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He was probably a goner on the impact. Or maybe just critically injured, then consumed in the fire. But I wonder why none of the crew in the foreground had bothered to hustle over there with a fire extinguisher? It might have made a slight difference, consider the slow response by the airport fire services, taking almost 6 minutes to lay water on the plane.
@@4seeableTV Good intentions are not a substitute for training and PPE. Untrained people in street clothing should not run up to a burning airplane if they want to stay alive and be helpful. Even if they have a fire extinguisher. It's not an easy thing to accept, but it's reality. Related, I think it's hard to appreciate scale in this video.
@@WhatYouHaventSeen I understand that. And yes, the plane was further way than it looked, and those that *did* approach the plane seemed to know it was already too late. They went from being fast on their feet to just standing around. But still, the airplane crew in the foreground could've feigned a *little* concern.
I’ve flown into Lewiston and talked to this ATC. She’s very professional and a wonderful, skilled controller. So sad she had to witness this tragedy, but she handled it perfectly.
@@hotttt28 planes don’t levitate just because someone died. In fact, you can kill more people by just stopping all control and letting each plane figure out how to find ground without running out of gas.
@@maxsmith695 well I thought maybe that was a better way of saying his body was probably mangled and burnt to the point of being unrecognizable but ok have it your way. His body much like the plane he was in was smashed and burnt to $hit.
As an airline pilot for a major US carrier, I've talked to my fair share of controllers, including (of course) those at *extremely* busy airports. This controller is right up there at the top of the best in the business.
@@morganzubeck411 are you the controller that we hear in this video?? If so then I hate that you had to witness such an accident, but you are amazing at your job!
Thank you for saying this, as a complete amateur that only follow sim ATC and stuff, but have /some/ experience in handling a crisis (not sim related) this is what I thought as well. I hope this event didn't take too much a toll on her.
Wish I hadn’t watched, but I had to know. Breaks my heart knowing him, like so many others. Lucky enough to have shared time with his smile and he was a rascal at times. Bigger than life and lived it well and the wake from his loss has touched so many. It seems to be the unsuspecting moments that catch the great ones. Flying with Dale and will always be a highlight and honor in this pilots logbook. RIP you have lived a thousand lifetimes and thrilled a million more...
@@gocanada9749 Don't see it in this incident as I notice a lack of control surface movement. I see the point, but Dale was about calculated risk as many in the profession. They are sure of the outcome prior to the maneuver or taking the risk... No Sir, this was something else that was beyond his ability to correct.
@@cw5865 Im no pilot, but it seemed like maybe a gust of wind from head-on picked him up and stalled him, nowhere near high enough for anyone to recover. All three wheels picked up at the same time and he went right up from there. I've seen video of this size aircraft being blown across the airfield and getting airborne due to a wind event. This looked very similar as far as the liftoff, climb, and stall.
@@Max_R_MaMint Hey Max, I can see how you can come to that conclusion from various videos, but I can assure you that will not be the case for several reasons other than your stall observation. That and altitude would be correct as not enough to recover and from Dale’s last transmissions he knew that too. The weather conditions were not conducive for a gust of that magnitude and the aircraft isn’t of a light sport category. It actually is one of 50 built for the Italian Army from a Cessna blueprint of a established airframe. It is a beefed up version with 400 hp Rolls-Royce Turbine C-250 series. That said, with the experience level of Dale and the extreme pull up, it would have been from the position of the control surfaces. Never good to guess at a cause as many accidents are a combinations of factors or errors each depending on the other. It is referred to as an accident chain. I had a suspicion based on where he crashed on the field and position of control surfaces in the video. But that would mean a major oversight that has been said to be unlikely cause due to the engineering of the component. So we will have to wait and see...
@@cw5865 Thanks for the reply, brother. I gather you knew him; my sincere condolences. I neither fly nor knew him, and this was really hard to watch. Hope everyone finds peace.
@@Mike-01234 Guy was great; watched him fly many times. GA flying is still dangerous, though, and it has to be respected as such. That said, I don’t think there’s a lesson here other than you never know when it’s your time, so enjoy it while you’ve got it.
@@gogogeedus He definitely was in a hurry and missed something-seat could slide back, control lock, luggage jammed stick, I doubt it was the aircraft. No matter your experience, it only takes one mistake or small oversight.
Flew with Snort in the P-51 Little Horse during the pre buy. Great guy, a great pilot, an absolutely incredible ride, and my boss bought the plane. RIP Snort. It was an honor to fly with you.
You can hear she is shaken a little, as anyone would be witnessing (and hearing) the abrupt final moments of someone's life. Nonetheless, her composure to get emergency responders out there ASAP was nearly perfect. That girl knows how to do the job.
@@deetwodcs4683 Some UA-camrs have reviewed the NTSB report. The control lock is down low and unobtrusive. It's possible to taxi the airplane with it in place, but any test of the flight controls would have made it immediately apparent. Dale was in a rush, and skipped his normal meticulous preflight. The swearing we hear is no doubt him realizing too late what a dumb mistake he made.
@@MrJeffcoley1 A big lesson for us all. You're never too “experienced” to make beginner mistakes. (like not checking the flight controls) He survived landing his F-14 on a stormy day/night (I don't remember) where you could see the screws of the ship coming out the water and back… just sad to than die from not checking the flight controls. Therefore, I agree with the notion that he probably was furious at himself during his last seconds alive.
Kudos to the controller. She was the last earthly contact Snort had, watched the crash happen, and maintained her composure and took care of business. RIP, Sir.
ATC can be a high stress job, if you cant stay cool under pressure its not a job for you. This Lady did a professional job as i would expect from any ATC Professional.
I feel bad for this ATCS. She is obviously devastated but is still doing her job pretty damn well. Edit: The ATCS responded to this comment. Feel free to let her know what an amazing job she did.
She may well know who was flying that plane as well, in aviation circles Captain Snodgrass was like Superman meaning that if this can happen to him, everyone else is incredibly vulnerable. He was one hell of a pilot’s pilot. I’m kind of surprised the tower supervisor didn’t pull her off the radio, maybe they are short staffed but usually if a mishap happens during a controller’s shift they are immediately pulled pending investigation. It also helps ensure that there aren’t subsequent accidents because of emotion or distractions.
I was ATC for 20+ years in the tower and TRACON; this controller is understandably shaken up and I give her an A+ for her handling of this accident. The pilot was a well-known F-14 Navy pilot -- RIP "Snort."
I flew with Snort several times as a RIO in VF-101 at NAS Oceana. He was the easily the most naturally talented pilot I ever flew with. His steadiness in getting back on the boat was amazing.
My condolences. I've been noticing how devastated members of the Armed Forces as well as the whole aviation community have been. It's very clear that he was both a great man and a great pilot.
Why do you think he pulled up so hard here and caused an immediate stall? Seems uncharacteristic from what I have read of this pilot. I am not a pilot. You being RIO I am sure you could give me some insight. Thank you for your service.
The only “good” thing, is he hit hard enough to at least be out, if not dead, before the fire engulfed the wreckage. As a seasoned firefighter, I’ve never been scared to die, just don’t want to burn to death. RIP Snort.
Marc. Be careful I got my 20 in retired ten years later came down with auto immune disorder from toxic exposure and AAAF I'm dieing slowly from it already lost a leg
Yes AAAF is the modern fire fighting foam as a shipboard the Airport firefighter I swam in the stuff just about. Plus old school dummies like me only used the Scot Air packs when we had to. And in the Coast Guard of the time we used what we called leather lungs some dating as far back as WW2. They used a chemical canister that when the tab was pulled and canister inserted and breathed upon would burn but produced hot smokey oxygen that had to be cooled in two bags on your chest on either side of the canister. You breathed this smoky foul but highly consent rated Ox , you could make it threw a ships hatchways with it. Doing stuff like that and burning contaminated unusable fuels to practice on was fun then but is biting me now
@@treyn8070 There is a preliminary report of malfunctioning elevator trim switches in this type of aircraft that works in reverse. It's electric and when you try to trim it down it will trim it up. This was a VERY experienced pilot and I'm positive this will ultimately be attributed to something other than pilot error.
The lady who did a great professional job as ATC communications was on top of getting everyone in and out on air and ground control frequencies and fire emergency ground and I want to say thank you for her help with arriving and departing traffic.
@@Syd-un1xr how old was this guy? I know Scott Cruthfield kept flying into his late 80’s and was done in when he flew right into a bad storm in a small plane, clearly a error in judgement.
A close friend and fellow airline pilot of my father’s throughout most of their careers died in an almost identical crash in a J-3 right after his retirement. It makes you wonder if some degree of complacency sets in for seasoned pilots.
Highest time F-14 pilot in history, some 5000hrs in the type. He and Cmdr. Heatly, call sign Heater, wrote the book on ACM in the Tomcat. Snodgrass was the driving force behind the development and deployment of the LANTRIN pod on the F-14D, which revolutionized its effectiveness as a strike and command aircraft. All that time flying off carriers, fighting in the gulf war, etc, and a crash in a light plane in Lewiston Idaho was his end. A great loss.
Just a friendly FYI.....F-14B/B+ Bombcats had LANTIRN pods too, brotha. I was an F-14 Navy AT(O-Level)....it was one of my systems & all we had were B's & B+ variants. =0] And I agree... a really shitty way for Snort to go.... an aviation legend killed by a shit box. (Yeah, still a little pissed about it.)
I think Scott Crossfield, X-15 test pilot, went down in a 182 I seem to recall. Bob Herendeen, TWA Captain, fighter pilot and world renowned aerobatic performer went down in a 172 I think while taking some aerial photos of his property. I'm going from memory here so some details might be off. Some of the greats are lost in rather prosaic fashion.
@@jeremyhess7977 every airplane deserves respect and can kill you the guy got too cocky and payed with his life, control lock still in place or flight control full free movement checks NOT done. arrogance and aeroplanes don't mix
I’ve talked to this tower many times while in flight school. This lady was always super nice and patient with my awful calls. So sad to see this happen.
I have 24 years ATCS and I can attest that accidents like this are gut wrenching. Normally the controller will be immediately relieved but at small facilities that might not be possible. This controller kept her cool but I could sense the strain in her voice. This looks to be a classic locked controls accident or a CG way out of limits.
@@SethBergile Sure looks like it. Even after it hit ground and came to rest that elevator looked in locked position. I'm wondering if this was a takeoff following a brief stop where pilot may have forgone a proper preflight checklist.
Tremendous composure by this controller. I want to say what a loss of a tremendous Naval Aviator, one I grew up watching at Airshows for the better part of my early life. Easily one of the best known F-14 pilots to ever fly the aircraft. A tragic loss for all involved. This controller did a great job in a very crappy situation to be in.
Back in the 1980's, my husband was a software engineer at Grumman on Long Island (where we both grew up) and the F-14 was the plane he wrote software for the flight trainer at NAS Oceana. He was at Oceana for 2 weeks every 2 weeks for 6 years. Bill also obtained his private pilot's license and worked throughout the country for several different large aviation companies as a software engineer and finally, a software manager of 175+ engineers around the world. Despite all the military and commercial planes and their software he worked on during his 30 year career, the F-14 was his favorite plane. We saw Top Gun dozens of times in the theatre and he made me miss a college class so I could be at our local Blockbuster on the morning that Top Gun was released on VHS. I had to be at the parking lot early because he wanted me to be the first one in the door when they opened to get my copy of the movie. I can't tell you how many times we watched that movie and I know the script by heart. He critiqued that movie to anyone who would watch it with us and could tell them what was real and was fictional with such intelligence and professionalism. Fast forward 30 years, Bill was diagnosed with stage IV malignant melanoma and the prognosis was grim. During the summer of 2011, there was an airshow at the local regional airport. Bill caught wind that Snort would be there with a performance squadron (whose name escapes me but they flew planes with a black/white/gray camo pattern) and Bill was SO excited - just like a little kid! Somehow, and I don't remember now, I got a hold of Snort and his people who were coming to this airshow. We told them who Bill was and we not only got front row seats for this show, but there was going to be an opportunity for Bill to actually meet Snort after his show performance. The team that Snort was performing with did their part of the show and then it was coming time for the solo part of the show for Snort to perform but he didn't come back to the flight line. Then my cell phone rang and it was Snort's assistant. Apparently, in the team performance, Snort violated some ground clearance rule and was told he could not perform any longer at the show. So the assistant informed me that Snort had to meet with FAA and show officials right away and would not be able to meet with Bill as we had arranged. Bill understood but was still super disappointed. Bill passed away 5 months later. I just found out today about Snort's crash and was deeply shocked and saddened by it. I am coming up on the 10th anniversary of Bill's passing in less than a week and all I can hope is that Bill and Snort have finally met up. Requiescat in pace, Dale "Snort" Snodgrass.
