The Awful Holograms in Star Trek: Picard
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- Опубліковано 14 жов 2024
- Star Trek: Picard might think it's giving us imaginative vision of the future, but with its hologram displays, it's giving us a generic and ultimately cliche visual style that is interchangeable with virtually every other modern sci-fi.
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/ echenry
'You can find dozens of stock clips...'
Funnily enough, Star Trek: Picard did use clips from Shutterstock 😏
Yeah I saw that too!
Still don’t know how they could do that.😢
when was that? i missed it
The robot apocalypse scene was just shutterstock clips with starfleet insignias lazily plastered on top of the robots.
I've heard of low effort, but cheesus.
3D technology in Star Trek was like Powerpoint: it was basically to present information clearly. Now, it's like controlling your starship... with MS Powerpoint.
Please god no, that would be unbearable to drive!
You just wonderfully articulated a thought that's been nagging in my head since I watched Picard. Thank you.
yes!!!!!!!
my subconscious got fucked!
Never saw it this way lol
@@fuchs5840 a
You took the words right out of my mouth.
This is what happens when fanboys ask for a story thats already told...you get garbage like Picard, discovery or that stupid cartoon
It made me laugh when you bring up about everything in the bridge being holographic, even seats, so I imagined if their starship gets a direct hit and holo emitters stops working everyone just falls with no control to recover whatsoever 😁😁😂😂😅
So *that's* why they insist on having the holodeck on a redundant, independent power system.
“This is the kind of technology that, if it existed, would disappear almost immediately”
So... Google Glass...
Glass was effectively a glorified head-mounted proto-smartwatch
The actual startup: www.magicleap.com/en-us
Maybe that's we don't see it after Discovery LOL
Sadly
Glass is actually still around! It's being used in the market that was always supposed to be its primary focus: commercial stuff, like in factories and r&d facilities. The latest version came out about a year ago, and it seems they will launch an upgrade every 2 years or so. While the original Glass deserved all the criticism it got, the newer ones seem to have found a happy little niche for themselves.
Okay, I've flown all types of planes for 10 years. I worked with people who create displays for real aircraft and I've worked in graphics myself since high school, and I can tell you...after an 8 hour day you would have a headache after an 8 hour shift, and you'd be ready to shoot this thing after a 40 hour work week. Its not even 508 compliant by today's standards, with all the biologies in the 24th century, this is impossible. Your idea is far better, and they've used that concept in several episodes, although it was always on the holodeck. But I know what Paramount and Kutrzman era Trek is going for...hollo displays are cheap and don't require prop builders. That cuts on development time and money, like you outlined, and it can look like every other freaking scifi show out there and conform rather than define itself. Everything else ether requires expensive props or real imagination.
yeah, as far as input on a regular computer, I prefer a keyboard where I can touch type while my eyes take a rest. The car radios with buttons are much better for many purposes because you don't have to look at the screen to change the volume. Also, for some purposes a smart phone and other devices are great, but using them all the time will destroy people's sight... love using a dual screen monitor with good ergonomics and screen height to avoid spine bending also.
love your idea of picard choosing a star fleet console!
That wouldve been awesome, we'd get to see Picard pull off some good manuvers because he's using something he knows.
The Picard maneuver!.... Oh wait.....
This is why it was such a bad move for them to not bring back the old designers like Mike Okuda, Doug Drexler etc for the new Trek shows.
Why bother when you can make it lazy, cheap and soulless instead?
For me one of the worst offenders were the replicators in ST: Picard - they used actual 3D printers as replicator props. It could be a funny easter egg if they did it once, but they actually did it multiple times and they didn't even bother to remove the insides - in one scene they did remove the print head, but in the other they left a complete 3D printer. Also the 3D printers had doors whereas the replicators in Star Trek never had any - it's like the technology in ST: Picard regressed a couple of hundred years.
Star Trek: Picard is a generic, lame Sci-Fi show.
Did they bring anyone back besides Eaves?
@@kirkkerman I just looked through the art dept credits on IMDb & John Eaves was the only name I recognised from previous Trek.
Most of the former Star Trek people work on The Orville (like Doug Drexler who joined the crew last year).
Because they gave us Enterprise which was cancelled and Nemesis which bombed at the box office. 17 years of sameness will do that.
This is just a symptom of the larger issues with both Discovery and Picard. Neither care about established lore, canon or progression instead opting for the "oooooohhhh fuuuuture" effect. Say what you will about Enterprise, but it didn't do this. It did break established canon and progression at different points, but it never sacrificed the feel of the Star Trek Universe for flashy sci-fi things. This is part of the reason Enterprise works so well as a bridge between our world and the Star Trek Universe.
That's why Discovery had to fuck off 900 years into the future, just so they could get away with destroying canon. They will still find a way though I bet
I've been saying this for a while now. I didnt really love Enterprise, but at the very least you could tell that someone making that show loved the Star Trek universe. They went to great lengths to make their technology look like it could reasonably evolve into TOS tech.
Uhura had an earpiece so Hoshi had an ear piece not some cochlear implant that uploaded the transmission straight into her brain.
