The Twisted Tale of 'Mary Mary Quite Contrary': Origins You Won't Believe
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- Опубліковано 11 жов 2024
- 🌹 Prepare to uncover the dark and mysterious origins of the beloved nursery rhyme, "Mary Mary Quite Contrary" in our latest video! 🌹
Join us on a journey through history as we delve deep into the enigmatic past of this seemingly innocent rhyme. You won't believe the secrets we've unearthed!
🧐 Did you know that 'Mary Mary Quite Contrary' has roots dating back centuries, filled with political intrigue and hidden meanings?
🕵️♀️ Discover the surprising connections between this nursery rhyme and historical figures you never knew were involved.
🧚♀️ Unravel the symbolism hidden within the verses and how they reflect the turbulent times of their creation.
This video will leave you questioning everything you thought you knew about this classic rhyme. Get ready for a mind-blowing exploration that will forever change the way you see 'Mary Mary Quite Contrary.'
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My dad never could remember the last line of this poem. He'd say, "Mary, Mary, quite contrary, how does your garden grow? With silver bells, and cockle shells, and one damn weed." 😂 RIP Daddy ❤
And pretty maids in a row.
@@johnparinellojr.2035 And pretty maids all in a row!
...The Three Stooges: their take on the last line was "one lousy petunia" with a spritza spit-take featuring an emphatic 'p'.
Love his version 😂❤
@@johnparinellojr.2035 It's "And pretty maids all in a row".
My ancestors are Welsh. My instinct says the nursery rhyme is about Mary Tudor. The "how does your garden grow?" Was a double entendre. About bodies she planted, and also her inablity to conceive.
When i was just five years old, many many years ago, there was a little girl that lived around the corner from me. Her name was Mary, i'll never forget her, fair hair with a few freckles across the nose, wore hush puppies, she was a year older than me, i think that nursery rhyme was actually written about her, she was very contrary, she never did what she was told. I'm 92
My daughter has her father's hot Irish blood. Diagnosed with opposition defiance disorder, we always called her Mary Mary so contrary
Thank you for sharing I'm so jazzed
Back then she was a firebrand! That’s so awesome! Hope she went on to great things!
British history is the worst. Know wonder they don't really teach the truth about it. UGH! 🤢🤢
What are hush puppies?
It’s refreshing to listen to a pleasant and clear voice, free from the irritating use of scratchy ‘vocal fry’
Thank you so much :)
Still AI'ish🤨😐
Totally agree
When I saw the title, I immediately thought, Mary Tudor. After watching I still think that the rhyme is about her.
It makes sense that they would use a nursery rhyme to say things that would get them burned at the stake if they talked openly against the queen. Mary Queen of Scots never had the power to execute anyone so people wouldn't have to hide their criticism in a nursery rhyme. Great show. Very entertaining.
“how does your garden grow”
Sounds more like BIoody Mary, whose ‘garden’ (womb) would not grow.
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Charles, I had always heard it was about Mary Tudor, Bloody Mary myself, not Mary Queen of Scotts.
@@jbwake838 If a Granny said it, then that must be true! Grans don’t lie! 😀😘
I once asked about this on a royal message board, and was told that the "Mary" in question could be a reference to either queen -- England or Scotland.
@@JLFAN2009 Lordy! So you got one of those non-answer answers! 😀. Kudos for going to where they should know! According to our thread here, it appears Bloody Mary is the popular choice.
I grew up listening to these rhymes from my mother who was taught by her mother and so on. I also repeated them to my children but that’s where the tradition seems to have stopped. My grandchildren don’t have a clue and aren’t interested. The time when history was written in poetry and song is gone and been replaced with video games. Thank you for the memories and I’ve now subscribed.
Our new song memories are cringy tiktoks
“how does your garden grow”
Sounds more like BIoody Mary, whose ‘garden’ (womb) would not grow.
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Have hopscotch and jumping rope died out? That seems to me to be where I always saw those things passed on to younger girls.
Disinherit the vile little ingrates.
This is a part of our cultural heritage that is being destroyed.
I could listen to your voice for hours. Seriously, makes my ears happy.
Anyone else ever hear voices in that way?
YES, I, too am a chaser of lustful sounding voices with prim and proper ringing tones that warm my heart and rest my weary ears.
I just hear voices...😶
AGREE...........LIKE ALEXIS CARRINTON....
no. must be a lesbian thing.
Listen to Ghost Casebook. Nicola has a wonderfully addictive and soothing voice with her posts of historical places and people( and not just the famous ones ) of interest. Have a look, you'll be hooked.
