Eps 382: Light-for-Caliber Bullets in 308 and 6.5 CM
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For 44 years I’ve had the good fortune to photograph and write about my passion - the outdoor life. Wild creatures and wild places have always stirred me - from the first flushing pheasant that frightened me out of my socks in grandpa’s cornfield to the last whitetail that dismissed me with a wag of its tail. In my attempts to connect with this natural wonder, to become an integral part of our ecosystem and capture a bit of its mystery, I’ve photographed, hiked, hunted, birded, and fished across much of this planet. I've seen the beauty that everyone should see, survived adventures that everyone should experience. I may not have climbed the highest mountains, canoed the wildest rivers, caught the largest fish or shot the biggest bucks, but I’ve tried. Perhaps you have, too. And that’s the essential thing. Being out there, an active participant in our outdoor world.
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I dont understand why people hate on ron, hes such a nice guy who just has a passion for hunting and ballastics and everything outdoors. He has a wonderful report with his listeners and actually listens to his community. It makes me sad when people go at ron for no reason as im worried he will get fed up and quit doing these.
My sentiments exactly
Some people just got to hate, I suppose.
Good ol Ron Spomer 👑 in Arkansas we all love mr. Webster dictionary of hunting! Keep em comin!!!!!!!!!!
Some people are just miserable and make themselves feel better by looking for something to complain about.
He's a plain spoken honest man and some people just don't like that I guess.
Ron, You're one of the smartest and kindest men around. Don't mind those who criticize you. Their ignorance is only surpassed by their outright stupidity. Yes, anonymous unwashed contributors there is a difference.
His article on the 30 Whelen is what made me understand the genius
Every time I watch Rons videos I put hearing protection on my .308 so it can't hear Ron and feel offended...except this video, my rifle and I shared popcorn and gave it a thumbs up! Keep the content coming Ron we greatly appreciate you.
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What a wonderful story about a dad to end the show. Thanks Ron for everything you do. You help make my life better with your stories and education. ❤
Thank you Porsche
The Australian channel you mentioned is Mark and Sam after work, and like you said, they do very impressive long distance shooting.
243 is a great starter rifle. It can do most anything.
Mark and Sam after work are the Australian site that does the long range shooting. They shoot all kinds of calibers from 22lr to 50bmg and everything in between. Excellent information about long range shooting!
When a bear is charging you no you won't care about the cost of the ammo or even think about it but when you go out to practice with your 45-70(or whatever)to make sure you can hit a charging bear you will think about and worry about how much they cost.The cost might even cause you to not practice as much as you should.Love your show and everything you do Ron,thanks!
Love your channels mr ron thank you and your wife for putting out such good content
Thanks redbeard!
Don’t have anything to add, just wanted to leave a comment to keep the algorithm updated
Ron, your free information, passion for the outdoors and all the time you put into it. I thank you, I like all firearms old to new all calibers. Some guns I have are sentimental handed down to me. Iv not been on as many hunts as you I’m 32 years old but I’v been hunting from the time I was 8 years old. My brothers and father thought me the basics. Most of my skills are from what I’v seen and learned as I call practical experience. I will listen to any information anyone has to give even better if it’s free! I just wanted to really thank you for all you do! I watch every one of your videos and always give ya a thumbs up. This is coming from a 308 lover lol don’t hold it against me best of wishes and luck to you always!
You keep rocking that 308 Win, youngguns!
20:35 That was Bella Twin, near Slave Lake, Alberta, Canada, in 1953. It was a .22 Long. Cheers!
It’s a proven fact, speed kills.
This past Saturday, I did my first ever hand loading. Starline brass, 49.2 grains varget, Remington 9.5 large primers, 130 grain 308 ttsx. Out of my 16” sig cross I got an average of 2965fps.
I’ve done most of my whitetail hunting with the 270 and to my knowledge, with 24” barrel those 130 grains are flirting with 3000psi. So I’m essentially getting the same performance but with a modular, compact, aesthetically pleasing, and suppressed rifle
Doing a great job Ron, love listening from over here in England UK. Very different hunting scenes, but we are all still learning.
