*Please use your best judgement. There are fake accounts impersonating me. I will never solicit you to buy Bitcoin or sign up for a Whatsapp.* Have you been the victim of ghosting before?
I interviewed at a medical-software company in Calgary two years ago. They had me give a 20-minute presentation on a highly technical topic that I had never seen before. Very stressful. After that they ghosted me. The point of the interview was to get that presentation for free, instead of hiring someone to do it. I won't get taken advantage of like that again.
This just happened to me. A recruiter wanted to set up the second interview, set up a time and day, told me they would email me a link for a zoom type interview. This was after a phone interview. No link was sent, and the recruiter then reached out to me with a totally different job title.
Happened to me a few yrs back. I called back got one of the assholes on the line and let her have it. The abuse she took For what her shitty 40k a yr job... loL
@@RedFlannelReviews We need to stop being pussys. Stop turning the other cheek. Moral superiority is a bunch of horseshit. Especially if you wasted 6 weeks on 8 interviews to be ghosted when you are over qualified. The real worker revolt is coming. Not these coffee cup slingers with nose rings and purple hair.
Yeah I agree with you, no one will wait for forever just for them to come back. some employers are slow like tortoise and will take even over a month to complete the process
Yeah, I’d be curious what the data is on the percentage of candidates that say that they have moved on if/when they ever get an actual call versus template email.
Never wait for any potential employer. Until you have a signed contract, act as though you don't have any prospects. Tough luck to employers who don't act fast. They generated this mess.
Also, don't fool yourself that you are "safe" even with a signed contract. You might get fired the next day. Always be prospecting. You should have 1-2 interviews each month just to keep your skills up and you should constantly look on the market.
Yep. I had an interview with a company almost a month ago. Their initial pay was a little low and they took forever so I kept interviewing with other companies. One of them gave me an offer which I accepted, then 2 days later the company i interviewed with weeks ago finally offered me except i used the lack of contact and my other offer to get them to raise my salary 6k a year.
Carrie Bradshaw said it best in an episode of “Sex and the City”. “In New York, a girl is always looking for a new job, a new apartment, and a new boyfriend.” Same principal applies to the job for both genders no matter where you are. And as for living arrangements and relationships? Well that’s up to you.
About 3 years ago I vented my frustration at one agency who failed to let me know if I got the job or not. They emailed saying that the hiring manager had left. Meanwhile I was trying to get over the 4 hours I put into the interviewing process. It was snowing heavily and I was still able to get there. We were given a test of role playing, left waiting for 40 minutes in the cafeteria and then being called to do the gruelling interview. I didn’t hear anything. Moved on. Did some temp jobs until I got the job I still have today.
I’ve been ghosted after the third interview. But 4 months later into my new job they called the schedule a final interview. I had so much fun telling them about my new job 😁
Ghosting is a tactic to demoralize your value. The best way to handle ghosting is by keep applying and maintaining your value because in reality is all about the cheap buck. I had times where I don't get any interviews, and I had times where I have a full week booked with interviews. Patience is a virtue. Somedays are good, somedays are bad.
it's messed up how THEY expect you as the potential employee to spend lots of time researching the company, writing specific cover letters for the company, and create specific resumes just for them but after all that, they don't have the courtesy to let you know you weren't chosen to move further. But when you do the same because you are mass applying to tons of jobs, they cry about you being lazy. These companies should at least have generic rejection email so people aren't sitting there waiting for responses. Especially when we move on to other opportunities and then they decided weeks later that their first choice rejected them and they are calling you as a Plan B but you tell them you got another offer and they blame you for letting go of a good opportunity. SMH
Let them face their own mistakes. In a way it’s your revenge when you got offers and they’re too late. They’re the one who made mistake not you for not choosing you in the first place.
After interviewing with someone, how much time and trouble does it take to say "you didn't get the position, we went with another candidate we feel is a better fit, we wish you all the best in your job search, Sincerely XXX"?
Yes indeed! They can send out the same response they send when they auto-reject your resume (for companies who actually do that). "We're sorry, but we have decided to move forward with a candidate better suited for this opportunity". Translation: while you have spent considerable time learning how to customize your credentials and navigate ATS, you were unable to crack the code.
How about the put your application "on hold" but they never get back to you. And, in some cases the job is still advertised for a long time without filling that job.
After several rounds of interviews, I got the “when can you start and what salary?” Two weeks after my reply the job was re-posted word for word with a lower title. Needless to say, I feel incredibly sorry for their next employee… sorry *victim* who will be expected to do director level work at an entry level salary.
I saw this myself. They were dishonest about the work responsibility and didn't tell me until I had already started. Needless to say, I didn't stay there. They wanted to pay me a standard salary for a position requiring admin responsibility for a Hospital.
@@vooo1314 Depends on the field. Salary range is a baseline but for specialties like Medical which require a level of education/licensure need to be more specific.
I applied for a job with a government entity, there was no description of the job duties and the only one year of experience. I later learned they had an internal candidate, but because they were a government entity they had to post the position. The interview wasn’t great, I learned I would drown in the position because I wouldn’t have much guidance and they learned almost nothing about me. Then they really tripped and fell on their faces, they told me in my rejection letter who they had hired! I knew someone who worked there and asked them to let the successful candidate know this had happened. My takeaway was that if you have an internal candidate make sure the posting is some pie in the sky job description so you don’t have to interview rubes. I really thought I was applying for an entry level position!
Out of about 20 companies I've applied to this year I'd say only 2-3 had what I would consider quality, professional internal recruiters that either automatically update you when your status changes or will respond when you nudge them. One actually scheduled a video meeting to tell me I had been rejected and give me feedback. I don't expect that level of courtesy, I know they're busy, but wow, that company is one I keep on my shortlist to regularly check for new job postings. If their recruiting team is that awesome, I can't imagine how great the rest of the company is.
Remember that a company’s reputation changes. It’s rarely for the better without a major transformation (like a new leadership), but it often goes down.
This video is the best yet. Giving allot of closure to dozens of no callbacks. The irritation is that the recruiter reaches out to me directly in the first place.
This happened to me recently, actually for a dream job.. He reached out to me. Him and the manager loved me and pushed it to the director... never set up an interview. 4 Weeks later I havent heard back.
Unless they tell me otherwise, I always assume that if I don’t hear back from the recruiter or company I interviewed with in 5-7 days it means I didn’t get the job. I simply move on and don’t think about it. No need to get upset over this. Trust me, if they’re interested in hiring you, they usually get back to you right away.
@@ross4 Why? Sending emails to every single person interviewed can take hours in a day. It may not be a lot of time for one email, but a big company that gets dozens of applicants a day, they have to screen, interview, set up meeting times, etc, it all adds up. You can also be proactive and call and email them and if they're not answering, it's pretty obvious they don't intend to hire.
@@ross4 So what? That still requires someone to create it. Also you said it yourself "if they wanted to." If they don't want to they don't have to. Do you call/contact a company after you've interviewed with them to say you're not interested as well? No. Because _you don't have to._
as a rule, if I am ghosted (especially after a follow up email or call), I won't respond that the recruiter again and will delete and blocked them on Linkedin
I did that recently. I had several conversations with a recruiter. He told me the hiring manager wanted to have a call with me but then ghosted me when I replied to find out when. I blocked him on LinkedIn.
Frankly, any hiring manager who cannot follow through with every single candidate they interview should have their position reconsidered by their organization. Poor communication, indecisiveness, lack of organization, inconsistent follow through with tasks, etc. are all qualities of a poor employee, regardless of what position they hold.
Absolutely. I completely understand not getting back to everyone who submitted an application, but if they take the time to interview you, I think they have a DUTY to get back to you within a week to say something, anything.
I recently got ghosted for a job application, due to them hiring someone else. As a customer of them, I found it highly unprofessional and seriously makes me question whether I want to continue doing business with them in the future. Thank you for this video. It just boggles my mind why recruiters go through the trouble of interviewing someone, only to ghost them afterwards.
I think more businesses need to wake up and realise that many candidates are also potential clients, particularly in more B2C-type companies. Mistreating your customers is considered a bad move in any other situation.
@@Kaboomboo You don’t make any sense. Ghosting a potential employee is very unprofessional. People have bills to pay and aren’t going to wait weeks on end for a response. A quick call or email is easy. The candidates have already made the time and effort to attend the interview. If employees are showing red flags in a interview, could you really trust them in the workplace ? I hate to be hired by you if you think it’s acceptable for employers to practice ghosting. You’re acting offended because candidates won’t accept unprofessional behaviour is crazy.
@@MelaniaRose Oh boo hoo with your bills. The company doesn't care about your time or bills. You are acting so entitled that the world and everyone else's time revolves around yours. It doesn't. If you're not getting a call back, and they're not taking your calls, what more evidence do you need? Oh and the whole candidates taking time and effort to attend the interview? Yeah, the company does that too. The people conducting the interview are also doing them on company time. Are you going to pay them for their time? No, because you don't have to. And they sure as heck don't owe you anything if they're not interested. You've got a lot to learn if you want to survive in the real world. I wouldn't hire your over emotional, entitled self anyway.
@@Kaboomboo You have no idea how ignorant that comment is. This a terrible false equivalency because any company has myriads of candidates for any job they need filled, they aren't going to lose any sleep if one candidate blows them off. Get real.
I did that simply because the company did not keep me in the loop in terms of who my boss was and what location I would be training at. I texted the point of contact, no response. I contacted corporate, no response. I send them a resignation letter the day I was supposed to start work simply because they gave me such a bad first impression as a new employee. HR was in a panic and tried to get me to change my mind. No Bueno.
This happened to my former boss. We had a hired person that ghost our department on start day. My boss was so butt hurt that he overlooked other good candidates, just to try to get that hired person to reconsider.
@@thehawk5141 - Years ago I worked for a certain electronics retailer. New guy came to work and we ALL talked up the company and the potential, blah-blah. Even though we know it seldom lived up the hype. Guy left for lunch with a smile on his face and never came back, never called or returned a call. He knew the deal straight up.
From a person that has worked for Amazon for years.... the decency of letting you know where you at in the recruiting process does not make up for the s*** they put most people through while working for them.
@@jakebourns3628 they overwork employees and screw people who get injured on job from workers comp. Horrible work conditions where you're peeing in bottles to keep your items per minute up etc. Even workers not in the warehouse or delivery section are held to insane metrics. Everyone I know only lasts 3 months at best
@@sly9889 oof!!! Sounds like I just dodged a bullet😬 I’m blessed luckily I just received an offer from carmax as a sales consultant and I took the position. Was starting to get desperate and was considering taking the Amazon job cuz I knew I’d be able to get it. Thank you for the info!!
@@sly9889 I hear about the bottles thing and I'm still not believing it. A company as big as Amazon, with so many eyes on it, would have OSHA riding their butts if that were the case. I also haven't seen any evidence.
I am currently ghosted! I was thinking for a long time that I have done something terribly wrong at the interview until I watched this video. Thank you so much. I cant describe in words how much it hurts my feelings, particularly after I put in so much effort in preparation and did best at the interview. I was so much interested in that position, because my experience and skills perfectly match to the job description and functions.
1:12 Ghosting in the interviewing process is *NOT* poor candidate experience. That's just poor and unprofessional behavior by the interviewer, any way you look at it. If the candidate, in any way, fails the interview, the interviewer needs to own the situation and either tell the candidate you're going with another candidate or you still have more people to interview. To just not say anything and leave someone up in the air, that's just a dick move by the interviewer.
