The Vienna: Lecture by GM Ben Finegold

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  • Опубліковано 23 гру 2024

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  • @WhizzerdSupreme
    @WhizzerdSupreme 7 місяців тому +37

    Yes, finally!! The Vienna needs more love ❤

    • @somethingironic2227
      @somethingironic2227 7 місяців тому

      my thoughts exactly

    • @f.d.3289
      @f.d.3289 7 місяців тому +1

      it does get mine... i actually played the King's Gambit when I realized that I really like the so-called Mason-Keres variation (2...exf4 3.Nc3). And then I thought hey, why not play Nc3 first. And actually I have gotten interested in the Jobava-London where you also play 2.Nc3. Very underrated move, this 2.Nc3 :)

    • @howardgraff4084
      @howardgraff4084 7 місяців тому

      Shhhh! ;)

    • @f.d.3289
      @f.d.3289 7 місяців тому

      @@howardgraff4084 😂😂😂

  • @adomaskuzinas2137
    @adomaskuzinas2137 7 місяців тому +37

    Finally Ben mentioned Australia!

    • @michaelgraflmusic
      @michaelgraflmusic 7 місяців тому +3

      As an Austrian, I too am happy that it was mentioned.

    • @-_Nuke_-
      @-_Nuke_- 3 місяці тому

      @@michaelgraflmusic 6 Austrians pressed thumbs up in this video

    • @wengemurphy
      @wengemurphy Місяць тому

      I​@@michaelgraflmusicI too am from Germany. G'day mate!

  • @sar14cos
    @sar14cos 7 місяців тому +3

    Good Lecture, and very good choice of games. In French it is called Partie Viennoise and une viennoise is also a pastry.

  • @f.d.3289
    @f.d.3289 7 місяців тому +3

    heeey how nice, another opening lecture by my favourite GM Ben Finegold, plus it's about my favourite 1.e4 opening with White :)

  • @dantepilgrim
    @dantepilgrim 7 місяців тому +3

    Nigel is a legend! Thanks for the video Christian ❤

  • @andreitiberiovicgazdovici
    @andreitiberiovicgazdovici 7 місяців тому +8

    I had three ancestors in the family who fought for the Austro-Hungarian army in the First World War; however, I grew up in Italy as an Italian... and therefore I prevented my nostalgic grandfather from whistling the "Radetzky March"😂👍

  • @nunosantos4217
    @nunosantos4217 7 місяців тому +4

    As a Vienna enjoyer, I was delighted by the lecture and learned quite a lot. I usually like to play either the Gambit or just go into a Vienna Hybrid, gonna look into some of these other stuff.
    It's refreshing to see someone talk positively about the Vienna. The general sensus seems to be, if it's not popular it's bad, cause if it was good it would be popular. It reminds me of a lecture that you made about the Scotch, where noone was playing it until Kasparov started demolishing everyone with it.
    So it really might be a fashion thing, until then, Im happy staying under the radar. If anything, in my opinion (which is worth nothing) the Vienna could be seen as a great opening for beginners because of the lack of theory. You actually have to learn to play the game instead of just relying on theory.

  • @kodybrown9228
    @kodybrown9228 7 місяців тому +5

    d3 may be the third best move but it’s definitely the most fun.

  • @thenoblegnuwildebeest3625
    @thenoblegnuwildebeest3625 7 місяців тому +79

    The Austrian's greatest trick has been convincing the world that Hitler was German and Beethoven was Viennese.

    • @playermartin286
      @playermartin286 7 місяців тому

      Anybody who isn´t American knows this is not true

    • @crazymulgogi
      @crazymulgogi 7 місяців тому +1

      Wasn't that Mozart (who was German by birth)?

    • @FlorianDuy
      @FlorianDuy 7 місяців тому +12

      Mozart wurde im Fürsterzbistum Salzburg geboren, das erst nach den napoleonischen Kriegen nach Österreich kam.

