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  • What if the Soviet Union never formed? What if Lenin never went back to Russia? What a mind melter! Alternate History Hub proposes an alternate future. What will Mr. Terry think?
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КОМЕНТАРІ • 104

  • @MrTerry
    @MrTerry  Місяць тому +17

    What do you think of this timeline?

    • @CrimsonIsDevious
      @CrimsonIsDevious Місяць тому +3

      It’s definitely a good idea for alternate history

    • @Longshanks1690
      @Longshanks1690 Місяць тому +1

      Unlikely, in a word.

    • @JDFrank20Diaz
      @JDFrank20Diaz Місяць тому +2

      I would go as far as 1910 to change everything and the world is better off

    • @righthandstep5
      @righthandstep5 Місяць тому

      Make no mistake. Mussolini or no Mussolini, there is no nazi Germany without communism. It's what scared italy into fascism in the first place! Communists running amok in Rome and across Europe hoping to destroy the powers that be for anarchy.

    • @nicholasfarnsworth5859
      @nicholasfarnsworth5859 Місяць тому

      Trotsky was always Linens right hand man and linens not there to give Stalin a job to begin with

  • @Idiodyssey87
    @Idiodyssey87 Місяць тому +19

    Germany in 1917: "Go start a revolution, Lenin!"
    Germany in 1945: "Well, if it isn't the consequences of my own actions!"

    • @lloydgush
      @lloydgush 20 днів тому

      To be fair, hitler hated monarchy.
      And to be extra fair, a russian monarchy would make his expansion even harder.

  • @ReinholdHMai
    @ReinholdHMai Місяць тому +42

    "Really? You think, Trotsky would emerge? Like, over Lenin?" Remember, the premise is Lenin not being there.

  • @oliversherman2414
    @oliversherman2414 Місяць тому +92

    If Russia never turned left-wing, I could probably see it turning to the extreme right instead. Something similar to Fascist Italy

    • @dominicanemperor28
      @dominicanemperor28 Місяць тому +16

      Like in Kaiserreich. Savinkov was an example, where he makes a more centralized government

    • @oliversherman2414
      @oliversherman2414 Місяць тому +7

      @@dominicanemperor28 I was thinking of Kaiserreich too

    • @balticpagan1495
      @balticpagan1495 Місяць тому +7

      just like modern day Russia

    • @oliversherman2414
      @oliversherman2414 Місяць тому +9

      @@balticpagan1495 Basically. Russia's flipped from communism to fascism in our modern day

    • @dominicanemperor28
      @dominicanemperor28 Місяць тому +13

      @@oliversherman2414 It's more of a Authoritarian mafia state or Ogliarchy more specifically

  • @michdem100
    @michdem100 Місяць тому +33

    1:00 one thing to interject here, about how radical it was.
    English as a language is virtually void of gender. Gendered language is usually just a -man suffix and just a few words, so it's super easy to not use gendered language. Slavic languages are extremely gendered. Each noun has a gender, each adjective has a gender, verbs are gendered as well sometimes (in Polish: past and present continuous conditional). Because of the revolution a huge change was imposed, to make all nouns describing jobs masculine, because "worker doesn't have a gender". Now many people resist switching back to feminative forms, because they got used to what's essentially "Madam ". Like a headmaster (I wanted to go with teacher first, but feminative of this one survived). A man would be "dyrektor" or "pan dyrektor" (Pan originally meant Lord, but now is used as a polite title). A women headmaster would be "Pani dyrektor" (Pani means Lady, same as Pan) instead of the original feminative "dyrektorka" (or "Pani Dyrektorka" if you want to be polite)
    For decades people needed to have that hammer into them, because lot's of those forms are unnatural for Polish language. Gender is just so baked into the language, that kids just naturally use faminatives, even if some of them feel unnatural (because those are exception, where feminatives didn't follow general rules). Anyway, now there's a push for bringing them back and some people are annoyed about it, others support it, because why a women should be refereed to using a masculine form and a lot of people support it because it's more natural grammar-wise.
    Plus of course some phrases, like "demoludy". Demoludy, from Demokracje Ludowe, meaning People's Democracies. Or how it impacted the society - my grandparents were all educated engineers, coming from dirt poor peasants, if not for the equalizing nature, I would be in a much worse sociological situation then I'm right now (source: cousins, who didn't went to universities)

    • @lloydgush
      @lloydgush 20 днів тому

      "Man-x" technically isn't gendered.
      Man also means person.