Just a few words to say "Thank You" for putting out these videos. I have tried to read every gun writer's article and book I've ever been able to get my hands on, and having videos greatly improves spreading the knowledge.
Thank you Glenn.
My favorite cartridge for deer here in the Alabama woods where I hunt most of the time, is the one you love to hate on... the .308, but I do have a trusty .270 for a few places I do occasionally hunt on our property that offers some 300+ yard shots. Both are Savage Axis XP rifles and very dependable and accurate, I am still shooting both with the Bushnell Banner Scopes that came with the guns! Bought both of them at the same time and gave less than $800 for both! Love the videos, thanks for the valuable information and time you invest to put these out there!
Thanks for another interesting and educational video
Some really good info in this one.Great hearing some feedback from Ron’s better half👍
At the risk of sounding like a broken record, copper is less dense than lead, so like Ron mentioned, a 130 grain copper bullet will be close in size to a 150.grain cup and core. The copper bullet will likely penetrate better as well. As a rough rule of thumb, multiply the weight of a copper bullet by 1.15 to get an idea of the comparably-sized cup and core.
Ron it’s very seldom I’m disagree with you on something but I’ve got a really light ar10 chambered in 308 with a 20 rd mag and 16” barrel it’s got a great muzzle break and very low recoil although it’s very loud and though I would always want a large revolver in bear country also I would rather my ar 10 with 20 rds of 168 or 180s
Over a lever action in 45-70 and 6-8 rds that I have to crank the lever on
Anyway love your content and and consider you a great wealth of knowledge on everything
You and other AR fans are slowly convincing me, Paully. Thanks for the insight.
I've been considering my next hunting rifle for some time now, mainly for Missouri Whitetails. I've been slowly gravitating to the 308 for a handful of reasons. Having been around long enough to see multiple ammo shortages, I like something that is plentiful and affordable so that I can stock up ahead of time. The 308 is the king of centerfires when it comes to ammo price and availability.
While I know that there are definitely other cartridges that can easily top it in performance, I think the effectiveness we know that copper bullets bring to the table has changed things a bit. A 130 TTSX at well over 3000fps realistically does what most folks need for any non dangerous game at reasonable ranges, say inside of 400 yards.
I think some of the detractors of the 308 obviously have a point if the goal is to fling bullets approaching 200 grains. But even Ron talks constantly about how copper bullets allow you to step down in weight a class or two. Saying you bought a 308 win is certainly not the sexy choice when there is constantly talk of the newest hottest, modern cartridges, and I do like those. I have a 6.5PRC target rifle, and a 6mm Creedmoor.
I also heard Randy Newberg talk about how much he uses the 308, and all this just makes me think the 308 does everything I could need within reason, while offering great ammo prices, availability, tons of rifle options and moderate recoil.
Ron - with respect to your 7x57 and finding cartridges, you mention S&B. I know that you handload, so you might want to be aware that unless you are using a Co-Ax press, your standard shellholder wont fit the S&B case head. I've not reloaded any of my 7x57 S&B brass, but I have tried to put a case in a standard shellholder to see if it fits. Nope, the rim is a tad to big. From what I understand, a Lee No. 9 shellholder (for .41 Mag of all things) solves the problem. Just a heads-up. BTW, PPU (Prvi) cartridges are finally hitting the market again. They aren't the most accurate in any of my 7x57s (YMMV) but the brass is pretty good. I believe our old friend John Barsness uses quite a bit of it as well. In any event, another informative podcast. Thanks, as always. Mike in Florida.
Been loading 120 gr TAC-X in my 308 for a few years. They shoot great and are amazing on deer
Extremely coincidental i run into this video 2 weeks after i ordered these dame bullets for the '06. I am endlessly impressed with the variety and quality of the topics you cover in this channel, Ron. It really is unique and more helpful to us "tinkerers" than you know.
Thanks Wyatt. Glad I'm helping.
I’ve used 130 grain TTSX with good success in the 308 win. I decided to use this load for my grandson’s 308 for lighter recoil and it turned out quite well.
