@@cursedcliff7562 probably change your trucks if you get speed wobbles. Indys are notorious for speed wobbles. Tracker trucks are the most stable truck, and loose bushings are a great combo with them.
The slipped axel had me laughing. I forgot all about slipped axels, but it really was a problem back in the day. Awesome video-the tiny wheels were a great idea.
Although I haven’t watched this video yet one thing is for sure. This is the best video that has been uploaded to UA-cam since the beginning of time. Thank you so much Mr Degros.
Emotions run high when it comes to truck preferences and I'm no exception. The 7's are my favorite trucks ever, I still skate them and have multiple sets and even a new old stock set displayed on my wall. They make your board ride like a tank and I love everything about them. They need to reissue the stage 7's
Amazing!!! Everything you said just brings me back. They were really the only truck back then. Broken kingpins slipping axles.... it was just normal everyday program. I had a really good way to change out kingpins back then, it was a real process that took time. Thanks for this.
My first Indy's are from 1988/9 they're 169's on a 10" Chris Miller board with 1/2 risers, rails and 64mm 97a black G-Bones wheels. Now I ride 149's Titaniums :)
Absolutely entertained, those 44m remind me of my little sisters rollerskate wheels what a blast from the past and the Indys too. Thanks for that Been very cool, well done
Stage 8 Indys were the best ever, an old skate shop here went out of business years ago and I bought every pair of 149s they had at less than shop cost. I still have one pair left today. I never liked any Indys as much after that. Didn't hate them just didn't feel the same to me.
Bro I just rolled 45 years old Thursday, I'm on a very limited skate budget now a days since I don't skate near as much. That and I stepped up to 159s when I started mainly riding 8.5 or slightly bigger. I have a flat/satin black pair of stage 9 or 10 159s when they were still using the stage 8 hanger designs for the 149-169 and only using the newer design for the smaller higher selling sizes. Those were shitty stages to me in my opinion but that's all it is is opinion. I rode 8.25-8.38 when I rode 149s, I always preferred my hanger slightly wider than my deck.
So happy you made this video! I recently got back into skateboarding after a nearly 25 year hiatus.. I bought my last setup in 1996, unidentified Indy trucks and an 8" Girl Deck.. I just recently discovered that the timeline of Indy trucks makes the ones I have stage 7, and I thought I was going crazy with the axle shifting around... Nice to see that it's not just me! I think I should get a new set of trucks.
Shouldn't have watched this great video being not able to skate due to bad weather! Next "Vancouver Carpenter" Vid: "How to skate inside your home and still married"
If you would have worn giant pants in this you would have nailed the time period. I didn't skate at all in the 90s. Small wheels and giant pants was the point when I stepped away.
@J. Mtz I don't disagree with your statement. The rise of world industries and the skaters that changed the game were critical to the progression of skateboarding. But for me personally it was not the right time. To much changed to quickly for me. Long story short, in San Diego at the time there was kind of a choice, be a skater or be an athlete. It was not acceptable back then to be both. I chose athlete. But in my 40s I can appreciate all that it was and all that it is.
I remember back in my skate heyday 2002ish, nobody was skating indys cuz they were too heavy. it was more thunder,venture, and hell iv seen royals skated over indys back then! it's after the stage 11s came out when ppl did a complete 180 about their opinions on indys.
Indy stage 7s Rowley only skates those Because of how good they grind. And I agree I used to have a pair gave me confidence with all the grinds I waa landing
I LOVE this! Having just picked up a Gonz re-issue from the early 90's rocking Indy 169's it's amazing the tricks those guys could pull off back in the day! You should try and pickup an old re-issue setup and do a video on that.
Back in the day I used 159's with a red top and a bottom blue bushings with a grind king just touching the bushings and they turned great and didn't hang at all. Sometimes I get an urge to get back on a skate so big after my daughter started riding that you can't imagine.
Oddly I've been thinking about picking up a set of those Boardycakes fat bunts and some 6.1 Ventures for a retro fat and low 92-93 set up. I used to have those old first Venture Featherlites when decks were still around 8.75-9.125 wide. They were sick although I eventually went back to Indys. Oddly those old 8.5 or 8.75 (I don't remember the exact size) Ventures were probably my second favorite trucks ever.