I think he means "poor candidate experience" as in "you, as the to be recruited person, have a shit time due to ghosting" as he alluded to Amazon with good candidate experience because they want to keep you a potential customer
Absolutely no excuse for a company to ghost someone. It really says a lot about the leadership. (I agree that no response to an app isnt ghosting, only when they call you for an interview)
Ghosting after interviews was like 10% of why I left the teaching profession. It's an awful practice, and I hate people who do it. It's like they don't recognize that they're employed and the people they're ghosting may not be. You gotta learn you can't wait for these people.
I’ve been to so many interviews, and never heard back from these companies even after when I’ve left messages via e-mails, or phone messages to let me know the status of their decision of my hiring. If they don’t have the common courtesy to give you an answer either way of your status, then F them.
Yes, dont get hung up on firms, HR who can not be professional, ethical. 1 recent job application firm turned me down but did not cite a specific reason.
according to my relatives (and boy, are they wrong) the candidate is supposed to call their interviewer and ask about the results...... to show we are serious about the job you applied. but when it comes to certain companies, it feels like their recruiters are spamming pre-paid SIMs and never use a company phone to arrange interviews. hell, when i got a job, i got the call from the same guy but with a diferent number
At the end of EVERY interview, I specifically ask them if they'll get back to me even if I don't get the job. Every single hiring manager has said "yes!" in some clearly understood form or another. However, they NEVER do. I'm not exaggerating here. They ALWAYS promise and they NEVER follow through on that promise. Obviously, I want to be hired, but this isn't even about that. It's about employers showing the most basic level of decency and common courtesy to do what you said you would. People often respond here with, "Well, you dodged a bullet, who'd want to work in a place like that anyway?" I'd agree if this was an anomaly, but it's actually the norm, so it gets to a point where you either think that no company is worth working for (and there are those who promote that line of thinking) or you end up having to endure countless waves of dishonesty. Let me be clear here: I'm not upset at not getting the job. My issue here is simply that if someone promises they'll do something, they should do it. If employers have no intention of ever getting back to candidates they've interviewed who don't make the cut, that's fine, but TELL ME. Don't act like you'll do something you'll never do. Unfortunately, expecting people to be honest and keep to their word seems to be a hopeless endeavor, so at this point, I don't trust anything any hiring manager says because no hiring manager has ever given me reason to trust them. Some people would say that I shouldn't let bad experiences color my interactions, but at what point do I go from "keeping an open mind" to "acting like a naive fool" when I'm repeatedly lied to or misled?
If I'm ever head of a company, I would make it a requirement to treat all candidates with dignity and respect. This includes not ghosting anyone. Recruiters should at least send a copy and paste rejection message, that would be good enough. Candidates are already stressed out and feeling vulnerable. Ghosting is not only extremely rude, but makes the company look bad.
I had a recruiter reach out to me and got me all jazzed up for this job. So we scheduled an interview a few days later I was heading home to login to zoom and 5 min prior to the interview they cancelled on me... The recruiter said the company wants to focus on other another division and just re-assigned the recruiter that I was working with. Fast forward a few days later I saw a job posting for that exact job so I figured I would apply. They told me they didn't want me... a few days go by and then an internal recruiter reached out to me about that same job. I told them I wasn't interested lol
I block their email address if they ghost me. Especially if I have provided all my info, provided samples and a tailored resume, had a preliminary interview, and even done a work sample. I get it-sometimes it’s an error on the recruiter’s part, but that indicates a bad culture to me. Not interested.
On my previous interview I had to wait for 15 minutes in an empty Zoom meeting only to be called by HR telling me the manager misunderstood and waited for me to arrive in office. Then, after we started he had his camera off and when I commented on it he said he's aware of it. Kinda regret I didn't shut down my camera as well. He had that vibe of being a jackass especially with questions like "so why is there a 6 months gap in your work history and why do you not have Ubuntu as your home pc OS?"
This is absolutely rampant among companies in smaller, regional markets. After the 10th time it happened to me in 2 months, I started sending feedback after my experience. If nobody says anything, it's not going to get better, and the search process will become even more soul crushing.
He outright said in the video that not responding to an application is NOT ghosting. I personally don't have a problem with them not responding to an application. It's when they interview me, either in-person, remote via computer webcam, or via phone and then cut off all contact that I get annoyed.
Thanks for this. The worst thing is to ping a recruiter on status after what you *think* is an amazing interview with the hiring mgr, only to hear... nothing.
You give them your timeline and make it clear that if you don't hear back by that time, you'll be moving on with "your process". If you have other job offers, tell them that you aren't going to wait for them. They need to make a decision.
I've had a few interesting 'ghosting' situations. One, I was completing some preliminary computer skills tests after an initial interview for a basic admin type position. I did my tests which took about 20 minutes and was told the hiring manager would be notified when I was done. I waited another 10 minutes, another 5, no manager. I opened up the door to the tiny office where the test was held and everyone was gone. It was a cubicle type area that was quite large - at least 50 desk spaces. All empty. It was probably lunch-ish time but EVERYONE was gone. I wandered around a bit but couldn't fine anyone. I left a post-it note on the desk of the person I had just interviewed with letting her know I was gone. I went home and 3 hours later she called and apologized (land lines) and asked if I would like to come back and finish. The vibe of being abandoned was just strange and embarrassing so I declined to 'finish' the interview. #2 was a multi-level interview process where everything seemed to be going well. I was on my 3rd group interview and things seemed to be positive. I was even showed 'my area' and left feeling good. I sent a 'thank you' letter and waited to be called back. Then nothing, no call, email, letter. I didn't want to be a pest but I did send a quick email asking for status. Still nothing. I was disappointed but moved on and didn't bug anyone even though I really would have liked to have been hired. 9 months later I get a 'sorry we moved on with a different candidate' blah, blah, blah... 9 months. Enough time had passed that I didn't readily recognize the company name at first. Nobody is perfect, but it really makes one wonder about the inner workings of some of these companies.
I am still stinging from a similar situation, though I have never had happen what you had in scenario 1. Wow! That is insane that no one was there to even take your materials. That's crap. Plus with number 2, which happened to me too, maybe we're better off not working at that place. They probably will treat us that poorly on a regular basis. I still think about it though, and it hurts. Good luck to you!
The notification after 9 months was probably an automated e-mail sent through Breezy or similar platform. They just closed the position and everyone involved got the same mail. Not that they actually recalled of your existence whatsoever.
@@WeWereEatingRotisserieChicken it was closed within a month after I applied. I checked the posting website showing the status. I think it was a glitch in their data system using one of those applications. I have experience with similar merge platforms and blame it on a third or fourth party getting involved . The letter was very generic and didn’t reference the position I applied for. Lack of attention to detail.
@@taneshabland8686 So ultimately I followed up with the internal recruiter (who initiated the whole process) to then be told that the global head office in Geneva had done a strategic review / restructure and were no longer going ahead with the role. And they never bothered to tell me. This was after 5 positive interviews with senior execs, personality / cognitive testing, salary terms discussion, reference checks etc...I think they felt embarrassed and didn’t want to say anything...
@@peterwhitehead2453 yeah but they don’t know u so why be embarrassed? I would prefer u feel embarrassed sending me a email then to simple ghost after I actively interviewed for a while poor business practice
I feel like there should penalties for employers and businesses wasting potential candidates time. I went for a administration role interview that I was confident I had got because I have long term experience in the Government. I was ghosted for 6 weeks! They finally got back to me to interview for another position but didn’t get any response on the first interview. I ghosted them back . It’s unbelievable what employers are putting job seekers through.
I was ghosted for 3 years, they got back to me, ghosted again for six months, reposted the job. Now Im in the whole hiring process again. I am that desperate.
The most aggregating thing ever. I had an employer who put me through 2 interviews, had me go through the background and drug screening, which I passed both. Waited for a date to start work. A week went by I finally went to them and asked if they had a start date, the HR manager looked at me and said, sorry but they hired a former employee back and gave him the position. Then told me they'll keep my app on file and if anything changes they'd call me. Needless to say I was beyond furious they not only wasted my time, but got my hopes up for a good paying job that I desperately needed at the time.
They found another candidate, that person is now in their trial period, so they keep you hanging on in case that hire doesn't work out. The job never existed, they were interviewing to extract valuable insights and information from you.
I got ghosted after going through two phone interviews and had been scheduled for a third one with the local office interviewer. On that day I made sure I had the day off work and waited by my phone and no one called. I waited about 30min and then tried to contact someone. No luck. Sent an email. Nothing. I immediately moved on because of how pissed I was for wasting my time. Guess they didn't need more help. A month later I got an email to fill out a survey on what I thought about the hiring process. I let them know exactly what I thought. They are still hiring.
Ghosting is very telling of the employers “culture”. I’ve also had employers reach out 5 months after the announcement close to say I was not selected with a recent Bachelors degree, in a Masters program with 20 years govt. experience. 😳👎🏻
No offense, Rosa, but as a retired service-member I'll tell you that an undergrad doesn't mean much in today's world. Master's and Doctoral degrees are what open doors and get you paid a decent salary. Just getting an interview with the VA is tough unless you are overqualified for your position.
@@DIVISIONINCISION thank you boomers and millennials for devaluing degrees so much that we all need to spend extra 10 years of life to not work at McDonald's
@@DIVISIONINCISION I disagree alot more jobs are looking for certified people with specific skill sets. Take myself for example I'm an automation engineer with a background in measurement technology. Alot of employers want certified or specific product brand training ( in my case in would be Emerson flow meters) I've seen my employer turn down very qualified and retrain able employees for lack of experience and training on this equipment.
Normally, I give them a few days; if I don't hear from them after a week, I move on. The world is filled with possibilities, no need to limit oneself to just one where the people perceive you as a disappointment. We can all do better.
I was a hiring manager in the Federal government; we had a very long and convoluted hiring process. It could take months to fill an opening. Candidates only got one interview and we told them at the end of the interview that they would not hear from us for weeks, maybe months. It was a terrible system and a lot of good candidates gave up on us.
I have been applying, passing and reapplying and repassing for this government position for this particular government work. They would just ghost me at the job offer stage and repost the opening. I think, at this point, I am the idiot. 😂 I heard government jobs are good but with the experience I’ve had with this job. Fuck government jobs. It’s disgusting.
Yeah that process puts the Agency at a disadvantage. It's a discredit to the faculty needing someone to fill the vacancy, the applicant that waiting on updates and to the staffers doing the assesions in the USAStaffing automated system. After months on end, another Agency would have came in with an official job offer letter.
I interviewed with a government contractor but I didn’t expect to hear from the recruiter in less than 2-3 weeks. The recruiter called me back after three days and told me that I was getting an offer. It turned out to be a great job with a good salary.
As a hiring manager I would always give applicants a X date that they would receive a call from me and tell them that if they didn't receive a call by then it was because we decided to move forward with somebody else. It was easier that way and I felt it didn't leave the applicant waiting for a contact. Better than not saying anything at all.
After being called for an interview and then being called back for a second interview, I was ghosted. Later, I found out that the job wasn't actually available. They were just going through the motions of interviewing and intended to hire the relative of an employee all along. I just wish they didn't waste my time and gas money.
That's why I'm always really grateful when an employer is just upfront with you. I'd obviously rather get an email that says that I got the interview or the job, but I MUCH prefer getting an email just saying that I didn't get the job than to just never get a response and be stuck in limbo. And it doesn't make any sense for the employer either to just leave people in the dark, which makes people spam your recruiting department with needless follow up emails that could have all been avoided if you would just tell them upfront that they didn't get the job.