Guy at vortex optics talks about the barnes 130gr in 308.
I’ve picked some up for my son’s rifle for this year. Barnes factory loaded TTSX 130 3140 fps and it groups great.
@@mikeTyson329 350 yards and in its one of better choices
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Thank you for your opinions and insights. I always learn something
Thank you Ron and thank you Grant !! Maybe you are the man to write that screen play!! I've been reading your stories since the 70s & you've been drawing literary pictures for decades , thanks for that ! I thoroughly enjoy your videos & look forward to seeing the next one ! Cheers to you from Canada & good luck on your fall hunts .
Thank you, Guy!
Ron, it strikes me as odd that so many people write in to say you don't know what you're talking about. I sometimes disagree with opinions you state, but those are only opinions (e.g., a cartridge preference). But when getting down to brass tacks I trust the depth and breadth of your experience to steer me in the right direction on matters of opinion and to be spot on regarding matters of fact (e.g., explaining exit pupil vis-à-vis scope selection). I really enjoy your videos and podcasts as they are both entertaining as well as informative.
With that said, I want to add to your commentary on red dot sights for a bear protection rifle (starting around the 15-minute mark in Episode 382). I think red dots sights are fine for a defensive firearm. I have one on my personal defense pistol. Still, you make a great point about knocking the sight in the woods or thickets. Worse than knocking it off or breaking it, one might knock it out of alignment without knowing. A great alternative for those who don't want to rely on open sights is the rear peep sight. It's physiologically easier & quicker to aim with a peep sight than something like a buckhorn sight.
My only cautions regarding peep sights would be (1) get one with wings protecting the sight that mounts atop the receiver rather than a precision target style that mounts on the side of the receiver, and (2) a larger aperture will be better for quick acquisition of a charging bear.
PS - I'm not sure some of your listeners really understand just how fast a bear charges. The only helpful analogy I can offer is for folks to consider just how quickly they can get to 40 mph in their car or on a motorbike. Then consider that sometimes by the time someone in the back country realizes a bear is interested, it's already started its charge ...so even less time to react. Maybe Jerry Miculek could get off 15-20 shots before the bear makes contact, but I sure couldn't.
Excellent advice, m444ss. And thanks for your vote on confidence.
Love all your videos. Keep them coming !
I've been using 110gr txs & 130gr ttxs in my 30-06 for the last 20 years, I've only recovered 1
Well Done..spot on IHO on the 8mm to 35 Whelen ..can get a wee bit heavier bullet over the 8mm ..Would need to just about handload to get full potential.
Thanks for the After Action Report on the B&C Cabbage.. Will have to remember n try the tips there.
God Bless You n Yours.
Here in Oz I use 130 TSX for Fallow Deer. This is out of a stubby barrel of a Miroku 308 lever action. I'm happy with the performance using AR2208 (Varget) with a muzzle velocity of 2900. The only criticism is the animal invariably travels a little way before expiring.
hey mate, same with me. I've shot 3 fallow with a 130 ttsx. one was a cervical spine shot and it naturally died instantly. the other 2 ran 20m (heart shot) and 40m (double lung shot), but the blood trail was incredible both times.
Interesting. NSW here, those should flatten fallow at a mile! I’ve moved to 300 Blackout, 110 Vmax for fallow, slip the ribs and pop the heart. 7-08 for sambar, nothing heavier than 130’s. No exits, just mush inside.
I'm glad I have my 18" .308 AR10. It's a great deer rifle that I'm getting plenty of hours behind and running. Very important you can truly work with your rifle.
Hi again. Tube diameter is only really important for shooters that dial their turrets and shoot over a high variety of different distances. Prs type or dmr type shooting for example. The bigger the tube diameter the bigger the amount of mills you can dial. Easy as that. If you hold over then 25mm tube will work just fine. Very little difference in light transmission if objective is the same size.
I use a 100gr. in a 6.5x55 3000 fps +. works great!
I know a couple guys who use the Barnes 130gr TTSX in .308 in GA for whitetail and say they just work lights out on the deer👍🏻
My friends son took a doe with a 308 loaded with the 130 grain TSX, that bullet works awesome.
