Stupid Gun Myths - Episode 23: "Old Guns Will Blow Up In Your Face Because the Metal is Weak"
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been waiting for the mommy’s basement confirmation.
Lucky he gets a basement. I've been living the harry potter life in a broom closet.
He tells us almost every other episode lol
I actually haven't made the joke in a few months...I guess people hear what they want to hear...
@Zachary Burgard ?
Yeah i was really wondering, if he still lives there or if he moved to grandma´s garage.
Good advice: “Firearms are not safe if you are dumb” True words!
Needs to be on a t-shirt!
Fudds: Omg that old piece of shit will blow up in your face.
Fudds when they see a original 1911. OMG IT IS THE SAVIOR OR THE FREE WORLD
Yeah, omg this is an old piece of shit but this is not cause it cool and... cool
"tWo wOrLd wArS! pLaStIc sUcKs!"
Nah, the "blow up in your face guns" tend to be foreign. The Garand, M1903, and anything made by Browning are from the hands of God.
@@Ivan_I99999 got any proof to refute John Moses Browning not literally being the embodiment of God?
😛
Heard all this same stuff. It's especially common to hear from all the old dudes at the gun store/show when you're a young dude getting into old guns. I worked at a Cabela's for a time and one of my 50-something coworkers said he was terrified of shooting his 1940s produced 1911 because he never knew when it was gonna let go, like the bitch was made from paper or something.
"Som'bitch"
I know lots of old guys shooting pre-WWI and even late 1890's firearms. I suppose it's easier to focus on the minority that are the exception.
Another stupid gun myth i hear all the time: the best "man-stopper" round is a hard cast lead semi wadcutter moving at slow velocity.
Would you care to elaborate?
I’m not sure where you heard that from. Most of the fudds say that either a hardball 45 or full wadcutter are man stoppers.
@@roxastherogue Yeah yeah, neverthefuckmind shot placement.....
This is also why you never use other people's reloads. It just takes one Bubba round to ruin your day.
What causes bubbas to think "I need to make this round hot"
To me, the starting load is fine enough
I remember a gun owner telling me once I had Argintine 45 he said several people died using them He said only thing good on it was the barrel he paid me 50 bucks for the gun.I was young then still today it pisses me off .So yea I fuds
@asdrubale bisanzio That goes with anything, you are the seller so let you decide the price first.
I would love to have an Argentine 1911, they are quite well made and look fairly nice.
I don't know why, but I love how you say "Som' bitch".
I'm making fun of people who actually exist and say it that way.
@@MikeB128 - it's in the TO&E for all US Army Infantry line companies to have at least one guy per squad who talks like that.
There’s a bit of a lisp 😂 It’s fun to talk like that
I often shoot my Swedish Mauser. It was made in the 1890's. It seems to be just fine. lol
Got a Krag and Ross cheap back in the olden days because of this myth. Thanks Fuds!
Using pissing hot reloads, you're gonna have a bad time
Whaaat? naaahh man! I use bubbas pissing hot reloads all the time and I only lost both hands and my eye, its perfectly safe XD. God I can't get enough of bubba memes lol.
Been reloading for rifles less than a year. The other day, I realized I'd just loaded a bunch of rounds of .303 British with 40gn of Winchester 760 ball with Sierra 180gn #2310 bullets. Well, the reloading data I have says 42gn is the MINIMUM safe load (46gn max safe load). I was loading at 42gn, measuring with 0.001gn accuracy to ensure consistent loads, but I got distracted by a phone call, and foolishly kept reloading. Well, I suddenly noticed I'd been loading precisely to 40gn instead of 42gn. Brain fart.
So, after much cussing, I had to weigh the cartridges against my control cartridge (one I have ensured is properly loaded, and marked with an ink dot), and found out almost the entire batch had to be pulled and remeasured. About 50 minutes down the drain.
Now, 40gn loads might still be safe (main concern is a squib, and the danger surrounding that), but I ain't a Bubba, plus reloading materials are scarce, so better to take the time to fix the problem and do it right. No point in wasting powder, primers, and bullets on rounds I KNOW are under-powered and potentially at risk of a squib.
