the fact that adult police officers felt sick and teary eyed while they had to go through that apartment unit and to imagine a literal child trapped in there for years. so heartbreaking.
It’s crazy that their bodies were in the apartment for all those years and nobody knew. That poor boy, it’s heartbreaking to know what he went through and how he had to live.
Sometimes I feel South Korea as a whole is a very depressed society. The fact that they don't care about a crying child in a god awful smelly house until it starts becoming too much to ignore. The fact that two whole people with families disappear and nobody reports them missing and try to find them. The woman is literally insane and nobody in her family or coworkers notice and try to get her help. It makes me really sad.
@@Canyouseemeanna Oh girl, you're too neive to think its just a Korean thing. Trust me, I live in California, and our family fights are insane, police comes at least once a week, and my dad and mom, and sometimes brother is constantly yelling and swearing at each other. They've (prideminetly my brother) broken cars, windows, and house wooden walls. Do you think a neighbor comes checking if I am okay? No. the neighbors ignore me, and their children are scared to acknowledge me. Which is understandable, what are they gonna do? call the police? Like I told you before, police comes every single week, multiple times a week, usually my brother or mom is the one to call them. But when the police comes, obviously they are going to stop screaming, and act calm, my mom usually blocks us from saying something and goes forward to say it was just a family fight and its all solved now, and that shes sorry for wasting their time. They always say if this happens one more time, they have to arrest and ask questions in the department but that never happens. They know my faces, and I know their names but they don't do anything.
24 years would have been somewhat fair because I don't think anyone can prove she had killed her husband. Perhaps stealing his identity (his cellphone SIM). She should have also been charged with child neglect and child abuse.
@@goodbher9244some actually gave 10 years as live sentence .. a pedo got released recently after just 8 years (kept his daughter in the basement for 20 years and forced her to inbreed)
I'm a mom myself and my heart is hurting for the little boy... Just imagining this scared little boy in this filthy apartment makes me cry. I hope he is now well treated and protected... Every child deserves parents, but not every parent deserves a child.
The fact that this all happened around kids is just sad. Not only did she ruin her oldest child’s mind but her youngest… Korea should look over this case again..
Korea has one of the worst legal system. For context here is an even worse instance of this: "On Dec. 11, 2008, Cho kidnapped an eight-year-old girl - who the media later gave the pseudonym of Na-young - on her way to school in Ansan, Gyeonggi. Na-young underwent eight hours of surgery due to Cho’s violence but the rape and torture left around 80 percent of her lower organs completely dysfunctional.
Cho was given 12 years in prison and mandated that he wear an electronic anklet for an additional seven years - a sentence that took into account the defense’s argument that Cho was under the influence of alcohol when he committed the crime."
@@PupfromSaturn that was 6 months ago and they were talking about the boy in the story, why would they need to retype it? “Oh that young man is almost 18 now”
Even though everything with this case is absolutely wild, the most shocking thing for me was how long she was sentenced. Double homicide, child abuse, and child abandonment?? 18 YEARS?!? THATS IT???
Ikr??? Like what in the hell? This case reminds me of the case in the US, where parents killed one child and left 2-3 children living with its corpse for several years. I don't remember the sentence, but I'm pretty damn sure it was much longer than 18 years...
@@ayeshasiddika7137it's not uncommon in iron deficiency and connective tissue disorders, but in a completely healthy person, it's odd. for most people, it's pretty faint, so it's not noticed. but his must have been pretty vibrant.
Was looking for this comment, surprised they weren't able to find out about that! There's a few conditions that can also lead to this, but I'd assume in this case it was probably iron deficiency.
I can understand that a son would help his mom hide his dad's body. We don't know what this woman was like or what it was like to be her child. Seventeen years is a long time to be under someone's influence.
Same. When i was 15 my dad had shot my mom in an argument (luckily she survived with little permanent damage) ..but even before i knew that and as my dad was getting arrested i said "i forgive you its ok" ...abuse and brainwashing aside thats your PARENT. Esp when you didnt witness everything exactly that led up to it. The temdency as a child is to give your parent the benefit of doubt
Not to mention Korea has deeply ingrained “family duty” mentality in their culture. It wouldn’t be surprising if she gaslit him into thinking if he didn’t listen to her, *he* would be the person responsible for her getting in trouble. In fact, it’s actually happened where the family will be shamed for their member’s misdeeds.
it was a very odd situation. what he saw wasn’t normal at all, naturally, a normal person would be scared, confused, panicked, his brain was literally in shock… also, to cope up with that memory for so many years!! crazy.
Just wanted to tell you the reason why I even saw this video was that this was the second result of the search “kimchi recipe” UA-cam decided to be absolutely FOUL today LMAO
I agree as a child I lived in a abandoned building with a dozen of runaway teens who’s parents didn’t even report us missing I was there because of an incident I don’t wanna get into on here but what I’m saying I know what it’s like to live on little food and horrible conditions and when the police rescued us they only gave us all new homes and didn’t even look into our parents or how we got there but anyway I hope the kid is doing well now ❤
They didn’t charge her with child neglect because of her extreme mental illness state but mostly because there was bigger fish to fry for the prosecutors at this point with two adult victims killed and stuffed in buckets I think the prosecutors picked their battle there because her main intention wasn’t to harm her son it was to kill those poor men, so they focused on that so the defence doesn’t get the chance to speak of how much she loved her son and extort empathy. That’s my conclusion either way. she should have fought her demons for her child and got her self help or at least tried, however it has to be said that she wasn’t self aware nor possessed any healthy critical thinking skills so we can’t compare her actions to those without illnesses, she needed serious help early on and no one did anything to help her and so Lee’s deterioration wasn’t only her responsibility as a mentally unstable individual someone should have done something they waited until the smell was too strong to ignore that’s literally the worst case scenario for someone like Lee it’s even worse that they knew a child was actively living in that house. That’s what neighbour’s are supposed to be, her neighbour’s completely failed her and her poor son. He developed all types of toxic attributes because of her including “toxic empathy” .. she was clearly incapable of making sound mind decisions due to her severe OCD and psychopathic tendencies. It’s a miracle this boy was even saved!
@@TheMaskedChef7I agree, there is the saying for a reason. Being a bystander while smth bad happens and not doing anything to help makes you also guilty because you let it happen.
@@formaldehyde_sk1llz fr and the smell and how dirty the apartment was that could actually be so bad for health. I just feel like Korean people in charge of all the Korean crimes lacks sympathy and doesn't have the human instinct of seeing the crimes from the victims perspective. I have watch so many documents and 9.9 out of 10 did not serve Justice. The Korean school bullies cases were so extremely inhumane and they didn't even get life sentence. Im so mad that they think criminal's future is more important than the victims. They protect their identity and let them out in the world like They're just endangering the other citizens. You don't know your neighbor, coworker, friend , nurse or even doctors could be a murderer. That's so scary.
Those poor kids.. from being forced to help your mom shove your dads body in a bucket, to being shut in whats basically a gas chamber all your life. I hope wherever Chiho is, he's safe, happy, loved and is eating his heart out. To his older brother, I hope he knows that it wasn't his fault for what his mom did and it doesn't reflect him, just her.
Yeah. I can’t imagine how guilty he feels. And even tho this case is horrible in every aspect including the sentencing time, I am just glad he wasn’t charged because some psycho happened to be his mom and he was dragged into this. He deserves peace and I’m glad he got away from her.
Nah, this kid in will probably be freak for the rest of his life. This amount of trauma and neglect will be with him for the rest of his life. This was crucial years of his development, physically and mentally. There thing that cannot be forgotten or fixed.
@@aanimavilis1492 unfortunately you're right things like that will stay and keep influencing ones life for ever. I just think it's a bad thing to call him a freak. he still can be somewhat happy and functioning human with a lot of determination and help but he's traumatized for life, you can't erase that and knowing that, i feel so sorry for him and anyone in similar situation. I hope so much he met kind and loving people and is living a better happier life, dealing with this is hard. I wish him the best
I hope her last boyfriend is able to move on and cope well from this. He probably connected the dots after the first police visit and thought that if she knew he knew her secret, he would be the next victim. So glad the police came back so soon, he was probably living in fear
Another reason Chiho’s eyes could be bluish white is iron deficiency, most likely from how little protein or meat he was able to eat while by himself, being unable to cook.
@@JohnWayne-86edi tried kimchi for the first time a while back and it’s so good. The one I had was very garlicy and i’m peruvian so i love garlic. So tasty.
Gonna be real, she was probably good in bed. Not to be gross, but it's just a theory. She wasn't a looked, didn't have money, smelled like a dead body, was older, and otherwise completely unremarkable. Maybe she was good with words? But her interviews didn't seem as such.
proof that some dudes truly don't care about literally anything as long as they're getting some on the regular from that woman. like some women seem perfectly willing to stay with an abuser that has deep generous pockets
18 years for 2 murders plus severe child neglect ? should be life , that poor little boy wish we knew more about how she treated him & how he is now ? also neighbours, if you hear a distressed child dont wait call police immediately
"On Dec. 11, 2008, Cho kidnapped an eight-year-old girl - who the media later gave the pseudonym of Na-young - on her way to school in Ansan, Gyeonggi. Na-young underwent eight hours of surgery due to Cho’s violence but the rape and torture left around 80 percent of her lower organs completely dysfunctional.