I LOVE learning the origins of nursery rhymes. ❤
Yes, I think they are a fascinating doorway into learning about history! Thank you for watching :)
ya, check out this nursery rhyme! ua-cam.com/video/r3ghsO5Avcs/v-deo.html
Ring Around the Rosie is a pretty dark one!
You wouldn't enjoy sweet fanny Adams back story ,horrible history of the worst kind innocently ended up ,on many tongues ,even young people saying sweet fk all which sadly originated from the sad story .
Also Dice Clay's version.
Cockle shells were also the symbol of St. James, a Catholic saint. "Pretty maids all in a row" could also refer to nuns in a convent.
You're referring to a scallop shell which represents St James in the Church, not a cockle shell, huge difference!
Your wrong sorry
On a lighter note though, the rhyme "Pussy Cat, pussy cat where have you been?" is based on Queen Victoria's experience. She absolutely hated cats, but hated mice even more!!! There was one tom cat she allowed who slept under her throne. He was a very good mouser and would go hunting every night. So "where have you been (hunting today?")
The Mary Tudor story seems the most plausible one to me. Excellent video. Subscribed.
Thank you, I really appreciate your kind words and subscription: welcome! :D
I agree. To both.
One great historical mystery is why they called her "Bloody Mary." Surely it ought to have been "Crispy Mary," since she liked to burn people at the stake.
Mary Tudor was half sister to Queen Elizabeth and daughter to King Henry via Catherine of Spain. Mary Queen of Scots is the real subject as this video relates too.
@@kevinjamesparr552 You didn't watch the full video before commenting did you?
History through fairy tales and nursery ryhmes is a clever way to educate and have people remember what has happened. Your time and effort in producing these videos is greatly appreciated. A joy to watch. Glad I finally found you again and this time Subscribed. 😊🙏
Thank you so much for your heart-warming comment! 😊 I'm thrilled that you find the approach of exploring history through fairy tales and nursery rhymes engaging and educational! Your kind words mean the world to me, and I'm truly grateful for your appreciation and support. Welcome back, and I'm honoured to have you as a subscriber :)
They’re great
I never appreciated them fully until I was older & found out their legit meanings tho
@@The-Resurrectionists🎉👑 awesome video
Mary got what she deserved in the end ! She was wrong for what she attempted to do to England!
Unfortunately this rhyme if referencing EITHER Mary I or Mary Queen of Scots would not count as history but as propaganda!
If true that it references either Queen it does so only to demonise NOT to teach!
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Remember that Catholics were persecuted in the UK for Centuries after Mary I and had been persecuted during her brother's reign and at the end of her father's reign as well.
Remember that John F. Kennedy was the first Catholic President of the USA and that was a big thing.
Remember that until Boris Johnson no Prime Minister had been "Catholic" when he or she became Prime Minister {Blair only converted AFTER LEAVING the role}.
Remember that it is STILL illegal for a Catholic to sit on the throne of England even with the CofE being blatantly worthless today!
I learned that “ ring around the Rosie” was really about the plague. A pocket full of posies- flower petals kept in pockets was supposed to decrease the stench of the decomposing bodies of victims of the plague. “ Ashes, ashes, we all fall down” described the ashes of the victims, who were burned to prevent the spread of the disease. All fall down was meant to describe how the disease f “ felled” victims, or struck them down dead.
I don’t know how true the story is, but there it is.
Its not ashes ashes we all fall down - itz atishoo atishoo ( sneezing) because thats what happened just before death. Well think about it- if it was ashes then the context is backwards
@@edward9643 thanks for the clarification Edward! I didn’t not know that!
@@edward9643It is Atichoo Atichoo, However sneezing isn't a symptom of the plague so the idea this is about the Plague is contested.
@@dogwalker666- could the sneezing come from the flower petals carried in the pockets? Allergies?
There was also a belief that fragrant smelling flowers could keep the infection from spreading to one’s own body, that’s why the plague doctors had those big bird noses on their masks; the beak was crammed with fragrant flowers and petals.
I just bought my littlest grandchildren the Mother Goose Nursery Rhymes. They love it. Now when they get older, I will teach them what you have taught me here. I love listening to your voice. Keep the videos coming
Thank you so much 🖤☺️
2:03 -- The word "cockleshells" could also be seen as a reference to Catholicism. The scallop (or cockle) shell is an attribute of St. James the Great (or "the Elder"), for whom Mary Queen of Scots named her son. It was also a symbol of pilgrimage. Many illustrations of *The Canterbury Tales* depict the pilgrims wearing shells on their cloaks or hats.