Spock used the periscope binocular thing on the bridge, so they gave T'Pol one as well.
I will say what I will about Enterprise. I loved it. I'm pissed that it got cancelled just as it was getting really good.
@@3Rayfire I loved it too. Im glad that this new trek is leading some to reevaluate it.
@@BigBennKlingon it has been a long slog getting people to respect Archer and Crew. Why can't Manny Coto be in charge?
I love the idea of holographically created consoles. That'd been so damn cool and fitting for the universe. It'd be a ship where you can go "Science station!" and the helm turns into one. That'd be rad AF.
That actually passed my head until now.
That retro holo controls looks like something Tom Paris would enjoy. Also, the holographic control console you describe takes the concept of the TNG LCARS concept of being easily customized and reconfigured to the next logical step. Especially since, while not on Starfleet vessels, in Voyager there have been examples of holographic controls used to disguise or rearrange existing consoles.
That was basically the Holodeck's hard light constructs concept. It was not "everything is the holodeck".
Yep, Paris could have Captain Proton controls at the helm.
Oh no, the holoemitters have failed and we can't control the ship!
@@notspacekeeper Then you use the emergency physical controls located under a panel in the floor which you open and pull up...
Like a hidden joystick for manual helm control? memory-alpha.fandom.com/wiki/Manual_steering_column
So annoying that all this tech exists in the lore, and they went with the IRON MAN look. Love marvel and ironman, but this is supposed to be Star Trek not the MCU.
There could even be an exchange after wher Picard say's impressed.
_"So. This is the future."_
And the captain responds.
_"This is the present. Welcome back."_
This is an underrated comment
That is actually really good!
Great idea. Then later when
Rios catching Picard gawking again Picard says "What? ...Well I am very old" then mumbles as he turns away "Im still a better pilot though" Rios' eyes flash incredulity and a hint of wonder at Picard's back
Why can’t cbs hire you at least you know the franchise
Because he would probably spend too much of their precious cash getting things right
CBS doesn't want a star trek show, they want "the Avengers". a recognizeable action scifi franchise.
This dumb schlocky trash has absolutely nothing to do with real Star Trek. An abomination made by morons for morons.
At least Roddenberry wasn’t around to witness his creation be reduced to a complete dumpster fire.
Because Lucasfilm needs to hire him instead!
Because he's not black
What amazes me is how absolutely EVERYONE has more creativity than the people actually doing these shows
Some people can only destroy. Unfortunately, these same people are the majority in charge. And some of this blame falls on the consumers who continue to eat it up. (Well, not so much for Star Trek: Picard, but you know what I mean.)
Damn
The least they could have done- is at least match the visual style of Star Trek UIs.
I mean LCARS pretty much served as the inspiration for real world GUI design. Its inspiration formed reality, qnd instead of it, we get generic mass effect clone no. 297.
To be fair:
A) His ship is privately-owned. The manufacturer may use a proprietary UI that’s different from Starfleet’s UI.
B) Being holographic, he can likely customize his own UI. Like a Linux desktop environment.
i love that scene in Voyager where the Doctor (for reason) is explaining to tom how holographic technology works, The Doctor switches of his magnetic imagers and toms hand passes through him and when he reactivated his magnetic imager (becomes solid) , he then Slaps tom square in the face LOL to prove his point. Brilliant
Thats why I would rather want a solid control panel like on the original Enterprise it's just the simplest yet most effective for the vessel it's designed for.
It's also conveniently full of rocks that can burst out when your ship takes a hit.
I do miss the colourful squares on the consoles instaid of all the augmented reality stuff
@@Isteak80 I was talking about the 68 series Enterprise not the class-D Enterprise
@Qwerty Bastard indeed that would just be sad to watch...but u imagine like a last ditch game changer master control for the captain or the pilot that pulls out a old fashion joy stick and some other high tech hard wear
@Qwerty Bastard If the power was out you couldn't control your ship anyway.
They finally did something like some of what is suggested here. Prodigy ep13, "All the World's a Stage", has the USS Protostar create a holographic TOS Constitution class bridge overlay ("Computer, load Constitution class holoconsole, mid 23rd-century. Translate command input to the Protostar's helm.") to allow a group of people familiar with that look (due to cultural contamination) control the ship.
Holograms CAN be done right in sci-fi
just look at how The Expanse handles them. They use hybrid displays. You see holograms a lot, but the 2D LCD screens are clearly there to stay. Because they are the only ones that render raster images
Videos and photos will ALWAYS be on displays. The holographic displays can only render vector graphics and wireframes which are reserved for extra menus, text and small buttons as to not lose realestate on the main flat display and presumably to prevent them from getting smudged from people touching them all the time.
They're also used pretty sparingly, only in situations where visualising 3D space is of prime importance, like for plotting efficient routes using gravity assists and there's a scene where Alex gets bored waiting on the ship and throws something in 0G across the main hologram and you can see it gradually get interrupted in a realistic way.