  • @JeffPHamm
    @JeffPHamm 7 місяців тому +2

    I enjoyed this a lot. You touch upon some interesting ideas that I think often get overlooked, specifically the idea of "fashion" in terms of openings chosen by top GMs being different from the "objective truth" of an opening. I think it would be interesting to hear your own personal thoughts on openings/lines that are underplayed relative to their ... quality? (objectively they are good, but they get played far less than perhaps they should type thing). That's sort of one message of this lecture, but it's specific to the Vienna. I'm sure it's not the only one.

  • @TheBibleIsBoring
    @TheBibleIsBoring Місяць тому

    44:52 Why do you almost always play f4? The engine evaluates it at -0.6, while alternatives like Bc4 or Nf3 are evaluated at +0.3.

    • @liljackypaper
      @liljackypaper 9 днів тому

      Because it's vicious if black doesn't know how to play against it, which 90%+ time they don't. The best move is played only 7% of the time at lower and middle levels.

  • @subhankarbhadra781
    @subhankarbhadra781 7 місяців тому +1

    Thanks to the person who sponsored. Really nice.

  • @calvinthegreat69
    @calvinthegreat69 7 місяців тому +1

    A couple years ago I gained about 300 rating points online with the 3. bc4 variation.
    I'm pretty low rated so I found it very common to either see people over extend trying to target the bishop or I'd have time to f4, nf3, and castle. If you can set that up, you can get a really nice king side attack. Would recommend at low ratings.

  • @howardgraff4084
    @howardgraff4084 7 місяців тому +1

    Thanks Ben. A very good lecture that is worth more than one viewing. (BTW, you forgot to mention that I'm not Ben Finegold.)

  • @kingberzerk
    @kingberzerk 7 місяців тому

    33:43 in the Dracula Frankenstein "12...h6 to stop 13.Bg5" - not the only obvious move for Black.

  • @davewolf6256
    @davewolf6256 7 місяців тому +8

    This is important for me because I play the Vienna 99% of the time I open--but my understanding of the theory is garbage.

    • @julianpilbrow4963
      @julianpilbrow4963 7 місяців тому +1

      This is taking way too long and is the reason why they banned 2-way-coms because people can press their eyes right up against the LCD.

  • @tomrockefeller4620
    @tomrockefeller4620 7 місяців тому +3

    I was hoping to see how the sausage is made.

  • @aarons3014
    @aarons3014 7 місяців тому

    Eric Schiller's Wikipedia article is one hell of a read. FWIW I knew him slightly, and he was nice to me the few times we interacted.

  • @adolfohuet3974
    @adolfohuet3974 2 місяці тому

    Should it be Jonathan Harker?

  • @MuseseekerMan
    @MuseseekerMan 7 місяців тому

    As a Vienna player myself I love Bc4 after Nc6. I'm surprised you didn't cover it.

    • @nunosantos4217
      @nunosantos4217 7 місяців тому +1

      I play those lines as well. I think he didn't cover it because those aren't "true" Viennas and usually will go into Vienna-Berlin Hybrids (with moves like d3 and/or f4 and some point)

    • @Sandfox07
      @Sandfox07 7 місяців тому

      My friend also really likes playing that, he actually switched to the bishops opening because you can easily transpose, but you also have the option of not comitting Nc3. You could try it out too if you want

  • @vaccaphd
    @vaccaphd 7 місяців тому

    I think Kortchnoi played it against Karpov. Not sure.

  • @IvanFrödin-x3d
    @IvanFrödin-x3d Місяць тому

    17:11 This is not winning for white as Be3, Bg3 and Rg1+, Kf3, Rxg3 and Kxe2 draws... so he just lost on time and did not find the move.

  • @mcronrn
    @mcronrn 7 місяців тому +1

    There are fun lines where the Vienna transposes to the Nc3 (??) Kings Gambit Accepted… 😳🤣

  • @NCSurf888
    @NCSurf888 2 місяці тому

    "Maybe my lecture was boring, so you were doing something else" Was the first thing I heard for at least 45 seconds... ironic.

  • @johnmahugu
    @johnmahugu 7 місяців тому +1

    This is how to study chess properly.

  • @chadmacgargle5311
    @chadmacgargle5311 7 місяців тому

    Very cool games Ben!