Thank you for sharing your knowledge: you're right, this is a great contender to explain the 'cockleshell' line. As another interesting tid-bit, I just read that the scallop shell was chosen to represent St James the Great because, according to tradition, when the remains of St James were originally unearthed, it was said to be covered in scallop shells: fascinating! Thank you for being here, I appreciate it! :D
That makes a lot of sense, thanks.
@@The-Resurrectionists I'm Protestant, but my husband (a former altar boy) tells people I know more about symbolism and iconography than he does! I'm just an old, slightly-OCD woman who got tired of seeing beautiful paintings, knowing they just exude emotion, but not recognizing the symbols. I'm glad you found my comment interesting -- at least interesting enough to scamper around the interwebs, looking for more info!
Very interesting.
Thank you
Very interesting.
Thank you
There are so many nursery rhymes from childhood! My mum always told me that Mary, Mary was about Mary Tudor. I tend to agree. I'd love to hear you do London Bridge, Ring around the rosy, , and Jack & Jill.
I just found your channel and immediately subscribed. Not only is your narration pleasing to the ear, but you paint pictures with well chosen words and the research back in time is interesting and in depth. Love it.
Same!
"Painting their connection with forbidden colors"- FABULOUS imagery ❤
You forgot to mention that Mary Queen of Scots was heavily pregnant at the time of Risotto's murder in her rooms. And that Bothwell was suspended of Darley's murder as Mary's revenge for Ritsios murder. She is reputed to have run away with Bothwell to escape the displeasure of her nobles intact not long after her escape to northern England the nobles had her baby son crowned king in her place and several of her male relatives ran Scotland untill he was old enough to rule in his own right. And what a nasty little king he turned out to be
My mother taught me this one along with many other nursery rhymes she heard from her mother. She was born in 1926. It's amazing how these were still told so many generations removed from England.
I just love to hear the narrator's voice. It's crisp, clear, soft and hypnotizing.
Thank you so much 😊🖤
This is new to me. Highly interesting. I'm going with Mary Tudor. The points seem to line up more precisely. Thank you and I'll certainly be back for more. Now to browse your play list.
Thank you so much! I really appreciate your support and I'm so glad you enjoyed the video :)
I don’t usually click on sites I’m unfamiliar with. Was intrigued by the subject. The introduction to this video was both Lyrical and Weird. Great combination. I subscribed. Now to watch the video.
you probably dont talk to strangers either! but is it a good policy?
The narration and script on this video is superb. How refreshing to watch a video with a script and narration that is intelligent, literate, and clear on the ear. Well done to all those who were involved in writing and producing this video.
I'm related distantly to Mary Queen of Scotts, my family line started from an illegitimate child she had with a stable hand. Her "hot bloodedness " is quite true
My son wanted me to narrate children's stories and fairy tales for coming generations to hear in great grandma's voice. I did it and remembered as I was recording the history of some of them. I remember, (I was young then) reading with horror the stories behind them. I thought after I read the nursery rhymes that I should do some videos of the histories for grownups, but you've done it so well, I don't need to. Thanks! BTW, my paternal grandmother (she of the cocktail dresses, not cookies) used to tell us a story that was terrifying, I was 7 and my sister was 3. I had nightmares for 3 nights...
We need to know the scary tales! Don't stop there!
Well of course you do. Your voice is special to your family.
That is so kind of you, I will never forget my recording of Peter Piper.,,over and over because I just kept laughing! @@JoyPeace-ej2uv
Yes, what was the terrifying story?
The graceful interpretation, soulful and married to great use of metaphor, once again establishing our language. Both written and spoken, how befitting it seems, that the very words we use to unveil the past, ousts any doubt of the language itself being created to describe these very times.
We are now tied to our language, as no other language is quite as befitting the behavior of our past.
Thank you kind Madame, your eloquent service to all of us.
❤🌸❤
I believe this rhyme is about Mary 1 of England, that unmistakable line referencing her lack of heirs, ( how does your garden grow). "Quite contrary" is a reference to her unsuccessful attempt to reverse ecclesiastical changes effected by her father, Henry V111.
Ring around the rosey, was a rhyme about a plague that had a red rash with a ring around it. “They all fall down” means they all died.
@@phaedrapage4217I thought it was a reference to a pocket full of potion, as in medicine.
I think this widespread idea has been proven to be untrue. I can’t remember where I read this - possibly in work by the Opies - but I’ll try to come back with references.
The plague explanation is false and doesn’t show up until after WWII, but was such a great dark tale that it became very real as a theory. It isn’t known exactly where the rhyme came from. What is known is that it is a child’s round dance. It’s like trying to explain other folk origins. I haven’t looked it up, but what is the history of musical chairs?
