Could you tell us more about this vast intelligence? | J. Krishnamurti
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Saanen 1984 - Question #3 from Question & Answer Meeting #3
'Could you tell us something more about this vast intelligence of which you speak? Is it an untapped capacity within the brain, or is it some disembodied force to which we may become open?'
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‘Going to the moon is intelligence. Putting a flag on the moon isn’t’. My favourite standup comic 🙏🏼
Intelligence is
when you are in love.
When you are not in conflict.
Pleasure is conflict.
Desire is conflict.
In love there is compassion.
In compassion,
There is no conflict.
Observer is the observed.
Thinker is the thought.
Experiencer is experienced.
When you are observing the brain
You become brain.
Observe from high place.
Tune the brain
So that it give you right thought.
The greatest genius the world has ever produced 👏🏻👏🏻. A true gnana yogi. Wow
Krishnamurti sir, his excellency is a man of greatest order, fully tuned to the laws of cosmic intelligence. A man par excellence. Embodiment of intelligence, compassion, love, emptiness and joy. Just look at him and there is immense peace because the self dissolves completely in this vast intelligence. The mind is silent, still and fully empty. You become one with the nature. Absolutely no division at all. Love you sir ❤❤❤
Love your comment. All blessings to you!
" To be a light to oneself" sums up the essential Krishnamurti.
I love K's beautiful, sparkling eyes and the way he naturally dispels illusions... bringing the TRUTH of the matter to light! ❤ Swoon ❤ ❤
Appreciate
I salute you sir. Ur words are life . cause I can't seem anything precious to compare with ur words..
NO words to express my gratitude .TALK is working like magic on my conditioned brain and thoughts...
Love is intelligence! Wow! Hats off!
It must be identity free couse with conditioning is not a love anymore
Extraordinary! Thanks for sharing 😊
"Conflict distorts perception."
One of the greatest minds.. Observer is the observed..
Greatest no mind u mean
Yes it's love without the conditions of ego or self preservation or gratification..Just pure devotion or passion towards everything and everyone without discrimination. Giving equal importance to an ant as to a man, whichever way you look, An equinamity of thought and emotions throughout. Also a knowledge that the person or situation that you have an image of, that may be attractive or hurting you is inside you..So looking for it in your own existence and tuning your mind so that there is no image of a person in relationship..I.e. you are not carrying an expectation beforehand according to past behaviours of the person..Neither you are expecting him to act in a certain way according to your past interactions which would be a violation of the mind and manipulation of the other and urself..Not making an opinion about the other person.Just observing..Because the very observation brings about a change. Just like flowing water cuts the Mountains. 🙏JK a Great Being who brings about pure sense of devotion and stillness and and can transform ones being just through listening to him.Truly marvelous to have had such a pure being among us🙏
You explain beautifully thank you
Most incredible discussion I've heard since! Thankyou.
He gave himself a herculean task, somewhat like explaining Hegel to the masses.
Zizek also tries . . .
Essence of this lecture for me:
From 19mts till end, he has given an explosive insights, secret sauce for freedom and enlightenment. Be constantly watchful of here and now movement of consciousness within you to get love & compassion ( the intelligence) in which lies absolute security! The changeless witnessing consciousness whose nature is love and compassion, for which he is using the word intelligence. Once one has it then it is like brain getting perfectly tuned for giving right response to it's stimuli.
Hitting directly at the source without any frills
'Could you tell us' got me smiling
To enquire anything I have to enquire my whole existence.
"...we have been helped by so many people for thousands of years and this help has made us weak. This help from seeking from so many directions is making us feeble. We cannot stand on our own feet, observe and be responsible - right? If you are seeking help how can you be responsible? Or if you are dependent, how can you be responsible?"
Thank you
I believe question is partially answered.
Here is my attempt to understand what was given as an answer:
1.Our current intelligence is limited as it is originated from thoughts.
2. As brain is less in conflict one can become more intelligent.
3. When there is no conflicts, there is love and compassion.
Yes somewhat like that sir.
Manish Chopra when there is no conflict there is only knowing of that which always was and which always will be. The first and the last. “Security in Verigration”
Please listen carefully from the beginning and understand.
K's answers are not theoretical but practical. One has to take action. Do it to experience otherwise as K says the word is not that.
If only answers can make us infinitely intelligent there would be just answers everywhere.
Each and every word is golden and make sense together.
