Star Trek Hologram History (Including Discovery)

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  • Опубліковано 25 жов 2017
  • Holographic technology appears in EVERY Star Trek series, and is familiar to every era.
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  • @KairuHakubi
    @KairuHakubi 4 роки тому +6

    I think it was neat how TNG didn't try to be like THIS IS BRAND NEW they instead had Picard react to the specific things that were brand new to holodecks, the ability to look out a window and see something distant (that'd be really hard to pull off), and then they had the Bynars come in and upgrade it further, so for the first time the characters felt properly real and could interact with you as people.
    even though it was the first of it appearing in production, they were smart enough to realize technology is iterative.

  • @Horrox101
    @Horrox101 6 років тому +170

    Ok, I am now completely satisfied with Discoveries questionably canonical use of holograms

    • @nathanhough8156
      @nathanhough8156 4 роки тому +9

      Ignoring the holodecks and any holo consoles
      My not a fan theroy says the holo communicator stopped being used because they are not secure
      We see them again in DS9 but they are easily hacked

    • @pwnmeisterage
      @pwnmeisterage 3 роки тому +1

      EC Henry gives it a good shot but I'm still unconvinced.
      If they had such advanced holodeck tech (capable of simulating tactical scenarios, gunfights, etc) in the 2250s then why was Starfleet Academy still using clunky elaborate physical starship bridge mockups three decades later for their Kobayashi Maru simulations?

    • @paulmckenzie7126
      @paulmckenzie7126 3 роки тому

      Because....

    • @CommanderMouse72
      @CommanderMouse72 3 роки тому +1

      @@pwnmeisterage probably because they worked and it would take time to remove them and replace with the holographic stuff

    • @pwnmeisterage
      @pwnmeisterage 3 роки тому +2

      @@CommanderMouse72 We only saw it used once. But it seemed pretty obvious they'd have to rebuild half of it after the "failed" simulation ... self-destructing consoles filled with rocks and explosives as usual.

  • @GeekFilter
    @GeekFilter 6 років тому +117

    I tried to explain the use of holograms in Pre TOS era and DS9 by comparing video phones of the late 80s (yup, they existed!) with FaceTime or Skype on your phone. While it was possible to make a video phone call In the 80s, both people had to have special is technology in the band with just wasn’t there so it was a grainy black-and-white photo that often glitched, Not unlike the holograms that we saw in discovery that had a lot of latency and glitching. Fast forward to today where we have the infrastructure to support full frame color video, I imagine much in the same way Deep Space 9 had a better mode of subspace transmission! I like how you mentioned that they could finally realize old ideas, much like the video phone!

    • @DrewLSsix
      @DrewLSsix 6 років тому +5

      GeekFilter. Better yet, video phones existed as far back as the 1930s.

    • @Zlogical1
      @Zlogical1 5 років тому

      Hell video phones existed... in 1964 and a made a transcontinental call.

    • @Zlogical1
      @Zlogical1 5 років тому

      I stand corrected 1936 was the first use of video phones.

    • @Yackielot
      @Yackielot 5 років тому +2

      And also people bearly use video calling to this day, even though it is almost perfect.

    • @calimann83
      @calimann83 5 років тому

      That’s a good comparison

  • @dangerouslytalented
    @dangerouslytalented 6 років тому +171

    you left out the mobile holographic emitter that was taken from the 29th century timeship back in the 21st century and used on the Doctor.

    • @Jdne199311
      @Jdne199311 5 років тому +11

      was about to say the same

    • @SnareX
      @SnareX 5 років тому +12

      That and the sentient holograms that were on the run from slave drivers

    • @DeathBYDesign666
      @DeathBYDesign666 4 роки тому +4

      @Dark Sith Lord Pretty sure that was what he was referring to.

    • @DeathBYDesign666
      @DeathBYDesign666 4 роки тому +2

      I've always been curious about what else it was capable of. Could it recreate functional weapons or other equipment, maybe even a small ship?

    • @Ian_sothejokeworks
      @Ian_sothejokeworks 4 роки тому +2

      Yeah, I guess a piece of technology allowing an entirely new life form to break from its bondage just wasn't worth discussing...

  • @joelawry1064
    @joelawry1064 6 років тому +97

    One small thing you didn't mention is that in the Voyager episode Flashback, Tuvok said "In the twenty third century, holographic imaging resolution was less accurate."

    • @LoriCiani
      @LoriCiani 6 років тому +8

      Joe Lawry Is that the episode that...mucks up the ending of Undiscovered Country by killing off a crew member of Sulu's ship before he appears in a line up at the end of the film but Tuvok, who was according to the episode, supposed to be on the bridge, doesn't?

    • @joelawry1064
      @joelawry1064 6 років тому +2

      Yep.

