First BRASS Loco I've Ever Revived!! EMD GP-20 H.O. Scale From Tenshodo!
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- Опубліковано 4 лип 2024
- A Viewer donated this Brass Tenshodo GP-20 locomotive. It was in a bit of rough shape, Missing a few bolts and needed re-wired and a good bath. Follow along to see what it took to get it running the rails once again.
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Thanks!, Sorry to hear about Oggy 🙁
Thank you very much Gabe!
My condloences for your loss and congratulations for giving Dumspter a new forever home. God bles you. I take in abandoned and abused cats and give them homes, good food and a lot of love.
Nice work Ron, LindaCarter played Wonder Women and she was so hot 🔥 back in the day LOL 😂
Thank you!
Another custom chain saw by Ron 😁
It's the sound of the prime mover ;-)
Hey Ron, it's Mark here. So, you are about to find out, I specialize in brass train repairs. I have at least 60 of those. Brass can be troublesome at times. When you can sometime check your gear lash, sounds tite. Gear boxes and the gear tower, and check the lash in the gear box and the tower, while those 2 screws are tightened down, you may need to install a couple thousandth shim between the tower and the truck gear box, to provide some back lash, if needed. I love Linda Carter, oh my.
Yes sir, what I was thinkn too. A little like a diff in a rear axle . There HAS to be a certain amount of play between the gears. That loco shouldnt be that noisey. I am sure it would start off better, too.
I agree. I have 3Tenshodo GP9's with the same drive. None of them sound like yours. Definitely shim the drive tower as Mark Irwin suggests, and check the alignment between upper and lower gears. I like Linda Carter too.🙂
I agree with the shimming but where would a feller get those? custom make them perhaps?
@@classicmodeltrains yep, it's what I would have to do, K&S sells bagged square sheets of brass, from 1k to 5k thick, in a assortment pack. Or if you have something the equivalent laying around, should do the trick. Heck even a tin can siding would work, adjust thickness until a little backlash is there. Use caution when making the shims, not to slice your fingers, thou.
@@classicmodeltrains Hey Ron. You can get different thicknesses of brass sheeting from a hobby store. Id try a real thin piece, say ..5mm thick.or even slightly thinner, & try that.
I’m sorry for your loss Ron. I’m glad that you found another buddy to love and give a home to. I also always enjoy your videos. Thanks for continuing to make them for us to enjoy!
Thank you very much Jason
Love that freakin’ cat bro! Great work you do. Some of the most enjoyable videos about model trains…because you don’t take yourself too seriously.
Cheers!!
I so enjoy your videos and happy to see that you are still alive and kicking. I will never again accuse my Tri-ang locomotives of being noisy. 😊👍
Thanks Pauline :-)
Nice work Ron. I'm digging that motor with the fancy brush head. You just added another 50 years of life to this locomotive.
Thanks 👍. It sure had some fancy brush holders
Thank You Ron, sorry for the loss of your pooch, they are really family! But nice video luv geeps and all wheel drive and no tt's! Enjoy your 4th
Thanks William
Great Job Ron....Sure glad I saw this video, so I don't make the mistake of getting one of them Locomotives made of BRASS...LOL thanks again
Educating people makes my day :-)
@@classicmodeltrains A natural-born teacher, who could ask for more with having a hobby as in model trains.
I have one brass piece in my roster.GP38. I had always seen the ads in the back couple pages of Model Railroader magazine as a kid. Thought who buys that. My brass loco I consider a level achieved. Good show Ron🚂🇨🇦🇺🇲🙋
You know you are a serious model railroader when you have a brass locomotive. When you have a price locomotive that says that you have gotten their.
Thanks. So now I'm one notch higher as a model train collector? Sounds good to me :-)
Thanks for all your videos. I've learned a lot and I enjoy your presentations. My wife and I really enjoy them.
Glad you like them!
My condolences. I lost my 6-year-old Pitbull to a stroke on Thanksgiving . So glad you gave a deserving cat a good home and I hope you get a new dog I adopted a beautiful 7 year old black Labrador retriever who had been at the pound for a long time and now he has a forever home.
Dumpster is a 1 1/2 year old female German Shepherd / Alaskan Husky mix. Yes She has a forever home now for sure
Broadway Limited makes a magnificent DCC GP20 , and it looks like the plastic housing from a ball point would work for the drive shaft. Lynda Carter ❤️❤️❤️ so sorry about losing your pup 😭 that’s a huge deal in our home. Beautiful puppers! I have no desire to own brass locomotives, the one i have doesn’t run well and I’ve messed with it a ton!
