Things I would add to this; - Use play dough or modelling clay to plug up any holes and crevices on the action where the bedding compound could seep. - Use sand paper to rough up the areas that the bedding compound is adhering to. Boyds stocks are sealed inside and out. The bedding compound will stick to a smooth surface but a roughed up one gives better hold. - Don't use acraglass, use Devcon.
I have a number of rifles with a Boyd's stock....either from the factory but most were replacement stocks ridding myself of several tupperware stocks.I have checked all of these stocks...thumb hole feather weight and Varmint bull barrel on one and I cannot see or find a single place where the barrels contact the stock...no one. Plenty of clearance. All of these rifles were Savage rifles or Stevens 200. One I shot before and after the install of a Boyd's thumb hole featherweight stock and accuracy did improve substantially. After glass bedding this stock using Devcon steel epoxy (And I use Devcon exclusively) and replacing the factory recoil lug to a precision ground recoil lug...the accuracy tightened up even further. As for the accuracy on all of the other Savage/Stevens rifles before the Boyd's stock install...well....the install of the stocks was immediate out of the box...so I cannot speak of the accuracy improvements using Boyd's laminate stock replacement sine this was done on the rifle right out of the box. I cannot understand why someone would spend mega thousands for a custom rig when I have under $500.00 per rifle including a Boyd's laminate stock....not counting optics and high quality mounts and rings which cost me $300.00 per rifle just for the mouonts and rings...and on optics you cannot cheap out. You may not need a $1,000.00 scope but you need to use a high quality scope and install the scope as stress free as you can get it. Note...I did not pillar bed a single one of these rifles since the laminate stocks from Boyd's are a hard material. Accuracy on every single Savage rifle with a Boyd's stock is remarkably respectable....to say the least. If you feel pillar bedding is necessary....by all means confidence in your rig does help in the mental game of shooting...surely this will not harm accuracy and may help. But I cannot complain on my results. I would however strip down the action of trigger/etc and plug anywhere the epoxy can and will get into using plumbers putty...cheap and works well and coat the action with Kiwi show polish or Johnson's paste floor wax. But whatever works...you just want a tight tight fit and using the release agent in the Accuglass kit is really too thick even after drying. I have other rifles to build up...and the Boyd's Pro Varmint stock textured black is the stock I will be using as was the case on another build..balance is nice and accuracy is superb...nice looking too!!
I agree with your summation one hundred percent. For a while Brownells sold a spray paraffin product, don't recall the name, acra ease or something similar, but I've made my own since they no longer carry it, by shaving paraffin wax into a glass jar and covering it with naphtha, close the jar and set it in direct sunlight, over several days the wax will start to dissolve into the oily solvent ( same stuff as zippo lighter fluid) eventually reaching saturation point. if you have one of those coffee cup warmers you can use that, as long as you keep a close eye on things,,, regularly opening the jar so pressure equalizes, and agitating it. When the fluid reaches saturation and no more wax will dissolve remove MOST of the exess, if all dissolved add more and continue until no more dissolves. when you are done, you will have a liquid wax base that will leave a coating of wax on everything you paint it on, and it will penetrate all nooks and crannies, it will dry and not leave puddles in your epoxy. Before coating everything I fill the gaps with kids modeling clay, reusable and cheap and epoxy doesn't stick incase you rub off whatever you use for a release agent since it never dries out... that's the only difference between our techniques. I've used yours, just prefer this one since I'm use to it. I Also have my personal custom made stocks on some of my rifles and shotguns, Boyd's on others, factory on the rest. My latest is an AR-15 in 7.62x39 with Lucid wood, (Boyd's premium line) built for Wisconsin deer hunting. essentially a 200-250 yd max rifle a bit more powerful than a 30-30 with the handloads I've worked up. I enjoy using Boyd's stocks due to the finish and fit, minimal messing around and good looks. cant ask for much more than that. And considering that I have the skills and ability to build what I want from scratch, why should I when Boyd's already has it, and for less than the wood alone would cost...
Why can’t I not see any bedding compound at the rear tang of the receiver? I saw you put it on each side, but it isn’t visible at the end of the video.
I just got an At one for my Tikka t3x. I'll probably not do this until I see how well the stock comes. You should mention that doing this voids warranty, I'm sure it does.