    • @SlimThrull
      @SlimThrull 6 років тому +5

      It didn't muck anything up. The nebula they flew into caused a phase shift which allowed his doppelganger from the mirror universe to take his place on the bridge. C'mon guys, everyone knows this.

    • @MajorGrin
      @MajorGrin 5 років тому

      it was a shapeshifting alien

    • @Pyranders
      @Pyranders 3 роки тому

      @@LoriCiani Inconsistency aside, that was a really good episode.

  • @aperson22222
    @aperson22222 6 років тому +77

    There’s Flotter’s program to consider. It implies that holodecks as we know them in the TNG era go back at least as far as Janeway’s childhood. Yet in TNG S1, everyone acts as though that form of the technology is completely new to them.

    • @Arikayx13
      @Arikayx13 6 років тому +40

      Probably some childhood imagination and nostalgia going on and her version wasn't as immersive. A bit like saying you watched CGI transformers long before Micheal Bay, meaning Beast Wars.

    • @ChampionSheWolf
      @ChampionSheWolf 6 років тому +24

      +aperson22222 Gene Roddenberry had a tendency to write the shows from the perspective of a moron. Take the first two seasons of TNG as a prime example; The Picard everyone knows and loves does not exist. In his place currently is a crotchety, bitter old man who is prime to anger issues and lashing out at anything and not very good at taking suggestions or advice. Everything he does and how he acts is of a man who should not be a captain. He is rash, he is undisciplined, he acts like his crew are just there to serve him. He even thinks of his position as Captain of the Enterprise as a burden, not an honor.
      And every new thing that happens, he is like a child who has never had a chance to go outside their house. We are suppose to believe Picard is this experienced Starfleet officer but he acts more like a raw cadet than ever before. We won't see the wise and thoughtful Picard until the end of season 2 nearly season 3. But there is a reason Roddenberry got kicked up stairs and was only a consultant on Star Trek after season 2 as well, since TNG's future after season 2 was in question.

    • @yanickmonet5200
      @yanickmonet5200 6 років тому +16

      If I remember well.... They're more awe struck that a starship finally as stable holodecks ! Since they're supposed to be mostly on starbases !

    • @ChampionSheWolf
      @ChampionSheWolf 6 років тому +5

      +Yanick Monet I could buy that if the technology didn't obviously exist before. They showed off holodecks in TAS even.

    • @AnonEyeMouse
      @AnonEyeMouse 6 років тому +4

      Terra Silverspar It's fair to point out the real world basis for in show details... but they still need an in show justification and consistency.
      Gene was a guy that had great ideas but only a mediocre talent at writing them or realising them on screen. Like George Lucas. It is often left to far superior writers and film makers to realise a great idea for general consumption.

  • @tparadox88
    @tparadox88 6 років тому +4

    There's a severe inconsistency with how holodeck technology works from Encounter at Farpoint through Endgame that I've reconciled as being both a mix of techniques and a shift in prevailing methods. Early in TNG, when they explain the holodeck, they say, "this is all a replicator-transporter fusion, and the walls have projections on them." Later they needed to explain why holographic objects can't leave the holodeck, and the most concrete answer is "because holodeck matter needs to be supplied with energy or it falls apart". It's only in Voyager that they start talking about holograms being made of photons and forcefields.
    The way I've interpreted this is that in early TNG, the technology involved in making touchable holograms really was remote replication, animated by invisible tractor beams if necessary. A few years later, they'd managed to create high-definition force fields, phasing out replication as it got better and better until you only needed it for things you were going to ingest or otherwise interact with beyond simple touch (like, say, a holographic lung). And that means, Mr. Kim and Mr. Paris, that what you eat on the holodeck does not in fact stay on the holodeck.

  • @DoctorZisIN
    @DoctorZisIN 6 років тому +2

    The tiny Holo-Emmiter device which allows the Doctor to roam freely is quite an advance. Such a tiny object containing all the data necessary to project all the visuals, force fields and contain all the hologram's knowledge is quite amazing.

    • @Blasted2Oblivion
      @Blasted2Oblivion Рік тому +1

      If I recall correctly, it was future tech from farther forward than Voyager. That could explain its next level awesomeness.

  • @jldyr2
    @jldyr2 6 років тому +7

    I'm glad you put in the cartoon. a lot of people miss what happened in that series these days.

  • @xknoewx
    @xknoewx 6 років тому +9

    This is an amazing comprehensive study and I really appreciate the effort you always put into your videos!

  • @MatthewCaunsfield
    @MatthewCaunsfield 6 років тому +8

    Great summary! I knew about TOS and TAS, but had forgotten how many occurances of holograms there were in ENT

  • @ddoyle11
    @ddoyle11 6 років тому +100

    Very interesting video. What about the Doctor's mobile emitter?