I remember getting a brand new pair of these, & two hrs in just tapping the axle ,the pivot arm broke . I've ridden venture since till 2016 ,and I tried another set . Still great but the bushings have been nothing but trouble. I was going to go in & get a set of ventures or thunders on Fri, but life happened. Then today I discovered there was a tram drivers' strike. So I'll be going in tomorrow to sort out my woes. Thanks for the great content Ben. You're an inspiration mate.
I ride Tracker Ultralites in the late 80s and then Gullwing Prototypes. Quit at start of 90 but back rocking the Gullwings NOW. LOVE THEM and wish they still made them
mid 90's wheels were crazy small think my first set up had 38mm bearing covers on it. Never had the money for Indy's back then so I got a set of Venture trucks pretty much the same issues with the slipping axel and definitely had to carry around some extra kingpins for every skate. Hell even hitting a pebble rolling around could snap a kingpin. This is probably my favourite video of yours in awhile great work ,💥
I would love some stage 3's There's also another good quote from that Loveletters episode. "If you got brand new trucks and you're not fucking with your bushings. Then you're fucking with yourself." With indys , ths bushings always felt so good. I never needed to switch. Thunders and ventures I did however
Just got myself a new setup: -8.75 Anti Hero eagle board -Indy 159 stage 11 hollows -Spitfire Formula 4 99 Grossos I've never rode anything bigger than an 8.38 and it rips!! @Ben Degros, Do a review on 159s!
Nice setup, your Anti-hero board have a popsicle shape and how it feels? I used to hate a lot Independant trucks but i started to buy big shape board and finally i find out that the bigger the indy trucks the better it feels!!!(now i own 144 ti, 159 hollow and 169 hollow😜)Just cant wait to buy a popsicle shape for 159!!
@@vinceamir7236yeah man it has decent pop, maybe not as good as my 8.38 but it makes up for it with feel. Carving around and turning feels awesome. I'd say better for skating transition then tech flip tricks. Still doable but not optimal
I just remember Indys being heavy as hell lol. I remember hating them in the early 2000's because they felt like a tank. I remember all the dudes who tore up the pool and the likes skating indy's.
Really digging your channel! Great content, sick skating, and you're thankfully one of the only UA-camrs who seems to get right to the point of the video. You're a real one :P
Great experiment! I think the small wheels were also to give you a low centre of gravity feel. Try wheel slides on flat ground. Ive been riding since 1977, when wheels were suuuper wide and had deeep insets. They looked like hotrod fats from cartoons. Please, try to go further back in time. It really explains tricks and terrain of the times.
I still have my stage 5s from '88. Ground to the axles, never slipped. I wish I could find some old Grind King kingpins for them and some green SuperCush bushings.
Loving the truck reviews; I actually went back to re-watch all the truck review and wheelbase videos just to find that comment about "trucks are the soul of the board". It's from "Independent VS Thunder(what's the difference)".
ive seen clips of penny tapping his axle... thought he was just messing around or something lol slipped axxles were before my time. looking forward to the stage 8 review 🤙
I just refurbished some old Indus I had sitting around. I think they’re Stage 8s but I’m not 100% sure. I lost one set of bushings when the kingpin snapped all those decades ago, and I’m not really feeling he new Indy bushings. I’m gonna need to check out those wheels cuz I used to ride 48mm back in the day. I can’t seem to find a young smaller than 52mm in stores nowadays.
Yep...my first set of wheels were 40 mil Spitfires (red) with some stage 7 Indy. Switched to venture, then Gullwing....then Krux........but ended up back at Indy. I want to try Ace .....but I love my Indy.
my first trucks were venture... they were aight then i got thunders they were nice now i just bought my first indys and i loooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooove them
Remove the crappy cheddar cheese looking bushings which have no rebound and replace them with Powell Hardcore Bushings mediums which rebound to center every time to resolve king pin issue remove them and replace with GrindKing or Deadbolt inverted kingpins and enjoy the best truck setup ever!