    • @michdem100
      @michdem100 20 днів тому

      @@lloydgush In English. Not in any slavic languages, that I'm aware of (and definitely not in Polish)

    • @lloydgush
      @lloydgush 20 днів тому

      @@michdem100 yes.

  • @dryalga4000
    @dryalga4000 Місяць тому +10

    It is speculated that Rasputin actually helped Alexei recover due to the fact that he forbade the use of Aspirin the doctors were giving him, since at the time it was not known that Aspirin prevented blood clot (was only discovered in the 1950s), which isn't really helpfull for people with anemia.

  • @andrewmaloney837
    @andrewmaloney837 Місяць тому +8

    Not strictly what if related but if anyone's interested in a serious take in what the Soviet ideology entailed I strongly recommend Schwerpunkt's relative video

  • @Merennulli
    @Merennulli Місяць тому +7

    One of the things you kept questioning was the rise of other socialist movements instead of the Soviets. I think the premise is that without nationalist sentiment having the Soviets to vilify, there would have been more room for support in other countries. There is still an effort to suppress it, but with far less fear behind that effort driving it. You would never see McCarthy gain the control he did if it was just Soviet Estonia or Soviet Bulgaria to fear.

    • @dawoifee
      @dawoifee Місяць тому +3

      Also more moderate, democratic communist Movements in Europe would stick with their methods. Lenins success showed them this could work and they adapted Leninism.

    • @board-qu9iu
      @board-qu9iu 29 днів тому

      The thing was more like Lenin and especially Stalin crushed any socialist nationalist ideas with them alienating the more moderate Soviet’s to the Whites (of course they got screwed over as well)

    • @Merennulli
      @Merennulli 29 днів тому +1

      @@board-qu9iu The part he questioned was socialist movements in other countries. In our timeline, focus on the Soviet Union shaped people's responses.

  • @Longshanks1690
    @Longshanks1690 Місяць тому +26

    Not gonna lie, compared to Cody’s other videos, this one felt very phoned in and lazy with a lot of leaps in logic and assumptions based on some pretty flimsy evidence. He gives Kolchak and the Whites far too much credit and even if they managed to overpower the Reds - honestly assuming we even get to this point without Lenin is already a huge stretch but I digress - it seems almost certain to me they would have broken down again into a Monarchist v Liberal second civil war lasting even further into the 20s, not that they would have cleaned up almost immediately, that just seems a stretch, even with his channel being about exploring implausible scenarios.
    I’m guessing it was something he did while working on other projects like Outremer he’s actually passionate about and this was just to keep him in the algorithm/to pay the bills.
    Honestly I’d have preferred to see a reaction to his Chernobyl video from a month or two ago. That was far more interesting and thought provoking, whereas I just don’t see the passion in this one I see with his other projects, cos even if I disagree with his conclusions, I respect how he got there. But with this, I just can’t see it.

    • @dsxa918
      @dsxa918 Місяць тому

      I've got the conspiracy theory that you're actually recognising how impersonal communism is, through Cody's doing the stuff he's got, on the subject that isn't that optimistic to begin with because history's been a bummer in a lot of ways

    • @ale-xsantos1078
      @ale-xsantos1078 Місяць тому +10

      I think its just that this wasnt the subject he was hoping to cover but it won the poll he set up

    • @board-qu9iu
      @board-qu9iu 29 днів тому +1

      I agreed his Airship/Ballon age video was more along his line of quality and only had the major mistake of neglecting transportion and usage in colonial warfare. Here though, I feel like he kind of spread unintentionally a lot of Russian revolutionary myths (the red terror targeted peasants as much as officers and nobles though he is right that the white terror was even worse).

  • @anathardayaldar
    @anathardayaldar Місяць тому +3

    15:23 I think that's a scene from Back To The Future III

  • @mihel1640
    @mihel1640 Місяць тому +8

    Mr terry i think you keep forgeting serfdom was abolished in 1862 and before ww1 russia was rapidly industrializing before ww1. Of course i'm not saying the bolsheviks didn't implement a lot of reforms and that life wasn't good for most people, but you seem to forget this everytime you watch videos on the russian revolution.
    edit: You did mention it, but in general i think my point stands.