    • @ECHenry
      @ECHenry  6 років тому +38

      +ddoyle11 I didn’t include it because it’s not a naturally-developed technology, but now that I think about it, it makes sense to include it.

    • @DocWolph
      @DocWolph 6 років тому +14

      As if the Voyager, ten of thousands of light years from home would not encounter technologies are otherwise find themselves much freer to invent what they need. "Necessity is the Mother of Invention" Do you think they would ever have developed such a revolutionary multi-role shuttle as the Delta flyer if they did not actually need to. That the Doctor would not have a portable holo-emitter without necessity forcing it.
      No, Voyager was not "perfect". It was pretty good. and they walking a pretty jagged line between "Episodic" and "Serial" the entire series. The series was rushed and skipped stuff that would have been seriously cool, such as turning "Year of Hell" from the proposed full season event, to a single episode. But this "Voyager make no sense and you can not seem to give good examples to illustrate that" shtick is getting annoying.

    • @DocWolph
      @DocWolph 6 років тому +4

      Truthfully, I barely gave the technobabble in *any* Star Trek series any real [weight]. It was just a way to make the character sound super competent.
      I will admit It has been a long time [since] I watched Voyager. But because every series, except DS9 feels, so much the same I have no strong desire to rewatch any of them, except DS9 and parts of TNG. It is likely my own sense of detachment from Star Trek overall that keeps me from being so down on them. It just never rises to the level of me caring that much.
      That said, I likely recall some details wrong. But it is what it is: science fiction. Even if the show is not some clandestine science [lesson] in every episode, does not make it nonsensical or bad. It is an entertainment meant to, for the most part, alleviate boredom. As far as pushing the patience of most fans, maybe in your area. In mine, few were too bothered by most of what they were doing.
      As far as Technical inconsistencies, What I was getting, in hindsight, was the writers wanted Trek to "get with the times". Ship has replicators, capable of making whole shuttles, they built the Delta Flyer, why shouldn't they have almost endless torpedoes? They are in uncharted space, they are going to run up on stuff that totally bends and breaks the rules, so they pick up new stuff learn to do new stuff, modify, upgrade, or just take it past its design limits. As long as they have time to do it, and they are not entirely obligated, in the writer's reckoning, to have to explain that this was done.
      If anything Voyager, then Enterprise, are both cases of "franchise fatigue". They really needed to stop making shows and let it sit and rest, figure out what to do, how to do it. Like I said, Voyager was rushed, clearly not perfect, but it wasn't bad. Although I will be honest I sorely dislike the downgrade of the Borg and the all too abrupt ending of the series.

    • @Foebane72
      @Foebane72 6 років тому

      Voyager was GREAT, Casanova, almost CLASSIC, in fact! Stop complaining!

    • @talideon
      @talideon 6 років тому +3

      The mobile emitter doesn't really count here: VOY is isolated, and that's _effectively_ alien tech they got their hands on.

  • @amazedsatsuma
    @amazedsatsuma 6 років тому +26

    Props on a insightful and research video

  • @Robert_St-Preux
    @Robert_St-Preux 6 років тому

    Awesome. You do a great job of seeing and presenting continuity.

  • @cha02psc
    @cha02psc 6 років тому

    Great video, thank you! I had previously thought that the holo firing range was incongruous in DSC but the examples from ENT and especially TOS you provide here much better explain its appearance on the Discovery. Thanks again!

  • @GaiaDblade
    @GaiaDblade 6 років тому +3

    I remember an episode of the original series that explained Kirk interacting with a race that sold/traded the advanced interactive holographic technology with the Federation.

  • @roseblight9892
    @roseblight9892 6 років тому

    So glad you compared ALL of the Star Trek series, including the animated ones from the 70's. So many people forget about that series or don't even know it existed in the first place.

  • @matthewtopping2061
    @matthewtopping2061 3 роки тому

    A sorely under-explored branch of Trek canon here on UA-cam. Excellent content.

  • @firemanjoe9491
    @firemanjoe9491 6 років тому

    Fantastic video! I’m glad you included the fact that some holograms gained self-awareness during the technology’s growth.

  • @arosenheim
    @arosenheim 6 років тому

    Great vid! Really satisfies the in-Prime-universe continuity question regarding holographic tech.

  • @RetroBerner
    @RetroBerner 6 років тому +14

    Great job, thanks man. How is Pacific 201 coming along?

  • @Foxxtronix
    @Foxxtronix 4 роки тому

    I was going to point out the use of the rec room on TAS, but you actually did cover that! Props for doing your research.

  • @Salisbury2015
    @Salisbury2015 6 років тому

    Great video. Really enjoyed this. I never realized holographic tech was already quite enmeshed in the Star Trek universe before and after Discovery.

  • @TREKontheTUBE
    @TREKontheTUBE 6 років тому +68

    And there it is ! I knew someone would release the video I didn't have time to do ;)
    Great stuff man. Mind if I link to this in my upcoming *DSC* review ?