OMFG @8:04. 😝 Was *just* writing a reply about how I'd never ride Independents again after being burned by axle slip on a pair I'd had on a 8.75 Zero back in 99. 🔥 Very glad this issue got brought up so I can just link this video the next time a clerk tries to push a set on me. Never again. Pebbles are bad enough, and popular trash is still trash.
Axle slip is still an issue within trucks, I've had it with thunders and Indis, they could solve it by putting a more squared or flat in the centre axle, it would take a lot of time to get it right
That is a crazy looking pointed quarter pipe thing! Has anyone ever blunt to fakie the tip of that or blunt stall and slide down the edge? Super cool obstacle
skated some 40mm autobahns for the past week. they aren't that bad. they cause too much attention, make me skate slow and make rail tricks scary so i had to switch back. other than that my slides were smoother my grinds felt fine and my transition skills were good too.
Axle slip is the worst. I had some minor axle slip on my last set of Thunders; very minor, but when you don't like to much left to right play in your wheels it is enough to cause some problems. I have a friend that skates tiny wheels; I'll have to tell him about boardycakes, some of his wheels barely look bigger than the bearings. I like 54-56mm wheels personally, but I'm a bit curious now what it would feel like to skate something smaller.
What are the thickness/height measurements for the stage 7 top and bottom bushings? Can't find that info anywhere. And, yes, I looked through all 33 pages of the main thread on Slap, and through several other threads on Slap and in other skate forums and historical skate sites and forums. None that I've looked through list the measurements for Stage 7 bushings. I'm trying to "adapt" some stage 11 bushings to fit in my stage 7 trucks and I don't have the original stage vii bushings to measure off of, but I'd like to get the original geometry right. Stage 7's were also my first Indys and my first real truck. I've kept this set all these years, as I moved on to other Indy versions at the time and had these laying around in almost new condition. But I have no idea where the bushings went. Probably into another set of trucks at some point along the way.
i think I'm gonna get those mini wheels. i know you're not the biggest fan of avenue trucks unless its for a cruiser but I use them regularly and for me, they're too high for my liking and the smaller wheels would help. and sure you'd get hard vibrations and shorter lasting speeds but i think the suspension would help combat that a bit.
Honestly I hated those industry trucks, the kingpin bolt sticks up above the axel and they were heavy as hell! I always liked the trucks with the Allen head bolt the started with a G? I’m sure their sweet once you swapped the king pin nut.
What stage would my Indies from '89/90 be? I ground them to the axle in within a year also. Can't speak for other parts of the world, but where I was we needed tougher trucks b/c we didn't have parks, just crap midwestern crete and asphalt.
they "talk alot" about these having superior turning. Yet the only time i felt superior feel/turns with the stage XI, and X....were from swapping to bones med or hard bushings. No more wheels popping up/off the ground when landing sketchy or leaning too hard one direction/leg. Then they started pushing the indy conical bushings and i was able to try harder bushings than their stock ones...No DOUBT when i first saw these Stage 7's i knew the top bushing was much taller than the current conicals...as well as the bottom being larger "now" to accomodate the 55mm XI vs the conicals the previously made during the stage X/XI design. A slight cylinder before a tapered/cone. The IX bushings were a bit more rounded/able to blow out/flatten out. But back then it was the only way to add a little more "LEAN" to your setup before it would get too wild to control Or just a way to calibrate your maximum lean before your board would pull its wheels up/powerslide in transition/slick parks. OFC the colored trucks or all black bushings were a lot softer in this era and one of the only ways i could get different INDY/bushing durometers. Either way IMO i think the turn/feel of indys is primarily more a characteristic of bushings/height/clearance and pivot cup aspects than PURE hanger geometry. IMO a better baseplate/swap or bushings like pure connical would probably UP the potential of ventures for me. Thunder bushings/conical/domes in ventures even vs the cylinder bottom they come with. Since bones hards vs stock ventures are already such a change in riding/position characteristics in transition/airs going wall to wall. Plus ppl running these as "META" went from running 40mm wheels to east coast riders rocking the stage 7 with 56mm+ wheels. IDK if i can trust that level of "TURNING" when the comparisoin is venture lights, and thunders pre design swap "know control". Since then ventures still had axle slip cracked base plates...and thunders still crack basepaltes to this day as well...as cracked/broken hangers. YET ppl will gripe about INDY being MIC or haivng lost its INDY cross even though it was only implemented in the 90s on the base plate...that would seemingly just get grinded off anyways after a few nose/tail slides...SMDH
I ride GrindKings from the late 90s they still feel great. of course there are better ones out there, but i would not want to change until they eventually break
Hey Ben! Can you do a review on a Tracker Trucks? Dart or Axis. Really intresting what range of turn are this and how does they feel in your opinion. It woulde be cool check them myself but now i don't have enough money and find only one shop, that shiping them to Russia. :D
@@stephenschwake524 those Tracker plastic base plates didn't fare too well in cold weather. I had a pair of Gullwing Pro 3s became Chris Miller rode them and they weren't too bad at the time.