My dad worked at Grumman on the Tomcat as well. 30 years there, a true "don't make em like they used to" kind of place. It was magic for me growing up around spaceships, airplanes and the people who designed , built and flew them. The LEM his pride and joy, the the Tomcat and Hawkeye a tie. I'm sure he bumped shoulders with Snort and your husband. R.I.P to all, who are no doubt talking about planes this very second.
@@craigpennington1251 I feel sorry for anyone who is so miserable or lost or mean spirited that they feel the insatiable need to inject negativity and hurt into an area they don't belong. Good people of the world survive and thrive every day not because of you, but despite you. I pity you and pray for you.
I have seen a lot of fatalities…. This one is so hard to see knowing who is at the controls. The most prolific Tomcat Driver ever. R. I. P. “SNORT”. WE HAVE THE WATCH.
I was wondering if it was Snort..... So sad, so devastating. Can go through a career as the highest tomcat driver ever and get taken out in a freak accident 😔 Everyone will want answers! R.I.P Snort, an amazing guy who had an amazing career! See you on the other side 😔
My uncle Bob Reinauer was a navy fighter pilot who also died in a similar manner in a restored antique Airmaster at 59 years old before just before he was to retire from the airlines in 2006. Great man, great pilot. They may have even known each other. It was a horrible tragedy that none of us wanted. I know if you’d have told him that flying those things was dangerous, he’d have smiled and said, “Yeah, everything’s dangerous, but this is what I love, and when God calls me, it’s my time.” I flew in the Navy and am an airline pilot as well because of him. In addition I fly and race hang gliders, because I absolutely love flying. Nobody wants this for themself or others. At the end of the day though, we do what we love, accept and try to mitigate the risks. God bless him, and those who morn his loss.
Kind of surprised someone didn't grab that big Ansul bottle fire extinguisher at the right against the wall and run out there with it to spray down the wreck before it went ablaze. That controller has TREMENDOUS self-control, as well.
Yes its hard to see people not taking action that would help, but people react to emergencies in different ways. Those onlookers were probably in a but of shock, literally stunned. Although their 'sober' selves would have known what to do, some people just freeze when disaster strikes. It's not a moral or courage issue, it's millions of years of evolution; an involuntary survival reflex. I bet in the moment, those people were completely oblivious to the fire extinguisher, they will have just been transfixed on the accident. That said it also does take a lot of courage to approach a raging inferno. Things don't explode like they do in the movies, but that will have been on the minds of people. I like to think I would have run over there if it was me, but you never know until it actually happens, and every emergency is different. Finally, I have been in the position of being first on scene in a life threatening emergency. I had to provide first aid (to a child with serious injury/blood loss) and call the emergency services. The adrenaline got me through, but I was wiped out immediately when the professionals took over, and a bit messed up for a few days afterwards. So hat's off to thmen and women who do it every day. I have no idea how the professionals cope with the stuff they must see. Big respect to all emergency personnel.
"No! Check! Check!" I believe, that was his Navy training kicking in asking his RIO to perform a particular task possibly ejection related. We just witnessed a legend being perished. Dale 'Snort' Snodgrass could fly the F-14 Tomcat like nobody's business. Really took it to the edge and then pushed it over the limit departing controlled flight and then re-gaining control using his stick/rudder and burners. I mean, he would stand the Tomcat up at full power on its tail at zero airspeed at 120 knots with full flaps and slats with no fear of compressor stall (on the A version temperamental TF-030 engines) even disabling the mid-compression by-pass circuit breaker to gain more thrust at the risk of a stall and then whip the nose around at an astonishing 45 degree/second instantaneous rate to get nose-on to his opponent fighter to get a kill. In airshow he would whip the nose around and then start going exactly in the direction he came from. He is on record stating several times that he used to pull 9 - 10 G in the F-14 Tomcat during ACM as well as in videos of airshow demos just 50 feet over the ground and never suffered G-LOC. He got shot at during Wars by SAM missiles in Iraq. Yet, he got killed by pitching up and stalling a little civilian plane. What a heartbreak. R.I.P to the greatest Tomcat pilot who ever lived and one of the best pilots of all times. Soar high, captain. Fly Tomcats up there in formation alongside angels in heaven. "Anytime Baby!"
@@acasualviewer5861 Yeah, I think there was an issue with the rear horizontal stabilizers as Snort was too good to make a mistake, but still the investigation just started
Yeah, i may be wrong, but to me the elevators seemed to be in the neutral position during the entire sequence. Must've been way aft CG for some reason.
As the situation becomes worse with the fire, you can hear the tears in the ATC’s voice as she remains professional when she knows she is delivering commentary on a most likely tragic situation. It’s absolutely heartbreaking in all aspects.
Yeah, poor girl. Even when it’s clearly and obviously not their fault, the controllers subconsciously hold themselves somewhat responsible. She was undoubtedly traumatized. Huge respect for her professional attitude and composure.
People, let's get real. Snodgrass was a Top Gun F-14 guy. I only have 66 hours in Cessnas & Pipers. How does a pilot of his caliber forget "CONTROLS FREE & CORRECT"? This was a control lock left in place. ☹️
When I first became a pilot. The old timer who was my instructor, said something that's stuck with me ever since. He said "New guys make mistakes, sure. But they don't know better. The only other peolle who make remotely close to as many mistakes, are the best of the best. The super experienced guys who everyone looks up to." He went on to explain something along the lines of the fact that They've done it so many times, it becomes like second nature to them. Pre-flights, standard procedures, etc. They can practically do them in their sleep. Which leads to complacency. Even the best of the best can make a mistake once in a while. And in aviation, one mistake is all it takes to kill you, and possibly a bunch of other people. You may be a professional airline pilot with 35k hours who owns a little Citabria or something on the side for some weekend fun flying or whatever.. But you gotta do that checklist like a new guy EVERY TIME FOREVER. Because aviation is a ton of fun, but it's also incredibly unforgiving and tends to not give second chances.
If only there was a bright red cart labeled FIRE with several large capacity extinguishers within 20 yards of a dozen witnesses. That definitely would have been a lucky thing...
The lens on the surveillance camera is tricky. Very wide angle. The distance to the crash is right at 750 feet based on a Google Earth measurement. By hand you probably couldn't pull that cart that far faster than the fire truck arrived. Hooking the cart up to a tug or the like adds a whole other dimensional problem to the equation. It all seems easy until you are there and have to do it yourself. Good idea, hard to implement.
There were extinguishers on the ramp. It would have taken a person less than a minute to sprint to the crash and get some retardant on the cockpit. The pilot likely was killed on impact, but at least try and do something.
@@4seeableTV probably because that extinguisher is exclusive on that plane, should there be also an accident on that plane etoo what are they going to use then?
I read a post from someone purporting to be a friend of Dales. He said he was disgusted that this video was put up on youtube. Watching this video could save a life. I read NTSB reports and watch crash videos so that I don’t repeat these mistakes. I’m sure Dale would want this video posted too.
He lost his life , but probably saved few others , just by people watching the video … I know I’ll be looking for damn control lock from now on every time I’m in the plane
His spouse has also been pushing as many people as she can to flag the video via the Naval Aviation Museum. I understand her pain and as she put it, "the final seconds of my husbands life." But...I think you're right also.
I live in the area and have flown out/in to this airport. It is a relatively small airport in a small town. Not to mention most if not all responders were dealing with wildfires at the time. How about we give first responders a break.
Someone needs to profile the brave young woman working LWS Ground that day. Her performance was a workshop in maintaining composure and focus through an emergency, particularly after witnessing such a horrible event. Someone pin a medal on her please. And then there's the jet's lookie-loo aircrew...
@@SayWhuuut , We have rules at work. You are not the fire department. The sprinkler system is there to dampen down the fire After sounding the evacuation alarm, help evacuate, be outside to guide the fire department to the incident location by providing incident location directions. No heroics. Heroics historically gets more people killed or injured. A piece of junk tail wheel aircraft crashed at high speed nose in to the Earth. There are never survivors from crashes like that. Don't get youself injured or killed pretending that human beings survive collisions like that.
@@davidhoffman1278 I understand 100%. I manage multiple manufacturing plants and we have the same rules in place. With that being said, if I saw someone in danger, or a situation like this, I would try to see if I could save the person. I dealt with this in the service and have had situations in real life where I did what I am saying above, so this isn't a time for "if you had actually been there". With all of that being said, your work rules are in place for a reason. The majority aren't prepared, able, or capable to handle that situation so they should not even attempt to do so.
I just wish some of those folks on the ramp would have run out. There was a window of a minute after impact before the aircraft became fully involved in flames where a couple of people with extinguishers may have been able to keep it from becoming fully involved until someone could get there to extract him. I hate to see it but if he survived the impact, he likely burned to death. 😥
I worked on the Air Crash and rescue Team at the Naval Air facility located at EL Centro, Ca. We worked with the Blue Angels when they came there for winter training. I have had to deal with more than one Military crash and one being a Blue Angel Pilot. It is always so very sad to see. Rest Easy now Sir.
Human nature is a crazy thing, some people react fast to a bad situation and act accordingly, to help, others just look with no reaction and pretty much dismiss what's going on.
@@mlsmithmlsmith Looking on passively with their hands on their heads is part of their training? I doubt the pilot survived the impact, but letting him burn like that . . . very sad, very frustrating. About 25 seconds for smoke to become visible. Nearly a minute before flames were obvious. Maybe not enough time. Still frustrating.
@@joesterling4299 - The crash site is a very dangerous place. The insults to the bystanders is wrong. They have no training and know enough to keep clear.
He failed to get the flight control lock disconnected. A lot of experienced professionals do not always bother with checklists and thinks like landing a private plane wheels up have happened as a result. ALWAYS follow a checklist and inspect thoroughly folks!
Idk what led to the delay of the ARFF Truck arriving on scene. Sounds like the ATC did a good job. What surprised me was that truck can pump and roll. They could have been spraying foam and water as they were rolling up in range. Instead they are not spraying with obvious smoke and fire, come to a complete stop and wait 22 seconds to start spraying.
I was wondering the same exact thing!! Over a 3 minute response time and then over 40 seconds to get the water cannon going when it should have been pumping onto the firey wreckage before even coming to a stop.. if the poor guy didn't die on impact he sure got burned beyond any hope of saving him.. Sad case regardless of any particular circumstances..
You can make this shit up, I was thinking same shit, stupid people in comments “ what r they suppose do” when your ass is being cooked alive it will be then they might comprehend! All I could think was wtf r they doing, spray! And should been foam retardant on liquid fire, my heart goes out to family 1 guy busted his ass to help
I am not an expert but to me either something broke or the elevator was stuck. This sounded like one of the most experienced pilots in our country. Very sad this happened to the man because he was liked by many and was respected for his knowledge and for serving our country.
Definitely could be. It appears as though he has elevator at full nose down defection so another consideration would be an extreme Aft W&B that was unnoticed. Rest in peace. Very sad.