Because you float your barrel first by taking a dremal or sandpaper and giving your barrel enough clearance for a $20 bill then glass bed when your done the barrel will never contact the stock
I have a new remington 700 sps tactical arriving and it already has aluminum pillars... is it necessary to glass bed anyways? with that i greatly appreciate your approach to glass bedding! It is way easier than the majority of the instructional videos on here!!! very helpful and I hope you can respond! Shoot straight and thank you!!
Glad this video helps explain the process easily! Glass bedding can be added in addition to pillar bedding, both help improve the accuracy of your rifle, especially for long range shooting. With that, glass bedding is personal preference and only required on one Boyds gunstock model, for the Ruger American series. We actually send bedding compound with the new stocks. Otherwise on any other models, it's up to the shooter if they prefer glass bedding.
I’ve seen people support the barrel with tape or clay near the forend when bedding. I am worried about adding any unnecessary torque. Why did you choose not to free float first or temporarily support the barrel in place while bedding here? Boyds Provarmint Thanks!
Most gunstocks models we offer now are designed to have a free-floated barrel channel. Unless your barrel is larger than the what's listed tech specs, you would then need to free float for any addition clearance. The stock in this video was already free-floated, and the 2nd video referenced around 4:25-4:30 discusses if you need to provide clearance beyond what we normally mill for our channels.
There's only one model that required glass bedding, the Ruger American series. Due to the steel lugs, the recoil is very hard on the wood. We send bedding compound in the box with Ruger American stocks. Any other model it's entirely personal preference.
You will need to coat the holes, screws, and everything that you do not want to have bedding compound adhere to with a release agent that is included with most bedding packets. If you do not feel comfortable doing this process effectively we suggest seeking out a professional gunsmith that is skilled in glass bedding.
I have bought 1 Boyds stock, finish was okay, fit was horrible. I have had to modify the stock myself just to get the action to fit and the saftey to work. Won't say I will never buy them again, but it is not looking good.
Lloyd, We apologize for the inconvenience with the fitment. We have a 90-day warranty on all our stocks where you can contact us to return or have it replaced. However, once a stock is modified the warranty is void. If it was just minor sanding, we can work with you.
Or should I say....Acraglas....maybe a couple of you "Old School" Smiths can edicate me on proper spelling/pronouncement of words. Odd however....my glass bedding jobs looks just like in quality as the many I had done years ago by "Gunsmiths".....and I did these bedding jobs in oh I dunno...a couple of hours and let sit overnight then cleanup the next day...about an hour including reassembly....I'm figuring in the cost of Devcon only and not the recoil lugs...so I have oh let's see here....about $5.00 per bedding. I dunno...last bedding job I paid for cost me $150.00 and wasn't that great...you do the math. I done with this one....unreal.
We are normally able to ship left hand stocks internationally, but currently out website is going through an update and international orders have been temporarily suspended. If you're able to call, we can place your order manually. 1-605-996-5011 Monday-Friday 8a-5p Central Standard Time.
@@boydsgunstocks Hey, thanks. I tried a few years ago to get a stock for my Howa 1500 in 223 (LH stock but RH cut out) and you couldn’t ship internationally because of state laws.
Not a great video. Mr Boyd glassed over the recoil lug, but did not mention about how he got the lug hole machined in! Also, he mentioned about glassing the back of the action, but at the end I could not see any glass there! I also thought he would have talked about the "pillar bedding" you can get on some of his stocks. Plus in all the UA-cam videos I have watched, the pillar bedding has been too short in length to do the job. It looks like most of their business is based on their good prices. I have written twice to this company, but did not get a reply, what a pity.
Hello Richard, We do have another, more recent glass bedding video. ua-cam.com/video/YKcQqr0uegY/v-deo.html The reason Randy did not mention pillar bedding in this video is because we only added this option in the last 2 years. This video you're commenting on is from 7 years ago.
@@boydsgunstocks Thank you for taking the time to reply. The link you gave me is one I had seen before, but at the end it said it could not be finished due to Covid. Anyway, I have tried to find the Part 2. Unfortunately I could not find it, could you send me the link please? Sorry, but I have another question. I have two Tikka rifles. a T3X in 243win and a T1X in 22Lr. So, will your stock for the T1X fit onto my T3X action? I have been told it should, but please confirm that please.
@@richardt.4224 Here's part 2 of that episode: ua-cam.com/video/DccMPz_xDjs/v-deo.html No the T1x is not for the T3x but luckily the original T3 model is compatible with the T3x variation. You'll need to order the T1x and the T3 in factory or bull barrel channel, two separate stocks.