@oakmaiden2133.., Concise, & shocking..Beautiful..Love it..✌️😳
Enjoyed this- Thanks. I Subbed. You could delve into the Dark History of "The Pied Piper" and The 12th Century Childrens Crusade. Population starving- sent the Children off - all were captured as Slaves.
Thank you for your kind words and for subscribing! I really appreciate your support! :) I will definitely delve into the pied piper in the future, it is a fascinating mystery and with some great history behind it too!
I am leaning towards Mary Queen of Scots because of the line about pretty maids all in a row. The four "Maries" were composed of Mary's favorite ladies in waiting. Along with Mary herself, they were all referred to as Mary. Mary, plus the four Maries, did everything together & were highly criticized for it.
Such a beautiful song, with a tragic meaning
“how does your garden grow”
Sounds more like BIoody Mary, whose ‘garden’ (womb) would not grow.
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@@RalphEllis
Think thats a bit of a stretch to be honest.
Who would call a baby/womb "a garden" ? ...
Seems a "incongruous" to put it mildly
Has been a metaphor in many instances. Referenced in Song of Solomons. Also, in a song by the band Heart...@@rainblaze.
@@rainblaze.planting ones seed.
More please! Well done, this is exactly the kind of storytelling that I love. A story within a story… Within a story
Thank you so much! 😊🖤
Nearly 9k subscribers in a month? Bloody well deserved. Well produced, intelligent and very very interesting. My Grandmother used to sing me nursery rhymes when I was very small. Scared the living crap out of me at the time. When I found out about their origins, I realised just why. Subbed on the strength of this vid.
How's this for a possible video; "Goosey Goosey Gander?" That one really freaks me out.
Oh, and for what it's worth, Thumbscrews don't seem to have been known in England during Mary Tudor's reign, and the so-called choking pear, was never used here. So, I'm going for Mary tudor, but with the cockle shells as a reference to Catholic pilgrims badges. Why not Mary Stuart? One reason; Elizabethan England had quite enough going on at that time to write ballads about, without having to go North of the Border! i.e., an almost endless succession of plots against Liz 1.
Thank you so much for your kind words and support, it's really appreciated! :)
I want to express my gratitude once more for your lovely comment! It brought a smile to my face, and I genuinely appreciate you sharing your knowledge and enthusiasm.
I've started delving into the intriguing history of "Goosey Goosey Gander," and it's shaping up to be a captivating subject! I'm excited to explore it further and plan to create a video about it in the near future, thank you for the idea! 🌟🦢🎥
Oh goody…can’t wait for one on Goosey! Also scared the bejesus out of me!
Where all the content
"Bloody"?? Think before you speak next time.
Or you have a mom who is a little on the spectrum and explained Mary Quite Contrary to you in detail when you were 6. ❤ Fortunately, kids love it when grownups are honest about the gruesome...she also gave me the Dover fairy tale books, violence included, at 7, to encourage reading. Lol😂
I had the Dover books too. ETA: and the Edward Gorey books. Miss those…
Gotta love those moms 😉
About the most gruesome I had was the Tale of the Red shoes where in the end the lady had to have her feet cut off b/c of the cursed shoes and the little mermaid when she had to have her tongue cut out to become human or something like that. The story of Rapunzel was based on the fact that many times a creditor did abduct the firstborn child and subjected them to slave labor for a debt owed.
My second-grade teacher gave each of her students a book at the end of the year, and mine was The Crimson Fairy Book. I spent a lot of time that summer getting lost in those stories.
As a very curious second language speaker, thank you so much! I absolutely love explanations of little things that native English speakers takes for granted.
Now this is one of my favorite types of history to learn about. Fairy-tales and nursery rhymes 👸 👑 ♠️
Me too! :D Thank you for your lovely comment :)
It always was felt to have been about Mary Tudor, she always had an ax to grind against her own father for what he did to her mother, if you wanted to live you said you followed her lead for religion, but so many hated the Catholic Church as they were surprised by it, when Henry VIII broke away and formed the English church it was no longer spoken in Latin but in English, even the lowest man in the kingdom was able to understand the sermons.
(audible gasp from the upper class) 😳
I always thought it was about Mary, too. It was far more applicable to her.
But let’s not forget, her sister Elizabeth I also martyred and tortured Catholics and priests.
Me too
I was always told it was about Mary Tudor too.
Very interesting. Im a history buff but didnt know the origins of this peculiar nursery rhyme. Thank you for shedding some line. Excellent story telling btw!