As frustrating as it was, it was also a great learning experience, and now I reload 100% distraction free, and I weigh every cartridge when I'm done to ensure no brain farts occurred. The thought of people being retarded enough to substitute black powder with smokeless powder makes my skin crawl.
Some guns it's better to download a bit. I intentionally do reduced loads for my M1898 Krag carbine. For one it's a real Krag carbine & too valuable to abuse. But most of all the 1890's Krag's can absolutely have metallurgy issues where even factory smokeless loads (.30-40 Krag was never loaded with blackpowder) can damage them. I own three of them with cracked bolts, that I bought cheap knowing they were cracked, and seen probably 15 of them over the years with cracked receivers right behind the locking lug recess. Mike B is commenting on things he knows nothing about. I'm surprised he hasn't disabled the comment section on this video yet.
the bubba voice needs to be a more regular event on the channel, you've got it down pretty well.
I've got a lot of first-hand exposure to the type in question.
@Mike B
My condolences
Mark Novak said it best, guns dont know their age.
salivating at that martini-henry ngl
Back in the day...many folks would find old Blackpowder cartridge shotguns with Damascus barrels and load them with modern smokeless powder shot shells and blow them to bits. This helped feed the fear as much as people still are clueless about researching proper ammo for old guns. Pressure is the key.
There are forums where people talk about regularly shooting smokeless powder from antique shotguns, both damascus and regular steel. Damascus steel isn’t weak, the reason shotguns were blowing up back in the day was because of handloads. People were loading as much smokeless powder into their shells as they were blackpowder. So it didn’t matter that the barrels were damascus, that kind of explosion would destroy even a modern shotgun.
The only gun I ever owned that I was afraid to shoot was a 1916 Webley MKVI that had its cylinder shaved for .45ACP. I knew to underload due to .455 having lower pressures than .45ACP but I don't know the history of my particular gun such as the last owner or owners that have blasted tons of factory .45 through it.
People that regurgitate this crap are so damn annoying
The only thing that comes to mind is if you improbably load a black powdered muzzle loaded rifle or musket.
If the ball isn't set all the way down onto the gunpowder than you have a chance of a pipe bomb effect happening. It might not explode but there's a chance of warping the barrel.
what i also love about people thinking that metal made more than a century ago is automatically super weak, is that, if you interrogate the same people about what they think of the quality of ancient japanese steel for blades, then they will go out and "muh, this is 100 times stronger than even today's best steel blabla"
weaponry mythology and fudd lore is always very fascinating (even tough this is scary, because, sometimes, after a very long time of being interessed in a subject, you begin to learn that you once believed in one or multiple of thoose stuff)
" firearms are not safe if you're dumb" my new favorite line! Lol btw Mike, thanks for giving me a helmet obsession, never was interested in them until I started watching your vids🤷
My friend has an Eddystone made US Rifle 1917. The Barreled action* is dated May of 1918.
Thing is a Bad Bitch! Modern .30-06 is just fine through it.
* I believe that the ,only, replacement parts are things like the barrel band and some other small parts.
just got a 1917 Enfield myself buddy was scared to shoot it lol can't wait for range to open , damn snow
@@scooterdogg7580 ....it's not an Enfield..............
I bought myself a Christmas present . A Model 1917 Winchester “ American Enfield “ it isn’t a Enfield , just was based & revamped from the P14 . I have shot mine , had very good accuracy from it .
I'll add: We shot some 1950's Black tip at my steel*. The holes are the diameter of the penetrator. The jackets peeled off and remain in the outer edges of the holes...like little copper crowns. You can slide a No, 2 pencil through them.
A month later ;guy brought some Remington Core-Lokt.
The holes ,that, made... you can slide your pinky through them.
Only 2 rounds that have managed to punch through that target.
* 120Lb 3ft X 2ft (roughly) top from an industrial grade restaurant grill.