I dont think I will ever own a BLI unless it's broken when I get it :-) very spendy
That's a name I remember! Thanks for a great video.
Thanks for watching
Great video! Linda Carter, who happens to be a Caps fan and lives in the area. The motor is quiet like a chainsaw. Dumpster is a very cute pup.
Thanks John
Yay! Other video to enjoy. Thank you!
Update: Linda Carter. Her and Barbara Eden were my favorite.
Also, sorry for your loss, Ron. 😢
Thanks Mark!
Didn't have to watch the whole thing to find out that was Lynda Carter, but I did. (- ; Interesting drive train on that brass. Great video.
Glad you enjoyed it
A cool old piece of model railroading history.
It is an interesting piece
Hi Ron & it's is Randy and i like yours video is Cool & Thanks Ron Friends Randy & Wonder woman
Hello Randy, Thanks for watching and leaving a comment
Thank you for sharing.👍
Thank you too
Another excellent video Ron, and gag cat even joined in. Take care, Jeff Hanna
Thanks Jeff
Another job well done Ron. Linda Carter is still smokin hot!!
Thanks Steven, and yes she is!!
Ron you are a master modeler you are.
Very kind of you!!
Another good one. Thanks Ron.
Thanks for watching
I wanted one of those when they came out. But my allowance was 10 cents a week at the time, so I settled for a Hustler. Later in college I got into N and Nn3, and am still happily in them, despite the early Bachmann engines that came with smoke units. You turned them on, they smoked, caught fire, and melted. Persistence and longevity pay off eventually. W Alsdorf 😊
So it sounds like you have one now?
Hi Ron,
Nice restore, even though the locomotive sounds like it's possessed by a demon from Hell. LoL. Just love it when a locomotive shorts out; the thanks one gets for bringing it back from the brink of the junk drawer.
Sorry for the loss of your dog, but delighted to see Dumpster!
Take care, and keep up the excellent work!
Thanks Ean. It is a bit loud for sure
Ron thanks for the shout out good to see you got it going I got that thing at an antique store call the Catawba River antiques I would go in there and the guy had a whole wall of just ho stuff and I was kind of into ho at the time I paid less than $20 for it and then it sit in the basement for 10 years so it's good to see it works by the way sorry for your loss pets are just like family.
Hello Charlie! Glad you caught this episode and got to see the old girl running once again! Thanks for the channel donation!!
@@classicmodeltrains your welcome 👍
Another great video. Always enjoyed watching 'Wonder Woman'. Still get in trouble with the wife when I stop to watch it. LOL Hope Dumpster did ok over the 4th. My dog and one of the cats both dislike the noise. Thanks for sharing.
Thanks John. Dumpster hid behind the couch for the evening of the 4th and 5th
I’m very, very sorry for Boogie my friend… but, on the other hand, I wish you and the Little Lady happy times with Dumpster! She’s lovely!
Another great job Ron (your patience is remarkable!)!
Please, let me ask you a huge favor: try to change - and film - the magnets on the Tenshodo motor, showing us the electric measures (thanks, by the way: I really appreciated it!) before and after the change. I suspect her performance is gonna improve, but I’d like to confirm it.
Worst case scenario (my suspicion is not confirmed) you’re gonna have another video to show us your great work!
Take care my friend!
Hello Regis, Thank you. Sounds like I need to fine some shims for that gear tower. Possible too close of tolerances making them gears howl. Yes a before/after video of them fancy super magnets is a good idea.
Happy 4th of July Ron. Glad you got a new pup to keep your company while you’re working on the railroad.
Thanks Woz! Hope your 4th was a good one as well
@@classicmodeltrains of course it was, I got a new video from RON…!!! Yay
Great work Ron. Perfect model. Linda Carter. It was awesome to watch as boy goin through puberty... lmao... I have a hobbytown RS3 with the same drive line. Took me a bit to get it quiet. I did upgrade the motor to a can and played with the outer gears to get it where it is, running smoothly. Thank you for sharing. Happy 4th and enjoy. 33%ter... lol
Thank you James. Some fellers are saying I need to shim the gear tower to truck area
😊 Another interesting video!! Good job!!
Thanks Tony
Gotta say, this was fascinating to see how brass locomotives work. I wish I had some derelict brass steamer to send to you.
I kinda thought there would be more to it that what it was
Nice work on that tenshodo gp20 you did!