@@galenhayek Far rear CG, could be a real possibility, shifting load, and blocking the linkage to the elevator one reason. On a tricycle gear small airplane, it is easy to detect a severe out of envelope condition on the preflight inspection, by pushing down the horizontal stabilizer. Obviously, on a taildragger it is not as easy because lifting the horizontal stabilizer is hard already with the proper CG location. The SIAI Marchetti is a turbine powered adaptation of the rather heavy Cessna Bird Dog. But the takeof procedure is the same: Lift the tail with the elevator to get the rudder into the airstream for lateral control, when the tail responds normally, you know that your CG is not out of the envelope, other wise you must cut power to investigate a possible rear shift of unsecured load due to the acceleration. Essential when taking off in a DC 3. STOL technique could be different.
@@hposnansky4222 But why would he load much camping gear in the Marchetti when his wife drove their car to the cabin after they flew in the Aerostar from Driggs that morning?
@@citybright8925 Sorry I did not know that. The one unusual take off procedure is the lack of lifting the tail off . It is the last opportunity to detect an uncontrollable out of envelope rear CG condition.
I witnessed an accident exactly like this except it was a Cessna 180. A student pilot and instructor started their takeoff when the students seat rolled backwards resulting in the plane coming off the runway early and the nose going almost vertical about one wing span above the runway. It then fell off on its left wing and pivoted into the ground. Both the student and instructor got out before it caught fire with both sustaining moderate injuries.
@@Swordfish393 control lock isn’t the culprit. Can’t taxi a tail wheel with a control lock on the elevator. Also, he would have noticed when he wiped the controls (a habit he had after 5,000 hours in the tomcat...not something that just goes away)
@@vascodx military pilots, even more so naval aviators wipe the controls just before takeoff. It’s something he had to do his entire career. I can’t see him now as a civilian pilot not doing it.
@@Thesuperapp98 Small airports the station is not a maned station. It is the job of other employee to drop what they are doing (After they are made aware that they are needed)and get to the trucks, open the bay and start the truck ...then drive to the accident
As an EMT. I am almost 100% sure the pilot didn't suffer. That impact was hard and instant. In some of the one's we responded too, that didn't catch fire, body recovery was gruesome. We had to use bags for all the fleshy parts we could find.
Due to the post crash fire it may not be possible to ever determine what happened. I know the SM-1019B is an Italian version of the Cessna L-19/O-1 Bird Dog and while I'm not certain about that specific model most all Cessnas have had a long known issue with the seat rails and specifically the stop pins that secure them in the position you adjust it to. There have been other Cessna crashes caused by the pilot's seat sliding full back on takeoff and subsequent loss of control. This aircraft has tandem seats so if the pilot's seat were to come off the rails it would push the rear control stick full nose up and there wouldn't be anything you could do about it in those few seconds. RIP Snort
@@ellowawa if he was able to push his transmit button was he not in control of the yoke? This makes me think the elevator was jammed or broken rather than the seat going back.
@@ellowawa AT that time the plane has stalled. This is not the time to input aileron because that can create either a spin or a reverse aileron effect, or both at the same time
In 1935, when the Boeing B-17 (then called Model 299) performed its second evaluation flight to determine its acceptance by the military, it took off, entered a vertical climb and came crashing back to earth killing its two pilots. Cause of the crash? Gust locks not removed. No one on board, neither the expert pilots, flight engineer nor anyone else remembered to check that the controls were free. Can happen to anyone, regardless of their level of experience. This crash resulted in the use of the checklist. Fate is the hunter.
Really sad ending for a great aviator. The emergency crew response time seems slow, but in all likelyhood, he probably was gone immediately upon impact.
@@dalestephan6777 I was actually surprised they had an ARFF truck at that airport in the first place. But it is a commercial use field so it makes sense to have it there, doesn't make sense to not know how to get it there in a timely manner or start spraying fast.. This should be shown at all ARFF training across the world .... Put your playstation controller and subway sandwich down and go help at the crash site now!!. And as an aside if you do work at an airfield like this , spring for a fire extinguisher to keep in your car or in the hanger or someplace for a nearby crash incident in the unlikely event you'll need it for a friend or fellow pilot.. You'll most certainly beat the fire truck to the scene..
Can only speculate, but it looked very much like the elevator gust locks were not removed before flight. As I said complete speculation on my part. Tragic loss of a decorated Naval Aviator, who survived many harrowing missions. RIP Sir.
That’s a very good speculation. The flight controls never move. Even during impact there is no elevator or aileron deflection. Seems very unlikely unless the gust lock was installed. That’s why I always use a checklist, always.
Slow response time by the fire crew... Pilot was undoubtedly killed on impact; however, it's tough to see how slow things played out after the crash. Also tough to see people stand around and just watch. I would have run over to see if there was anything I could do. RIP Dale
its actually a well researched psychological position. Also saying you will and actually doing are very different things. Easy to talk , less to actually take action in the moment.
@@hdmartyh Yeah but if I were there, at the least I would have grabbed a fire extinguisher and ran over there and see if I could at least try to put the fire out to give the pilot a fighting chance if he happened to survive....not stand around and be a spectator and carry on with my work like the flight attendant and pilots of that commuter jet that was being readied and the other people in yellow hi-vis ....just standing around and not doing a damn thing. Maybe someone should have shouted to them...hey that's your father, mother or child or even your dog is in that plane. Then you'll see them running toward it frantically. Human behavior is very strange and selfish sometimes.
@@MegaSunspark so you Weren't there, stop backseating, shit like this causes people to lose reason unless they are trained for it, we all think "if i was there", but the matter of fact stands, you weren't, seeing something like this causes a sensory overload in a person's head, and essentially freezes them, they have no clue what to do, they are unprepared and untrained, remember, you saw the video title, you knew there was going to be a crash, and most importantly, it was on a screen, of course you can say that now, but if a plane crashes in front of you, you will most likely just be in awe, as most of them were. as Marty said, its Easy to talk, but incredibly hard to act.
There is a very big one, with wheels, standing in frame just of the side of the building. Near that white cart. It annoyed me no one used it. You never know what good it might have doen.
Fire extinguishers are usually near where planes startup, not near the runway. And they're big and heavy so not really something you can pickup and sprint a few hundred yards with.
I don't understand why no one runs over there immediately to try and help and pull him to safety. They all just stand there and stare. Not trying to be critical, and maybe I am missing something. I wasn't there and obviously don't understand the full scope of the situation.
This was my brother's friend and fellow instructor at Top Gun. So so sad. He went doing what he loved. He was the best pilot ever Rest! Rest in peace Dale.💔
Also, according to FlightAware, the plane had not been flown in the 24 days prior to the accident. He flew his Aerostar N889AC from Driggs that morning to pick up the Marchetti - per his wife’s Facebook and confirmed on FlightAware.
As an retired air force fire fighter ,I can state that the fire crew at this airport were slow to respond. Even their approach to knocking down the fire was painfully slow. A review of their abilities is definitely needed.
How tragic, if it’s a seat thing this recently happened to my instructor as I was powering down the runway. Her seat shifted but luckily I was on controls and thankfully it only shifted back one notch. This pilot knew instantly that he was not walking away from this as soon as the wing stalled. RiP sir and thoughts and prayers to your loved ones
I had that happen as a student in a Cessna 150 in level flight. The instructor had to take control as the seat slid back a few inches with myself and the yoke. It was terrifying
Respect and condolence from China. He is very famous in China too. ( F14 and the pilots of it are very popular) . So sad he spent thousands of hours on monsters like the tomcat, and died in a small, propreller plane. similar to Uri Garagin, who survived the space, but died in a mig 15 :(. RIP
Unlikely here, as he was still able to push the PTT on the stick to transmit his last words, which would have been impossible if his seat rolled full aft.
@@billallen4793 When there is an incident such as this, the airport is closed. The emergency personnel are already occupied, and are unavailable for any other response.
Here's a great American Hero who entered the Navy at the right time, he was already a varsity swimmer/surfer. His dad had a surf shop our on long island. He came up at the right time with his dad already working for Grumman as a test pilot. He goes to college on a ROTC then enlists into flight school and then is one of only 2 ensigns to every get the F-14 straight out of flight school and successfully land and takeoff and to top off it all off he had straight out of central casting handsome good looks, looking surfer looks....Dale lived the dream he was a man among men. 3 years later and still hits hard and it sucks. RIP snort🙏
Just the fact the pilot got on the radio and yelled, he knew he was in trouble probably the moment it lifted off. As other commenters have said I would suspect an abbreviated pre takeoff checkist and controls locked for outside parking possibly by rear seat belt (my 2 cents). Kudos to the guy that ran up to try to pull or assist pilot but... to late and that fire was "hot"! Notice the ground personnel blond girl take a look at the dust cloud and then pretend " I didn't see that", airline training at its finest.
That “blond girl” looks a LOT like a Flight Attendant. Guarantee she wouldn’t know what to do in this situation. Not criticizing; just that many FA’s I’ve known & worked with over the years know little or nothing about GA aircraft (or their operations) let alone 121 aircraft. They know the cabin…but not the aircraft. Whole different type of training. Now the flight deck crew; that’s a whole other story…
What do you expect the “blonde” stewardess to do? Grab a fire extinguisher, run a few hundred feet across concrete and gravel in her high heels and skirt, put out the fire, and pull a 200lb entrapped dead person out of a burning aircraft, with toxic smoke and vapor? Did you expect the ground crew to do the same? That pilot was dead on impact.
Unfortunately no handheld fire extinguishers. I doubt he survived that impact though. Hopefully we can learn something from this tragedy. God bless his soul.
There was a large wheeled extinguisher right there next to the building. Somebody should have had that rolling across the ramp 15 seconds after the impact instead of standing around gawking.
well, if he survived the impact.. the 5 minutes it took for the fire truck to arrive, and the bunch of people who just looked without running to help, ensured he did not.
@@ehpa9047 well I should say I've seen impacts like that be survivable in different airplanes. If it hadn't been in that nose down attitude at impact maybe it would have been.
Small mistakes will kill you when flying. The elevators MUST have been locked. I always speak my checks OUT LOUD to increase the chance I do them. Touch the elevators/ailerons. Run hand down prop. Look for oil leakage; safety wires intact. My condolences to this man's family. US Navy pilots the BEST in the World. CAVU skies to Dale and all aviators.
@@jasonbowen8106 That was my first thought.. He was an amazing and experienced pilot, but if a seat were to slide back or the back break and he all of a sudden finds his head horizontal, that's not going to end well. This was very hard to watch - I'll be interested to see the final reports.
Yeah, there was something wrong with the aircraft. It may stem down to an experienced pilot not doing a proper pre-flight and not using the checklist for the plane. Either the gust lock was in, the rear stick got jammed with his camping gear, the trim was set full for landing and not reset for takeoff (this wasn't his plane), the trim switch somehow was wired inverted or the trim malfunction and had a trim runaway (for which there is an override on the stick).
@@chadcoady9025 first thing I thought, gust lock. So sad, so brutal to watch. Sorry for his family and friends, I saw a friend crash this way years ago, haunts me ot this day.
@@johnkeith2450 A preliminary investigation of this accident suggests his camping gear may have become jammed in the way of the rear seat control stick. They suspect this, since the gust lock had been removed as required before flight. If this turns out to be the case, then it's just another case of human error.
A truly sad lesson that even the most skilled and careful pilot can make a fatal error, in this case failing to disengage the control surface wind lock. RIP
@@benghazi4216 Perhaps but this isn't an aircraft that broke up in midair, it impacted the ground at an angle and speed that is not compatible with survival, period.
Funny how a guy running, can beat the firemen on a truck! They must have been polishing the firetruck, working out, watching TV, or shopping at the grocery store! Only one doing an EXCELLENT job, was tower.Tower. RIP Mr. Snodgrass, and condolences to his family!! He was a great patriot!
This was a tragic event. But do some research on the airfield, FAA standards pertaining to fire and rescue, and look at the airport diagram before you start shitting on firefighters. Freaking Monday morning quarterbacks here. I bet you couldn't even do the job of a firefighter.