Cho was given 12 years in prison and mandated that he wear an electronic anklet for an additional seven years - a sentence that took into account the defense’s argument that Cho was under the influence of alcohol when he committed the crime." This is how fucked Korea's legal system is.
My son is 9 year old. The thought of a child even younger being stuck in that awful place all by himself, crying as loud as he could surrounded by filth and horrible stench makes me tear up... He just wanted his mom but unfortunately she never deserved him to begin with...
Help?? Call the police? BRUUHHHHH... Even the adults/neighbors around him don't have the courage to help, how can I, as a teenager, who knew nothing about this world, help him? I felt so wrong. I feel so bad. How can someone be so crueled, imprisoning a child like that? JUST HOW CAN YOU, YOU LITTLE- F. If infact, one of those MF is reading this, I just wants to say ONE thing. GO. TO. HELL.
I feel so bad for the child, especially since we’re the same age. At 17 your childhood is still very easily recalled and it makes up most of who you are. I can’t imagine going through that all alone. I really hope that he has been able to or is working through the trauma well. Wherever he is now, I hope he’s healthy and doing well surrounded by caring people.
it seems wrong that the court only seemed to really focus on the murders and not the fact that she abused her son and left him alone days on end it seems in a gross apartment with no food and two dead bodies. not that the murder isn't important but its weird that they almost skipped over that part. i hope that the son can live a normal life away from her.
you are totally valid. i have never been frustrated than this before, the case has so much more to dig in, and this is more that just a two man who had been murdered. we have the brother who witnessed 2 people dying. at 17 the brother is at his right age to know exactly what is right and wrong or even just the basic humanity. now, 27y.o? that grown man must have psychophatic tendencies and could potentially develop some mental disorder at this point. isn't that alarming? how he live his life like nothing happen? now we also have the younger brother that has been emotionally and physically abandoned at the very young age and had suffer for all those years. i am not saying that what his brother had experience is invalid but how could an 8 year old boy possibly know how to cope from the situation he had been, or to know what the hell is right or wrong when there is a possibility that he also witnessed the crime of his mom. i couldn't imagine how an 8 year old boy that hasn't been nurture in every aspect to live his life after everything he had gone through. they could have also investigated what the mom has did to that child for all those years bc there is nothing good will happen in the child's life if he will not be nurture in every aspect of the people who are going to help him and by helping a child is know everything he had been through.
Ignoring child abuse should never be this normalised and called ‘culture’, I love Korea but this is just sad how nobody did anything until the child kept screaming and crying, only to get rid of that annoying voice not to really help him. Sad. I’m from Middle East and many people sadly have the same attitude of ‘not my life, I wouldn’t middle in’ like no, you should middle in.
Much as I don’t like these dramatized YT narrations of terrible events, she does a wonderful job of telling these stories. I’ve watched a couple of her videos now and she’s pretty great. 👌
Ok, but nobody’s talking about how she PRACTICED saying “I’m sorry” while in police custody, as if she was practicing in the mirror before a school play. This is worse than a horror movie, that woman is what nightmares are made of omg 😶 disturbing does not even feel like an adequate description for the way she nonchalantly practiced mimicking human behavior while being interrogated. Real life is scarier than fiction. :( thank you Stephanie so much
I have adhd and can’t sit through a whole video without watching a different one but as soon as I found rotten mangos account, I was hooked! She tells these true crime cases so well and the emotion is on point! I can actually sit down and watch this whole thing!
I'm not diagnosed, but suspect that I have ADHD and I enjoy listening to RM and other storytellers on UA-cam while I work or clean my house. The stories are really engaging and well told and often heartbreaking especially when kids are involved 😢
Just her explaining the smell of a human corpse and the insides of the kimchi made me want to cry, I don’t understand how the child survived with that smell and bugs in there. The entire situation is absolutely terrible and honestly scary to think that this just went by for years.
For heinous crime like this, and the fact the she kept the body as a trophy or whatever with her for 10years, didn't dump it somewhere to be discovered, didn't bury it etc...she kept it with her....how can high court give her less than what the prosecution is asking? How can they even look the the victim's families and be like....24 years? no maybe 18 years should be enough. And the fact that she will still live to see the light of day when she gets released is sooo mind blowing while her victims di3d and for sure even in death they struggle to be at peace knowing their bodies are like that...bruh, SK laws needs some reviewing....
@@nikkimclay5474That is true, but the minds of mentally ill people don’t make logical sense, so what Swudz said could also be true given the situation
@@spigney4623 Since SK is full of CCTV, she would have difficulties to dispose of the bodies, so it's easier to hide them, just like that Kpop killer.
You don't realize how much I love this channel. It's litteraly making my days this year. Either this channel or the podcast. I can't get this satisfaction from any other channel. It's litteraly healing me 😭
And that is now with laws and regulations. Imagine before. I gotta say, our genes probably don't have much room and we are getting closer to the generation where we will be relatives. We see how genes deteriorate and mutate to create defect as the similar and/or same genes mix up.
@@picachugirl2036 I think they're answering to another short. I have that Problem too sometimes that my comment/reply doesn't load to the short I wanted to.😅
You are such an amazing story teller, you paint a picture and give details, speaking so clearly and with character. You have a real talent, its almost a lost art, story telling. So glad I found your channel!!!
I totally agree! She would be perfect to voice Disney characters or to voice movies like in the style of Nanny McPhee! She is such an awesome narrator that I become glued to her videos!!
As I was listening to this case, I keep hugging and kissing my son. I just cannot imagine the hell that poor baby went through. I cannot imagine putting my son through something like that. My heart is breaking. I just hope he is safe and well now.
I'm on 9 minutes into the video but the mention of the kid being left home reminds me of my 3 cousins. Their mom would leave them for weeks at a time while she was off doing drugs or with men or both. Their grandparents, my great aunt and uncle, would get a call from random neighbors or just people who lived near them (we grew up in a small town and they lived in the middle of the country in whatever house their mom shared with whatever man she was with at the time) and they'd say "We haven't seen their mom in a few days or whatever, so you might want to come get them." and the grandparents would go get them and bathe and feed them until she came back. Once she was gone for EIGHT MONTHS and apparently the kids never asked where their mother was. My family ALWAYS talked shit about their mother and how awful she was but NO ONE ever said anything about their dad who was paying child support and KNEW how his kids was being treated but never ONCE wanted custody of them. Years later, when the youngest two were in middle and high school, their mom lost custody of them. Their dad still didn't want them and his mom (the grandparent that was coming to get them every time) was the one who got custody of them. As I got older I always wondered why it was "okay" to talk crap about their mom but not their dad. Obviously the answer is, the dad was family but that's a shitty reason. If anything I blame him more because he was raised well. The mother wasn't. Her own mom was gone a lot and "liked men", shall we say. Their mom's oldest sister was pregnant for the first time at 12 and the father was 19 or so. When their mother found out, her response was "You better marry him! I don't allow WHORES in my house". The mom was living with a grown man (like 25 or 30) when she was 15 years old. In contrast the father of my cousins grew up in a 2 parent household with a younger brother. Both parents worked and were pretty normal. Anyway, I always thought it was pretty messed up that she was bad for what she did but not him. Thank you for reading my rant. xD
Well she was horrible and awful for just abandoning her kids like that, I'm surprised CYFD didn't take them but yeah the father should have done way more too.
I don't watch any podcasts at all. Except yours. You are the most talented, eloquent, smooth-speaking, attention-grabbing narrator I've ever come across!
@@christinepettett9138I too don't watch podcasts, I think i first started watching her baking a mystery and then this since her podcast isn't available in my country
@@christinepettett9138 I'm the same with OP. never was a fan of podcasts but idk why, I was suddenly so bored out of my mind that I was checking my podcast app. one of her episodes were on top, I checked it out and the rest was history. now I obsess with her contents so much. she's a very very talented narrator and just a delightful human being together with her family :)
About why she didn't get rid of the body: my bet is because it's nearly impossible to do that in Korea. Trash bins are checked before taking away and the amount of cameras outside is insane
Its really smart they check the bins before taking them away. I swear, america should start doing that. Imagine the TONS of people and stolen items they'd be able to recover faster
Pls cover the current case that is happening in the Philippines as of now… it’s about the girl had an affair with a pastor that killed her fiancé, it is currently trending as we speak. Thank u! And I love how the way u present the stories ! ❤
My boyfriend has the Korean mind your business mentality and he is white as snow, as for me, I’m Korean American and I’m always panicked when I hear children or women crying/screaming. It’s shocking how living situations can change how certain people should be programmed to think.
Same, I truly don't get Korean people mindset like someone, a kid is screaming crying for DAYss and NOT call somebody or something, that's crazy to me.