Thanks Matt
I got one of those Japanese brass engines too. I got into it, but not as deep as you went. I might have to revisit it and see if I can get it to run a little better. Sorry to hear about your dog. But happy to see that you got a new bundle of chaos! Lol take care of that dog. I’m sure he will make lots of good memories for you.
Hope you get it running well soon
As always Great Video Sir! Sorry to hear about your loss of your dog your new girl is beautiful! Nice Work with the locomotive! Thanks for the lesson!
Thanks Eric!
The small amount of binding and gallop it still has, maybe the vacuum hose. It looked pretty stiff and it was coiled up. It will want to keep that shape and the trucks need to bend it slightly on the curves. Tygon tubing may have been a better choice. Good video! Thanks!
Vacuum hose was not stiff. This Tygon tube though sounds interesting. where do you get that stuff?
Hi Ron. As always good to see you. Happy 4th of July, Canada Day holiday last weekend. Sorry about your loss, looks like Dumpster is in good hands.
That lil train didn't look too complicated when you first took apart, but sure gave a fight. Thanks for not editing out the troubles, we get to learn a few things for sure. I think you make it look less intimidating to take apart.
Headed over to check out the bonus videos, thanks for putting them up.
Linda Carter, that's a classy lady 😍.
Cheers 🥂 🎆🎇
Greetings Robert. Hope your celebration was a good one for you as well
Every day is a school day. Did not know the drive line slots were opposed 90 degrees. Going to have another look at my class 20....👍
Yup!
Quite the growler! Going to name that one "Grumpy". Got my 1st Tenshodos during Covid. F7A and B so no shorting concerns, but a broken weld. I will most likely replace the motors with cans to drop current pull. Fickle but sweet units. Tenshodo may have been Caddy's back in the day when compared to many other options for the time. Still good runners and haulers. And now I can say, I have brass engines! lol. Have a crack at some ALCO brass one of these days. Good prices at shows but re-motoring will be needed as the old box frame motor looks like it could drive a tank! That or put a fusion core in there! As usual, great vid. You always give me a laugh as I have usually been there and gone through the same process. Most often like : yes, yes, YES!, NO! NO! NO! A love hate thing going on. Thank you Bud!
Many Fellers say they relate to what I suffer thru in fixing some of these dang things. Thats why I dont edit out the pain :-)
Great video Ron. The difference between a professional artist and a regular artist is the pro never shows his mistakes. Happy 4th, 💥
Thanks Mark!
I have just recently started buying brass locos. So far I have 2: one is a Fairbanks-Morse H12-44 & the other is a Baldwin VO-1000 both in the Central of Georgia livery. They're both made by Hallmark and use can motors. If I had an open frame one like this one, I'd be changing those magnets to neodymium (rare earth) ones. To keep the side rail screws from backing out, put a little dab of super glue next to the screw head and mounting surface or use some blue locktite. None of my engines growl like that, but then, I only use code 100 track. Cheers from eastern TN
Im using code 100 as well.
@markirwin7677 mentioned the gear lash! I forgot to mention that. The gears do sound very tight! Thanks again!
Copy that. Looking into getting some shim material
Hi Ron. Good video bro. That lil loco sounds like some 4 stroke motorcycles that I used to ride around here through the avocado groves before me and my buddies had driver licenses. Hehe. Too cool. Linda carter is still a babe ehhh? LOL. CYA bro Keep up the great work. Thanks, G
Thanks Gary
Nice to see the cat again lol
Cat?
Love brass trains..but sadly the only way I can get one is also a donation..won’t hold my breath…lol..great weekend video!
Thanks Thomas, there really not expensive anymore
Let me start by saying I'm sorry about the loss of Ewhgy, (don't know if that is spelled correctly). I do wish dogs had a life as long as ours. As for brass locomotives, I have fixed many and always find electrical issues, not drive problems. You found both! I'll bet that had a spring coupler from the motor to the drive tower but still ran like crap. I would take the worm gears out of the one truck and see how it runs but sometimes you do everything right and end up with a hot mess. Great video blemishes and all, Jersey Bill
Hello Jersey Bill, Thanks for your condolences for Oogy. I found the original build sheet on Hoseeker and it shows a rubber hose coupling.