I’ve reloaded 125 grain psp in 3006. It crushes deer!
The 110gr Vmax turns things inside out.
I load 90 grain speer tnt's in 6.5 creed also 95 grain vmax. I use them on prairie dogs. They absolutely explode pdogs!! The light bullets in 6.5 are over 3300 fps!
22lr v soda cans out to 450 yards Mark and Sam after work
Mark and Sam after work
Mark and Sam after work
Uncle Ron. 😬
My wife just shot a blue wildebeest at 180m with her 308 20” barrel 1:10 with the Nosler Accubond 150. It ran 5M to the left, 5M to the right and that was it. (We live in South Africa). The guys here shoots almost everything with 308’s. Yes of course the other calibers like 30-06, 270, etc are also popular but over here, nobody really cares about the caliber if it is one of the popular ones. We are way more interested in whether the hunter puts in the effort to do proper shot placement under all conditions. I think way too much emphasis is placed on caliber. Over here, if you have lets say a 308 and a 375 for example you are all good for 99% of all hunts.
People really should rather spend money on good optics and work on their shooting.
I have a ar15 "pistol" chambered in 450 bushmaster.... I would take that any day over a 45-70..
Great subject I have a marlin rifle in 308 that loves factory nosler 130 ballistic tips at 200 yards shoots 1/2” groups it has taken elk,deer,and lots of coyotes put the bullet in the right place and they fall fast
Bowl armory makes a wonderful 460 Smith & Wesson lever action and red dot mounts That would make the best bear gun with a Smith & Wesson revolver pairing in the same caliber, which means you could take moose and elk. Also using a 410 buckshot or birdshot in the same guns (They just have to be shorter reloaded shells like 2.5 inches long) for bird and rabbit. These are the kind of thing you can use for taking one gun or one caliber and doing every scenario.
My grandpa used to live with bears and he never carried anything but a butter knife and never even had to use that.If the bears got out of hand he would just smack them on the nose.I'm not even going to tell you about what my uncles used to do,you probably wouldn't believe me anyway. LOLOL
130gn Barnes TTSX in 308 works well even on bigger Game 😉 130gn TTSX is as long as a traditionel 150gn Cup&Core
223/5.56 is not the only caliber that ARs shoot
I love my Barnes 130gr 308 factory ammo.
RE: the .44mag from a lever: you can push it a LOT higher than 1400fps for a 240gr, like 400-600fps faster.
I've seen almost 2100fps from my 20" '94 from Remington green/white box 180's! I've loaded 240gr round-nose target projectiles north of 2000fps safely too with pedestrian, old school powders like H110, 2400, etc. I'm sure you could push it higher with newer powders that can keep the pressures down better, but I've never felt the need to really push the .44mag much past the "+p" areas as it's already plenty effective on most any game in N. America within 130yd or so.
As for bullets/loadings I actually carry in bear country, 305gr keith hardcast's, gas-checked, at about 1725fps, or solid copper 265's a little slower (~1700fps) Both penetrate very deeply, remain in tact when plowing into/through big bones, and both are well matching/exceeding .454 casull revolver muzzle energies (About 1700ft lb at the muzzle with the copper's, north of 2000ft lb for the 305gr hardcast... it's a sledgehammer at anything closer than 50ft!)
If you don't cast/quench your own bullets, just make sure the one's you buy will standup to the higher velocities. Or just spend the money on Buffalo Bore or Underwood (avoid the 340gr; most lever's won't cycle it reliably as it's too long/meplat is so wide) hardcasts or copper mono's. Both are great factory options.
I've moved towards bigger, heavier rounds for bear protection in revolvers over the last 5-10 years due to having the ability/hardware to do so, but I have zero issues carrying .44 in a long gun in Griz country as long as it's loaded with the right projectiles. Back in the day of the .44-40 it was one of the favorite chambering's for hunters & trappers in Montana & the Canadien Rockies. They took a lot of big Griz with what would effectively be a hot .44spl/mild .44mag round nose, so you'll be just fine with modern .44mag loadings. Just practice your follow-ups!