Child neglect, child abuse, child abandonment, two murders, and she forced her son to help dispose of his own fathers body yet she only has to serve 18 years. She deserves to stay in there for life, she ruined the life’s of so many and felt no remorse
She should’ve gotten life. She should’ve been charged with 2 murders , child neglect/ abuse, and there has to be a charge for her impersonating her dead husband, not reporting his death, and also mistreating his dead body. She also showed no remorse especially for the second dude and even purposely said he was a foreigner cus she knew it would be punished less time.
Age clearly doesn't matter. In the Philippines, there's an old woman around 70 years old who had murdered her house helper. I hope you can cover this case because it's facinating how a senior elderly woman was able to kill her helper and dump the body on her own
Even in my neighbourhood a last V threw acid on my other neighbors who they were super close with all because she was jealous of the new Jewllery she had. The woman is 73 as well. My god this is terrible on so many counts. I hope Ji ho would forget all of this pain and grow away from this trauma.
edit: I COMMENTED THIS BEFORE WATCHING THE VIDEO. I love how stephanie does crime videos based in Asia. As an african person this helps a lot bc some things i never knew before abt asian cultures, i feel so educated on them now!
I like when true crime UA-camrs actually describe the whole crime and how the killing actually happened, even if it’s gruesome. It’s easier to imagine what happened and feel more sorry for the victims tbh idk how to explain💀
I remember the time I made a report to CPS. The fighting was just annoying at first. A teenager dealing with mental illness and a mom struggling to keep things together. But there was a man involved and all kinds of stuff I don't care to get into, so I decided I should probably at least make a report. I was checking to see if I could do it online (since it was the middle of the night) and the website was so poorly optimized. I remember thinking I was just going to give up because it was too much of a hassle, and right afterward I was so disgusted with myself. I was going to put my convenience over the possible safety of a child? I made the report and they were checked on. Don't know if anything came of it, but at least I can sleep at night knowing I did the only thing any half decent human being would do.
this actually made my head pound and i had to pause halfway through because of the psychological toll hearing this brought me thank you for shedding light to this situation
She really doesn't know how much she's helping me I have a crochet business It is really hard for me to focus on orders and watching her videos and crocheting really help
the intro is a lot like the intro of the glory if you've ever seen that show. she even does a break down of it so Im pretty positive it was inspired by that
I recently came across Rotten Mango and she creates some of the most captivating murder mystery podcasts out there. Her attention to detail and research skills are truly impressive, and she presents each case in a way that keeps you on the edge of your seat. I have spent hours listening to her podcasts, and I am always left with a newfound appreciation for the complexities of criminal investigations. Rotten Mango's passion for true crime is contagious, and I highly recommend her podcasts to anyone who enjoys a good mystery. you make the best vids ever
I'm confused as to how the heck she even got 2 grown men into a 4 ft bucket together, and be able to close the lid. This case is absolutely terrifying 😢
You’re the only true crime channel I watch. You really care about the stories you tell. You have so much empathy and want to memorialize the victims in a meaningful way ❤
This is one of the most bizarre cases I have ever heard of. I feel so freaking sorry for the little kid, imagine the neighbors that lived above and bellow the apartment can't take the smell, but the kid LIVED in that apartment. She should have been sentenced for life for what she did to the kid. She is not someone to be let out to live among the people, she belongs in jail until the day she dies or she will murder again in cold blood.
The neighbours are really weird too. You hear a child crying everyday from an apartment that smells like hell and you only call help when the child's crying becomes too unbearable for YOU that you cannot cover with tv noise.
She's a victim but not of the patriarchy..she's a victim in the sense that mental health in Korea is frowned upon. Because it's a vulnerable thing and makes you appear weak..
@@FukaiKokoro she isn't a victim of anything besides of her own consequences to her actions. You can't justify and shield potential murder with mental illness we aren't in the 60s
I’ve been stuck listening to your stories/podcast for the past two days. Your videos are so easy to listen to and informative. It’s calming for some reason.
I just found your channel and I must say I love the enthusiasm you show while telling the stories. And it is sooo "refreshing" with crimes I have never heard of. Thanks!
I’m so glad I found this channel !! I love true crime and this is the first channel I’ve come across that covers stories from other countries, every video is a story I’ve never heard of and it’s so great !! These stories matter and I’m so glad that someone is covering them and doing such a great job. Every video is done so well and with so much information- there has not been a single one that has been boring. I always listen to these while I clean my room and aquarium and whenever I hang out with my boyfriend I have to tell him all about the most recent video you posted. Thank you !!
LMAO YOOOO ME TOOOO she's topped all the true crime content I've ever seen. I'm also so glad to see her channel growing, she deserves so much recognition!
Omg that poor baby. I cannot imagine living in that environment with some this unstable 😢 I hope he’s doing ok and gets the best of the best. As terrible as her crimes were, the mom is clearly unwell in so many ways, I hope she gets the mental help she needs while in jail.
This all sounds like it could be a movie. Like, one of her son's was crushed by sand?! I was in shock when I heard that. The other witnessed it and a few years later, helped cover up the death of his father! I was speechless. While I still think he should have told the police, he probably lives the guilt. And finally, the youngest was living with bugs, mice and two dead bodies. My heart aches for him and I hope he can have some what of a normal life now. What a vile woman. Even the picture of her sends chills down my spine.
Its really unsettling how in a building of apartment you dont really know what goes on next door. It gives me so much anxiety getting into a building and walking thru doors 😭. Thankfully i live in a small town where houses are apart from each other.
I’ve never heard a true crime channel tell the stories in such detail! Your style is very unique. It almost seems like you have these stories totally memorized
Stephanie is a great story teller, there were a few that I followed for different cases summary too. But I enjoyed her very much, as if a good friend is sharing a story and I listen! Well done Stephanie & Steph's hubby! Congrats on your wedding recently.
Hoarding disorder is usually tied to severe depression, OCD and psychotic disorders including schizophrenia. In Lee’s case HD plays a huge part in Lee’s horrible decision making. The fact she chose to hoard her late husband’s body who ‘allegedly’ died of natural causes in the house instead of bury him for 10+ years while her son knew about it and accepted it, is solid evidence to the deterioration of her mental disorders and how that deeply affected her son’s brain functions and development of his Non toxic empathy skills and instead created deeply rooted trauma and “Toxic empathy” which is known to occur when a person tends to over empathise with others, which can lead to feelings of stress, anxiety, continues distrustful behaviour and exhaustion, signs of toxic empathy include feeling drained after social interactions, having difficulty setting boundaries, and feeling others pain as our own which were all struggles that Lee’s Son faced because of her inability to acquire mental health assistance instead of giving in to all her darkest fears and destructive thoughts. I personally don’t know if her husband died of natural causes or not because she seemed to have exchanged blame with him over the death of their 2nd son in 1995 so who knows maybe she drove him to suicide, poisoned him or maybe it’s like the son said natural causes and she just couldn’t bare part from his body due to her severe case of hoarding disorder which is could very likely be the scenario here. Either way this is quite a sad case and i wish Lee gotten help before it’s too late, the son barely survived his mother and now left with trauma for life i wish him and all the victims families peace and hope this serves as a lesson to engage critical thinking and self reflection as well as seek mental health support from family and friends and even neighbours if you’re unable to provide medical help for yourself there are many mental health services available in our current day and age, they exist to provide assistance when needs be so allow them to help most importantly please never ignore your mental health state as it’s the foundation of all our thoughts, actions and physical health - on a more personal note, i myself suffered a mild case of hoarding in 2011 i remember it very clearly i was going through a depressive state of mind for 2 weeks during a yearly memorial of my best friend’s passing m, it was and still very challenging each year but this particular time it hit me harder due to other factors back then all of which i recognised as a very serious symptoms of depression and since then i tried to become very conscious of my intrusive thinking and even started digging at the root causes and that lead me to self exploring which lead to full on studying neurobiology “female brain activity” which i was awarded a master’s degree for by HMX this year .. this was the 3rd academic degree for me as my first and 2nd were in business management, innovational strategy and leadership. I mainly decided to study neurobiology to understand how my brain operates on a deeper level as it’s the most powerful tool in the human arsenal a side from the other perceived understanding that “shame” is considered by most to be the most effective tool, and even though it wasn’t for academia at first for me it definitely didn’t hurt to obtain qualifications along the way and even now as a private chef de cuisine, recipe developer and food & beverage service owner but most importantly i would say it probably saved me from long term suffering trying to understand why i feel, act and think the way i do and process it all with accurate understanding and if i may i add, if you happen to be reading this and wondering .. you don’t need a degree whatsoever to know more about your own brain chemistry and the difference between male and female brain activity to do that you just need to read more about the subject, not only does regular reading help make you smarter, but it can also actually increase your brainpower. Just like going for a jog exercises our cardiovascular system, reading regularly improves memory function by giving our brain a good workout, allow yourself to get curious and think of research as a way of life, believe in your abilities to self control and develop healthy critical thinking paradigms to help you develop healthier skills and gradually the dark intrusive thoughts will work themselves out as the increase of knowledge levels provides a grasp over our own neurological maps
You helped be to understand what I went through in the late 90s.. Call me weird but I've always enjoyed cleaning and found it relaxing but after a series of negative intense events plus having flashbacks from early childhoods that I didn't know existed until i had them I became incapable of cleaning to the point of immobility at one point. Through perseverance, hardwood, antidepressants, and God I finally made it out of that darkness. Today I have peace of mind and I am content with who I am and what I have and have not.
i've been having metaphysical contamination ocd for the past decade and mine's due to higher reuptake of the neurotransmitter serotonin i personally don't think it's psychotic though it's debilitating
@@alisongeorge3089yeah, right? Like, one time my WiFi wasn't working correctly, and UA-cam was a little messed up, most videos i would click on wouldn't play. I ended up just bingeing rotten mango videos since most of those worked. It was great.