( this isn't explained explicitly but based on how holograms work in real life there's a technology where you use a lot of tiny lasers and adaptive optics mirrors to superheat a minuscule region of air so hot it becomes a plasma but for an absolutely tiny amount of time something like 10^-something seconds and it glows for an instant then it goes to superheat the next region of air and the image gets formed by your eye exploiting image persistence like CRT screens. you can actually touch the hologram and you don't even feel anything because although the temperature is really high, the amount of thermal energy is so small it would instantly get diffused into the nearby molecules of air so to your hand it makes no difference but when your hand gets close the light will reflect off of it and by measuring the amount of light coming back at every instant you can tell exactly where something touched the rendered parts of the hologram by knowing which cycle it intercepted )
In the anime Martian Successor Nadesico holoscreens are used only. Terminals are used primarily but holograms are display only.
There is a scene in the books where avarsarla has a meeting on luna in a room with a big holographic table at the center and she say that it look impressive but isn t practical
Using the expanse as a case study is cheating, because the expanse is perfect.
@@nines3048 < unpopular opinion > I don't think it's perfect, I actually don't like the whole aliens and protomolecule funny business. Call me indoctrinated by Isaac Arthur, but I find the realism of mankind's expansion into space and the drama that ensues to be THE SHIT. I mean there's just soooooo much stuff you could do within that context, from a storytelling perspective that I feel that plot narrative is, well unnecessary, shall I say ?
I mean I can't blame the authors because it's like complaining GOT should be a more accurate depiction of medieval life and the whole ice zombies and dragons are bullshit and you could use the social systems within the GOT universe to drive forward all plot drama ... but then ... who would watch that amirite ? _( just an analogy since I haven't watched a single episode of GOT )_
While it's cool that the expanse gives us this "oh, what does humanity do when facing the unknown" , but we also get this dynamic in places like Star Trek etc. I mean part of me feels like such amazing detail was put into making a show based entirely on the realism of space and then they introduce magic ancient aliens ( I feel sorry for saying this but doesn't that seem like a waste ? )
But I mean I can't complain about that since the show did almost get cancelled and us nerds can't constitute a target demographic for a TV show all by ourselves
@@wykius1 what do you mean by that ?
Thank you, Ive worked on many SciFis and I always complain about transparent holograms and worse transparent phones/ipad-types/monitors. They'd suck to use.
Pause at 3:03 and look at the right side of the Hologramm!
IS THAT A CHAT FROM BATTLEFIELD 4?!
Oh son of a gun that's good
Lol… It’s the CNBC design aesthetic… “So, Jean Lu, do you think the market is going to top 12 trillion today?” Star Trek Picard stole from everything and manage to do it half as good, or twice as bad. Its too bad they don’t have any deep thinkers working on Star Trek at CBS/Secret Hideaway.
*sits at plain looking console*
"Helm ON"
*holographic helmet slides into existence*
Transparent overlays do make sense for heads-up-displays - some kind of helmet, glasses, whatever.
Of course if you have the tech to make these displays holographic then you don't need HUD paraphernalia anyhow.
@@pwnmeisterage But the aesthetic
I like the twist The Orville put on it, with the semi-translucent "backs" of the holograms and using them more as touchscreens than just the entire interface. That feels a lot more practical and Trek-like.
The only way i could see these types of holograms work is as some kind of AR. Like angles displayed over joysticks, markers over enemy ships, some kind of speed/direction indicator. But not as a screen replacement.
This. Use holograms like these to represent a shipwide instant messaging system, a heads up display, or systems designed to be backdropped onto space. Something like that. But then add on with more physical systems. So Picard can use his classic monitors, or another captain can use a different setup. Use the captain's chair to give personality to the leader.
I could even see them as screen replacement... when the information it's representing is itself 3D, like a tactical map or a 3D chart (e.g. a spectrograph). But I'd loathe to read text on a transparent floating hologram.
Agreed on all points, other than holographic chairs. Those need to be bolted down and physical, to act as safety system when ship loses power. For the 3D retro control scheme Rios uses, I could imagine a twin-stick setup with 2 6-DoF sticks, that can translate in 3 axes and rotate as per modern gaming sticks. Heck, for props, a kitbash of mil-sim flightsticks and VR hand controls could work.
Your take on future Trek holograms sounds more in line with Doug Drexler's interpretation of the Enterprise-J, e.g. the crew having a Bridge of the Day, frequently choosing one from a different era on a whim.
I love Drexler, but that sounds silly, though I basically disagree with all his designs decisions on the J.
@@3Rayfire It was intentional, though. His basic idea was to advance or extrapolate things to a point where you're questioning its feasibility.
@@BlueSatoshi he succeeded!
Oh man, seeing EC Henry nearing 100k subscribers is so cool after seeing the channel grow this past year.
Mass Effect universe for example uses "hard light" to create tactile control panels. They look like holograms but they are not holograms but created by "element zero" hardened photons.
You also had lighting in a lot of the game that wouldn't have made their control consoles hard to see if you were looking at it for an 8 hour shift.
