1. e4 e5: A Discussion (Eventually Middlegames) - GM Ben Finegold
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- Опубліковано 6 вер 2024
- Grandmaster Ben Finegold gives an intriguing talk about the most common amateur opening, the double King pawn game. Learn to play more than the boring Giuoco Piano. Spring traps and know to avoid them. See two Ruy Lopez middlegames that Finegold played.
2016.01.12
C50 Blackburne shilling gambit
Boris Kreiman vs. Benjamin Finegold, 2002: C64 Ruy Lopez, classical defence, Benelux variation
Ferdinand Hellers vs. Finegold, 1990: C64 Ruy Lopez, classical defence, Benelux variation
I'm amazed at how many jokes Ben is able to make and how quickly he thinks of them. I think he analyzes joke variations as much as chess variations!
Bobby Hall ye
Yet you hear no audible laughs. FeelsBadMan
Bobby Hall I thought his jokes were great, and if his chess students are as poor as an audience had he been a comedian they will lose a lot more than he's hoping
A couple of his jokes were gambits.... which I declined ;)
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"You don't have to master the middlegame you can 1500 the middlegame"
Me: “Hey, that’s my favorite opening!”
Ben: “You will never see this opening in GrandMaster levels, you’ll see this often in kid matches”
Me: Oh 🙂
lol sorry Italian game isn't the best to play but if ur an Italian game player, try the London system which is similar but way better.
@@majo9145 what if I'm an italian player🤔
@@seess8251 :) oop idk wut to do in ur case then
@@majo9145 i don't know what u are saying but Italian game is played quite frequently
Arkos 11 at Gm level though?
"Because in movies, grandmaster games end in five moves."
When Anish Giri is playing the games often end in five moves - because he offers a draw!
Once i was watching a movie with chess game included, the master player was thinking 5 minutes and delivered checkmate in 1. I believe Ben was not joking
@@Mati-zc2ym wonder what film.
You seen revolver? Kind of a caricature of chess. As if the gambit is some revolutionary idea
Oh I would like to resummon people back to this comment
Also in 32:02 why didn't Ben Finegold take the queen with his light square bishop?
33:50
Ben Finegold: “My pawn structure is a little raggedy but I have a nice bishop”
Eric Rosen: “I gave away a queen for two pawns but I have a nice knight”
Eric “connect four” Rosen
"that's correct. Wait, how are you correct? You feeling alright?"
i like this guy
He's great
LOL that's exactly what i thought after watching for like 5 minutes
He's da best
Bro I always watch ur vids it’s so cool you know Ben finegold XD
man. these lectures are so easy to watch. can just binge em alllll day
that's what I do and I barely even play chess
what the hell
One of GM Finegolds finest lectures. Not just because of the amount of jokes. So many lines to learn from, and stories to keep you entertained. Keep coming back to this every once in a while. So much to see, it's like a Waldo.
"After Nf6, I may have died, and he would have won the game"
That's his explanation to why his opponent should have played a losing move rather than resigning. This guy is fucking hilarious.
_"...But since I won the game, do you think I accepted the draw?"
_"that's right, you're paying attention" lol
Ben is such an excellent speaker, huge knowledge, witty as hell, what a delight.
I love this guy, it's like binge watching Netflix.
Such a good lecturer, it's amazing.
36:45 holy crap. ben remembers every move of some random game he played in 1988.
I'm assuming he may have prepared for this lesson
That’s not uncommon when you have analyzed your games...For example I’m a trash 1400 online player but I think about my otb games I have analyzed a lot in my head so I can more or less remember the key ideas from games months ago.
I definitely think his memory is really good but also I think the games are main lines for certain openings with a little twist maybe so he's really just recalling the one unique move and then playing out the obvious following best moves. But yeah he is super talented in any case
his memory is insane. there's a video of him playing at a chess center and after he mates the guy he sets the board up again and shows every single move immediately after exactly as the game was played.