Not the smartest moves on Boyd's part?....?...!!!!! There were a few things that I questioned on this bed job.....no relief in front/side and bottom of recoil lug..trigger not removed....cervices not plug.....area were receiver sits nor sanded...the use of Accuglass period....but not a smart move for gun owners to do their own work on their rifles?! Boyd's rules the market...if you feel compelled...start your own company and move into the market place with stocks...I smell resentment. Face it gents....people want to work on their own projects...advancement of knowledge is a good thing...as in good?! There has been in the past much evidence of arrogance on the part of gunsmith or those posing as a smith...many should not have been a smith...none the less...at times we as owner grew weary of smiths doing work for others because of friendship or whatever...and other peoples work went untouched for months at times. So anyone can build a rifle tht will outperform a Gunwerk's Special or a Defensive Edge as examples...without costing mega thousands...and the shooting industry has advanced massively because of people like myself that can do superb work and in a short order situation....nice why of be critical against hard working people fellers!! Thanks Boyd's Stocks for producing a quality product that with just a little work and elbow grease....consumers can save thousands and shoot better than many using custom rigs...and these guys can't stand it!! Astonishing.
You say Boyd’s rule the market. Which market are you referencing? Top of the line is Minnelli. I’m lucky enough to own one. Boyd’s doesn’t come close in fit, finish, quality, materials, checkering, or accuracy. They do beat Minelli in price though. Perhaps that’s what you meant.
Thank you for this video. Made this process a lot more simple. Did all these steps on 2 of my guns and they turned out great!
Things I would add to this;
- Use play dough or modelling clay to plug up any holes and crevices on the action where the bedding compound could seep.
- Use sand paper to rough up the areas that the bedding compound is adhering to. Boyds stocks are sealed inside and out. The bedding compound will stick to a smooth surface but a roughed up one gives better hold.
- Don't use acraglass, use Devcon.
Why not acraglass? Did you have a bad experience using it or what?
Thank you Randy.
I have a number of rifles with a Boyd's stock....either from the factory but most were replacement stocks ridding myself of several tupperware stocks.I have checked all of these stocks...thumb hole feather weight and Varmint bull barrel on one and I cannot see or find a single place where the barrels contact the stock...no one. Plenty of clearance.
All of these rifles were Savage rifles or Stevens 200. One I shot before and after the install of a Boyd's thumb hole featherweight stock and accuracy did improve substantially. After glass bedding this stock using Devcon steel epoxy (And I use Devcon exclusively) and replacing the factory recoil lug to a precision ground recoil lug...the accuracy tightened up even further. As for the accuracy on all of the other Savage/Stevens rifles before the Boyd's stock install...well....the install of the stocks was immediate out of the box...so I cannot speak of the accuracy improvements using Boyd's laminate stock replacement sine this was done on the rifle right out of the box. I cannot understand why someone would spend mega thousands for a custom rig when I have under $500.00 per rifle including a Boyd's laminate stock....not counting optics and high quality mounts and rings which cost me $300.00 per rifle just for the mouonts and rings...and on optics you cannot cheap out. You may not need a $1,000.00 scope but you need to use a high quality scope and install the scope as stress free as you can get it.
Note...I did not pillar bed a single one of these rifles since the laminate stocks from Boyd's are a hard material. Accuracy on every single Savage rifle with a Boyd's stock is remarkably respectable....to say the least. If you feel pillar bedding is necessary....by all means confidence in your rig does help in the mental game of shooting...surely this will not harm accuracy and may help. But I cannot complain on my results.
I would however strip down the action of trigger/etc and plug anywhere the epoxy can and will get into using plumbers putty...cheap and works well and coat the action with Kiwi show polish or Johnson's paste floor wax. But whatever works...you just want a tight tight fit and using the release agent in the Accuglass kit is really too thick even after drying.
I have other rifles to build up...and the Boyd's Pro Varmint stock textured black is the stock I will be using as was the case on another build..balance is nice and accuracy is superb...nice looking too!!
