I’ve settled on the 6.5 grendel. I think it pulls double duty on varmints and whitetail. I think the lack of support for the 6arc has really held it back. I would think it would be extremely popular if there was plenty of cheap ammo and brass available. The problem with 22 caliber is the competition is 223-5.56. Cheap ammo tons of options and handles varmints easily. I’ve heard some states don’t allow 22 cal for deer so people in those locations that want one cartridge for everything might choose 6 arc or 6.5 grendel. Hope it’s successful. Thx for the video. Happy hunting 👍
I understand but I'm going to try Barnes Vortex 70 grains 5.56mm first. They shoot well out of my 1 in 7 twist barrel and I don't see why that wouldn't be OK for whitetails and reasonable distances.
What everybody seems to ignore or pretend, otherwise is that the claimed velocity 3300 ft./s is from a 24 inch barrel. Now how many guys hunt with a 24 inch barrel in the air 15 platform most guys are going to hunt with 18 inch barrels or shoulder which will bring velocities down to about 3150 ft./s. I can do that with light Bullets in my six arc all day.
Come on man it will not even come close to rivaling the 22CM. The reason the 22ARC rivals the 22-250 is because of bullet design and barrel twist. So unless you custom make a fast twist 22-250 the 22ARC will rival a factory off the shelf 22-250 at and beyond 250 yards.
In addition to the 7” twist on a custom 22-250, wouldn’t you also need a different throat in the chamber to accommodate those incredibly high BC Hornady bullets. Otherwise, those bullets would need to be seated too deep in the case, correct?
I’m intrigued to build a light weight AR10 22 Creed. I don’t exactly know what a light weight AR10 feels like. Every AR10 I’ve picked up has been very heavy. But imagining a carbon fiber barrel would have to be used. Would like Aluminum-magnesium lower, upper, handguard but don’t know if anyone makes it.
I built an (M-5) AR10 on an Aero lower and upper. I used a BSF Carbon fiber barrel and a Smoke composites Carbon Fiber forearm. I would say this weighs about as much as my standard AR15 with an 18" .223 Wylde stainless barrel with aluminum forearm. With the front end of the rifle being lighter, it swings faster. I am very satistifed!
Ruger has a lightweight AR-10 platform with the SFAR, it's almost the same as the ar-15 but with a larger magwell. NFS what calibers they offer but u could always pick up a .308 rifle from them then build lightweight uppers in your desired caliber!!
The 22-250 is being sold in the AR 10 upper. It is produced by Bear Creek Arsenal. You can also order the complete weapon. Just thought I'd let you know.
Trying to decide 22 arc or 6arc in the New ruger American 2 when they come out after shot show i guess would love a 22creed but not any factory rifles in it
That's what I'm leaning to but my wife will make the ultimate decision it will be her deer rifle n that 22 arc with a 80gr eldm or x is pretty intriguing
just completed my 22CM 20 IN S/S barrel cases from peterson 69 gr’s from Sierra 75’s from hornady I’ve been doing a lot of testing various powders just ordered SW 4350 H-1000 gonna be a winner..grouping just over 1 inch!! at 100yds.. my eyes ain’t what they used to be..just turned 75..been reloading over 30 yrs! retired from truckin at 41yrs up & down the “supper slab” now i’m enjoying my retirement! “keep em the 10ring”!🇺🇸🦅💪💪💪💪👍👍😎
I think a more fair/legitimate/useful comparison would be 22 Arc vs other calibers that can fit and function (factory ammo) in an AR-15 magazine. Then, add in performance comparisons of similar use cases for varmint hunting, such as 22 hornet, 22 creedmor, 22-250, 22 nosler, and other cartridges geared towards varmint-sized game. Beyond that, reloaders would consider performance efficiency/cost efficiency/barrel life. 22 cal is nice because there is a lot of bullet options. If you hit a groundhog with a ~60gr bullet at 3300 fps it's going to be devastating. Do I think 22 ARC is going to be the go to new AR-15 chambering....No, purely based on historical success of new cartridges. Hornady is simply mainstreaming wildcatting and making it more accessible to the general population. On face value, I think it's pretty cool you can kinda squeek out 22-250 performance out of a AR-15 with only a barrel/upper swap. However, I believe the 6 ARC has trouble functioning from at least some, maybe most standard AR mags. That's a very valid strike against 6 ARC for me and I hope 22 ARC doesn't have the same issues. (I realize you can buy 6.5 Grendel mags and 6 ARC functions well in them). It's still a pain in the ass though. This are my initial thoughts on 22 ARC and it wasn't thoroughly researched. Sorry for the wall of text, but if you read it thanks.
