife-beaters, if the above quote is anything to go by. Probably wife battery was much more common in Japan than in Britain and America (we won't speculate about those handsy continentals, however), so it may have been a conscious repudiation of that. Inazo just regurgitates chivalrous romance in attempt to marry his national heritage with his foreign religion. By the way, Inazo died believing he coined the term 'Bushido'. It was Inazo's philosophy more than a samurai philosophy.
@@MishimaYukio17
Because it tells you all you need to know about his concept of honour.
Assuming you care to listen.
Oh dear, it's a white knight thread.
Yeah I'm sure the ruthless murderers of peasant uprisings had calm and measured discussions with their wives about mutual respect that focused on their shared values and worth as individual but also equally important members of the household.
Nah for real weebs are gonna weeb. Sorry. Modernist cultural values or samurai worship. Choose one.
0:52 Let's all agree on one thing - Buntaro may be a horrible, violent husband, but the level of skill required to shoot your bow this accurately while under influence is really impressive and proves his fighting prowess is no joke.
he's a great warrior no one can deny that but boy is he a terrible husband
As someone whose been a trained archer in multiple archery disciplines for over 30 years, that took minimal talent. Doing something like that while drunk only proves that you're a reckless fool. You can still hit a target while drunk, that isn't very difficult. There is nothing whatsoever respectable or honorable about putting someone into that kind of position.
@@-Pathos- id eat mariko
Oh, please, he has skill nothing more, nothing less, skills can be passed down and taught to others who have further discipline than him.
@@-Pathos- Eh. He beats her once but at all other times she is the worse of the two.
Shooting two arrows through the same hole while beeing drunk af? What a skilled warrior Buntaro is!
There's a reason he got to where he is, and it's not his heart.
Major kudos to all 4 actors. Beautifully written and beautifully executed.
Anjin: play with your bow and arrows while i play with your wife
Buntaro: ?????
Mariko: 😬
Fuji: 😏
sake!!!!
I'm dead!! 😂😂
Poor Fuji, trying her best. 😢
Thats her uncle 😞
Buntaro is jealous of Blackthorne. He feels Mariko loves him.
She’d be a better partner for Blackthorne instead on Buntaro
@@armangoode37 unique and original Japanese culture exists because of marriages with Japanese men, not with spoiled undisciplined Westerners.
But soon, in this century Japanese nation and culture will come to an end after thousands of years of history
Fuki is still super sweet tho, bros got a harem building on some Genghis Khan shi
He is not jealous, he is just xenophobic. He cares little about Mariko, and is just pissed that the marriage with her stunned all his chances of improving his status.
He suspects they are having an affair.
He asks Toranaga for permission to kill him.
Then he asks Mariko that they should commit seppuku together
Mariko's way of translating Blackthorne's speech and mannerisms in the most gentile fashion possible, is top tier.
So Buntaro was a guest in someone’s house and he beat his wife there. In real life medieval Japan, what actions would John be entitled to?
Disrupting your host’s home was a major faux pas. Buntaro prostrating himself to Blackthorne and apologizing would be expected. Toranaga forcing him to isolate himself for a week would also be within reason.
@@MorallyDubiousFrog I find this situation kind of funny. Buntaro treats John like he’s an uneducated animal yet he’s the one that disrupted his host’s home.
Just like every 'civilised' place it depends entirely on who has more sway with the local ruling authority.
@@refulgent_fantawhen someone has slept with your wife rules go out the window gtfoh
He bowed down and offered up his sword. John was supposed to take his life then. He chose not to.
When Fuji said "If you disturb this home, you dishonor the Anjin." I just wanted to give her a hug. 😭
She's trying ber best.
This shit sucks
It's also dishonoring her. Imagine going to your niece's house for dinner and acting like that
Sake doesn't cause violence, it reveals it. I would have not walked away.
Buntaro didn't apologize because he thought hitting his wife was wrong. He apologized because he disturbed the peace of another person's house as a guest he has dishonored the host.
John is upset not because his peace got disrupted but because he hit his wife. So this is really is a cultural difference.
Even though Torunaga knew Buntaro beat his wife, he doesn't do anything. He only objects because Mariko is important for his mission and she's her husband's property
Doesn't look like the 2 of them will be besties 4 life. And culture MIGHT play a RATHER minor part in all of this...
Okay tough guy. Make this about you some more
You woulda been boiled alive in Ep 1 already😂
You would never have gotten up when hearing her get beaten. You would continue to lay in bed hoping you're not next had it been you.
