The Vietnam War Explained | Mr. Beat
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- Опубліковано 15 тра 2024
- Mr. Beat takes on the Vietnam War in this video. From the French colonial period to the Fall of Saigon, Mr. Beat explains the main points of this conflict. Mr. Terry has A LOT to add in this one!
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What made the Vietnam War so problematic?
That it was a manifest destiny oil war propagated by the U.S. for no reason, that villages were burned to the ground, that soldiers died horrible deaths
There are more, but yknow. Dead horses and whatnot
Don’t even get me started on agent orange
War is “problematic”
@@raiden961 are you serious? Are you a Vietnam war supporter, even thirty years later?
Edit: nvm I misunderstood
Thanks for adding more context, Mr. Terry. You're a phenomenal teacher.
And for those curious, I have a less censored version of the video also up on UA-cam in the description of the original video.
Yep i think most people watching this video has watched your video first sir, mr.terry doing good job timing the upload
I used to work at Chick-fil-a, and a Vietnam vet came in, I went over and paid for his food, then went back to doing my job didn’t think anything about it. A few minutes later my manager comes to me and says some guy is asking for me. It’s the veteran and he is tearing up telling me about how terrible everyone was to them. He told me how people ripped his backpack off of him and threw it in the mud, the spit on him and called him names and he was just a kid trying to serve his country. That’s part of the reason I have very little sympathy for people who disrespect our vets
You don't inherently deserve respect for being part of an occupying army. I respect the draft dodgers more because they had the moral conviction to not fight in an unjust war.
Our soliders raped, murdered, kidnapped, poisoned, and tortured their way across Vietnam with very little sympathy towards those they called g**ks and faced 0 accountability for any War Crimes committed there.
This hit close to home since i am Vietnamese (born in Vietnam). My mom side was from the north, my grandpa was a university teacher and my grandma was a manager in the tailor institute. They both were part-time militiamen during air raids. My granny was one of the militiamen AA gunner for the textile factory she work at. Many of my uncle and great uncle from both side served in the PAVN and NLF (Viet cong).
My dad side was from the south, my dad family itself was just civilian but many of their relatives was split between NLF and ARVN, after the war ended, most of the relative in the ARVN survived and moved to the states. Some returned now and i see them when i visit my dad side in the south.
I was born far after the war ended so i don't have any pure negetive opinion of the south, only respect for the soldier who fought for what they believe in (or was force to fight). I myself joined the army due to their being position that was well-paid and in a field that im good at. A long time have passed since then, war of a bygone era no longer matter, it time we focus on rebuilding and furthuring our nation. We may never forget the soldier that fallen for us to have the peace we have today.
My father & I took my Vietnam War veteran grandfather to Washington D.C. several years ago for the 1st time for him to see The Vietnam War Memorial Wall. He was drafted in the late 1960s & he got injured by shrapnel from a land mine (in addition to getting shot), so he got sent home & received a Purple Heart. However, 6 of his buddies didn't make it back home, so before the trip he made a list of all of their names & where they were located on The Wall. As he found each on the wall, he got very emotional knowing that he managed to come home (though injured), get married, have 3 sons, & live another 50 years, but 6 of his friends didn't.
Man, I got emotional reading that... I thank your grandfather for his service.
I was born and raised in Vietnam, and growing up, we learned a lot about the war. However, our curriculum mostly centers around maths and literature, so I and a lot of my friends never got the chance to fully learn about all the details.
It was only when I started watching UA-cam that I learned more about my own country's history, albeit with certain biases.
So thank you Mr. Terry and Mr. Beat for this video, I had a blast listening to it during lunch.
21:48 I remember seeing a video of a monk committing self-immolation as a protest toward Ngo Dinh Diem's regime on UA-cam.
Mr. Beat's analysis and your commentary did a great job of demonstrating the ripple effect of the Truman Doctrine.
I definitely appreciate that many rare historical truths and facts are being spoken in this video, including by Mr. Terry, & I add that "I (also;,) love the smell of napalm in the morning!"
It was so worth it, because in 2023 I was able to go to Vietnam on a college semester abroad and come back wearing some Ho Chi Minh sandals and being incredibly white while doing it
this is just my own theory: i've heard that they were pretty forgiving about everything...so that would have happened anyway
I didn't realize his actual name was Beat
23:10 Madame Nhu was actually the wife of Diem's brother, Ngô Đình Nhu. She is still remembered today in Vietnam because of how stylish she was.
