How to swap and fix your mouse's Scroll Encoder! Fix broken scrolling in your gaming mouse!
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- Опубліковано 10 лют 2025
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If you’re going to attempt this, don’t touch the encoder once you begin melting the solder on the stabilizing pins because they will heat up the metal shell of the encoder and you could burn yourself. As always, Ents can do these things because he is pretty much immune to burns at this point.
Hi I was changing my mouse switch and after I assembled the mouse I see my scrolling wheel not working at all .... Should I just replace the encoder ??
@@amarramoul4027 Yep, if it's just the core not moving
It's a defective wheel and you need to replace it.
This. I was yelling "WHAT THE FUCK THIS DUDE IS BURNING HIS FINGER" at 2:19 and 2:00
I touched the corner of the PCB as I was soldering and it was still hot, I have no clue how he was touching it like that.
@@MM-cg8cg bro thinks he has a heatproof at this point
I just followed this guide and turns out you have to put more solder into the hole in order for the solder sucker to work. Great guide!
If you want a tip to make this significantly easier - you can use a solid copper rod to head up all the solder points at the same time. You just need to leave a bit of solder there in order to have contact. Once you position your copper rod, heating that will heat all the points, making sliding in a pga like this a breeze.
Good encoder mod dad! I love watching these as they give me motivation and satisfy my modding habit. cutting the thick legs with a micro cutter than taking it out by heating up solder is a good idea. Keep up the good shit!
good plan for getting it out. i never saw an iron that size being used for this but you do some of the best work i've seen, so...
bigger than normal?!
if you're talking about the tip that size is very common lol... this is the size I use for my mouse switches. it came with my kit. makes life super easy.
Ents is the Guts of mouse modding.
Im going to be a nervous wreck attempting this on my superlight. The one it came with sounds really janky and I'm going to replace it with the TTC Gold/Yellow.
I'm glad you made this video. I will likely follow all the exact steps.
if youre in the usa you can send it to me to do for you! otherwise, good luck!
How did it go? I'm going to put a TTC Gold encoder in my starlight. If it went well, how does the encoder feel?
@@RobinH00D105 feels pretty good. It's honestly not too different. As for the process it was a lot harder than swapping out switches. Like way harder than it should be.
bruh I melted the plastic part of the new encoder when I install it
TTC Gold encoder is much louder then the white one.
Can confirm this method works great! Awesome video Ents!
cutting the encoder into 3 pieces 👌
ty!
My GPro Superlight encoder just randomly died after 2 years, just out of warranty. Thanks for the vid
Thanks for the guide. I gave this a try on an old mouse and ended up ripping out the traces on the middle pin. In hindsight, I think the issue (besides pulling too hard) was that the way the encoder was soldered, there was perhaps too much solder on the other side of the joint that was keeping it in place. So in hindsight I would have maybe tried applying some heat to the other side of the joint. Another thing I noticed was that I probably needed a better clipper for the encoder legs. My clipper twisted the legs too much, it didn't cut clean. Anyway, thankfully my mouse was out of warranty and the encoder was malfunctioning, so I mostly just lost time. The mouse was an MM731, so Coolermaster solder job.
Something incredible has happened to me. I have an XM1r for a long time (for years) and its scroller was acting up for a long time now (for years too). It was really annoying. And here comes the unbelievable part. Just by click on your video and watching it suddenly the scroller works fine like it has never been better. How? Don't ask me! Maybe the encoder got scared that I'm going to melt it down or something.
I actually use the G703 too. I have one wired and one wireless. The scroll wheel on the wireless one started spinning freely without any physical clicks, so I thought my encoder was just broken on the inside. It turns out that the scroll wheel itself broke off inside the encoder and I had to push it out and buy a new wheel. It saves me the trouble of soldering, at least. I really like the G703s but I've had to replace the primary switches on both of the models I own and now a scroll wheel broke on the wireless one I bought much more recently and use less often than the wired one I've had for years. Get it together, Logitech.
At the end I was wondering if you might've put in on backwards, very next scene shows you scrolling. Thanks for the video! My gwolves HSK+4K scroll wheel SUCKS.
Thanks, replaced the encoder from my deathadder v2, but it was a pain in the ass to remove the old encoder without having the support thing to hold the PCB.
Thank you for the video it was great
I have a pulsar X2 medium Boardzy Ed, i heard it has a 10 mm encoder but idk if i need to replace it since it only just make an annoying and loud noise when i scroll and i want to sell the mouse. I opened the mouse and it's an encoder with a top cover (blue) idk what brand it is and since it's soldered to the PCB i suppose i can't just open the encoder to clean or lube it without desoldering...