I was about to point that out, you saved me the effort, a lot if the stuff you see isn't see through either, whenever there's a video on screen it literally just looks like a screen. Some of it is but afaik the whole point of that system is that you can make literally anything with it, so if you don't want any see through displays you can probably do that in the ME universe.
And the Omni-Blade is lit up for the user's convenience, because otherwise the blade is invisible. (Which actually reminds me of the explanation for the Particle Weapons in Gargoyles (Which featured most of the TNG cast), the laser was just for targeting, while the particle beam was invisible.)
Hardened photons sound like sci-fi tech. They also sound weird. You can't see photons that don't enter your eyes. That's the whole point behind seeing. It's just light projection. You can't really interact with it though. It just allows you to see stuff.
Mass Effect also had gloves and subdermal fingertip implants to allow tactile feedback sensation for holographic interactions.
I don’t like how they basically abandoned The LCARs displays..
Yeah, I saw some of them, and maybe they're trying to say it's a Starfleet OS, but honestly it's the hallmark of TNG visual language.
LCARS displays present their own problems particularly for piloting Starships. Ultimately TOS style was best.
@@Shapes_Quality_Control You mean knobs and buttons?
3Rayfire Yes. I think Henry or someone did a video on this topic in particular but for something as complex as piloting a ship through space hand eye coordination is important and actual physical response helps in that endeavor. This is why despite Tuvok’s objections, Paris’ joystick and knob style control panel on the Delta Flyer is part of why it handled so well. Paris talks a lot about “feeling the ship” he’s piloting or something like that. This is what he means.
@@Shapes_Quality_Control You mean Sulu's throttle. It's a fine balance. Much of a starship's maneuvering is computer controlled by an ftl processor, so the human element is less integral, though that seems to be different in small craft. You maneuver a fighter differently than a submarine after all.
This is one of the issues I have with the show. One thing to add to your points is that holograms in the TNG era (excluding holodeck matter holograms, I'm talking portable or desktop holograms) are opaque, yet somehow over time, the holograms went transparent in Picard, hell, even Discovery.
Transparent in holograms in discovery at least made sense since it was presumably earlier tech, heck they shouldnt have even had holodecks yet. It is strange how picard feels ealirer while discovery feels later.
@@Janx14 Holograms existed in the TOS era, even if they didn't explicitly say so. The Discovery holograms make sense to me and seem like a feature of the Discovery itself. When they show the Enterprise there's no hologram displays, so it seems they were trying them out on that one advanced science ship.
The Picard holograms look like a step backward from what we saw previously in TNG/DS9/VOY. Why do they look opaque and cartoonish? It would've made more sense to make them look solid. I like EC Henry's idea but even just having solid panel displays floating there would've been okay as well.
Except it's not a limitation - the EMH, ENH, ETH etc aren't transparent. Nor is Picard's holographic office. Obviously they _could_ do that if they want to - but the show designers decided their characters wouldn't want to.
You're idea about holograph interfaces at the end of the video!! ..GENIUS!! .. ABSOLUTE GENIUS!
I'm a huge trek nerd, And that idea excited me to no end. It is the most logical next step evolution ofStarship design as well as almost anything else in the star trek universe
Thank you. I wasn't the only one rolling my eyes so hard at this that they almost did 360s. The thing about using tactile holographic objects instead (like on the holodeck), that I wouldn't like either, is that if power gets knocked out to those projectors in a fight, all of a sudden your bridge control panels, (and even the seats you're sitting on per your suggestion), just disappear. Yes, sometimes those hard panels explode when an enemy loads the ship with a bunch of directed energy, but they've still got to be more reliable than a hologram. Just use hard, physical, re-configurable panels... like they do in STAR TREK. That would free the makers up to focus on other things, like stories that make sense in Star Trek, and characters that make sense (ya know, who don't bring a sword to every phaser fight, commit serial murders for revenge, and request euthanasia because it's human), and dialogue (I mean, not that "Will you bind your sword to my quest?" isn't great dialog for a 1983 DOS-based text adventure.)
your idea makes almost the most sense...
Honestly, I think even just making the holographic displays be essentially opaque floating LCARS screens would've been better. Having the holograms be essentially floating touchscreens. You wouldn't get that "cool" effect of viewing the actor from the other side of the display as they're using it, but you would've had something that made sense logically and that someone could use practically for any amount of time longer than 3 minutes.
It's a generic science fiction show that has Star Trek slapped on the cover.
Its like, someone took a Chinese Mobile Game....and re-skinned it into Diablo...
Thats what Discovery, and Picard felt like. Reskinned modern day action driven drivel with plot holes large enough that the Borg cant comprehend them.
It's a Star Trek themed D&D session, even including one player who really wanted to be an Elf despite the group having agreed to do a Star Trek theme (probably a younger kid who's father is playing Picard, so the DM agreed and had him be a "Romulan" with this crazy backstory to somehow fit him in, despite the fact he does nothing but fantasy Elf things). Cue the "hero character" cameos and remarkably fan fiction-y story and characterizations.
@@aethertech it's how a lot of older scifi feels when it getting new installments now. fortunatly we have gotten some new stuff
Also in the sound design. We went from the really characteristic sounds of warp drives or phasers to generic woshes and pew-pews.