I can push 70 grain Nosler bonded bullets to 3400 fps and 60 grain partitions to 3600 fps in my 22-250, 1 in 10" twist rifle. Not sure I see the advantage of the 22 ARC over the 22-250 for the bullet weights I use.
Yeah, you ain't doing that in an AR15. You are talking about a bolt gun. Ya'll are missing the point about what they are doing. It's about making the AR15 better and having more ammo for the fun, and as far as the weight, I see everyone using bipods or tripods varmint hunting.
Would think 22 Creedmoor would work on AR platform. Like AR-10 6.5 creedmoor. So all gotta do is change barrel for 6.5 creedmoor and swap it to 22 creedmoor barrel in AR-10
I agree. About do well in the AR platform. I probably still stick the the 6mm arc in the Ar platform and run 22 Creedmoor in a bolt gun. Thanks for watching and commenting.
This isn't about the 22 creedmore. The 22 arc and 6 arc is for the AR15 to be better in the AR15 platform 🤔. You and everyone else who's saying this trying to compare the 22 creedmore isn't paying attention to what Hornady is doing.
You obviously did not watch the video all the way where I talk about that the 22 arc for AR 15 platform. Also the 22 arc actually is very capable and a bull action too. But bottom line is the main thing is 22 Creedmoor verse 22 arc what one is better to shoot for varmint/coyotes the 22 Creedmoor wins.
@ReloadingQuest Yeah, I know, but it's the comparison of the 2 that is frustrating. If you want to shoot the AR15, it's awesome. The best thing is you can have both the Bolt gun and AR15, and that gives you options for a lot of things. Everyone keeps talking shit about the arc ammo like it's a waste, but both are way better than the 223 and 556. The one I'm really interested in is the 6max for the AR15. That's an awesome round because you keep the same bolt as the 556 just change the barrel and magazine. If that works out like it looks like it's going to, it's going to be the best thing ever for the AR15 !
@@MTCKIE68 I agree that it’s an under rated but that’s not what I was saying. It’s more just the two that were released this year. I have a lot of experience with both now. Also the 6max struggles with heavy 6mm bullet. The 6mm arc is my main coyote rifle in a ar platform so you wont hear me hate on the arc.
@@ReloadingQuest That's not what I'm seeing. The 6max is shooting 105 to 109 grains great in PRS with multiple shooters. I know of 2 here in NC now. And they love the 6max !
It’s the same case head so it’s same case just because it’s a little longer don’t mean it’s not based off it. Hence the ARC thanks for the comment. But also it’s a discussion. But keep the comments coming helps get me views 👍
@@johnathanreckrodt2937 I did watch it, look at what the published, it’s the same case head, but it’s okay thanks for the comments helps the channel out 👍 also maybe start your own channel so everyone can see all your knowledge. By the way. If the 22 arc can compete with the 22-250 then there no reason the 22arc can’t compete with the 22 Creedmoor. But you know is everything. Thanks agin 👍
@@ReloadingQuestdo you know how many cases have the same case head? Let me guess a 28 Nosler and a 270WSM are the same case because they are the same case head. 🤦🏻
@@ReloadingQuestalso the 22-250 can’t compete with the 22CM because of the twist rate. Dude do a little research. Also my comments don’t help your channel but thumbs down does though. 😂
LOL. You won't be able to fit enough powder in the 22 ARC case with it's restricted to mag length COAL to get it to 22 Creedmoor velocities. I've personally ran 88g ELD-M in the 22 Creedmoor to 3500fps. with zero pressure signs and still had plenty room in the case for more powder. I won't even go into the fact that 22 Creedmoor has a much higher SAAMI max average chamber pressure. Good luck with that...