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"The trucks are like the soul of your skateboard." - Scott Oster
I would have bet it was plato or socrates
@@mulldriftyr It does make alot of sense when you put it in that context.
I think the user name was Vasectomy Fail from the "Indepnedents vs Thunder" video; which is a great user name.
My board has to have the bushings suuuuper loose to turn
But then i speedwobble all the time
@@cursedcliff7562 probably change your trucks if you get speed wobbles. Indys are notorious for speed wobbles. Tracker trucks are the most stable truck, and loose bushings are a great combo with them.
You need bigger pants to go with those tiny wheels.
90s rule!!
The slipped axel had me laughing. I forgot all about slipped axels, but it really was a problem back in the day. Awesome video-the tiny wheels were a great idea.
Kyle Breeden what is a slipped axle ?
Citric Big t axle moving in the truck
a problem that was remedied by using spacers in the wheels.
So many memories, and not in a good way.. hahaha
I I rememeber always break8ng the baseplates on one of them. Ventures and indy 9 i think. Ventures broke the easiest
Although I haven’t watched this video yet one thing is for sure. This is the best video that has been uploaded to UA-cam since the beginning of time. Thank you so much Mr Degros.
😂 thanks waz
@@bendegros What are the thickness/height measurements for the stage 7 top and bottom bushings?
Can't find that info anywhere.
Emotions run high when it comes to truck preferences and I'm no exception. The 7's are my favorite trucks ever, I still skate them and have multiple sets and even a new old stock set displayed on my wall. They make your board ride like a tank and I love everything about them. They need to reissue the stage 7's
That park is chill af. I could skate that ledge all day.
Amazing!!! Everything you said just brings me back.
They were really the only truck back then. Broken kingpins slipping axles.... it was just normal everyday program.
I had a really good way to change out kingpins back then, it was a real process that took time.
Thanks for this.
Such a nostalgic video. I also used to hit down the axle of my Indies in those crazy and baggy times of the 90´s over here in Brazil !
My first Indy's are from 1988/9 they're 169's on a 10" Chris Miller board with 1/2 risers, rails and 64mm 97a black G-Bones wheels. Now I ride 149's Titaniums :)
What stage?
Would be stage 5's in '89
I knew the Van's in your drywall videos weren't just for fashion. Awesome to see you ripping on a skateboard
Absolutely entertained, those 44m remind me of my little sisters rollerskate wheels what a blast from the past and the Indys too. Thanks for that Been very cool, well done
Stage 8 Indys were the best ever, an old skate shop here went out of business years ago and I bought every pair of 149s they had at less than shop cost. I still have one pair left today. I never liked any Indys as much after that. Didn't hate them just didn't feel the same to me.
Bro I just rolled 45 years old Thursday, I'm on a very limited skate budget now a days since I don't skate near as much. That and I stepped up to 159s when I started mainly riding 8.5 or slightly bigger. I have a flat/satin black pair of stage 9 or 10 159s when they were still using the stage 8 hanger designs for the 149-169 and only using the newer design for the smaller higher selling sizes. Those were shitty stages to me in my opinion but that's all it is is opinion. I rode 8.25-8.38 when I rode 149s, I always preferred my hanger slightly wider than my deck.