I agree with your summation one hundred percent. For a while Brownells sold a spray paraffin product, don't recall the name, acra ease or something similar, but I've made my own since they no longer carry it, by shaving paraffin wax into a glass jar and covering it with naphtha, close the jar and set it in direct sunlight, over several days the wax will start to dissolve into the oily solvent ( same stuff as zippo lighter fluid) eventually reaching saturation point. if you have one of those coffee cup warmers you can use that, as long as you keep a close eye on things,,, regularly opening the jar so pressure equalizes, and agitating it. When the fluid reaches saturation and no more wax will dissolve remove MOST of the exess, if all dissolved add more and continue until no more dissolves. when you are done, you will have a liquid wax base that will leave a coating of wax on everything you paint it on, and it will penetrate all nooks and crannies, it will dry and not leave puddles in your epoxy. Before coating everything I fill the gaps with kids modeling clay, reusable and cheap and epoxy doesn't stick incase you rub off whatever you use for a release agent since it never dries out... that's the only difference between our techniques. I've used yours, just prefer this one since I'm use to it. I Also have my personal custom made stocks on some of my rifles and shotguns, Boyd's on others, factory on the rest. My latest is an AR-15 in 7.62x39 with Lucid wood, (Boyd's premium line) built for Wisconsin deer hunting. essentially a 200-250 yd max rifle a bit more powerful than a 30-30 with the handloads I've worked up. I enjoy using Boyd's stocks due to the finish and fit, minimal messing around and good looks. cant ask for much more than that. And considering that I have the skills and ability to build what I want from scratch, why should I when Boyd's already has it, and for less than the wood alone would cost...
Why can’t I not see any bedding compound at the rear tang of the receiver?
I saw you put it on each side, but it isn’t visible at the end of the video.
The stock may have been a tighter fit in this area, so the bedding compound might be paper thin.
I just got an At one for my Tikka t3x. I'll probably not do this until I see how well the stock comes. You should mention that doing this voids warranty, I'm sure it does.
Is it bad to use the action screws to hold it while acraglass sets? Could it "tweak" the action?
There is no video on how to free float your barrel after you glass bed it, or I haven't found it yet on your channel.
Because you float your barrel first by taking a dremal or sandpaper and giving your barrel enough clearance for a $20 bill then glass bed when your done the barrel will never contact the stock
@@tylitke3691does it have to be a $20 bill or will a $10 bill suffice?
@@therowdyrue7768😂
I have a new remington 700 sps tactical arriving and it already has aluminum pillars... is it necessary to glass bed anyways? with that i greatly appreciate your approach to glass bedding! It is way easier than the majority of the instructional videos on here!!! very helpful and I hope you can respond! Shoot straight and thank you!!
Glad this video helps explain the process easily!
Glass bedding can be added in addition to pillar bedding, both help improve the accuracy of your rifle, especially for long range shooting. With that, glass bedding is personal preference and only required on one Boyds gunstock model, for the Ruger American series. We actually send bedding compound with the new stocks. Otherwise on any other models, it's up to the shooter if they prefer glass bedding.
Best glass bed soundtrack music ever
I’ve seen people support the barrel with tape or clay near the forend when bedding. I am worried about adding any unnecessary torque. Why did you choose not to free float first or temporarily support the barrel in place while bedding here?
Boyds Provarmint
Thanks!
Most gunstocks models we offer now are designed to have a free-floated barrel channel. Unless your barrel is larger than the what's listed tech specs, you would then need to free float for any addition clearance. The stock in this video was already free-floated, and the 2nd video referenced around 4:25-4:30 discusses if you need to provide clearance beyond what we normally mill for our channels.
What did you use as release agent
Liquid Wrench L212
what release agent are you using, can you name suggest any ?
The brand used in this video is Liquid Wrench L212.
@@boydsgunstocks , THANKS
Does this have to be done to the stock when you get it, or can I just bolt the action into the stock and shoot?
There's only one model that required glass bedding, the Ruger American series. Due to the steel lugs, the recoil is very hard on the wood. We send bedding compound in the box with Ruger American stocks. Any other model it's entirely personal preference.
@boydsgunstocks I got the aluminum pillar bedding for the Ruger American. Do I still need to glass bed the stock?
How do you avoid not getting the screws full of epoxy?
You will need to coat the holes, screws, and everything that you do not want to have bedding compound adhere to with a release agent that is included with most bedding packets.
If you do not feel comfortable doing this process effectively we suggest seeking out a professional gunsmith that is skilled in glass bedding.
You hid the release agent. What is it ?
Liquid Wrench Lubricating Oil.
I have bought 1 Boyds stock, finish was okay, fit was horrible. I have had to modify the stock myself just to get the action to fit and the saftey to work. Won't say I will never buy them again, but it is not looking good.