Yeah 1300 didn't sound at all right to me. 2000 sounds way closer to reality.
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Hey Ron Michael Crawford here I was wondering if you could talk about the 303 Enfield cartridge and does it still measure up to today's new cartridges ?
I was thinking about that the other day. I hope he does a comparison.
Hi Ron, Re: Bear protection. I would like to see a video where someone puts a 45/70 lever up against a 450 bushmaster with 16 in barrel with a collapsible stock. There are many videos that put a 10 mm against a .44 mag. Most of those videos explain that capacity is irrelevant. In those videos ergonomics , ease of use Ie. lack of having to use a lever, a little less power vs little less recoil lead to a better choice. Many of the arguments that have led to 10 mm glocks replacing 44 revolvers could be applied. If you wanted to add a third… add a pump 12 ga. Thanks again for a great video!
That would be a great test, especially if we could get some charging bears to perform for us.
Wish I lived where bears are a problem 😕
In a world of "rapid fire Rambo" 20-30 year old punks, you sir, are a blessing!
Plenty of 50-70 year old gun store Rambo's, too. No need to narrow that window.
@@sinisterthoughts2896 lol
After using a M4 for 21 years the AR is familiar to me and I love them for their modularity. I’m 55 years young and only wish I was 20 again.
@@sinisterthoughts2896 true and point taken
yes there are 50 year old children shooting at watermelons too; my ARs are varmint rigs only; no way I would want to be 20 again especially nowadays
.50 Beowulf can go in AR platform I think that would pretty good for bear but I’d never use a 223 for bear protection.
Nice drawing in the back
That's actually a photo taken in our deep snow.
@@RonSpomerOutdoors oh really love it
130 gr in 308 sounds like a nice fast, flat loading.
20" Barrel 46.7gn Lovex D073.5 130gn TTSX 71mm OAL = 921m/s out of my Rifle
Shot Red Deer, Roe, Wildboar with it works great
Going AR. For bears AR 10 or one of the more custom jod 300 win mag or 12 gauge but the get pretty big and heavy that will slow your reaction down
One caveat on the 130gr TTSX in .308 -- penetration can be limited at closer ranges. I've been hunting with that setup for about 10 years with an 18" barrel and get right around 2950 fps (using H335). Shots within about 50 yards rarely pass through on deer, bear & pigs. I think the bullet is just going too fast and opens up too fast. I usually find them under the hide on the off-side. Shots out at 100+ almost always pass through. It's lethal all the same. But I recover more bullets on closer shots & none at longer ranges.
You likely get maximum expansion at the closer range impact velocities, and that reduces penetration.
Messing around with a lighter bullet in a 308 is just trying to make a 7mm-08.
Yeah, both are great in their own right.
so the 308 is more versatile
458 Socom in the AR. 405 grn hard cast.
At this point 130gr is becoming the norm in 308 because of copper bullets. Other than for longer range 600+ yard shooting, a 130gr Barnes TTSX boat tail will do anything you need and have better weight retention than a 150gr-168gr bullet. I actually recently loaded 110gr Barnes TTSX for my 308 Win, and it's a laser. Great option for a low recoil, high velocity deer round.
Twist rates will need to be faster in new rifles chambered in old calibers to stabilize the all copper bullets of equal weight of lead core bullets.
@@brianklamer3328 Yes and no. That’s why the weight is lower, to keep them the same length as other common bullets. The 130gr copper is about the same length as a 168gr lead core, and the 110gr copper is about the same length as a 150gr lead core. Approximately.
We'll all get copper bullets shoved down our throats eventually by the government for hunting on public land though unfortunately.
Jim, what powder, coal, and starting powder charge on that 110gr barnes? I use 117gr hammer bullets in 270 58gr 4831sc 3.3 coal. Laser.
@@travissmith-wz5nc 2.735” COAL, Accurate 2230, 47.7 grains. Winchester Magnum primer because that’s all I could find at the time. 3,120fps with a 16” barrel.