Love and compassion
If thought creates limited intelligence then we cannot use our minds as a tool to be one with limitless intelligence. If we are to connect to the limitless intelligence we can only do so with no thought or no thing ness which we can achieve through stillness. Look into nature without thought and you will become one with all and you will begin to experience the bliss of no fear, no resistance, pure truth, no thought just beingness. In present, bare, stillness you can sense and feel that there is no separation. when we are both the experience and the experiencer without thought we touch on the divine unlimited intelligence. It’s difficult to stay there...
Its difficult to stay where ?
Take away the word 'divine'..I like it just as unlimited intelligence... divine and Guru go together..
@@rafaywarraich9632 stay at onement with the Intelligence
Why is it difficult to stay there?
Why doesnt he put it as you say it. Pls notice K does mot give an answer to anything.Whatever he says its the same thing in different words and ending nowhere.
thank you for the great talks.
I think the highest form of intelligence is simply being this peace...love....light and blissful freedom of Self... the rest is...well...I call it nicely, entertainment of dreaming this Mayamind and even 4getting about...thats so...quiet a bit insane.
Thx 4 the uplouds...I like the way he express= sweet and sincere and firefull...just straight from the heart❤❤❤its so innocent and deep as well. In modern terms u would call this movement here....hacking beautyful ones brain...awsome❤
Limit is inevitably strong when comes to human mind but acceptableness to it is otherwise.
He's admirably great
Beautiful elaboration/reflection about this meaningful question. Thankful for the discussion. 🙏
Incredible simple but amazingly profound …❤
We are totally lovable ❤❤
Observer is the observed..thinker is the thought so there is no conflict. Natural awareness or choicless awareness is without conflict.
Excellent!
Marvelous 👍🙏
Wonderful!
Beautiful truth
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I 💯 agree with KM, help has made mankind weak.
Nice teachings never heard in this way.
I Love it!! Truly spiritual man and he says I am not your guru I am not your helper I must do this alone 😁. Wow I wish I could have talked to him now personally it'll make this a lot easier ✌
😭😭🙏🏻🙏🏻 Oh My Goodness.!!!!!
great I f I could follow right !
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and to not "fly" on the "automated captions" concerning this video, is also intelligence ;)
the brain which is tuned gives right note, right response
As a neuroscientist I can say it is not within the brain
Dr. James Cooke
James, would you mind giving some more insights or impressions?
Many thanks!
@@luraffa Of course! The intelligence of our brains is only the intelligence that we are most familiar with but it merely a small part of the larger intelligence of reality. The intelligence of evolution that created brains, the intelligence that creates harmony in the ecosystem. It's an intelligence that one can fall into and it will guide you into appropriate spontaneous action. The feeling of being a self with will is merely an illusion created by the brain that rides on top of this vast intelligence of reality that is pulling the strings.
@@DrJamesCooke the 'DNA' of the BIG BANG
Dr. James Cooke
Thanks a lot for a quick reply.
Actually I expected some kind of a scientific explanation instead of the spiritual approach I’ve been familiar with :-).
Is there any scientific evidence for this?
I appreciate your help.
@@luraffa In scientific terms one could say that the brain is simply a product of evolution and all behaviour is like unconscious instinct, there's no free will just deterministic interactions learnt through evolution. This view of reality can't be reduced to individual examples of scientific evidence though.
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It is intelligent to inquire into one's own being
3:04 correction needed in the caption.
that intelligence is the outcome of thought (and fog)
6:33 -7:50 favline .
a true gem, asks us to do it and didn't portrayed himself as a guru..... self dependency, as he speaks. We are responsible for everything in our life be it abundance or poverty and he wanted future generation to follow this with out being dependent on "guru" which is difficult to identify and get 😌
Another thing i have found out is, k also has knowledge about music 😁 He talks about Drums being tuned 🙌🏻
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Intelligence = Love = Infinite thought 💭 =
Unlimited unalloyed intelligence = love... what is infinite thought ? Intelligence of thought is always a limited tool useful too but leaves residue, pain and conflict
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Pay attention to the way he Enquires , it’ll start to run on you soon, maybe after listening to 100 talks, but you’ll get it 😅
... love
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Wow
I just want to say that there is nothing to say affter listening to this video.
wow i am speechless! great JK ! Thank you
I must probe into my life” yes
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Many thanks for your sharing, I have a question. JK said that where there is love, there is compassion. What exactly does he mean by love? Does he have an explanation in his own words?
20.15.. 20.45
20.01..DRUM..tuning..eventually give a right note.
Tuning brain resulting highest excellence..
