Lyft Exploiting Drivers Through Express Rental Paying 25% LESS?!
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- Опубліковано 24 кві 2024
- Sergio interviews John, from Las Vegas, a Lyft driver renting from Lyft Express to talk about some of the good things about renting and sharing some of the bad things about renting.
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Lyft has been “quadruple dipping” for over 5 years now. A fellow r/s driver was renting a car 5 years ago. He couldn’t get ahead of his bills. He found himself getting evicted. I let him move in with me. I sat down with him to go over his earnings statements and a budget. 5 years ago they only paid him .43/mile and .09 per minute. The rate card for non renters was .60/.13. He was rarely given any bonuses or incentives to augment his weekly earnings. He fell behind in paying me.
I say “quadruple dipping” b/c they are making money on the rental fee, paying less per trip, charging for the service fee and taking out the booking fee. They lost my respect 5 years ago!
I rented a vehicle under Uber’s Hertz rental and it was a scam.
Driver need stay away from hertz. Biggest scammer brother with Uber / Uber pro card. There are a group crooks in the office to screw drivers hard earned
Uber and Hertz did this to me when I rented a Tesla. No matter how many trips I did or hours I worked, I could not break the $1500 per week barrier. I would get lower paying trips or none at all, even during a surge. All of this is scripted in their algorithms.
Went back to driving my own vehicle and immediately started breaking the $1500 barrier, even though I wasn’t getting the EV offset per trip.
Hertz is losing a lot of money with Teslas
Bloomberg: Hertz reported a loss that was nearly three times worse than analysts expected as it accelerated sales of electric vehicles to reduce its fleet of Tesla models that have weighed on profits
@@onedaily2471 How is that possible when Uber bought 100k Telsas and gave them to Hertz to rent out to us?
Veteran drivers like John that track all their rides are powerful whistle blowers. The Rideshare Guy is the ideal platform for whistleblowers as your track record has shown. 🙏🚙
its wild to think that these guys believe you can have a rainy day fund
I also feel like these rideshare apps have the ability to customize the algorithm according to individual drivers.
Yes, they created a company that allows discrimination on so many levels, and then won't accept responsibility for breaking discrimination laws, because they use inept law attorneys to blame it on an artificially intelligent entity, that they created to abuse humans. Humans have to be smarter than the algorithm or just get out of that worker type matrix.
When drivers initially sign up on Uber, Uber specifically asked certain questions to certain drivers. The answers supplied by those certain drivers determined what "class" of drivers Uber would begin their behavioral manipulation of those certain drivers FOR UBER'S PROFIT. Read Uberland by Alex Rosenblat. She already exposed everything and the book was published in 2018! I think she is the head of Uber's Marketing Policies now at Uber HQ. Or maybe she's the HR Exec Director now. I forget now. But nothing much has changed since her book was published. It's 2024 now! 😮
I was stupid and took a rider from National City (San Diego CA) to Santa Clarita (Los Angeles CA).Lyft charged me and the rider $164.67 for "est. commercial auto insurance & other expenses". I'm driving a FlexDrive vehicle (2024 Nissan Altima (ICE)) and Lyft kept me in Los Angeles until my personal miles ran out. I ended up accruing $48 in additional personal miles. They paid me $112.37. I will never again be so gullible to accept a long distance ride for Lyft. My experience felt like rape. Never again.
Email me sergio@therideshareguy.com
What do you mean personal miles ? If the app is on doesn’t it count it as work miles?
You should keep your app on the entire time the engine is running.
@@thegamepz FlexDrive makes you the renter pay for personal miles. 100 miles is $30. 25 miles is $12.95. I pay for the 100 miles which I used the last one between Angeles and Anaheim. I don't plan on taking anyone farther than 50 miles. This was the exception and it cost me.
@@carolineb619 But none of that would've been personal miles so that makes no sense 😊
I rented for a year cuz I needed a car. Finally was able to get a car. Right away I noticed that the offers are significantly more than when I rented. I lost money renting. Not my main source of income so not a huge deal. Would not recommend unless you’re in a pinch and you can just do it as a temporary fix.