Glad you enjoyed it! Thank you for the kind words 😊🖤
Great video! I have always been intrigued by the 'Goosey, Goosey Gander' poem. 😀
Goosey goosey gander,
Whither shall I wander?
Upstairs and downstairs,
And in my lady’s chamber.
There I met an old man,
Who wouldn’t say his prayers,
So I took him by his left leg,
And threw him down the stairs.
Bloody Mary (Mary Tudor) seems the most likely inspiration for this nursery rhyme. This was wonderfully presented. Your voice is very soothing.
This was really interesting - I've not heard of this nursery rhyme being linked to Mary Queen of Scots before, only Mary Tudor!
A suggestion for future videos would be Old Mother Hubbard.
"London Bridge Is Falling Down' is one about which I've often wondered. I recall " Ring Around the Rosie" being about the Black Plague...
London Bridge is fascinating, I'm planning a future video on that one so stay tuned! Thank you so much for your support, it means the world to me :)
@@The-Resurrectionists 😊💀😂
Ring around the rosey is about roseola
Well, quite a nice summary of Mary Queen of Scot's life, but the only probable connection to the nursery rhyme is the fact that it's about someone called Mary.
We will never truly know, but it is fun to look at all the different theories, and hopefully learn some interesting history along the way! Thanks for watching :)
Perfectly narrated.
Most common nursery rhymes have dark origins, they grew out of common folks need to satirize current events.
You don't have to go back as far as Mary, Mary, or Ring Around the Rosie to find this dark humour rendered into rhyme either.
Case in point:
The Lizzie Borden murder trial in 1892
"Lizzie Borden took an axe
She gave her mother forty whacks.
When she saw what she had done
She gave her father forty-one."
A little more on point, but it comes from the same need the common man has to make light of dire situations.
Yeah, I've known for some time the "SINISTER SIDE" of old "Nursery Rhymes." I didn't know about this one however. I believe the "Nursery Rhyme" "Mary, Mary, Quite Contrary" has to do with the Queen of Scotland. All of these tales END BADLY, VERY SAD!!!! Thank-You for enlightening us!!!!
Um... the theory that the rhyme refers to Mary Queen of Scots is based on the final line being "and cuckolds all in a row". But the first printed version in 1744 ended with "and so my garden grows". Just sayin'.
I think we sometimes go overboard with analyzing nursery rhymes, assuming that because *some* are known to have dark hidden meanings therefore *all* of them do. It's easy to claim that some word or phrase symbolizes anything you choose. That's why people believe today that the Prophecies of Nostradamus are so accurate; with sufficiently creative interpretation you can claim anything means anything.
Maybe some nursery rhymes are just amiable nonsense intended to help small children develop their verbal skills, using rhymes and humor to make it fun.
Back in those days they did not usually make things fun for kids, making up rhymes like these was the 18th centuries idea of satire, meant for adults not children.
Thanks for your comment! I can understand the thinking behind one version being published at an earlier date than the other, and therefore the older one must be the 'original'. However, the authors of these works never claimed to have wrote them themselves, merely that they were penning rhymes and stories that had been past down to them from oral traditions. Back in the day, books were a rare expensive luxury, and not everyone could read or write. So, it's possible that the authors of these rhymes didn't know about each other's work before writing their own. This means there could have been different versions of the rhyme floating around at the same time, changing slightly over the years. One author was possibly passed down the version that ended "so my garden grows", the other "sing cuckolds all a row" with no prior awareness of the other. It wasn't until these rhymes started to be written down, rather than passed down orally, did we get one solid version that was known universally. You often find different words/versions of nursery rhymes used depending on geographic location too. This can be seen in the 'Hey Diddle Diddle' nursery rhyme, which sees the little dog laughing to see such 'sport', 'fun' or 'craft' depending on what region you live in! So, this all adds to the idea that these rhymes have a rich and complex history. Thanks for sharing your thoughts! :) 📚
Many Biblical stories, Aesop's fables, nursery tales, the Thousand and One Nights, the Brothers Grimm Hans and Christian Andersen fairytales, ancient Greek and Roman myths and legends, etc., are notorious for gruesome violence in the original versions and have often been "bowdlerized" to be more child-friendly.
My Dad used to recite this rhyme to me as a child here and there. Now i will never see it the same. Thank you for the insight.
Brilliant. I would love to see several movies (or books) from every perspective. With a final version as a combination of all.
"Every perspective"? What the....? The only one that matters is the TRUE perspective! Only truth has rights. Error has no rights.
What an enchanting channel, so glad I found it ... great job on this one ❤
I cannot wait to see more videos from you! This was brilliantly executed!