    • @ECHenry
      @ECHenry  6 років тому +7

      +TREK on the TUBE go right ahead!

    • @TREKontheTUBE
      @TREKontheTUBE 6 років тому +7

      _EC Henry_
      Awesome. Thanks so much. I knew I'd have to make this video the moment I saw what they were doing on the episode but I also knew I'd never find the time ! You nailed it man :)
      Still wish they hadn't done it but you know... we Trekkies make it all work.

  • @Steve-hd6qk
    @Steve-hd6qk 6 років тому

    Amazing information... one day! Thanks for putting this together :)

  • @tparadox88
    @tparadox88 4 роки тому +1

    At some time over the course of TNG-VOY, tele-replicated matter animated by invisible tractor beams supplemented holographic light projection, presumably for physical interaction, but was phased out as microforcefield tech improved.

  • @franzhaas3712
    @franzhaas3712 6 років тому

    VERY WELL DONE. THIS WAS A VERY INFORMATIVE . LOOKING FORWARD TO YOUR OTHER VIDEO'S. LIVE LONG AND PROSPER.

  • @videogamepioneer6250
    @videogamepioneer6250 4 роки тому

    This video made the show palatable enough for me to make it through the rocky first half of season one, thank you. After that, I really started to enjoy the show.

  • @samihakemian
    @samihakemian 6 років тому

    Love these videos!! Keep up the geekery, good sir.

  • @kaydaryu
    @kaydaryu 6 років тому +18

    +EC Henry what about Shinzon's projection in Picard's ready room during Nemesis?

    • @vaska00762
      @vaska00762 6 років тому +9

      Likely Romulan technology, perhaps using an emitter that could send holographic images quite far away. Quite possible considering the holographic technology the Romulans possesed in the 22nd Century.

    • @Howyaduing
      @Howyaduing 6 років тому

      vaska00762 only much more advance

    • @pwnmeisterage
      @pwnmeisterage 6 років тому +1

      Romulan cloaking, holographic, and replicator technologies are more advanced than their Federation counterparts, I think. Which implies their computer and sensor technologies are equally advanced (assuming these things define limits in cloaking, holographic, and replicator abilities).
      And Shinzon may have had access to technologies which aren't necessarily representative of Romulan technologies overall. Just like Data is a positronic android, Voyager's EMH has a mobile emitter, Mirror Kirk uses the Tantalus Field device, etc, while the rest of the Federation (or Mirror Imperium) and Starfleet lacks these technologies.

  • @RealComp5
    @RealComp5 4 роки тому

    I like how you put (including discovery) in the title so real trekkies don't waste time watching this. Thanks. Just came here to say that.

  • @Comedy4cast
    @Comedy4cast 6 років тому +3

    Nicely done.

  • @dalemsilas8425
    @dalemsilas8425 6 років тому +3

    these videos are very well made they're always a delight to watch.

  • @DarthArachnious
    @DarthArachnious 6 років тому +1

    Seasons 1&2 of TNG featured desktop holo displays in a few episodes. Namely [the last outpost], [ Peak Performance] and [ the child].

  • @fluffycommander
    @fluffycommander 6 років тому

    Wow, that video was really good.

  • @megalopath
    @megalopath 6 років тому +2

    Great video! This feels a lot like how display technology has advanced to VR technologies like the HTC Vive and Oculus Rift. What I find most interesting however is how the technology seems to stagnate in Star Trek. These advancements are fairly incremental it seems and it makes me wonder if they are limited by their cashless society model.
    It seems clear that the people in Star Trek from Enterprise to Voyager were captivated by holographic technology, but what I would love to know is if the reason it was so slow to advance taking several hundred years would have to do with not seeing a need to be competitive to fulfill consumer demand. Assuming there are different corporation-like entities in the Federation, advertising doesn't seem to be present in the Federation at all, no marketing push whatsoever, which might actually make companies less inclined to in innovate.
    The Federation does at times seem to be somewhat Fascist as a government (while relatively benevolent with it's citizens), which makes me wonder if they would have developed faster under a different system. Not trying to offend anyone, I'm a big Star Trek fan myself, this just seems like the type of topic that fits the show and seems to indicate a perhaps bigger story and very interesting story to the United Federation of Planets than what we know.

    • @stealthbrandon
      @stealthbrandon 4 роки тому +1

      Don't know if it called it fascit there just a culture that doesn't really use consumerism and capatalism , There many culture before the advent of agriculture that got by for thousands of years without money , Wouldn't describe these culture as oppressive , they didn't have slavery . Rarely fought wars and never fought wars on the level of modern or agricultural . It more there probably of a lack of intrest in it , it already super hyper real what more do you need ?