You mean to tell me I pay $16,000 a year for a rental and I get paid 25% less per ride wtf.. I don't care how much they say insurance cost that's ridiculous.. so according to them with my annual take-home pay insurance costs $25,000 a year again wtf
This guy is a personal friend of mine in Vegas you can absolutely rely on anything he says🎉
He is part of the problem…just drives and accepts every trip…from his own mouth.
@KingSemajCHI HE MADE OVER 100,000 Grand last year what do you make😅😅😅😅?
@@KingSemajCHI😂😂😂
I use HyreCar to rent and work all the apps except Lyft because they block all 3rd party rentals. The owner of the car takes care of all the maintenance and I have a personal mechanic. The upfront cost is $50 and I still get my bag
Only $50? I am renting via HyreCar, I pay $425 a week in includes insurance. Lyft accepted it.
$50 a day?
Hyrecar is very expensive too.
Love these interviews
There’s millions of pings in Vegas but if support doesn’t favor you you’re not going to receive one. If they want your pay at a certain amount of money per hour you will never get more than that set amount. If they feel like you are only worth $9 per hour you’ll go home with $90 in ten hours.
Problem is people keep driving for these companies
Only ones making money is Lyft and Uber
I was in ED from January to May this year, and now that I have my own car, I still get the same garbage rides I got while in ED as a Los Angeles nighttime driver. I had a pleasant experience with my local Hertz, even after being victim to a hit and run with no LLDW. Love driving them Polestars too! I also got rides more than $4. There’s a lot of BS out there about ED. But I had to quit ED because it forces you to work full time and play bonuses, preferably in peak hours. At night, I had to work 14 hours to make $200, 2 hours of that spent charging vehicle. In my new car, only 3 weeks old, I had 6 people puke in or on it already and one person piss in it lol. Making same money but working less now. Can take a day or even a week off.
Ive asked support if they pay less to express drive rental, they avoid it every time and say YES drivers earn less due to the need to cover rental cost, but never answered. Also during the time i had an ev nero they told me i cant swap or they would not give me a different car as i didt want to charge the ev 5 hours (4times) every day =25+ hours charging/weekly. 😅
John, check out Buggy to rent a car. They don’t have EVs, but at least you’re making full per mile rates.
He can rent my vehicles. Meet me in the Que and we can figure it out. I’m looking for a veteran driver for my Suburban. If you play the airport you see me every day…holla at me John.
Drivers most of the time, say their earnings are the gross that uber or lyft received from pax. Not deducting uber or lyft fees. That is not their correct gross earnings. Their is a big difference on earnings after fees.
Exact same thing happening here in Los Angeles!
It's disclosed to us what the rider pays. Why can't the companies disclose what the driver makes? It could compel the riders to tip or tip more.
Most rivers don't really care what drivers make. They're getting gouged themselves. Some might be sympathetic, but as soon as you drop them off they move on with their lives.
It's information and they can do whatever they want with it.
It would be embarrassing to the driver when people find out how little they make and tip them out of pity that’s not what I want the companies need to be regulated they won’t do the right thing by themselves the government needs to step in sorry to say it but that’s why we have governments so private sectors don’t abuse
I went thru the same crap in the boston area and returned the car when my one week rent was up.John said it all with zero information getting passed on to drivers…I noticed when my rides fares was coming in at $3.75 which I’ve never seen in my state!
This is terrible for owners. This is allowing them to flood the market and owners lose rides to the rentals.
Ding, ding, ding!!! That's exactly what is happening. And rental drivers can never get ahead to purchase their own vehicle. It's a debt trap for them.