@@badboy10350 Have you looked at the specific staion placement for that particular airport? I'm just trying to get a better viewpoint here. Do you work at that airport? Is there something there that can be improved site specific?
Watching this unfold, my first thought was how well and professional the ATC handled this tragedy! Job well done! Thoughts and prayers to the victims family!!
Just an observation from the video crash sequence, one can see a none standard three point lift off departure off from the runway not followed by any nose lowering to allow for speed build up as can be observed by the lack off any horizontal control surface ( ie elevator ) movement. Furthermore you see no elevator movement throughout the stall turn sequence and it even remains in a stationary neutral position in the wreckage. We’ve all seen this before whereby pilots of all caliber have failed to check for gust lock removal and control movement checks before takeoffs.
As I posted earlier, it could NOT have been the control lock! The control lock on this airplane also locks the brakes and rudders - he could not have taxied the airplane with the lock in place!
@@markgrissom5828 why couldn’t it be a non standard lock for this plane? How do you explain the lack of control surface movement? Not being critical just curious, watched another video and it seems like a pretty good guess as far as that goes.
@@markgrissom5828 Duly noted. After watching another video on the lock system… so true but something prevented control movements or the pilot could even had a medical issue.
You could hear the controller giving vehicles clearence to cross taxiways and runways. Aviation is very regulated, you are not allowed to run or drive over aircraft movement areas without permission, even in an emergency. You have to stand back and let the rescue people do their jobs.
People like you are what is really amazing. What were they supposed to do? Were they supposed to run across the runways and taxiways to this crashed and wrecked plane with the full fuel tanks that would get on fire at any second? Yes, this is what is really needed at the crash scene - a dozen of random people without any special equipment and knowledge of what to do. A couple of brave guys at 2:30 tried to find a way to get the pilot out but they quickly realized that they would just burn too. Panic only makes a situation worse.
It's a sad situation for the ATC lady, but she handled the situation excellent, but I can't say the same for the fire Appliances driver, he or she operating skills are not up to standard, reaction time for Foam Application is ridiculously poor. I operated a similar Appliance by Oshkosh for 18 years out of 20 as a fire officer , but I hope that they recognize that ATC lady for a job well done .. That job is no fun in such times as that...
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Without commenting on this ARFF response specifically, I want to correct a common misconception. Many people believe that 14 CFR § 139 requires that ARFF apparatus arrive at the scene of an aircraft accident within three minutes. It does not. Response time requirements only apply to simulated responses requested by the FAA. The only requirement for actual emergencies is that ARFF must respond.
[Edited to add: even the “must respond” requirement only exists “during periods of air carrier operations.” This fits with some of the comments below stating that ARFF at Lewiston is staffed on-site 15 minutes before and 15 minutes after commercial arrivals and departures, with an implicit “but not staffed on-site at all times that the airport is open.”]
See 14 CFR § 139.319(h)(1)(i) and (ii):
(h) Response requirements:
(1) With the aircraft rescue and firefighting equipment required under this part and the number of trained personnel that will assure an effective operation, each certificate holder must:
*(i) Respond to each emergency* during periods of air carrier operations; and
*(ii) When requested by the Administrator,* demonstrate compliance with the response requirements specified in this section.
(2) The *response required by paragraph (h)(1)(ii) of this section* must achieve the following performance criteria:
(i) Within 3 minutes from the time of the alarm, at least one required aircraft rescue and firefighting vehicle must reach the midpoint of the farthest runway serving air carrier aircraft from its assigned post or reach any other specified point of comparable distance on the movement area that is available to air carriers, and begin application of extinguishing agent.
(ii) Within 4 minutes from the time of alarm, all other required vehicles must reach the point specified in paragraph (h)(2)(i) of this section from their assigned posts and begin application of an extinguishing agent.
The "response required by paragraph (h)(1)(ii) of this section" that needs to meet timing criteria is a simulated timed response requested by the FAA. Nothing else.
I have contacted the FAA just to double-check, but I'm pretty sure about this.
UPDATE: Confirmed by the FAA.
He was probably a goner on the impact. Or maybe just critically injured, then consumed in the fire. But I wonder why none of the crew in the foreground had bothered to hustle over there with a fire extinguisher? It might have made a slight difference, consider the slow response by the airport fire services, taking almost 6 minutes to lay water on the plane.
Well it’s reassuring that simulated crash victims stand a good chance of rescue. SMH.
@@4seeableTV Good intentions are not a substitute for training and PPE. Untrained people in street clothing should not run up to a burning airplane if they want to stay alive and be helpful. Even if they have a fire extinguisher. It's not an easy thing to accept, but it's reality.
Related, I think it's hard to appreciate scale in this video.
@@WhatYouHaventSeen I understand that. And yes, the plane was further way than it looked, and those that *did* approach the plane seemed to know it was already too late. They went from being fast on their feet to just standing around. But still, the airplane crew in the foreground could've feigned a *little* concern.
@@4seeableTV People often react to tragedy in surprising ways. That's part of the reason untrained people shouldn't run toward disaster scenes.
I’ve flown into Lewiston and talked to this ATC. She’s very professional and a wonderful, skilled controller. So sad she had to witness this tragedy, but she handled it perfectly.
She did indeed and so noticeable her duress and sadness in her voice. Heartbreaking.
why was the field not closed !
@@hotttt28 planes don’t levitate just because someone died. In fact, you can kill more people by just stopping all control and letting each plane figure out how to find ground without running out of gas.
Yes I used to fly a lot there, this controller is wonderful.
@@renatodep thank you!
Heart goes out to the man who sprinted to be the first on the scene... Helpless due to flames, nothing he could do.
I can’t imagine the horror of that scene. 😞
Maybe the pilot body is not in one piece as he saw it. No need to burn oneself as he stand back with disbelief of what he saw.
The pilot's body was probably just smashed into mush as soon as he hit.
@@treyn8070 That is not at all, even a partially realistic assessment.
@@maxsmith695 well I thought maybe that was a better way of saying his body was probably mangled and burnt to the point of being unrecognizable but ok have it your way. His body much like the plane he was in was smashed and burnt to $hit.
As an airline pilot for a major US carrier, I've talked to my fair share of controllers, including (of course) those at *extremely* busy airports. This controller is right up there at the top of the best in the business.
This is a controller that could handle anything at any large airport, but chose sanity.
Thank you!
@@user-qr8ki8ue4i don’t you worry I’m working my way up haha
@@morganzubeck411 are you the controller that we hear in this video?? If so then I hate that you had to witness such an accident, but you are amazing at your job!
Thank you for saying this, as a complete amateur that only follow sim ATC and stuff, but have /some/ experience in handling a crisis (not sim related) this is what I thought as well. I hope this event didn't take too much a toll on her.
Wish I hadn’t watched, but I had to know. Breaks my heart knowing him, like so many others. Lucky enough to have shared time with his smile and he was a rascal at times. Bigger than life and lived it well and the wake from his loss has touched so many. It seems to be the unsuspecting moments that catch the great ones. Flying with Dale and will always be a highlight and honor in this pilots logbook. RIP you have lived a thousand lifetimes and thrilled a million more...
Like the old saying about OLD AND BOLD
@@gocanada9749 Don't see it in this incident as I notice a lack of control surface movement. I see the point, but Dale was about calculated risk as many in the profession. They are sure of the outcome prior to the maneuver or taking the risk... No Sir, this was something else that was beyond his ability to correct.
@@cw5865 Im no pilot, but it seemed like maybe a gust of wind from head-on picked him up and stalled him, nowhere near high enough for anyone to recover. All three wheels picked up at the same time and he went right up from there. I've seen video of this size aircraft being blown across the airfield and getting airborne due to a wind event. This looked very similar as far as the liftoff, climb, and stall.
@@Max_R_MaMint Hey Max, I can see how you can come to that conclusion from various videos, but I can assure you that will not be the case for several reasons other than your stall observation. That and altitude would be correct as not enough to recover and from Dale’s last transmissions he knew that too. The weather conditions were not conducive for a gust of that magnitude and the aircraft isn’t of a light sport category. It actually is one of 50 built for the Italian Army from a Cessna blueprint of a established airframe. It is a beefed up version with 400 hp Rolls-Royce Turbine C-250 series. That said, with the experience level of Dale and the extreme pull up, it would have been from the position of the control surfaces. Never good to guess at a cause as many accidents are a combinations of factors or errors each depending on the other. It is referred to as an accident chain. I had a suspicion based on where he crashed on the field and position of control surfaces in the video. But that would mean a major oversight that has been said to be unlikely cause due to the engineering of the component. So we will have to wait and see...
@@cw5865 Thanks for the reply, brother. I gather you knew him; my sincere condolences. I neither fly nor knew him, and this was really hard to watch. Hope everyone finds peace.
this is so sad :( 5000 hrs on an F-14, went through a war... just to die that way. ugh... God bless his soul!
He also flew several aircraft at airshows for years
@@Mike-01234 Guy was great; watched him fly many times. GA flying is still dangerous, though, and it has to be respected as such. That said, I don’t think there’s a lesson here other than you never know when it’s your time, so enjoy it while you’ve got it.
@@ScreaminEmu It was not his time to go,something was drastically wrong with that aeroplane..
@@gogogeedus He f'd up. Happens to the best.
@@gogogeedus He definitely was in a hurry and missed something-seat could slide back, control lock, luggage jammed stick, I doubt it was the aircraft. No matter your experience, it only takes one mistake or small oversight.
Flew with Snort in the P-51 Little Horse during the pre buy. Great guy, a great pilot, an absolutely incredible ride, and my boss bought the plane. RIP Snort. It was an honor to fly with you.
I never met him but first saw him on a video of the P&W Airshow in 1986 when he was doing the F-14 Demo. What a show, even on tape!
Dime in the slime
throw a quarter on the deck for o'l snot
As a former controller, I must say the controller in this case kept good composure, and pressed on better than might be expected. Well done.
I think it’s the best job in the world.36 years with two crashes,hijackings and hundreds of emergencies.loved it.
You can hear she is shaken a little, as anyone would be witnessing (and hearing) the abrupt final moments of someone's life. Nonetheless, her composure to get emergency responders out there ASAP was nearly perfect. That girl knows how to do the job.
30 years ATC retired. She did a very professional job in a difficult situation.
@@kingjohn1974 ditto here. no 36 years tho with the heart attack.
She clearly was aware that if coordination or clarity was lacking it could be just the first of a cascade of incidents. Great job.
What a shame that such a great Aviator forgot to take off his control lock. The report came out a couple days ago rest in peace snort
this is such an unfitting end to a great aviator. It’s like if Chuck Norris dies slipping on banana peel.
@@MrJeffcoley1 It's sad. Guy was getting older, that's the only thing I would maybe think of when I try to give it a reason in my head.
@@deetwodcs4683 Some UA-camrs have reviewed the NTSB report. The control lock is down low and unobtrusive. It's possible to taxi the airplane with it in place, but any test of the flight controls would have made it immediately apparent. Dale was in a rush, and skipped his normal meticulous preflight. The swearing we hear is no doubt him realizing too late what a dumb mistake he made.
When your a civilian again all the safety instincts are relaxed.
@@MrJeffcoley1 A big lesson for us all. You're never too “experienced” to make beginner mistakes. (like not checking the flight controls)
He survived landing his F-14 on a stormy day/night (I don't remember) where you could see the screws of the ship coming out the water and back… just sad to than die from not checking the flight controls. Therefore, I agree with the notion that he probably was furious at himself during his last seconds alive.
Kudos to the controller. She was the last earthly contact Snort had, watched the crash happen, and maintained her composure and took care of business. RIP, Sir.
Why wouldn't she maintain her composure? Not like he was her fuck buddy or anything.
Yes r.i.p. u were a pro pro. ...
@@arthurmead5341 Quite a classy comment.
She trained for it and she did her job
@@arthurmead5341 Well played....said No One. Ever
That's the best air traffic controller ever, clear, concise but not too concise, and a very nice pace
agree.