So... essentially Marie Antoinette
Madame Nhu's famous quote was 'next time they have a barbecue, I'll bring the matches and gasoline' which earned her the nickname 'Miss Buddhist Barbecue. She also said the lesser known quote 'let them burn and we shall clap our hands'
Estimated deaths in Cambodia are estimated at over 250,000. It wasnt a number people were keeping track of and was mostly pushed out of the spotlight.
As I commented on his video, my pop-pop was in the army during Vietnam but never fought in the war because he had an injury he had to be honorably discharged for. He’s no longer with us, he died three years ago at 71 (I said 72 in Beat’s video, but that’s how old he would’ve been if he lived passed his birthday then.)
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Wow! My great uncle served as well. He became a fairly well known lawyer, but he struggled with PTSD for the remainder of his life
I love Ho Chi Minh! Nice video
1:15:00 Mr T, you gotta take down those Christmas decorations, but it is getting pretty close to being worth it to just leave them up I guess.
According to some now retired military that were junior staff officer's under Giap, we(US and allies) were at most 6 weeks from an unconditional surrender by the north(nva) and the VC were in total collapse, at the time that Cronkite gave his opinion on the war which led to us stopping the bombing of the North. This allowed the NVA to recover and rebuild thier forces.
Believe the show that this was from was on PBS some years ago.
5:19 I wonder if that's why Oversimplified Hannibal part 3 still hasn't come out?
I remember reading about Ho Chi Minh (who worked in Paris early 1900s) embraced Wilson's self-determination ideology at Versailles post WWI. Ho Chi Minh, while at Paris received support from the socialists and the Annam country in exile. A letter went out to members of Versailles (including Wilson), but fell on deaf ears. Fast forward to the "advisers" during JFK administration. In the afterglow of the Cuban Missile crisis, Did JFK attempt to work out a deal with Khrushchev with Vietnam? Khrushchev was not interested with NVA because they were attempting support with China while there was a Sino-Soviet rift. Khrushchev was ousted and replaced by Brezhnev, who in turn provided military aid to NVA. When LBJ became president, There were talks of a Vietnam cease-fire with Premier Kosygin. However, LBJ did not trust him or Brezhnev. You and Mr. Beat were talking about how the West and the Soviets resolved by dividing countries in half. After WWII, the Soviets wanted part of Japan, USSR did get some Islands from the Sakhalin and the part of the Kuril Islands. Even after the San Francisco Treaty, the Kuril islands are still disputed to this day between Russia and Japan.
If Twitter X has proven anything it’s that UA-cam dosent have to worry about ppl wanting to advertise next to or on any topic. UA-cam just wants to keep the money they make when they do advertise.
I still had to watch an ad on this video. UA-cam made their money. I just didn’t have to watch an ad by mr beat also.
Can you please react too “Civilization rap” by Dan bull, would love too see what you think of it. Its a rap about the different eras through history
I’m glad I went through my 18-25 phase when I did at the tail end of the war on terror. I’m too old now. They don’t want me no mo.
I hear you about the channel memberships. However, these are NOT available in all regions. So for instance, I supported UsefulCharts via Patreon. But Matt Baker has now shut down his Patreon and only uses channel memberships, meaning that I can not support him anymore. So just pointing that out.
The youtube channel "Things I Care About" has 2 fantastic videoes on the Korean War that I think you would enjoy.
Definitely on the schedule
I bet the secretary of defense would of stayed in office if his policies had succeeded.
The Daisy ad was for LBJ.
You should watch Things i care about' korean war
I often wonder how Vietnam affected the North Vietnamese. Vietnam scarred us Americans. How bad did it scar them?
My view on the draft, and really on war in general, is that it should come down to level of necessity. If a society is based on any worldview that includes shared security as the purpose of forming a society (eg. the social contract) then it doesn't make sense to ask people to martyr themselves, as that contradicts the very reason the societal structure exists. At the same time, very few if any ideals can stay pure when faced with harsh reality. If the alternative to sending men (and sometimes women) to die in the hell that is war is that same hell reaching the children (like it did in Ukraine), then sending people to die is still better.
That said, invoking the draft to invade or purely for geopolitical ambition should immediately and permanently label a politician as a warmongering villain.
Awe, thank you for the kind words. 2:07 I’m smart AND funny?! Wow! I’m doing pretty well.