You might also mention that black powder has a steady burn rate. Too heavy a load will just blow the still burning and unburned powder out the end of the barrel. Longer barrels are needed to burn up the powder charge. Smokeless powder, on the other hand, is progressive burning. Under pressure, the longer it burns, the quicker it burns. You don't need a long barrel. It develops more pressure in a shorter period of time. And as you said, beyond the capability of black powder designed firearms to contain it.
That's true as well, I just wanted to give the most absolutely simple explanation for the 98% of people who watch my videos and have never even held an actual firearm.
That Schmidt-Rubin is gorgeous---amazing condition for one of those. Is it all original, or did someone just do a really nice job of refinishing?
Original. Definitely a keeper!
@@MikeB128 It seems like every few days on Swiss Collectors FB group someone will pop up and say "is it OK to put GP11 through my 1889" to which someone replies something like "only if you want to blow your gun up". As you point out, the Swiss Army specifically allowed GP11 to be shot from 1889s in emergencies. No it is not a good idea. It will eventually ruin the rifle. It will not be accurate largely due to the long throat on the 1889. However, it will not immediately blow up.
Hahaha - "blown out of proportion". You're more cleverer than you give yourself credit for there, Mikey!
Whoever's putting smokeless powder in their martini should definitely reconsider. Not that I care for the shooter's well being, it's at I care about the gun.
The best advice to give anyone who is new to firearms or new to reloading is to "ASK AN EXPERT" check with your registered gun dealer, and if you're still not sure leave it alone until you are sure.
The problem is there are way too many self-proclaimed "Experts" nowadays.
That is truly a beautiful example of an IG1889, I’m very jealous...
Unless a gun has been rusted to being orange then I’ll put my faith in that it won’t blow up unless it’s a squib shot or been loaded with the wrong round.
People say a similar thing about old cameras as if metal ages the same way living things do. It's simple don't use modern propellants in arms meant for black powder. Don't overload trying to get maximum power out of old cartridges and use them in old actions never meant to absorb outrageous chamber pressures.
Only gun I'm a bit hesitant to shoot is a sporter enfield that was very well put together in the 60s great bore and condition but the bolt is unmatched and DP marked. It seems in good shape, locking lugs seem to contact with engineer dye and headspace is ok but haven't ended up letting it rip yet.
I’ve shot an 1895 Mauser carbine with pitting all along the outside of the barrel (no more than 1/16 of an inch deep) and it’s ran fine for me. If that doesn’t blow up I don’t know what will
“If you have an inkling you might be dumb...” fucking gold
My uncle's father had a friend who knew somebody that told him something he heard from somebody else......
Valid source, will not question.
Ive heard that the old shmidt rubin's blow up all the time from a guy at a gun show, and I told him they weren't designed for GP11 which is a higher pressure cartridge. He told me they were made for 7.5x55. He wasn't wrong, but he was very wrong, and I wasn't gonna argue with him
He was still wrong, because GP90 is 7.5×53.5mm whereas GP11 is 7.5×55mm.
Modern loads in old military rifles are the problem. Wrong brass used to make an obsolete cartridge is the second problem and the last the wrong type of bullet. Some rifles need a soft lead copper coated bullet which is not longer available.
To be honest, the only gun I've ever owned that I'm afraid might blow up in my face is a Parker Bros Vulcan Steel Double Barrel shotgun made in 1904 I found in a local pawn shop for $100. The things finish was all but gone and the stock is in pretty beat up shape. The only reason I'm afraid to put full power Buckshot into it is because so old and I don't known what the original power charge it was meant for or if the chambers were recut to accept 2 3/4 inch shells. There is just too much I don't know so I just stick to light target and field loads
Yeah but that's just being intelligent. The opposite of what allowed me to have material to make this video :)
I have fired twist steel and damascus barrel shotguns before, and I use either black powder shotgun shells or RST low pressure smokeless shells.
