I have listened to you for many years. Why haven’t I changed? | J. Krishnamurti
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I have listened to you for many years. Why haven’t I changed? | J. Krishnamurti
Extract from the second dialogue in Saanen, 1978.
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May Life bless the uploaders!
True. Very grateful to them for this.
A wise Man
Truly!
Me too
True
I respect you for keeping this content untouched and unaltered and for keeping respect to JK's words and thoughts. These uploads you are doing are a great, incalculably valuable service to the world.
Amen 🙏🏻
To hear such a statement, you cry inwardly...
Are you waiting for suffering/sorrow to change? Suffering is pressure from outside, and then you exert pressure from inside to escape yourself. When you see that, there is intelligence. That intelligence is the denial of the outer and inner, and therefore you move from where you are. Pressure, inward or outward, will not bring about radical mutation (deep insight/change)!
That intelligence can act BEFORE the event. It is operating all the time. Man has not to go through sorrow to change. "When you discover that, it's a divine gift!" 🙏
To realise that one is trying to change mode of suffering or sorrow, is profound. Thank you for this
What I heard is “That intelligence is the denial of the outer and inner, and therefore moving from where you are”, which means not moving from where you are, is it so?
@@user-gl2oy3jp7g Yes, I agree. I think “therefore moving from where you are” means you are not escaping, and so change begins from where you are.
It is really tough to got what jk says..
is intelligence referring to collective unconscious or individual intelligence? What do you think?
Mind is the best tool for change
When one is un conscious, one goes through turmoil round and round.
But in the moment, you realise that you can exercise your will and that will is absolutely you and nothing else, and you begin to do everything willingly, there is a change, a shift in everything and the result or outcome becomes very sweet. Only your willingness can change you. Not some pressure, not some information, not some speech, not some videos. Of course, those things may stimulate your willingness from the outside to your within. But your will is within you. And that changes you. Whether you want to change, you can change, or you don't want to, you can still not change, due to your willingness
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I don't know, how I wrote this. But after deeply hearing him, I just wrote this down and I feel very light also, at the moment. And I do not want to ever forget this fact, EVER.
Great
Respect to the current members for keeping such data alive
So Valuable
Indebted to the organisation
We owe you a lot
There is a proverbial saying that you can’t think your way to change. You can’t just listen to lectures and sermons and expect your life to propel towards progress. It’s only through action.
Action is what rewires your brain thus changing behavior. External pressure is actions. In order to not have to reply on external actions to befall upon us, we have to create similar inward actions.
The problem is human beings gravitate towards pleasure and escape pain. So we would rather sit on a couch rather than catch up on work or personal development.
The inward actions are meditating, fasting, waking up by 4am, exercising, volunteering, reading. Doing habitual mental exercises so you don’t fall into your vices.
All this requires energy expenditure and is not necessarily pleasurable. But someone who can do this and stay the course will reap massive benefits and change.
Again, we know what brings about change. Its the actions. The question is why don’t we consistently perform them and it all boils down from each of our underlying psychological motivation to seek pleasure more than work.
I have done things in a group setting that keeps me committed
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Action without conflict
“Yes, you will have bad times, but they will always wake you up to the stuff you weren’t paying attention to.”
-Robin Williams
Paying attention before u know u shud pay attention seems to be the key here🙄
But, did you pay attention to the message in the video? :)
@@savagearteconomy Yup, but we cannot act beyond our level of consciousness.
That's exactly what Krishnamurti is **refuting** in this video.
Only a few will be able to understand this yogi, he is not for everyone, at least for the next 25 years. He is good for people with very high intellectual capacity.
I always come back to this man....i can drift off but always find my way back to him as if truth lyes only ad his feet to grasp🌬✨💖
Sirs, Please don’t say thanks and float in goodness. J Krishnamurthy is just a mirror to watch our problems to change.
Truth is, we need to change. We need to show our seriousness in changing.
Paradox in your statement - If you are successful, life will be joyful, not serious.
@@xdude57What brings joy in your life, seeing the world for what it is.
JK has changed my way of looking the life.Thank you sir for your pure teaching.I started my spiritial journey with JK teachings.After some time I touched many other Teachings also. I got better understanding with JK only among all teachers.My favourite No 1 teacher is JK only.His teaching is adoptable to my psyche.Thank you sir.🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉
Outer sorrow can’t cause transformative change.