PLEASE SHOW SOME OF YOUR SKATECLIPS FROM THE 90s OR EARLY 2000s
Apparently he doesn't have much footage
Fartbong is such a dope name
HipHopBeatSource thanks g
So happy you made this video! I recently got back into skateboarding after a nearly 25 year hiatus.. I bought my last setup in 1996, unidentified Indy trucks and an 8" Girl Deck.. I just recently discovered that the timeline of Indy trucks makes the ones I have stage 7, and I thought I was going crazy with the axle shifting around... Nice to see that it's not just me! I think I should get a new set of trucks.
Shouldn't have watched this great video being not able to skate due to bad weather!
Next "Vancouver Carpenter" Vid: "How to skate inside your home and still married"
It's finally been done. The exact video that I needed to die happy and complete. Thank you sir. 🔥🙌🙏🛹🔨
If you would have worn giant pants in this you would have nailed the time period.
I didn't skate at all in the 90s. Small wheels and giant pants was the point when I stepped away.
@J. Mtz I don't disagree with your statement. The rise of world industries and the skaters that changed the game were critical to the progression of skateboarding. But for me personally it was not the right time. To much changed to quickly for me. Long story short, in San Diego at the time there was kind of a choice, be a skater or be an athlete. It was not acceptable back then to be both. I chose athlete. But in my 40s I can appreciate all that it was and all that it is.
I remember back in my skate heyday 2002ish, nobody was skating indys cuz they were too heavy. it was more thunder,venture, and hell iv seen royals skated over indys back then! it's after the stage 11s came out when ppl did a complete 180 about their opinions on indys.
Better contact Geoff Rowley, He's gonna quit skating when he can't find those any more! He hooked me up for some!
Gerald S more of the story??
Indy stage 7s Rowley only skates those Because of how good they grind. And I agree I used to have a pair gave me confidence with all the grinds I waa landing
skating in vancouver is one of the most fun things on the entire planet. i spent a month there this summer and i wish it could have lasted forever.
I LOVE this! Having just picked up a Gonz re-issue from the early 90's rocking Indy 169's it's amazing the tricks those guys could pull off back in the day! You should try and pickup an old re-issue setup and do a video on that.
Back in the day I used 159's with a red top and a bottom blue bushings with a grind king just touching the bushings and they turned great and didn't hang at all. Sometimes I get an urge to get back on a skate so big after my daughter started riding that you can't imagine.
Oddly I've been thinking about picking up a set of those Boardycakes fat bunts and some 6.1 Ventures for a retro fat and low 92-93 set up. I used to have those old first Venture Featherlites when decks were still around 8.75-9.125 wide. They were sick although I eventually went back to Indys. Oddly those old 8.5 or 8.75 (I don't remember the exact size) Ventures were probably my second favorite trucks ever.
Sweetness found a brand new set of stage 6 I had. Maybe can hock em to buy a new board 🤙🏼
Already have snow on the ground, darn you and your ideal canadian weather
I remember getting a brand new pair of these,
& two hrs in just tapping the axle ,the pivot arm broke .
I've ridden venture since till 2016 ,and I tried another set .
Still great but the bushings have been nothing but trouble.
I was going to go in & get a set of ventures or thunders on Fri, but life happened.
Then today I discovered there was a tram drivers' strike.
So I'll be going in tomorrow to sort out my woes.
Thanks for the great content Ben.
You're an inspiration mate.
I like the nose slide at 9:13. Didn't even ollie. Just locked in and slid the whole thing.
Broke these kingpins regularly! I still have some stage 7's never knew they were so collected or sought after though
Having spacers in your wheels might help with the slipping. And bushings can get harder in the colder weather.