@@TreeWizard648 see, these aren't twist or Damascus steel. The Vulcan Steel used by Parker, based on my research, is pretty similar to modern shotgun barrels in construction. The shop keeper I bought it from even claims it will handle steel and bismuth shot. My big problem is I don't know what the chambers were originally cut for since 12 Ga for the longest time had a huge amount of differing shell lengths. My grandfather owned a british S×S shotgun in 2 inch 12 GA shells. I also don't really know relatively how powerful buckshot loads from 1904, the early period of smokeless powder, are compared to modern smokeless powder loads because I just started hand loading in January. For all I know, such early Buckshot ammo could have been loaded the same as modern ammo or it could have been loaded with the powder charge of a field load. I'd rather just baby the old girl and have an excellent piece of history to pass down to my grandchildren in the future
If it doesn't kill Bubba, it won't kill me.
Reminds me of the way people react to the 8mm Mauser Carcano's. If you aren't dumb about it, you will be fine. No country would ever make a firearm for their military that would harm their own.
I hate this myth. I love collecting antique Colt revolvers. And I constantly get don't shoot it it'll blow up. I shoot every single gun that I own period. as long as you're using the proper ammunition and propellant and you're not abusing. they're perfectly safe to shoot. And alot of them are over 150 years old.
I found a Martini Henry in a river I live near.
Hope you’re feeling better and on the up and up!
Old guns can be worn down and the metal compromised here and there, BUT people forget that modern ammo is vastly different than what was loaded at their time.
So the Martini can handle very light loads of smokeless powder notice i said VERY light loads ive used some in my martini and as long as you use some loads loaded by someone who knows what they are doing your martini can shoot some smokeless if thats your cup of tea.
Someone tried to hand me that line about my grandfather’s Arisaka . Lol!
They probably wanted to buy it off you for a ridiculously low price.
After WWII, tests were done (by P.O. Ackley?) to evaluate the strength of German, British, American, and Japanese bolt action rifles. The Japanese Arisaka was far stronger than any of them - that surprised a lot of people.
The only gun i've ever sell 'blow up' was an AR-15. To be fair he did reload his own cartridges so he probably just accidentally loaded a round a little too hot.
Saw someone put a 300 black in a ar15....a 20 inch one. Fucker was lucky he fired from the hip, or he would have lost something
My L.C. Smith SxS from 1903 is holding up just fine! But it kicks like a bastard lol
Those old Swiss rifles are so nice. Great shooters
I've been looking for a term that adequately describes the idiots/tools that show up to the gun ranges around me... "tactards" has a nice ring to it! Great video. I once saw a guy who was lacking in brain cells load a flintlock musket with pyrodex at a reenactment....hilarious yet terrifying at the same time. He was (obviously) asked to leave after that!
NO! ITS VERY TRUE! THAT MEANS YOU SHOULD STOP BUYING OLD MILSURPS. (sothepricesfkingdrop)
Mauser 98 and 98k (Belgian also great) are for me the safest guns. How many produced vs how often do you hear of a blown up 98(k)? The brothers Mauser delivered what they wanted: A absolute safe gun and also very durable.
Then we should'nt drive cars from the 70's because they'll melt in the rain
Anything can blow up if you don’t use it properly
Yea if they're in shitty condition and the rust leaves pits. But yet again that can happen to any gun old or new.
I don’t know if it’s because metal was alloyed differently back then but I think old guns are build better then new guns
Got one ...dad said don't shoot modern loads...gun go boom .
The people who say that type of stuff are just ignorant because with the proper maintenance and care for your firearms these old military rifles are actually pretty good shooters
I find the idea odd in all the years I've been buying and selling guns this wasn't one of the things i heard about old guns and im 63
You're a lucky man then.
Actually I haven't either. I had a few tell me not to put 308 in a 7.62x51 gun.
9:55 that part was funnier than it needed to be and it makes me laugh
Outstanding presentation! Just subscribed.
Definitely my favourite series.
Tactards lmao
I have learned something today. Nice.