That blue tint can be caused by a thinning Sclera, which allows the tissue beneath, called the choroid, to peek through. This is cause extreme anemia. Long periods of starvation can cause extremely low iron. It's this that would cause this blue tint in the white if the eye she was talking about. Other causes, but probably not why the the child's eyes were blueish tint: Steroids Ehlers Danlos Syndome Brittle bone disease Incontenentia pigmenti Marfan syndrom My opinion it was starvation that thined the whites of the eyes and brings thru the color underneath
Stephanie! I have a possible explanation for the blue eye detail. The part behind the white in your eyes is a dark blue, but usually you can't see it because the white skin is thick enough. I have a condition called Ehlers-Danlos syndrome and that causes my eyes to be a slightly blue tint. It does seem as though his is most likely genetic but could also be much more vibrant just due to his lack of nutrients!
There's a fairly common saying, "Not all sociopaths are psychopaths. But every psychopath is a sociopath." That's just kind of what this story reminded me of.
I was listening to multiple episodes of yours while crafting to keep me entertained, half absorbing the story, when you got to the end and said that the boy would be 17, turning 18 this year. I turned 18 this year. This could have been a classmate or a cousin of mine if it happened in the US. Scariest part of the story by far.
My friend from college was Korean, and his parents owned a restaurant / Bodega in Queens. His mom made the best Kimchi I had ever had, and was so tickled that I liked it so much that every time he went home, she made sure to send some with him for me. I think he cursed me in his head every time he had to ride the subway with it. 😁
Stephanie you have become my favorite true crime podcaster! I love not only the cases you cover but how you deliver these stories. I am hooked and have done nothing but binge watch you!! Thank you for all the research that goes in to each and every one of these cases. You are phenomenal!!
This is certain to be a Horrific story. Thank you for covering these stories that few others dare to even talk about... (or never go into detail) Your research is always next level. Edit: why didn't they strain the contents? It seems off to have them risk infection touching it.
You have become my favorite true crime place to be, thank you for doing these every few days. I can’t imagine how much this would ask of you, doing all this research and work. Thank you ❤️
the fact that adult police officers felt sick and teary eyed while they had to go through that apartment unit and to imagine a literal child trapped in there for years. so heartbreaking.
He was probably noseblind to it, but that’s very little consolation.
English please
@jakea511 ...🤔 every comment in this thread is in english. Pull out a dictionary if you need it.
@@desert_hollyI think he might be being rascist BUT idk don't take my word for it don't be rude to them
@____Starz____ you can't possible be racist to someone who speaks English LMFAOO. it's just an ignorant comment
It’s crazy that their bodies were in the apartment for all those years and nobody knew. That poor boy, it’s heartbreaking to know what he went through and how he had to live.
I know right, it’s so sad
Sometimes I feel South Korea as a whole is a very depressed society. The fact that they don't care about a crying child in a god awful smelly house until it starts becoming too much to ignore. The fact that two whole people with families disappear and nobody reports them missing and try to find them. The woman is literally insane and nobody in her family or coworkers notice and try to get her help. It makes me really sad.
This horrible story beats the most western murder stories that I’ve heard Omgggggg 😱
@@Canyouseemeanna Oh girl, you're too neive to think its just a Korean thing. Trust me, I live in California, and our family fights are insane, police comes at least once a week, and my dad and mom, and sometimes brother is constantly yelling and swearing at each other. They've (prideminetly my brother) broken cars, windows, and house wooden walls. Do you think a neighbor comes checking if I am okay? No. the neighbors ignore me, and their children are scared to acknowledge me. Which is understandable, what are they gonna do? call the police? Like I told you before, police comes every single week, multiple times a week, usually my brother or mom is the one to call them. But when the police comes, obviously they are going to stop screaming, and act calm, my mom usually blocks us from saying something and goes forward to say it was just a family fight and its all solved now, and that shes sorry for wasting their time. They always say if this happens one more time, they have to arrest and ask questions in the department but that never happens. They know my faces, and I know their names but they don't do anything.
@@AlphaCub 35:39 35:39
Getting only 24 years is insane, but going down for just 18 is a crime in itself. Wtf SK…
24 years would have been somewhat fair because I don't think anyone can prove she had killed her husband. Perhaps stealing his identity (his cellphone SIM). She should have also been charged with child neglect and child abuse.
There are a lot of European countries where 15 years is a life sentence.
There are a lot of countries whose sentences are even shorter
@@goodbher9244 you can apply for parole,but you aren’t automatically released after 15 years.
@@goodbher9244some actually gave 10 years as live sentence .. a pedo got released recently after just 8 years (kept his daughter in the basement for 20 years and forced her to inbreed)
I'm a mom myself and my heart is hurting for the little boy... Just imagining this scared little boy in this filthy apartment makes me cry. I hope he is now well treated and protected... Every child deserves parents, but not every parent deserves a child.
Totally agree. I have 3 boys of my ow , and hearing this breaks anyone's heart
i dont think you have to be a mother for this to break your heart 😢
Agreed, that part was so hard to listen to.
he might grow up into a criminal because of his past
@@flouttieor he couldve grown up to be a therapist or psychologist of some sorts that helps children through these types of situations , who knows
The fact that this all happened around kids is just sad. Not only did she ruin her oldest child’s mind but her youngest… Korea should look over this case again..
yes, no charges for severe child neglect infuriates me , I thought Koreans treasured their kids ?
@@nikkimclay5474 only when it benefits them and their values
@@desertmoonlee6631As A Filipino I'm kinda proud for our laws regarding child abuse and abandonment you can be jailed for 12-20 years.
Korea has one of the worst legal system. For context here is an even worse instance of this:
"On Dec. 11, 2008, Cho kidnapped an eight-year-old girl - who the media later gave the pseudonym of Na-young - on her way to school in Ansan, Gyeonggi. Na-young underwent eight hours of surgery due to Cho’s violence but the rape and torture left around 80 percent of her lower organs completely dysfunctional.
Cho was given 12 years in prison and mandated that he wear an electronic anklet for an additional seven years - a sentence that took into account the defense’s argument that Cho was under the influence of alcohol when he committed the crime."
They treasure criminal's privacy and men more. Luckily it is changing, but it is so fucked up.@@nikkimclay5474
that little boy is about 18 now, i truly hope he is healing and okay.
Same. He didn't deserve that :(
Is he on social media rn?
He's 18 an adult so retype it and put young man but then again if he's 18 he just became an adult so idk 🤷♀️
@@PupfromSaturn they are saying the little boy from the story is now 18
@@PupfromSaturn that was 6 months ago and they were talking about the boy in the story, why would they need to retype it? “Oh that young man is almost 18 now”
Even though everything with this case is absolutely wild, the most shocking thing for me was how long she was sentenced. Double homicide, child abuse, and child abandonment?? 18 YEARS?!? THATS IT???
Ikr??? Like what in the hell?
This case reminds me of the case in the US, where parents killed one child and left 2-3 children living with its corpse for several years. I don't remember the sentence, but I'm pretty damn sure it was much longer than 18 years...
@@essandera9499It should have been a dらath sentence
I already gave up on humanity but they're making it go down to the negatives
In Germany she would have gotten less years
The justice system in east Asian countries usually is very bad. I think Japan has it the worst.
I'm a medical student and blue "eyes" actually called "blue sclera" is a sign of iron deficiency in severely malnourished patients.
What, so its literally a "blue" selcra?and NOT that unusual??
uhm i never said its common...please read.@@ayeshasiddika7137
@@ayeshasiddika7137Yep, when I was anemic my boyfriend commented all the time that the whites of my eyes were "blue-tinted". Like a very light blue.
@@ayeshasiddika7137it's not uncommon in iron deficiency and connective tissue disorders, but in a completely healthy person, it's odd. for most people, it's pretty faint, so it's not noticed. but his must have been pretty vibrant.
Was looking for this comment, surprised they weren't able to find out about that! There's a few conditions that can also lead to this, but I'd assume in this case it was probably iron deficiency.
"If you're eating, this might not be the episode for you- " *mid-bite rethinking my life choices*
😂😂😂
Me eating a cold chewy cookie: realizes why as she discusses the liquid in the bucket
Literally me I skip this episode a while ago cause I feel like I'm gonna throw up while eating lol
I made this mistake yesterday with another case and wound up throwing up 😅
Lol 😂
I can understand that a son would help his mom hide his dad's body. We don't know what this woman was like or what it was like to be her child. Seventeen years is a long time to be under someone's influence.