Thank you so much! More on the way! :)
Another very interesting post. History never ceases to amaze us. 👍👍 Well done.
Thank you so much 😊🖤
Just found your channel and am now subscribed, I love learning history and this is great.
Thank you so much for your support and kind words, they mean the world to me! Welcome! :)
WOW I'm pleased to have found this channel. I remember as a young girl my friends pulled me into their circle singing these rhymes. As they got to Ring around the Rosie's pocket full of poseaies. I had a feeling of panic over came me. As young as I was my grandmother made sure I knew about any diseases. I was bathed in three inches of water in the tub with bleach and ker-o-sol pinesols cheaper cousin. As my skin burned and was scrapped off I was told about that rhythm. I walked backwards and refused to play that ryhm game. It was the posies I was a gardening feind and my grandfather could grow anything. Posieses were thought to ward off plague. It's all there I didn't find it a bit funny. As we always camped near a water source or they pacific ocean I was completely unaware she was also terrified of water. Living through the 55' flood I'm thought it might be that which made her terrified of water but she always had it along with every superstition. I can still remember that feeling that day. I was seven and remember watching black & White's about animals afflicted with anthrax. I've been through three flloods I have no fear of water or the three rivers I live wrapped in. My first in 86' I was pissed I had to leave my horse. That afternoon we'd been at the Mall where the water was busting through the huge heavy wooden doors. It was the coolest thing I'd ever seen. A bit rambling but I appreciate finding this community.😊
I always thought that the nursery rhyme referred to Bloody Mary, that is what I was told by my older relatives.
Excellent storytelling and examination of the rhyme. Quite chilling to listen to in the dark. Subscribed
Thank you! Glad you enjoyed :)
You should read for audio books... great voice. Very soothing...
I had no idea this UA-cam channel was so new, I found it fascinating and had plans to binge watch several videos... ah well, something to enjoy as I have subscribed and ticked the bell, and look forward to what's read next! 👍🤠👍
great video!! i have read the Iron Maiden never really was a functional torture device of this era and was thought up afterward / is a more modern fictional thing. real vs imagined torture devices, that could be an interesting subtopic video
Love that video idea! Thank you for watching :D
This is fantastic. I could listen to the narrator all day.
Wow, thank you!
A history book I once read, mentioned Mary Queen of Scots as a "possible" source of this poem. It's other "possible" source was King Henry VIII's daughter, Queen Mary. Personally, I agree with your conclusion.
Nothing is better than drama. Great analysis of the stories sorrounding these two Marys
You tell these tales very well! Never heard that Rizzo and Darnley had any kind of sexual relationship.
Rizzo is a RAT!
Thank you so much! :)
There is no evidence that they had a relationship. That is all conjecture made by the filmmakers. They are trying to make it into a "fact" by repeating this lie to the media over and over again. If you look at what true historians say, then you will see that there is nothing alluding to an affair between those two.
This is some top their story telling 👏🏿👏🏿
Love the channel, love your voice. What’s next? I guess I’ll have to wait and see.
Thank you so much for your kind words :)
Huh. I always thought it was about Mary Tudor. Thank you for the history!
You're so welcome, thank you for watching and commenting :D
This was brilliant, fascinating and so well reached and narrated. Particularly like the explanations and definitions of words lost to history.
Always understood it was about Mary Tudor but intriguing to here the Mary Queen of Scots theory.
Thank you so much for this definitely subscribed from more
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Hi I just got this in my recommended, but I do watch a lot of historical history, really enjoyed it and subbed straight away. I lived in the UK for 3 years. I reckon it’s definitely about Mary Tudor, but perhaps people in England sang it about Mary Tudor and the Scots about Mary Queen of Scots so perhaps a little interchangeable depending on where you lived. Great stuff I look forward to watching more. All the best with your subscription numbers I hope they rise quickly or at least steadily.
Thank you so much and welcome! 😊🖤 I definitely think it was interchanged between England and Scotland!
@@The-Resurrectionists Yes absolutely. Thank you for the reply now it’s off to work for me on this beautiful spring Saturday morning.
I will go with Mary Queen of Scots, the Scottish court was full of intrigue. Interesting channel, Subscribed
Thank you for your support, it means the world to me! Welcome! :)
I'll never understand channels asking people to subscribe before we've even watched the video!