"The denial of the outer and inner, moving from where you are." This is seeing that it is all one. All one experience. This is wholeness, and the realization the observer and the observed are one. In "seeing" that, the interrelationship of everything is there clearly, and there is no way I can be separate from you. From there, "intelligence," or love, arises. This means giving your mind and heart to this. Your whole being must be involved in this.
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Thank you Krishna ji!🫡
Very enlightened Human, hope humanity had listened to him / still can listen to his thoughts, before it's too late.
humanity is not the problem my brother.....its those that control humanity for the last 200 years.....please research Dr Steven Greer and see what is really going on in the planet we call home.
To listen without accumulating. And to observe with total attention, where there is no division between the observed and the observer.
Excellent, thank you.
Why am I playing with fire? Why do I drink and drive? Why am I cheating on my spouse? Why do I neglect my work duties? Why do I listen to Krishnamurti and do not change?
How do you know to what do you have to change to? Why do i force myself? I have the same question
The real change must occur from within. Listening to others, whether they are 'correct' or not, is swindling yourself out of the necessary aspect, which is YOU.. Just hearing something is not the same as learning.. This is why Krishnamurti refers to himself as only 'the speaker'.. It is only truth that speaks...anything 'else' is the equivalent of incoherent noise, in reality..
Thank you so much for uploding it!
Millions millions thanks again for speaker and uploaders
That intelligence is operating
Thanks for changing
Thank you very much JK...
THANK YOU, MILLE GRAZIE 🙏🏼🌹
Thank you for constantly sharing Krishnamurti's teachings.
JK: "All effort to change hinders real change."
Listener: "WHY AM I NOT CHANGING??"
yeah. but that's just part of the letting go. you have to realize what is it that you're holding to.
Do you (I) See?
What a wonderful man...
Thank you for this video available
Great job by the j krishnamurti foundation!
God bless
Thank you so much for sharing this 🙏
Expressing gratitude for the content. Thank you so much. 🙏🙏
Thank you for this
Beautiful 🌻 thank you 🙏
Eye opener.... Failing has humbled me.. Major ego death too..🙂
Thank you
Am I up for being kind, and gentle in my thinking that will allow me the space to gain a deep understanding that it is my emotional reaction to my thinking around my unfolding realty that determines the quality of my experience of life. Now from that place of understanding am I up for taking responsibility for the quality of my experience of life.
exactly.
His language is elliptic, constantly going back and forth, challenging the very nature of the process of thinking. However, it is not suitable for larger audiences, not for lectures, not for teaching. He is using the language of a sacred person. We need to go beyond his words and seek to understand by ourselves, as he probably would say. I do respect K. But still out of reach for us. You can listen a million times, still do not get a step further. He also got stuck in the wordiness, unfortunately. Not an easy task to become a "world teacher." He accepted the challenge. R.I.P. K
No Sir, if you give all of your being to a single talk of K you definitely change. What you are actually referring to as general audience is the audience who is still seeking a method or a technique in K's teaching and those seeking are not actually listening which should be your case, listening to the message and conclude. When you should listen and let the magic operates which bring and unfolding of the totality of the natire of the self. Just listen and conclude is very shallow. a
JK talked about choiceless awareness.
His Nature of teaching is that .. he wants us to see the facts instantly… in the very seeing, is the answer…
it's very clear for me, probably the only person I think i can understand totally clearly.
Yes. He just gives speeches so that you catch what he means and then leaves it and applies to yourself.
He doesn't want us to keep him listening endlessly
Thanks you Sir Thanks you 🙏
The teachings is a gift from the universe ✨ immense respect to jk for being a communicator
Thank you sir
you are the sole judge of your conduct, the ultimate proof of free will.
What an analysis
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No words, understand at its peak
Thank you ❤❤❤
so guys, what he is really saying here is that if you understood his point of intelligent awareness, you don't have to listen to his talks anymore.👏👏👏👏👏 thanks jk; what a relief
yes I understand this, sir🙏
Everybody change eather you wanted or no, some people change for the better and some don`t.
Wow! Something transformed.
Being intelligent before the event is to have a true sense of responsibility. If I am the world and the world is me...there is no choice to be "careful" you "be careful"
"Why are you unhappy? Because 99.9 percent, Of everything you think, and of everything you do, Is for yourself - And there isn’t one." Wu Wei Wu
Wow, that was a nice brain bomb. Tenxxx
It is indeed a thoughtful lecture thought provoking.Mind is ever changing perhaps in the unchangeable as said by one or two seers.