Oh man, stage 7’s were my favorite. Stage 8’s were the “bendies”, with the axles that bent. After that I quit skating Indy for about 15 years
I ride Tracker Ultralites in the late 80s and then Gullwing Prototypes. Quit at start of 90 but back rocking the Gullwings NOW. LOVE THEM and wish they still made them
mid 90's wheels were crazy small think my first set up had 38mm bearing covers on it. Never had the money for Indy's back then so I got a set of Venture trucks pretty much the same issues with the slipping axel and definitely had to carry around some extra kingpins for every skate. Hell even hitting a pebble rolling around could snap a kingpin.
This is probably my favourite video of yours in awhile great work ,💥
Thank you!
I would love some stage 3's
There's also another good quote from that Loveletters episode. "If you got brand new trucks and you're not fucking with your bushings. Then you're fucking with yourself."
With indys , ths bushings always felt so good. I never needed to switch. Thunders and ventures I did however
Oh man, forgot about the locked wheels... thanks for making my day.
Thank you for the video! Although I'm new to skating, this was very entertaining and awesome to learn about these old setups from back in the day.
Just got myself a new setup:
-8.75 Anti Hero eagle board
-Indy 159 stage 11 hollows
-Spitfire Formula 4 99 Grossos
I've never rode anything bigger than an 8.38 and it rips!! @Ben Degros, Do a review on 159s!
He did.
Nice setup, your Anti-hero board have a popsicle shape and how it feels? I used to hate a lot Independant trucks but i started to buy big shape board and finally i find out that the bigger the indy trucks the better it feels!!!(now i own 144 ti, 159 hollow and 169 hollow😜)Just cant wait to buy a popsicle shape for 159!!
@@vinceamir7236yeah man it has decent pop, maybe not as good as my 8.38 but it makes up for it with feel. Carving around and turning feels awesome. I'd say better for skating transition then tech flip tricks. Still doable but not optimal
Sorry to reiterate he did a review on 159s on an 8,5 and I believe 8.25 with trucks way bigger than your board.
I just remember Indys being heavy as hell lol. I remember hating them in the early 2000's because they felt like a tank. I remember all the dudes who tore up the pool and the likes skating indy's.
Dude I wish you uploaded more. You’re my favorite channel. No bullshit just a dude who loves skateboarding. Thanks for the awesome content 👊
Your skateboarding on that setup looks so natural. You must have felt like you were in the past
I remember those old indy trucks. They were so bad. But there was no alternative until Tensor trucks came out.
Really digging your channel! Great content, sick skating, and you're thankfully one of the only UA-camrs who seems to get right to the point of the video. You're a real one :P
great review I liked that you back your references with pics and clips nice one
Great experiment!
I think the small wheels were also to give you a low centre of gravity feel. Try wheel slides on flat ground.
Ive been riding since 1977, when wheels were suuuper wide and had deeep insets. They looked like hotrod fats from cartoons. Please, try to go further back in time. It really explains tricks and terrain of the times.
That pic is sick! Little Ben pops an Ollie!
I still have my stage 5s from '88. Ground to the axles, never slipped. I wish I could find some old Grind King kingpins for them and some green SuperCush bushings.
My first board was a street warrior had plastic trucks and a shield over the kingpin so you could pop up gutters loved that shit
Loving the truck reviews; I actually went back to re-watch all the truck review and wheelbase videos just to find that comment about "trucks are the soul of the board". It's from "Independent VS Thunder(what's the difference)".
ive seen clips of penny tapping his axle... thought he was just messing around or something lol slipped axxles were before my time. looking forward to the stage 8 review 🤙
That was the first thing I thought about and realized too haha
I put my trucks like that on my Quasi board and landed my 1st kickflip, slipping axel and all. I think they are Indy's from - '93.
I just refurbished some old Indus I had sitting around. I think they’re Stage 8s but I’m not 100% sure. I lost one set of bushings when the kingpin snapped all those decades ago, and I’m not really feeling he new Indy bushings.
I’m gonna need to check out those wheels cuz I used to ride 48mm back in the day. I can’t seem to find a young smaller than 52mm in stores nowadays.
Yep...my first set of wheels were 40 mil Spitfires (red) with some stage 7 Indy. Switched to venture, then Gullwing....then Krux........but ended up back at Indy. I want to try Ace .....but I love my Indy.