Thought the same thing as I listened.....real pro.....Capt Mike ....SAT
Yep, she really kept it together.
Thank you!
ATC can be a high stress job, if you cant stay cool under pressure its not a job for you. This Lady did a professional job as i would expect from any ATC Professional.
I feel bad for this ATCS. She is obviously devastated but is still doing her job pretty damn well.
Edit: The ATCS responded to this comment. Feel free to let her know what an amazing job she did.
Yeah she held it together damn good.
She doesn't sound devastated. She sounds like an outstanding professional doing exactly what she's trained to do.
@@viking956 He didn't say she sounded devastated, he's correctly surmising that it must have been devastating for her.
You could hear her shaking from her voice. She's literally the Last person to ever talk to this poor gentleman. RIP
She may well know who was flying that plane as well, in aviation circles Captain Snodgrass was like Superman meaning that if this can happen to him, everyone else is incredibly vulnerable. He was one hell of a pilot’s pilot.
I’m kind of surprised the tower supervisor didn’t pull her off the radio, maybe they are short staffed but usually if a mishap happens during a controller’s shift they are immediately pulled pending investigation. It also helps ensure that there aren’t subsequent accidents because of emotion or distractions.
I was ATC for 20+ years in the tower and TRACON; this controller is understandably shaken up and I give her an A+ for her handling of this accident. The pilot was a well-known F-14 Navy pilot -- RIP "Snort."
I doubt she knew who the pilot was. She sounded very composed.
He had 4800 hrs in tomcat and 1200 traps!
@@batvette She handled the matter well. Thank you for your service, MS ATC.
@neatstuff1988 How is it the ATC’s fault for the pilot failing to check the control locks?
This is a example that aviation is unforgiving of errors one fundamental as checking controls prior to takeoff was a sad day was the real life top gun
I flew with Snort several times as a RIO in VF-101 at NAS Oceana. He was the easily the most naturally talented pilot I ever flew with. His steadiness in getting back on the boat was amazing.
My condolences. I've been noticing how devastated members of the Armed Forces as well as the whole aviation community have been. It's very clear that he was both a great man and a great pilot.
Sorry for your loss! RIP
Why do you think he pulled up so hard here and caused an immediate stall? Seems uncharacteristic from what I have read of this pilot. I am not a pilot. You being RIO I am sure you could give me some insight. Thank you for your service.
@@schism8286 My guess is flight control issues and not pilot error.
He took off with the elevator locked, his screw up
This controller performed superbly. Needs to be recognized.
her paycheck...its the job.
Agreed. She held it together superbly after a shocking event.
Ok recognize them.
I heard she's single
COVID paranoid
Much respect to the pilot, and sincere condolences to the family of the deceased. A terrible tragedy.....
The only “good” thing, is he hit hard enough to at least be out, if not dead, before the fire engulfed the wreckage. As a seasoned firefighter, I’ve never been scared to die, just don’t want to burn to death.
RIP Snort.
Marc. Be careful I got my 20 in retired ten years later came down with auto immune disorder from toxic exposure and AAAF I'm dieing slowly from it already lost a leg
Yes AAAF is the modern fire fighting foam as a shipboard the Airport firefighter I swam in the stuff just about. Plus old school dummies like me only used the Scot Air packs when we had to. And in the Coast Guard of the time we used what we called leather lungs some dating as far back as WW2. They used a chemical canister that when the tab was pulled and canister inserted and breathed upon would burn but produced hot smokey oxygen that had to be cooled in two bags on your chest on either side of the canister. You breathed this smoky foul but highly consent rated Ox , you could make it threw a ships hatchways with it. Doing stuff like that and burning contaminated unusable fuels to practice on was fun then but is biting me now
Dead. Plane front end destroyed !!!!!!!!!!!!!!
He died on impact. That plane crumpled when it hit. He pulled up way to hard on his climb and instantly lost lift and stalled. RIP 😔🙏
@@treyn8070
There is a preliminary report of malfunctioning elevator trim switches in this type of aircraft that works in reverse. It's electric and when you try to trim it down it will trim it up.
This was a VERY experienced pilot and I'm positive this will ultimately be attributed to something other than pilot error.
The lady who did a great professional job as ATC communications was on top of getting everyone in and out on air and ground control frequencies and fire emergency ground and I want to say thank you for her help with arriving and departing traffic.
I am not a pilot but I was impressed with ATC calm, collected transmissions.
She had the presence of mind to think of that fire at SFO, warning the crash truck about pedestrians.
A dime in the slime!
All those carrier take off and landings, and he goes out like this. Damm.
Any aircraft can kill you, heavy, light, fast, slow, you must respect them on their own merits.
Exactly what I was thinking.
@@Syd-un1xr how old was this guy? I know Scott Cruthfield kept flying into his late 80’s and was done in when he flew right into a bad storm in a small plane, clearly a error in judgement.
A close friend and fellow airline pilot of my father’s throughout most of their careers died in an almost identical crash in a J-3 right after his retirement. It makes you wonder if some degree of complacency sets in for seasoned pilots.
@@robertsole9970 LMFAO.... its Scott Crossfield not cruthfield
Highest time F-14 pilot in history, some 5000hrs in the type. He and Cmdr. Heatly, call sign Heater, wrote the book on ACM in the Tomcat. Snodgrass was the driving force behind the development and deployment of the LANTRIN pod on the F-14D, which revolutionized its effectiveness as a strike and command aircraft.
All that time flying off carriers, fighting in the gulf war, etc, and a crash in a light plane in Lewiston Idaho was his end. A great loss.
Just a friendly FYI.....F-14B/B+ Bombcats had LANTIRN pods too, brotha.
I was an F-14 Navy AT(O-Level)....it was one of my systems & all we had were B's & B+ variants. =0]
And I agree... a really shitty way for Snort to go.... an aviation legend killed by a shit box. (Yeah, still a little pissed about it.)
I think Scott Crossfield, X-15 test pilot, went down in a 182 I seem to recall. Bob Herendeen, TWA Captain, fighter pilot and world renowned aerobatic performer went down in a 172 I think while taking some aerial photos of his property. I'm going from memory here so some details might be off. Some of the greats are lost in rather prosaic fashion.
@@jeremyhess7977 every airplane deserves respect and can kill you the guy got too cocky and payed with his life, control lock still in place or flight control full free movement checks NOT done. arrogance and aeroplanes don't mix
@@herobo123456 Absolutely. Cockiness always leads to complacency. And, in turn, leads to a disaster of one form or another.
I almost wanna cry. I mean, if this could happen to Snort Snodgrass.....
I’ve talked to this tower many times while in flight school. This lady was always super nice and patient with my awful calls. So sad to see this happen.
Why don't you find out if she's single
@@bmw_m4255 bruh
@@bmw_m4255 👍
I have 24 years ATCS and I can attest that accidents like this are gut wrenching. Normally the controller will be immediately relieved but at small facilities that might not be possible. This controller kept her cool but I could sense the strain in her voice. This looks to be a classic locked controls accident or a CG way out of limits.
Yeah, I was wondering the same thing, because a seasoned F-14 pilot wouldn't make such an elementary mistake on takeoff.
I was also thinking CG, or trim not set, myself.
Or a elevator trim gone wrong
@@flightnavigator8999 he left his control lock engaged. Unfortunate mistake.
@@SethBergile Sure looks like it. Even after it hit ground and came to rest that elevator looked in locked position. I'm wondering if this was a takeoff following a brief stop where pilot may have forgone a proper preflight checklist.
Sad day for aviation 😞
Dime in the slime
@@behindthen0thing525 - what is the world does that refer to ?
@@maxsmith695 it's an old fighter pilot saying. Dime in the slime, live to fly another time
@@maxsmith695 dime in the slime pour beer for the homies hawker 19. It's a tomcat thing
Incredibly Sad. RIP Capt. "Snort". Such an impressive aviator and a life very well lived.
Tremendous composure by this controller. I want to say what a loss of a tremendous Naval Aviator, one I grew up watching at Airshows for the better part of my early life. Easily one of the best known F-14 pilots to ever fly the aircraft. A tragic loss for all involved. This controller did a great job in a very crappy situation to be in.
RIP to a very experienced aviator and condolences to his family and many friends, and to those that witnessed this...
RIP, Snort! Legendary Aviator. He'll be missed. Fair winds, Sir. We have the watch!
RIP "Snort". Thanks for you monumental contribution to Naval Aviation and Aviation in general.
quarter on the deck to o'l snot.
Back in the 1980's, my husband was a software engineer at Grumman on Long Island (where we both grew up) and the F-14 was the plane he wrote software for the flight trainer at NAS Oceana. He was at Oceana for 2 weeks every 2 weeks for 6 years. Bill also obtained his private pilot's license and worked throughout the country for several different large aviation companies as a software engineer and finally, a software manager of 175+ engineers around the world. Despite all the military and commercial planes and their software he worked on during his 30 year career, the F-14 was his favorite plane. We saw Top Gun dozens of times in the theatre and he made me miss a college class so I could be at our local Blockbuster on the morning that Top Gun was released on VHS. I had to be at the parking lot early because he wanted me to be the first one in the door when they opened to get my copy of the movie. I can't tell you how many times we watched that movie and I know the script by heart. He critiqued that movie to anyone who would watch it with us and could tell them what was real and was fictional with such intelligence and professionalism.
Fast forward 30 years, Bill was diagnosed with stage IV malignant melanoma and the prognosis was grim. During the summer of 2011, there was an airshow at the local regional airport. Bill caught wind that Snort would be there with a performance squadron (whose name escapes me but they flew planes with a black/white/gray camo pattern) and Bill was SO excited - just like a little kid! Somehow, and I don't remember now, I got a hold of Snort and his people who were coming to this airshow. We told them who Bill was and we not only got front row seats for this show, but there was going to be an opportunity for Bill to actually meet Snort after his show performance.
The team that Snort was performing with did their part of the show and then it was coming time for the solo part of the show for Snort to perform but he didn't come back to the flight line. Then my cell phone rang and it was Snort's assistant. Apparently, in the team performance, Snort violated some ground clearance rule and was told he could not perform any longer at the show. So the assistant informed me that Snort had to meet with FAA and show officials right away and would not be able to meet with Bill as we had arranged. Bill understood but was still super disappointed. Bill passed away 5 months later.
I just found out today about Snort's crash and was deeply shocked and saddened by it. I am coming up on the 10th anniversary of Bill's passing in less than a week and all I can hope is that Bill and Snort have finally met up. Requiescat in pace, Dale "Snort" Snodgrass.
That movie sucked so bad.
It sounds like Bill really loved his work. And it sounds like you really loved him. He had a good life.
My dad worked at Grumman on the Tomcat as well. 30 years there, a true "don't make em like they used to" kind of place. It was magic for me growing up around spaceships, airplanes and the people who designed , built and flew them. The LEM his pride and joy, the the Tomcat and Hawkeye a tie. I'm sure he bumped shoulders with Snort and your husband. R.I.P to all, who are no doubt talking about planes this very second.
@@craigpennington1251 So did your Mother... but we're not here to talk about that either.
@@craigpennington1251 I feel sorry for anyone who is so miserable or lost or mean spirited that they feel the insatiable need to inject negativity and hurt into an area they don't belong. Good people of the world survive and thrive every day not because of you, but despite you. I pity you and pray for you.
I have seen a lot of fatalities…. This one is so hard to see knowing who is at the controls. The most prolific Tomcat Driver ever. R. I. P. “SNORT”. WE HAVE THE WATCH.
OMG was that him? Ok.
I was wondering if it was Snort..... So sad, so devastating. Can go through a career as the highest tomcat driver ever and get taken out in a freak accident 😔 Everyone will want answers! R.I.P Snort, an amazing guy who had an amazing career! See you on the other side 😔
...used to fly F4U Corsairs at airshows and warbird displays, also..skilled and very aerobatic in the F4U...
Does anyone know what happened that causes the pitch up like that?