The limited capacity of our conditioned intelligence in trying to grasp true intelligence which it cannot contain
Can I be responsible if I seek help? Of course! I am responsible for recognition that I need help, for decision to seek help , for choosing the type of help and a helper... I think, truthfulness is the largest responsibility. If you cannot stand on your feet right now and you lean on somebody's hand so you can walk and train and strengthen your feet... This is more responsible that to say I have to stand on my own feet...but since you cannot at the moment... What do you do? Just talking that you have to... Please do not take me wrong though. Do I disagree with JK? Not at all! He was talking to particular people and he was creating a particular type of situation. It was a method, but some people take it as a gospel and just repeat blindly words. It is his method. It is his brilliant way to test and challenge our intelligence.
He is not talking about physical help. He means the help that human seek for answers from others that they’re capable of finding
How can you be dependent on some ‘thing’ if you ‘are’ everything? You seek help because that is where help is found.
Intelligence = freedom
..an Agent that tells me from inside is that INTELLIGENCE before becoming a THOUGHT
What are the examples in natural as rain coming wind blowing sunshine in earth giving food etc
The tuner is the tuned...
He's a Bodhisattva. Maybe a Bodhisattva Mahasatva. Probably still liberating people from Ignorance where he dwells now.
So how does one tune the brain so it produces the correct tone? Meditation?
Life has to drag you through suffering until you make the only decision you have to make. To die is the answer... silence of mind is the ultimate. In this death there's true life.
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The truth needs no defense. Fun truth 4theday
22:20
K tuned the whole stadium man
His teachings emphasis on unconditional surrender or unconditional love, which supersede the limitations of the knowledge & intelligence a product of the brain! The concept of his teachings are more of Advaita philosophy which is non-duality, the thinker is the thought or the observer is observed. There is no dissimilarity between the universal consciousness and the individual consciousness ”Tat Tvam Asi ” you are that!
11:54 to 12:40 is significant
0:32 is it not a fact that all conflicts have their content in pairs of opposites which the mind continually spins? Cannot that conflict end instantaneously as one drops the thought of pairs of opposites? Then as JK puts it Love and compassion as pure intelligence takes over.
fkn marvelous:)
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Whats up..
Talk to me ...
I am feeling nervous
When man free from identity and competition?
Hello KFT Can you please provide me with the transcript, I have searched it on net but it only shows the video, can I get this in written format !Thank you !! :)
Third Question: Could you tell us something more about this vast intelligence of which you speak? Is it an untapped capacity within the brain, or is it some disembodied force to which we may become open?
Lovely question, isn't it?
There is ordinary intelligence, isn't there? You wouldn't be sitting here if you hadn't intelligence, would you? You took a train, you walked, you went by a car, you went by a bus and so on, which is the exercise of intelligence to come here because you wanted to come. Or it is intelligence to write a good letter. It is intelligence to put the computer together. It is intelligence that has put man on the moon. And it is not intelligence that puts a flag up there! (Laughter) Right? And it is intelligence that has made the computers, missiles, the atom bomb, the neutron bomb, the hydrogen bomb and all the things they are investigating about cancer - you follow? Liver trouble and so on and so on and so on. That all requires intelligence. And that intelligence is the outcome of thought - right? Right? But that intelligence is limited because it is the outcome of very careful, logical, experimental, systematic working it out, which is thought - right? And thought is limited therefore all measurement, which is technology, is limited; they are adding more and more and more every year - right? Where there is the 'more' it is limited - right? Are we together? Or the better is limited. I am better than yesterday. It is very limited.
Now, is there an intelligence which is not limited? I am asking you, I am - we are not telling each other. We recognise the common intelligence - earn money, do business, go to the factory, get up in the mornings, you know, all the rest of it. That requires certain intelligence, which is limited - right? Because it is the outcome of thought. And thought born of knowledge, and as knowledge is limited always in the future or now, so thought is always limited. And the intelligence of thought is limited. That is simple. And is there intelligence which is not limited? Right? Now who is going to find out? How will you find out? How - not how - how do you enquire? You understand? How do you probe into this, knowing that thought has created intelligence which is limited? The artist, the poet, the great sculptures, the great literary people, painters and so on, all their things are limited naturally - though the artists may not accept that. Scientists have accepted it because they are adding more and more and more every year, getting more and more knowledge about biology, about everything. So is there an intelligence which is not additive? You understand the word adding, adding, adding to it? How can one probe into this?
To go into it together - I am not telling you what to do, please. I am not your guru. I am not your leader. I am not your helper. That's not cruelty because we have been helped by so many people for thousands of years and this help has made us weak. This help from seeking from so many directions is making us feeble. We cannot stand on our own feet, observe and be responsible - right? If you are seeking help how can you be responsible? Or if you are dependent, how can you be responsible?