Even the Core Concept has changed ! It is SO frustrating to watch Picard that I fast forwarded sections and finally stopped watching it, because I couldn't comprehend what I was seeing. If it needs at least four timelines for me to enjoy the franchise then something has gone VERY wrong !
The "floaty" nature of the holograms in PIC never bothered me much as I knew that Starfleet can generate a physical response to their projections, so the controls that Rios uses to pilot the ship did make some sort of sense: He would have something to rest his hands on as he flew.
However, this video really takes that line of thinking to its logical conclusion; together with the examples presented it now seems like a blatant missed opportunity as I look back on season one of PIC.
You're making too much sense.
Stop making sense.
"NOOO YOU CAN'T JUST USE COMMON SENSE TO SAY A SHOW IS BAD!"
"haha logic go brrr"
Cosgrove: "Cut it out."
_Stop making sense_ or you'll be _burning down the house_
@@EvanG529 Show is bad not a holo shits it
@@1monki I got a girlfriend who's better than that!
1:27 What she's doing here is like endless clicking the white area inside a blank page in Microsoft Word.
At first I loved the holograms. In episodes set in the future the characters bragged about how little "old and outdated" displays were used, like old Bashir in The Visitor or Future Janeway piloting with her brain in voyagers finale.
Then I realised how boring and standard they were compared to literally every other setting with future tech.
Love your work mate! You really added the Trek touch Picard felt lacking at times.
Your holographic bridge came true in Prodigy S1 E13!!!
holo chairs!?! "Captain the holographic matrix has taken heavy damage in that last attack" everyone falls on their ass, with 0 control over the ship and nowhere to sit
So you give them that VOY work-around that there's a separate power supply for the holo-chairs and consoles, and then you can use that for a story element as well. "My panel's still here, but the holo-matrix interface tech tech is shorting out."
It's no dumber than the deaths due to lack of seatbelts :)
@@vegetablearian_ Getting cut in half by said seat-belts due to massive deceleration spike is worse...
Considering that normal consoles are made out of explosive having no controles may be the better alternative.
well they don't go out then like the artificial gravity grid never goes out. problem solved.
Perfectly articulated. Many things about Picard feel like a first draft. Wish they took the time to think more about every aspect of this show and refine the ideas more, like you did with the holo controls.
the best use of this tech would be astromapping and navigation, because you need 3d representation when you travel in 3 dimensions.
The Expanse navigation hologramms are nailing it, the rest can go to the bin. (i mean the crappy lazy hologram stuff)
also you concept is straight up genious
Star Wars did that pretty well.
Your idea would be awesome and hilarious in a battle lol
The ship gets hit, loses power and everyone falls on the damn floor.. Picard would just look around like "Really? Lol idiots. This is why I use real chairs."
IIRC, the holographic consoles in Mass Effect at least incorporate force fields to give a bit of haptic feedback. I guess that would feel like your controls were on a floating pane of glass? I suspect that's also what's supposed to be going on with the consoles in Picard.
I am with you on the visual design and contrast/eye-strain issues, and I also feel like physical consoles give your actors more to work with. Ie, various TNG actors saying that they worked out a headcanon for what the various bits of the LCARS did so that their actions looked consistent.
I love this idea, and you could have instantly customizable consoles based upon personal preferences, training, and perfectly address the ergonomics of the individual behind the controls. No more awkward chair shifting and straining to reach something placed wrong.
The CBS writers don't care about Star Trek. They wanted to make a mediocre sci-fi show and happened to have the Star Trek license. Very disappointing.
They didn't *want* to make a mediocre show, they wanted to make a new version of their iconic franchise and hired the most overrated person possible to run it, and ended up with a mediocre vision of Star Trek.
It is a perfect example why copyright and IP laws are damaging to culture and should be reeled in. The notion that a faceless and soulless corporate entity can own pieces of cultural expression and underlying concepts is idiotic. While it is perfectly reasonable for an human author to reap the fruits of his/her labour for a couple of years, it must be underlined that nothing is created in a vacuum and their work at some point is indebted to those who came before. After a while, these expresions should be given back for the next generation (pun intended) to build on.
If you ever wander why culture is more and more reliant on reboots and rehashes rather than actual new material, this is the main problem.
A simple search will reveal countless videos like this that explain in detail what is wrong with a show while presenting amazing alternatives to improve it. Yet the talent and answers just sit there with no hope of ever being heard or picked up by studios despite the ideas being virtually free and creators being more dedicated than they deserve.
Why? Money that's why! Those HUDs are so widespread because of the cost.
fantastic ideas, fantastically articulated. still mixed on Picard, but you've helped me figure out why the art direction's more miss than hit for me
"1.8billion of the exact same ship warps in"
CBS : LOok sWIpS
Yesssss. Thank you, I agree so much with everything you said in this video, perfectly articulated. Visually it would look so much cooler to see a console or monitor that looks solid, floating in front of them. There's something to be said for visuals that look tangible. It adds a sense of realism.
re: impracticality - I've been saying this since I saw the effect in Minority Report, which at this point is almost 20 years old. Truly an uninspired choice for Star Trek.