@@ReloadingQuestbut under what load. The 6 arc has a small window concerning the gas system. I love the 6 Arc but it’s super temperamental. I’m hoping to 22arc isn’t.
@@projectcikala1943 that all depends on the bullet you run and loser. And buffer system and gas block. I only had one problem with cycling in my AR and it was the Vmax. They were accurate but didt cycle
Thanks for clearing up the question that I had, you broke it down to the level that makes sense
I’ve settled on the 6.5 grendel. I think it pulls double duty on varmints and whitetail. I think the lack of support for the 6arc has really held it back. I would think it would be extremely popular if there was plenty of cheap ammo and brass available. The problem with 22 caliber is the competition is 223-5.56. Cheap ammo tons of options and handles varmints easily. I’ve heard some states don’t allow 22 cal for deer so people in those locations that want one cartridge for everything might choose 6 arc or 6.5 grendel. Hope it’s successful. Thx for the video. Happy hunting 👍
The 22 creedmoor has more energy than 6.5 creedmoor.
I understand but I'm going to try Barnes Vortex 70 grains 5.56mm first. They shoot well out of my 1 in 7 twist barrel and I don't see why that wouldn't be OK for whitetails and reasonable distances.
What everybody seems to ignore or pretend, otherwise is that the claimed velocity 3300 ft./s is from a 24 inch barrel. Now how many guys hunt with a 24 inch barrel in the air 15 platform most guys are going to hunt with 18 inch barrels or shoulder which will bring velocities down to about 3150 ft./s. I can do that with light Bullets in my six arc all day.
Excellent summation. 2 diff platforms. That's the decision to sus out. Thank you
Thanks for watching and commenting 👍
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Come on man it will not even come close to rivaling the 22CM. The reason the 22ARC rivals the 22-250 is because of bullet design and barrel twist. So unless you custom make a fast twist 22-250 the 22ARC will rival a factory off the shelf 22-250 at and beyond 250 yards.
Thanks for the comment 👍
In addition to the 7” twist on a custom 22-250, wouldn’t you also need a different throat in the chamber to accommodate those incredibly high BC Hornady bullets. Otherwise, those bullets would need to be seated too deep in the case, correct?
I’m intrigued to build a light weight AR10 22 Creed. I don’t exactly know what a light weight AR10 feels like. Every AR10 I’ve picked up has been very heavy. But imagining a carbon fiber barrel would have to be used. Would like Aluminum-magnesium lower, upper, handguard but don’t know if anyone makes it.
Yeah I probably stick with a bolt gun but I know what you mean. A ar10 be fun though. Or on a m1a1 platform. Thanks for watching and commenting
I built an (M-5) AR10 on an Aero lower and upper. I used a BSF Carbon fiber barrel and a Smoke composites Carbon Fiber forearm. I would say this weighs about as much as my standard AR15 with an 18" .223 Wylde stainless barrel with aluminum forearm. With the front end of the rifle being lighter, it swings faster. I am very satistifed!
Ruger has a lightweight AR-10 platform with the SFAR, it's almost the same as the ar-15 but with a larger magwell. NFS what calibers they offer but u could always pick up a .308 rifle from them then build lightweight uppers in your desired caliber!!
The 22-250 is being sold in the AR 10 upper. It is produced by Bear Creek Arsenal. You can also order the complete weapon. Just thought I'd let you know.
Yeah those uppers from what I have herd have feeding issues
I wouldn't waste my time with that or anything Bear Creek makes.
It is too good to be true to claim the same projectile in ARC case would match a 22-250 case
It will be interesting ones can get and test them. Because I guess the bc on the new bullet is supper impressive
Trying to decide 22 arc or 6arc in the New ruger American 2 when they come out after shot show i guess would love a 22creed but not any factory rifles in it
I would go with 6mm arc if I was you.