Those wheels are sick
Hell yeah!
...not quite as sick as dingle-berries though.
Especially the older ones.
...shits like petrified wood after a while.
Still have my old Indys with the Grind King kingpins.Great video!
Early grabs in the last video, now No Comply 180? Heck yeah, Ben, rockin' the cool tricks now!
"They put the fun in non-functional..."
What a coooool segment! I loved it
Yeah I don't miss those 90s trucks as all of them slipped even if they tried to add an additional weld in the inside of the hanger
My first skateboard had these. Were so heavy but there are a few things that I liked about the weight.
So true, we would've called that cheating; foot touching the ground and all ! Nice one Ben !
44mm wheels? The 38mm Spitfires I rocked in 1996 scoff at your massive wheels sir! What were we thinking back then? The ridiculous clothes too lol.
I skate a set of stage 9 Indy’s... found them at my local flea market. They make the new Indy’s feel like garbage. Till they’re dust!
I twould be so cool to see you set up a board as close to one of your OG setups, and even dress the part, and go fo ra classic street sesh.
Revive back the 90s setups!
my first trucks were venture... they were aight
then i got thunders they were nice
now i just bought my first indys and i loooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooove them
He's a skater, carpenter, and doesn't always drink beer, but when he does, he prefers Dos Equis.
I'm riding my indys from 96-97 at present.
Remove the crappy cheddar cheese looking bushings which have no rebound and replace them with Powell Hardcore Bushings mediums which rebound to center every time to resolve king pin issue remove them and replace with GrindKing or Deadbolt inverted kingpins and enjoy the best truck setup ever!
Gold stage 7s were the absolute best trick I've ever ridden
OMFG @8:04. 😝 Was *just* writing a reply about how I'd never ride Independents again after being burned by axle slip on a pair I'd had on a 8.75 Zero back in 99. 🔥
Very glad this issue got brought up so I can just link this video the next time a clerk tries to push a set on me. Never again. Pebbles are bad enough, and popular trash is still trash.
I really would love it if they re-released these in 149s
Axle slip is still an issue within trucks, I've had it with thunders and Indis, they could solve it by putting a more squared or flat in the centre axle, it would take a lot of time to get it right
Ripping, nice one Ben! the wheels were the icing on the cake haha.
That is a crazy looking pointed quarter pipe thing! Has anyone ever blunt to fakie the tip of that or blunt stall and slide down the edge? Super cool obstacle
skated some 40mm autobahns for the past week. they aren't that bad. they cause too much attention, make me skate slow and make rail tricks scary so i had to switch back. other than that my slides were smoother my grinds felt fine and my transition skills were good too.
maybe for your next shoe you could pick es accel slims, ive heard good about them and id like to hear your opinion on them
Ben, since new Indy Stage VII bushings are now available would you ever consider trying them out and making an updated video?
You should slide a ply through your deck or grind your baseplate down to the pivot cup!
Axle slip is the worst. I had some minor axle slip on my last set of Thunders; very minor, but when you don't like to much left to right play in your wheels it is enough to cause some problems. I have a friend that skates tiny wheels; I'll have to tell him about boardycakes, some of his wheels barely look bigger than the bearings. I like 54-56mm wheels personally, but I'm a bit curious now what it would feel like to skate something smaller.
What are the thickness/height measurements for the stage 7 top and bottom bushings?
Can't find that info anywhere. And, yes, I looked through all 33 pages of the main thread on Slap, and through several other threads on Slap and in other skate forums and historical skate sites and forums. None that I've looked through list the measurements for Stage 7 bushings.
I'm trying to "adapt" some stage 11 bushings to fit in my stage 7 trucks and I don't have the original stage vii bushings to measure off of, but I'd like to get the original geometry right.
Stage 7's were also my first Indys and my first real truck. I've kept this set all these years, as I moved on to other Indy versions at the time and had these laying around in almost new condition. But I have no idea where the bushings went. Probably into another set of trucks at some point along the way.