I already fixed an encoder before on another mice before (xm2we), the encoder was not covered and not soldered to the pcb, it was easy to fix with isopropyl alcohol because it was just dirty inside and the encoder was frequently scrolling in the opposite direction (almost perfect design from EGG engineer that would be really nice if other brands start doing the same, hope next time they will also go for a dust proof encoder). Fortunately it was an easy fix on that one because idk what size of encoder it is (5 mm or 5.5 mm ?) and it seems hard to find good encoder in that size.
Your YT content look really good, i don't have stuff to solder at home but i already did some during studies and work placement so i will keep your channel clearly visible in my favorite for the day i will invest in stuff to mod or repair my mice collection.
if it works and youre going to sell it and the noise is the only issue, just ignore it as thats very normal and sell it. youre right that there are sealed encoders. you can replace with a smoother sealed one if you want. but if youre selling who cares just sell it
whats the pinout of those? because i got one, but i accidentally broke the shell off, is that bad?
Gonna repair my viper mini. Will update you once I'm done
i want to replace the enconder of my mini viper scroll,the scroll weel button doesnt work at all,sometimes when i press it the button dont work
I have a Razer Viper Ultimate and it's showing scroll wheel issues (when I scroll really fast, it goes into the opposite direction). What are the aftermarket encoders out there that are similar in both feel and sound to the stock encoder on the Razer Viper Ultimate? And what other encoders do you recommend?
How do you find a replacement for encoder?
Pokémon Lofi . Great videos btw
What is the encoder's dimension for Logitech G102/203(same thing). 0:05 The one you are is 9mm.
10mm
@entsfps is TTC 10 silver good than kailh 10 red? What's the difference.
@@gameotic1 both are good, its just preference -- i like the kailh
@@entsfps thanks breda for your response.
@@gameotic1 🤝
I wish all mice had optical encoders. They last much longer. It's a shame that some mice with optical button switches use mechanical scroll encoders. Are there any mice at all that have both - optical switches AND optical scroll encoder?
anyone knows the size for rakk kaptan’s wheel encoder?
I have been experiencing an issue with my mouse (razer viper v2 pro) where the scroll wheel occasionally scrolls in the opposite direction, leading to inaccurate scrolling. Would it be possible to replace the scroll wheel encoder on this mouse? Additionally, could you recommend a suitable replacement that would be compatible with this mouse and also provide smooth scrolling performance? Thank you.
yes of course its replaceable, it has a 12mm encoder, so any from aliexpress would work. try a kailh replacement
I come here because my mwheel doesn't work after desouldering the old component to my new encoder. I think I just burned and damaged the PCB 😅
Any idea to fix it?
not sure w/o seeing it!
Could you please tell me which exact encoder is used in Madcatz Rat 6+ ?
no idea, cant find anything online but one bad photo. looks like a kailh dustproof encoder but no idea on the size.
@@entsfps Does it show the dimensions of the encoder like 9mm etc and what oin configuration it has like two pin or three pin?
@@Maxxman100 it looks like a normal encoder (3 pin) but no idea on the height of it
you can send it to me to fix for you, i keep a lot of encoders on hand
@@entsfps Thanks. Sure, where do you stay ? Are you on insta or Facebook?
I have such a hard time getting the encoder out, but I think I need new tips for my soldering iron.
cleaning the tip you have is probably the way! youll need to clean the new tips too or theyll just get nasty too
Are there any digitial or lazer scroll mouse technology? Logtech has been bad with me on the scroll part.
optical on wired zowie and vaxee
Hi, i successfully swap the encoder and the click wheel switch thanks to your tutorials! But now i have a new question that your FAQ and google don't seems to answer. I bought 2x ALPS encoder on aliexpress but they feel really different from the one on my stock MM710 that use too an ALPS encoder from the factory (less tactile but miles away in term of smoothness), is it possible that somes encoder require a break-in period or i just got somes bad quality ones ?
there is a lot of variability in the force required to roll different brands of encoder. the spreadsheet does indeed list smooth vs tactile as far as encoders go. "feel" column. you probably want a kailh encoder if you like smooth feeling.
@@entsfps but the 2 encoder i compare are from the same brand, ALPS 9mm (viper mini) and ALPS 11mm (mm710)
@@FALLUCK that's normal. the ones you are buying are different from the ones mouse companies buy which are all tested to a certain force. the ones on aliexpress are heavy in general.
@@entsfps oh ok ty, which kailh encoder do you recommend for a smooth and define scroll pls ? i've seen that they seems to have make an update to their encoder (dust-free version), is it worth it?
hi ents, first timer here. I just wanted to know how long am i able to hold the rod against the PCB before it starts becoming damaged. I don't exactly know where to put it.
did you use flux?