Honestly this is 100%
Same. When i was 15 my dad had shot my mom in an argument (luckily she survived with little permanent damage) ..but even before i knew that and as my dad was getting arrested i said "i forgive you its ok" ...abuse and brainwashing aside thats your PARENT. Esp when you didnt witness everything exactly that led up to it. The temdency as a child is to give your parent the benefit of doubt
Absolutely!
Not to mention Korea has deeply ingrained “family duty” mentality in their culture. It wouldn’t be surprising if she gaslit him into thinking if he didn’t listen to her, *he* would be the person responsible for her getting in trouble. In fact, it’s actually happened where the family will be shamed for their member’s misdeeds.
it was a very odd situation. what he saw wasn’t normal at all, naturally, a normal person would be scared, confused, panicked, his brain was literally in shock… also, to cope up with that memory for so many years!! crazy.
It’s terrifying to know that there are such sadistic people in this world
Thank you Stephanie for covering these international cases
Indeed anywhere on earth 🌎
fr
and it's even more terrifying to know that the system just lets these kinds of people go.
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Just wanted to tell you the reason why I even saw this video was that this was the second result of the search “kimchi recipe” UA-cam decided to be absolutely FOUL today LMAO
😂😂😂😂 omg
That’s so mean of them fr😂😂
Oml 💀😭
It's her special recipe .. yum ...yum 🤮
That’s actually fuckin crazy 😮
Why wasn't she also charged and tried for child neglect, abandonment and child abuse???
Ikr leaving a child living alone in those conditions is criminal
I agree as a child I lived in a abandoned building with a dozen of runaway teens who’s parents didn’t even report us missing I was there because of an incident I don’t wanna get into on here but what I’m saying I know what it’s like to live on little food and horrible conditions and when the police rescued us they only gave us all new homes and didn’t even look into our parents or how we got there but anyway I hope the kid is doing well now ❤
They didn’t charge her with child neglect because of her extreme mental illness state but mostly because there was bigger fish to fry for the prosecutors at this point with two adult victims killed and stuffed in buckets I think the prosecutors picked their battle there because her main intention wasn’t to harm her son it was to kill those poor men, so they focused on that so the defence doesn’t get the chance to speak of how much she loved her son and extort empathy. That’s my conclusion either way. she should have fought her demons for her child and got her self help or at least tried, however it has to be said that she wasn’t self aware nor possessed any healthy critical thinking skills so we can’t compare her actions to those without illnesses, she needed serious help early on and no one did anything to help her and so Lee’s deterioration wasn’t only her responsibility as a mentally unstable individual someone should have done something they waited until the smell was too strong to ignore that’s literally the worst case scenario for someone like Lee it’s even worse that they knew a child was actively living in that house. That’s what neighbour’s are supposed to be, her neighbour’s completely failed her and her poor son. He developed all types of toxic attributes because of her including “toxic empathy” .. she was clearly incapable of making sound mind decisions due to her severe OCD and psychopathic tendencies. It’s a miracle this boy was even saved!
@@TheMaskedChef7I agree, there is the saying for a reason. Being a bystander while smth bad happens and not doing anything to help makes you also guilty because you let it happen.
@@formaldehyde_sk1llz fr and the smell and how dirty the apartment was that could actually be so bad for health. I just feel like Korean people in charge of all the Korean crimes lacks sympathy and doesn't have the human instinct of seeing the crimes from the victims perspective. I have watch so many documents and 9.9 out of 10 did not serve Justice. The Korean school bullies cases were so extremely inhumane and they didn't even get life sentence. Im so mad that they think criminal's future is more important than the victims. They protect their identity and let them out in the world like They're just endangering the other citizens. You don't know your neighbor, coworker, friend , nurse or even doctors could be a murderer. That's so scary.
Those poor kids.. from being forced to help your mom shove your dads body in a bucket, to being shut in whats basically a gas chamber all your life. I hope wherever Chiho is, he's safe, happy, loved and is eating his heart out. To his older brother, I hope he knows that it wasn't his fault for what his mom did and it doesn't reflect him, just her.
Yeah. I can’t imagine how guilty he feels. And even tho this case is horrible in every aspect including the sentencing time, I am just glad he wasn’t charged because some psycho happened to be his mom and he was dragged into this. He deserves peace and I’m glad he got away from her.
I completely agree with both comments.
I hope both of them are able to get some sort of peace and support for their traumas.
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Nah, this kid in will probably be freak for the rest of his life. This amount of trauma and neglect will be with him for the rest of his life.
This was crucial years of his development, physically and mentally.
There thing that cannot be forgotten or fixed.
@@aanimavilis1492 unfortunately you're right things like that will stay and keep influencing ones life for ever. I just think it's a bad thing to call him a freak. he still can be somewhat happy and functioning human with a lot of determination and help
but he's traumatized for life, you can't erase that
and knowing that, i feel so sorry for him and anyone in similar situation. I hope so much he met kind and loving people and is living a better happier life, dealing with this is hard. I wish him the best
I hope her last boyfriend is able to move on and cope well from this. He probably connected the dots after the first police visit and thought that if she knew he knew her secret, he would be the next victim. So glad the police came back so soon, he was probably living in fear
Another reason Chiho’s eyes could be bluish white is iron deficiency, most likely from how little protein or meat he was able to eat while by himself, being unable to cook.
It sounds like blue schlera
@@shelzblack488thats what I was thinking. poor child
Blue sclera 2/2 iron deficiency anemia was my first thought too. So sad.
@@rachaelm.7802 I know, poor baby, I’m sure that was the least of the sweet boy’s physical issues being stuck in that house..
@@shelzblack488 blue sclera is always caused by something else you don’t jus r have it
the way she lit up when describing kimchi in the beginning made me forget that this video was about a heinous crime for a second
If she didn't I'd question her Korean-ness lol. But yeah, me too, I'm hoping this doesn't ruin kimchi for me😯
@@JohnWayne-86edi tried kimchi for the first time a while back and it’s so good. The one I had was very garlicy and i’m peruvian so i love garlic. So tasty.
I LOVE KIMCHI 😫@@nitebreak
Wait.. this woman and her apartment smelled of death and was full of rotten trash, yet she had how many men in and out??? What!?!?
Gonna be real, she was probably good in bed. Not to be gross, but it's just a theory. She wasn't a looked, didn't have money, smelled like a dead body, was older, and otherwise completely unremarkable. Maybe she was good with words? But her interviews didn't seem as such.
THAT'S WHAT I WAS GONNA SAY!
The kitty makes us men do many things lmao.
I'm sorry. That was a joke. A bad one I admit.
proof that some dudes truly don't care about literally anything as long as they're getting some on the regular from that woman. like some women seem perfectly willing to stay with an abuser that has deep generous pockets
@@LMCorvinus women would stay with an abuser even if he's broke because women are socialized that way in the patriarchy
18 years for 2 murders plus severe child neglect ? should be life , that poor little boy wish we knew more about how she treated him & how he is now ? also neighbours, if you hear a distressed child dont wait call police immediately
it really should be death but ig life works too
@@MayaMarie12 no death sentence is the easy way out. Jail for life is better and she'll suffer more
Life in the US is 15 - 30 years. So technically speaking / legally speaking that is "life".
The maximum setance in many countries is 20 years so that most likely is the maximum sentance.
"On Dec. 11, 2008, Cho kidnapped an eight-year-old girl - who the media later gave the pseudonym of Na-young - on her way to school in Ansan, Gyeonggi. Na-young underwent eight hours of surgery due to Cho’s violence but the rape and torture left around 80 percent of her lower organs completely dysfunctional.
Cho was given 12 years in prison and mandated that he wear an electronic anklet for an additional seven years - a sentence that took into account the defense’s argument that Cho was under the influence of alcohol when he committed the crime."
This is how fucked Korea's legal system is.
My son is 9 year old. The thought of a child even younger being stuck in that awful place all by himself, crying as loud as he could surrounded by filth and horrible stench makes me tear up... He just wanted his mom but unfortunately she never deserved him to begin with...
And the neighbours did nothing
@@dodgyyoutuber9560
Huh, haven't you watched the whole video? The neighbour tried to do something.
Help?? Call the police? BRUUHHHHH... Even the adults/neighbors around him don't have the courage to help, how can I, as a teenager, who knew nothing about this world, help him? I felt so wrong. I feel so bad. How can someone be so crueled, imprisoning a child like that? JUST HOW CAN YOU, YOU LITTLE- F. If infact, one of those MF is reading this, I just wants to say ONE thing.
GO. TO. HELL.
@@umyes1585I think he’s like 18/17 right now in 2023 because this incident happened in 2014 and he was 8 at the time
@@umyes1585 about what incident u are talking about? that's bizzare.
"If you're eating, if you have a weak stomach, this is not for you"
Me: *takes another bite of my taco bell*
Sometimes the warning is warranted, and other times it really isn't, I chance it all the time
Not me eating apple pie & drinking coffee. 😂
I feel so bad for the child, especially since we’re the same age. At 17 your childhood is still very easily recalled and it makes up most of who you are. I can’t imagine going through that all alone. I really hope that he has been able to or is working through the trauma well. Wherever he is now, I hope he’s healthy and doing well surrounded by caring people.