  • @dominicanemperor28
    @dominicanemperor28 Місяць тому +2

    Please react to the divided Italy video!

  • @jobanh7ify
    @jobanh7ify Місяць тому +6

    Why is that tho, the American revolution doesn’t seem like a revolution at all and more of a war of independence? When I talk about the subject I often use the term revolutionary war but somehow it doesn’t feel like it.

    • @Longshanks1690
      @Longshanks1690 Місяць тому +5

      Because the term revolution changes in 1789.
      Like the British revolution of 1689, it originally meant the restoration of rights that already existed and had been taken away so all you were doing was making things the way they used to be, as the term comes from the revolution of a wheel, you’re putting things back the way they used to be before the tyrant messed everything up.
      It doesn’t come to mean a drastic or radical uprooting and reshaping of society until the French lose their collective sanity in 1789, and we’ve been stuck with that definition since.

    • @hannibal-rb3go
      @hannibal-rb3go Місяць тому +3

      Independence was a radical step as there was no previous nation to point too, the people didn't see themselves as not really being part of one nation or movement. And ultimately the most radical step, creating a republic on such a large scale, to say nothing of the your rights come from God statement.

    • @jobanh7ify
      @jobanh7ify Місяць тому

      @@Longshanks1690 yeah La Terreur was a hard pass, Robespierre went overboard with the guillotine

    • @rickydinto
      @rickydinto Місяць тому

      War of independence is if Native American revolted against the colonial establishment, meanwhile 'American' founding fathers themselves were Englishmen with a vision to change the new world into free republic, British America was as 'American' as the US but they're under colonial rule by British Empire in same fashion as Canada, Australia, etc.

  • @rellfrommiii7681
    @rellfrommiii7681 Місяць тому +2

    My dog is absolutely absorbed in this video 😂

  • @neilz.
    @neilz. Місяць тому

    Cody is the G, thank you Mr. Terry

  • @Gingerrity
    @Gingerrity Місяць тому

    I hope you could react to Battle of Midway 1942 by Montemayor. Love your videos ❤❤

  • @SiddharthKishan-wo2gg
    @SiddharthKishan-wo2gg Місяць тому

    Mr. Terry what did you think of Leon Trotsky? Do you think his idea of permanent revolution would work?

    • @Poctyk
      @Poctyk Місяць тому

      For me it seems like permanent terrorism of ISIS. At some point established powers would have enough and bring war to you.
      As much as I hate to admit it, Stalin's idea of creating an army-state and then trying to capture industrial heartlands of continental Europe and go from there is more sound approach. He failed in our timeline, (well except for Bohemia) but what if, for example, the war began with a breakdown of Munich conference?

  • @JDFrank20Diaz
    @JDFrank20Diaz Місяць тому +10

    I would go as far as 1910 to change everything for fhe better

    • @hesamrazavi5755
      @hesamrazavi5755 Місяць тому +5

      You mean to keep Romanof in power?

    • @jjquinn295
      @jjquinn295 Місяць тому +6

      ​@@hesamrazavi5755Or somehow get more power to the Duma

    • @hesamrazavi5755
      @hesamrazavi5755 Місяць тому +2

      @@jjquinn295 interesting 🤔 not a bad idea

    • @ale-xsantos1078
      @ale-xsantos1078 Місяць тому

      Too little too late
      Why not go further?
      You prevent the fall of the european empires or avoid their existence altogether
      Prevent the discovery of America or give Cortez rifles
      Destroy the Mongol Empire or help Gengis Khan unite the world
      Destroy the Roman Empire or help it industrialize
      How about Ancient Egypt, China, the Bronze Age Collapse? Troy and Israel?
      You can go so further back, why would you settle for changing so little...

  • @bigman9854
    @bigman9854 Місяць тому +1

    There might have been one of the first anarchist zones ever with Makhno in Ukraine

  • @Thehotalings804
    @Thehotalings804 Місяць тому +1

    Unsolicited advice so do with it as you please, don’t apologize for your pets being pets, feature them being the goodest of puppers (in this case).

  • @johnnamorton6744
    @johnnamorton6744 Місяць тому

    Its important to remember that parts of the royal family did survive as did the prime minister of Russia (who was snuck out in an American Automobile) ...
    I really don't see the whites winning (the faction not some race) they did get within 10 miles of the royal family but assuming they survived I don't see the people taking them back. The royal family was kinda done at that point.
    Even if the Whites won in 1919 there would have been another inevitable collapse, this wasn't the first revolution. The great depression would have hit and collapse.
    Not talked about here Hoover's 1927 trip to Russia with Wilkie and Roosevelt. Each took away something different.