It’s funny how, as children (or at least when I was a child in dinosaur days) we were told these innocent nursery rhymes and things like Grimm’s fairy tales without knowing how truly dark they really were. It’s not until you’re an adult that you look back and say, “Omg, why would my parents TELL me that?!?” Even “Rock-a-Bye Baby”… Why do we sing that to our babies as a lullaby? It’s about a baby falling out of a tree! I somehow don’t think that’s comforting to the baby… No wonder a lot of us are messed up. We were traumatized since birth! 😂
Just getting us ready from birth for how transfix the real world is, is small age appropriate doses of course lol
What about "this little piggy went to the market".....it's about slaughtering the pigs for consumption...odd we tell it on children's toes
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I heard the lyrics changed, and that’s what I sang to my kids when they were little. I ended it with “And mommy will catch you, cradle and all”. I would life them up, rock them, drop them, then catch them on that line. They loved it, but my back didn’t 😂. I miss those days though
@@justineharper3346 I did that too !(altered the words) -- I told them "--- and daddy will catch you, cradle and all'
Interesting! Looking forward to more videos. I liked in your Humpty Dumpty video you read the verse (and variants) out loud at the very beginning. It’s helpful to have it fresh in your mind.
Other options that would be great to learn would be Old Mother Hubbard, Ring Around the Rosie, Little Miss Moffett. Or the real stories behind fairy tales that Disney left out…
also little miss moffit, ring around the rosies, 12 days of christmas, and many more
This was fascinating. Thank you for posting.
Glad you enjoyed! :)
98% of all nursery rhymes: Oh you thought it was just a silly kids song? Well here's the darkest most effed up thing you can possibly imagine as a backstory!
Thanks for a very eloquent and well-researched investigation. One of the burning questions has to be how do rhymes like this end up as 'nursery rhymes' for children, when they seem to express in a 'condensed and hinted order' (to use Rosetti's phrase about balladry) an adult theme or message, perhaps of a very gruesome nature? Is it because children are much more adept at accepting the absurd at face-value, without questioning it?
The entire quatrain:
Mary, Mary, quite contrary
How does your garden grow?
With silver bells and cockleshells
And pretty maids all in a row.
- rests upon an absurdity, or contradiction, if read literally - the 'garden' in question must be a metaphysical, rather than a normal garden, as bells and cockleshells (i.e. the shells of dead cockles) are inanimate. However, these could be popular names for certain plants that have bell-like or shell-like flowers; and in a garden that has been tended, most plants grow in rows - so 'pretty maids' could be a popular name for a flower, like a marigold for instance. Then you are still left with trying to explain the word 'contrary' - but it could have no real meaning, being just there as a musical rhyme with 'Mary' - as so often happens in folk-song. So on one level, the poem could mean just what it says, and no more. This probably isn't the case, though. If one considers the structure of it, one can either read it as a dialogue, with the last 2 lines answering the first 2 lines; or as one speech - the surface meaning of it being 'How can your garden 'grow', with these things in it? - it isn't a garden at all.' - hence the word 'contrary'. I think the interpretation rests on the significance of the word 'garden'. If this is about one of the Queen Marys, then 'garden' could have as one of its meanings 'realm' - as in the gardeners' scene in Shakespeare's 'Richard the Second' - 'Go thou, and like an executioner ...' etc - where methods of governing a kindom are described in terms of gardening practice. The word 'contrary' perhaps links this to Mary Tudor, who married Charles Brandon against the wishes of Henry VIII. As you imply, however, this apparently innocent quatrain could hold a myriad of meanings. It's interesting that the rhyme is not found (as yet) earlier than the eighteenth century - so could it refer to Lady Mary Wortley Montagu (c.1690-1770)? - who was quite a 'contrary' figure.
P.S. - have you done an analysis of 'Goosey, Goosey Gander'??? - if not, then I suggest this as your next endeavour.
Perhaps it was a way of conveying an oral history regarding sensitive topics. Things that could be treasonous or slander could be dismissed as foolishness for children.
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Man, we're they brutal in those days ! Wow ! Lord have mercy ! Once they started killing one another, it never stopped ! Sick stuff ! 🧡🙏🏻
Yes they were!
Yeah, because nowadays, nobody kills anyone. They just impeach and indite.
Adding to the spine-tingling mystery and what goes bump in the night! Paraphrasing of course, but enjoy all the connotations.
As a kid I remember watching an old Disney cartoon that I loved. It talked about the possible origins of famous nursery rhymes, and this was one of them. If I recall, they suggested Mary was Mary, Queen of Scots. It being Disney, they definitely didn't included the cuckold line, but the rest was very similar.
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I love learning something new. The History behind the rhyme is really sinister.I thought it was a Song by the german Band CAN and they were singing about Smoking Marihuana.Thankyou for another History lesson.
Mary probably saved her own life and crown. That cruel man she mistakenly married directly threatened her also in his orchestration of the torture and death of her secretary in her presence, despite her objections. She acted in self defense, if she was the responsible party.
