Thanks Stephen, it's great to get comments from someone who was there. I know you visited the layout when we in Middlesboro, you're more than welcome to visit again in it's new home.
Hi Stephen, can I ask how the 9Fs turned at the Tyne Dock end once they dropped off the empties? Did they have to go back up to the Tyne dock shed in reverse to turn? I would assume another 9F would be ready and waiting at Tyne Dock bottom, but once again that would have descend the bank in reverse? I ask as I am currently constructing the Iron Ore Stage. Many Thanks Steve
@@tynedock I can't remember the source but I have these details for the process at Tyne Dock: Empty trains would terminate in Tyne Dock Bottom yard reception lines with the incoming locomotive immediately going to the shed. The guard’s brake van was removed by a pilot engine and placed on the van siding (or kip) at the entrance to the Bunkers line. An inspection of the wagons was carried out to ensure their suitability for the next loaded westbound trip. Defective wagons could be removed at this point. The locomotive for the westbound working would be attached at the inlet end of the reception sidings and would propel the train to the Bunkers line. The yard pilot could also carry out this function if necessary, but in no event were locomotives or brake vans allowed to travel under the loading bunkers.
Sulzer 2s- only one's used in later years were 5102-5111 with boilers removed and additional compressors fitted for opening and closing the wagon doors., some other Sulzer 2s were used at the beginning as singles but not a great success.
The Type 2 at the front of the train has had the 'Tyne Dock' conversion. To be honest we don't run them on the layout that often as it is set late 50s, very early 60s so a bit too early for the Type 2s. My own P4 version of the junction however will feature them, I have four of the SLW version so far, all of which are converted with the relevant mods.
Just a fantastic layout with very realistic looking track work. I just recently became aware of the 9F locos (still a British rail novice), but they are one of my favorites.
Double headed Claytons (Class 17) were tested on the Tyne Docker but obviously failed miserably, however, I've got a pic of a single Sulzer Type 2 (Class 24) hauling 9 hoppers banked by a pair of Claytons. That would make for an interesting train. Are they Dave Bradwell hoppers?
I’ve got a couple of photos of that, one approaching South Pelaw and another taken from the opposite direction after the train had entered the junction.
Question, when was the last time a 9F hauled a Tyne Dock ore train? And were there any other steam engines that were used ‘commonly’ on said trains when the 9F’s were unavailable
The last 9F hauled iron ore train ran on on 19 November 1966. Prior to the 9Fs, O1s and Q7s were used but they were limited to 8 wagons rather than the 9 that the 9Fs could handle.
Great vid but pedant comments :-) .. To my mind a type 4 never hauled an iron ore train but banked a 9f up until 1966 when the vigo route closed and the DH 24's took over are you saying it was done once only.. surprised it never slipped to a halt or blew up :-D . My other pedant comment is that upon commencement of the DH class 24 post 66 you have both the 24's and the returning 9F on the wrong section of track, surely the 24's should be on the left hand pair post 66 :-) great little layout though. very jealous.
Yes, the Type 4 (later Class 46) was used as the train loco only the once as a trial 28 September 1962, the type was never used again. Type 4s (later Class 40) were, of course, used as bankers from December 1964 onwards. Whilst it is true that the Vigo route was closed after the 9Fs stopped running, the 24s came in to use before the 9Fs stopped running so they were used on that route prior to their complete takeover in November 1966.
Out of curiosity, what are the brake van models you're using? They look great. I've got a Hornby R6508 for mine, but it's marked Western and doesn't have any lamps. I've not been able to find one that's ideal, unfortunately.
Forgive me if I am confused. This is an EM version of South Pelaw and you are building a P4 version of South Pelaw, or are my eyes playing tricks on me? I used to train spot in that location as a lad, as I lived a few miles away. I find your videos most enjoyable. Best, Jason.
There are two versions of South Pelaw. The one in this particular video is EM, based in the late 50s early 60s and was built by a group of modellers that I am part of. I'm building my own, solo, version of the same location in P4 set in the 70s - it was while doing research for my layout I found the group building the EM version.
Superb!! Very interesting. Thank you. I hadn't appreciated that, latterly, Consett was served from Redcar using PTAs. How was discharge undertaken at Consett? Was a rotary tippler facility constructed to replace the ore gantry?
Thanks for that Colin, much appreciated. Discharge was via a rotary tippler facility at Consett although as each wagon had to be unloaded in turn, it took far longer to unload the PTAs than it had the older wagons which could all be unloaded in seconds. My own version of South Pelaw will feature the PTAs with double headed Class 37s.