Well first off, I wanna thank you. I am currently in the middle of orientation for a new job I recently got with the help of your videos and advice. Thank you! I also ghosted my old job AFTER putting in my 2 weeks. (Bad, I know.) It was my last week I didn’t show up for, but I felt as though the work environment was too toxic for me to exist in. Situations that were out of my control were somehow still pinned on me, along with passive bullying and high school type gossip. I’m just glad to be in a new workplace.
I don't even send "nudges" anymore. Not that it isn't a good thing to want to do, but it seems to me that every time I've done it, it has moved me from the "possibly hired" to the "definitely never hired" list.
That brings about an interesting point. It seems the process, questions you'd ask, the way you close an interest letter, etc. that you'd do today will be frowned upon tomorrow. For instance, calling an employer to follow up on an application you've just submitted used to be something employers loved to see, as it was interpreted as "interest." Now I can't think of a better way to not even get extended an interview.
I was offered a job once. Went in, has the interview, signed paperwork. I asked if I could have time to put in my two weeks notice and they said yes. I was hired into a company where I already had eight years of experience, and was hired as a lead machine operator. Thy asked me to give them a few days to decide if I should start immediately on 2nd shift or if they would rather have me start on 1st for a little bit. They said I'd hear back in a few days on when my shift would start. Several days pass. No call. I reach out and hear nothing. A week later I finally get HR to pick up. Apparently after my interview and after I signed the paperwork and after I put in my two weeks notice, they went with someone else. Their reasoning was that this other candidate lived closer (45 minutes for me, local for them) and that with winter on the horizon, they felt safer as a company with a local employee. They could have at least told me, instead of ignoring me. If that's how they run the show, I'm glad I was passed up. Much better off now anyways, making $78,000 as a supervisor in the same industry but another company.
I wouldve sued them. You already signed a legal contract to be employed and they just ghost you. What if you couldnt get your old job back? they would be putting a burden/hardship on you with a breach of contract. Companies need to be held liable.
@@obsoleteMAC I couldn't get my old job back. I asked to pull my notice, but they gave me the runaround saying it was already processed by HR and they'd have to hire me on as a "new employee" again. Bunch of BS, I think. I was clearly leaving for a reason, anyway.
@@unknownyoutuber2007 Exactly, completely petty and immature individuals in these companies and they wonder why there is no loyalty. Or why employees make high demands, especially when they have "at-will employment"
I was ghosted by an employer about 15 years ago - after 4 interviews and a ride along with another sales rep. It must have been fate, as I landed a job with my dream company shortly after.
Wow. This is super insightful. I appreciate it. I've been interviewing like crazy with multiple companies and of course I make it to the final rounds of interviews only to find that they ghosted me. It's been rough, but I guess that's just how Science is. Lots of toxic/chaotic work environments to navigate through.
Great video! I have been on both sides of the table and I must say, in this age of technology, it is not hard to automate a response to all candidates not hired, thanking them for the interview discussion and let them know, kindly, that another candidate was hired for the position. I am "old" enough to remember "thin" letters from the prospective employers that I wasn't selected and that they would keep my information "on-file" for 6 - 12 months if another opportunity becomes available. (BTW: We all know that it wouldn't, but at least it was a professional courtesy!). I agree with all your reasons why employers ghost candidates, but really, you can code and launch a MS Outlook macro to send all declined candidates an email once a candidate is hired! No wonder people are quitting jobs at an alarming rate!! Word of mouth and review sites like Glassdoor are very effective and far-reaching when evaluating a company's overall culture and practices toward hiring.
A couple of times I’ve been ghosted and they would come back a month or two later when I’ve already accepted another job. I simply hang up in their faces 🤷🏽♀️
applied for a reception job at a dialysis clinic. their recruiter emailed me and made himself sound super excited about my experience level and we set up a zoom interview. he didn't give me a link, he was just supposed to call me. i take time off my then-job and sit at my computer for an hour before i realize he's not calling. potential employees are just a joke to some of these people i swear, but it weeds out bad employers if they can't even be assed to hire competent staff.
I couldn’t tell you how many I’ve been ghosted. Although I once reached out to a manager past when they said they’d get back to me and a few days later. They emailed me “we’re very sorry this was a very tough decision and we went with someone else” and that’s all I want from some people!
Thank you, Brian. Personally, if years down the road I was contacted by one of these companies who ghosted me, and it was a different recruiter / different position, and even if they apologized and the recruiter guilty of ghosting is gone, I'd have no interest in working for them. Companies that can't be bothered to send me even a generic form letter as a courtesy - and respect my time in general, aren't going to treat their employees very well either. I truly worry that this behavior is becoming a destructive "norm". Before now, over the decades of my professional life, I had only ever interviewed twice and *not* gotten the job. Those times, I at least heard back from the company if I didn't get the position. Now, I've been ghosted 4 times over the past few months. Two of those, I was explicitly told that they were "moving me forward" and I'd be hearing back for the next step. I strongly urge you to continue addressing this issue from the recruiter side, because it's unprofessional and very destructive for the company.
I once was interviewed once and had to wait 2,5 months. They were busy, on vacation, looking for other candidates (not much good ones) and only then I got the job :) Since I was employed, did not care much. Was very good job for my career.
As a former recruiter, i had a notebook with candidates I personally interviewed and i did have hectic busy days every day interviewing 30+ a day. Even if i didnt reach back in 1-2 days I would in a week. It made my day hearing candidates appreciated my service.
I wish you were around in 2005 when I graduated with my A.A.S Degree in Comp Science. Ghosting is the worst thing a company and their recruiters do to candidates looking to get a job.
My Amazon story: their recruiter found me (!) and the job sounded like a really good fit. Made it through round 1, but when scheduling #2, they asked how I’m feeling about the job; I was honest and said that I was very excited, only speedbump is I’m just wrapping my brain around moving to Seattle (I’m in Florida). I had a house to sell and was wondering how that timing works; I wanted them to reassure me they’d work with me on relocation. Instead, she got defensive about me relocating, saying people move here from all over the world (sounding pretty arrogant like, what’s wrong with you? Don’t you know, we’re Amazon?!) I agreed to next steps, but never heard from her again .
This is very relevant for me right now. I would love to see you do a video about employers creating misleading/less than truthful job postings as well as that has gotten under my skin as of late 😅
Good video! I've been ghosted as a candidate. I'm also a Recruiter- many times the resumes go to the manager; the position may be canceled or postponed- many things happen. Sometimes I send out updates via e-mail and the candidates call me- I give them the info/ update and also ask if they're checking their e-mail. Most are not. Sometimes it's lazy on both sides. No excuses, processes can always be improved. I enjoyed your video.
They should give closure in a timely manner (no more than a week or two). We make the time to meet with them. Our time is also valuable, it's the LEAST they could do.
I once applied for a job where the recruiter asked me to meet them at a Bigby's Coffee for my interview. I went to the interview as planned, but the recruiter never even showed up and never called or emailed to explain why. I took it as a clear sign that they wouldn't have been a good employer and moved on quickly.
Companies have to have a certain amount of candidates whom they interview in order to meet EOE and affirmative action requirements...so, if you get ghosted, you may have been just a quota interview...this is very common when they already know whom they want for the job, but have to play the game of apearing to have met EOE standards...see it all the time with government jobs in particular...
Never thought of it that way. And it makes total sense. I work in immigration and one of the steps for permanent residency based on a specialized jobs, they employer HAS to have a job posting of the immigrant's job for a certain amount of time. That shows that they "tried" to get a U.S. citizen but couldn't find one that meets the requirements. Obviously if they were aggressive they may have been able to get someone, but a job posting is sufficient enough. So who knows if they interviewed for the position just to say they tried?
FINALLY someone with insider knowledge told us what actually goes on, since companies couldn't be bothered to do so. Thank you Brian. The info is very appreciated.
I have never ever EVER rec'd a "Thanks, but no thanks" phone call. They only ever call if you're hired. You have to call them. A lot. I think they want you to beg for a job. So they can treat you like shit, knowing you won't leave.
“Oooo, you want the job? Well, beg. And, mayyyyybe we’ll consider you. Now be a good simp, and send us a ‘thank you’ note for deigning to acknowledge your existence, however briefly.”
The way I see it, if a company ghosts me after a round or two of interviews, I don't want to work for them anyways. I follow up twice, no more. Then I get petty and leave a bad review on glass door to drown my sorrows 😂
I was interviewed by the territory supervisor, told it went very well, did a second phone interview, and told it went very well. They kept giving me the impression that they were going to make an offer, but they didn't. I was offered a position with a different company, so I asked them straight out if there was an offer, and they insisted that they would contact me within a few days, they were waiting on an HR person. The other company was willing to give me a few days, I never heard back from that first company. That says a lot about a company and the d-bag that should have just said I wasn't what they wanted. I've hired hundred of people in my career, I'd never leave someone hanging, potentially losing out on another job, when we were not going to hire them.
You should make a video to help those of us who are extremely shy, or antisocial. We have a hard time engaging socially. I also have ADHD on top of that, so i fidget and can't keep eye contact.
My rule of thumb: If things do not move quickly, you will not get the job. (due to many of the items mentioned in this video) Also, as a job seeker I would rather hear the truth (even the lukewarm / keep me on the backburner) than nothing at all. I wouldn't be offended and it's much better than being ghosted.
Even better would be the option to keep you on the backburner "We aren't sure right now, but would you like us to keep you in the loop for what happens? It could be a while". I'd rather a hard "no" than "welllll we will call you when the situation is right for us"
When employers ghost me that is a red flag right there. It shows me that they don't have things organized within their organization. Hiring is a process and everything in regards to the hiring process should already be planned and laid out in order for things to go smoothly.
I got ghosted and I know why. I had a good first interview and followed up. So he brought me in for a second interview and that usually means you got the job. But he brought me back in to humiliate me. It took me a couple of days to realize he’s good friends with a contractor who assaulted me. I did report it to Human Resources even though he was a contractor. He lost that job, then a few years later I found our he’s been cheating senior citizens. He built this giant concrete flume and the county said they would fine the community $10,000 per day. I came in and saved that community. The county assured me they turned him into the state. I would not want to work with anyone who’s his friend anyway. But now I’m not getting paid enough. I get food from a food bank. My job managing condos and hoas is extremely difficult. I enjoy it but I need to be paid what I’m worth.
Often employers will keep their back-up candidates in the que just in case their first choice doesn't work out and then ghost them if they don't need them anymore.
Thank you for the video. Ghosting happens all the time especially when you are an older candidate. When you "nudge" them politely on email, they ghost you again.
There is something like a 2% rule that you should get at least 2 interviews for every 100 applications. I have been getting tons of interviews lately and seconds and even thirds. Still got rejected by all except one so far. It hurts, especially when you know you are that good. I hope things work out for you.
But I thought the bullshit narrative was companies "are screaming for help" and will hire anyone with a pulse....LOL. I hear ya, I've applied to over 60 jobs, and heard back from 7 of them (5 rejections without interviews-overqualified maybe?). 2 interviews, of which one couldn't meet my salary requirements and the other company that I interviewed with gave me the standard line "decided to pursue other candidates that matches our qualifications". Keep trying, don't settle and don't listen to the trolls with all their stupid bullshit narratives. They don't live your life, or pay your bills. Do what's best for you.