No kidding! I clearly recalling seeing that scene and immediately thinking about how un-ergonomic it was. But people who make TV and movies thought it was cool and that's all they care about, so here we are.
My first sight of holo displays where in Martian Successor Nadesico but it was only screens. All the helm and other positions had terminals.
@@Harabeck
I enjoyed the holograms in Minority Report as did plenty of other moviegoers. If the audience rejected those scenes, then holographic interfaces wouldn't have become so popular.
@@Harabeck They work in minority report because it's near-future; those kind of interfaces are a natural extrapolation from our current technology (which isn't always ergonomic or efficient)
But Star Trek has a solidly established history and technology not based on modern trends
The first time modern cliche 'tech' bullshit annoyed me was in the game Astral Chain. I just WANTED to enjoy it, i want more fun beatemups like that, but those uninspired visuals were a HUGE turnoff.
We need more people like you. With original and unique ideas instead of the tired old ideas from the modern shows that make it seem like the people that made them would rather be doing something else.
Didn't Ensign Kim from the future say something like "I haven't used a 2D console in so long"? I probably mixed everything up but I know someone said that
Bashir said that.
"How did we ever manage?", says Bashir.
The "MuH pAnEl CoNtRoL bEtTeR" destroyed by literal lore.
In the 4th season TNG episode "The Nth Degree" Lt. Barclay was creating custom equipment on the fly in the holodeck to fix the Argus Array's reactors. He actually tells the computer how to build one of the pieces of equipment he needs.
This video: *exists*
Alan Kurtzman: “we don’t do that here”
Please, stop it. We, as Star Trek fans, are supposed to be smarter and better than all the half-wit cretins who regurgitate nonsensical memes all over UA-cam.
Goddamn you just blew my mind, you genius! I wish we had you on the shows payroll
Wait is EC admitting that modern star trek is a lazy rehash of other properties
:)
Yes.
He is making a specific critique and backing it up. Something you are incapable of lol.
Plok Klon I haven’t been keeping up with EC’s videos. Does he actually think this _Discovery/Picard_ Kurtzman era abomination garbage is actually... good? Is he finally coming to his senses and sees that the show is written by talentless hacks who don’t have a clue what Star Trek is about nor do they give a shit about the franchise? That it’s nothing more than dumbed-down edgy schlock with the Trek name slapped on, created to rake in cash from the dumb masses for some shitty streaming service?
@@DrewLSsix I was not making an argument
I was pointing out that someone who usually defends what other people see as trash
@@Gunnar001 no, it's just one critique
I guarantee you he likes Picard and discovery
Your holographic interface idea is really great. It offers so many possibilities for cool moments, callbacks, characterization and versatility depending on the plotline...
It's just another example of a squandered opportunity for a show developed and written by people who just don't care at all.
Once again you’ve used simple logic to masterfully update Star Trek to something worth watching again.
2010 era Sci Fi masquerading as Star Trek
If Picard is borrowing tropes from other sci fi its because its an acknowledgment that so much time has passed this could be some peoples first experience of star trek
I am so glad they managed to keep consistant with the look and feel of star wars technology(for the most part).. I'd loose my shit if they, for example, overhauled the millennium falcon in universe to have holographic displays and sleeker "more modern" looking interiors, so altogeth I am not star trek fan, I understand your frustration
Star Trek is set in Earth's future so audiences expect tech to advance by major leaps. By contrast, Star Wars is set in Earth's past and in another galaxy to boot. So, there is no expectation for SW tech to advance very fast.
Well that’s the great thing about Abrams. Like the bridge of the Enterprise in his films looked modern but very recognizably Star Trek. It would be hard to confuse Kelvin timeline assets for any other franchise. Even Discovery would be hard to confuse for other series. Picard however.... ehhhhhh......
We even see how targeting displays changed in The Force Awakens. The Falcon still has the 70s style geometric vector display while the First Order TIE Fighters have modernized screens with a much higher framerate. The difference in technology between these ships of different eras makes the universe feel more real. It's just too bad that the technology creep got too far in the following movies.
Star Wars is literally caveman level tech in terms of any kind of advanced computing.
Fookin’ pure GENIUS from 3:30 on! I’d LOVE to see that idea come to fruition!!
That’s just the LCARS modularity concept taken up to eleven. AS IT SHOULD BE.
Precisely! every iteration of star trek has had a slightly different look in terms of consoles and interfaces, the classic TNG style LCARS look was ubiquitous for a while because the 3 90's series were set in the same era
@@katakisLives tbh LCARS was still in the show, just only in Starfleet installations, which La Sirena was not (except when he space-SSH'd to look at old screengrabs of Hugh). Picard also used something other than LCARS in _Family_, in his brother's house.