So how do we - is it possible to probe into this? Into that intelligence which is not limited? That intelligence we don't know - right? It is not the speaker has talked about it, he may know it, or he may not know it, that is irrelevant. But how shall we come upon it? To enquire into it, I must enquire into my whole existence - right? That means my existence, daily existence not some illusory existence on another plane, on another dimension and so on, super ego, super consciousness, all that ideological nonsense.
So I must probe into my life. Obviously the first thing is where there is conflict there is no intelligence. Right? If I am in conflict all the time with people, with ideas, with theories, opinions - right? - so is there an end to conflict? Which means is there an end to conflict and other problems so that the brain is free? Right? Are we together in this, at least verbally? You can see the logic of it, the sanity of this. The brain is conditioned and conditioned to conflict - I am taking that one issue. The brain is in conflict. Where there is conflict it is impossible to see things clearly. Right? I see things very clearly that thought is limited and whatever it does is limited, technologically, or spiritually, so-called spiritually, is limited. And one sees also conflict being the way of life, struggle, being somebody, achieving something and so on and so on and so on, is conflict. And conflict distorts perception - right? If I am quarrelling with my wife, or my husband, or with the neighbour, I cannot see things as they are. I won't go into it more.
So there must be, if I see the truth of it, that very truth frees the brain from conflict. That is intelligence. Right? Seeing the truth of something and let that truth act - right? I see very clearly as long as there is conflict in the brain it is not possible to see things clearly. That very perception ends conflict - right? Because it is so. It is so - a snake is dangerous. A wild animal is dangerous. It is so. There is no two ways about it. Right?
So where is conflict, where is the root of conflict? What makes the brain live in endless conflict? Is there a remedy for it? Not drugs, not alcohol, not some kind of fanciful imagination. Is there a perception that frees the brain from conflict and therefore that brain is now moving or living in quite a different state - right? And what is that state? You are following? We are not analysing, we are just observing.
Very briefly, we have got so little time, very briefly: the analyser is the analysed. Now there is the analyser separate from the thing he is analysing. I am analysing myself, suppose. I have separated myself from the thing which I am observing - right? I am angry or jealous or neurotic, probably neurotic more. I am neurotic and then I say, why am I neurotic as though it was something outside of me - right? I am neurotic because the brain is neurotic - right? My whole being is neurotic, it is not I am different from neurosis. So the observer, the analyser is the analysed - clear? Like the experiencer is the experience. Of course. It is rather difficult. Need I go into this? The thinker is the thought - right? That's clear. The thinker who says 'I am separate from thought' and therefore he controls thought, shapes - right? But the thinker is thought itself. So the thinker is the thought. The analyser is the analysed.
Now move the next step, which is: the experiencer is not different from the experience. He thinks he is different and therefore he says 'I must experience'. To experience you must recognise it - right? Otherwise it is not an experience. But to recognise it is to already know it. I wonder if - so the experiencer is the experience. The thinker is the thought. The analyser is the analysed. Right? Probably the analysts and therapists and so on won't agree with this. But it doesn't matter. Probably, I said, they may.
So there has been - if there is no conflict it means there is only the fact - right? Right? There is only the ending of conflict. It is a fact. Or not a fact. Then what takes place in relationship? You understand? That is when there is no conflict inside my brain, inside the brain, it is not my brain, it is the brain of all of us - that we won't go into for the moment. This brain is now without conflict - right? Because I have watched it, worked, looked at it and therefore in my relationship there is no conflict - with the woman, the man - right? Then when there is no conflict in relationship then what is it? Is it not love? Right? When there is no conflict - you understand? You are all so dazed about all this. When there is no conflict between you and me, you understand, there is no difference between you and me. You may be a woman and I am a man and so on. You may be tall, short, black, white, purple, or whatever it is, but when there is no conflict there is total relationship with you and me. That is love. Right? Love is not jealousy. Love is not desire. Love is not pleasure. Pleasure means conflict. Desire means conflict. I want to do something, you might want, my wife wants to do something else. Where there is love she can do what she wants but there is love. You understand? The whole transformation has taken place. Where there is love there is compassion. And where there is love and compassion that is intelligence. That intelligence gives - in that intelligence there is absolute security, not relative security. You understand? That is intelligence. But one has to be tremendously watchful, which we have been now. And that intelligence is limitless, it is not yours, or mine, it is intelligence. Love is not my love and your love, it is love. Yes sirs. That love may be for one or the many, it is still love. Where there is love there is no hate, there is no enemy. Sir, don't you know all this?