107 applications? Those are rooking numbers, gotta get them up. I have a masters degree and 15yrs professional experience in a field where they cant find candidates: over 850 applications in past 7months. Thats pro league level. 99% automatic rejection bullshit emails or zero email or call at all. Thats reality for me
@@DarkoFitCoach that’s a little rude. 107 is good enough. Applying for jobs is depressing. It’s funny how things change though. I took a job 1.5 years ago after being laid off 11 months before. Yesterday I was prompted in said job. Recruiters phone me all the time. Other law firms blatantly make offers to me at training days. And yet 1.5 years ago I was no one. It’s just the magic of having a job. Once you both get that first job, the next will be 100x easier.
Took a day long interview once (yes, day long), and was ghosted after. I had the ultimate revenge when years later I found out the person they selected was indicted for embezzlement LOL!
I think another reason for ghosting candidates is to avoid discrimination. For example, a hiring manager might decipher that you are too old for what they are looking for. The recruiter gets that feedback from the hiring manager and decides to not send you an update hoping that you won't follow up.
Nah. "Thank you for your interest and the time you invested in our interview process. We regret to inform you that we've decided to move forward with other candidates that we feel better align to the role".
As a graphic designer I have been ghosted multiple times for the past 6 years after job interviews. The most irritating part is the requirement of sending the potential employer a few finished designs as tasks, which are considered as free labour! I do suspect most companies don’t actually hire, but gather info about candidates instead. These companies don’t need employees, they are in the great money laundering scheme of the 21st century. All jobs we seek are a facade, they don’t exist! It’s time to wake up…
These were some great points. I'd made it to my 2nd interview for an admin position at a marketing agency. I arrived and the recruiter hustled me out the door saying that they'd emailed me to reschedule the interview. I checked. It was 15 mins prior to the interview time while I was on the train there. A month later they called me back. I had already found out that I'd arrived at the same time as their preferred candidate(who had arrived very late) which is why they wanted me out of there. That same candidate couldn't cut it and they wanted to pick up where they left off with me. I'd really wanted that position but was glad that I'd seen behind the curtain beforehand. No thank you.
I just went to check out their Glassdoor interview reviews and saw a massive number of "I really liked the company...and they never contacted me or ignored my emails" only to receive copy and paste responses of "This is not the norm for our company". Obviously it is.
I've had a couple times when I've had a good interview (in my mind), the recruiter shows me around the department and introduces me to the current staff. Hands me their personal business card only to ghost me. Like, why go through all that? Lol!
Some companies require them to interview X number of potential candidates even if they already selected their #1 for the job. This practice pisses me off and happened to me. The management had already selected who they wanted but had to do interviews so they opened it up to internal applicants. I had to take leave time to interview. I had more experience in the role and a higher degree than the person they hired. No explanation given to me. I'm a teacher. These hiring practices are done all the time! Sometimes they want to save an "open" job for a sub who isn't qualified to have the job as a teacher. Dirty pool and no way to fight it.
@@happycook6737 That's lame! Had a similar experience at my job except the most senior internal applicant was getting no matter what. I declined going through the motions of the interview and all that and my supervisor have me a disingenuous "Just for the record: I think you would've been an awesome fit." 😑
@@koreypaul6698 That is the biggest thing these days and I absolutely hate it. I can't tell you how many jobs I have lost out to sudden internal candidate. Then the job is posted again not too long later because that person left or was terrible. Served them right. I wish the best for you.
See I don't really mind getting ghosted if I didn't get interviewed or anything. But if I have to go through the interview process and everything and then get ghosted, that's where I get annoyed. But there are other job opportunities elsewhere so it's not the biggest deal but it's still annoying lol
For a publically posted open position, the auto-reply mail message I receive thanking me for applying will often state that they'll be reviewing my application and will contact me if they think I'm a good fit. In that situation I have no problem with not being contacted. It's consistent with Bryan's opening remarks in the video.
@@brucelipsitz7545 yeah see that I don't mind but like I just hate wasting all the time I spent trying to interview lol. I don't mind "wasting" the time to apply, since you'll miss 100% of the shots you don't take.
This. - Don’t waste my time with three high-level interviews where I already have a full schedule but make time for you and then ghost. *puts contracted company on my personal blacklist* Done and Done. #BurnBridgesFiniteGame
I agree with the basis used where it only counts as ghosting after an interview. If you call someone in for an interview, then they deserve the right to be told "thanks, but no thanks." It does show the level of professionalism of the person who conducted or booked the interview on the company side.
100% agree. I don't need to hear back after an application and I don't mind if I don't hear back after a phone screen. Interviews are a different story.
A few months ago I had the experience of being led to believe that I was a very strong candidate for a position. The recruiter really liked me. The hiring manager was super stoked. Super quick turnaround to the 2nd interview and that seemed to go well. Was told that if I didnt hear anything to nudge the recruiter by X time. So X time comes, I nudge the recruiter and they get back to me super fast "oh, we're reviewing your status this afternoon and I'll have something for you tomorrow" Ok....tomorrow comes...nothing. I tried another nudge after a few days, no response. Just outright ghosted.
Literally dealing with this right now. Trying to get out of a small company and move into corporate, had two interviews for a dream position, was made to feel I rocked both. Second interview I was told it would be a week, its now been 4. The other one was an entry into sales, found out the company went through the recruiter company that recruited me, they wanted me but didnt want to pay the recruiter fees, so even though they called me back and had me interview several times they ghosted me shortly there after.
I got called to an interview one time and when I showed up, there was about 40 other candidates there all at the same time. In other words, we're not hiring. It's amazing how they can just waste people's time.
Ok three things. 1) this is yet the best video thumbnail in all of your videos 😜 2) thanks a lot for the insights. Didn’t even know “candidate experience” was a thing until watching it this. Having been ghosted in the past and being an active participant of recruitment and hiring processes for a while now, this at least will help me in understanding how improving the candidate experience going forward. 3) your content is grossly underrated ! Thanks a lot for it 🙏
It's so common that I always just assume I'll get ghosted from the get go, and I just keep moving forward with other applications and interviews. No time to sit on my hands and wait for them.
Bro you are rare, most recruiters I've worked with and companies I had dealings with would prefer lying and keeping me calling back indefinitely instead of giving me any definitive update.
Such a nice video, thanks! As for me, as an employer would ghost me, I would try once to be in contact with them again (by phone preferably), but if there is silence then, no thanks. Don't try too hard, it can be an indication of how that workplace 'works': do you want to work there? I don't think so.
Interviewers who state in their advertisement words to the effect of “If after applying you do not hear from us within three weeks, you should assume that your application has been unsuccessful” are actually declaring “We are an inefficient company and we do not treat people with common courtesy”. They’re actually admitting something negative about themselves in their own advertisement.
I went in a week after the interview for a follow up after I heard nothing from them. On my way in the parking lot, I saw the recruiter just walked into the office. When I walked in, the reception lied to me that he’s out for the day and that the position has been filled.
Been ghosted by a number of companies after taking time to attend an interview. These companies show who they really are, despicable places to work. No respect for candidates or employees. I will never give these companies my business. And I share my bad experiences about these companies often.
This very thing happened to me a couple months ago. I went through 3 phone interviews and 2 Zoom interviews. It's often a punch in the gut when you have gone so far and to hear nothing. Instead of spending a couple hours or so with the hiring manager where he was very excited to speak and interview you.
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Have you been the victim of ghosting before?
Yes and the worst thing is that happened to me while working on the organisation!! I had an interview for a higher position and they ghosted me!
I interviewed at a medical-software company in Calgary two years ago.
They had me give a 20-minute presentation on a highly technical topic that I had never seen before. Very stressful.
After that they ghosted me. The point of the interview was to get that presentation for free, instead of hiring someone to do it.
I won't get taken advantage of like that again.
Mostly the problem is hiring managers are ghosting, not recruiters.
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This just happened to me. A recruiter wanted to set up the second interview, set up a time and day, told me they would email me a link for a zoom type interview. This was after a phone interview. No link was sent, and the recruiter then reached out to me with a totally different job title.
They expect a "perfect candidate", but don't have the common decency to just be a professional adult and say "no thanks". It's really not that hard.
Exactly.
Happened to me a few yrs back. I called back got one of the assholes on the line and let her have it.
The abuse she took
For what her shitty 40k a yr job... loL
@@weeknders The world needs more people like you man. Knock em off their high horse and make them realize we are ALL struggling.
@@RedFlannelReviews
We need to stop being pussys.
Stop turning the other cheek.
Moral superiority is a bunch of horseshit.
Especially if you wasted 6 weeks on 8 interviews to be ghosted when you are over qualified.
The real worker revolt is coming. Not these coffee cup slingers with nose rings and purple hair.
@@weeknders This sounds like a movement I can get behind
In my experience by the time they call back, I already moved on to the competition. We can't wait forever to pay our bills.
That's common. They want you on their timetable.
Could not have said it better.
Yeah I agree with you, no one will wait for forever just for them to come back.
some employers are slow like tortoise and will take even over a month to complete the process
Yeah, I’d be curious what the data is on the percentage of candidates that say that they have moved on if/when they ever get an actual call versus template email.
@@DIVISIONINCISION which is crazy so we move on
Never wait for any potential employer. Until you have a signed contract, act as though you don't have any prospects. Tough luck to employers who don't act fast. They generated this mess.
Also, don't fool yourself that you are "safe" even with a signed contract. You might get fired the next day. Always be prospecting. You should have 1-2 interviews each month just to keep your skills up and you should constantly look on the market.
Indeed, Phil. Open market. I let employers know my situation and timetable. They can choose to adhere to it or lose out on hiring me.
Yep. I had an interview with a company almost a month ago. Their initial pay was a little low and they took forever so I kept interviewing with other companies. One of them gave me an offer which I accepted, then 2 days later the company i interviewed with weeks ago finally offered me except i used the lack of contact and my other offer to get them to raise my salary 6k a year.
Carrie Bradshaw said it best in an episode of “Sex and the City”. “In New York, a girl is always looking for a new job, a new apartment, and a new boyfriend.” Same principal applies to the job for both genders no matter where you are. And as for living arrangements and relationships? Well that’s up to you.
About 3 years ago I vented my frustration at one agency who failed to let me know if I got the job or not. They emailed saying that the hiring manager had left. Meanwhile I was trying to get over the 4 hours I put into the interviewing process. It was snowing heavily and I was still able to get there. We were given a test of role playing, left waiting for 40 minutes in the cafeteria and then being called to do the gruelling interview. I didn’t hear anything. Moved on. Did some temp jobs until I got the job I still have today.
I’ve been ghosted after the third interview. But 4 months later into my new job they called the schedule a final interview. I had so much fun telling them about my new job 😁
Loool I know that feeling! 😂😂😂
What was the 3rd interview about and who with?
Omg I wish I could’ve done that recently. That must feel amazing. Lol
the candidate the ended up hiring - didn't work out. It always works out.
Lol good one! Yes revenge in many shapes and forms are still best served cold!
Been ghosted so many times I'm expecting Dan Akroyd and Bill Murray to show up at my house 😭
Yeah right Lao
Im sorry but your comment is funny.
@@justice528hz3 haha don't worry dude it's meant to be funny 😁
Lol
Who you gonna call, Ghostbusters! I ain't afraid of no ghost!🎃👻👻
Ghosting is a tactic to demoralize your value. The best way to handle ghosting is by keep applying and maintaining your value because in reality is all about the cheap buck. I had times where I don't get any interviews, and I had times where I have a full week booked with interviews. Patience is a virtue. Somedays are good, somedays are bad.