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it seems wrong that the court only seemed to really focus on the murders and not the fact that she abused her son and left him alone days on end it seems in a gross apartment with no food and two dead bodies. not that the murder isn't important but its weird that they almost skipped over that part. i hope that the son can live a normal life away from her.
you are totally valid. i have never been frustrated than this before, the case has so much more to dig in, and this is more that just a two man who had been murdered. we have the brother who witnessed 2 people dying. at 17 the brother is at his right age to know exactly what is right and wrong or even just the basic humanity. now, 27y.o? that grown man must have psychophatic tendencies
and could potentially develop some mental disorder at this point. isn't that alarming? how he live his life like nothing happen? now we also have the younger brother that has been emotionally and physically abandoned at the very young age and had suffer for all those years. i am not saying that what his brother had experience is invalid but how could an 8 year old boy possibly know how to cope from the situation he had been, or to know what the hell is right or wrong when there is a possibility that he also witnessed the crime of his mom. i couldn't imagine how an 8 year old boy that hasn't been nurture in every aspect to live his life after everything he had gone through. they could have also investigated what the mom has did to that child for all those years bc there is nothing good will happen in the child's life if he will not be nurture in every aspect of the people who are going to help him and by helping a child is know everything he had been through.
Ignoring child abuse should never be this normalised and called ‘culture’, I love Korea but this is just sad how nobody did anything until the child kept screaming and crying, only to get rid of that annoying voice not to really help him. Sad. I’m from Middle East and many people sadly have the same attitude of ‘not my life, I wouldn’t middle in’ like no, you should middle in.
Much as I don’t like these dramatized YT narrations of terrible events, she does a wonderful job of telling these stories. I’ve watched a couple of her videos now and she’s pretty great. 👌
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@@armykookie558shes so insensitive. shes awful
I ❤ Bailey
Ok, but nobody’s talking about how she PRACTICED saying “I’m sorry” while in police custody, as if she was practicing in the mirror before a school play. This is worse than a horror movie, that woman is what nightmares are made of omg 😶 disturbing does not even feel like an adequate description for the way she nonchalantly practiced mimicking human behavior while being interrogated. Real life is scarier than fiction. :( thank you Stephanie so much
I'm so glad I found Stephanie and her family. From vlogs to true crime, I always have her on while working out, working and studying.
@@KO-sx9uyhuh?? i literally just said i watch her a lot i didnt say im inlove with her lmao??
The last 2 I can get behind but how do you work out while hearing those stories this is wild to me
@@UnkownWonders thats kind of the point of podcasts
@@UnkownWondersisnt that normal Sherlock?
@@jezzz200 no?
I have adhd and can’t sit through a whole video without watching a different one but as soon as I found rotten mangos account, I was hooked! She tells these true crime cases so well and the emotion is on point! I can actually sit down and watch this whole thing!
Same! My adhd brain usually can't handle anything too long but Steph is awesome 😎💯❤️
Same. It's like listening to my friend rant on her passions and I cannot stop listening to her.
Samee she’s amazing
@@kassassin_brahgawkthis is exactly how i would describe it !!
I'm not diagnosed, but suspect that I have ADHD and I enjoy listening to RM and other storytellers on UA-cam while I work or clean my house. The stories are really engaging and well told and often heartbreaking especially when kids are involved 😢
Just her explaining the smell of a human corpse and the insides of the kimchi made me want to cry, I don’t understand how the child survived with that smell and bugs in there.
The entire situation is absolutely terrible and honestly scary to think that this just went by for years.
he probably became nose blind after a while luckily so the stench wouldn’t be as bad.
I feel so much sympathy towards the little boy. He was so young and he shouldnt have gone through that.
For heinous crime like this, and the fact the she kept the body as a trophy or whatever with her for 10years, didn't dump it somewhere to be discovered, didn't bury it etc...she kept it with her....how can high court give her less than what the prosecution is asking? How can they even look the the victim's families and be like....24 years? no maybe 18 years should be enough. And the fact that she will still live to see the light of day when she gets released is sooo mind blowing while her victims di3d and for sure even in death they struggle to be at peace knowing their bodies are like that...bruh, SK laws needs some reviewing....
Given her hoarding habit, it seems like the woman wanted to hoard the bodies as well in the bucket, to not let them go
except she avoided living there with them, just left her poor kid there alone
@@nikkimclay5474That is true, but the minds of mentally ill people don’t make logical sense, so what Swudz said could also be true given the situation
Creepy!! Or because of population density there was no way to remove them without being noticed
@@spigney4623
Since SK is full of CCTV, she would have difficulties to dispose of the bodies, so it's easier to hide them, just like that Kpop killer.
You don't realize how much I love this channel. It's litteraly making my days this year. Either this channel or the podcast. I can't get this satisfaction from any other channel. It's litteraly healing me 😭
same 😭
Samee
i remember listening to her podcasts while drawing, it helped me contencrate soo much
@@liaedwards0i listen to them while i do my schoolwork and i always get stuff done by the end of the podcast/video
SAME
There was actually a very similar case in Poland in 2003, city called Łódź. Police found 4 kids in huge barrels for pickling cabbage. 😢😢😢
What the fuck I live in Łódź and didn't know about this case
O kurde grubo
Turns out it’s even more horrific because there are two different barrel baby cases from the same time and area.
@@ninasherlock7318 oh yeah I remember, in the village area??
@@ninasherlock7318TWO? Oh God... these poor children...
It’s so scary to think and know that there are many international cases that I wouldn’t know about. I’m so glad I found your channel!
And that is now with laws and regulations. Imagine before. I gotta say, our genes probably don't have much room and we are getting closer to the generation where we will be relatives. We see how genes deteriorate and mutate to create defect as the similar and/or same genes mix up.
@@timeless9820What?
@@picachugirl2036
I think they're answering to another short. I have that Problem too sometimes that my comment/reply doesn't load to the short I wanted to.😅
The little boy deserves everything and more. I hope he is getting lots of help, love and tasty things.
You are such an amazing story teller, you paint a picture and give details, speaking so clearly and with character. You have a real talent, its almost a lost art, story telling. So glad I found your channel!!!
I totally agree! She would be perfect to voice Disney characters or to voice movies like in the style of Nanny McPhee! She is such an awesome narrator that I become glued to her videos!!
As I was listening to this case, I keep hugging and kissing my son. I just cannot imagine the hell that poor baby went through. I cannot imagine putting my son through something like that. My heart is breaking. I just hope he is safe and well now.
Saaaame. That poor freaking child 😢 i cant believe there are people out there in the world who'd do this to their own 😱😭
Same I was hugging and watching my nephew run around laughing and I was so thank ful I wish I could hug and look after that little boy
I hope youre not allowing your child to hear this ?!!
@@lorimiller4301 he's only 4 and English is not our native language so he cannot understand even if he watches this.
stephanie makes me so happy and entertained literally nothing can have me focused this long
Omgosshhhh me too
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Seriously😂
Same!!
I listen to her videos while doing homework, lol 😂
I'm on 9 minutes into the video but the mention of the kid being left home reminds me of my 3 cousins. Their mom would leave them for weeks at a time while she was off doing drugs or with men or both. Their grandparents, my great aunt and uncle, would get a call from random neighbors or just people who lived near them (we grew up in a small town and they lived in the middle of the country in whatever house their mom shared with whatever man she was with at the time) and they'd say "We haven't seen their mom in a few days or whatever, so you might want to come get them." and the grandparents would go get them and bathe and feed them until she came back. Once she was gone for EIGHT MONTHS and apparently the kids never asked where their mother was. My family ALWAYS talked shit about their mother and how awful she was but NO ONE ever said anything about their dad who was paying child support and KNEW how his kids was being treated but never ONCE wanted custody of them. Years later, when the youngest two were in middle and high school, their mom lost custody of them. Their dad still didn't want them and his mom (the grandparent that was coming to get them every time) was the one who got custody of them. As I got older I always wondered why it was "okay" to talk crap about their mom but not their dad. Obviously the answer is, the dad was family but that's a shitty reason. If anything I blame him more because he was raised well. The mother wasn't. Her own mom was gone a lot and "liked men", shall we say. Their mom's oldest sister was pregnant for the first time at 12 and the father was 19 or so. When their mother found out, her response was "You better marry him! I don't allow WHORES in my house". The mom was living with a grown man (like 25 or 30) when she was 15 years old. In contrast the father of my cousins grew up in a 2 parent household with a younger brother. Both parents worked and were pretty normal. Anyway, I always thought it was pretty messed up that she was bad for what she did but not him.
Thank you for reading my rant. xD
Well she was horrible and awful for just abandoning her kids like that, I'm surprised CYFD didn't take them but yeah the father should have done way more too.
I don't watch any podcasts at all. Except yours. You are the most talented, eloquent, smooth-speaking, attention-grabbing narrator I've ever come across!