Sin palabras!!! Comprender sentir y poder practicar lo qu dice es... Estar todo el tiempo sonriendo sin qu te lo propongas.... Inunda la alegria, lietral. GRACIAS POR SEGUIR AHÍ
This is THE problem of all!!! This is it, all inclusive. Why man is not changing. This is why I am not. Too bad I will and am being forced at this moment. Thank you 🙏🏻🌸
The true healer
We need to live instead of thinking to much about !
Powerful
Listening and reading like a novel is not enough. K's monologue is a continuous stream that doesn't allow for profound realisation of how we function as human organisms. To achieve this requires a great deal of energy on just one point.
great observation
There are a lot of pauses in his stream to be observed. Which point do you refer to?
nice talk
Everything should come inwardly
I also listening J Krishnaji for many years but not change
When we get an aha we change. "Aha" - something I can relate with and I have never known before. I have realised also that we pitch our ideas too high it goes right over the heads of most. I value everything you say.
WoW!!!
Good lecture.
Human has dependencies, the beast has requirements. The dependencies are either healthy or unhealthy. Each object that destroys ourselves and our world is habit and predominantly inherited.
Our software or intelligent life has predictable outcomes. Man must take enough pain to hold more, unless he holds more he will destroy what is IRRELEVANT.
Mind and helping to others is the best way for change
I can’t believe😮
K..... ❤️
Respect
And yet K. is the best we have.
One need not require or try to be changed.Stay in awareness .Everything would be changed automatically.
Self-awareness itself brings about a form of change
Yes this is exactly my thoughts. I've been listening to his videos and many more spiritual teachers actively for the last two years while late 2001 or early 2002 is when I've started to seek. It's an on and off thing like when distraction takes place but all I learn is stored in my so-called memory bank waiting to be triggered by events. Applied perhaps to a minimal extent. But still superficial and dsnt lasts. While I Dnt engage in destructive habits. While external events and people constantly disappoints me and now even the dead whose fault I only found 10 years later. It's quite a struggle to have the total willingness to CHange because I feel like it's also defeat.
Same , but what he's saying is ig don't put any effort, effort is in vain , because you can try a bunch of things external or internal nothing helps , so don't put that effort and just be....that's what I got from this vid
Wow.
Intelligence that is operating all the time.
Tq
Fact,every one who listen to J is somehow privileged in this world. For the real poor and the suffering can't be told to observe and everything will be fine.
Sad reality of life
Jk is a true intellectual. I might have been wrong to think that it took a lot of external setbacks to enlightenment. Now I'm refocusing on everyday life. It's hard. mind is chaos
Good or bad, happy or sad, all things shall vanish like the imprint of a bird in sky, tibetan wisdom. We must be very cautiuos not to become what the teachers say we are. There is nothing wrong with us, we must just learn to appreciate who or what we are.
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In another word Intelligence means to do things consciously.
Absolutely right -without analysing and thought. with love.
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19:19 Made me chuckle! Thank you to ”the Speaker” for being hilarous sometimes!
I want to raise another point.
I _never_ seek to change. I just seek _to understand!_ And when I understand something inside of me, I understand some identification, I understand the _what_ of the _who,_ because the 'feeling' that I am a person _always_ has a certain identity. If I am proud, for example, there are things I am proud _of,_ and those are the source of my pride, and also the feeling of 'being a person'.
In any case, if, in meditation, the _what I am_ of the 'feeling' of 'who I am' manifests itself, then I am no longer this 'who' I was. And that gives my brains and my bodies a larger range to act. In other words, _I have changed!_
Or, to be more clear, I only feel that I am a person, a 'who', If I am blind to 'the content' or the 'what' that 'who' consists of. But in full awareness, the 'who' becomes a 'what'. And when that happens, it no longer is able to 'attach', to 'control my body' in blindness.
Change therefore happens through understanding.
_Always!_
Even _enlightenment_ happens through understanding. In particular, the 'enlightenment' of Buddha happened in him _the moment he understood the source of his suffering, and therefore suffering in general!_ He saw, and he was the first human being to see that, that all suffering happens through attachment. And that is a momentous understanding, which was so huge, that it transformed his entire brains!
How?
This understanding _silenced all thoughts in him!_ Therefore _there was no thought that could control his body!_ There was, for a brief moment, no longer an 'I' in him!
J. Krishnamurti's transformation was the result of his struggle when the Theosophical society tried to impose the identity of 'World Teacher' on him. Through investigating this, and through his struggle, he asked himself whether being a world-teaqcher was a good thing.