It's a nice video on this repair. As far as the quality of the Tenshodo, they were considered the low end of the brass models due the detail of their pieces. The only thing that puzzles me is that Tenshodo picked the PRR paint for this model. This model would match up with a Southern Pacific or Santa Fe model more than the PRR. My only guess for the paint job was to sell more locomotives. I would like to note that the competitor of the PRR (NYC) had these locomotives like this model without dynamic brakes. Some of these locomotives made through the Penn Central all the way up to Conrail. So, Tenshodo could have painted this in NYC and just ignored the Dynamic Brakes issue as a close enough model for those who were willing to look past this detail.
Thanks. A lot of modelers are unaware of the specific options each RR would have on their loco's. That ability is way above my ability to retain and use that specific information when needed. :-)
I have a few Olympic Express brass F-7 powered chassis that ae essentially a Globe drive clone. The only way to get these to run well is to replace the motor with a precision NWSL or A-line motor with flywheel using silicone sealant. One drive shaft has to be cut and lengthened with brass tubing and super glue. I then attach Miniatronics 2 pin connectors with the matching ends run through the FF-7 porthole windows in the rear so that both are electrically connected. I now have power pickup spread over an A-B set which does not stall on frogs or crossings. You might try this with a pair of Tenshodo diesels.
Sounds like a real nice modification
Thanks Ron. Now I`m lying here with Linda on my mind. lol
Well then I should mention Dazy Duke so Lynda has some company :-)
@@classicmodeltrains Oh my, my.
BRASS, aka Shelf Queen. I bought one (New) in the 80's as an investment, sold it in the 90's for a nice little profit. I've always thought they would be more complicated, maybe the newer ones are. But nice they screw together. Good job on this, and you ARE a Master Modeler. Sorry about your loss, and happy to see the new puppy. I'll be over in Hamilton, Montana sometime Monday thru Friday if you want to drop by, I know it's only a Ten Hour round trip. ;)
At least you made some money on that sale. I always loose $$$. Hope your trip is still going fine.
I have a brass 2-8-0 made by Akane I think its called for under 200 And its painted, Brass does look nice and can be expensive but you can get lucky to get one also nice restoration
Thanks
I saw the bicentennial box cars here in South Carolina at a dealer warehouse.
Right on!
Sweet looker
Thanks Dave
Life Like used to make a GP-20 in N scale, it is my favorite N scale diesel (I have 8 of them). I think Atlas bought all the tooling for them.
Thanks for the info!!
Great video Ron…Happy Fourth of July…cheers to Dumpster…
Thank you!
Thank you!
Another great video Ron. I scored a Tenshodo brass tender in the last lot of my Estate deals but no Loco ...... :(
Thanks Tim. Hope you score a loco for it soon
Hi Ron. I particularly don't like brass machines and every time I've done maintenance on brass machines, I've had several problems with short circuits, including during the installation of a sound, light and motion decoder that burned down because of this and I had a big loss financial. If you allow me an opinion, instead of the flexible tube from the motor to the gear box in your GP20, I would adapt an Athearn or Atlas cardan, which I think would reduce the noise and vibrations. Congratulations, great video.
There is so little room between the motor armature shaft and the input shaft of the gear tower. I'm sure it can be done. I just dont want to tackle it. The majority of that noise is from the straight cut gears on the gear tower.
"Lionel-like atmosphere" LOL 🚅 (Classic Ron)
Sure, the smell of sparks :-)
Good video, educate ,Linda Careter
Thanks Carl
"Gift basket" LOLOLOLOLOL
:-)
Those brass models back in the 60's and 70's retailed for $50.00 back in the day.
They were awfully proud of them for sure
Nice engine
Thanks!
That's Linda Carter! Still a gorgeous lady!
Yup!
Hey Ron. Sad about your "friend" I hopn that Dumpster isnt named for all of the "dumping" done inside the house. I got my lab 2 years ago as a pup, & it still "dumping" inside occasionally. Maybe the name is indicative of the sizing, lol.
Hello Michael, No.. Dumpster seems to be house broken. No accidents yet. I've had that name saved up for 10 years now waiting for a new dog to give it too.
I inherited a couple of brass locomotives. The only thing they have going for them is the detail. Alot more attention to detail on the locomotives and as you said they sell some locomotives the plastic companies won't make. The cons are the motors are always junk. I have one that never ran when it was new. The other one I had to take into a repair shop and get it running again. The other con is all that money never buys DCC they are DC only. Which is where the senior citizens you mentioned come in, because they want to run DC only which boring.
I have not hear one Feller mention they run good.
Nice job, I also use 2/56 screws when i do rebuilds, I think 2/56 screws on all model trains should be standard.
Agree!
@@classicmodeltrains As always thank you very much for your reply.