That's what I'm leaning to but my wife will make the ultimate decision it will be her deer rifle n that 22 arc with a 80gr eldm or x is pretty intriguing
Do u reload? Load lighter projectiles in the arc. If not they have a new 80 grain out for the arc. My 6 with 75 grain vmax have very little recoil.
Does it use the Grendel case , could I get a barrel for my Grendel and turn it into 22 arc?
yes
22 creed AR 10 . Win/win
just completed my 22CM 20 IN S/S barrel cases from peterson 69 gr’s from Sierra 75’s from hornady I’ve been doing a lot of testing various powders just ordered SW 4350 H-1000 gonna be a winner..grouping just over 1 inch!! at 100yds.. my eyes ain’t what they used to be..just turned 75..been reloading over 30 yrs! retired from truckin at 41yrs up & down the “supper slab” now i’m enjoying my retirement! “keep em the 10ring”!🇺🇸🦅💪💪💪💪👍👍😎
I think a more fair/legitimate/useful comparison would be 22 Arc vs other calibers that can fit and function (factory ammo) in an AR-15 magazine. Then, add in performance comparisons of similar use cases for varmint hunting, such as 22 hornet, 22 creedmor, 22-250, 22 nosler, and other cartridges geared towards varmint-sized game.
Beyond that, reloaders would consider performance efficiency/cost efficiency/barrel life. 22 cal is nice because there is a lot of bullet options.
If you hit a groundhog with a ~60gr bullet at 3300 fps it's going to be devastating.
Do I think 22 ARC is going to be the go to new AR-15 chambering....No, purely based on historical success of new cartridges. Hornady is simply mainstreaming wildcatting and making it more accessible to the general population.
On face value, I think it's pretty cool you can kinda squeek out 22-250 performance out of a AR-15 with only a barrel/upper swap. However, I believe the 6 ARC has trouble functioning from at least some, maybe most standard AR mags. That's a very valid strike against 6 ARC for me and I hope 22 ARC doesn't have the same issues. (I realize you can buy 6.5 Grendel mags and 6 ARC functions well in them). It's still a pain in the ass though.
This are my initial thoughts on 22 ARC and it wasn't thoroughly researched. Sorry for the wall of text, but if you read it thanks.
I can push 70 grain Nosler bonded bullets to 3400 fps and 60 grain partitions to 3600 fps in my 22-250, 1 in 10" twist rifle. Not sure I see the advantage of the 22 ARC over the 22-250 for the bullet weights I use.
I'm surprised their using such a fast twist with light bullets. Must be using pretty thick jackets. A 1-7 in .22-250 would probably fly apart.
Yeah, you ain't doing that in an AR15.
You are talking about a bolt gun.
Ya'll are missing the point about what they are doing.
It's about making the AR15 better and having more ammo for the fun, and as far as the weight, I see everyone using bipods or tripods varmint hunting.
Would think 22 Creedmoor would work on AR platform. Like AR-10 6.5 creedmoor. So all gotta do is change barrel for
6.5 creedmoor and swap it to 22 creedmoor barrel in AR-10
Yeah it will function. No problem in a AR10. Easy swap 👍
Well by the time you get ammo for the 22arc or the brass it will be forgotten 🤔😟
Already got it 👍 now just waiting on barrel
@@ReloadingQuest doesn't do me any good you must be one of the lucky ones.
All about who you know
Dont they both fit in AR platforms just ones a 10 n the other a 15
Correct. Ar10 ar just a natural heavier platform
The whole purpose of the 22 arc was to appeal the the ar platform shooters. It will do well
I agree. About do well in the AR platform. I probably still stick the the 6mm arc in the Ar platform and run 22 Creedmoor in a bolt gun. Thanks for watching and commenting.