The current requirements for getting into the army are more stringent than in the Vietnam Erra. After all, the Vietnam era had McNamera's Morons. Also, there are more opportunities for poor people to go to college. Therefore, i don't know how anyone can identify how the Vietnam War has affected people volunteering for service.
The only only information I have ever heard is anidotial. Speking for myself who graduated in 1988, the war didn't stop me from wanting to join. The only thing that stoped me was back surgery. The only thing that stopped my brothet was his poor score on the ASTAN.
2:00 Hold on. Once we joined the fight with combat soldiers American 🇺🇸 fightin men at that point it was no longer a proxie war.
Am I wrong?
As a non american, i had no idea about the Mccarty thing. So this happened in the 70s? and in 2020 Bernie was a heavy favourite but the party decided nah? Why aren't america making more parties if they are fucking over your voices like this?
Simonal war, Plains war, Philippines war, Vietnam and Afghanistan all have very similar outcomes. They were wars that were fought when the cost per Acre was to high.
The War looks as follows. There is an initial sucessful land grab and entrenchment. Foward momentum halts. Logistics thin out to much. You end up in an infinite defensive holding action.
Typical warfare you take land, hold it, build infrastructure so a small group can defend it, move on. This cold have been done in North Vietnam. The navy proposed taking port cities. It was deemed to expensive. Bombs were cheap other resources were not.
We had the same problem in Afghanistan where Afghanistan was landlocked our war was literally out building airports. It cost a lot to ship troops in and out of a place through enemy airspace.
this topic is very difficult for me. While I'm sort of against the war, its wrong to assume there weren't any Vietnamese that tried to resist communist oppression. I wouldn't even exist today as who I am if my parents didn't jump on boats and flee Saigon after the war.
Fun Fact: Americans were only 1.5% of the casualties
What pushed it foward was precisely what Ike warned us about...3 words Military Industrial Complex
It would have been worth it had we stayed.... just like south korea
We like to blame youtube for censoring important topics.
But think of it from the advertiser's point of view.
They want to sell their product, but are scared that if their add shows up in a controversial video it will hurt their sales.
And then who has the right to demand, "NO! YOU must give us YOUR money. It's for a good cause."
being able to share the truth in an educational way should not be dependent on how it will affect the sales of advertisers. They are making enough as it is.
Doesn't UA-cam already have demonetization or ads-off options for that? But instead of that, they will just force the content creator to unlist the video or just delete it completely. It's not a great look tbh.
@@lux2094 There should be a law that any social media platform that gets their money from ad revenue must set aside some of their profits for educational content that no advertiser would approve of but is for the common good. I think TV corportations had that.
It takes 3 lefts to make a right.
Democrats have massive anti lobyist but always get backstabbed by lobyist inside the inner party, like what's the point anymore US Democratic System is fked
if Vietnam wouldn't have been so mishandled and due to all the failures here you have to wonder what would have happened in the future
would they have drafted Americans to fight in Afghanistan/Iraq?
America didn’t lose the Vietnam war. We launched operation linebacker 2 they still didn’t wanna sign a peace treaty then we sent 60 bombers out on 1 day and before the last bomber landed back on American soil they wanted to sign a peace treaty. There that’s us winning in 1972. It’s not our fault that 3 years later they broke the treaty and invaded again. We did our job the first time. That’s like a firefighter putting out a fire, then 3 years later that same building catches on fire and everyone looks at the firefighter and goes ”why didn’t you do your job?” Like he did the first time.
What is Saigon called now? What was the goal of the USA in the war?
The Paris Peace agreement's provisions were immediately and frequently by both Vietnamese forces.
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not include Laos and Cambodian citizens it is already 3.8m, it include alliances troops such as New Zealand, Fillippino, Australian, and heavy lost to S.Korean troops
Hat down to all Alliance troops that do not mentioned because American took all the blame, those soldiers still suffer cancer these day
Political is a tool, use it how you like, it doesn't represent the whole nation, the nation was made by their people
Something I've been saying a lot as of late: "As much as I agree with the protestors and despise Biden's position, and the general Democratic party's position on this, most 'Americans' don't care unless it's happening in their 'country,' and somehow directly affects them." I hate that our choices this year are a super old guy with very out of touch global policy positions, and a civilly liable rapist/potential felon 😣
if your country has been fighting invaders for thousand of years is currently invaded by a foreign country, do you have to be threaten to help the side that trying to kick the foreign invaders that bombing your country out?