Will Farrell: Well that escalated fast
Those saumari take themselves too serious alltogether. They should watch some Louis CK
@@freemason4979 Yabushige makes me laugh though xD
Farrell? Like Colin?
Its four words, cmon man get it right
😂😂😂😂😂
Only way Buntaro survived that is if he betrayed toranaga. There were way to many samurai there for him to get away.
the thing is that there are so many badly written shows that i gotta down grade my critical thinking
@@shrektheswampless6102 Facts. this might have just been lazy writing
I don't think those were samurai, they were poorly armed/armored.
@@VDA19 maybe they didn't have the time to put on the armor, who knows
He survived in the book as well. It was mentioned that he had been helped by Toranaga around 20 rōnin, of which only two survived. For all his faults, Buntaro is a great warrior and had some incredible luck.
Super powerful scene. I was totally hooked. Buntaro is a wife beating piece of shit that loaves his wife.... But he has honor and knows disturbing the home of someone, especially a Hatamoto (bannerman) is a line should never be crossed, even though he openly mocks John as a monkey. I don't know much about Samurai culture, but taking off your slippers, sitting down on the ground bowing low with your sword placed down, that must be some sort of serious apology! If John just shot him there and then, Toranaga would probably have accepted the situation.
Lol. You're holding culture from the 1600s to today's standards. Back then, it was just another day at the office giving a woman the speed bag treatment.
@@dl30wpb this is fiction, its based on a book, based on the 1600s. If the culture or story was remotely based on non-fiction, it wouldn't be so entertaining.
@@kevinwong8693because it's fiction, it doesn't entirely mean stuff like this never happened.
@@dl30wpb literally not even true of that culture lmfao when you have to lie to prop up your shitty nonsense it's just pathetic
@@dl30wpb 1600s or no, there is no way anyone could look at this and say it was just. Doesn't matter what time you come from, his wife did nothing but exist in the presence of his anger in showing weakness in front of another man.
Getting an expert warrior your hardly know drunk is the definition of F around and finds out.
Buntaro just upset that Anjin has a full head of hair
I know it’s their hairstyle and it’s historically accurate but it’s hilarious to me that they willingly gave themselves male pattern baldness. Took me a few episodes to get used to it.
I mean so does buntaro he shaves it lol
And strong jawline of european genetic. Also rare blue eyes.
@@meinkek7896Buntaro just mad Chadjin mogs him every living moment they're in the same room
That’s called a haircut…
Fuji cute face 😢
This guy is still alive ? Dang
dont know man
plot armor
group of ronin helped him
Unfortunately
@@shrektheswampless6102 No not at all I really wish more ppl would read the book before watching it makes it all so much better.
Fuji was a W hype man the entire show
In South korea you actually get lighter sentences for alcohol influenced crimes..crazy
That why many people always make sure they are drunk before commited crime.
That's nuts wtf?
It's different in Korea because the population do not have the specific gene to process alcohol. Even a single shot can make them wasted af. To take alcohol as a Korean is like a westerner doing crack and commiting a crime
I think that's the case in many countries. Not being in the right state of mind is a mitigating circumstance.
In German law there is something called "fahrlässiger Vollrausch" which I'd translate as "neglicent full intoxication".
Getting so drunk that you can't be held responsible for your actions is a crime itself, because at some point you were sober and started to drink until you are a danger to yourself and others.
@@bdrago5420 that's a good law . Decent people don't go around murdering and assaulting just because they got drunk .
While this scene was quite uncomfortable to watch, I am glad that it is there. It portrays perfectly the collision of Blackthorn's culture with Japanese culture perfectly.
he's the first Karen.
He was left for dead defending his wife's escape and makes it back to her and she's already banging another guy.
ロウソクの灯りの中で撮影
現代だからできる演出
Stanley Kubrick did it fifty years ago, when he filmed Barry Lyndon in 1973 and 1974.
I feel that.
@@Hibernicus1968 The 70s were modern times.
Westerners implanting the idea that if they sleep with your wife - U should know your place and apologize to them… horrible stuff, NGL. Know your value, Japanese bro.
Watched the episode where Buntaro elegantly made Makiro tea and it looked like there may be a glimmer of something between them… and she said “I’d rather live a thousand years than die with you”.
All I could think was, “worst she could say is no”
Sorpresa para Anjin San al recibir las disculpas de Buntaro
You lot are unhinged. Someone just said buntaro is so good at playing a domestic abuser that they think he actually is one irl.