Just a 6.5 creedmoor with 95 grain bullets
Nope because you can’t shoot a 95 gr haha plus it’s a lot smaller lol 😂 it really excels between the 65 grain and 80 grain bullet.
When is better? They're not even in the same ballpark.
That’s the whole point of the video.
This isn't about the 22 creedmore.
The 22 arc and 6 arc is for the AR15 to be better in the AR15 platform 🤔.
You and everyone else who's saying this trying to compare the 22 creedmore isn't paying attention to what Hornady is doing.
You obviously did not watch the video all the way where I talk about that the 22 arc for AR 15 platform. Also the 22 arc actually is very capable and a bull action too. But bottom line is the main thing is 22 Creedmoor verse 22 arc what one is better to shoot for varmint/coyotes the 22 Creedmoor wins.
@ReloadingQuest
Yeah, I know, but it's the comparison of the 2 that is frustrating.
If you want to shoot the AR15, it's awesome. The best thing is you can have both the Bolt gun and AR15, and that gives you options for a lot of things.
Everyone keeps talking shit about the arc ammo like it's a waste, but both are way better than the 223 and 556.
The one I'm really interested in is the 6max for the AR15.
That's an awesome round because you keep the same bolt as the 556 just change the barrel and magazine.
If that works out like it looks like it's going to, it's going to be the best thing ever for the AR15 !
@@MTCKIE68 I agree that it’s an under rated but that’s not what I was saying. It’s more just the two that were released this year. I have a lot of experience with both now.
Also the 6max struggles with heavy 6mm bullet.
The 6mm arc is my main coyote rifle in a ar platform so you wont hear me hate on the arc.
@@ReloadingQuest
That's not what I'm seeing. The 6max is shooting 105 to 109 grains great in PRS with multiple shooters.
I know of 2 here in NC now. And they love the 6max !
@@MTCKIE68 I guess we will see.
It’s also not the same case as the 6ARC. The 22ARC is a longer case. At least do the research before making your videos
It’s the same case head so it’s same case just because it’s a little longer don’t mean it’s not based off it. Hence the ARC thanks for the comment. But also it’s a discussion. But keep the comments coming helps get me views 👍
You apparently didn’t watch the Hornady podcast they themselves said it’s not the same case. But what do they know. They just designed it.
@@johnathanreckrodt2937 I did watch it, look at what the published, it’s the same case head, but it’s okay thanks for the comments helps the channel out 👍 also maybe start your own channel so everyone can see all your knowledge. By the way. If the 22 arc can compete with the 22-250 then there no reason the 22arc can’t compete with the 22 Creedmoor. But you know is everything. Thanks agin 👍
@@ReloadingQuestdo you know how many cases have the same case head? Let me guess a 28 Nosler and a 270WSM are the same case because they are the same case head. 🤦🏻
@@ReloadingQuestalso the 22-250 can’t compete with the 22CM because of the twist rate. Dude do a little research. Also my comments don’t help your channel but thumbs down does though. 😂
22 ARC will kill the 22 CM
How so?
Never more powder most the time wins out
LOL. You won't be able to fit enough powder in the 22 ARC case with it's restricted to mag length COAL to get it to 22 Creedmoor velocities. I've personally ran 88g ELD-M in the 22 Creedmoor to 3500fps. with zero pressure signs and still had plenty room in the case for more powder. I won't even go into the fact that 22 Creedmoor has a much higher SAAMI max average chamber pressure. Good luck with that...
@@6n518 what powders you use to get that 3500......22 creeddontneedmore
22 CM THE ARC FEEDING SUCKS
My 6mm ARC has no problems feeding. But that’s not the 22 arc so I can’t speak to that. But I agree. I will stay with 22 Creedmoor
@@ReloadingQuestbut under what load. The 6 arc has a small window concerning the gas system. I love the 6 Arc but it’s super temperamental. I’m hoping to 22arc isn’t.
@@projectcikala1943 that all depends on the bullet you run and loser. And buffer system and gas block. I only had one problem with cycling in my AR and it was the Vmax. They were accurate but didt cycle