Ben is hilarious! When someone doesn't know the answer to one of his questions, he gives them a hard time. When someone answers correctly, he still gives them a hard time and asks them if they're feeling ok. LOL
This is one of the best lectures I've ever seen. Cheers to GM Ben.. Humorous and well informed fellow
No one could ever believe how entertaining chess could be!
Idk why but after that guy at 29:30 coughed and Ben said "thank you" I started laughing
that had me dying
I love this. Ben should try standup comedy!
dave zick he prefers sit down, he’s much too lazy for standup
you know its Finegold when someone asks the topic of the lecture after 23:49
This is just a great all around video. I played this for my wife, my 6 year old and my 3 year old. I enjoyed this as a review too! I recommend this to players of all levels and all ages. That is pretty to make a video that can be useful to such a wide spectrum of players.
Thank you for shouting out The Lutzhin Defense. I watched it after you mentioned it, and I quite enjoyed it actually. Very obscure chess film. I love Turturro. I also love the internet for having these kinds of videos for me to learn from. Thanks for the mention and the awesome e4,e5 discussion.
LOL. Waited 14 minutes for the mention of "Mike Kummer!"
PuzzleSolver
Yes. That would be great! !
+PuzzleSolver Then they can both analyze the same game and see how differently they think.
+EvilSecondTwin Mike Kummer is the funniest joke Ive herd all day!
but then he went on a streak at some point he said 3 times in a min
‘Cheat like a Grandmaster’ had me spitting out my fruit loops. Hilarious. Would surely be a bestseller, Ben should write it!
3 year anniversary of this video, and a Clemson joke is funnier than ever. Finegold analyzes those joke lines like a GM.
Two thumbs up, great content, verifiable by those in know, video recommended thank you!
This channel needs more subs and also deserve it
after 20:00 the analysis is so funny it brought tears to my eyes for the next 5 mins
23:43 That "Temporary confusion" made someone in the room forget what was happening there entirely! hah!
Hehehe
Don’t who is who, just stumbled into this and I could not get past how much drink the speaker can gulp in one talk. Wholly cow !
"Many of you are familiar with Steve Davis, the snooker player." Ben never fails to make me laugh, often within the first minute of his videos xD
"Bb5: Too Sophisticated!" LMAO
I was crying from laughter by minute 22 or so. Hilarious analysis
Daniel MacDonald “hilarious analysis”, what an understatement...
15:01 The engine gives Nf7 a surprisingly high score, as the second best move after d4. It sacrifices a piece to gain tempo, which gets the black king out into the open where it can be harassed with Qf3.
These are great lessons, entertaining, and engaging. Thank you.
Ben spitting fire and taking shots as usual.
Alex "not guilty" Serzer. lost it
Wait, so "Cheat Like a Grandmaster" by GM Ben Finegold was just a joke? Nooooo!
Parker Beck no. He just says it's a joke so you can say it's a joke if you get caught. If you don't get caught, you just cheated like a grandmaster. If you do get caught, you just joked like a grandmaster. Win either way.
2nd comment... @4:14.... GM Ben Finegold is preaching the truth right here. In fact, I find myself laughing.
...slightly less violent...slightly less...
He is actually right about Spanish vs Italian game. And it goes as far as national masters at least.
I myself prefer Italian. Especially in blitz which I happen to play the most. If I play Spanish it is because I have saw grandmasters doing it.
In fact I rarale even play e4-e5 from both sides nowadays. Since I stick to D4 with white and Sicilian or Carrocan with black in response to E4.
Ben you explain things good buddy. Keep it up and thank you 👍
Omg why is no one laughing at these funny af jokes??
dry delivery and they're often a bit obscure, especially for the kids
I'm thinking the microphone just doesn't pick them up.
His audience are kids
He just put up some pieces of cardboard with child faces from newspapers and magazines glued to them. He even named some of them
Funny how people never took about "greed" when it's good to take something - only when it's a mistake.
Well, to be greedy is a character flaw, so taking something when it's RIGHT to do it IMO, is not greed. It is what you should do, that's the goal of the game. But if that urge to take a piece means to do a mistake, than you're been greedy.