Renting a car to do this gig is butchering your wallet,and tax season is just free money for Uncle Sam
At this point I can't fight for it anymore it's no longer cost-effective..I've spent hours and hours of my free time trying to get back money I was forced to pay for tolls that weren't mine.. I had to switch my rental to get it to stop.. more time lost.. I live an hour from my lyft rental location.. then on top of everything just got an email that my rental cost is going up $26..nice what timing lol
These 2 companies suck our blood on daily basis but they know their judgement day is coming as they are under pressure to make their cars as EV and drivers are not changing to EVs as the current pay isn't worth it.... So they came up with this devilish idea of recruiting a new breed of drivers who will rent EV from day 1, work based on the new deducted fare (thinking that it is a normal fare), work 12 hours daily with zero emission, then once they have enough of these EV drivers, I'm sure they will have the courage that time to change the standards and rules and put anyone not driving EV out of their platform. In short, this is a slow but steady replacement plan for us, the current drivers with gas cars who are upset with the decreasing pay
5.0 rating 3000 + Rides 100,000 miles I am out be back if pay gets better …… 😊🎉😊
This is called indentured servitude. Mostly former slaves in America worked land but had to give up a major portion of crops or sales proceeds to the landowner or lender. Then the servant would get what's leftover.
Sometimes I shudder at the thought that we are driving our personal cars taking on all the risks or paying ridiculous rental charges where both the car rental company and rideshare company are scamming the driver. Imagine having no tangible property and making millions off others' labor and property. This is not a business model that will sustain itself long-term.
Well said
Right. As soon as drivers start acting like REAL INDEPENDENT CONTRACTORS and walk right thru those bogus independent contractor contracts, like Uber walked thru all the states' employment laws already on the books, nothing will change. Drivers have to be the ones to wake Uber the "f" up. Drivers and Riders are the taxpayers, the voters, the majority of the middle class that keeps this country moving. If the apps crash, how are people going to keep moving when they need to keep moving? These apps don't care about driver or rider, so both driver and rider need to care about each other. 🙏🇺🇸🙏🌎
This was the sharecropping system, not indentured servitude.
@@Erica-ls7bp It's more indentured servitude in that the individual is forced to work essentially for free until a loan or debt is paid within a certain time period. It could be compared to sharecropping in that gig workers are forced to produce a large quantity for a small portion or proceeds. The way sharecropping is different is that I think the rideshare business forces people to leave because the rental model vs. realized income is not sustainable. And rideshare drivers can quit quicker and get another a traditional part or full-time job.
There’s nothing profitable about the rental program. Everyone knows this but they sign up anyway. You’re paying nearly $3,000 or more per month.
That is so sad! I hope these express drivers get all the back pay!
If it’s a 2013, you won’t make any money because they don’t allow any vehicle more than 10 years old on the platform in Vegas
That is definitely a question to ask the ceo of Lyft next time he is on the show .
I'm sure he has sweet statements about that. At least he is so polite you know
The answer (excuse) is always going to be "rising insurance costs".
I rental a tesla for 5 weeks and was killing it with 2k plus a week in about 60hrs. I went out and bought one and now i have a hard time making 1k
What city you in ? I’m looking into getting one I have a Prius currently
I feel like Uber actually prioritizes their rental drivers to keep that money flow coming from the rental.
What Lyft is doing is unconscionable. They need to fix immediately and credit these drivers back lost earnings.
Very true, I tried express drive end of 2019, and i realized the massive cut in $/mile. I tried to find out the rate from Lyft and Hertz, but it was a closely guarded secret were no one admitted to know what was going on! I returned the car after 1 month. It was a very frustrating period. I would never do it again and strongly advise against anyone doing it. Plain sly way of theft from the unknowing driver😡
Same thing, in the Washington DC Market. In DC in 2019-2021 I was getting $0.66/mi $0.22/min versus $0.88/mi $0.44/min
Sergio have you heard this thing about the reason that these rides are so horrible… is that they want your acceptance rate to go down they want your cancellation rate to go up so that they don’t have to pay any of the benefits anymore so if you’re a driver and you’re going to school, they don’t wanna pay for it anymore and if they do, they wanna rip you off as much money as they possibly can pay for your school so they want to give you $6.45 minute trips
School is paid by the government, not Uber
You don’t need to drive for U/L to have this benefit from the government
The only requirement is low income, so Uber makes sure you remain poor so you qualify for this government program
School isn’t paid by the government. It is paid by the taxpayer. The government doesn’t pay for anything.