  • @tommyhallum2054
    @tommyhallum2054 Місяць тому

    I would like to see a "what if the United States never formed".

  • @charlesmaurer6214
    @charlesmaurer6214 Місяць тому

    Without the revolution I think the son would have died young and one of daughters would have been married to another imported Polish Prince to rule. Perhaps someone else but with a quiet check to avoid the curse of hemophilia, when Germany moved on Poland, Russian forces would back Poland from the start and not weakened by a divided military leadership. Perhaps you would see a shift towards a Constitutional Monarch with the heir and knowledge of English and French history to lessen internal issues.

  • @juancamilo0928
    @juancamilo0928 Місяць тому

    can you react to the alternate history of hoi4 tno

  • @tabathacarruthers5122
    @tabathacarruthers5122 Місяць тому +1

    Maybe could've prevented the killing of the entire Russian king's family?

  • @laurencewinch-furness9450
    @laurencewinch-furness9450 Місяць тому

    I think this alternate timeline underestimates the other revolutionary groups. Without Lenin, I think the left SRs would have led a coup against the provisional government and likely invited the bolsheviks and mensheviks into coalition. I would forsee hardliners from all three groups banding together and gradually taking over; forming a regime that would be deeply authoritarian but not quite as totalitarian as the Soviet Union of our timeline.

  • @ShearDouchbaggery
    @ShearDouchbaggery Місяць тому +5

    Obligatory comment for the algorithm

    • @MrTerry
      @MrTerry  Місяць тому +4

      Thank you! Every comment helps!

    • @ShearDouchbaggery
      @ShearDouchbaggery Місяць тому +1

      @@MrTerry no worries 👍 I would imagine as a teacher this affords you the ability to do what you already love for some much needed secondary income, and a video for school days when needed 😉

  • @tommyhallum2054
    @tommyhallum2054 Місяць тому

    "Fah Nà Mah Nà" bah bah bah bah...

  • @johnnamorton6744
    @johnnamorton6744 Місяць тому

    One thing I gotta point out here cause ya'll are disn him way to much. Trotsky was a genius in battle. He would drop into one place on the train, win, and pull out before he took to many losses. Trotsky won a war of attritional gains, starvation, and Besiegment. He sucked as a civil leader.
    Russian Civil war was 3 years long. WWI had ended the civil war was just heating up.

  • @flavor_text8757
    @flavor_text8757 Місяць тому +13

    This is one of the more poorly made videos ive seen from Cody, I wonder if he’s burnt out or something

    • @constructking8850
      @constructking8850 Місяць тому +1

      He released a much better version

    • @flavor_text8757
      @flavor_text8757 Місяць тому

      I’ve watched the reuploaded version

    • @Longshanks1690
      @Longshanks1690 Місяць тому +1

      I think if he’s plugging Outremer in the middle of his other videos, you know what his actual focus is. 😂
      I don’t think he’s burnt out, his last Chernobyl video was quite good. But he just phoned this is cos he was focusing on other things clearly.

    • @Nostripe361
      @Nostripe361 Місяць тому +3

      @@Longshanks1690this also feels like he tried to hard to make it different from irl. I feel that even without Lenin the whites chances of winning are quite low. At best they could achieve a balkanized Russia

  • @jamespyle777
    @jamespyle777 Місяць тому

    Just like war, Russia never changes.

  • @electricangel4488
    @electricangel4488 Місяць тому

    Trotski was the main bolshivik and a big menschivik. He is also the student of istra lenin. So he has a lot of clout. But he also isnt liked.

  • @darkbrightnorth
    @darkbrightnorth Місяць тому

    There would still be an Armenian genocide, the ottomans and Azerbaijan would be doing that in and outside of Russia no matter the timeline. They are still doing that in 2024

  • @CrimsonIsDevious
    @CrimsonIsDevious Місяць тому

    Second

  • @TheClocktowerCrew
    @TheClocktowerCrew Місяць тому

    first

    • @morsch2028
      @morsch2028 Місяць тому

      Mr. Terry himself was first smh.