As far as ARs vs bear, larger bore AR10, maybe smaller 15s.... Add binary trigger
I got it 450bushmaster in an ar perfect bear gun 5 and 7 round mags and its short
"The younger guys who grew up with ARs" even though the AR has been common in the US for 60 years.
Im around amarillo and didn't know IFG was local
I just bought some 130gr TTSX bullets for my .308!
That's what I'm running here in Idaho this season. Good luck!
Fixing to try that this year as well.
I'm trying them in my 06 this year. Pretty good accuracy and recoil is so light!
I put together 50 rounds of 130 grain ttsx recently, haven't shot them yet though. If you reload the barnes website has load data listings. There's even 110 grain ttsx 300 win mag load data, they list it around 3900 fps.
I love that round. Hit a big 10 point whitetail last year at 290 yard and had straight pass through. Deer piled up in the brush about 30 yards from impact
300 Ham'r... designed for 110-135gr 308 bullets.
Hey Ron
I only hunt with my.308 REM model 7. My question is… do they make a factory 130gr. Load? I can’t hand load only because I can’t find any components here in SE Wisconsin 🤷🏼♂️🤷🏼♂️
I carry an open sight blr in 308 with 220 gr round nose hornaby factory loads for protection when guiding hunter in grizzly country. I think what I’m hearing is I may be too light. I would appreciate your input.
Say a lighter bullet reaches similar energy ft-lbs because of added velocity over a heavier bullet of same caliber. If both reach similar energy, what would the benefit of the heavier one? Would the heavier bullet 'hit' harder of the added weight, or is energy energy? Would you take impact velocity over energy?
Ron, what about an AR10 in .338 Federal rather than an AR15? While you can use a larger AR15 caliber like .450 bushmaster instead of a .223/5.56 I feel like an AR10 in .308win or the .338 Fed would be as good or better. I am not doggin' the 45-70 cause I love me a good lever-action, and I would absolutely use one myself, but for guys that want a MSR for bear protection seems like that would be a better choice?
The factory TTSX 130 grain .308 gives near identical performance compared to the factory TTSX 130 grain .270 when you look at the factory data. For those who've actually used the .308 and 130 grain TTSX, what would be the maximum effective range on whitetail?
Most quality optics mounts are just as if not stronger than adjustable iron sights on the variety of lever blasters available. The only arguments for not having a modern optic on both pistol and rifle is if it’s an antique or if its design is not compatible. Gotta wave the Fudd flag on this one.
Reality check on a 44 magnum out of a lever: Underwood 340 grain @ 1850 fps out of a 20” lever gun! Freight train!
What are your thoughts on .375 Winchester? I got a Winchester 94 Big Bore XTR from my father and it’s fun but it seems the round is few and far between.
That's a power upgrade of the old blackpowder 38-55 Winchester. A great straightwall cartridge, but too long for some states.
@@RonSpomerOutdoors yeah, .360 Buckhammer kinda reminds me of it due to the size and concept, but yeah .375 is too long indeed.
Hey Ron. Don’t forget a bears fat can stop small slugs
Chewy, I'm not so sure they stop slugs so much as seal up the hole so you don't get blood for tracking.
I feel the need for speed
Ðo not use hollow point's in any magnum caliber to try and kill a bear. Larry Kelly was a hand gun hunter and used a 44 magnum for everything from bear to the big 5 in Africa. He always said use Barnes and Monolithic square super solids for dangerous game
What about 110gr softpoints in .300 Hulk? 😱💀
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Velocity is Good when the beasties have ceramic on maybe a light for caliber 300win
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It's not about the odds, it's about what's at stake. What's your life worth? I live in North West Florida we have black bears, I hunt with a 308 and carry a 357 mag and I'm not lacking competency with either one but I still feel I'm under gunned at times. I know most of y'all understand, I'm not trying to be an ass but some folks just don't get it.
Im in the mnts of Va and a lot of black bears here where I’am. I use a 308 rifle or 45-70
Leaver gun. But my side arm is a 44mag tiger red hawk with extremely hot 44 loads only to be shot out of a ruger red hawk. I know people over estimate black bears they are tuff and it’s so thick where iam that you literally can be 5 feet away from a bear and not see it so you may only get one shot.