Sergio . It's Saturday. . I paid off my rental. I'm being throttled. Because drivers who haven't paid off rentals are getting the fares. They will work cheaper than someone who is in profit zone. I worked 50 hours this week and only have 3.00 in my pocket. No ev fuel money.. using free chargers. Phone got shut off. Using hotspot from a phone a customer who left phone in my car.its Lyft is pretty much done with me till it gets busy tonight...
John don't look for lyft black. In 1 week I get about q to 3 rides on lyft black. It's a complete waste do not. Please do not. I'm in Vegas too. XL is way better for lyft.
I got myself caught up in that racket last November and found myself not even making enough to cover the Rental & Charging Fees combined per week. I returned their rental on Jan. 2nd and felt 1,000% Relieved. Keep in mind that the Weekly Rental does NOT stop if you get sick and you’re down for a number of days. When/If that ever happens Best of Luck getting back on top where you can make a few dollars. It’s BS and Please include me if ever a Class Action Lawsuit ever comes together especially in that difference in pay.
On top of that as if that wasn't enough... Get this over $200 in toll charges in New York City.. that I was forced to pay for 4 weeks in a row before I can start earning money.. problem there is I work in Boston I can prove I was giving rides at the time I was being charged for them in New York... 3 months of going back and forth with Hertz in Lyft the same circle . Lyft says it's hertz and vise versa.. over and over again .. still haven't seen my $200... So on top of everything else you're stealing money from me also... Please make this right..
Here's a example of lyft flex.i work Lyftflex full-time. 40 hrs .. it's Friday..I got 60.00 left before my rentals paid off. I got 3 days to make money. I have no money for ev power. Let's hope I can pay rent or come close. I gotta get over to Uber. I didn't know they didn't pay reduced for rental fares
The problem here is that if you're only driving 40 hours a week, then you're not driving full-time. If you're not driving at least 60+ hours a week, you're not going to see any money.
Uber has extra costs if you use a Uberpro card. My weekly rental is $290 but an authorization hold was added and each and every week they can hold another authorization charge every week. You can have multiple holds and it can take 30 days to release and Avis can release and hold as much as they want.
I'm doing Lyft Express. I get plenty of rides, but after I deduct gas, I average $13/Hr. Obviously, it's not enough. I do pay for extra miles up front and the added insurance, so the basic car is $300. I'm notified in the app that Express drivers make 17% less than other drivers. It takes about 20 hours to break even. I've only been driving for two weeks and also looking for a better solution. I live 25 miles from a cluster of seven cities. My car broke down right after I moved and out here and my other option is to work from home. I'd go insane. I've been approved to drive Uber rentals, but I suspect it's more of the same. Sometimes you learn as you burn. I appreciate the clarification. It helps me plan my week and I may spend extra time on study today.
Lyft does say that you will earn less per trip when renting to make up for the low rental fees.
$360-2000/mo is not a cheap rental, even before gas.
350 a week with the 125 rides per week. On a 4 week month. Is 1400 a month.
My vehicle was 56k. With 2k down. Wound up being 850 a month. Now i pay 1000 a month all the same and am paying it off this year at 5 years out of a 7 year loan. Full insurance on my vehicle, full coverage, underinsured, uninsured, and ride share coverage through statefarm 250 a month. And you won't have to pay for any repairs, oil changes, coolant flush and / or other maintenance, and tires.
Yeah, 1400$ a month isn't horrible.
Want to freak UBER/LYFT out? Send the same info to the RIDERS that's available to the DRIVERS.
That would include what the RIDER paid and what the DRIVER was paid and what UBER/LYFT paid themselves in line item detail.
So the lesson to be learned here is, have one nice car, and then have a backup older car in case your car breaks down or gets wrecked.
I've got to say, at least this guy actually drives and puts in the time. The guy last week got a rental and didn't use it and wondered why he was going broke.