@@tormentorxl2732 not at the moment. NTSB is on it. No speculations
My uncle Bob Reinauer was a navy fighter pilot who also died in a similar manner in a restored antique Airmaster at 59 years old before just before he was to retire from the airlines in 2006. Great man, great pilot. They may have even known each other. It was a horrible tragedy that none of us wanted. I know if you’d have told him that flying those things was dangerous, he’d have smiled and said, “Yeah, everything’s dangerous, but this is what I love, and when God calls me, it’s my time.” I flew in the Navy and am an airline pilot as well because of him. In addition I fly and race hang gliders, because I absolutely love flying. Nobody wants this for themself or others. At the end of the day though, we do what we love, accept and try to mitigate the risks. God bless him, and those who morn his loss.
Well said, and condolences for your loss.
whats dangerous about it
So sorry for your loss. I hope your father's attitude about the risks were/are of some comfort to you.
Well said deepest sympathy.
"mourn"
Kind of surprised someone didn't grab that big Ansul bottle fire extinguisher at the right against the wall and run out there with it to spray down the wreck before it went ablaze. That controller has TREMENDOUS self-control, as well.
Interesting seeing the bystanders just watching fire extinguisher in one had and run over to give assistance.
Thinking the same thing!! Bloody joke people standing around. Drop everything and just go.😡
@@earlgene yeah say that when you're on a situation like that that plane was a ticking time bomb could have exploded any second
On an aircraft carrier (or any ship for that matter), everyone is a fireman and trained as such. Not so much at a civilian airport.
Yes its hard to see people not taking action that would help, but people react to emergencies in different ways. Those onlookers were probably in a but of shock, literally stunned. Although their 'sober' selves would have known what to do, some people just freeze when disaster strikes. It's not a moral or courage issue, it's millions of years of evolution; an involuntary survival reflex. I bet in the moment, those people were completely oblivious to the fire extinguisher, they will have just been transfixed on the accident.
That said it also does take a lot of courage to approach a raging inferno. Things don't explode like they do in the movies, but that will have been on the minds of people. I like to think I would have run over there if it was me, but you never know until it actually happens, and every emergency is different.
Finally, I have been in the position of being first on scene in a life threatening emergency. I had to provide first aid (to a child with serious injury/blood loss) and call the emergency services. The adrenaline got me through, but I was wiped out immediately when the professionals took over, and a bit messed up for a few days afterwards. So hat's off to thmen and women who do it every day. I have no idea how the professionals cope with the stuff they must see. Big respect to all emergency personnel.
"No! Check! Check!" I believe, that was his Navy training kicking in asking his RIO to perform a particular task possibly ejection related. We just witnessed a legend being perished. Dale 'Snort' Snodgrass could fly the F-14 Tomcat like nobody's business. Really took it to the edge and then pushed it over the limit departing controlled flight and then re-gaining control using his stick/rudder and burners. I mean, he would stand the Tomcat up at full power on its tail at zero airspeed at 120 knots with full flaps and slats with no fear of compressor stall (on the A version temperamental TF-030 engines) even disabling the mid-compression by-pass circuit breaker to gain more thrust at the risk of a stall and then whip the nose around at an astonishing 45 degree/second instantaneous rate to get nose-on to his opponent fighter to get a kill. In airshow he would whip the nose around and then start going exactly in the direction he came from. He is on record stating several times that he used to pull 9 - 10 G in the F-14 Tomcat during ACM as well as in videos of airshow demos just 50 feet over the ground and never suffered G-LOC. He got shot at during Wars by SAM missiles in Iraq. Yet, he got killed by pitching up and stalling a little civilian plane. What a heartbreak. R.I.P to the greatest Tomcat pilot who ever lived and one of the best pilots of all times. Soar high, captain. Fly Tomcats up there in formation alongside angels in heaven. "Anytime Baby!"
Was there a mechanical failure? I wouldn't think a pilot with his experience would make such a basic mistake as pulling up too much
@@acasualviewer5861 Yeah, I think there was an issue with the rear horizontal stabilizers as Snort was too good to make a mistake, but still the investigation just started
Yeah, i may be wrong, but to me the elevators seemed to be in the neutral position during the entire sequence. Must've been way aft CG for some reason.
@@cubie3835 Yeah, you must be talking about a similar scenario as the Boeing 747 freighter that crashed in Afghanistan.
@@2ZZGE100 I wonder if a broken or bent trim could do that.
As the situation becomes worse with the fire, you can hear the tears in the ATC’s voice as she remains professional when she knows she is delivering commentary on a most likely tragic situation. It’s absolutely heartbreaking in all aspects.
Yeah, poor girl. Even when it’s clearly and obviously not their fault, the controllers subconsciously hold themselves somewhat responsible.
She was undoubtedly traumatized.
Huge respect for her professional attitude and composure.
Blm was required
I heard no tears 😭
You're hearing thing that aren't there, not crazy are you?
I was not able to pick that up in her voice
Thanks for showing the fully unedited clip!
Hats off to the professionalism of the controller.
People,
let's get real. Snodgrass was a Top Gun F-14 guy. I only have 66 hours in Cessnas & Pipers.
How does a pilot of his caliber forget "CONTROLS FREE & CORRECT"? This was a control lock
left in place. ☹️
When I first became a pilot. The old timer who was my instructor, said something that's stuck with me ever since. He said "New guys make mistakes, sure. But they don't know better. The only other peolle who make remotely close to as many mistakes, are the best of the best. The super experienced guys who everyone looks up to." He went on to explain something along the lines of the fact that They've done it so many times, it becomes like second nature to them. Pre-flights, standard procedures, etc. They can practically do them in their sleep. Which leads to complacency. Even the best of the best can make a mistake once in a while. And in aviation, one mistake is all it takes to kill you, and possibly a bunch of other people. You may be a professional airline pilot with 35k hours who owns a little Citabria or something on the side for some weekend fun flying or whatever.. But you gotta do that checklist like a new guy EVERY TIME FOREVER. Because aviation is a ton of fun, but it's also incredibly unforgiving and tends to not give second chances.
maybe normally he has a crew to do this for him???
Well done for those who reacted right away and tried to do something as opposed to just keep doing what they were doing.
If only there was a bright red cart labeled FIRE with several large capacity extinguishers within 20 yards of a dozen witnesses. That definitely would have been a lucky thing...
Apparently you did not see the aircraft disintegrate on impact. Having the rubble burn was of little consequence.
The lens on the surveillance camera is tricky. Very wide angle. The distance to the crash is right at 750 feet based on a Google Earth measurement. By hand you probably couldn't pull that cart that far faster than the fire truck arrived. Hooking the cart up to a tug or the like adds a whole other dimensional problem to the equation. It all seems easy until you are there and have to do it yourself. Good idea, hard to implement.
Actually there should have been firefighting equipment around that jet. But still don’t think that would have made much of a difference.🤷♂️
There were extinguishers on the ramp. It would have taken a person less than a minute to sprint to the crash and get some retardant on the cockpit. The pilot likely was killed on impact, but at least try and do something.
@@Cmoredebris What cockpit? Watch it in slow mo.
Bless those people who just ran up trying to help.
Those white shirts on the corporate jet didn`t help. How can you just stand there and gawk? Do something.
@@REDMAN298
Airplane in the foreground is a SkyWest regional jet. That’s an airline crew.
@@53C52 And I can guarantee you THEY had an extinguisher ON the plane, plus plenty in the hangar. And yet NONE of them so much as bothered.
@@4seeableTV probably because that extinguisher is exclusive on that plane, should there be also an accident on that plane etoo what are they going to use then?
@@chryssemansmilanes7304 Um, they would get another one right there where they were. They're not exactly hard to come by.
I read a post from someone purporting to be a friend of Dales. He said he was disgusted that this video was put up on youtube. Watching this video could save a life. I read NTSB reports and watch crash videos so that I don’t repeat these mistakes. I’m sure Dale would want this video posted too.
He lost his life , but probably saved few others , just by people watching the video … I know I’ll be looking for damn control lock from now on every time I’m in the plane
His spouse has also been pushing as many people as she can to flag the video via the Naval Aviation Museum. I understand her pain and as she put it, "the final seconds of my husbands life." But...I think you're right also.
@@jamiegumm4398 That is incredible. Good to know.
@@damirzanne He was a wartime pilot in Iraq in 1991.
Yes, there are some here who keep posting this needs to be removed. Glad to see Freedom of Speech has WON.
FREEDOM !!!!!!!!!!
I live in the area and have flown out/in to this airport. It is a relatively small airport in a small town. Not to mention most if not all responders were dealing with wildfires at the time. How about we give first responders a break.
does the volunteer fire brigade take care of the airport?
Give them a break when they failed at their job. Why?
There is airport fire services, that's not an excuse, I can agree they're getting a bit too much flak, but they took far too long
Less than four minutes from the impact is not too slow at all. It's easy to criticise when you have no idea what the job involves
No.
Do your job or quit.
This was criminal.
Someone needs to profile the brave young woman working LWS Ground that day. Her performance was a workshop in maintaining composure and focus through an emergency, particularly after witnessing such a horrible event. Someone pin a medal on her please. And then there's the jet's lookie-loo aircrew...
Is that the one drinking coffee?
What were the pilots of the jetliner supposed to do with no firefighting PPE, firefighting gear, or rescue equipment?
@@davidhoffman1278 ummm... try to help vs. just do nothing at all??
Sadly, so many people just looked vs. trying to do something.
@@SayWhuuut ,
We have rules at work. You are not the fire department. The sprinkler system is there to dampen down the fire After sounding the evacuation alarm, help evacuate, be outside to guide the fire department to the incident location by providing incident location directions. No heroics. Heroics historically gets more people killed or injured.
A piece of junk tail wheel aircraft crashed at high speed nose in to the Earth. There are never survivors from crashes like that. Don't get youself injured or killed pretending that human beings survive collisions like that.
@@davidhoffman1278 I understand 100%. I manage multiple manufacturing plants and we have the same rules in place.
With that being said, if I saw someone in danger, or a situation like this, I would try to see if I could save the person.
I dealt with this in the service and have had situations in real life where I did what I am saying above, so this isn't a time for "if you had actually been there".
With all of that being said, your work rules are in place for a reason. The majority aren't prepared, able, or capable to handle that situation so they should not even attempt to do so.
Kudos to ATC on an excellent job done under very stressful circumstances...
I just wish some of those folks on the ramp would have run out. There was a window of a minute after impact before the aircraft became fully involved in flames where a couple of people with extinguishers may have been able to keep it from becoming fully involved until someone could get there to extract him. I hate to see it but if he survived the impact, he likely burned to death. 😥
Quarter on the deck for o'l Snort!
Tremendous loss, rest in peace Captain.
RIP Snort. This is truly sad. 😞
My condolences to his family and many friends. He was a hero and, by all accounts, a wonderful human being.
I worked on the Air Crash and rescue Team at the Naval Air facility located at EL Centro, Ca. We worked with the Blue Angels when they came there for winter training. I have had to deal with more than one Military crash and one being a Blue Angel Pilot. It is always so very sad to see. Rest Easy now Sir.
Quarter on the deck for ol' snort!
Human nature is a crazy thing, some people react fast to a bad situation and act accordingly, to help, others just look with no reaction and pretty much dismiss what's going on.
You overlooked another category, the people who react fast and become part of the problem
They followed their training.
@@mlsmithmlsmith Looking on passively with their hands on their heads is part of their training? I doubt the pilot survived the impact, but letting him burn like that . . . very sad, very frustrating. About 25 seconds for smoke to become visible. Nearly a minute before flames were obvious. Maybe not enough time. Still frustrating.
@@joesterling4299 - The crash site is a very dangerous place. The insults to the bystanders is wrong. They have no training and know enough to keep clear.
@@jerseyshoredroneservices225 Excellent point. They will probably just get in the way from the professional fire fighters to do their jobs.