Lloyd,
We apologize for the inconvenience with the fitment. We have a 90-day warranty on all our stocks where you can contact us to return or have it replaced. However, once a stock is modified the warranty is void. If it was just minor sanding, we can work with you.
Or should I say....Acraglas....maybe a couple of you "Old School" Smiths can edicate me on proper spelling/pronouncement of words.
Odd however....my glass bedding jobs looks just like in quality as the many I had done years ago by "Gunsmiths".....and I did these bedding jobs in oh I dunno...a couple of hours and let sit overnight then cleanup the next day...about an hour including reassembly....I'm figuring in the cost of Devcon only and not the recoil lugs...so I have oh let's see here....about $5.00 per bedding. I dunno...last bedding job I paid for cost me $150.00 and wasn't that great...you do the math.
I done with this one....unreal.
Shame you guys don't sell L/H stocks outside the USA. 😞
We are normally able to ship left hand stocks internationally, but currently out website is going through an update and international orders have been temporarily suspended. If you're able to call, we can place your order manually. 1-605-996-5011 Monday-Friday 8a-5p Central Standard Time.
@@boydsgunstocks
Hey, thanks.
I tried a few years ago to get a stock for my Howa 1500 in 223 (LH stock but RH cut out) and you couldn’t ship internationally because of state laws.
@@sudo_nym Once we resume international shipping we can certain help out with a left hand stock with right hand action/bolt cut.
@@boydsgunstocks
Thank you sir!
I own boyds stocks, and they are well made. I just wish they were contoured better. They aren't very attractive.
Not a great video.
Mr Boyd glassed over the recoil lug, but did not mention about how he got the lug hole machined in!
Also, he mentioned about glassing the back of the action, but at the end I could not see any glass there!
I also thought he would have talked about the "pillar bedding" you can get on some of his stocks.
Plus in all the UA-cam videos I have watched, the pillar bedding has been too short in length to do the job.
It looks like most of their business is based on their good prices.
I have written twice to this company, but did not get a reply, what a pity.
Hello Richard,
We do have another, more recent glass bedding video. ua-cam.com/video/YKcQqr0uegY/v-deo.html
The reason Randy did not mention pillar bedding in this video is because we only added this option in the last 2 years. This video you're commenting on is from 7 years ago.
@@boydsgunstocks Thank you for taking the time to reply.
The link you gave me is one I had seen before, but at the end it said it
could not be finished due to Covid. Anyway, I have tried to find the Part 2.
Unfortunately I could not find it, could you send me the link please?
Sorry, but I have another question. I have two Tikka rifles. a T3X in 243win
and a T1X in 22Lr. So, will your stock for the T1X fit onto my T3X action?
I have been told it should, but please confirm that please.
@@richardt.4224 Here's part 2 of that episode: ua-cam.com/video/DccMPz_xDjs/v-deo.html
No the T1x is not for the T3x but luckily the original T3 model is compatible with the T3x variation. You'll need to order the T1x and the T3 in factory or bull barrel channel, two separate stocks.
Not the smartest moves on Boyd's part?....?...!!!!! There were a few things that I questioned on this bed job.....no relief in front/side and bottom of recoil lug..trigger not removed....cervices not plug.....area were receiver sits nor sanded...the use of Accuglass period....but not a smart move for gun owners to do their own work on their rifles?!
Boyd's rules the market...if you feel compelled...start your own company and move into the market place with stocks...I smell resentment.
Face it gents....people want to work on their own projects...advancement of knowledge is a good thing...as in good?! There has been in the past much evidence of arrogance on the part of gunsmith or those posing as a smith...many should not have been a smith...none the less...at times we as owner grew weary of smiths doing work for others because of friendship or whatever...and other peoples work went untouched for months at times.
So anyone can build a rifle tht will outperform a Gunwerk's Special or a Defensive Edge as examples...without costing mega thousands...and the shooting industry has advanced massively because of people like myself that can do superb work and in a short order situation....nice why of be critical against hard working people fellers!!
Thanks Boyd's Stocks for producing a quality product that with just a little work and elbow grease....consumers can save thousands and shoot better than many using custom rigs...and these guys can't stand it!!
Astonishing.
You say Boyd’s rule the market. Which market are you referencing? Top of the line is Minnelli. I’m lucky enough to own one. Boyd’s doesn’t come close in fit, finish, quality, materials, checkering, or accuracy. They do beat Minelli in price though. Perhaps that’s what you meant.