Your value is only what they're willing to pay.
100% agree Luis!! You have to keep focused and keep going!
Exactly. Don't take it personally. Just keep sending out feelers. You'll get bites and you may get nothing. That's just how it works.
@@eljefemaximo5420 You sound like you lick the bosses ass a lot 😂 You also sound like you have low self esteem
"Ghosting is a tactic to demoralize your value."...Great point!
In business or in a personal relationship, this practice is not only ill-mannered but deplorable behavior.
@xraf32 a little bit bitter?
@xraf32 sounds like somebody is a Little jaded.
@xraf32 Sure. Because men never ghost anyone? Ghosting is done by humans in general and it IS ill mannered and deplorable.
It's also the standard
@@eljefemaximo5420 the standard is pretty low
it's messed up how THEY expect you as the potential employee to spend lots of time researching the company, writing specific cover letters for the company, and create specific resumes just for them but after all that, they don't have the courtesy to let you know you weren't chosen to move further. But when you do the same because you are mass applying to tons of jobs, they cry about you being lazy.
These companies should at least have generic rejection email so people aren't sitting there waiting for responses. Especially when we move on to other opportunities and then they decided weeks later that their first choice rejected them and they are calling you as a Plan B but you tell them you got another offer and they blame you for letting go of a good opportunity. SMH
Let them face their own mistakes. In a way it’s your revenge when you got offers and they’re too late. They’re the one who made mistake not you for not choosing you in the first place.
After interviewing with someone, how much time and trouble does it take to say "you didn't get the position, we went with another candidate we feel is a better fit, we wish you all the best in your job search, Sincerely XXX"?
Agree! A simple template email where the Manager fills in the blanks is better than zero follow up!
It takes the amount of time that you took to type that sentence yourself. And they are not willing to do even that.
At this point they should have a template all ready to go and all they have to do is prefill some stuff.
Yes indeed! They can send out the same response they send when they auto-reject your resume (for companies who actually do that).
"We're sorry, but we have decided to move forward with a candidate better suited for this opportunity". Translation: while you have spent considerable time learning how to customize your credentials and navigate ATS, you were unable to crack the code.
How about the put your application "on hold" but they never get back to you. And, in some cases the job is still advertised for a long time without filling that job.
After several rounds of interviews, I got the “when can you start and what salary?” Two weeks after my reply the job was re-posted word for word with a lower title. Needless to say, I feel incredibly sorry for their next employee… sorry *victim* who will be expected to do director level work at an entry level salary.
Wow that is insane. The salary expectation response you gave, does it align with the average market?
I saw this myself. They were dishonest about the work responsibility and didn't tell me until I had already started. Needless to say, I didn't stay there. They wanted to pay me a standard salary for a position requiring admin responsibility for a Hospital.
@@vooo1314 Depends on the field. Salary range is a baseline but for specialties like Medical which require a level of education/licensure need to be more specific.
Look at it as a blessing because if they won't pay you what you're worth and ghost you like that it's a garbage company to work for.
I applied for a job with a government entity, there was no description of the job duties and the only one year of experience. I later learned they had an internal candidate, but because they were a government entity they had to post the position. The interview wasn’t great, I learned I would drown in the position because I wouldn’t have much guidance and they learned almost nothing about me. Then they really tripped and fell on their faces, they told me in my rejection letter who they had hired! I knew someone who worked there and asked them to let the successful candidate know this had happened. My takeaway was that if you have an internal candidate make sure the posting is some pie in the sky job description so you don’t have to interview rubes. I really thought I was applying for an entry level position!
Out of about 20 companies I've applied to this year I'd say only 2-3 had what I would consider quality, professional internal recruiters that either automatically update you when your status changes or will respond when you nudge them. One actually scheduled a video meeting to tell me I had been rejected and give me feedback. I don't expect that level of courtesy, I know they're busy, but wow, that company is one I keep on my shortlist to regularly check for new job postings. If their recruiting team is that awesome, I can't imagine how great the rest of the company is.
Remember that a company’s reputation changes. It’s rarely for the better without a major transformation (like a new leadership), but it often goes down.
This video is the best yet. Giving allot of closure to dozens of no callbacks. The irritation is that the recruiter reaches out to me directly in the first place.
"The irritation is that the recruiter reaches out to me directly in the first place", external recruiters are the worse.
This happened to me recently, actually for a dream job.. He reached out to me. Him and the manager loved me and pushed it to the director... never set up an interview. 4 Weeks later I havent heard back.
That is their job. They're called "head hunters" for a reason.
Unless they tell me otherwise, I always assume that if I don’t hear back from the recruiter or company I interviewed with in 5-7 days it means I didn’t get the job. I simply move on and don’t think about it. No need to get upset over this. Trust me, if they’re interested in hiring you, they usually get back to you right away.
Same
@@ross4 Why? Sending emails to every single person interviewed can take hours in a day. It may not be a lot of time for one email, but a big company that gets dozens of applicants a day, they have to screen, interview, set up meeting times, etc, it all adds up. You can also be proactive and call and email them and if they're not answering, it's pretty obvious they don't intend to hire.
@@ross4 So what? That still requires someone to create it. Also you said it yourself "if they wanted to." If they don't want to they don't have to. Do you call/contact a company after you've interviewed with them to say you're not interested as well? No. Because _you don't have to._
I agree…I don’t wait around or assume anything anymore, no matter how well the interview went.
Exactly. Move from them before they finally get around to letting you know they moved on after months of false hope.
Ghosting is disrespectful (whether is from an employer or anyone else). Poor behavior.
as a rule, if I am ghosted (especially after a follow up email or call), I won't respond that the recruiter again and will delete and blocked them on Linkedin
Good idea!
Yep real easy way to fix blacklist the employers and recruiter's/head hunters that do this.
I did that recently. I had several conversations with a recruiter. He told me the hiring manager wanted to have a call with me but then ghosted me when I replied to find out when. I blocked him on LinkedIn.
Yup!
Frankly, any hiring manager who cannot follow through with every single candidate they interview should have their position reconsidered by their organization. Poor communication, indecisiveness, lack of organization, inconsistent follow through with tasks, etc. are all qualities of a poor employee, regardless of what position they hold.
@@ross4 Yep. Even a quick BCC'd email to all of the candidates they interviewed would do. So lazy and disrespectful.
If the hiring manager cannot make a quick call or email , it’s a red flag and unprofessional.
Absolutely. I completely understand not getting back to everyone who submitted an application, but if they take the time to interview you, I think they have a DUTY to get back to you within a week to say something, anything.
I recently got ghosted for a job application, due to them hiring someone else. As a customer of them, I found it highly unprofessional and seriously makes me question whether I want to continue doing business with them in the future.
Thank you for this video. It just boggles my mind why recruiters go through the trouble of interviewing someone, only to ghost them afterwards.
I think more businesses need to wake up and realise that many candidates are also potential clients, particularly in more B2C-type companies. Mistreating your customers is considered a bad move in any other situation.
Being ghosted is one thing. Continue to be ghosted after contacting the company for status is totally different and unacceptable.
No it's not. Is the inverse true for you? If you decide not to take an offer and you ghost them, should you be subjected to some penalty?
@@Kaboomboo You don’t make any sense. Ghosting a potential employee is very unprofessional. People have bills to pay and aren’t going to wait weeks on end for a response. A quick call or email is easy. The candidates have already made the time and effort to attend the interview. If employees are showing red flags in a interview, could you really trust them in the workplace ? I hate to be hired by you if you think it’s acceptable for employers to practice ghosting. You’re acting offended because candidates won’t accept unprofessional behaviour is crazy.
@@MelaniaRose Oh boo hoo with your bills. The company doesn't care about your time or bills. You are acting so entitled that the world and everyone else's time revolves around yours. It doesn't. If you're not getting a call back, and they're not taking your calls, what more evidence do you need? Oh and the whole candidates taking time and effort to attend the interview? Yeah, the company does that too. The people conducting the interview are also doing them on company time. Are you going to pay them for their time? No, because you don't have to. And they sure as heck don't owe you anything if they're not interested. You've got a lot to learn if you want to survive in the real world. I wouldn't hire your over emotional, entitled self anyway.
@@Kaboomboo
You have no idea how ignorant that comment is. This a terrible false equivalency because any company has myriads of candidates for any job they need filled, they aren't going to lose any sleep if one candidate blows them off. Get real.
Yet, they get offended when the hired person ghosts them on start day.
I did that simply because the company did not keep me in the loop in terms of who my boss was and what location I would be training at. I texted the point of contact, no response. I contacted corporate, no response. I send them a resignation letter the day I was supposed to start work simply because they gave me such a bad first impression as a new employee. HR was in a panic and tried to get me to change my mind. No Bueno.
@@DIVISIONINCISION - They dropped the ball. What kind of company was it? I am curious. I am sure H.R. apologized, but what explanation did they offer?
This happened to my former boss. We had a hired person that ghost our department on start day. My boss was so butt hurt that he overlooked other good candidates, just to try to get that hired person to reconsider.
@@thehawk5141 - Years ago I worked for a certain electronics retailer. New guy came to work and we ALL talked up the company and the potential, blah-blah. Even though we know it seldom lived up the hype. Guy left for lunch with a smile on his face and never came back, never called or returned a call. He knew the deal straight up.
@@tron3entertainment 😂
From a person that has worked for Amazon for years.... the decency of letting you know where you at in the recruiting process does not make up for the s*** they put most people through while working for them.
Give us some examples of what they do? Been job searching for a while and having a tough time so I was considering Amazon from time to time
@@jakebourns3628 they overwork employees and screw people who get injured on job from workers comp. Horrible work conditions where you're peeing in bottles to keep your items per minute up etc. Even workers not in the warehouse or delivery section are held to insane metrics. Everyone I know only lasts 3 months at best
@@sly9889 oof!!! Sounds like I just dodged a bullet😬 I’m blessed luckily I just received an offer from carmax as a sales consultant and I took the position. Was starting to get desperate and was considering taking the Amazon job cuz I knew I’d be able to get it. Thank you for the info!!
@@sly9889 I hear about the bottles thing and I'm still not believing it. A company as big as Amazon, with so many eyes on it, would have OSHA riding their butts if that were the case. I also haven't seen any evidence.
@@sly9889 wow sounds like my former health insurance call center job amazes me my friend has stayed on at Amazon as long as she has
I am currently ghosted! I was thinking for a long time that I have done something terribly wrong at the interview until I watched this video. Thank you so much. I cant describe in words how much it hurts my feelings, particularly after I put in so much effort in preparation and did best at the interview. I was so much interested in that position, because my experience and skills perfectly match to the job description and functions.
1:12 Ghosting in the interviewing process is *NOT* poor candidate experience. That's just poor and unprofessional behavior by the interviewer, any way you look at it. If the candidate, in any way, fails the interview, the interviewer needs to own the situation and either tell the candidate you're going with another candidate or you still have more people to interview. To just not say anything and leave someone up in the air, that's just a dick move by the interviewer.
Yeeep. exactly, all it takes is an email. Youre only communicating with people you actually interviewed. Not everyone that applied.
I think he means "poor candidate experience" as in "you, as the to be recruited person, have a shit time due to ghosting" as he alluded to Amazon with good candidate experience because they want to keep you a potential customer
@@ML-yn9yu IKR. Blind Carbon Copy has been a thing since the nineties and costs nothing, so there really is no excuse. It's just shoddy workmanship.