No offense, but most American UA-camrs' videos about the Vietnam War are pretty boring. I encourage you to access Vietnamese documents to find new things to avoid boredom. Initially, you should not approach the Vietnam War with English documents because the content is very fragmentary.
I think there's a really big issue with people in modern times falsely conflating what it means to win a war in the modern era. Unless you're Russia, you're not allowed to attempt to conquer other lands in the modern day. So just by that standard, any "invading" force is going to struggle to be declared a winner. For example, it's pretty universally agreed that we won the first gulf war in the early 90s and did so very quickly. That said, nothing was gained in the long term. The idea was to take out Sadam or at least cripple his ability to influence the region and in that we very clearly failed. That presidents son pulled a bait and switch a decade or so later and forced us to invade a country that we knew had nothing to do w/ the attack we suffered and their excuse for the invasion beyond that was complete and utter bs. W. Bush recently accidentally confused what he did with what Putin and Russia is currently doing in Ukraine.
For comparison, it's widely believed we lost Vietnam, but our intention on paper was to force a truce and preserve democracy in the region. Well, we did that. We lost a lot of people, but the US's kdr was insane compared to the opposition and if you plugged those numbers into a game like CoD, you'd think one side was just afk the entire time. There was actually a couple of years between when we officially pulled out, though we still had feet on the ground, and when the treaty was broken. The most recent war in Iraq and Afghanistan is defined as a loss, but the goal was to remove the figureheads and destroy their capability to strike our hemisphere and we succeeded in doing that and playing whack-a-mole with the new leaders as they popped up for more than a decade after the war should have ended. It was several years into the conflict that the media decided our goal was to prop up a new regime and bring stability to the region. Which actually ignores the fact that we benefit the least from that region being stable. We WANT chaos in the region due to oil and Iran's nukes. Oil prices start going crazy or Iran gets uppity, we have near infinite options in how to act while making it look like our we're uninvolved to the international community, but that necessitates chaos and ongoing conflict in the immediate region.
By the standard definition of war, it's impossible to "win" a war in the modern era unless you're breaking or ignoring every international treaty and setting yourself up to be completely cut off from international trade or are trying to kick off WW3. Whether you look at the numbers or look at what the actual intent was, not where the goal post got moved to by X side of the media, our only modern loss is actually what is widely considered our only modern win and all of our losses are wins.
If you listen to either Mr Terry or Mt Beat, what they claim works and what doesn't completely contradicts what they say were massive successes in the past. They literally ignore that the explosion itself in a bombing is the LEAST damaging aspect of a explosion. It's actually the concussive blast, which levels buildings and collapses tunnels and does irreversible damage to the oppositions organs and brains. They ignore that starving the enemy is the most effective way to force your enemy to the negotiation table. The reality is, you can't listen to the media when it comes to war. If you had a leader pop up that knew nothing about the media or war, within the first 72hrs they're going to realize that you MUST have the media saying one thing while you're actually doing another. Since WW1, you can't go in and just mindlessly slaughter an enemy. Even during Vietnam we could have turned the entire region to glass, but we would absolutely be destroyed for doing so by international sanctions like North Korea is today.
War itself in the modern era is a war crime. You are required to get international approval to officially wage war today. Even during WW2, approval wasn't universal. This is one reason why proxy wars are so heavily leaned on today, even after the Cold War.
Personally, my view is that no one wins in war. I think fucking with the entire world for our nations political purposes is fucking disgusting. Yet in both perspectives, I'm in the smallest of minorities. There are a whole lot of people that think we shouldn't be aiding Ukraine, yet we should be aiding Palestine. The other side believes we should be doing exactly as we are already doing. My view is we should be aiding in neither conflict beyond what we are offering in fair trade. That we should not have given trillions of dollars away. Maybe give them a discount for buying in bulk as is clearly necessary, but our economy was completely fucked before interfering and now infatuation has completely been out of control for years now. Our buying power is roughly half of what it was just a couple of years ago and these conflicts are a large reason why our economy has become so much more unstable. Our debt is out of control and one of the biggest factors is us literally giving away all this money with no expectation of repayment despite everyone expecting us to pay for the damages we caused in conflicts against enemies that attacked us first. It's insane that our politicians have decided to let more people in this country starve and become homeless so that they can achieve some political end.