As far as lyft cutting pay when you get a rental, this seems like they're doing this so you never get out of it and they keep making more profits. I bet if he turned on the pax app when he wasn't getting rides that his car won't show up on the map. Same thing happened to Jeff Watts when he had a $20 surge. They turned him off so he wouldn't get a ride.
It’s time to prepare oneself for another income. Get away from the Gig industry!
All rideshare drivers in USA must bring 500 to 1000$ on the table and we are more than 2 millions ride-sharing driver in USA so we can collect more than a billions $and with the money we are gonna open our own ridesharing company own by drivers let's do this Sergio and you are 1 of the best trusting person out there. We must open our own ridesharing company own by drivers now no more wait let,s do it now and Sergio must step up with this idea and it's the best ideas to get out of this slavering rideshare company
Guys lets find all the lawyer and we cannot all pitch in to fight the bs lift and uber doing
I have ton of screen shots that show that i was paid less for p3 than their rate card
I rented an EV through Flexdrive for 3 weeks in January. They told me in L.A. renters get .10 cents less per mile, but that it doesn't matter because it all evens out with the Prop 22 payments. I didn't rent long enough to verify that claim. I didn't really see much of a difference with the amount I was getting per ride (a little over $1 per mile on both personal and rental), but I did notice I got a lot less rides on the rental. I hope Sergio finds a lawyer willing to fight and gets Lyft renters another big payday like he did with Prop 22 mileage.
What lift is about to lose a five-star 14,000 plus ride driver.. I'll go rent with Uber...
Not news… they’ve been doing this for over a year… was renting while my car was in the shop… seemed not to be making as much… last straw was took a trip to Newark airport from Philly suburbs on a Sunday night… maxed out my daily driving hours and weekly personal miles on the way there… they charged me more for the excess personal miles to get home than they paid me for the same length trip taking the passenger there.
Since 2019, much longer than 1 yr
@@csexecutiveservices Actually since they launched Express Drive in June 2016. They have always paid less to renters. Last time I rented in January they told me that it didn't make a difference in California because the Prop 22 payments evens it out for everyone. I didn't rent long enough to verify that claim.
Renting a vehicle from a ride share company is indentured servitude plane and simple.
Wow this is eye opening. I bought my Taurus because i felt it would acknowledged as a comfort/luxury ride. I have the same car he has and same year. Wow, i knew something was wrong with that picture. But i didnt figure i was actually right until now. The Taurus is definitely a luxury ride, alot of people get in and dont expect the ride to be so nice. They expect mediocre and its not true. But i live in a city that houses alot of idiots so there is a large variety of drivers here but who knows.
Dont know why people rent it basically throing money out of your car it crazy I rather buy a tesla used, will use for rideshare and Turo at the same time.
You have to buy a used Prius. Great on gas and run to 200-300k miles.
Could it be he got flagged with Lyft for being deactivated with Uber? Someway they share info and that’s why he is getting punished with less pings?? I know they are competition but all info is shared??
I feel John's pain and obviously Lyft should be more transparent about this, but it also shouldn't come as a giant shock that it's more expensive to insure a rental car than a privately owned vehicle and Hertz probably insists on higher coverage limits than what Lyft provides on non-rentals.
Avis does the same
Well thank you Lyft if this is going to be the way you treat five star drivers who give more than 100 rides per week.. every week..giving out your 120 ride; ride challenges in a 3-day period... Always on the weekend. I'm a single dad I miss so much time with my kids because I have to take those challenges and try to complete them just to try to make a few extra bucks. Challenges I usually can't complete you get the extra rides out of me for no extra cost to you, and you cut 25% off the top for work I'm doing for you..WOW!!!! And if this is illegal you're response will probably be oh well we'll just get rid of the rental plan... ruin thousands of lives in the process... You're not giving me a great feeling on my hopes for driving to a better future,or job security.. I kill myself for you. This hurts more than you'll ever know... But it's on me always read the fine print right ..smfh
These crooks will find any way to screw drivers, its unbelievable...how they are not in jail..?