    • @KairuHakubi
      @KairuHakubi 4 роки тому +1

      What's most amazing to me is how everything is referred to as holograms, holograms can do this or that, 'it's just light', photonic this, photonic that...
      when the LIGHT part is nothing. we've had the ability to build pretty images for a century before star trek.
      the amazing part is the INTERACTIVE FORCEFIELDS. the ability for a computer to make a resistant barrier that can reshape itself to whatever it needs to be.. why would anyone ever go fight as soldiers with guns anymore, when you could just deploy a forcefield emitter? screw the photons, it's scarier if it's invisible. just all enemies get instantly immobilized and disarmed (or worse, if you're one of the nasty societies). there are SO MANY THINGS adaptive forcefields could do to help them in everyday life. I remember when they showed us a bunch of little Robert Picardos doing mining, and i'm like WHY WOULD YOU RUN THE COMPUTER PROGRAM PART? the part that gives them thoughts and feelings and a face? Just use the forcefield part and drive sharp pieces of forcefield into the rocks.

    • @megalopath
      @megalopath 4 роки тому

      @@KairuHakubi That's a pretty good point, that force-field tech is beyond next level. That might explain why the holograms are so difficult to produce outside of a dedicated room. Then of course, if force field tech is this advanced why do they never seem to use it during the dominion war. Imagine the force fields being use to cut apart entire armies of Jem Hadar for instance using just a few generators.

  • @TheRamrod3001
    @TheRamrod3001 6 років тому

    Awesome video

  • @andreos2004
    @andreos2004 6 років тому

    Great video! Would you consider including discussion Hologram human marital relations as seen in the last episode of ST:Voyager?

  • @danielshottopics8187
    @danielshottopics8187 6 років тому

    That was fascinating.

  • @marqvanpopering9873
    @marqvanpopering9873 Рік тому

    My favorite holodeck line:
    Captain, there's a minor power fluctuation in holodeck 2. Casualties? 26, reports are still coming in.
    I don't think the tech is quite ready.

  • @talideon
    @talideon 6 років тому +3

    Except Discovery's 'holodeck' is a TNG-style holodeck. Which is a bit of a problem, because they don't have the physical area to do a holoprojection that big or that realistically.
    They really ought to have made the 'holograms' less perfect. For the period, the projections ought to be somewhat ghostly. Which isn't to say that something occluded by a wall ought to be visible, but that it shouldn't have been as real. I mean, the realism of the simulation was one of the things they made a big deal of in the very first TNG episode, so providing a realistic holodeck in Discovery is a misstep.
    At this point, I'm hoping that they're going to lean on the whole 'mirror universe' thing to explain the technological and continuity discrepancies between what *is* in the prime timeline and what *ought* to be. It could be that the reason for *a* (note the choice of article) mirror universe's divergence was that technological progression went too fast there, leading to a partial collapse and subsequent stagnation and eventual acceleration. Thus the 'mirror universe' hasn't necessarily always been the same one, but always one that has taken a darker turn at an earlier time in history for some reason.

    • @lu-dx6oh
      @lu-dx6oh 6 років тому

      theres a theory that discovery is section 31 thats why they have more advanced technology and everyone in the crew is sort of a dick to each other instead of friends

    • @Zlogical1
      @Zlogical1 5 років тому

      Not really I can see right through those Klingons on DSC. Not so on TNG. Also the ones on DSC don't look like they can hurt you.

    • @thanhavictus
      @thanhavictus 5 років тому

      You can interpret the realism as a metric of feel rather than resolution fidelity. TNG simulated the feel and senses of various objects, where's Discovery could have had forcefield so the projections would have felt very noticably artificial if you were there IRL.

  • @jimdigitalvideo
    @jimdigitalvideo 6 років тому

    Thanks for the clip and the hologram info. I always liked the holodeck. I'd always assumed there were holodecks back in Kirk's time but they were more primitive and didn't look real. Also back then people could walk into the wall in a holodeck if they weren't careful.I remember the animated version of ST:TOS you showed but I assumed it was 'non canon' as I believe Kirk's Enterprise didn't have holodecks that advanced yet.

  • @KJYKJY1985
    @KJYKJY1985 6 років тому +1

    4:46 A much more likely explanation is that the writers of _Discovery_ simply hadn't seen that episode of _Deep Space 9._

  • @factotums
    @factotums 6 років тому

    As for real world holograms it might be a hidden benefit to the recent upsurge in filming with 3d cameras that if and when photorealistic hologram technology becomes viable you could probably do an easy convert to actually immersive movie theaters. It would definitely be a way to get people to buy tickets so I'd hope some media outlet has a holodeck style prototype in some building somewhere.