Only time i ever heard this myth is for ww1 and 2 Japanese rifles. Never heard the myth for any other rifle
I've heard about it with a ballard on a forum where someone said that the blocks or recievers will explode with anything even remotely smokeless (as iirc the old models never made it to smokeless). I have a feeling the ones that exploded were either in really poor condition or someone had a smoking hot round. Mine handles 30-30 really well
If you could I'd love to see more range ninja videos.
No. I don't like that style of troll culture video. I only made a couple and it attracted the kind of people I don't care for, so they're not coming back. If you want meme/troll culture, Brandon Herrera fulfills that need.
@@MikeB128 that's perfectly understandable, thanks for the clarification.
5:45 you fuds always spit when you talk? haha just messin with ya
Rule 1 of firearms -- when someone does something stupid/illegal with a firearm, blame it on the firearm. Works for firearms owners and for those wanting to ban firearms.
Now that's a yummy 1889
Have you already done a video on the myth of one type of gun being more dangerous than others (eg handguns being more deadly than rifles)?
Never heard that one.
Hell yeah new stupid gun myths video
Awesome video mike and gorgeous 1889!
gun go big boom boom
That's OXIDATION.
God I love this series
“Firearms are not safe if you are dumb” Very true as a whole. The problem with a lot of those old guns is some of the information out there is not very credible and finding credible or reliable information can be difficult at times. I remember when I was first getting into some mil-surps. Webley and Enfield revolvers were quite common then. I remember wanting a .455 Webley that had been cut for moon clips for use with .45 ACP because .45 ACP ammo is all over the place. The reality is, .45 ACP of the day vs modern is quite different and that could be a disaster if you weren't reloading your own. If you search around, you'll likely find some forum with somebody mentioning that fact, but none of the sources surrounding the gun in a historical context mention this fact.
Then you see the opposite in effect a lot... Such as with Type 99 bolt actions in particular the Last Ditch guns. You always hear how they are a ticking time bomb waiting to happen in nearly every tidbit of information available on them. Yet many are fine and capable shooters. Obviously you shouldn't use extremely high pressure ammo or fire if it's out of headspace and etc as it COULD blow up on you. I've seen videos of them blowing up as well as reading about them blowing up and that seems to be the cause with both. Even during WW2 accounts of them blowing up all seems to be an issue of the ammo was too hot(likely for a machie gun) or the weapon was not maintained well.
Then you get stuff like Steyr M.95 rifles. Most out there have been converted to use of spitzer cartridges, but some have not. But I'd hope if you're going to buy a gun like that you'd do some research on it first to learn these things. The problem is, not everyone who acquires such a gun knows if it has or hasn't been converted and there's no always a great tell tale sign it has been. But I guess all this comes back to the "if you are dumb" part.
Overall, I usually don't hear "Those will blow up on you!" as much as I still hear about "X" gun is "junk" in general. I remember when MAK-90's were "Cheap Chinese junk!" but now everyone who has one covets it like it's the rarest jewel in the world. The worst is when somebody intentionally lies about something like that to get a better deal on something they know is untrue. Seen that many times in my life.
tac-tards, hehehehe
people have no idea how guns work. the pressure bearing object is the brass, most old firearms use super slow burning powder, blued firearms will prevent rust, i can go on.
Well, the chamber and bore also need to be able to withstand an insane amount of pressure as the bullet is traveling down the bore and the pressure increases.......Just throwing that out there.
@@MikeB128 yeah lol of course forgot that part. cant be threading soda straws into receivers now but yeah the two paths of least resistance is the bore and the chamber
Okay, question. The myth is stupid, but is there one gun that you've taken a look at and made you think "I am NOT firing that"?
I've got one. A martini-action 12ga my buddy bought with a bunch of pashtu markings on it. The barrel isn't quite straight and all the controls and parts are just a bit... off. Like a greener gp, but made my memory
@@aSportishOne god bless the Middle East for the shit they build there, looking at those Khyper pass guns is like looking at an old renaissance painting so much stuff going on in those that you could spend hours pointing out every detail both good and bad
Hey I got a question for ya if you got a moment. I've heard that the k31 could feed 7.62 x 39 but I haven't seen any proof. Would you mind seeing if it could chamber if you have time?