So that is intelligence. You can't talk endlessly about it unless you do it. One can talk about it, as I have been doing. If you go into it much deeper - I don't know if there is time for it.
You know, have you ever thought, looked at a drum? A drum is tuned to its highest excellence, the right tone. And when you strike on it, it gives the right note. Right? It is tuned. So the brain when it is tuned it gives the right note, the right response. I wonder if you capture all this. And it is not tuned, like the drum is not, when it is in conflict, it is slack. So to have the brain tuned. Not you tune the brain, because you are part of the brain. I won't go into all that. So is it possible, like the drum which is tuned to its highest excellence, to have the brain so tuned that it gives the right note all the time. Yes sirs.
@@KFoundation thank you :)
Quien subtitulada en castellano, español? Quien pone ruido de fondo en los videos? Es tan difícil delar a la gente tranquila?
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imagine if they speak about that on schools
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this is too advanced for me
The brain is a tool. It's not me. :)
The mind is a wonderful servant, but a terrible master.
Is there anyone other than k who has stumbled upon this intelligence ?
Yes it's love without the conditions of ego or self preservation or gratification..Just pure devotion or passion towards everything and everyone without discrimination. Giving equal importance to an ant as to a man, whichever way you look, An equinamity of thought and emotions throughout. Also a knowledge that the person or situation that you have an image of, that may be attractive or hurting you is inside you..So looking for it in your own existence and tuning your mind so that there is no image of a person in relationship..I.e. you are not carrying an expectation beforehand according to past behaviours of the person..Neither you are expecting him to act in a certain way according to your past interactions which would be a violation of the mind and manipulation of the other and urself..Not making an opinion about the other person.Just observing..Because the very observation brings about a change. Just like flowing water cuts the Mountains.
@@AkshaySingh-hv7ec k states that by just observing the disorder of the world order comes or intelligence awakens, but I’m aware of the disorder in the outside world and the disorder as my self but my life seems to be the same why is that ? Or is it a right question ?
Can love cohabits with pleasure? Or you need more relationships: for pleasure and for love with same or with more women or men?! Or you completely stop having pleasure! We chose between absolute security or experience and pleasure?
What! Alcohol doesn't do it!?
Unfortunately, he doesn't really answer the question! He does not speak of "vast intelligence" as distinct from limited intelligence (which led us to the moon). Too bad. Would have been exciting...
A legenda esta' péssima!
It's require much intelligence,
Intellgence required silance, after keeping full of silance, you could have know about itelligence
Have you
When the mind gets insight that mind with conflicts stops the silence, the result is silence, unlimited intelligence and love... This is what he said..
Buddha speaking English.
I wonder why Krishnamurti used to read sex novels
How you come to know
I don't get it. Can someone explain what he is saying.
How does one change in a deep way. Use examples if that will help.
thought is problem poison
I don't know why but jk is so damn confusing he never answers a question directly and I hate the way he tackles the questions put forward to him. It makes me wonder if he's really got the answer or just wanna deal with it somehow by confusing the questioner.
There's one thing with which I don't agree with him. Intelligence is not the outcome of thought. Thought is the outcome of intelligence.
Thought and intelligence are one and the Same....we should not separate them.
hahahahaha. plz tell me it was a joke.
thought is not the outcome intelligence, jidda is correct.. you are not..he said thought is always limited, therefore there is conflict, when there is conflict you cannot see things clearly, intelligently.. listen again to him
@@bingochoice So if you don't act on thought you can act intelligently but you also say intelligence is the outcome of thought. You don't make any sense. Intelligence comes before thought. Higher your intelligence, more complex thoughts you can form.
Thought means past experiences and nothing out of world...It is a useful tool essential too. But it is limited tool leaving residue ie more experience or adding to the past...leaving pain and conflict... To see truth, mind must be excellently tuned and silent, and that state is named love...
Iam not your guru j.k
i like Krishna but all that he said in this video is nonsense, it seemed to me like he wasn't sure about what he wants to say, he seemed hesitated many times and he didn't answer the question he was asked, or maybe he didn't understand the question, or he is running away from confessing that there is a creator and only this creator has the infinite Intelligence, he seemed very defensive to me in this video.
I think you are insisting there must be a creator outside of you
But u just follow , u dont know own your own.
But Jk does, he speaks only what he knows, all the charismatic people speaks ehat is truth..
This is not means to not use ur brain..u have brain....use it analyse it it is good for you , you can accept it. If not u just ignore it , or take apart , whenever somehow in future , if you understand it , means u accept it , because it is yours own true knowledge...
It's intelligent to go the moon but it's not intelligent to put a flag on it lol