@@vent7050 no flux, and as little time as possible to get it to move
encoders are hard to remove, found out the hard way when I damaged the pcb when trying to remove it for the first time....too bad I did not watch this first, ended up getting tiny cutting pliers and cutting it off as well
Scrolling feel make different changing this ? my new mouse scrolling feel so bad and need to press hard for clicking my finger so tried after 1 hour of using wheel 😑
i dont understand sorry
@@entsfps yea bad english already solved problem
The two side switches on my mouse, I just never got into the habit of using. So when the left and right switches were acting up, I just replaced those switches with the unused ones. Recently, the mouse was lasting a very short time per battery. My guess was that due to me cleaning the outside of the mouse now and then, that some of the cleaner got inside and was causing partial conductivity on the PCB at some location. So I took it apart and used alcohol to clean the PCB. Problem solved.
nice job!
@@entsfps Thanks. Fixing things yourself, sure saves money. Things can seem to last forever if you take care of them and repair them when needed. I have repaired my Samsung TV, my toaster, my TV remote control device, my DVD player, my Denon CD player, my electric shaver, and the list goes on and on. All the Denon CD player needed was a few drops of oil to cure the track skipping problem. Even dead things can have a use. I have two old dead hard drives, one stacked on top of the other, and this became the solid base of my self made computer desktop lamp. The lamp socket is mounted into, and fits real snug into, the top opening of an empty Tylenol plastic bottle, and the bottle is mounted onto the top hard drive. Sounds like a crazy design, but it works. Even my self made speakers, that I threw together back in 1978, are still up and going as good as new. They each contain one 15" woofer, two mid-range drivers, and four tweeters. Eventually, due to age, the outer foam ring of the woofers had literally turned to dust. But for just $27, I purchased new rubber rings and then repaired the woofers in about 2 hours each. My HERO 2000 Heathkit robot, that I purchased in kit form back in 1986, is also still up and running, thanks to taking care of it properly. That Kit cost $3,000 USD back then. In other words, I hate it when people throw things out when all that was needed was a little, and usually simple, repair.
@@new-knowledge8040 agreed! if its "broken", no harm in trying to fix it
Great video. I have a Vertical MX mouse where the wheel does not work at all. Could this also be an encoder issue or something else?
id wager encoder!
@@entsfps thanks!
Hi, I just wanted to ask you a quick question, what temperature do you recommend for desoldering the mouse switch, encoder and square switch?
ents.win/faq
@@entsfps ty but it's the temperature for soldering, not desoldering, you use the same?
@@FALLUCK yup
@@entsfps ok thx
I found my first encoder swap to be really finicky… all I can think is I was getting cold solder even though my soldering didn’t seem any different then when I’ve done switches… the encoder was acting really laggy, even going backwards sometimes… after I re soldered it making sure I got the solder really hot and flowing it seemed to work fine… maybe using to much flux as well??? Anyways I seemed to get it working properly but am not even sure my soldering was the problem lol
next tie use a lotfet, or solder paste (soft solder) they have lower melting temperature, so it's easy to solder
Can I use a 11mm encoder size for my mouse that has a 12mm encoder size?
probably but the click might feel bad or the wheel might be crooked. use a 12mm
@@entsfps Cheers. I bought an 11mm and 12mm one. Ill try the 11mm one with a 1mm spacer like plastic or smth.
Do all encoders work with various manufactures of scroll wheels? I know there's a height difference, but if the same height, will all wheels fit all the same sized encoder? I'm having a difficult time finding this answer... I want to change the encoder of my g305 to a more tactile feel. Thanks!
yup! they all are interchangeable except optical encoders like the g502, g903, and zowie/vaxxee mice
@@entsfps thank you!!
I have a g pro x superlight while iam playing and use mouse 1 to fire sometimes mouse jump during game (i ve a key bind to jump in scroll down) could be a enconder? is like a bug.... but maybe could be a enconder....????!!?!?
yes
Did someone changed their Scroll Encoder con the Logitech G Pro X SuperLight? Which one you bought?
8mm
How important is the small thin wire that holds the Logitech Superlight scroll wheel? I was trying to put it on but because it was so small it sprung out and disappeared to the nether realm.
not very but helps with shaking noise
great vid! i really like the non tactile smooth feel of the default kailh Logitech black encoder. Is the red core kailh encoder smoother? if not which is the smoothest third-party encoder.
it's extremely close to the stock logitech encoder feel, very smooth, lightly defined steps
It’s the smoothest encoder I can easily get my hands on.
@@entsfps On the opposite sprectrum what do you know is the stiffer and more tacticle encoder?