It's also the standard
Actually I went to an interview where they “had more people” quote on quote
But I had a feeling they didn’t like me for some reason
Absolutely no excuse for a company to ghost someone. It really says a lot about the leadership. (I agree that no response to an app isnt ghosting, only when they call you for an interview)
Ghosting after interviews was like 10% of why I left the teaching profession. It's an awful practice, and I hate people who do it. It's like they don't recognize that they're employed and the people they're ghosting may not be. You gotta learn you can't wait for these people.
I’ve been to so many interviews, and never heard back from these companies even after when I’ve left messages via e-mails, or phone messages to let me know the status of their decision of my hiring.
If they don’t have the common courtesy to give you an answer either way of your status, then F them.
Yes, dont get hung up on firms, HR who can not be professional, ethical. 1 recent job application firm turned me down but did not cite a specific reason.
Same for me no reply waste of time
To tell someone your the right person and we will call you. And none thing 🤷♀️🤷♀️
Move on. In fact, you should let them know up front what your time-table is. If they want you, they'll hire you.
That's the most deplorable. For me to reach back out the the HR person and perhaps even the hiring manager for followup only to be completely ignored.
according to my relatives (and boy, are they wrong) the candidate is supposed to call their interviewer and ask about the results...... to show we are serious about the job you applied. but when it comes to certain companies, it feels like their recruiters are spamming pre-paid SIMs and never use a company phone to arrange interviews. hell, when i got a job, i got the call from the same guy but with a diferent number
At the end of EVERY interview, I specifically ask them if they'll get back to me even if I don't get the job. Every single hiring manager has said "yes!" in some clearly understood form or another. However, they NEVER do. I'm not exaggerating here. They ALWAYS promise and they NEVER follow through on that promise.
Obviously, I want to be hired, but this isn't even about that. It's about employers showing the most basic level of decency and common courtesy to do what you said you would. People often respond here with, "Well, you dodged a bullet, who'd want to work in a place like that anyway?" I'd agree if this was an anomaly, but it's actually the norm, so it gets to a point where you either think that no company is worth working for (and there are those who promote that line of thinking) or you end up having to endure countless waves of dishonesty.
Let me be clear here: I'm not upset at not getting the job. My issue here is simply that if someone promises they'll do something, they should do it. If employers have no intention of ever getting back to candidates they've interviewed who don't make the cut, that's fine, but TELL ME. Don't act like you'll do something you'll never do.
Unfortunately, expecting people to be honest and keep to their word seems to be a hopeless endeavor, so at this point, I don't trust anything any hiring manager says because no hiring manager has ever given me reason to trust them. Some people would say that I shouldn't let bad experiences color my interactions, but at what point do I go from "keeping an open mind" to "acting like a naive fool" when I'm repeatedly lied to or misled?
If I'm ever head of a company, I would make it a requirement to treat all candidates with dignity and respect. This includes not ghosting anyone. Recruiters should at least send a copy and paste rejection message, that would be good enough. Candidates are already stressed out and feeling vulnerable. Ghosting is not only extremely rude, but makes the company look bad.
If they would send an automated rejection email I would be totally fine with that
Completely agree
No shit my thoughts exactly
Can't agree more
I had a recruiter reach out to me and got me all jazzed up for this job. So we scheduled an interview a few days later I was heading home to login to zoom and 5 min prior to the interview they cancelled on me... The recruiter said the company wants to focus on other another division and just re-assigned the recruiter that I was working with.
Fast forward a few days later I saw a job posting for that exact job so I figured I would apply. They told me they didn't want me...
a few days go by and then an internal recruiter reached out to me about that same job. I told them I wasn't interested lol
I block their email address if they ghost me. Especially if I have provided all my info, provided samples and a tailored resume, had a preliminary interview, and even done a work sample. I get it-sometimes it’s an error on the recruiter’s part, but that indicates a bad culture to me. Not interested.
On my previous interview I had to wait for 15 minutes in an empty Zoom meeting only to be called by HR telling me the manager misunderstood and waited for me to arrive in office.
Then, after we started he had his camera off and when I commented on it he said he's aware of it. Kinda regret I didn't shut down my camera as well. He had that vibe of being a jackass especially with questions like "so why is there a 6 months gap in your work history and why do you not have Ubuntu as your home pc OS?"
This is absolutely rampant among companies in smaller, regional markets. After the 10th time it happened to me in 2 months, I started sending feedback after my experience. If nobody says anything, it's not going to get better, and the search process will become even more soul crushing.
I’m at the point where when I apply to a job online, I expect to never hear back. If I do, I’m surprised.
He outright said in the video that not responding to an application is NOT ghosting. I personally don't have a problem with them not responding to an application. It's when they interview me, either in-person, remote via computer webcam, or via phone and then cut off all contact that I get annoyed.
Thanks for this. The worst thing is to ping a recruiter on status after what you *think* is an amazing interview with the hiring mgr, only to hear... nothing.
You give them your timeline and make it clear that if you don't hear back by that time, you'll be moving on with "your process". If you have other job offers, tell them that you aren't going to wait for them. They need to make a decision.
I've had a few interesting 'ghosting' situations. One, I was completing some preliminary computer skills tests after an initial interview for a basic admin type position. I did my tests which took about 20 minutes and was told the hiring manager would be notified when I was done.
I waited another 10 minutes, another 5, no manager. I opened up the door to the tiny office where the test was held and everyone was gone. It was a cubicle type area that was quite large - at least 50 desk spaces. All empty. It was probably lunch-ish time but EVERYONE was gone. I wandered around a bit but couldn't fine anyone. I left a post-it note on the desk of the person I had just interviewed with letting her know I was gone.
I went home and 3 hours later she called and apologized (land lines) and asked if I would like to come back and finish. The vibe of being abandoned was just strange and embarrassing so I declined to 'finish' the interview.
#2 was a multi-level interview process where everything seemed to be going well. I was on my 3rd group interview and things seemed to be positive. I was even showed 'my area' and left feeling good. I sent a 'thank you' letter and waited to be called back.
Then nothing, no call, email, letter. I didn't want to be a pest but I did send a quick email asking for status. Still nothing. I was disappointed but moved on and didn't bug anyone even though I really would have liked to have been hired.
9 months later I get a 'sorry we moved on with a different candidate' blah, blah, blah... 9 months. Enough time had passed that I didn't readily recognize the company name at first.
Nobody is perfect, but it really makes one wonder about the inner workings of some of these companies.
I am still stinging from a similar situation, though I have never had happen what you had in scenario 1. Wow! That is insane that no one was there to even take your materials. That's crap. Plus with number 2, which happened to me too, maybe we're better off not working at that place. They probably will treat us that poorly on a regular basis. I still think about it though, and it hurts. Good luck to you!
The notification after 9 months was probably an automated e-mail sent through Breezy or similar platform. They just closed the position and everyone involved got the same mail. Not that they actually recalled of your existence whatsoever.
@@WeWereEatingRotisserieChicken it was closed within a month after I applied. I checked the posting website showing the status. I think it was a glitch in their data system using one of those applications. I have experience with similar merge platforms and blame it on a third or fourth party getting involved . The letter was very generic and didn’t reference the position I applied for. Lack of attention to detail.
Yes! very similar experience for me regarding your multi interview process experience.
This is extremely insightful having recently been inexplicably ‘ghosted’ myself after a 3 month multi interview selection process...
Crazy why waste 3 months of someone’s life? And then not even send a message
The worst kind of ghosting.
@@taneshabland8686 So ultimately I followed up with the internal recruiter (who initiated the whole process) to then be told that the global head office in Geneva had done a strategic review / restructure and were no longer going ahead with the role. And they never bothered to tell me. This was after 5 positive interviews with senior execs, personality / cognitive testing, salary terms discussion, reference checks etc...I think they felt embarrassed and didn’t want to say anything...
@@peterwhitehead2453 yeah but they don’t know u so why be embarrassed? I would prefer u feel embarrassed sending me a email then to simple ghost after I actively interviewed for a while poor business practice
@@peterwhitehead2453 even less of an excuse. I'm sorry they wasted so much of your time.
I feel like there should penalties for employers and businesses wasting potential candidates time. I went for a administration role interview that I was confident I had got because I have long term experience in the Government. I was ghosted for 6 weeks! They finally got back to me to interview for another position but didn’t get any response on the first interview. I ghosted them back . It’s unbelievable what employers are putting job seekers through.
Absolutely agree with you
They have the money they write the check they have the power. You have nothing
Uh no, the public/consumer has the most power
I was ghosted for 3 years, they got back to me, ghosted again for six months, reposted the job. Now Im in the whole hiring process again. I am that desperate.
What I've been saying if any President ever makes this a law they have my respect
The most aggregating thing ever. I had an employer who put me through 2 interviews, had me go through the background and drug screening, which I passed both. Waited for a date to start work. A week went by I finally went to them and asked if they had a start date, the HR manager looked at me and said, sorry but they hired a former employee back and gave him the position. Then told me they'll keep my app on file and if anything changes they'd call me. Needless to say I was beyond furious they not only wasted my time, but got my hopes up for a good paying job that I desperately needed at the time.
@@Bluelinechevy82 That's So messed up!!! I would of gave them a piece of my mind since they ghosted me and wasted my time! I'm so sorry!!!
@@Gratitude1214 I did. I told them exactly what I thought.
They found another candidate, that person is now in their trial period, so they keep you hanging on in case that hire doesn't work out.
The job never existed, they were interviewing to extract valuable insights and information from you.
Oh yes especially the trawling for insights. Not a good look, and that particular company has been put on my don't bother list
I got ghosted after going through two phone interviews and had been scheduled for a third one with the local office interviewer. On that day I made sure I had the day off work and waited by my phone and no one called. I waited about 30min and then tried to contact someone. No luck. Sent an email. Nothing. I immediately moved on because of how pissed I was for wasting my time. Guess they didn't need more help. A month later I got an email to fill out a survey on what I thought about the hiring process. I let them know exactly what I thought. They are still hiring.
Sadly nothing will probably be done even after giving them your feedback.
Ghosting is very telling of the employers “culture”.
I’ve also had employers reach out 5 months after the announcement close to say I was not selected with a recent Bachelors degree, in a Masters program with 20 years govt. experience. 😳👎🏻
No offense, Rosa, but as a retired service-member I'll tell you that an undergrad doesn't mean much in today's world. Master's and Doctoral degrees are what open doors and get you paid a decent salary. Just getting an interview with the VA is tough unless you are overqualified for your position.
My worst was sending in a resume. Then they call back asking if I could come in for an interview.... 9 months after I applied.
@@DIVISIONINCISION thank you boomers and millennials for devaluing degrees so much that we all need to spend extra 10 years of life to not work at McDonald's
@@DIVISIONINCISION I disagree alot more jobs are looking for certified people with specific skill sets. Take myself for example I'm an automation engineer with a background in measurement technology. Alot of employers want certified or specific product brand training ( in my case in would be Emerson flow meters) I've seen my employer turn down very qualified and retrain able employees for lack of experience and training on this equipment.
@@DIVISIONINCISION um I have a master's and a bachelors and I had international experience before my Master's. Employers can not be bothered. Period.
Normally, I give them a few days; if I don't hear from them after a week, I move on. The world is filled with possibilities, no need to limit oneself to just one where the people perceive you as a disappointment. We can all do better.