He failed to get the flight control lock disconnected. A lot of experienced professionals do not always bother with checklists and thinks like landing a private plane wheels up have happened as a result. ALWAYS follow a checklist and inspect thoroughly folks!
RIP Mr. Snodgrass. Truly a legend. His contributions to the aviation world will never be forgotten. Deepest condolences to his family.
If ever I have seen anything to give you chills then this is it. RIP Sir
Idk what led to the delay of the ARFF Truck arriving on scene. Sounds like the ATC did a good job. What surprised me was that truck can pump and roll. They could have been spraying foam and water as they were rolling up in range. Instead they are not spraying with obvious smoke and fire, come to a complete stop and wait 22 seconds to start spraying.
I was wondering the same exact thing!! Over a 3 minute response time and then over 40 seconds to get the water cannon going when it should have been pumping onto the firey wreckage before even coming to a stop.. if the poor guy didn't die on impact he sure got burned beyond any hope of saving him.. Sad case regardless of any particular circumstances..
I noticed the lack of fire fighting also.
They were too busy polishing their fire truck, lol
You can make this shit up, I was thinking same shit, stupid people in comments “ what r they suppose do” when your ass is being cooked alive it will be then they might comprehend!
All I could think was wtf r they doing, spray!
And should been foam retardant on liquid fire, my heart goes out to family 1 guy busted his ass to help
Pilot and/or others die? Looked very bad.
I am not an expert but to me either something broke or the elevator was stuck. This sounded like one of the most experienced pilots in our country. Very sad this happened to the man because he was liked by many and was respected for his knowledge and for serving our country.
Definitely could be. It appears as though he has elevator at full nose down defection so another consideration would be an extreme Aft W&B that was unnoticed. Rest in peace. Very sad.
@@galenhayek
Far rear CG, could be a real possibility, shifting load, and blocking the linkage to the elevator one reason.
On a tricycle gear small airplane, it is easy to detect a severe out of envelope condition on the preflight inspection, by pushing down the horizontal stabilizer. Obviously,
on a taildragger it is not as easy because lifting the horizontal stabilizer is hard already with the proper CG location. The SIAI Marchetti is a turbine powered adaptation of the rather heavy Cessna Bird Dog.
But the takeof procedure is the same: Lift the tail with the elevator to get the rudder into the airstream for lateral control, when the tail responds normally, you know that your CG is not out of the envelope, other wise you must cut power to investigate a possible rear shift of unsecured load due to the acceleration. Essential when taking off in a DC 3.
STOL technique could be different.
@@hposnansky4222 But why would he load much camping gear in the Marchetti when his wife drove their car to the cabin after they flew in the Aerostar from Driggs that morning?
@@citybright8925
Sorry I did not know that. The one unusual take off procedure is the lack of lifting the tail off . It is the last opportunity to detect an uncontrollable out of envelope rear CG condition.
NTSB final is out. He didnt do a proper pre flight. Left the control locks in place. Complacency kills
Very sad situation
Especially the very delayed response from the FFighters
@@orrinsjuice1 Nope they were not delayed. They performed as trained.
Dime in the slime for ol snot
@@bmw_m4255 I think his USMC nickname was snort. He does not say what it means.
@@maxsmith695 quarter on the deck for snot
I witnessed an accident exactly like this except it was a Cessna 180. A student pilot and instructor started their takeoff when the students seat rolled backwards resulting in the plane coming off the runway early and the nose going almost vertical about one wing span above the runway. It then fell off on its left wing and pivoted into the ground. Both the student and instructor got out before it caught fire with both sustaining moderate injuries.
First thing that came to mind, the seat wasn't secure. I guess we'll see.
@@OMGWTFLOLSMH I was thinking that or control lock still in.
@@Swordfish393 control lock isn’t the culprit. Can’t taxi a tail wheel with a control lock on the elevator. Also, he would have noticed when he wiped the controls (a habit he had after 5,000 hours in the tomcat...not something that just goes away)
@@TheRealOriginalDiegoM the control may have been locked at the start of the take-off run
@@vascodx military pilots, even more so naval aviators wipe the controls just before takeoff. It’s something he had to do his entire career. I can’t see him now as a civilian pilot not doing it.
The young lady doing the ATC did a Outstanding job here. Absolutely Outstanding... Good Job...
She really did. Textbook and then some.
Thanks’
quarter on the deck for o'l snort
If this was a control lock accident, could that have been prevented by an external checklist before getting into the aircraft?
Took quite a time for Fire Engines to get to the scene of the accident
Sadly hauling hundreds of gallons of water in a big truck takes time
@@matthewrowe9903 Well I just know the rules for big airports but the trucks have to be there at any location of the runways within 120 seconds.
Yeah so much for anywhere on the field within 90 seconds. It wouldn’t have helped but still. What if the situation would have dictated otherwise.
@@Thesuperapp98 Small airports the station is not a maned station. It is the job of other employee to drop what they are doing (After they are made aware that they are needed)and get to the trucks, open the bay and start the truck ...then drive to the accident
5:13 seconds to get ground support
Actually approx 4 mins counting until they figured how spray water when arriving
My deepest condolences to the family and friends. His legacy will live on forever. 💙
She sounds like the professional she is.
A dime in the slime!
As an EMT. I am almost 100% sure the pilot didn't suffer. That impact was hard and instant. In some of the one's we responded too, that didn't catch fire, body recovery was gruesome. We had to use bags for all the fleshy parts we could find.
Solid job, you got there. When I was five, I told my parents that I wanted to pick up body parts, when I grow up. They grounded me for a year.
Why are you giving out sensitive information about a crash?
You should be fired.
@@thenorthstars2210 lol
@@thenorthstars2210 They literally didn’t.
@@thenorthstars2210 What incident? They are just mentioning previous incidents, not this one.
Due to the post crash fire it may not be possible to ever determine what happened. I know the SM-1019B is an Italian version of the Cessna L-19/O-1 Bird Dog and while I'm not certain about that specific model most all Cessnas have had a long known issue with the seat rails and specifically the stop pins that secure them in the position you adjust it to. There have been other
Cessna crashes caused by the pilot's seat sliding full back on takeoff and subsequent loss of control. This aircraft has tandem seats so if the pilot's seat were to come off the rails it would push the rear control stick full nose up and there wouldn't be anything you could do about it in those few seconds.
RIP Snort
My first thought as well. Rest In Peace.
@@ellowawa if he was able to push his transmit button was he not in control of the yoke? This makes me think the elevator was jammed or broken rather than the seat going back.
@@ellowawa AT that time the plane has stalled. This is not the time to input aileron because that can create either a spin or a reverse aileron effect, or both at the same time
I had a C172 where we installed seat rail stops because of the issue with the locking pins. It was an AD.
Tragic!
What is a fire extinguisher going to do to burning plane fuel except piss it off?
In 1935, when the Boeing B-17 (then called Model 299) performed its second evaluation flight to determine its acceptance by the military, it took off, entered a vertical climb and came crashing back to earth killing its two pilots. Cause of the crash? Gust locks not removed. No one on board, neither the expert pilots, flight engineer nor anyone else remembered to check that the controls were free. Can happen to anyone, regardless of their level of experience. This crash resulted in the use of the checklist. Fate is the hunter.
you read the book FATE IS THE HUNTER?
@@JohnDoe-nd9mv Several times, here. Keep it on my bookshelf.
Complacency kills
Quarter on the deck for o'l Snort!
Really sad ending for a great aviator. The emergency crew response time seems slow, but in all likelyhood, he probably was gone immediately upon impact.
How do you know they were a great aviator? You known the pilot personally?
@@kcook8119 He was a very well known and experienced pilot. Take a look at some of the other comments.
@@kcook8119 great reading comprehension, jerkoff
@@kcook8119 He was a world famous F-14 Demonstration pilot
@@williamhudson8755 I guess he forgot it didn't have jet thrust to do a 70° climb from take off.
That ATC has tremendous emotional fitness!
Took an absolute age for fire services to get on site.
Surprising that no one on the ground or in the white truck ran over with fire extinguishers to at least try to knock back the flames.
@@markbajek2541 really, it's like it happens everyday there. like, oh well
Thats what i was thinking.
Almost 5 minutes
@@dalestephan6777 I was actually surprised they had an ARFF truck at that airport in the first place. But it is a commercial use field so it makes sense to have it there, doesn't make sense to not know how to get it there in a timely manner or start spraying fast.. This should be shown at all ARFF training across the world .... Put your playstation controller and subway sandwich down and go help at the crash site now!!. And as an aside if you do work at an airfield like this , spring for a fire extinguisher to keep in your car or in the hanger or someplace for a nearby crash incident in the unlikely event you'll need it for a friend or fellow pilot.. You'll most certainly beat the fire truck to the scene..
Can only speculate, but it looked very much like the elevator gust locks were not removed before flight. As I said complete speculation on my part. Tragic loss of a decorated Naval Aviator, who survived many harrowing missions. RIP Sir.
I wonder if he attempted to make that frequency change as he was taking off and lost track of airspeed.
That’s a very good speculation. The flight controls never move. Even during impact there is no elevator or aileron deflection. Seems very unlikely unless the gust lock was installed. That’s why I always use a checklist, always.
@@Veteran_Aviator I always do a full 360 before boarding AND a flight control check pre-start and during run-up. ALWAYS.
@@jayzenitram9621
No
inauspicious end
There's a burning plane with a person in it and the firetruck stays on the tarmac like they where driving for chinese take away.
Exactly!!! I just said the same thing to myself!!! Like I feel like no one helped. Yet I was t there so I don’t know the facts
Thank you for the faithful and top tier service you gave this great country Snort.
Slow response time by the fire crew... Pilot was undoubtedly killed on impact; however, it's tough to see how slow things played out after the crash. Also tough to see people stand around and just watch. I would have run over to see if there was anything I could do.
RIP Dale
its actually a well researched psychological position. Also saying you will and actually doing are very different things. Easy to talk , less to actually take action in the moment.
@@hdmartyh Yeah but if I were there, at the least I would have grabbed a fire extinguisher and ran over there and see if I could at least try to put the fire out to give the pilot a fighting chance if he happened to survive....not stand around and be a spectator and carry on with my work like the flight attendant and pilots of that commuter jet that was being readied and the other people in yellow hi-vis ....just standing around and not doing a damn thing. Maybe someone should have shouted to them...hey that's your father, mother or child or even your dog is in that plane. Then you'll see them running toward it frantically. Human behavior is very strange and selfish sometimes.
@@MegaSunspark so you Weren't there, stop backseating, shit like this causes people to lose reason unless they are trained for it, we all think "if i was there", but the matter of fact stands, you weren't, seeing something like this causes a sensory overload in a person's head, and essentially freezes them, they have no clue what to do, they are unprepared and untrained, remember, you saw the video title, you knew there was going to be a crash, and most importantly, it was on a screen, of course you can say that now, but if a plane crashes in front of you, you will most likely just be in awe, as most of them were. as Marty said, its Easy to talk, but incredibly hard to act.
@justsayen c63 that’s a car. Complete different. This plane has skin not much thicker than canvas. You can clearly see the cockpit deform.
@@MegaSunspark those people are likely trained to NOT get involved in situations like this. For pretty obvious reasons.
I've used more than my share of fire extinguishers and they're useless for fuel fires. Until a sud truck arrives it's gonna burn.
You would think someone around that area would have a fire extinguisher
There is a very big one, with wheels, standing in frame just of the side of the building. Near that white cart. It annoyed me no one used it. You never know what good it might have doen.
Fire extinguishers are usually near where planes startup, not near the runway. And they're big and heavy so not really something you can pickup and sprint a few hundred yards with.
It wouldn't have made any difference. He was gone on impact.
@@JofoTubin There is a wheeld cart fire extingguisher visible on the apron. Very doable on that distance.
I don't understand why no one runs over there immediately to try and help and pull him to safety. They all just stand there and stare. Not trying to be critical, and maybe I am missing something. I wasn't there and obviously don't understand the full scope of the situation.