  • @jwillc
    @jwillc 5 років тому

    What about particle synthesis? From the episode with the disguised slipstream ship, I cannot remember the episode name nor want to look it up

  • @drno_krk
    @drno_krk 6 років тому

    good one

  • @addman
    @addman 6 років тому

    +EC Henry What about the holographic Ablative armor in VOY: "Endgame"? or the "particle synthesis" in (VOY: "Hope and Fear")

  • @TheMrPeteChannel
    @TheMrPeteChannel 6 років тому +1

    You sir make the canon work!

  • @Daniel-Strain
    @Daniel-Strain 5 років тому

    Yes, we must remember that whether or not a tech *exists* is a different question as to whether or not it exists on particular starships, or if the Federation deems the tech necessary or a waste of resources. Car phones "existed" in the 1950s.

  • @dextrian
    @dextrian 6 років тому

    Great engineering approach to explain how the technology evolve, much like real life. Like , 1st phone was from 1840~1850... 177 years ago. Cellphones , are from 1950 ... take 100 years to that... and here we are , 67 years later. waiting for the pos smartphone era.

  • @Takegat
    @Takegat 6 років тому

    If I think about outfitting a whole starship with holoemitters, Starfleet could utilize holographic engineering and security teams which could be a faster as well as more efficient way to cope with boarding and damage control.

  • @archmagefrey
    @archmagefrey 6 років тому

    I could be mistaken, maybe I am thinking about the books, but weren't there a couple of occasions where they were able to create and project fake ships into space in order to trick the enemy into thinking reinforcements had arrived? There were also the incidents from Voyager with the Hirogen where they took over Voyager and later when Voyager gave them the means to create a race of holographic beings. I guess there is less federation based and more to do with artificial intelligence anyway.

  • @Arthus850
    @Arthus850 6 років тому +1

    The fan show Star Trek Continues actually puts a prototype version of the TNG holodeck onto the Enterprise 1701, making it Scotty's invention which he hopes to be a breakthrough in holographic technology.

    • @mshnman
      @mshnman 6 років тому

      Good catch. I think the STC team read the same thing I did when writing about that room. Gene was planning on it in the third or forth season, but there were budget issues that prevented it, and of course no fourth season. So this was long time coming, to wait until the first episode of TNG to introduce it.

    • @TheSligstar
      @TheSligstar 6 років тому

      A version of the Holodeck was first shown in The Animated series, The episode was (the Practical Joker). memory-alpha.wikia.com/wiki/The_Practical_Joker_(episode)

  • @Aleksandar6ix
    @Aleksandar6ix 6 років тому

    Thank you so much!! Until I saw this, I was questioning the place of the holo simulation on Discovery. On a side note - I just watched the first episode of Orville for the 2nd time: in the lab, when speaking of the modified redwood seeds it was said that they were modified using TARTIGRADE DNA!!!! Interesting, that such a coincidence exists!

  • @oarking
    @oarking 6 років тому

    You missed the Aenar's holographic projection in the same episode with the Romulan prototype ship.

  • @intarc0giotto
    @intarc0giotto 6 років тому

    what about the mobile holo emitter of the doctor from voyager that was from the 24th centuary.?

  • @karels149
    @karels149 6 років тому

    Next, you should look at linking the Cosmic Spores from DSC with the plot of the TNG episode, The Chase. I feel like they would work well together. Unless you have a different idea

  • @JEMHull-gf9el
    @JEMHull-gf9el 6 років тому

    EC why does that president from (is it undiscovered country?) look so similar to a klingon. Is there an interesting back story there?

  • @amichaelthomas83
    @amichaelthomas83 3 роки тому

    Well, this needs updating

  • @obrecht72
    @obrecht72 6 років тому

    What was the Voyager episode where there was a mining project that used holo personal to do "slave labor" and the doctor had something to do with freeing them? Or something like that. It's been a while for me.

  • @classicforreal
    @classicforreal 6 років тому

    "Starships using the EMH only equipped sickbay with holoemitters" if you go back and watch Caretaker, they actually say Voyager was equipped with holoemitters throughout the ship, but most of these outside of Sickbay got irreparably damaged during the Caretaker events that brought them to the Delta quadrant

  • @tommkone
    @tommkone 5 років тому +1

    On Discovery they just think they are moving through &/or exploring the galaxy, but it's just that magic mushroom stuff jacking with their minds!

  • @ortzinator
    @ortzinator 6 років тому +1

    I really don't understand the logic of "it wasn't shown on screen therefore it didn't exist" that a lot of Trek fans seem to have.

    • @DaraGaming42
      @DaraGaming42 5 років тому

      thats sci fi fandom in a nutshell

  • @insertanynameyouwant5311
    @insertanynameyouwant5311 5 років тому

    I don`t approve how Romulans used their holographic ships, but from technical point of view that was genius, most advanced thing of that time

  • @adilator
    @adilator 6 років тому

    Do you have a video on how the economy without money works in federation?