"Wait for my book Cheat like a grandmaster. Co-written by Borislav Ivanov-
*shakes fist at the sky*
-who's not a grandmaster!"
13:55 Love how Ben likes to break the fourth wall.
4:52 Finegold has just asked which two players where involved in a Worldchampionshipmatch in the year 2000. He chooses someone among the audience to answer the question.
The guy answers Kasparov and Kramnik. Finegold replies that it´s correct, looks slightly surprised and asks the guy if he´s feeling allright. That´ so funny. Had I been the guy I would have said: " - Of course I followed your advice and drank a lot of Ayahuasca! It works man!" Ha Ha Ha
GM Finegold's comedy rating is 3100 ELO. Just hilarious.
I swear, Professor Finegold is developing Lectures that are going to make for an amazing tome!
Can you imagine how beautiful a 770 page Book entitled:
1. e4 e5: A Discussion (New Haven and London: Yale University Press, 20??).
30:39 He must have an eagle eye to see this desparado. What a legend.
I didnt get it... :(
TheConcentrationmoon I
He's referring to Desperado by The Eagles, correct?
Eagles often have great eyesight so he's praising the one who was able to see that desperado
Still more Finegold please.
No one laughs at his jokes but they’re hilarious, I think his crowd is a bit dull
Turns out it’s children lol
I know I am stupid like a 3yr old but is Morphy still alive?
@@barakap6230 yes he is on his wheel chair,, jumping up and down
@@rawseed2973 wtf haha. I didnt know who morphy was at that point.
20:16 "Black played a move I've never seen before [in the Scotch] 3. . . . d5." . . . If Ben would have read Nimzovich's "My System" he would have seen this move discussed in chapter one.
You do know he is joking right? This was a beginners' class and the point was to make them learn that playing d5 against scotch is quite sharp for newbies
Just saw the 1st 3min....already may fav presenter !
21:49 This kid gave him a heart attack
JimLink HAHAHA
Ah yes, this week's lesson from four years ago. Right on time
One of the funniest commentators out there period if biting Wit was an elo Ben would be in the candidates with Jan and Lawrence !
I couldn't help but think of curb your enthusiasm when GM Finegold talked about the GM turned lawyer is Sweden... "I got sweeded!"
actually marseille is the second biggest city in france i think lyon is fourth after montpellier. but nice content i like to play against the ruy lopez like you
Terrific video. Thank-you!
34:15 This has nothing to do with chess, but the second biggest city in France is Marseille, not Lyon.
I had to say something.
I also thought about that. And I think (not sure tho) that Bordeaux might be bigger than Lyon
@@giovannicarriero7902 It actually depends what you call "a city". If you're only talking about the commune, meaning the area that's ruled by only one mayor, then it's Paris Marseille Lyon Toulouse. If you're talking about urban area, meaning the total area with inuntterupted buildings (you then can have several communes and mayors), then it's Paris Lyon Marseille Lilles.
This is one seriously cool guy :)
Whenever he says very suspicious to an obvious blunder😂😂
I know its just a quote but rather than say "If you want to become world champion you have to play 1.e4 e5." I would just say to become the best player one can he should learn how to play symmetrical pawn positions and understand the strategies involved in doing so. Two works were very instrumental to me in learning symmetrical pawn positions, Mastering The Spanish by Daniel King and The Middlegame volumes 1 and 2 by Euwe and Kramer. I highly recommend the latter due to the fact that the classical games are very instructive in understanding the errors that were made by those players and how improvements have been made over the years.
Ben is actually so funny in this lecture it hurts
Thanks! Great professor.
23:47 "What's the lecture topic today?" ........TERRIBLE!
This was a good lecture.
Never been to St Louis Chess Club, and think I never will. But I'm SO CURIOUS of where the Kingside Diner Classroom is, and is there Queenside Diner in there?
I never knew uncle Fetzer was such a brilliant mind!!
Steve davis won 6 world championships in the 80s but still cool to hear him mentioned here
LOL!! I love that the video description says this is an "intriguing talk about the most common amateur opening", even though Wei Yi and Magnus Carlsen played an e4,e5 opening recently and grandmasters have been been playing e4,e5 for decades. Was this description an attempt at irony?