I love a good mystery, I'm wondering how you found her if you don't watch podcasts?
@@christinepettett9138 The algorithm works in mysterious ways.
Sameee
@@christinepettett9138I too don't watch podcasts, I think i first started watching her baking a mystery and then this since her podcast isn't available in my country
@@christinepettett9138 I'm the same with OP. never was a fan of podcasts but idk why, I was suddenly so bored out of my mind that I was checking my podcast app. one of her episodes were on top, I checked it out and the rest was history. now I obsess with her contents so much. she's a very very talented narrator and just a delightful human being together with her family :)
About why she didn't get rid of the body: my bet is because it's nearly impossible to do that in Korea. Trash bins are checked before taking away and the amount of cameras outside is insane
Its really smart they check the bins before taking them away. I swear, america should start doing that. Imagine the TONS of people and stolen items they'd be able to recover faster
@@desert_holly No.
@@Vicus_of_Utrechtyes
@@Vicus_of_Utrecht something to hide, Vicus? Who would that hurt besides the guilty?
@@nitebreak lol, no. You some fucking freak?
10:15 "The entire second floor gave off a stench like the sun gives off heat" That was a really good analogy and description Steph! ❤
Pls cover the current case that is happening in the Philippines as of now… it’s about the girl had an affair with a pastor that killed her fiancé, it is currently trending as we speak. Thank u! And I love how the way u present the stories ! ❤
My boyfriend has the Korean mind your business mentality and he is white as snow, as for me, I’m Korean American and I’m always panicked when I hear children or women crying/screaming. It’s shocking how living situations can change how certain people should be programmed to think.
Same, I truly don't get Korean people mindset like someone, a kid is screaming crying for DAYss and NOT call somebody or something, that's crazy to me.
@@destineybailey6890 If a man intervene they will label him as a creep.
@@tokebak4291 No?
@@UnkownWonders yes?
@@destineybailey6890that’s like an east asian thing sadly i wish things change
Child neglect, child abuse, child abandonment, two murders, and she forced her son to help dispose of his own fathers body yet she only has to serve 18 years. She deserves to stay in there for life, she ruined the life’s of so many and felt no remorse
She should’ve gotten life. She should’ve been charged with 2 murders , child neglect/ abuse, and there has to be a charge for her impersonating her dead husband, not reporting his death, and also mistreating his dead body. She also showed no remorse especially for the second dude and even purposely said he was a foreigner cus she knew it would be punished less time.
I hope the child is leading a good life. I hope a good healthy family was found for him and his first 8 years are just scary memories now.
Can you imagine a random nan coming over to hook up, and walk into that mess and smell🤢🤮🤧
Age clearly doesn't matter. In the Philippines, there's an old woman around 70 years old who had murdered her house helper. I hope you can cover this case because it's facinating how a senior elderly woman was able to kill her helper and dump the body on her own
i hope stephanie can cover this one
Lol gosh I haven't heard of that 🤭
as a Filipino born and raised there until I moved away. I'm honestly terrified that I haven't heard of this.
Even in my neighbourhood a last V threw acid on my other neighbors who they were super close with all because she was jealous of the new Jewllery she had. The woman is 73 as well. My god this is terrible on so many counts. I hope Ji ho would forget all of this pain and grow away from this trauma.
edit: I COMMENTED THIS BEFORE WATCHING THE VIDEO.
I love how stephanie does crime videos based in Asia. As an african person this helps a lot bc some things i never knew before abt asian cultures, i feel so educated on them now!
You want some Kimchi?
I don't think learning about new cultures from true crime videos is really beneficial. 😅
@@Canyouseemeanna i didn’t mean it in a rude/weird way, sorry if it seems that way
@@A-SpectNDO i’m okay…
common try some, is good. We have it straight from a bucket!!@@paris3783
she kills me the way she described the deteriorating skin as ‘shlop’ then went ‘sorry’ right afterward 😭
I like when true crime UA-camrs actually describe the whole crime and how the killing actually happened, even if it’s gruesome. It’s easier to imagine what happened and feel more sorry for the victims tbh idk how to explain💀
Dont be sorry those men are part of the patriarchy. She was force to do it. She a victim.
do you want to speedrun being demonetized? because that’s how you speedrun being demonetized.
I remember the time I made a report to CPS. The fighting was just annoying at first. A teenager dealing with mental illness and a mom struggling to keep things together. But there was a man involved and all kinds of stuff I don't care to get into, so I decided I should probably at least make a report. I was checking to see if I could do it online (since it was the middle of the night) and the website was so poorly optimized. I remember thinking I was just going to give up because it was too much of a hassle, and right afterward I was so disgusted with myself. I was going to put my convenience over the possible safety of a child? I made the report and they were checked on. Don't know if anything came of it, but at least I can sleep at night knowing I did the only thing any half decent human being would do.
my respect
this actually made my head pound and i had to pause halfway through because of the psychological toll hearing this brought me
thank you for shedding light to this situation
She really doesn't know how much she's helping me I have a crochet business It is really hard for me to focus on orders and watching her videos and crocheting really help
The Rotten Mango theme song and introduction is so mysteriously beautiful with a twist of creepiness. It's really good!!!
the intro is a lot like the intro of the glory if you've ever seen that show. she even does a break down of it so Im pretty positive it was inspired by that
The intro is "Imagine Us" by Brightarm Orchestra. I also really like it and had to find a longer version (it's on UA-cam).
I only found this video because I was looking for kimchi recipes... but then I was hooked! 😄Brilliant! Love this story teller, she's great.
I recently came across Rotten Mango and she creates some of the most captivating murder mystery podcasts out there. Her attention to detail and research skills are truly impressive, and she presents each case in a way that keeps you on the edge of your seat. I have spent hours listening to her podcasts, and I am always left with a newfound appreciation for the complexities of criminal investigations. Rotten Mango's passion for true crime is contagious, and I highly recommend her podcasts to anyone who enjoys a good mystery.
you make the best vids ever
She has a name, it's Stephanie
@@hijjhggffffgu im aware of that i just didnt know at the time. also this was 5 months ago buddy..
I'm confused as to how the heck she even got 2 grown men into a 4 ft bucket together, and be able to close the lid. This case is absolutely terrifying 😢
tbf the first one was there for ages already so he would’ve been kinda… dissolved😭😭and therefore wouldn’t really take as much space
@@pitbullism this is true. Just.... wooooow 😭😭
You’re the only true crime channel I watch. You really care about the stories you tell. You have so much empathy and want to memorialize the victims in a meaningful way ❤
This is one of the most bizarre cases I have ever heard of.
I feel so freaking sorry for the little kid, imagine the neighbors that lived above and bellow the apartment can't take the smell, but the kid LIVED in that apartment. She should have been sentenced for life for what she did to the kid. She is not someone to be let out to live among the people, she belongs in jail until the day she dies or she will murder again in cold blood.
The neighbours are really weird too. You hear a child crying everyday from an apartment that smells like hell and you only call help when the child's crying becomes too unbearable for YOU that you cannot cover with tv noise.
@@CanyouseemeannaKorean culture and it's "not my business" mentality is truly disgusting in these circumstances
And maybe the bacteria from the apartment will also affect and scar the lung of the child and can even go to the heart.
@@kirin1230 Read more news and you'll see that it wasn't just Koreans.
i feel so bad for the kid , literally was on the verge of tears .
“I love him so much I can’t be away from his bod” killed me.
So mentally illed and crazy in the brain fr.
This mother sounds so unhinged. I feel awful for her son and the trauma he will carry now.
Yeah, that mom is demonic.
Don't be she a victim the patriarchy, it force her to do it. Its partially the son fault
@@tokebak4291 touch grass :)
She's a victim but not of the patriarchy..she's a victim in the sense that mental health in Korea is frowned upon. Because it's a vulnerable thing and makes you appear weak..
@@FukaiKokoro she isn't a victim of anything besides of her own consequences to her actions. You can't justify and shield potential murder with mental illness we aren't in the 60s
I’ve been stuck listening to your stories/podcast for the past two days. Your videos are so easy to listen to and informative. It’s calming for some reason.
I just found your channel and I must say I love the enthusiasm you show while telling the stories. And it is sooo "refreshing" with crimes I have never heard of. Thanks!
I’m so glad I found this channel !! I love true crime and this is the first channel I’ve come across that covers stories from other countries, every video is a story I’ve never heard of and it’s so great !! These stories matter and I’m so glad that someone is covering them and doing such a great job. Every video is done so well and with so much information- there has not been a single one that has been boring. I always listen to these while I clean my room and aquarium and whenever I hang out with my boyfriend I have to tell him all about the most recent video you posted. Thank you !!
AN HOUR? HELL YEAHH i literally found her channel three weeks ago and ive binged everything (on every chanel) I literally love her sm
LMAO YOOOO ME TOOOO she's topped all the true crime content I've ever seen. I'm also so glad to see her channel growing, she deserves so much recognition!