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The nollie flip on the triangle thing was sik
I got the first 169s around 40 years old
I would love to skate a 7 3/4 with 42mms one more time haha. So rad
if you kept the new indy bushings but had the boardy cakes on it probably would've been really good
I always ground down pin for less hang up. 87 indys to 92
Also I remember the old thunder trucks used to suck from what I remember this was around 95-96 they just had the black bushings
Been waiting for this
i think I'm gonna get those mini wheels. i know you're not the biggest fan of avenue trucks unless its for a cruiser but I use them regularly and for me, they're too high for my liking and the smaller wheels would help. and sure you'd get hard vibrations and shorter lasting speeds but i think the suspension would help combat that a bit.
Try out those Avenue spring trucks.
Surprise pop
should have used the new top bushing with the old bottom
independent is the best trucks out there, nothing ive used has compared, indies with some ricta wheels is my go to
Honestly I hated those industry trucks, the kingpin bolt sticks up above the axel and they were heavy as hell! I always liked the trucks with the Allen head bolt the started with a G? I’m sure their sweet once you swapped the king pin nut.
Good morning Ben have a good weekend! Did you heard about the new Ace trucks they remodeled them and made normal axel widths
What stage would my Indies from '89/90 be? I ground them to the axle in within a year also. Can't speak for other parts of the world, but where I was we needed tougher trucks b/c we didn't have parks, just crap midwestern crete and asphalt.
they "talk alot" about these having superior turning. Yet the only time i felt superior feel/turns with the stage XI, and X....were from swapping to bones med or hard bushings. No more wheels popping up/off the ground when landing sketchy or leaning too hard one direction/leg. Then they started pushing the indy conical bushings and i was able to try harder bushings than their stock ones...No DOUBT when i first saw these Stage 7's i knew the top bushing was much taller than the current conicals...as well as the bottom being larger "now" to accomodate the 55mm XI vs the conicals the previously made during the stage X/XI design. A slight cylinder before a tapered/cone. The IX bushings were a bit more rounded/able to blow out/flatten out. But back then it was the only way to add a little more "LEAN" to your setup before it would get too wild to control Or just a way to calibrate your maximum lean before your board would pull its wheels up/powerslide in transition/slick parks. OFC the colored trucks or all black bushings were a lot softer in this era and one of the only ways i could get different INDY/bushing durometers. Either way IMO i think the turn/feel of indys is primarily more a characteristic of bushings/height/clearance and pivot cup aspects than PURE hanger geometry. IMO a better baseplate/swap or bushings like pure connical would probably UP the potential of ventures for me. Thunder bushings/conical/domes in ventures even vs the cylinder bottom they come with. Since bones hards vs stock ventures are already such a change in riding/position characteristics in transition/airs going wall to wall. Plus ppl running these as "META" went from running 40mm wheels to east coast riders rocking the stage 7 with 56mm+ wheels. IDK if i can trust that level of "TURNING" when the comparisoin is venture lights, and thunders pre design swap "know control". Since then ventures still had axle slip cracked base plates...and thunders still crack basepaltes to this day as well...as cracked/broken hangers. YET ppl will gripe about INDY being MIC or haivng lost its INDY cross even though it was only implemented in the 90s on the base plate...that would seemingly just get grinded off anyways after a few nose/tail slides...SMDH
I ride GrindKings from the late 90s they still feel great. of course there are better ones out there, but i would not want to change until they eventually break
Hey Ben! Can you do a review on a Tracker Trucks? Dart or Axis.
Really intresting what range of turn are this and how does they feel in your opinion. It woulde be cool check them myself but now i don't have enough money and find only one shop, that shiping them to Russia. :D
@SIOUXICIDE * Thanks for the answer!
How do 25yr old indy's feel?
Terrible.
Way better than 30 year old Trackers.
Better than new tensors
@@davidbass3178 what's wrong with the new tensors? I was thinking of getting a pair of the newest cheap ones to see if they're any good.
@@stephenschwake524 those Tracker plastic base plates didn't fare too well in cold weather. I had a pair of Gullwing Pro 3s became Chris Miller rode them and they weren't too bad at the time.
Been looking for tiny for a while for my 1992 set up
I got slip axle on my 3 week old stage 11s.