Same question for the switches , I'm looking for something stiffer than the Kailh 8.0 I have on the MZ1.
@@ariathyf144 both questions answered on my switch spreadsheet, ents.win/switches -- theres an encoder tab on the bottom
can I reuse my old mouse's encoder for my gaming mouse? or does it requires a specific part for specific mouse?
a new encoder is $2 and needs to be the right height mouseclub.co/collections/encoders
how to pick the proper encoder for my mouse?
measure
well there was a service for only 5 dollars to fix this in my country, but i ended up doing it myself, found this video, did it myself, miserably failed LOL. nothing on you dude your video is simple and great, but i just suck at this i guess :/ thought after soldering and desoldering keyboard components i could do this myself but sadge. i was proven wrong by myself. great video thoo!
would anyone happen to know if the roccat leadr mouse rotary encoder is replacable? if so which one, i see a TTC and ALPs on aliexpress, i want a good replacement to not need to worry about replacing it again so any suggestions and information would be great as i can't seem to find any information anywhere.
im 90% sure its 8mm -- you should open the mouse and check before ordering, the encoder will be labeled
@@entsfps perfect, thank you for the quick reply. i will check the labeling before ordering. are there any differences between a TTC and ALP? i have no real knowledge on types or information about encoders or which ones are good
@@ChamaraMokai its all preference, the kailh ones are nice black core/gray core
I’m having an absolutely miserable time finding the info I need and you might be the one person who can help me out:
Do you know what switches could be used as replacements for the middle clicks on gpx, gpw, g703? I know I need some sort of square micro/ tact switch, but details about them are scarce. I’d like something as similar to stock as possible for each; I’m strictly trying to fix and have replacements on hand for double clicking. If you know what brands or typical operating forces they use I would be ridiculously grateful
the gpw uses a kailh 5.5h one, good luck finding anything that feels stock. you basically are lucky if you get a working replacement. operating forces are all roughly 75g
gpx is the same. g703 might be a 7.3h but no idea without actually measuring
@@entsfps I feared as much. I really appreciate the reply though. What do you mean lucky? Are a lot of them DOA?
@@VicariousX nope, lucky as in they feel/sound all over the place and theres no way to know what its like until you have it in your hands
Ah, bummer. Good thing they’re pretty cheap then
Hey Ents. Just curious, what has been your experience with other brands when it comes to replacing the scroll encoders (or any PCB component for that matter)? I'm currently working on a Steelseries Sensei Ten and it's proving to be a royal pain as I can't seem to get all the solder off since there's a good amount in the PCB mounting holes. But with a Logitech G203, replacing a scroll encoder on that took maybe half an hour at most. Thanks!
add a bunch of leaded solder and it'll come out ezpz
@@entsfps Thanks for the response and that's definitely true! I've been mixing my leaded solder in so that the factory solder was easier to melt.
My main issue was getting all of the solder off of the component so that it can come out as there will always be some left in the mounting hole that I can't properly wick or suck out. I thought about trying to apply my wick to the component side of the board (i.e the side where the actual encoder is) since I noticed some solder was there as well. Have you ever done that when doing an encoder swap?
@@david47295 I dont remove solder until the component is out. Clip the legs, flood with solder, heat, and everything should just fall out.
@@entsfps Got it. I'll give it a shot. I'm a bit nervous about this since I don't a lot of soldering work but I guess if I'm careful and manage my heat application I should be good.
@@david47295 how did that go? Im trying to solder in a new mouse scroll wheel on my razer viper v2 pro and im kind of scared that im gonna damage it T_T
how to know the encoder size for my mouse ? where is size number written
you have to measure it with calipers. base to center of hole
@@entsfps thanks!! I've been trying to find this info. I wish manufacturer would just put the number on their spec sheet.
Thanks for the tutorial,
Can you make a encoder overview?
Like talking about different types?
@@entsfps yeah id love to see that aswell
every shop i contact, try to fix my g102 scroll and they all said can't fix it. Fuck it, i'll buy some tool and the encoders and fix it my self. Thank you for your video, wish me luck
i love u so muxh
holy fuck this was a good video
wish i saw this before i took mines out hahaa. took forever!!
now you know!
Bro why the fuck is factory solder so fucking hard to get out? I gave up and ended up crunching the entire mouse. Was only a model o- but ffs
F
Where is its positive negative
no idea
@@entsfps i want to repair my mouse i have messed with board so i can't find a way to fix it
I've never ever soldered before do you think I can do this?
I would practice on a mouse i didnt care about first, and get proper soldering gear
Can I know the size of the wheel encoder that you put for the g703 mouse?
visible at 2:41 -- its 9mm