Jesus Christ, why can’t people just call the guy a fantastic actor and call it a god damn day?
😅
At the rate people are losing the ability to discern the difference between fantasy and reality it's probably about 10 years before they start holding new Nuremberg trials for actors that played Nazis.
@dswanny Because, unfortunately, many people with low IQs walk amongst us. Lol
Good job Blackthorne getting this clearly abusive guy drunk out of his mind.
Surely a good film, but I don't understand what criteria are used for the lighting. As I see it, I didn't see anything at all due to absolute darkness.
It’s darker in this video than it is in the actual shiw
Show*
0:20 i lovr fuji 😂
1:59
What does this mean if not: before I die, I will have known love.
Let it be know that Anjin-sama had the last taste of Mariko-Sama's cake. I know who my hatamoto is! xD
Makes me wonder if the physical violence from the husband Buntaro came from him after Mariko telling Buntaro she slept with John? 🤔
No.
If she did she would have been killed in those days.
It's pretty obvious. If she told him or not he knew.
what is the song at 2:42
This scene felt like the one in Skyfall where Javier Bardem gets Bond to shoot the whiskey glass off the girl's head.
Sake sake is you’re excuse
Shrek: "Can't we settle this over a pint?"
Island boys: 💂🏻♂️🥷🏻... "NO!" "IEE!"
Shrek: "Omae wa mou shindeiru."
Island boys: "Wha.." "Nan.."
Sense none this to me makes.
NANI?
SAKE?!?!?!?
Where's Sanji when you need him?
I feel so bad for John's wife and kids back at John home country of England John cheated on his wife without a second thought.
He cheated on her with a number of women in Japan. If I remember correctly, his English wife's name was "Tudor" or something like that. Been a long while since I read the book.
William Adams was forbidden from ever leaving Japan so he did take a Japanese wife. However he sent money generated from His Japanese estates to his wife in England for the rest of his life. So he still looked out for the welfare of his wife and Children from her even though he never saw her again.
Long distance relationships are not for everyone.
Well, In that age, mariko is lucky. cheated but not paid by death.
In the book, Buntaro actually executed his own mother for adultery while his father was on campaign.
Nobody can punish Mariko for adultery because nobody has any proof it happened, and nobody who knows it happened will say anything.
Buntaro failed in his duty as both husband and father throughout their marriage. How can you cheat on someone who has never really fulfilled their role in any manner and done everything to ruin it?
@@kineticballs77 irrelevant. He's never been an actual husband to her in any regard. He's failed his duties for years and she is not beholded to him
@@MorallyDubiousFrog
I read in the book that Toranago would have Buntaro killed if he had proof that John and Mariko were having an affair with he viewing them are more important than he is
He also thought that there was nothing wrong with them having sex while Buntaro being thought dead
@@tenjenk Why is he the one at fault? She's looked down on him and treated him like crap since day one.
Buntaro might become a Ronin...
He already is.
blackthorne is apuppy
What are they eating?
Nissan cup of noodles!
Samurai are thug nothing more,cinema immotalise them some kind legendary noble humanbeing
how in the world did he survive?
He level up so fast and enemy couldnt keep up 😂
"Fuck it. We ballin"
He managed to rally a bunch of guys and fought their way out. It was a close call and Buntaro lost a lot of men while also this close of getting killed himself. It explains his reluctant to tell a story of his escape and how his condescending demeaner turned into seething rage when Blackthorne mentioned it.
It is explained in the episode, but "plot armor" sums it up
Ronins.
there is a lot of emotional shouting in this show.
SAKE?!!
Thorne Shoulda slotted him
Imagine sleeping with somebody’s wife and then slotting that person. Y’all westerners kinda amusing, NGL.
Also it’s not for U 2 decide who should slot who, so zip it, lil coz
@@hgyuuuuhj098 lay off the rocks g
So he is sorry for disturbing the peace, but he is fine openly mocking John at this place and John just acts oblivious. The writers really messed this scene up.
He is shameful cuz he is bound to his duty not cuz of Blackthorne with the social convention of Japan at the time, man ya are illiterate af
John wasn’t acting my oblivious, he doesn’t know Japanese
I like how this scene already shows Blackthorne is learning Japanese by hearing it so much
This show screams “wyte man so gentleman!!”
In this scene
Buntaro wanna prove that he can protect his wife by his mastery archery skill.
For Mariko, she has always wanted to die so, she does give a f.