No. Don't be a moron..
@@MikeB128 Yeah that's kinda what I figured
That does not even sound right
K-31 ammo is 7.5x55
verses --- 7.62x39
So from what i gather i really dont want to shoot factory 30/40 krag ammo out of my krag?
Sounds like you're dumb, and probably shouldn't be around firearms as stated.
Well just an honest question, i obviously do not know anything about old firearms this krag was willed to me and i have never shot it, what the hell else shoots factory 30/40 krags
@@shawnmciver3943 Basically nothing else (sans some custom jobs) will use the 30-40 krag. To my knowledge, very few manufacturers even produce it anymore. When I still had a Krag, I loaded my rounds by hand using safe load data so I can't speak as to "factory" ammo. As far as old ammo, that stuff's actually sketchy as primers/powder DO change/deteriorate over time in some cases.
@@MikeB128 okay this is why i sounded a little confused as i can confirm winchester loads 180 grain power points for the 30/40 krag and was thinking it would be safe since no other modern firearm is chambered in this, i actually have the box in my hand right now
Not sure if I'd call this a gun myth or fuddlore but every time I go into the Appalachian sticks that can be Schoharie county the Walmart there has never had .22 since I started going there in the end of 2016. Anyway every upstate hick sites the reason for this being that Obama had all the .22 he could bought up and loaded into tractor trailers because he knew the most common gun anyone has whether they hunt, are into guns or neither all so he could "take away ability to use extremely common guns" or some crap like that, utterly ridiculous stuff. Don't know if anyone else has heard it thrown around or if it's just a Schoharie thing
Yeah, that's a crock of steaming shit thought up be morons.
@@MikeB128 I tried explaining to them, are you sure it isn't because you bought it all? They insist that Obama directly bought ALL of the .22 in secret, because no sales record of that would ever be released or anything.
I only clicked because of the martini henry lol
9:53
Do "bolt guns arent obsolete"
If your country is poor they're great but if you got the money make that ak honey
Can you cover the AR15 is still a jamming piece of shit myth?
Maybe.
This reminds me of the myth that Indian muskets would explode.. When in reality, it was just American companies trying to crush cheaper competition.
Could be wrong ofc, my knowledge is pretty iffy
I’m not saying what u heard isn’t dumb, but older gun can explode due to extremely high round counts and things like the firing ping getting stuck out causing a out of battery discharge (that’s what happened Ian from forgotten weapons and others that I know personally), and if the camber has been cut or damaged it could blow. That being said I love old guns.
So let's look for that one in a million exception and make a comment about it to show how much we really know.............That's why I stopped making these videos.
@@MikeB128 I was just pointing out some of the reasons why people might have an issue. That’s all
@@MikeB128 and while I’m at it love ur vids
The German pattern 88 was black powder and bumped up to the standard 8 mm Mauser later. The receivers will crack if they get heavy use.
That is complete and utter bullshit. The 7.92x57mm cartridge was never a black powder cartridge. Stop spreading Boomer Fuddlore as fact when you don't know what you're talking about...
@@MikeB128 the 1888 was introduced before black powder in 1890 it's a safe gun untill guys do 5 shots in 4 seconds drills all day with modern ammo . I have had a bunch come for repairs with cracked receivers . Not saying they are hand gernades but it boils down to what you were saying about design and cartage and pressures . And abuse
Most of my guns are over 100 years old and all are used often
@@MikeB128 just looked it up a quick look shows your right it's smokeless. I have a book somewhere that said it was black powder.
But the receiver under the bolt has tendency to crack .
@@walterdavis4808 No, it doesn't. Again, that bullshit stems from morons not using correctly loaded ammunition. The amount of Boomer Fuddlore that's been spewed in this comment thread is astounding, and the reason I keep making these videos. Just because it's in a book, doesn't mean it's accurate....Smokeless was being used from 1886 by the way......Go read a book about that too.
This isn't really the kind of content i want to see
Then go find another content creator you idiot
Then why are you here lmao