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I choose Mary Tudor as the main origin. It looks like more obvious. Then perhaps fragments of folk lore about Mary the queen of the Scots were added as the folk lore confused the two.
I thought this whilst researching and writing this piece. It occurred to me that the shift from "Mistress Mary" to "Mary Mary" might have arisen from the melding of the two distinct Marys' lives within the rhyme. Your insight aligns with this idea, and I'm genuinely appreciative of your input. Thank you for sharing your thoughts!
For as long as I can remember, I always thought this nursery rhyme was about Marie Antoinette & I have no idea why or who put the idea in my head.
The Mary Tudor theory, on the other hand, makes perfect sense to me though, let's face it, I've been wrong about this nursery rhyme before...
Thanks for another beautifully written tale.
No. It's the Queen of Scots who is this Mary.
I thought "silver bells" was a reference to burying people with a chain or string attached to a bell above the grave, in case they were not dead but in a coma or unconscious, so they could ring the bell for help. I know that was done but not sure in the same time period.
That was well written and presented,thank you.
I would like to know the origin of "Wee Willie Winkie". I used to have sleepless nights after hearing it
Fascinating stuff, love this learning the truth behind nursery rhymes , Thankyou
Has anyone ever considered that these 'rhymes' were not written for the children but for the adults? However sinister the story behind those rhymes, some of them are cute, and for centuries children have loved singing and dancing to them. Ring Around the Rosie, London Bridge, and Mary, Mary, are just a couple that we sang on the playground, or in our yards, or in the car on the road to Granma's house.
Now think about some of the popular songs since the Sixties, that play on many radios or other musical conveyances. I can't name those songs with hidden 'suggestions' because I seldom listen to lyrics. I get caught up in the music. But my children explained what they were and their meaning.
So. We can criticize the history behind our children's jingles and forget our own music's hidden meanings? Or we can recognize that some children just ignore what doesn't make them happy. Other children probably already recognize the 'hidden' meanings, and just ignore them and listen to the music. As for those sensitive souls, both young and old, we comfort them and explain in a gentle way (Yes Gentle), some of the facts of life. And someday they can grow up to be healthy parents of equally healthy and balanced children. We hope.
Always a fan of British history and nursery rhymes I love this series. I read my first book on the subject in under graduate school. I should have gotten a Phd. in history and been a professor but silly me I went to law school.
Thank you so much for your wonderful comment! 😊 It's fantastic to hear that you're a fan of British history and nursery rhymes, and I'm thrilled that you're enjoying the series. It's never too late to keep exploring your passion for history, even if you pursued a different path like law school. Your love for the subject shines through, and who knows, you might still have plenty of opportunities to share your knowledge and enthusiasm for history in the future! :)
This is really fantastic story telling. Brilliantly written and the narration was dramatic and vibrant. Really well done.
Thank you for your kind words 😊🖤
Fantastic stuff 😍
Hey I recognize that voice. I didnt realize that it wasn’t the channel I expected when I clicked on this. 😮❤
I read Grimm fairytales when very young. (Fortunately, my mother realized the sight method would result in an inability to read and taught me to read with phonics.) You can’t get much grimmer than Grimm…I still a remember a line from Cinderella…one if the evil stepsisters is riding away wearing THE SHOE. A bird follows, calling out, “look back, look back, there’s blood on the track,” because she cut iff a chunk of her heel in order to wear the shoe. That Cinderella wore after was disturbing. Not political, but still not exactly what young children should read. My parents actually taught me the real meaning of these rhymes back in the 1950s. Ring Around the Rosie’s, a rhyme about the plague, and still chanted back then, was never the same!
Terrific!
Wonderful, story telling!
A great video! A solo voice narrates historical events with artistic images blended together, gripping one's attention to the fullest sense!
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I'd love to know the story behind See Saw Margery Daw
Yes! I had forgotten that one. As a little kid I just thought it was silly words to fit the pattern of the rhyme but now... 'Jenny shall have a new master'? Now it sounds sinister.
Thank you for the suggestion! It's a great rhyme with some interesting historical origins, I will definitely do a future video on it! :)
@@adoxartist1258 it might not be so sinister. a "jenny" is a female donkey, not just a person's name.
I enjoyed listening to the narrator's voice, beautifully melodic, and I subscribed.
Great job ! Liked and subscribed 🧡🙏🏻
Could your video share descriptions please be expanded to include a 'References' portion for your viewers who would like to pursue further? Thank you for another unique presentation.
Great idea! I will do just that from now on :) Thank you for watching and for your valuable feedback!