  • @jvdybsjnsjh
    @jvdybsjnsjh 2 роки тому +1

    why is this and so many other videos in 360p???

  • @archentity
    @archentity 6 років тому

    2:56 I have never noticed this O_O mind blown...

  • @nancyomalley6441
    @nancyomalley6441 6 років тому

    Why didn't you show scenes from "Our Man Bashir"?

  • @Foebane72
    @Foebane72 6 років тому

    Why no mention of the EMH's mobile emitter?

  • @enterprise-h312
    @enterprise-h312 6 років тому

    I was thinking about the Talosians. What is the point of General Order 7 if Starfleet already has holodecks?

  • @arklestudios
    @arklestudios 6 років тому

    I'm glad I watched this, actually. That scene on Discovery doesn't bother me quite so much now when you frame it this way. Not that it bugged me a ton, mind you, I'm not *THAT* much of a stickler for continuity (if I was I'd never enjoy ANYTHING, ever), but it was a tadge distracting.

  • @permeus2nd
    @permeus2nd 5 років тому +4

    I can’t help but remember the episode of DS9 when they have a hard time getting full holographic displays (so it looks like the person is really standing there) working on the bridge of the defiant and they talk like that is a new thing that the couldn’t get working before, this is one reason why I personally hate it that Star Trek keeps going backwards in time for its new shows, each time they do they make more inconsistencies.
    Just set story’s after The dominion war and voyager gets back.

  • @bertrandkesper4195
    @bertrandkesper4195 3 роки тому +1

    Is there an explanation on why you can move into any direction for as long as you whish on a Holodeck?

    • @voltronimusprime3833
      @voltronimusprime3833 3 роки тому

      To my memory it works by very subtly moving the image in such a way that it tricks your brain into thinking you're walking in a straight line, when in reality you're walking in circles.

  • @fresh_knacker6226
    @fresh_knacker6226 5 років тому

    I love this explenation for the holo stuff in discovery ... if i get more of these kanon binding explenations for all the other things this show messed up i might finally get myself to watching it without puking

  • @WiseWeeabo
    @WiseWeeabo 2 роки тому +1

    I really enjoyed that fully-holographic city with holographic people and all.
    They brought that up again kinda in discovery with the kid living in that weirdo cave place with holopals

  • @jasonvarner1041
    @jasonvarner1041 5 років тому

    Thank you I now under stand the halo communication in Star Trek Discovery.

  • @Cup_70
    @Cup_70 5 років тому +1

    Why is this video only in 360p?

  • @enterprise-h312
    @enterprise-h312 6 років тому +3

    1:13 That part never made any sense to me. If the Vulcans' holography is as old as the Dominion they should be so advanced in this particular field that they could have defeated the Dominion through their use of the V'Shar alone.
    2:10 You appear to have glossed over one critical piece of information here, the holocommunicators in Discovery appear to act like isomorphic projections in the regard that Sarek could lean on a table present at Michael’s location. This is on the level of technology which Shinzon used, though that one could apparently also be used to project through a starship’s hull.

    • @NihilusShadow
      @NihilusShadow 5 років тому

      The Vulcans were advanced 2000 years prior to the episode, but that was also the time they destroyed their civilization with nuclear war. They had to rebuild their society after that.

    • @stealthbrandon
      @stealthbrandon 4 роки тому

      civilization development isn't uniformed if you look at real history (Dark age Europe was garabage ) compared to Rome and Greece or CHINA . So the fall of rome was a step back.

  • @bruceli9094
    @bruceli9094 2 роки тому

    Suddenly my new 8k OLED Tv seems outdated lol

  • @johnrickard8512
    @johnrickard8512 6 років тому

    Makes sense that a holographic doctor would come up with such a novel use of the technology.

  • @MisterRorschach90
    @MisterRorschach90 5 років тому

    Leaving out future tech

  • @zacharyfett2491
    @zacharyfett2491 6 років тому

    You mean, Red Forman.
    Edit: Also, we currently have very real VR technology. It's not outlandish to assume that Star Trek type VR tech wouldn't be far away.

  • @DocPicklez
    @DocPicklez 6 років тому +1

    I like it, BUT!
    Please help me explain to my Brain how in Discovery the Holograms interact with the environment as though they are in some sort of simulation. Reference Sarek and Michael talking in the pilot. @35min 10sec into the episode they have a conversation via subspace hologram communication during which Sarek sits on her desk.

    • @ECHenry
      @ECHenry  6 років тому +1

      +DocPicklez I think it’s likely that Vulcan tech is better and more immersive, and on Sarek’s end, he has a tactile holographic simulation of Michael’s room that he can interact with.

  • @technewsbyseven1240
    @technewsbyseven1240 6 років тому

    And what about doctors mobile holoemitor from 29th century?