Is there anybody who drives Uber or Lyft just made some decent financial decisions over the last 20 years? Let’s get an interview with those guys if they exist lol this dude apparently made six figures for 10 years but he can’t afford to get his second car on the road and maintenance society is doomed.
Great if u need a car full-time. But if rain. If slow . You're making 300 a week. Not counting expenses... Pure hell unless u drive yourself to death it almost made me homeless in winter. 350 week after bonuses. Plus 65 week insurance. Plus 45 week for charging plan. First 500 is untouchable every week on Mondays. If u make too much in a week you will get throttled. They don't want you to exit the program and buy a car. The lower rate is the only bullshit of the program cause it takes forever pay the first 500 every Monday at 5 am. Do not do Lyft flex if u can't do 40 plus hrs a week. 3 days for rental. 4 days for profit.. only good thing is rental car. That's it at least let us drive Uber to survive.. pyramid scam between Lyft and Hertz and other players. I need a car
I meant to comment days ago when I first watched it…but I don’t feel sorry for this guy. He is part of the problem…just accepts every ride until he hits a number. These are the folks we talk about that drive down the trip price
Teslarati: Hertz continues EV losses and plans to dump 10,000 additional electric vehicles from its global fleet
While i hate the car biz(20+ years), as a finance manager you make $15,000-$20,000/month now, as a sales manager you make similar and get real benefits....forget salesman, but you can make bank and get out of this hampster wheel. in vegas you have Findley and Autonation. stop driving.
You need to add food you eat. Place you sleep insurance gas electricity tickets car wash deprecation car maintenance tires phone internet. No sick leave. No pension. You need to make 100,000 minimum a year to cover ur ass and then you on plus side😢😢😢
They takes advantage of the poor and desperate. John, thanks for telling the truth. Unfortunately, you are broke if you cant fix your car to pass smog and have to rent.
Hey Sergio I have proof that what this guy is saying is true I want to send you pictures of two different maps same time one is surging the other isn’t the one not surging is my map and I’m renting I’m also not receiving any trips while my friend is
But seriously very disappointed and hurt.. I feel very taken advantage of..
Something doesn’t make sence
Sergio: “There are some spots where people are taking (extreme poverty) on.” Check from Uber/Lyft cashed! These stooges are bought and paid.
Wow thats robbery
Wow, I can't believe this guy. Not at all surprised the guy who doesn't read the contracts he signs didn't realize that things like changing from ICE to EV, accidents on record, being more expensive to insure etc will affect how many ride they send you. 🙄 But nah he just harrases the 1 guy at work who tried to share info. I wouldn't wanna help inform him either after that stunt. 🤮
And of course when u rent the car you're not taking on the depreciation and maintenance costs on the car that are calculated into the cents per mile expense estimate. So yea they gonna reduce pay per mile cuz part of it goes to car owner to cover their portion of marginal expenses.
Rideshare let's u leverage your labor and your capital (ur car). But when u rent u earning for your labor and hertz gets the cut from capital
READ what you SIGN. Lack of understanding is acceptable for minors. It’s not acceptable for former-minors like this gent.
So this guy had these good jobs and now he’s a Uber driver🤣 Talk about going backwards.
Stay home then you wasting noney
Yes, I love the flexibility as well
Would be nice to see some younger drivers here, 95% is boomers and older folks.
Younger folks do not have these issues lol
Why is that? Are you up to it? sergio@therideshareguy.com
Not shocked at all. You rent = slave.
Why you only target Lyft !!!! Uber is the worst ever too
We smash both
That's why renting sucks, they know you're stuck on their platform. They were doing it 3 years ago when I was renting when I rented.
Sergio why are in interviewing a guy that’s only done the rentals for a couple weeks that’s not good data even though what he’s saying is mostly correct why don’t you try having someone like me on I’m from the DFW and have been in a rental since January 2023
That wasn't the topic, it's rental drivers getting paid kess