@@kaitlyn__L lcars is kinda like the windows of Starfleet we see it when interfacing with Starfleet databases and on vessels it's interesting that the holographic lcars was hinted at in an episode of ds9 when a future Bashir talked about being no longer used to physical interfaces
You put more thought into this than the writers of discovery and picard ever did
I miss LCARS.. 😞
LCARS still exists just not on this non starfleet ship LCARS is like Federation Windows
"Why not holographic chairs?" Because people would object to having their bums slamming on the floor during a power outage.
You are flying a tin can at relitivistic speeds. Actually losing all power to the bridge would probably mean so much damage its certain death. There would be no such thing as manual in a spaceship that advanced. Except for like an emergency door release handle so you can evacuate or get to a damaged area you need to fix.
and star trek DID give us 'the manual overrides aren't working' so...
Star Trek Picard really didn't feel like star trek that much, I know it had Picard and 7 of 9 and hugh and anyone else, but it just didn't really feel like the story line, it had amazing graphics and everything but it felt weird
@Xeno Phon and you have just perfectly described the entire mission of everyone associated with Bad Robot. Litterally everything theyve worked on is a confused mess of 12 different plots that dont finish. Into Darkness, BvS, RoS, Picard
...the graphics were not that amazing, it had its moments but it also had quite a bunch of "did they run out of money?"-moments.
KNIFEGUY1701 They utterly butchered those characters. The Picard and Seven seen in actual Star Trek weren’t in this trash show at all.
@@ZeroB4NG yea but that scene with romulan bird of prey I like, as well as a few other but that was my favorite
@@TheBigMan2798 it's more of "hey it's trek nostalgia" And less "let's actually spend soke really good time and not rush" But then again everything costs like millions to make so they always rush
This...thank you!
I mean in Discovery, we saw their console layout can change as others become damaged, so the workload is shared to other crewmembers who have a working station. Fast forward a couple hundred years and having a fully customizable holographic interface of a ship's control functions isn't too out there. Heck, the La Sienna literally has no crew other then the ship's captain. If the ship can do that, having templates of other control layouts should be a cinch.
We've seen it come and go already, remember laser keyboards?
remember Xbox Kinect ?
@@ZeroB4NG Kinect's still a thing. It's used in HoloLens.
That was a rather clunky interface! pretty sure the tech has improved by the 25th century
Your videos are so well thought out and deep. I love watching them so much! Mr. Henry for Star Trek producer!
Hey Henry can you look at SDF Macross and Martian Successor Nadesico who use Holographic displays as a main feature on ships( but at minimum even then).
If you're referencing the original _Macross_ series and _Macross Zero,_ I don't remember the UN Spacy developing holograms that early. (However, _DYRL?_ and illegitimate _Macross II: Lovers Again did_ have tactile holograms.) Now, the Zentradi had them in the original series, but- looking back- they weren't much better than what the MCU had: glowy lines, text and images floating on glass screens (Churchprise bridge, anyone?), although Britai's flagship did have a hologram projector floating over the rest of the bridge crew's heads.
It wasn't until years later in _Macross Plus_ and the Sharon Apple Incident where UN Spacy had access to Zentradi-level holograms.
@@EVAUnit4A in the Minnmai concerts? The Frontier and Delta idol suits. The only major use of holograms in mainline Macross was in 3D tactical displays and maybe communication. Most of the advanced holo tech was used by Idols.
And you can also have an instant WC without leaving your position!!
"Permission to poop sir" "granted"
Just look at Stargate
Even the Ancient use 2D Display Screen and use holographic for communication purposes only. Asgard too use 2d screen rather than holographic screen
Oh Man I love Stargate
3:45 You could press a button and everyone falls on the ground as their chair disappears, it's like that classic chair trick where you take it away except high tech.
Shit, I thought this was going to be a diss of Rios many fantastic alternate selves.
But yeah, the UI is *horrible*.
One of the MANY things why I hated Pacific rim: uprising, is how they Use Holograms in their con-pod, the whole set feels so cheap, they removed all the the practical control panels and just put holograms,it doesn't feel like they're controling a giant robot, unlike in the first movie, the pilots actually looks like they're DOING something instead of pushing random non-existing buttons
I LOVE your idea of how better to use holographic displays. The ones they use on Picard would be a nightmare to use (let alone look at for more than 10 seconds). They are an example of lazy design. I heard Kurtsman saying he doesn't like spaceship 'P0RN'. But frankly that's one of the reasons so many people come to Star Trek. To look at the ships and design concepts of ALL functionality for those ships. To say this is yet another reason why he doesn't get Star Trek.
3:50 this is pretty much what Barclay did in that episode where he became super smart
Because these guys don't care about the universe and haven't made a effort to integrate it into the show.
So it's the same case as in Star Wars?
@@eliaspeter7689 No.
@@eliaspeter7689 No, it's obviously worse than Star Wars these days.
@@eliaspeter7689 It's actually worse than Star Wars now, because the people in charge made sure to ruin the past too (STD).
@@snake56 That's pretty sad to be honest.
I just found you. I've watched several videos now and you are a genius. Thank you.
It's trying to look cutting edge without actually being cutting edge.
The problem with things that used to set trends. as time goes on, everything gets bolted down, new thoughts are not welcome.. and these things are forced to follow trends instead. The Simpsons has to be the biggest example. going from defining comedy to doing as it's told.