@@jdmodels1968 thank you. I saw the rotary tippler operations at Llanwern, Ravenscraig and Scunthorpe, but hadn't realised that Consett also had a rotary tippler. Interestingly, the original ore discharge gantry at Ravenscraig was converted to handle HAA coal wagon discharge, and a brand new rotary tippler (Ravenscraig No 4 yard) was constructed for the introduction of PTAs.
I was at Consett TOPS during the PTA era -the rotary tippler was unreliable to say the least.Once it broke down and an ore train had to be stabled in the High Yard. It rained heavily and guess what? - the wagons filled with water right up to the top. There's a thought for a wagon load!!
U have a great layout / But your comments re the seeming superiority of the Diesels (re the the Sulzerr Type 2 )is Flawed, a single 9 F CAN PUT OUT AN Average D.B.H.P 1,400-1,600, Also i have read articles by local trainspotters of the time who noticed poorer performances on these block ore trains when the Sulzer Type 2`s took over. However admittedly the ` Peaks ` are in a superior power class than a 9F, and iam not surprised by the results. P.s I am sure you will be aware that D 200/ Class 40 `s also hauled and banked these trains , but Less well known was a Trial /test train hauled by a Met- Vic Type 2 circa 1961
@@stevenweasel2678 I don't recall the video mentioning that the diesels were superior? Whilst the Class 40s did bank the iron ore trains, they never hauled them as they weren't fitted with the necessary air equipment to operate the wagons doors. Very interested in your comment on the MetVic Type 2 - I have thousands of photos, dozens of books and have read many articles on the line and I have never heard that mentioned at all. They did try Type 2 Claytons of which there are a number photos on the line but no mention of MetVic Type 2s... As for the steam generators, one of the layout team is keen to given them a try but I've never found them to be realistic, the 9Fs would release huge plumes of black smoke when leaving South Pelaw which the current generation of smoke generators are no where near to replicating.
As a ex Tyne dock Consett ore trains Guard this is brilliant as there's not many left who worked these trains.
Thanks Stephen, it's great to get comments from someone who was there. I know you visited the layout when we in Middlesboro, you're more than welcome to visit again in it's new home.
Hi Stephen, can I ask how the 9Fs turned at the Tyne Dock end once they dropped off the empties? Did they have to go back up to the Tyne dock shed in reverse to turn? I would assume another 9F would be ready and waiting at Tyne Dock bottom, but once again that would have descend the bank in reverse? I ask as I am currently constructing the Iron Ore Stage. Many Thanks Steve
@@tynedock I can't remember the source but I have these details for the process at Tyne Dock: Empty trains would terminate in Tyne Dock Bottom yard reception lines with the incoming locomotive immediately going to the shed. The guard’s brake van was removed by a pilot engine and placed on the van siding (or kip) at the entrance to the Bunkers line. An inspection of the wagons was carried out to ensure their suitability for the next loaded westbound trip. Defective wagons could be removed at this point. The locomotive for the westbound working would be attached at the inlet end of the reception sidings and would propel the train to the Bunkers line. The yard pilot could also carry out this function if necessary, but in no event were locomotives or brake vans allowed to travel under the loading bunkers.
@@jdmodels1968 Thanks again for the info. Unfortunately have come down with the old kung flu.. Doged it for 2 years, cheers
There are no greater words of praise to add reference the superb track layout, which exceeds everything I have ever seen before. It is fantastic!
Thank you.
Very interesting junction on the layout, watching the trains passing.
Thank you.
Fantastic layout, love the trackwork.
Thank you.
Super Smashing Magic. great video.enjoyed the various locos depicting the different stages of the trians used....cheer's Tony
Thanks Tony
Sulzer 2s- only one's used in later years were 5102-5111 with boilers removed and additional compressors fitted for opening and closing the wagon doors., some other Sulzer 2s were used at the beginning as singles but not a great success.
The Type 2 at the front of the train has had the 'Tyne Dock' conversion. To be honest we don't run them on the layout that often as it is set late 50s, very early 60s so a bit too early for the Type 2s. My own P4 version of the junction however will feature them, I have four of the SLW version so far, all of which are converted with the relevant mods.
Just a fantastic layout with very realistic looking track work. I just recently became aware of the 9F locos (still a British rail novice), but they are one of my favorites.
Thank you, much appreciated.
@@jdmodels1968 Here is my most recent acquisition: ua-cam.com/video/7x-GcDsnnjE/v-deo.html
Hi you have some mighty impressive trackwork there nicely blended into the surroundings & subtly weathered too.
Great video as well.
Just subbed.
Thank you, much appreciated.
Double headed Claytons (Class 17) were tested on the Tyne Docker but obviously failed miserably, however, I've got a pic of a single Sulzer Type 2 (Class 24) hauling 9 hoppers banked by a pair of Claytons.
That would make for an interesting train.
Are they Dave Bradwell hoppers?