If you’re not sure, then take things. Also, never trade. Only grandmasters can understand such wisdom.
I like this just because of what you said about the legend Steve Davis
I played 4...Bc5 in the Berlin this past weekend--really liked it. Easy for White to go astray if they're expecting a 3...a6 line.
Different note: Ben would've scared the crap out of me as a kid--I would've tried anything to avoid being the object of that take-no-prisoners sense of humor! As an adult, it'd be a lot easier to fire back.
"You are 2/3rds right" .... So sick.
I love both snooker and chess.
+フィッシャー00769 Then you are a real intellectual powerhouse.
And League of Legends?
League is more like a love-hate relationship. I like the game, but there is hardly anything more that can frustrate me more than all the trolls, afks, and ragers who wish cancer on my entire family after one misplay. >
Joseph Heller wrote Catch 22 if memory serves me correctly.
It turns out that e4 e5 is a complex opening, alot of tactics right from the beginning
That gulping at 17:30 was serious
Luv ya, Ben! Very entertaining!
Thanks, i was actually waiting for this discussion for a long time. I think e4 e5 is still solid, but ofc, out of super gm range.
+cyxFrag what are you talking about ? out of super gm range ? still solid ? like WUT?
+cyxFrag
Huh? The Spanish game is still one of the most popular openings for GMs. The Berlin is especially fashionable.
funniest lecture ive seen so far
"If it's not legal you can try it anyway"
would love to see a video exploring some of the theory in the King's Gambit - (1.e4 e5, 2 f4) - I'm sure Ben thinks its a *terrible* opening, but it's definitely an antidote to boring gauco piano snoozefests :)
+CuddlyZombieGames So you play the kings gambit to avoid the giuco piano ? lmao why dont u just play Bb5 then
+valentijnraw well, actually because Ruy Lopez is also not really to my taste - it still feels a little bit like the italian game, and most of my opponents tend to know the book lines quite well. I don't think I'm complete insane to say that after e4 e5, going into the KG is definitely taking the game far, far away from the italian games. I certainly wouldn't claim that KG is the best opening (it's possibly even actually unsound) but it's great fun and at an amateur level, I think it produces exactly the kinds of games that a beginning chess player would enjoy
+CuddlyZombieGames GM niclas huschenbeth often plays the king's gambit in online blitz and has even used it in a tournament and he won with it, it can sometimes be a good secret weapon because no one ever expects it, most of the time though black can come out with an equal position fairly easily, It's good to have a little fun and spice your game up a bit
I'm pretty sure Marseille is the second biggest city in France by a good bit.
Steve Davis was the Snooker player on The Increasingly Poor Decisions of Todd Margret
I never got a real interest in chess back in high school since we were literally playing every game as either giuoco piano or Ruy Lopez. Not only they're boring, they're also so theoretical after the first 4-5 moves that knowledge is a big boost, so if you try to complicate things most probably you immediately get into trouble.
I still get the yuck feeling when I watch Caruana's games because of this traumatic past.
Marcello try going through paul morphy games with the Evans gambit positions
It will get your appetite back for chess
And get you buzzing
At 15:00, after KxD5 then D4, what is white supposed to do when ExD4? It seems strong for black.
Snucker is a new sport to me
I like Ben, he seems like a great guy
One of the best
That tric in 13.10 is Kostic mate from Kostic gambit...
I love Ben with missing tooth. He'd make an excellent Fegin. Honestly, he needs to replace that with a solid gold tooth.
Hi ! Thank you for the videos ! Why did you move to Belgium in 1988 ? I am half-belgian, half-russian, and I was curious.
nice lesson
Berlin is like Petrov, almost impossible for black to win if white wants draw. To get anywhere at lower levels you have to win with both colors.
giggling away, yeah Steve Davis was boring
I always play the Steinitz scotch 4...Qh4. Blasphemy to call it a terrible move. Fortune follows the brave.
Beyond all understanding !
What a elites