I was a hiring manager in the Federal government; we had a very long and convoluted hiring process. It could take months to fill an opening. Candidates only got one interview and we told them at the end of the interview that they would not hear from us for weeks, maybe months. It was a terrible system and a lot of good candidates gave up on us.
At least you were honest with them. They had to have appreciated that at least.
That's horrible
I have been applying, passing and reapplying and repassing for this government position for this particular government work. They would just ghost me at the job offer stage and repost the opening. I think, at this point, I am the idiot. 😂 I heard government jobs are good but with the experience I’ve had with this job. Fuck government jobs. It’s disgusting.
Yeah that process puts the Agency at a disadvantage. It's a discredit to the faculty needing someone to fill the vacancy, the applicant that waiting on updates and to the staffers doing the assesions in the USAStaffing automated system. After months on end, another Agency would have came in with an official job offer letter.
I interviewed with a government contractor but I didn’t expect to hear from the recruiter in less than 2-3 weeks. The recruiter called me back after three days and told me that I was getting an offer. It turned out to be a great job with a good salary.
I've been rejected in over 30 interviews. Only on 2 occasions, they let me know that I was not selected.
That's horrible!
This is so common in nyc
Pathetic.
Not surprised. Recruiters that actually message you back are the exception, not the rule. And lets not talk about external recruiters.
@@ALifeAfterLayoff That's pretty standard to be fair. In the UK, you'll only hear from 1 in 20 companies after interviewing.
I feel ghosted or blacklisted sometimes by employers or recruiters,but after watching this understand a bit more,
which is why you look out for yourself.
As a hiring manager I would always give applicants a X date that they would receive a call from me and tell them that if they didn't receive a call by then it was because we decided to move forward with somebody else. It was easier that way and I felt it didn't leave the applicant waiting for a contact.
Better than not saying anything at all.
Exactly! Consistent with your expectations.
After being called for an interview and then being called back for a second interview, I was ghosted. Later, I found out that the job wasn't actually available. They were just going through the motions of interviewing and intended to hire the relative of an employee all along. I just wish they didn't waste my time and gas money.
That's why I'm always really grateful when an employer is just upfront with you. I'd obviously rather get an email that says that I got the interview or the job, but I MUCH prefer getting an email just saying that I didn't get the job than to just never get a response and be stuck in limbo. And it doesn't make any sense for the employer either to just leave people in the dark, which makes people spam your recruiting department with needless follow up emails that could have all been avoided if you would just tell them upfront that they didn't get the job.
Well first off, I wanna thank you. I am currently in the middle of orientation for a new job I recently got with the help of your videos and advice. Thank you!
I also ghosted my old job AFTER putting in my 2 weeks. (Bad, I know.) It was my last week I didn’t show up for, but I felt as though the work environment was too toxic for me to exist in. Situations that were out of my control were somehow still pinned on me, along with passive bullying and high school type gossip.
I’m just glad to be in a new workplace.
I don't even send "nudges" anymore. Not that it isn't a good thing to want to do, but it seems to me that every time I've done it, it has moved me from the "possibly hired" to the "definitely never hired" list.
That brings about an interesting point. It seems the process, questions you'd ask, the way you close an interest letter, etc. that you'd do today will be frowned upon tomorrow. For instance, calling an employer to follow up on an application you've just submitted used to be something employers loved to see, as it was interpreted as "interest." Now I can't think of a better way to not even get extended an interview.
I was offered a job once. Went in, has the interview, signed paperwork. I asked if I could have time to put in my two weeks notice and they said yes.
I was hired into a company where I already had eight years of experience, and was hired as a lead machine operator. Thy asked me to give them a few days to decide if I should start immediately on 2nd shift or if they would rather have me start on 1st for a little bit. They said I'd hear back in a few days on when my shift would start.
Several days pass. No call. I reach out and hear nothing.
A week later I finally get HR to pick up. Apparently after my interview and after I signed the paperwork and after I put in my two weeks notice, they went with someone else. Their reasoning was that this other candidate lived closer (45 minutes for me, local for them) and that with winter on the horizon, they felt safer as a company with a local employee.
They could have at least told me, instead of ignoring me. If that's how they run the show, I'm glad I was passed up. Much better off now anyways, making $78,000 as a supervisor in the same industry but another company.
Sorry, on my cellphone. Can't edit the typos.
Thanks, autocorrect.
I wouldve sued them. You already signed a legal contract to be employed and they just ghost you. What if you couldnt get your old job back? they would be putting a burden/hardship on you with a breach of contract. Companies need to be held liable.
Wow. That is just crazy. Real scum bags. They could have just told you. Glad you made out in the end with another job…
@@obsoleteMAC I couldn't get my old job back. I asked to pull my notice, but they gave me the runaround saying it was already processed by HR and they'd have to hire me on as a "new employee" again. Bunch of BS, I think. I was clearly leaving for a reason, anyway.
@@unknownyoutuber2007 Exactly, completely petty and immature individuals in these companies and they wonder why there is no loyalty. Or why employees make high demands, especially when they have "at-will employment"
I was ghosted by an employer about 15 years ago - after 4 interviews and a ride along with another sales rep. It must have been fate, as I landed a job with my dream company shortly after.
Wow. This is super insightful. I appreciate it. I've been interviewing like crazy with multiple companies and of course I make it to the final rounds of interviews only to find that they ghosted me. It's been rough, but I guess that's just how Science is. Lots of toxic/chaotic work environments to navigate through.
Great video! I have been on both sides of the table and I must say, in this age of technology, it is not hard to automate a response to all candidates not hired, thanking them for the interview discussion and let them know, kindly, that another candidate was hired for the position. I am "old" enough to remember "thin" letters from the prospective employers that I wasn't selected and that they would keep my information "on-file" for 6 - 12 months if another opportunity becomes available. (BTW: We all know that it wouldn't, but at least it was a professional courtesy!). I agree with all your reasons why employers ghost candidates, but really, you can code and launch a MS Outlook macro to send all declined candidates an email once a candidate is hired! No wonder people are quitting jobs at an alarming rate!! Word of mouth and review sites like Glassdoor are very effective and far-reaching when evaluating a company's overall culture and practices toward hiring.
A couple of times I’ve been ghosted and they would come back a month or two later when I’ve already accepted another job. I simply hang up in their faces 🤷🏽♀️
That had to be the best feeling lol
applied for a reception job at a dialysis clinic. their recruiter emailed me and made himself sound super excited about my experience level and we set up a zoom interview. he didn't give me a link, he was just supposed to call me. i take time off my then-job and sit at my computer for an hour before i realize he's not calling. potential employees are just a joke to some of these people i swear, but it weeds out bad employers if they can't even be assed to hire competent staff.
I couldn’t tell you how many I’ve been ghosted. Although I once reached out to a manager past when they said they’d get back to me and a few days later. They emailed me “we’re very sorry this was a very tough decision and we went with someone else” and that’s all I want from some people!
Thank you, Brian.
Personally, if years down the road I was contacted by one of these companies who ghosted me, and it was a different recruiter / different position, and even if they apologized and the recruiter guilty of ghosting is gone, I'd have no interest in working for them.
Companies that can't be bothered to send me even a generic form letter as a courtesy - and respect my time in general, aren't going to treat their employees very well either.
I truly worry that this behavior is becoming a destructive "norm".
Before now, over the decades of my professional life, I had only ever interviewed twice and *not* gotten the job.
Those times, I at least heard back from the company if I didn't get the position.
Now, I've been ghosted 4 times over the past few months.
Two of those, I was explicitly told that they were "moving me forward" and I'd be hearing back for the next step.
I strongly urge you to continue addressing this issue from the recruiter side, because it's unprofessional and very destructive for the company.
I once was interviewed once and had to wait 2,5 months. They were busy, on vacation, looking for other candidates (not much good ones) and only then I got the job :)
Since I was employed, did not care much. Was very good job for my career.
Great content. Just what I needed! A lesson on how recruiters actually think and what they do to applicants, like ghosting!
As a former recruiter, i had a notebook with candidates I personally interviewed and i did have hectic busy days every day interviewing 30+ a day. Even if i didnt reach back in 1-2 days I would in a week. It made my day hearing candidates appreciated my service.
I wish you were around in 2005 when I graduated with my A.A.S Degree in Comp Science. Ghosting is the worst thing a company and their recruiters do to candidates looking to get a job.
My Amazon story: their recruiter found me (!) and the job sounded like a really good fit. Made it through round 1, but when scheduling #2, they asked how I’m feeling about the job; I was honest and said that I was very excited, only speedbump is I’m just wrapping my brain around moving to Seattle (I’m in Florida). I had a house to sell and was wondering how that timing works; I wanted them to reassure me they’d work with me on relocation. Instead, she got defensive about me relocating, saying people move here from all over the world (sounding pretty arrogant like, what’s wrong with you? Don’t you know, we’re Amazon?!) I agreed to next steps, but never heard from her again .
Well, she definitely got dinged in her metrics. Not all recruiters are so good.
@@ALifeAfterLayoff DING! Lol
Arrogant company, arrogant city. We think we are the center of the know universe here.
You avoided Seattle. Be grateful.
I wouldn't move for Amazon unless they paid all moving expenses and had other perks in the contract. They are known for caring little about people...
Asked a recruiter for a follow up how things are going. He declared a family emergency and cut the chat.
This is very relevant for me right now. I would love to see you do a video about employers creating misleading/less than truthful job postings as well as that has gotten under my skin as of late 😅
Good video! I've been ghosted as a candidate. I'm also a Recruiter- many times the resumes go to the manager; the position may be canceled or postponed- many things happen. Sometimes I send out updates via e-mail and the candidates call me- I give them the info/ update and also ask if they're checking their e-mail. Most are not. Sometimes it's lazy on both sides. No excuses, processes can always be improved. I enjoyed your video.
They should give closure in a timely manner (no more than a week or two). We make the time to meet with them. Our time is also valuable, it's the LEAST they could do.
I once applied for a job where the recruiter asked me to meet them at a Bigby's Coffee for my interview. I went to the interview as planned, but the recruiter never even showed up and never called or emailed to explain why. I took it as a clear sign that they wouldn't have been a good employer and moved on quickly.
No office to meet you at?
Sorry that happened to you :(
Companies have to have a certain amount of candidates whom they interview in order to meet EOE and affirmative action requirements...so, if you get ghosted, you may have been just a quota interview...this is very common when they already know whom they want for the job, but have to play the game of apearing to have met EOE standards...see it all the time with government jobs in particular...
This just gave me something to think about. I have a disability myself and I often wonder if I was interviewed or hired to meet those requirements.
Exactly. This is usually the norm. They even create fake positions just to collect CVs and data.
Never thought of it that way. And it makes total sense. I work in immigration and one of the steps for permanent residency based on a specialized jobs, they employer HAS to have a job posting of the immigrant's job for a certain amount of time. That shows that they "tried" to get a U.S. citizen but couldn't find one that meets the requirements. Obviously if they were aggressive they may have been able to get someone, but a job posting is sufficient enough. So who knows if they interviewed for the position just to say they tried?
FINALLY someone with insider knowledge told us what actually goes on, since companies couldn't be bothered to do so. Thank you Brian. The info is very appreciated.
I have never ever EVER rec'd a "Thanks, but no thanks" phone call. They only ever call if you're hired. You have to call them. A lot. I think they want you to beg for a job. So they can treat you like shit, knowing you won't leave.
“Oooo, you want the job? Well, beg. And, mayyyyybe we’ll consider you. Now be a good simp, and send us a ‘thank you’ note for deigning to acknowledge your existence, however briefly.”