  • @starleigh6680
    @starleigh6680 3 роки тому

    YAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHH -picard on the holodeck

  • @nonstopneon5025
    @nonstopneon5025 5 років тому

    What about the mobile emitter?

  • @MattJohno2
    @MattJohno2 3 роки тому

    Well, in real life we already have incredibly basic holograms. I heard there's even one that you can touch now.

  • @TimThomason
    @TimThomason 6 років тому

    The Klingons may have gotten some of their holographic technology from the Xyrillians, who were supposed to "share" it with them at the conclusion of Unexpected. It's possible that the Federation later regained this technology from them again at some point prior to 2256. Although the Klingons may have made poor holoprogrammers, and the technology could've been mostly abandoned in their 100 years of internal conflict between Enterprise and Discovery.
    In fact, now that I think about it, perhaps the Xyrillians are where the Klingons got their cloaking technology (they use a form of cloaking in the episode). I dread to think of what the Klingons did to all the poor souls on that Xyrillian ship (including Trip's daughter), after Enterprise went on its merry way.

  • @turkeypedal
    @turkeypedal 6 років тому +17

    The problem I have is that the Discovery tech is more advanced than the TOS and TAS tech. The TAS tech explicitly uses sound tapes. It uses the environmental controls. It is environments projected in the room, without the people or objects.
    And they don't get holograms to communicate with each other until the movies and then DS9. Heck, it's one of the things that made Nemesis look like they were mimicking Star Wars instead of Star Trek.

    • @RowanJColeman
      @RowanJColeman 6 років тому +20

      The video literally shows you examples of holographic tech in TOS

    • @Uhohoreo
      @Uhohoreo 6 років тому +12

      Jeez it’s like he didn’t even watch the video. The holograms we see in Discovery are literally just holograms. The means in which they used the simulator is just a more advanced shootem drill that they had in ENT. There was no integration of matter replication and force fields. Or complex interactive and AI. So chill that they didn’t want to make a Star Trek show without holograms. This isn’t the 1960’s anymore. Cheap sets and bad special effects will have the show canceled immediately

    • @lizardmilk
      @lizardmilk 6 років тому +10

      turkeypedal to stay consistent with TOS wound be absurd. TOS tech is less advanced than my cellphone.

    • @Foebane72
      @Foebane72 6 років тому +1

      Tapes? You mean those pieces of coloured plastic they just slot into holes like an intelligence test? LOL!

    • @richardashton5015
      @richardashton5015 6 років тому +2

      Albert Rivera correct but that was the tec in classic trek. If you don't like it and think it is dated why did CBS do the show pre classic trek. Knowing for well that it should match it for cannon. If they want it more advanced than do the show after ds9 of nemesis?

  • @thomasthetans
    @thomasthetans 6 років тому

    You forgot to explain the doctors holobadge thingy on his arm.

  • @gorazdnovsak3705
    @gorazdnovsak3705 6 років тому

    What about doctor mobile emiter?

  • @Rexs_Den
    @Rexs_Den 6 років тому

    That wasn't "as far as we know". We know that holo-tech developed into portable/wearable emitters far past Voyager's time-line. (Possibly as a result of 'self-fulfilling paradox' since one from the future made it into the past. It always bothered me that Braxton never took that away from them.)

  • @insanehippiehippieinsane3828
    @insanehippiehippieinsane3828 6 років тому

    It still is not Star Trek to me. The best and kindest way I can put it is just like the new live action Ghost In The Shell movie. It is simply a Shell Without A Ghost.

  • @captianjessie1
    @captianjessie1 6 років тому

    How was holigraphic technolog was used on the uss pacifica 201?

    • @ECHenry
      @ECHenry  6 років тому

      +captianjessie1 we very subtly reference holographic technology in the end of “Down to Earth with Zach Jasper” - check it out on our Pacific 201 channel.

  • @Ser_Redshirt
    @Ser_Redshirt 3 роки тому

    You need to update this Post-Discovery Season 3

  • @Liglerian
    @Liglerian 5 років тому

    Fully enjoyed this video. Thank you. I’d love to live in a time where this is a possibility hahahahahahahahahahahahaha

  • @r1nc3w1nd7
    @r1nc3w1nd7 6 років тому

    LOOOK! All holograms have been a development of humanitys ongoing quest for yet another hole to plunder.

  • @ShyRaven2161
    @ShyRaven2161 6 років тому

    The leaps in technological advancement aren't that large though, if you consider the huge amount of time that passes.

  • @r1nc3w1nd7
    @r1nc3w1nd7 6 років тому

    Let's not forget the Q-deck with pigboy soldiers, or maybe the astronauts dodgy book based deck complete with a casino.

  • @wjscottiii
    @wjscottiii 6 років тому +4

    Finally someone gets it!