Oh man! This is such a great idea, and great use of design! I wish ideas like this had made it into the show.
Your idea is great, it only has one tiny flaw: It assumes the producers of the show gave any more thought to the whole show, than you did into the minute of this video.
This video breaks my heart a little bit. I've always had the same problems with the stereotypical new sci-fi interface, thinking "we already can make that but don't because it sucks and doesn't work." But I've never had a great answer as to what they should use instead that feels futuristic. And your solution here is so perfect I can't believe no one on the entire production thought of it. Ugh.
What do you prefer: Star Wars or Star Trek?
Well done on almost reaching 100k
P.S. 0:30 is that a face reveal?
They are both equally shit nowdays.
@Pechenegus not entirely, clone wars season 7. Bad Batch and Siege of Mandalore leading up the order 66 and shortly afterwards.
I haven’t watched the episodes since it’s not available in my country, but I hear it’s good.
He's shown his face in videos before
I remember in one of the Trek books, they were onboard a Romulan ship that was partially assimilated into a Borg cube. So the Federation characters got a Romulan computer up and running, and basically CHANGED THE DESKTOP PATTERN to Federation LCARS.
At some point we should collectively say “screw it” and bring all the amazing creators like EC Henry and experts like Corridor Digital to make a new show. Get Shadiversity and Skullagrim to do some fight choreography and combine Star Wars and Star Trek (and other franchises, too) and create the ultimate Sci-Fi Fantasy series.
And by “We” I mean “someone who is competent and knows how to get it done.”
Wyatt Tyson that would be the greatest collaboration of the century
Cool idea! It may not have a budget of mainstream media, but, unlike some TV shows( looking at you, std and stp), it should have amazing story and worldbuilding
@@darkleome5409 story and world building are all you need to inspire suspension of disbelief in your audience. Expensive sets and effects are nice, but are all too often a crutch. This dream team of UA-cam creators would have you hooked if they only used stick figure animation!
Luke Dogwalker Yeah that’s not all you need. You can’t have a franchise built only on lore. That’s what Destiny did and it’s boring as fuck.
@@Shapes_Quality_Control story is not the same thing as lore. Story is plot and characters and drama and conflict.
The idea of a fully-modular hologram controls the video propose sounds much more amazing than the wavy neon light show that Hollywood loves so much. Such technology could enhance the ship's security by making it harder for intruders to access personalized UI.
4:57 A truer statement was never said
You make excellent points and your proposed solution makes a lot of sense. Thinking back on the show it's even more jarring because all the ship emergencies holograms are of the classic Star Trek type. So if they still use that tech why not apply it everywhere?
There is another reason why those panels are so common. You can have a scene were nothing happens.
Running down the clock without having to invest in effort, writing and actual work.
And the audience laps it up becouse "Oooh pretty lights! Oooh futuristic!"
Doing that with just an ordinary computer screen? Not as effecive.
Your ideas for these shows are so much better than what we get. I wish someone would higher you to write/design on Star Wars or Star Trek
That “you don’t like new trek as your not a real fan” comment is really starting to have a lot of evidence to the contrary with intelligent points like this - good job
I've hardly ever heard anyone who likes either disco or Picard say that, its usually people who only like old star trek saying you're not a real fan if you like new star trek.
katakisLives I’ve seen both - and it’s kind of strange as I know fans of the old who do and don’t like the new shows
As a user experience designer - and sci-fi / Trek fan of course - THIS IS BRILLIANT! What a great take.
The awful EVERYTHING visual in Star Trek Picard- & Star Trek as a whole, since JJ Abrams smeared his high contrast, low aesthetic all over it.
To be fair the kelvin movies were much better at keeping the Star Trek aesthetic. The shows that followed that though...
This effect has become the new Bullet time that was used in so many films after the Matrix
But henry, that would imply that the creators of this series cared and were willing to put an effort into it.
They do care. It's the toxic fans who complain about little minutiae like this.
@@peterthx Henry is the most upbeat creator on the platform when it comes to being a fan, calling him toxic just shows that you care as little as the show designers. I've never seen him take anything less than a constructive stance free of personal attacks and highly respectful in nature.
@@peterthx the minutiae makes star trek, well, star trek, therefore, it's own thing in a ocean of generic sci-fi, seeing it becomes just another generic sci-fi because of people that don't care is why fans complain.
@@LLmsn941 The attention to detail, or "minutiae" as it was called, is the reason you can tell a Trek from a Wars from a Battlestar from a Dr. Who from an Expanse. If you're going to want people to believe in your story, your visuals should be backing it up to make it look like those characters LIVE there, and use their tech.
@@LLmsn941 yeah. We need another psychiatrist on the bridge and tablets that look like iPads. TREK has had a lot of generic over the years. Look at the bridge in TOS. Graphs that did nothing. Plastic candy buttons that did nothing. Weird binocular vision things coming out that nobody else could see.
You make a good point. Also, I like how Captain Pike ordered the stopping of the "ghost" holograms for communications purposes.