Hi Ron, about bear defense, you’ll get no argument from me, that a 4570 lever action with hard cast bullets is good option. In fact it would be my preferred choice. But up here in Canada, a new Marlin 1886 in 4570 can set you back over $2,000. Not too concerned about cartridge costs as I hand load. In British Columbia where I live the provincial gov’t banned grizzly hunting. So I went with the poor boy option, picking up a 12 gauge (3 inch shells, 18.5 inch barrel) pump action shotgun for bear defense. I bought it on sale just before the federal gov’t re-started the long gun registry that’s not a long gun registry (don’t get me started on politics where we have socialistic Liberal gov’t lead by an idiot named Trudeau). Anyway, my question is this: the shotgun is a smooth bore (near as I can tell) 870 clone by Blueline and i don’t know if I can shoot hard cast slugs out of it or if I’m stuck with buckshot which I’m not keen on. Please educate me about this topic. Thanks Ron. I really enjoy your podcasts, keep up the great work you do.
Hard cast slugs should be fine in that barrel as long as it's not choked tight. No choke or improved cylinder at most would be safest. You might mic your bore and choke plus the bullet. Many 12 ga. slugs are intentionally undersized to accommodate variable bore diameters. Should be .729" bore, but tight chokes can take that way down. Some slugs have full diameter plastic sleeves to seal the gases so bullet itself can be a bit undersized for safety.
@@RonSpomerOutdoors Wow! Thank you for the quick re
Wow, thank you for the quick response! I’ll be sure to mic the
bore. Safety first. 👍🇨🇦
130gr .308 win. vs. 130gr. .270 win.
Let the debate begin! lol
Ron- I have sent in a caliber question several times on your website and have not heard anything on either of your UA-cam channels. What is the best method for asking questions? I have a 35 Whelen AI that drives a 250gn @ 2445 fps. I have been considering rebarreling it to a 338 Win Mag. What are your thoughts about an elk caliber for out west hunting (300-500 yard hunting)? Thank you.
You can push 250's a lot harder than that, unless you have a 16" bbl. I suggest a 225gr Nosler Accubond at 2800 fps. Should get you out to 500 just fine.
there's no chance I'm packing a handgun chambered for a 32-caliber cartridge - even 327 Federal Magnum - to defend against a bear attack
In my experience, 30 caliber rounds just work better for hunting game.30.06 and 308 are go too rounds.
A finger is between 9 an 12.5mm I think 🤔
No. Unless you're talking about young children.
ar in 458 socom
Yes sir, I'll add the .450 Bushmaster and 50 Beowolf they are also hard hitters that put a lot of rounds on target fast.
I made that argument about a bear defense rifle
@@kevinfidler8074 a lot of people hear AR and they think 5.56. Ron seemed to allude to this with his pew pew pew pew pew comment. Me I'm thinking five 400 grain solids from a 50 Beowolf would leave a mark.
@r1299 Another point is if there is only a matter of seconds, a bolt or lever gun are likely to be 1 shot before the bear is on someone. Having 7-10 rounds in a mag and being semi auto, I would think someone would have better odds.
I had this conversation in one of the shorts, Ron didn't seem to agree with me.
10 mm isn't a bad choice or a 12ga for that matter imo if I'm wrong I'm wrong
Light for caliber/cartridge= mono metal bullets.. Nuff said..
AR come in different calibers... 450 bushmaster is just as good as a 45-70
I'm not 100 percent sure but I think the ballistics are just about the same aren't they
Lmfao how about 130grain ttsx with a 300wm😂
buffalo bore ammo
A 30-06 is over 200 FPS faster than a 308 .
If ya dont like ron , you gota be a liberal 😂😂😂😂😂
I know just as many old guys that hunt with ARs as young guys. I think it’s boomer syndrome thinking young people do it all wrong even if we’re doing exactly what our parents taught us to do.
It's always been like that. Anything that deviates from tradition is wrong it seems like