Buntaro loves mariko (in his way) so he has not allowed her to Seppuku
John was a stud
I prefer the original one of Shogun in 1980
Nobody asked tbh
Having read the book and seen the original series, they really butchered this
How dare they not rewrite history and include a strong angry black trans lesbian woman with 11 kids to save them all.
People getting offended by things they make up, more at 5.
You need to get a life
🙄
You seem triggered.
You mean 11 abortions
He's a PUPPY compared to my Dad!
They get all tense for his outburts?
He's like a Puppy dog trying to sound scary!
that cgi arrow looked really fake
Lol wait till you find out it’s a real arrow the actor shot
画面が暗い映画は
程度が低い
This is bullshit. I don't remember a lot from the book as it's been 20 years or so but Buntaro, though an asshole, did have honor and the original scene was an amazing display of archery and menta focus.
throughout the show they show him doing things which are different than his personality. in the tea scene he asks to commit seppuku with mariko. It shows that while he is a honorable man he is also a deeply flawed man.
Good. That will teach her a lesson!
This actor is so convincing as a domestic abuser it kinda makes me wanna question him
dont be patetic bruh this is just acting
Doesn’t that just prove that he’s a good actor? He made him believe his acting goes beyond acting.
This show has some incredible actors.
His acting is so good it makes it seem real to you!
This guy unironically doesnt know what acting is 🤦♂️
this scene could not have happened in this way in the period this took place. By this period European table manors for some one of "Johns" class were highly formalized slurping noodles at the table like a 5 year old would never have happened some one operating at this level would never be so stupid as to think a diner like this was simply a meal. letters of mark are handed out to friends of the court not randos the man would have had to formally wine and dine lots and lots of nobles prior to receiving them and even being allowed to own the ship and guns would have been privileges of his class. As to the Japanese they were in fact quite impressed by the table manors of the "barbarians" saw it for what it was "formality" and as the Japanese were themselves addicted to formality they adopted similar behaviors so that they would not be seen as rude in the eyes of western nobles. these behaviors included discontinuing the use of fingers to eat at the table. prior to this chop sticks were mainly used for cooking and rarely as personal utensils to place food in to ones mouth.
Is Jhon high class? I tought he was just a sailor/mercenary.
@@davidpineda9160yeah the guy above you doesn’t understand blackthorne was based off William Adams, a fatherless self-made sailor and merchant
@@davidpineda9160 He is a Navigator, which makes him an officer. Not Arristocrate high class, but upper middle class for the time
Got it@@marvinamann4969
I think the issue was simply that he has trouble eating with sticks
This scene is complete garbage rip off of the original Shogun 1997 which is way better and better series if you ask me. this new shogun ripped so many scenes from the original and made is worse
the original Shogun was 1980
I enjoyed it a lot more than the new one
Nah, John acting tough and wants to fight Buntaro is the most stupid things that he could ever do.
If Buntaro wants, he could split his head in two in seconds. 😂
BUNTARO >>>>>> BLACKHORN(y)
gun>sword bozo
... Thus making his dishonor permanent if he did so.. also the samurai were good , but a bullet is still faster than a sword.
@@MrHammerofdoom A flintlock is not a Glock, it is slow, heavy and inaccurate. The reason why infantry still had guts to use melee weapons in this time period. Japanese terrain was also a bitch so you would have higher chance getting killed by a yumi out of nowhere than old firearms
@@JABelmsIDK. Standing 5 ft away someone with a flintlock kinda eliminates those disadvantages don't you think?
@@danielnguyen5394 More than that a flintlock will win 24/7, but at a very confined space and Blackthorn doesn't even have the pistol drawn, iaijutsu has swordsmen slashing something in a fraction of a second with a reach of 7 ft....
This episode is not good
I respect your obviously wrong opinion
@@pevlez Blood to the fist rather to be called Earthquake and Yelling
@@Daiciyomon_4594Then don't watch it and shut the fuck up
@@Daiciyomon_4594 Please refraining from making peviez repeat themselves with additional wrong opinions, theres only so much stupidity everyone can be subjected to before we suspect you of fetal alcohol syndrome.
@@pevlez i don’t respect ur cringe opinion
Glad the big white man was there to protect the uWu asian kween. Yeahhh
Cringe comment, delete it. If you think such treatment and beating were not common you are insane.
Yeah, historical accuracy and facts of the way people treated each other over five hundred years ago is a bitch.
It’s from a book
How do you manage to sound this cringe through a comment lol
Capitalize White.
How pointless some of western feminists and wokes complaining this is misogyny🥱