The way I see it, if a company ghosts me after a round or two of interviews, I don't want to work for them anyways. I follow up twice, no more. Then I get petty and leave a bad review on glass door to drown my sorrows 😂
I was interviewed by the territory supervisor, told it went very well, did a second phone interview, and told it went very well.
They kept giving me the impression that they were going to make an offer, but they didn't.
I was offered a position with a different company, so I asked them straight out if there was an offer, and they insisted that they would contact me within a few days, they were waiting on an HR person. The other company was willing to give me a few days, I never heard back from that first company. That says a lot about a company and the d-bag that should have just said I wasn't what they wanted.
I've hired hundred of people in my career, I'd never leave someone hanging, potentially losing out on another job, when we were not going to hire them.
You should make a video to help those of us who are extremely shy, or antisocial. We have a hard time engaging socially. I also have ADHD on top of that, so i fidget and can't keep eye contact.
My rule of thumb: If things do not move quickly, you will not get the job. (due to many of the items mentioned in this video)
Also, as a job seeker I would rather hear the truth (even the lukewarm / keep me on the backburner) than nothing at all. I wouldn't be offended and it's much better than being ghosted.
I've been saying the same thing. I find ghosting to be disrespectful to my time.
Even better would be the option to keep you on the backburner "We aren't sure right now, but would you like us to keep you in the loop for what happens? It could be a while". I'd rather a hard "no" than "welllll we will call you when the situation is right for us"
When employers ghost me that is a red flag right there. It shows me that they don't have things organized within their organization. Hiring is a process and everything in regards to the hiring process should already be planned and laid out in order for things to go smoothly.
I got ghosted and I know why. I had a good first interview and followed up. So he brought me in for a second interview and that usually means you got the job. But he brought me back in to humiliate me. It took me a couple of days to realize he’s good friends with a contractor who assaulted me. I did report it to Human Resources even though he was a contractor. He lost that job, then a few years later I found our he’s been cheating senior citizens. He built this giant concrete flume and the county said they would fine the community $10,000 per day. I came in and saved that community. The county assured me they turned him into the state. I would not want to work with anyone who’s his friend anyway. But now I’m not getting paid enough. I get food from a food bank. My job managing condos and hoas is extremely difficult. I enjoy it but I need to be paid what I’m worth.
Often employers will keep their back-up candidates in the que just in case their first choice doesn't work out and then ghost them if they don't need them anymore.
That makes me sick wtf is wrong with these companies?
Exactly why people don’t wanna work anymore. Starting a small business is my goal cause putting your life in these people’s hands is dangerous.
When this happens I have to move on. I need a pay check to psy bills and not play games if the hiring manager doesn’t know how to hire.
Thank you for the video. Ghosting happens all the time especially when you are an older candidate. When you "nudge" them politely on email, they ghost you again.
I have applied for 107 jobs this year.
9 have replied.
2 interviews. No replies.
There is something like a 2% rule that you should get at least 2 interviews for every 100 applications. I have been getting tons of interviews lately and seconds and even thirds. Still got rejected by all except one so far. It hurts, especially when you know you are that good. I hope things work out for you.
But I thought the bullshit narrative was companies "are screaming for help" and will hire anyone with a pulse....LOL. I hear ya, I've applied to over 60 jobs, and heard back from 7 of them (5 rejections without interviews-overqualified maybe?). 2 interviews, of which one couldn't meet my salary requirements and the other company that I interviewed with gave me the standard line "decided to pursue other candidates that matches our qualifications". Keep trying, don't settle and don't listen to the trolls with all their stupid bullshit narratives. They don't live your life, or pay your bills. Do what's best for you.
Woah, same for me dude.. but I applied to more i think.. tha world is fcvked up for sure
107 applications? Those are rooking numbers, gotta get them up.
I have a masters degree and 15yrs professional experience in a field where they cant find candidates: over 850 applications in past 7months. Thats pro league level.
99% automatic rejection bullshit emails or zero email or call at all.
Thats reality for me
@@DarkoFitCoach that’s a little rude. 107 is good enough. Applying for jobs is depressing. It’s funny how things change though. I took a job 1.5 years ago after being laid off 11 months before. Yesterday I was prompted in said job. Recruiters phone me all the time. Other law firms blatantly make offers to me at training days. And yet 1.5 years ago I was no one. It’s just the magic of having a job. Once you both get that first job, the next will be 100x easier.
Took a day long interview once (yes, day long), and was ghosted after. I had the ultimate revenge when years later I found out the person they selected was indicted for embezzlement LOL!
I think another reason for ghosting candidates is to avoid discrimination. For example, a hiring manager might decipher that you are too old for what they are looking for. The recruiter gets that feedback from the hiring manager and decides to not send you an update hoping that you won't follow up.
Nah. "Thank you for your interest and the time you invested in our interview process. We regret to inform you that we've decided to move forward with other candidates that we feel better align to the role".
Woahhh such great insight about this! Makes sense, and I had a hunch about these, but now it's more clear from you! Thanks!
As a graphic designer I have been ghosted multiple times for the past 6 years after job interviews. The most irritating part is the requirement of sending the potential employer a few finished designs as tasks, which are considered as free labour! I do suspect most companies don’t actually hire, but gather info about candidates instead. These companies don’t need employees, they are in the great money laundering scheme of the 21st century. All jobs we seek are a facade, they don’t exist! It’s time to wake up…
These were some great points. I'd made it to my 2nd interview for an admin position at a marketing agency. I arrived and the recruiter hustled me out the door saying that they'd emailed me to reschedule the interview. I checked. It was 15 mins prior to the interview time while I was on the train there.
A month later they called me back. I had already found out that I'd arrived at the same time as their preferred candidate(who had arrived very late) which is why they wanted me out of there. That same candidate couldn't cut it and they wanted to pick up where they left off with me. I'd really wanted that position but was glad that I'd seen behind the curtain beforehand. No thank you.
I just went to check out their Glassdoor interview reviews and saw a massive number of "I really liked the company...and they never contacted me or ignored my emails" only to receive copy and paste responses of "This is not the norm for our company". Obviously it is.
I've had a couple times when I've had a good interview (in my mind), the recruiter shows me around the department and introduces me to the current staff. Hands me their personal business card only to ghost me. Like, why go through all that? Lol!
Some companies require them to interview X number of potential candidates even if they already selected their #1 for the job. This practice pisses me off and happened to me. The management had already selected who they wanted but had to do interviews so they opened it up to internal applicants. I had to take leave time to interview. I had more experience in the role and a higher degree than the person they hired. No explanation given to me. I'm a teacher. These hiring practices are done all the time! Sometimes they want to save an "open" job for a sub who isn't qualified to have the job as a teacher. Dirty pool and no way to fight it.
@@happycook6737 That's lame! Had a similar experience at my job except the most senior internal applicant was getting no matter what. I declined going through the motions of the interview and all that and my supervisor have me a disingenuous "Just for the record: I think you would've been an awesome fit." 😑
@@koreypaul6698 That is the biggest thing these days and I absolutely hate it. I can't tell you how many jobs I have lost out to sudden internal candidate. Then the job is posted again not too long later because that person left or was terrible. Served them right. I wish the best for you.
That has happened to me a few times, why give someone a tour AND give them their business card, only to ghost them afterwards.
See I don't really mind getting ghosted if I didn't get interviewed or anything. But if I have to go through the interview process and everything and then get ghosted, that's where I get annoyed. But there are other job opportunities elsewhere so it's not the biggest deal but it's still annoying lol
For a publically posted open position, the auto-reply mail message I receive thanking me for applying will often state that they'll be reviewing my application and will contact me if they think I'm a good fit.
In that situation I have no problem with not being contacted. It's consistent with Bryan's opening remarks in the video.
@@brucelipsitz7545 yeah see that I don't mind but like I just hate wasting all the time I spent trying to interview lol. I don't mind "wasting" the time to apply, since you'll miss 100% of the shots you don't take.
This. - Don’t waste my time with three high-level interviews where I already have a full schedule but make time for you and then ghost. *puts contracted company on my personal blacklist* Done and Done. #BurnBridgesFiniteGame
I agree with the basis used where it only counts as ghosting after an interview. If you call someone in for an interview, then they deserve the right to be told "thanks, but no thanks." It does show the level of professionalism of the person who conducted or booked the interview on the company side.
100% agree. I don't need to hear back after an application and I don't mind if I don't hear back after a phone screen. Interviews are a different story.
When you get the education, further education, languages and experience but they can't bother to contact you for an interview.
A few months ago I had the experience of being led to believe that I was a very strong candidate for a position. The recruiter really liked me. The hiring manager was super stoked. Super quick turnaround to the 2nd interview and that seemed to go well. Was told that if I didnt hear anything to nudge the recruiter by X time. So X time comes, I nudge the recruiter and they get back to me super fast "oh, we're reviewing your status this afternoon and I'll have something for you tomorrow" Ok....tomorrow comes...nothing. I tried another nudge after a few days, no response. Just outright ghosted.
Literally dealing with this right now. Trying to get out of a small company and move into corporate, had two interviews for a dream position, was made to feel I rocked both. Second interview I was told it would be a week, its now been 4.
The other one was an entry into sales, found out the company went through the recruiter company that recruited me, they wanted me but didnt want to pay the recruiter fees, so even though they called me back and had me interview several times they ghosted me shortly there after.
So how did it go? You still waiting 6 months later?😂
I got called to an interview one time and when I showed up, there was about 40 other candidates there all at the same time. In other words, we're not hiring. It's amazing how they can just waste people's time.
Ok three things.
1) this is yet the best video thumbnail in all of your videos 😜
2) thanks a lot for the insights. Didn’t even know “candidate experience” was a thing until watching it this. Having been ghosted in the past and being an active participant of recruitment and hiring processes for a while now, this at least will help me in understanding how improving the candidate experience going forward.
3) your content is grossly underrated ! Thanks a lot for it 🙏
It's so common that I always just assume I'll get ghosted from the get go, and I just keep moving forward with other applications and interviews. No time to sit on my hands and wait for them.
Bro you are rare, most recruiters I've worked with and companies I had dealings with would prefer lying and keeping me calling back indefinitely instead of giving me any definitive update.
Such a nice video, thanks! As for me, as an employer would ghost me, I would try once to be in contact with them again (by phone preferably), but if there is silence then, no thanks. Don't try too hard, it can be an indication of how that workplace 'works': do you want to work there? I don't think so.
Exactly! Well said!
Interviewers who state in their advertisement words to the effect of “If after applying you do not hear from us within three weeks, you should assume that your application has been unsuccessful” are actually declaring “We are an inefficient company and we do not treat people with common courtesy”. They’re actually admitting something negative about themselves in their own advertisement.
I went in a week after the interview for a follow up after I heard nothing from them. On my way in the parking lot, I saw the recruiter just walked into the office. When I walked in, the reception lied to me that he’s out for the day and that the position has been filled.
Next time that happens, ignore the receptionist, barge past her and flip off the recruiter before leaving
Been ghosted by a number of companies after taking time to attend an interview.
These companies show who they really are, despicable places to work. No respect for candidates or employees.
I will never give these companies my business. And I share my bad experiences about these companies often.
This very thing happened to me a couple months ago. I went through 3 phone interviews and 2 Zoom interviews. It's often a punch in the gut when you have gone so far and to hear nothing. Instead of spending a couple hours or so with the hiring manager where he was very excited to speak and interview you.