I’ve got a couple of photos of that, one approaching South Pelaw and another taken from the opposite direction after the train had entered the junction.
Very impressive !!
Thank you.
Question, when was the last time a 9F hauled a Tyne Dock ore train? And were there any other steam engines that were used ‘commonly’ on said trains when the 9F’s were unavailable
The last 9F hauled iron ore train ran on on 19 November 1966. Prior to the 9Fs, O1s and Q7s were used but they were limited to 8 wagons rather than the 9 that the 9Fs could handle.
Great vid but pedant comments :-) .. To my mind a type 4 never hauled an iron ore train but banked a 9f up until 1966 when the vigo route closed and the DH 24's took over are you saying it was done once only.. surprised it never slipped to a halt or blew up :-D . My other pedant comment is that upon commencement of the DH class 24 post 66 you have both the 24's and the returning 9F on the wrong section of track, surely the 24's should be on the left hand pair post 66 :-) great little layout though. very jealous.
Yes, the Type 4 (later Class 46) was used as the train loco only the once as a trial 28 September 1962, the type was never used again. Type 4s (later Class 40) were, of course, used as bankers from December 1964 onwards. Whilst it is true that the Vigo route was closed after the 9Fs stopped running, the 24s came in to use before the 9Fs stopped running so they were used on that route prior to their complete takeover in November 1966.
Out of curiosity, what are the brake van models you're using? They look great.
I've got a Hornby R6508 for mine, but it's marked Western and doesn't have any lamps. I've not been able to find one that's ideal, unfortunately.
Brake vans are from Bachmann
Forgive me if I am confused. This is an EM version of South Pelaw and you are building a P4 version of South Pelaw, or are my eyes playing tricks on me? I used to train spot in that location as a lad, as I lived a few miles away. I find your videos most enjoyable. Best, Jason.
There are two versions of South Pelaw. The one in this particular video is EM, based in the late 50s early 60s and was built by a group of modellers that I am part of. I'm building my own, solo, version of the same location in P4 set in the 70s - it was while doing research for my layout I found the group building the EM version.
@@jdmodels1968 Thanks for the clarification. At least I am not going mad. 😂. Best, Jason.
Superb!! Very interesting. Thank you. I hadn't appreciated that, latterly, Consett was served from Redcar using PTAs. How was discharge undertaken at Consett? Was a rotary tippler facility constructed to replace the ore gantry?
Thanks for that Colin, much appreciated. Discharge was via a rotary tippler facility at Consett although as each wagon had to be unloaded in turn, it took far longer to unload the PTAs than it had the older wagons which could all be unloaded in seconds. My own version of South Pelaw will feature the PTAs with double headed Class 37s.
@@jdmodels1968 thank you. I saw the rotary tippler operations at Llanwern, Ravenscraig and Scunthorpe, but hadn't realised that Consett also had a rotary tippler. Interestingly, the original ore discharge gantry at Ravenscraig was converted to handle HAA coal wagon discharge, and a brand new rotary tippler (Ravenscraig No 4 yard) was constructed for the introduction of PTAs.
I was at Consett TOPS during the PTA era -the rotary tippler was unreliable to say the least.Once it broke down and an ore train had to be stabled in the High Yard. It rained heavily and guess what? - the wagons filled with water right up to the top. There's a thought for a wagon load!!
The music spoiled the video sorry.
hintergrundmusik wie immer-grauenhaft-thumbs down
U have a great layout / But your comments re the seeming superiority of the Diesels (re the the Sulzerr Type 2 )is Flawed, a single 9 F CAN PUT OUT AN Average D.B.H.P 1,400-1,600, Also i have read articles by local trainspotters of the time who noticed poorer performances on these block ore trains when the Sulzer Type 2`s took over.
However admittedly the ` Peaks ` are in a superior power class than a 9F, and iam not surprised by the results.
P.s I am sure you will be aware that D 200/ Class 40 `s also hauled and banked these trains , but Less well known was a Trial /test train hauled by a Met- Vic Type 2 circa 1961
P.S As said its a superb model , but just thinking is there any chance to fit a smoke generator to the steam locos ?
@@stevenweasel2678 I don't recall the video mentioning that the diesels were superior? Whilst the Class 40s did bank the iron ore trains, they never hauled them as they weren't fitted with the necessary air equipment to operate the wagons doors. Very interested in your comment on the MetVic Type 2 - I have thousands of photos, dozens of books and have read many articles on the line and I have never heard that mentioned at all. They did try Type 2 Claytons of which there are a number photos on the line but no mention of MetVic Type 2s... As for the steam generators, one of the layout team is keen to given them a try but I've never found them to be realistic, the 9Fs would release huge plumes of black smoke when leaving South Pelaw which the current generation of smoke generators are no where near to replicating.