Your rubber tubing will slide easily with soapy water then when it's dry your good to go
Good tip!! Thanks
That thing is noisier then my A.C. Gilbert Alco DL-600. I'm surprised that it didn't scare the new puppy.
It was louder than expected
Nice cleanup Ron. I had high hopes you'd quiet it down a bit.
As much as I admire the engineering it certainly is loud. I don't know. Maybe that's how Japan's real trains sound if they're going to boast "real train sound". 😄
I thought it would quiet down as well with a good clean and lube
Pretty fancy! Looks like they ripped off the hobbytown drive actually. Another excellent video!
I have a hobby town loco kit sitting in a box. I should take a look and see
Linda Carter, and once by Emily Deschanel, I think.
Yup!
Linda Carter.
Yup!
Linda Carter
Yup!
It’s Linda Carter
Yup
Hey Ron, Are the wheel flanges hitting the ties when running ? EMD GP-20 Pennsylvania
I had the same sound when riding large flanges on a Code 55 track. But, being the professional that you are, I could be wrong!
Freddie P
Im running code 100 track. Keeping in nice and tall for all the old stuff I drag up :-)
Linda Carter AKA Wonder Woman
Yup
Lynda Carter AKA Wonder Woman.
yup!
Lynda Carter! HUBBA HUBBA
Yup!!
Lynda carter
Yup!
If i found a brass similar to that one but the body was badly smashed up with the motor still in good condition ill just scrap it and just use the motor.
its got a nice motor for sure
Linda Carter or the original Wonder Woman
Yup!
Sorry to hear about the loss of your dog.
Is Dumpster’s name a clue as to where you got her from?
Just kidding. I hope she came through the fourth ok.
Thank you Charles. I like naming dogs differently than common dog names. Ive ben saving the "Dumpster" name for over 10 years until I got another dog. She was hiding behind the couch on the 4th and 5th
@@classicmodeltrains
We use car parts, we currently have Piston, Torque Radiator and Valves.
Camshaft passed two years ago.
@@charlesdempsey176 love them names as well!!!
Lynda Carter (I hope I spelled it right)
Looks right to me :-)
MacGyver would have used waterproof matches, bondo, a condom and a hammer!!! 🤣🤣🤣
condom? who carries those around anymore ;-)
@@classicmodeltrains LMAO!!!! 🤣
I so, so don't understand you HO guys??? But great show as usual Ron, though I don't understand why such large handed individuals always pick the smallest items to work on? Yeah I understand that you can basically have 4-5X the collection and or layout sizes due to the smaller scale and less $ usually...... but Damn, if you need to use a microscope and tweezers to do a simple repair or installation on these tiny things.......? And these are giant compared to N or Z scales! IDK Ron? But you have G size digits OO O or even 027....but you always fall back into them tiny HO's with their extremely difficult and strange drive designs that are usually equipped with plastic pieces or gears..... After all your hard work during the surgeries you perform on these strange locomotives, knowing you saw plastic gears inside most all these trains...... How does on sleep at night at all? Knowing that you have plastic parts driving your engines? LMAO! Otherwise I'm just busting some HO balls here lol. Love your videos Ron and I can overlook the fact that you love HO, and use your information towards my own gauge scale, which if it's not obvious? 0, 00 or 027 the older the better, so postwar and backwards. We'll see ya next time Sir and stay cool out there my man, along with a Happy 4th of July to you all as well in UA-cam land.
I like all scales Jim. ALTHOUGH........I do kinda avoid N repairs. They are just a bit to small for me. Love me some big O stuff. Got a few repairs on them coming.
Lynda Carter
Yup!
Who Is Linda Carter Wonder Woman.
yup!
I’m thinking a tinker toy
:-)
I never really understood what the draw was with brass
I agree with you
This is easy, Nancy polosey anyone can see this.
So Close!!
You might have a dead coil in the motor maybe? look for open circuit.
Why do you say that?
@@classicmodeltrains the way it stops turning.
Good work, but my God does that sound horrible. It sounds like it is riding on the ties.
its a loud one
Yeah, Athearn made a better unit.
agree. probably too wide though back in the day
@@classicmodeltrains Yeah.
With out proper tools and small metric taps and screws ( soldering Technics) my advice is to stick to the plastic engines. You lack mechanical ability's to work on brass models.
I dont lack the ability, I am just light on proper tools. I will get some little nut drivers and use the proper tool for the job. Metric screws that small are pretty hard to get locally
Linda Carter
yup
Linda Carter
yup