This was my brother's friend and fellow instructor at Top Gun. So so sad. He went doing what he loved. He was the best pilot ever Rest! Rest in peace Dale.💔
@Charles Bear equipment malfunction.
@@vclocals5536 or maintenance mechanic malfunction.
@@vclocals5536 . How long had he owned the plane? RIP Sir, and peace and condolences to the family and friends.
I dont know
Also, according to FlightAware, the plane had not been flown in the 24 days prior to the accident. He flew his Aerostar N889AC from Driggs that morning to pick up the Marchetti - per his wife’s Facebook and confirmed on FlightAware.
Very professional controller.
As an retired air force fire fighter ,I can state that the fire crew at this airport were slow to respond. Even their approach to knocking down the fire was painfully slow. A review of their abilities is definitely needed.
Teeth grinding to watch, yes.
They were too slow to respond, just too slow.
Exactly. Almost 5-minutes before the truck shows up.
What air force ?
Eireman51 thank you and well said.
How tragic, if it’s a seat thing this recently happened to my instructor as I was powering down the runway. Her seat shifted but luckily I was on controls and thankfully it only shifted back one notch.
This pilot knew instantly that he was not walking away from this as soon as the wing stalled. RiP sir and thoughts and prayers to your loved ones
My prayers to his family at time God be with his family
Seat shift. Didn't think of that
I had that happen as a student in a Cessna 150 in level flight. The instructor had to take control as the seat slid back a few inches with myself and the yoke. It was terrifying
An instrument panel was installed directly behind the seat, which prevented the seat from moving more than an inch or two.
Quarter on the deck for o'l Snort!
Respect and condolence from China. He is very famous in China too. ( F14 and the pilots of it are very popular) . So sad he spent thousands of hours on monsters like the tomcat, and died in a small, propreller plane. similar to Uri Garagin, who survived the space, but died in a mig 15 :(. RIP
I've seen a similar event where control was restored at the last second. It was due to the pilot's seat suddenly going to the rearmost position.
In the last few weeks I've seen a lot of people say this.
Wondering also if the controls were locked from the front or rear seat with elevator up.
Unlikely here, as he was still able to push the PTT on the stick to transmit his last words, which would have been impossible if his seat rolled full aft.
@@SkyWayMan90 Agreed. Fates were in a bad mood that day.
quarter on the deck for o'l snort
Nice and kind reaction from the people watching. One person didn't even flinch knowing she just saw a plane crash.
The crew of that commercial flight knows that they aren't going anywhere for a few hours...
Not on that runway...
After seeing that they may not want to go anywhere (in the air) for a few hours.
@@billallen4793 When there is an incident such as this, the airport is closed.
The emergency personnel are already occupied, and are unavailable for any other response.
I'm sure it was the least of their concerns at that very moment.
@@MrDiamondFlyer eh they didn’t seem to concerned about the other pilot….
Here's a great American Hero who entered the Navy at the right time, he was already a varsity swimmer/surfer. His dad had a surf shop our on long island. He came up at the right time with his dad already working for Grumman as a test pilot. He goes to college on a ROTC then enlists into flight school and then is one of only 2 ensigns to every get the F-14 straight out of flight school and successfully land and takeoff and to top off it all off he had straight out of central casting handsome good looks, looking surfer looks....Dale lived the dream he was a man among men. 3 years later and still hits hard and it sucks. RIP snort🙏
That tail drops really quick as he is climbing out, you wonder if something has come loose and changes the CG dramatically
That's what I thought too. It looked like it was way tail heavy as he took off.
Quarter on the deck for o'l Snort!
Just the fact the pilot got on the radio and yelled, he knew he was in trouble probably the moment it lifted off. As other commenters have said I would suspect an abbreviated pre takeoff checkist and controls locked for outside parking possibly by rear seat belt (my 2 cents). Kudos to the guy that ran up to try to pull or assist pilot but... to late and that fire was "hot"! Notice the ground personnel blond girl take a look at the dust cloud and then pretend " I didn't see that", airline training at its finest.
100%
Or maybe an extreme aft C of G from baggage shifting on rotation, or the rear of the fuselage full of water? Something was definitely amiss.
That “blond girl” looks a LOT like a Flight Attendant. Guarantee she wouldn’t know what to do in this situation. Not criticizing; just that many FA’s I’ve known & worked with over the years know little or nothing about GA aircraft (or their operations) let alone 121 aircraft. They know the cabin…but not the aircraft. Whole different type of training. Now the flight deck crew; that’s a whole other story…
How can you even taxi up with control locks on?
This isn’t Microsoft flight sim there captain
What do you expect the “blonde” stewardess to do? Grab a fire extinguisher, run a few hundred feet across concrete and gravel in her high heels and skirt, put out the fire, and pull a 200lb entrapped dead person out of a burning aircraft, with toxic smoke and vapor? Did you expect the ground crew to do the same? That pilot was dead on impact.
Unfortunately no handheld fire extinguishers. I doubt he survived that impact though. Hopefully we can learn something from this tragedy. God bless his soul.
There was a large wheeled extinguisher right there next to the building. Somebody should have had that rolling across the ramp 15 seconds after the impact instead of standing around gawking.
Great work by the ATC here, especially the warning to make sure vehicles don't hit anyone on the ground.
A dime in the slime!
well, if he survived the impact.. the 5 minutes it took for the fire truck to arrive, and the bunch of people who just looked without running to help, ensured he did not.
Looked survivable. I'm guessing if he survived then he was unconscious.
@@devinthierault No way that impact was survivable. In a car maybe.
@@ehpa9047 well I should say I've seen impacts like that be survivable in different airplanes. If it hadn't been in that nose down attitude at impact maybe it would have been.
Yeah sorry he became one with the panel and the engine at impact. He did not survive the impact.
Wrong. Dead instantly at impact. Same as jumping from a 500’ building.
Taking off with control lock on never ends well.
Small mistakes will kill you when flying. The elevators MUST have been locked. I always speak my checks OUT LOUD to increase the chance I do them. Touch the elevators/ailerons. Run hand down prop. Look for oil leakage; safety wires intact. My condolences to this man's family. US Navy pilots the BEST in the World. CAVU skies to Dale and all aviators.
Elevators locked or seat not locked in?
Thank you for your service sir!!!! Fly Navy!!!!
You say locked is this as in a purposeful switch/safety lock or as in a faulty seized type of locked?
I understand there is an issue sometimes with the seat sliding back too
@@jasonbowen8106 That was my first thought.. He was an amazing and experienced pilot, but if a seat were to slide back or the back break and he all of a sudden finds his head horizontal, that's not going to end well. This was very hard to watch - I'll be interested to see the final reports.
How haunting he accidentally transmitted his final words...
Happens frequently. Often just a scream.
Very talented and professional ATC. Kudos !
Rest easy US Navy brother Captain Dale ( Snort ) Snodgrass , One of the best aviators in the world , You will never be forgotten sir !
I didn't know the guy, yet I mourn his loss, RIP sir
Dime in the slime
Something had to be wrong with the aircraft. Dale was one hell of a pilot watched him at many air shows, also got his autograph back in the late 90s
Yeah, there was something wrong with the aircraft. It may stem down to an experienced pilot not doing a proper pre-flight and not using the checklist for the plane. Either the gust lock was in, the rear stick got jammed with his camping gear, the trim was set full for landing and not reset for takeoff (this wasn't his plane), the trim switch somehow was wired inverted or the trim malfunction and had a trim runaway (for which there is an override on the stick).
@@chadcoady9025 first thing I thought, gust lock. So sad, so brutal to watch. Sorry for his family and friends, I saw a friend crash this way years ago, haunts me ot this day.
The airplane did just as it was directed by the pilot.
@@johnkeith2450 A preliminary investigation of this accident suggests his camping gear may have become jammed in the way of the rear seat control stick. They suspect this, since the gust lock had been removed as required before flight. If this turns out to be the case, then it's just another case of human error.
@@trevorjameson3213 gust lock was removed by the impact with the ground
A truly sad lesson that even the most skilled and careful pilot can make a fatal error, in this case failing to disengage the control surface wind lock. RIP
Props for the man that ran to help. Other ones are casually watching, while man can still be alive with fire started.
He wasn’t alive. You’re not surviving that impact.
@@fiveoboy01 Some have, strangely enough
@@benghazi4216 not with an impact angle like that from that altitude.
@@fiveoboy01 People have survived planes breaking up in mid air. Crazy things are possible.
@@benghazi4216 Perhaps but this isn't an aircraft that broke up in midair, it impacted the ground at an angle and speed that is not compatible with survival, period.
Funny how a guy running, can beat the firemen on a truck! They must have been polishing the firetruck, working out, watching TV, or shopping at the grocery store!
Only one doing an EXCELLENT job, was tower.Tower.
RIP Mr. Snodgrass, and condolences to his family!! He was a great patriot!
Less than four mins is reasonable is it not? I don't know, but that seems pretty quick to get ten tonnes of water to ground zero...
This was a tragic event. But do some research on the airfield, FAA standards pertaining to fire and rescue, and look at the airport diagram before you start shitting on firefighters. Freaking Monday morning quarterbacks here. I bet you couldn't even do the job of a firefighter.
@@James-oo1yq if your heart stops beating, survival drops by 10% for each min.
Considering they are close in proximity, that is slow.
@@Lebi-xn2ur LOL, please, I've been dealing with their laziness for almost two decades.
@@badboy10350 Have you looked at the specific staion placement for that particular airport? I'm just trying to get a better viewpoint here. Do you work at that airport? Is there something there that can be improved site specific?
Watching this unfold, my first thought was how well and professional the ATC handled this tragedy! Job well done!
Thoughts and prayers to the victims family!!
I feel very sorry for the AIRMAN and his family.
Respect from Brazil.
Just an observation from the video crash sequence, one can see a none standard three point lift off departure off from the runway not followed by any nose lowering to allow for speed build up as can be observed by the lack off any horizontal control surface ( ie elevator ) movement. Furthermore you see no elevator movement throughout the stall turn sequence and it even remains in a stationary neutral position in the wreckage. We’ve all seen this before whereby pilots of all caliber have failed to check for gust lock removal and control movement checks before takeoffs.
My thoughts too. Non removal of control lock. There is a very similar incident with a carribu
As I posted earlier, it could NOT have been the control lock! The control lock on this airplane also locks the brakes and rudders - he could not have taxied the airplane with the lock in place!
@@markgrissom5828 Exactly.
@@markgrissom5828 why couldn’t it be a non standard lock for this plane? How do you explain the lack of control surface movement? Not being critical just curious, watched another video and it seems like a pretty good guess as far as that goes.
@@markgrissom5828
Duly noted. After watching another video on the lock system… so true but something prevented control movements or the pilot could even had a medical issue.
The people that just stand there and do nothing. Amazing.
The guy died on impact what would you have done hero?
You could hear the controller giving vehicles clearence to cross taxiways and runways. Aviation is very regulated, you are not allowed to run or drive over aircraft movement areas without permission, even in an emergency. You have to stand back and let the rescue people do their jobs.
@@ryano913 How do you know? The fire for sure killed him if he was still alive ...
People like you are what is really amazing. What were they supposed to do? Were they supposed to run across the runways and taxiways to this crashed and wrecked plane with the full fuel tanks that would get on fire at any second? Yes, this is what is really needed at the crash scene - a dozen of random people without any special equipment and knowledge of what to do. A couple of brave guys at 2:30 tried to find a way to get the pilot out but they quickly realized that they would just burn too. Panic only makes a situation worse.
Dime in the slime.
It's a sad situation for the ATC lady, but she handled the situation excellent, but I can't say the same for the fire Appliances driver, he or she operating skills are not up to standard, reaction time for Foam Application is ridiculously poor. I operated a similar Appliance by Oshkosh for 18 years out of 20 as a fire officer , but I hope that they recognize that ATC lady for a job well done .. That job is no fun in such times as that...
wouldn't have mattered. What was worth saving was already lost.