And when he investigated that, he saw that religions and ideologies, all invented and founded by 'World Teachers' brought about division and struggle. He could see that, because the Theosophical Society made him study all religions, because they believed that there was a common core of deep wisdom in all religions. He came to the conclusion, that being a World Teacher _is a wrong thing to be!_ Moreover, _because_ he knew about all religions through his Theosophical training, he saw clearly, that this 'core of common wisdon' did not exist! And if that is so, then the whole idea of World Teacher collapses!
This was _such a momentous understanding_ for J. Krishnamurti, that it transformed his entire brain! And that with _all the pain_ such a transformation always brings.
J. Krishnamurti saw the danger in 'being a World Teahcer' in general, and therefore that there is a danger _in all ideologies!_ But he _never_ saw the common root: 'truth!'. That is why he constantly posed the question: 'how can thinking, which produces such tremendous results in science and technology, also cause so much misery in the form of ideologies? He _never_ solved that problem, but posed it many times.
But J. Krishnamurti saw clearly the danger in iddeologies. It is what caused his own brain to transform. And, after a period of recovery, which took about 3 years in him (which all people who become 'enlightened' must go through) he began to do the exact opposite of what the Theosophical Society asked of him. He began his speeches of openly _questioning_ things we took for granted. Like that 'thought and thinking', although it brings about tremendous accomplishments, it also brings about division. And so he began to become a 'minister' of individualism', putting questions forward, stimulating people to look inside, and find out for themselves the 'what's' they are, their 'who-s' consist of.
In me, the transformation was caused by seeking to understand Zen. I wanted to know, with absolute certainty, what Zen was, and what Zen was about. And when my brains finally understood Zen, my brains underwent a transformation like that happened in J. Krishnamurti and in Buddha.
Everybody's brain can undergo the transformation called 'enlightenment. Because we are all different, we all have different issues in our lives. Therefore the way the brains of different people undergo the 'enlightenment' transformation will revolve around something different. But every 'enlightenment' - transformation will _always_ happen through focusing on _understanding!_
Therefore, the road to enlightenment _is not_ through focusing on _change!_ No, it is focusing just on _understanding!_ That is, to try to distinguish the factual from truth.
Truth _always_ begins as a fantasy. The only thing that can make a 'truth' powerful, (which happens when it transforms into a science) is that _it does not contradict any_ of our experiences. But, because the origin of any 'truth' is our own mind, our own creativity, and _always_ starts as a _random_ creation, as _a fantasy._ the idea of 'truth' as a content that corresponds to reality_as it is_ is an illusion. That is what Karl R. Popper understood, and which formed the basis of the power of the mind, of all of _really powerful thinking_ we call _science!_ A subject J. Krishnamurti _never_ talked about!
But if something is recognized as _factual, only then_ there is real knowing. Moreover, such knowing _is always_ about something belonging to our inner world. We cannot be certain about the three-dimensionality of space, or the four-dimensionality of space-time, because such statements are mathematical, and therefore started as fantasies. But we _can be certain_ that we have a toothache, because we can observe that as a fact!
In the same manner, one can be certain about such things as the connection between suffering and attachment, or world-leadership and it being a mistake. Or to discover that there is a difference between nothing-ness and nothing, and that Zen aims to make us _understand_ this difference.
It's methodical thinking, not 'really powerful thinking', that's why it's called 'the scientific method'. But anyhow, there are many ways change can happen.
Are you enlightenment?
Thank you for your comment. Sir, I suggest you listen to one of the initial audios of Krishnamurti and David Bohm from 1975 in Brockwood Park. They go deep into conversation on truth, reality, actuality, and fact. Good day to you
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Intelligence is the key for changing...most of the people like to do stupid things...I know it from myself...so...we can choose...that`s our freedom...good luck...
To love. Is this the change we need?
Be love.
thanks to remid
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Amazing speech!
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"Is it possible to be intelligent before the event?"
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That's only a fraction of what they spend today...
Answer lies within you, observe & intellectualise.🙏
I have been staring at gym weights for years, why haven't I gained muscle?
In absence of" I",do everything like listening, speaking etc.etc.
If you seeking change you escape from the what is.
It's interesting to study sorrow and suffering and you have a gift to study it when you suffer.
Do you have a patience to see like a snow wash itself by itself by the fire of the truth?
... because there is a you that asks....
This is a rather different way of looking at intelligence than an IQ tests.
His definition of intelligence is different than the one we usually use. He would use the word "intellect" to describe what you mean by the word "intelligence". You can find this distinction in other Krishnamurti talks :)
09:00 Intelligence before event