  • @sublimeade
    @sublimeade 7 місяців тому +1

    My favorite GMs opening GothamChess

  • @jeffreyfisher3115
    @jeffreyfisher3115 7 місяців тому +1

    But you know that when the truth is told
    That you can get what you want or you can just get old
    You're gonna kick off before you even get halfway through, ooh
    When will you realize Vienna waits for you?

  • @danjeory3659
    @danjeory3659 6 місяців тому

    I suspect the person that updated the wiki article had watched a few of Levy's videos and presumed he knew everything.

  • @trmble6
    @trmble6 7 місяців тому

    I can hear the sadness in Ben’s voice

  • @klizzukk
    @klizzukk 7 місяців тому +1

    Frankenstein-Dracula ?? Gad damn!

  • @AG-ld6rv
    @AG-ld6rv 4 місяці тому +1

    I just learned the Vienna and checkmated a real GM. I was using Stockfish though. I kid, I kid. I never learned the Vienna.

  • @iniohos2
    @iniohos2 7 місяців тому +1

    We want Karen to give a lecture.

  • @64Sq
    @64Sq 5 місяців тому

    such a tricky opening

  • @maxneparewak
    @maxneparewak 7 місяців тому

    i got cooked against a vienna at a club tournament yesterday so i guess it is good for club players. ben is right again

  • @tabby7189
    @tabby7189 3 місяці тому

    Nakamura literally doesn't care 😂😂😂
    (15:36)

  • @ganeshsankarasubramanian142
    @ganeshsankarasubramanian142 7 місяців тому

    Was half expecting obvious sattorov joke

  • @Alensbove
    @Alensbove 20 днів тому

    “ he had pieces and now he doesn’t 😂😂😂”

  • @sickfold
    @sickfold Місяць тому

    41:50 best part LOL

  • @King.Mark.
    @King.Mark. 7 місяців тому

    Are they real books made from paper from a tree that once grew on earth then filled with taughts from a human put into words made from real letters 👀 but not the kind that need stamps ?

  • @josephboyne9327
    @josephboyne9327 7 місяців тому

    Hello from Oklahoma! Did not expect the shout out in this video. 😅

  • @AboveAvgMan
    @AboveAvgMan 7 місяців тому

    I meet the vienna with 2. B to b4

  • @IRailroad
    @IRailroad 7 місяців тому

    😊

  • @baoboumusic
    @baoboumusic 7 місяців тому

    Go Christian! But stay here!

  • @answeris4217
    @answeris4217 7 місяців тому

    Toronto Eh.... Did you find a Vegan Poutine?? That would have shown Nepomniachtchi who's boss...

  • @paparatzz7531
    @paparatzz7531 7 місяців тому

    Debashis gets bashed in this video

  • @atwarwithdust
    @atwarwithdust 7 місяців тому

    You know you can edit Wikipedia articles, right?

  • @PKloc
    @PKloc 7 місяців тому

    Looks like you losing weight and looking good… nice job.

  • @vartananq
    @vartananq 7 місяців тому

    First

    • @daniellamprecht1566
      @daniellamprecht1566 7 місяців тому

      These comments are always funny, except for one thing...

  • @AdwaityaSahay
    @AdwaityaSahay 7 місяців тому

    Third😂

  • @shun0011
    @shun0011 7 місяців тому

    why do you always look so sad

    • @baoboumusic
      @baoboumusic 7 місяців тому +6

      Chess players are always sad. If you lose you're sad because you probably blundered, if you draw you're sad because you could have won, and if you win because you could have won quicker.

  • @WhizzerdSupreme
    @WhizzerdSupreme 7 місяців тому

    Yes, finally!! The Vienna needs more love ❤

  • @AboveAvgMan
    @AboveAvgMan 7 місяців тому

    I meet the vienna with 2. B to b4

    • @pointlessmike
      @pointlessmike 7 місяців тому

      You don't mind Nd5? Gains a tempo and allows the queenside pawns to expand while harassing your bishop. Also Qg4 might be annoying.