"If you're eating this episode might not be for you" **Me mid-bite of my KIMCHI.**
Omg that poor baby. I cannot imagine living in that environment with some this unstable 😢 I hope he’s doing ok and gets the best of the best. As terrible as her crimes were, the mom is clearly unwell in so many ways, I hope she gets the mental help she needs while in jail.
This all sounds like it could be a movie.
Like, one of her son's was crushed by sand?! I was in shock when I heard that.
The other witnessed it and a few years later, helped cover up the death of his father! I was speechless. While I still think he should have told the police, he probably lives the guilt.
And finally, the youngest was living with bugs, mice and two dead bodies. My heart aches for him and I hope he can have some what of a normal life now.
What a vile woman. Even the picture of her sends chills down my spine.
the death of her son prob triggered her descent into madness
Youre such an enthralling story teller, i love your genuine (at times morbid.. "schlop... sorry" lmao) fascination and passion
Its really unsettling how in a building of apartment you dont really know what goes on next door. It gives me so much anxiety getting into a building and walking thru doors 😭. Thankfully i live in a small town where houses are apart from each other.
This story is WILD! I’m shocked they haven’t made a movie or show out of this yet.
I’ve never heard a true crime channel tell the stories in such detail! Your style is very unique. It almost seems like you have these stories totally memorized
Stephanie is a great story teller, there were a few that I followed for different cases summary too. But I enjoyed her very much, as if a good friend is sharing a story and I listen! Well done Stephanie & Steph's hubby! Congrats on your wedding recently.
I swear ur channel is so addictive😭 its like the only hour long video i can actually watch w out getting bored😭
I'm a Sri lankan woman myself, and when I tell you my jaw dropped, IT DROPPED when I heard the mention of that Sri Lankan male.
Hoarding disorder is usually tied to severe depression, OCD and psychotic disorders including schizophrenia. In Lee’s case HD plays a huge part in Lee’s horrible decision making. The fact she chose to hoard her late husband’s body who ‘allegedly’ died of natural causes in the house instead of bury him for 10+ years while her son knew about it and accepted it, is solid evidence to the deterioration of her mental disorders and how that deeply affected her son’s brain functions and development of his Non toxic empathy skills and instead created deeply rooted trauma and “Toxic empathy” which is known to occur when a person tends to over empathise with others, which can lead to feelings of stress, anxiety, continues distrustful behaviour and exhaustion, signs of toxic empathy include feeling drained after social interactions, having difficulty setting boundaries, and feeling others pain as our own which were all struggles that Lee’s Son faced because of her inability to acquire mental health assistance instead of giving in to all her darkest fears and destructive thoughts. I personally don’t know if her husband died of natural causes or not because she seemed to have exchanged blame with him over the death of their 2nd son in 1995 so who knows maybe she drove him to suicide, poisoned him or maybe it’s like the son said natural causes and she just couldn’t bare part from his body due to her severe case of hoarding disorder which is could very likely be the scenario here. Either way this is quite a sad case and i wish Lee gotten help before it’s too late, the son barely survived his mother and now left with trauma for life i wish him and all the victims families peace and hope this serves as a lesson to engage critical thinking and self reflection as well as seek mental health support from family and friends and even neighbours if you’re unable to provide medical help for yourself there are many mental health services available in our current day and age, they exist to provide assistance when needs be so allow them to help most importantly please never ignore your mental health state as it’s the foundation of all our thoughts, actions and physical health - on a more personal note, i myself suffered a mild case of hoarding in 2011 i remember it very clearly i was going through a depressive state of mind for 2 weeks during a yearly memorial of my best friend’s passing m, it was and still very challenging each year but this particular time it hit me harder due to other factors back then all of which i recognised as a very serious symptoms of depression and since then i tried to become very conscious of my intrusive thinking and even started digging at the root causes and that lead me to self exploring which lead to full on studying neurobiology “female brain activity” which i was awarded a master’s degree for by HMX this year .. this was the 3rd academic degree for me as my first and 2nd were in business management, innovational strategy and leadership. I mainly decided to study neurobiology to understand how my brain operates on a deeper level as it’s the most powerful tool in the human arsenal a side from the other perceived understanding that “shame” is considered by most to be the most effective tool, and even though it wasn’t for academia at first for me it definitely didn’t hurt to obtain qualifications along the way and even now as a private chef de cuisine, recipe developer and food & beverage service owner but most importantly i would say it probably saved me from long term suffering trying to understand why i feel, act and think the way i do and process it all with accurate understanding and if i may i add, if you happen to be reading this and wondering .. you don’t need a degree whatsoever to know more about your own brain chemistry and the difference between male and female brain activity to do that you just need to read more about the subject, not only does regular reading help make you smarter, but it can also actually increase your brainpower. Just like going for a jog exercises our cardiovascular system, reading regularly improves memory function by giving our brain a good workout, allow yourself to get curious and think of research as a way of life, believe in your abilities to self control and develop healthy critical thinking paradigms to help you develop healthier skills and gradually the dark intrusive thoughts will work themselves out as the increase of knowledge levels provides a grasp over our own neurological maps
Omg so much words
i have ocd, is ocd psychotic? (Nobody told me, so, i'm just curious lol)
You helped be to understand what I went through in the late 90s.. Call me weird but I've always enjoyed cleaning and found it relaxing but after a series of negative intense events plus having flashbacks from early childhoods that I didn't know existed until i had them I became incapable of cleaning to the point of immobility at one point. Through perseverance, hardwood, antidepressants, and God I finally made it out of that darkness. Today I have peace of mind and I am content with who I am and what I have and have not.
finally a non npc comment. Thanks for the psychological insights, I never encountered the term ‘toxic empathy’ before.
i've been having metaphysical contamination ocd for the past decade and mine's due to higher reuptake of the neurotransmitter serotonin
i personally don't think it's psychotic though it's debilitating
I swear I have ADHD until Rotten Mango drops a video. I suddenly can sit and listen to an hour story no problem.
I think it's the way she tells the story
@@alisongeorge3089yeah, right? Like, one time my WiFi wasn't working correctly, and UA-cam was a little messed up, most videos i would click on wouldn't play. I ended up just bingeing rotten mango videos since most of those worked. It was great.
Same!
4:42 BRO HOW ARE HER VIDEOS SO MAJESTIC AND STUNNING
These stories from Korea are always so outrageous like you're watching a crazy horror movie 💀
I loveeee this background setting the most !!!! It fits the rotten mango vibe the best ! Please bring it back 😂❤
I feel bad for the 2 boyfriends that had to go through this
19:14 "In new york, that's a palace"
What a queen, knows how to make us laugh in such situations so we wont be too scared
That blue tint can be caused by a thinning Sclera, which allows the tissue beneath, called the choroid, to peek through. This is cause extreme anemia. Long periods of starvation can cause extremely low iron. It's this that would cause this blue tint in the white if the eye she was talking about.
Other causes, but probably not why the the child's eyes were blueish tint:
Steroids
Ehlers Danlos Syndome
Brittle bone disease
Incontenentia pigmenti
Marfan syndrom
My opinion it was starvation that thined the whites of the eyes and brings thru the color underneath
& osteogenesis imperfects
This case is heartbreaking especially when a child has to live through it
Stephanie! I have a possible explanation for the blue eye detail. The part behind the white in your eyes is a dark blue, but usually you can't see it because the white skin is thick enough. I have a condition called Ehlers-Danlos syndrome and that causes my eyes to be a slightly blue tint. It does seem as though his is most likely genetic but could also be much more vibrant just due to his lack of nutrients!
yeah it was probably severe iron defeciency
There's a fairly common saying, "Not all sociopaths are psychopaths. But every psychopath is a sociopath." That's just kind of what this story reminded me of.
I was listening to multiple episodes of yours while crafting to keep me entertained, half absorbing the story, when you got to the end and said that the boy would be 17, turning 18 this year. I turned 18 this year. This could have been a classmate or a cousin of mine if it happened in the US. Scariest part of the story by far.
My friend from college was Korean, and his parents owned a restaurant / Bodega in Queens. His mom made the best Kimchi I had ever had, and was so tickled that I liked it so much that every time he went home, she made sure to send some with him for me. I think he cursed me in his head every time he had to ride the subway with it. 😁
Anemia/iron deficiency can also cause the whites of your eyes looking blue-ish. Might have just been the malnourishment.
Stephanie you have become my favorite true crime podcaster! I love not only the cases you cover but how you deliver these stories. I am hooked and have done nothing but binge watch you!! Thank you for all the research that goes in to each and every one of these cases. You are phenomenal!!
Can appreciate how much effort amd time goes into her videos and she never fails to impress us❤❤
I appreciate how often you're releasing Stephanie!!!
Poor kid💔 wishing the best for him. She deserved life.
This is certain to be a Horrific story. Thank you for covering these stories that few others dare to even talk about... (or never go into detail) Your research is always next level. Edit: why didn't they strain the contents? It seems off to have them risk infection touching it.
You have become my favorite true crime place to be, thank you for doing these every few days. I can’t imagine how much this would ask of you, doing all this research and work. Thank you ❤️
when she said "if your eating-" i clicked off so fast, LMAO
😂
Love how you explain your story’s with so much enthusiasm 😃😃